#A Lancer's Guide to the Bến Hải Parallel

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twin patrol
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Refer to this for project status: #1082004981965668422 message

A Lancer 3rd party homebrew supplement exploring what lies beyond the Bến Hải Parallel, a host of recently rediscovered colonies who's nearest blinkgate mysteriously stopped working. With the lag of nearlight travel Union influence has been slowed with these reclusive colonies on the fringe of Union space. Lancers, it's time to venture forth and see what mysterious are beyond the Parallel!

You can find the master beta doc here!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gi4c3njBECUvfFHo2Nmiann89F8SXIC-d4AK8BeNbu4/edit?usp=sharing

And most current .lcp here https://drive.google.com/file/d/13UJwfIgnCLQKqpieRj4MmGbZEMx0JANs/view?usp=share_link

fresh musk
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Lancers*
I'll have to take a look at this.

twin patrol
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RIP me

fresh musk
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I just mean here, no worries

twin patrol
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Oh ok fixed

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EZ

coral hawk
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Is the emblem a fox or a wolf, out of curiosity?

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(Or “other” lol)

twin patrol
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It's a wolf, I made it a long time ago so I visual accessibility was something I didn't know

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I might change it to something more visually clear later down the line.

coral hawk
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And is this primarily a player supplement or will there be GM resources too?

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(I guess I should check the tags lol)

twin patrol
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Mechs for players, setting for GM with a potential for NPCs (TBD)

cobalt kernel
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Oh is this a sevens third party pog?

twin patrol
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Ye ye

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It's my little break from DGS

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~~Little break is 12 licenses and 4 alt frames 🙃 ~~

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I'll be using this place sort of like a timeline for the progress of the supplement and well a forum for anyone interested

cobalt kernel
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Woo

fresh musk
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alright, Quang Binh time
first note: cool lizard

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second note: it gets a free brace* every round

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revised second note: sometimes

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I don't think this is unreasonable, but I would personally recommend making it a reaction to make it more in line with something like the Black Witch.

twin patrol
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Oh right that makes sense

fresh musk
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Also wording nitpick on Reactive Plasma Field, it isn't currently voluntary as written. I assume it's supposed to be.

twin patrol
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Originally the reactive plasma field used to have a clause it you needed to clear all heat or exceed to use but some said it would rely too much on stabilize

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Yes voluntary

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Is this better wording?

alpine adder
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OTOH the Heat Exchanger Turrets do tend to encourage OC looping on it, also are you intended to be able to attack the same target multiple times with them?

twin patrol
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Yes

alpine adder
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To match up with other multiattacking weapons I would add that to the description of them

twin patrol
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Ideally since this is a Sherman alt, the player would have access to be able to stabilize basically every turn as a quick or asura

fresh musk
# twin patrol Is this better wording?

ehhhhhh
I'd probably word it more like "1/round when you are benefitting from cover and are attacked, then you may convert the damage to energy as a reaction"
Fiddling with it a bit to account for personal taste ofc.

fresh musk
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Tiger-Hunters

twin patrol
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I don't remember if there's something similar in core I use steal wording from

fresh musk
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I don't see how the new wording doesn't read the same.

twin patrol
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Hmm that's true

alpine adder
twin patrol
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Ah yes that's perfect, thank you

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Is this better?

alpine adder
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I think so, makes it clear how it is supposed to work

twin patrol
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I don't know if hit is appropriate or if it should be just attacked

alpine adder
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Is it being bypassed by Seeking weapons intentional?

twin patrol
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That is a good point I did not think about.

alpine adder
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Also is it intended to require you to be in cover, or just benefiting from cover (eg from Skirmisher 1 etc)?

twin patrol
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Originally it was in cover, but I changed it to benefitting from so like say smoke grenades would do it.

alpine adder
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Smoke Grenades do provide actual zones of cover, like you can hide in the cloud from them but not hide with the soft cover from Skirmisher 1 or hard cover from being behind an ally with Guardian

fresh musk
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attacks don't benefit from cover

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fresh musk
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the wording would probably be "affected by cover" tbh

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whenever an attack is affected by cover

twin patrol
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I'll change it to affected by cover

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If that's everything for now, thank you two for the feedback, I will make those changes shortly and I very much appreciate it

alpine adder
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Just cooked up a quick OC-Looping based Quang Binh build

[ LICENSES ]
  HA SHERMAN 2, IPS-N RALEIGH 2, HORUS BALOR 2
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Crack Shot 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Walking Armory 2, Siege Specialist 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:23 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:11 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Heat Exchanger Turrets
  FLEX MOUNT: Assault Rifle
  MAIN MOUNT: Rocket-Propelled Grenade
  HEAVY MOUNT: Anti-Materiel Rifle (Nanocomposite Adaptation) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  “Roland” Chamber, Type-3 Projected Shield, Pattern-A Smoke Charges x5```
Tosses 4-6d6 damage Seeking AMR shots every round while additionally peppering the enemies with Heat Exchanger Turret shots with various fun options from Walking Armory, and inching around the battlefield using Siege Spec even while immobilised from Crack Shot
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I intentionally avoided giving it RSU as it is already doing better than barraging normally once the OC die gets spun up

twin patrol
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Did you say 4 shots? Doesn't Ordnance prevent that

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Oh or do you mean it's anywhere between 4d6 and 6d6

alpine adder
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Yeah, as it depends if its getting into the Danger Zone and while steadying its aim with Crack Shot can get bonus damage on a crit

twin patrol
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It's nice to see you got a build out of it so early

alpine adder
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If I get inspired I am pretty good at coming up with builds quickly, and this is a modification of a Sherman build that I have been batting around for a while

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The turrets make the Quang Binh a really strong OC-Looper, but the same is true of the Sherman with its BFLaser

twin patrol
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Yea I sort of took inspiration from Raleigh's Mjolnir.

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I'm uncertain about the damage being high but so far no one's complained. Originally it was 1 energy + 1 heat, and I thought about it just being 2 energy

alpine adder
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Given that the Solidcore is 1-4d6 and a line its not exactly less damage

alpine adder
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More bursty than the QB though

twin patrol
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QB?

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Ah the quang binh

coral hawk
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Das a lotta shields

twin patrol
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It's actually invisibility cloaking paneling 😉

alpine adder
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Cooked up another Quang Binh build for fun, this one with a Howitzer that knocks targets prone, then has a bunch of free attacks with the Heat Exchanger Turrets and two Autoguns, potentially delivers up to 5 heat on a single target with Nuc Cav and the turrets, and with Siege Spec and Skirmisher is pretty speedy too

[ LICENSES ]
  HA SHERMAN 2, IPS-N RALEIGH 2, HORUS PEGASUS 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Overpower Caliber, Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ TALENTS ]
  Siege Specialist 3, Leader 3, Nuclear Cavalier 2, Skirmisher 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:5
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:26 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:12 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:-1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:3 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Heat Exchanger Turrets
  FLEX MOUNT: Autogun
  MAIN MOUNT: Autogun
  HEAVY MOUNT: Howitzer // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  “Roland” Chamber, Pattern-A Smoke Charges x5, Type-3 Projected Shield, Personalizations```
twin patrol
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Oh that's a wild build

alpine adder
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Thanks, and I am considering whether Open Door might be a better choice than OpCal for more prones and even more heat

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alpine adder
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Interesting

cobalt kernel
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The mech shoes the mech shoes

twin patrol
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They're real Jordans

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alpine adder
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It is certainly awesome looking, and the concept is a neat one

twin patrol
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Thanks, it's a bit of a struggle to think of stuff for the license but it's going

alpine adder
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Lots of burniation?

twin patrol
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I have another burn mech in progress, I think this might be a heat gunner/hacker?

cobalt kernel
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👀👀👀👀

twin patrol
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Sneak peek for the Hungry Ghost Goblin alt frame

alpine adder
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Interesting, so what does it do?

twin patrol
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It's a melee Goblin

cobalt kernel
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Oh fascinating

odd hull
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really putting that goblin energy to use

hollow niche
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Not to be nitpicking, but where's the pilot?

alpine adder
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They were delicious

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That or its a Size 1 frame or borrowing tricks from a Minotaur and is bigger on the inside

cobalt kernel
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scrunched up

twin patrol
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It is a size 1

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And pilot gets eaten and becomes a ghost to pilot it

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They ded

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Or the real anwwer is they're shrimp sitting in the torso

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Worth the back pain

odd hull
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that is sick

twin patrol
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Thanks, LyreonArt, the artist, knocked it out of the park with this one

cobalt kernel
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they really did

alpine adder
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Yup, definitely ate the pilot

twin patrol
alpine adder
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Exactly

alpine adder
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And I am thinking that it could do entertainingly nasty things with a Dev-A Dagger from the HORUS Rakasha from #1059732032659390544

twin patrol
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Oh what does that do?

twin patrol
alpine adder
twin patrol
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Oh similar concept

twin patrol
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In case anyone following is interested i'm running a playtest tonight at <t:1680220800:F> for Ben Hai stuff and there's 2 slots open

odd hull
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how long would it take?

twin patrol
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2-3.5 hours

odd hull
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yeah sure

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should note I'm not a lancer pro though (I've only played as a player 2 times thus far)

twin patrol
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No worries if you got the basics down I can help you learn. Just send me a comp/con pilot code

alpine adder
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Havign different levels of skill for playtests is important

odd hull
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alright then!

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what LL should I build for?

twin patrol
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3

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You're welcome to use any upcoming 1st party stuff or Ben Hai you'd like to playtest. We got a Ly Ke so far

odd hull
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ok, well I've had my eye on the ma doi previously, so I'll go with that

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I take it pilot stuff isn't really important?

twin patrol
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No not really, there won't be any narrative. Going straight into combat

twin patrol
twin patrol
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Actually new redesign

twin patrol
twin patrol
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Secret early sneak peak for you peeps 😉

cobalt kernel
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Ooo that’s good

twin patrol
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It's been quiet. Psst I got a sketch of an NPC and her Huy mech

alpine adder
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Neat

cobalt kernel
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OOOO

twin patrol
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More WIP's exclusive to this channel

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Look at the expression on this as of yet unnamed NPC

odd hull
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neat

twin patrol
odd hull
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(art is also very cool)

twin patrol
fresh musk
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Damn, this is making some progress. Feels like I check out this channel every day and there's a new mech or art

twin patrol
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Thanks, a lot of this was a remake of homebrew I had years ago that's been redone but the art is all LyreonArt who's been working like a machine on these pieces. I'd highly recommend them for a commission if you've got a project

alpine adder
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I am not sure quite what the first line of the Legion Class NHP is going for, especially as reducing LOS to just adjacent spaces is rather crippling even for a melee specialist. Also is it intended to give the mech the AI tag letting you hand control over to it or not?

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twin patrol
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Another piece out so soon? Thanks to our artists LyreonArt and MagnusTheMage on twitter (they're both very nice to work with i'd keep them in mind for commissions)

But this time it's an NPC! Her name is Anh, ace pilot and a hero of the Ben Hai Parallel

rancid solar
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We're only opening up a tiny portal, not even like half a foot in diameter, on the surface of the star, and directing the other end TO YOUR FACE

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It's only 6000 degrees Kelven, blasting through a hole in reality at RA knows what pounds per square inch of pressure.

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God I love Lancer

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round crow
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Can the Thu eat drones?

twin patrol
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That's a good question, depends if drones leave wrecks

coral hawk
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They don’t; core book p. 82 says “destroyed mechs become wreckage” (emphasis mine)

round crow
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damn, i was hoping for a wacky "my drones are food, not friends" build

mild gyro
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Pkay weird lore question
Does being inside the thu, does it feel like flesh inside? Metal?

Does its outside feel like fur? Hyper thin wires/metal fibers?

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What does being a thu pilot or working on a thu feel like? What is the experience like?

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How does one get inside? this one is in the doc and i missed ot

twin patrol
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It's a metal cage cockpit attached to an endoskeleton of it's ribcage.

As for other details I leave it kind of vague to allow leeway for personalization but based on the art the fur is a soft metallic fiber. Piloting it is less like controlling a vehicle but riding a horse where you direct it an give general suggestions but with your pilots nerve interface and you're inside it

mild gyro
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Huhhhh neat

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Thats super duper cool, thank you 💚

twin patrol
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Not done in doc but art is done, the Linh, drone swarm

alpine adder
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Neat

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I shall look forward to it being in the doc

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BTW you should request the first message for this thread be pinned for easy access to the doc

twin patrol
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We're almost there in terms of artwork being completed.

brave hinge
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holy fuck that's so good

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what mech is that?

twin patrol
mild gyro
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Y ES its pinned

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I was 100% willing to scroll every time however

twin patrol
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Aw thanks

brave hinge
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tbh all the designs are so baller

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but my favorites gotta be the thu and the co quam

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like i cant even imagine them looking like anything else they're just so on point i feel like

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also i love the fact you can just point at someone and send them to the void LOL

twin patrol
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Oh wait until you see the newest one the Rong (dragon) I'd say its the most baller piece yet

twin patrol
brave hinge
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it's so goofy i love it

brave hinge
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every one of these r so damn cool

twin patrol
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A sneak peek at the new art for the Rong, the dragon mech.

round crow
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yooooooooooooo

twin patrol
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Magnus destroyed my expectations with this one. Highly recommend them for commissions

mild gyro
twin patrol
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I haven't committed yet but the 4 holy beast mechs use a specialized chitinous metal like substance that is grown in vats and subjected to forced evolution processes to selectively "breed" batches of the metals with the best properties.

mild gyro
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Fascinating

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So they aren't metal per se but they are this organic metal like material that's being Mass farmed

twin patrol
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Yea gives the mech more organic shapes, but it's an rare material as the process of dedicated resources to cull batches and select the right ones over time is labor intensive and time consuming. Folks in the Ben Hai Parallel still makes many of it mechs without printers

mild gyro
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That's really really cool

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If I may, its scratching a digimon fan itch for me, since some digimon have that natural digichrome material in their scales (which likely takes from similar inspos from different asian mythology )

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Also like, hardcore hits my love for speculative evolution, its so cool

brave hinge
mild gyro
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was thinking about this recently! hows it been going?

twin patrol
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Oh I'm just waiting for 2 more pieces for the last 2 mechs

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Then I'll work on the PDF and it'll be out for a beta phase

mild gyro
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ooo neat!! heck yea

twin patrol
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Yea I think it's just the 12 licensed frames and 4 alt frames I have planned and that'll be it

twin patrol
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Just 2 more holy beast mechs and we're ready to go

brave hinge
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HUAHAUDSHAUHAWAHAAWAAAAA

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im sorry

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i mean to say

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I love this so much.

opaque pebble
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the icp ain't working

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how do I get it toooo work...

twin patrol
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Is it not working in comp/con?

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Does it not show up at all or have issues uploading?

opaque pebble
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I tried doing it

twin patrol
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Do you have a screenshot of what doesn't work

keen cedar
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Is the most recent LCP 1.18?

twin patrol
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I think so

keen cedar
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I'm getting a error when downloading the LCP from the G Drive link both in the G Doc and in the pins and so I'm going to tweak my browser settings and report back
e: As usual, the problem was NoScript being too aggressive, haha

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1.18 LCP seems to be installed fine on my end, 4 alt frames and 6 frame frames showing up just fine

twin patrol
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Yea I think that's correct, that's how many are tested so far

keen cedar
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I've been meaning to get a homebrew crew together to stress test the BH frames and September's probably looking good for a short shot so if anything in particular needs a kick in the can just let me know

twin patrol
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I'll take you up on that offer

mild gyro
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Was rereading all the lore and its all so cool

twin patrol
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Aw thank you, I've taken a little break and need to redo the lore at some point

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Very tempted to add just 4 more mechs even though there's a small queue of mechs that need playtesting but more art!

oak mural
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The naming pattern are just so literal but in Vietnamese. Tuyệt vời! XD

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This is an awesome supplement. The lore and design really does a beautiful job highlighting all the various parts of Vietnamese culture and mytho (with Magic robot)

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And the art? They are godly

twin patrol
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mild gyro
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checking in on this 👀 , seeing if theres any updates

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the work done on it so far is all so good 🥺

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if i remember, only 2 of the mechs dont have art now, right?

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does the company have any core bonuses yet? or are we still lacking those ?

twin patrol
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Well sincey ou asked...

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A little sneak peek at the next mech, originally 1 left but I kind of scope creeped 4 more mechs and planning on having 4 alt frames and 16 mechs between 2 different manufacturers with 8 mechs each

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So that'd be double the core bonuses once I figure those out, that's the trickest part

mild gyro
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this is another one of those mechs who dont look like mechs, but are still made of a mix of machine, and those unique hand made resources of Ben Hai right?

twin patrol
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Yup that's the 3 of 4 holy beast mechs. Without printers are incredibly expensive and meticulously crafted/grown reserved for VIPs in one of the faction's society

mild gyro
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what are each one made of?

twin patrol
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They are a bit impractical in form for combat considering the cost but they're meant more as figureheads for ceremonies and their combat capabilities are secondary coincidences

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They're all made of the same vat grown biochitins of various qualities. This phoenix one in particular does have heat resistant synthetic feathers and more fragile but still flexible heat hesistant yet to be named special chitin material

mild gyro
oak mural
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"machine spirit"

twin patrol
mild gyro
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(also this is all so cool :0 )

twin patrol
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No worries, but yea the unnamed biochitin is a broader term for flash cloned vat grown organic materials for mechs usually made of chitin like substance and depending on composition or process it can be what it needs to be aesthetically while being durable for a mech exterior

mild gyro
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Fascinating.

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Genuinely i love this kinda stuff

twin patrol
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Thanks I appreciate the enthusiasm.

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Questions gets the brain juices flowing and helps me come up with more stuff. Unnamed biochitin is representative of the new Hoa Sen faction/manufacturer. A bunch of rich young clones of a recently deceased ruler that each rule a planet/colony and they're incredibly wasteful but produce some of the most unique things like biochitin

granite knot
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keep reading biochitin as bitcoin

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fully curséd

twin patrol
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Back to the bitcoin mines for you

granite knot
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it's what I deserve, honestly

twin ether
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it's Lê Lợi btw

granite knot
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hey there, question about the LÝ KẾ and its SLIDE DASH trait - 1. the sentence is kinda badly formatted, I'm not sure if I am having issues with reading comprehension or if it is grammatically wrong; which leads me to 2. "move up to your remaining speed in a straight line" - ok, that seems pretty clear, but does this consume the remaining movement? and "after an attack during a barrage" - I don't really understand what to make of this. barrage is a full action attack, so what does after an attack during a barrage actually means?

twin patrol
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Yes to both

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Oh and it's when you take the barrage action then make an attack as part of the barrage then you can move

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Normally you can't move in between multiple attacks with a barrage

granite knot
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aaahh, now I see

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the sentence might still benefit from a reformat - though it might just be my broken-ass brain that's struggled with it

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and the frame is a size 2? quite a buff up for the old nelson

twin patrol
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Less likely to find cover but less likely to be grappled it seems like a tradeoff

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The artists are working faster than I can keep up

twin patrol
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Almost new year, new art, and almost time for me to start playtesting again, if you're interested in joining one combat one shots let me know!

mild gyro
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👀 ohhhh good art

mild gyro
twin patrol
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It's a yet to be implemented mech, part of the 16 full frames licenses

mild gyro
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ohhh neat

twin patrol
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I decided on 4 alt frames and 2 separate manufacturers with 8 frames each

mild gyro
twin patrol
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Oh you're right, I forgot to include tha

mild gyro
twin patrol
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Yup

mild gyro
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neat

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love me some more content

twin patrol
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Good news i'm getting back into it next year

mild gyro
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guessing all the handmade, mech-chitin ones are Nokor?

twin patrol
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It should be the opposite, Hoa Sen should have the biochitin mechs.

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I very much have not updated a lot of the documets

mild gyro
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fair, fair

twin patrol
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I do appreciate the attention, it helps me keep track of what I need to update and fix

twin patrol
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Would anyone be interested in collaborating on this project? Preferably someone who likes to bounce ideas back and forth

fresh musk
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Maybe, but we've got a lot of our own stuff that we're prioritizing.

twin patrol
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No worries, it's kind of a long shot asking like this

oak mural
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I am Vietnamese too, but I do not know if I can set out the commitment, I have been following this for quite a while though.

twin patrol
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Oh nice, no worries any help would be nice even if it's small. My Vietnamese is not the best

oak mural
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I suppose I can take on the offer depend on what it is

knotty socket
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i hope this goes far i love the designs sm

twin patrol
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Thanks i'm currently doing playtests cause the artists outpaced the playtests

knotty socket
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also vietnamese but I'm hella out of touch with my heritage

twin patrol
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Oh nice good to hear it's attracting Vietnamese folks, I'm also fairly out of touch as my parents weren't the most religious or interesting in history so I tend to try to research online for references

oak mural
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Guess that make 3 of us. Cough cough.

knotty socket
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still exciting to get any seasia rep at all

oak mural
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Absolutely agree

twin patrol
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That's also a bonus, i've never seen like Vietnam in western media outside of Vietnam War stuff which often focuses on the American side

oak mural
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Agree, it is truly saddening

rancid solar
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Hey, it's been a little bit since I've seen any updates here, just wondering how all it's going, because I was really digging the concepts going on here.

twin patrol
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Hi it's some life stuff that's gotten in the way of things, mostly not able to run enough playtests for balancing new stuff in the works.

rancid solar
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Oof, that's rough. Well hopefully that'll sort itself out.

hot pollen
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Hey! I hope life vibes are feeling a bit better, just got told by an interested friend looking at lancer content that they are super excited for the art depiction, ruleset and general vibes of this Lancer Guide! Also if you're still looking for one-shot combat people to help balance, count me as interested! (Obviously no worries if life things are still a bit rough, self-care comes first 😄 )

mild gyro
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hey, was curious how your lifes been holding up, i know last time you said a lot was going on a while ago, a few month s ago

mild gyro
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its totally fine if you havent been able to work on it - i just suddenly remembered the company and remembered you said things had gotten in the way of stuff a while back

bitter zenith
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I was too late it seems 🥀

twin patrol
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Hello, im sorry for the last of updates life slipped from me and this project fell into the corner but I have moved on from the project as ttrpg game design is not for me. Particularly balancing/playtesting i've completely lost interest in doing those and without those I don't feel like I would want to throw out half baked homebrew.

If anyone wants to continue the project on my behalf or see some of the documents, unused art, etc for inspiration with your own works let me now here or via DMs

worthy garden
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that is absolutely heartbreaking to hear!
that said ofc, if you've lost interest in it, theres no shame in letting it lie

twin patrol
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Thanks, yea I definitely bit off more than I could chew and got burned out having to do everything alone

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Also anyone in this thread, feel free to ping me for responses

mild gyro
twin patrol
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Thanks for the concern! Luckily nothing that drastic

void thistle
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is there any way to still have acess to the lcp? o was very interested on the project.

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and sadly founded it too late to grab anything

twin patrol
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Unfortunately I don't have it anymore

void thistle
late rivet