game-balance

[tawdry tapir]

win

in

zombs

if

you

do

join

me

wake up in the morning i got murder on my mind

[grave valley]

AK47, MAC-11, Glocks, and 9's

[tawdry tapir]

YOOOOO

THIS KID KNOWS THE SONG

[spark tendon]

tf

[cobalt zephyr]

And all these pu*sy nibbas hating tryna knock me off my grind

@tawdry tapir

[ruby cloak]

Best not to do that in #game-balance

[modern shard]

I got murder on my mind

[shadow moss]

I got murder on my mind

Hey can yall remove the p-90 its such a spaming gun wen i play a scrim or something someone had a p-90 a lays we like in not even a sec wtf vault it

[formal field]

unlegendary noob,

P90 or vector

[frail wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-shrek-pussinboots-gif-10009894

[junior echo]

-bal

~bal

[cobalt zephyr]

hey

supp

[stable axle]

i find myself barely using p90.

when it first was added everyone was using it, new gun, duh

[cobalt zephyr]

hey dude

[stable axle]

but as time went on i just dont know stopped usin it

whats up

[cobalt zephyr]

good u?

[stable axle]

what?

[cobalt zephyr]

how are u?

[stable axle]

doin ok. im sick rn. sucks

[cobalt zephyr]

ho oof

[rich rover]

REMOVE THE P90

ITS JUST TRASH

ACUALLY TRASH

[cobalt zephyr]

wassup

[ruby cloak]

@rich rover If, by your logic, trash weapons should be vaulted, then pistols and Flamethrowers and common uncommon varieties of every weapon and tactical shotgun and miniguns and snowballs would be removed.

[rich rover]

Then so be it.

There all bad anyway

Waste of space

[ruby cloak]

Just because its bad doesnt mean it should be gotten rid of

thats like saying "kill all the homeless people and only let the rich live so economy will thrive". like, why??

without bad weapons, the good ones wont be good anymore

also, some weapons are needed to assist noobs.

[rich rover]

Tbh it's nothing like that I'm saying I dislike the weapon and it's my opinion

So stop judging me over how I likenir dislike the P90

@ruby cloak

[ruby cloak]

I’m not judging you lol

Just saying, the devs aren’t gonna vault it

[rich rover]

Well they should

Cause the weapon is TRASH

And always will be

Forever

TRASH WEAPON

[ruby cloak]

I just gave you the reason why the devs said they aren’t gonna vault bad weapons, then you say that I’m judging you and continue to argue that it should be vaulted

[rich rover]

TRASHHHHH

0_0

[ruby cloak]

Anyways bye

[rich rover]

TRASH

#VAULTP90

People just spray with it

*REMOVE IT

IT IS ACTUAL TRASHHHHH

[warped thunder]

And you are a Actual Nuisance

[ruby cloak]

lol

[grave valley]

if its so TrASh then why complain about it, the reason why bad weapons exist is because you need to balance out the good from the bad, thats the entire freaking point of a battle royale, if you get rid of all the bad weapons, then there will be no balance to the weapon pool and no good weapon will be good

here is an example, you have multiple businesses that do the same thing, if you eliminate the rest of the competition, then all the demand is going to fall on one business and there isnt going to be any competition which if you know anything about capitalism and economics, thats really bad, but by having competition, this sets up a healthy market and economy that boosts business, same for the games weapon pool, you need to have a good balance of good and bad weapons, if you eliminate all the bad weapons, then its basically socialism where everything is equal @rich rover

[ruby cloak]

Faccs

[rich rover]

@warped thunder and you're a irrelevant 8 year old who doesn't know his place.

🖕 @warped thunder

[ruby cloak]

Woah there....

[woven oasis]

this chat is so cursed

should I revive the tier list

I need to add grapple and turret

I'm thinking B for turret (until it gets buffed) and A- for grapple purely because it takes up one entire freaking airdrop

I'd put grapple higher its just UGH

[tawdry tapir]

your autistic

you play zombs royale

YOU BECOME A PRO

you tell people youre autistic

they dont believe you.

anything is possible.

just BELIEVE in yourself.

as you can see, an autistic person became a PRO at zombs royale,

just because, he BELIEVED in himself.

[grave valley]

@woven oasis hows that tier list goin?

[rich rover]

@warped thunder 🖕

[grave valley]

@rich rover dude chill man

[rich rover]

No

[grave valley]

why?

can we all have opinions

[rich rover]

Ik

But he is irrelevant

He is dumb

He is a 8 year old who is irrelevant

[grave valley]

well, hes just sayin that ur maybe being a little irrational with your statement that the p90 should be vaulted

[rich rover]

I think were talkin about different people here

[grave valley]

no, still talking about auditor

[rich rover]

Ok then he's still dumb

Fantastic grammar bud

"sarcasm"

Such a great thing.

[grave valley]

he knows

lmao

[rich rover]

ಠ_ಠ

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[grave valley]

alert, alert, grammar police incoming, get down!

[rich rover]

Auditor is still dumb tho

Like actually dumb

┗(•ˇ_ˇ•)―→is dumb @warped thunder

[grave valley]

well, no need to get salty about, getting called a nuisance is nothing

lmao

[rich rover]

Nah not salty

I'm just a trolly person

@cobalt zephyr well if he's telling the truth shouldn't as well?

If so you're an insignificant dumbass who doesn't know his place and your also irrelevant

◉‿◉

[tribal seal]

ZEN | SL0THCL∆N#8103 has been warned

Reason: Zalgo usage

[grave valley]

well, maybe be a little less, you know out there with your statement and you know, maybe explaining yourself a little more without just spamming in all caps that the p90 trash and maybe your opinion will be respected more

[rich rover]

Lop

Lol

Ngl the P90 is to op all people do with it is spray

It's annoying

[grave valley]

too op, didnt you just say that it was a terrible weapon

[rich rover]

Yup

It's a terrible weapon cause all people do with it is spray

Which is to op

And should be removed from the game.

[grave valley]

i mean, if you are taking into perspective the entire competitive and pro community, then the p90 is very easy to counter and it isnt widely used as the most optimal close range weapon, which is the pump

[rich rover]

I don't usually use shotgun's

Cause it's a little to hard cause I'm on mobile

[grave valley]

its been the meta for the past couple of seasons

[rich rover]

Don't get me wrong the pump is good but....

[grave valley]

oh your mobile, well you should still try it, on pc, its either use a shotgun or die to a sweat

[rich rover]

If you miss your shots with it your finished

The thing is I don't have a pc

[grave valley]

which is why, most pros go for the pump, switch to ar combo

[rich rover]

Tbh I'll just stick with the reverse bolt combo

[grave valley]

or do reverse to impulse, thats very common too

yeah

lmao my bad, reverse to pump

[woven oasis]

@grave valley idk man, I don't have experience with turrets or grapple

I need other opinions or I'm just shooting at thin air

Wait that's not a phrase

Whatever

I'd put turret pretty high considering its basically a stationary knocked person that can shoot, and can create good distractions and reroutes

However, as its a one time use kind of thing and takes up an entire airdrop, it's pretty limited and niche

On one hand, it makes the player who has the turret have a sort of win-con
On the other, if it's misused or the enemy manages to destroy it, it's gone forever and its initial use becomes another empty slot in you inventory

So honestly, idk where to put it

It seems pretty good, but over time I think it'll die out like how snowballs were initially seen as really good, but as the meta adjusted it became outpowered

But it's a pretty good change and a huge meta shock

So yeah, I'm struggling

I'll just post the thing I guess

ZombsRoyale.io Guns Tier List (Unofficial)
Disclaimer: This list is not conclusive and is open to interpretation. Each weapon is compared with the same rarities of different guns of the same class.
S+ TIER
A cut above the S TIER weapons, purely by sheer power.
AWP
XM8
Pump Shotgun
Scoped M4
Silenced SMG
Silenced AR-15
S TIER
The most powerful and/or usable weapons in game.
AR-15
AK
UMP
Vector
Bolt-Action
Dragunov
Assault SCAR
Frag Grenades
Reverse Impulse Grenade
Impulse Grenade
Hybrid Potions
A TIER
Good substitutes for the S TIER weapons
M4
P90
Deagle
Gassy Grenade
Big Shield
Small Shields
Med Kit
A- TIER
Suitable substitute substitutes for the substitutes of S TIER... Basically, they're okay
XBow
RPG
Rubber Gun
Semi-Auto Sniper
Cactus Bomb
Goo Gun
Turret
Grapple Gun
B TIER
Not exactly the best, but can still hold their own in the hands of good players
Assault Shotgun
SCAR
MG36
MP5
Silenced Pistol
Bandages
C TIER
Hardly used, but still picked up and can act as decent early game weapons
Dual Barrettas
Tactical Shotgun
VSS
Crossbow
Snowman Grenade
Snowball
D TIER
Terrible weapons. It's used seriously by only the unprofessional.
Uzi
Flamethrower
Minigun
Glock
F TIER
Absolute garbage. Will not help you in almost any situation. Only use these weapons if you're toxic lmao
P2000
TommyGun
Grenade Launcher
Smoke Grenade

Let me know if I missed anything, or you think a weapon should be lower or higher. Keep in mind that this is not everyone's list, so your opinions may differ from mine. However, I will take into account all and any suggestions.
Contributors: ᶻAardvark YT, NoobG, {JP} Riptide (s p e e c h), aeon (stinky stonky), Davv, UnlegendaryNoob, It's Bro now, Bot Boi YT, Leadbraw (poop), a_, Jay Bot YT, Griffin, Chosen (pai), AWP | VENOM

-Changelog-
MG36 B TIER
Turret A- TIER
Grapple Gun A- TIER

funni

thanks for contributing

[dim hemlock]

I got aids reading your list

[cobalt zephyr]

pls help

[dim hemlock]

@warped thunder Hey, just relax.

[warped thunder]

I figured it would be best to stop and delete my comments

[dim hemlock]

Good job, if anyone does that to you again just don’t respond, ok?

[warped thunder]

Well,the problem has been solved

But first i like to thank Riptide and some of the others for helping me

[woven oasis]

@dim hemlock you wanna add on?

to the list

Or like modify it

I'm open

[languid basalt]

Silenced pistol in the right hands could be op, considering the almost ar range it has and damage

And accuracy

[woven oasis]

almost ar range and damage, half an ar's clip

I wonder if there's an AR in game

[warped thunder]

Theres no AR ingame obviously

[cobalt zephyr]

Hey

Pistols are not good makethem a little better

[warped thunder]

Nah

[grave valley]

nah

[ruby cloak]

How, though?

It’s an airdrop weapon, and at its current stats if you nerf anything it’ll be worse than a p90

Keep in mind that the vector is supposed to be the best close-range gun in the game

supposed to be, cuz some prefer shotguns

[pallid tapir]

Nerf bots

[cobalt zephyr]

Pump for more skilled players is better but for less skilled players or as a consistent weapon an SMG is better

A good player with a pump will kill a good player with an SMG

(Most times and is played right)

@woven oasis I respect your list but I COMPLETELY disagree with your F tier, smoke Grenada can be very effective is used right and the Tommy gun is a consistent and fairly accurate substitute for an AR. Also, how can you rank med items such as Medkit>bandages. I’m a heal off, 5 bandages will beat 1 medkit

[summer dew]

p2000 is at least a bit better, id pick it over an uzi- not over a pump (of corse) but its not terribe

[inner patio]

Glock is third best pistol

Deagle best

Goo gun second best

In my opinion at least

[ruby cloak]

If you're limited to pistols, then yeah/

[atomic shore]

is goo gun really a pistol...

[ruby cloak]

the game says yeah, but its not exactly one

technically the turrent is a grenade

technically the tommy gun isnt an AR

technically the vss isnt a sniper cuz it uses small ammo

[atomic shore]

just cuz it uses small doesnt make it a pistol lol

[rich rover]

I hate the P90

Like a lot

[lunar mirage]

Penis

[tawdry tapir]

#looking-for-group

[twin edge]

[woven oasis]

@cobalt zephyr smoke grenades are outclassed by every other grenade. i would have literally anything else over smoke grenades. sure theyre usable but every single other utility severely outclasses it to the point that it doesnt have much use.

and bandages take a longer time overall for less hp. its only good if youre at about 35hp.

heres some quick maths
one bandage = 2s
one medkit = 5s
to heal from 30hp to 75hp using bandies takes 3 bandages, so about 6s
to heal from 30hp to 100hp using medkit takes only 5 seconds

this makes the average heal rate of the bandages (from 30 to 75) about 7.5hp/s, while medkit is about 14hp/s

therefore medkit > bandies

tommygun is a personal grudge, dont question it

[cobalt zephyr]

uh

oh

kay

wait what

@woven oasis 2 second med kit you mad

[woven oasis]

my brain lagging hol up

[cobalt zephyr]

mm yes, a two second med kit

just heal from 1-100 in 2 second

But a bandage gets you from 1-21 in 2 seconds

bAnDaGe > mEdKiT

[woven oasis]

still medkit heal rate is x2 of bandies

yep

[cobalt zephyr]

@woven oasis Bandages are more relevant tho

Cuz like if you're on 55 you would use bandage not medkit

[woven oasis]

i would use medkit

if i had the choice

[cobalt zephyr]

Medkit can heal a max of 99

It doesn't heal 100

[woven oasis]

bandies only heal up to 75, thats a massive boon in itself

[cobalt zephyr]

:blink:

hybrids op

[woven oasis]

in order to get to max hp, youd have to use bandies in conjunction with either hybrids or medkit

so yeah, b tier

[cobalt zephyr]

@woven oasis how many slots you have for meds? 2?

normally

[grave valley]

@cobalt zephyr most pros tend to stick to 1 med slot as the other slot is for utilities like grenades and gasses so their loadout tends to look like this, AR Pump Sniper Utility Meds

[cobalt zephyr]

eh

[grave valley]

actually, im pretty sure if you play competitive, you will see grenades being thrown around 24/7, legit almost everybody keeps nades in their loadout, they are extremely useful if used skillfully

[warped thunder]

Its Utility Warfare in a nutshell

[spark tendon]

Lol

[lunar mirage]

Ree

[tribal seal]

Peter Arthur Chester#0659 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

Peter Arthur Chester#0659 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[lunar mirage]

[tribal seal]

Peter Arthur Chester#0659 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[ruby cloak]

Well, um, you’ve played yourself.

Can’t even beat MEE6

[balmy relic]

lol

[languid basalt]

F

[quiet basalt]

[crystal coral]

no

[spark tendon]

lol

[cobalt zephyr]

https://discordapp.com/channels/644954766497153027/649748296239284248

[ruby cloak]

Why tho

[kind frost]

why do bots get to open doors and hold them open when theyre nearby? its a pretty dumb system to incorporate in the game if theyre not going to actively enter the building, they just act as a hindrance towards other players

[pine pike]

Bots are for server starting times

To make it go to 85+ faster

For the game to start

[warped thunder]

It makes the game unfair

Is what i argue

[silver verge]

Fix lag and performance

[languid nymph]

Bots should be nerfed honestly you all know

[grave valley]

bots have:

bad aim

terrible weapons

bad strafing and movement

no shield

usually on low health

[kind frost]

bots be shooting me from off screen with ak and land every single hit

youre stating zomb bots when they got no weapon buddy

[tired hornet]

Bots have some nutty door macro

lmao

[spark tendon]

lmao

[olive bolt]

Lmao

When do we get door opening capabilities like that?

[wide estuary]

I would really like it if you were able to split meds with your teammate

An example would be that you are playing duos and you are both low on health

you have 2 med kits. You have no way of splitting these med kits so that you can both use medkits at the same time.

Instead, you have to wait for one person to finish using the medkit, then give the other person the remaining medkit to use

[grave valley]

@kind frost im pretty sure i said "terrible weapons" and "bad aim" so first of all you have to take into account the probability of a bot somehow getting an ak which is pretty rare

then you have to take into account its aim which doesnt take into account strafing and prediction which basically makes it useless against anyone who knows what strafing and moving is, and if they shoot you off screen then you are probably some mobile player, and also i dont see mobile players complaining about bots being op lmao

[lost fable]

Yo so

[lavish temple]

follow my soundcloud Kid Scarz i’m a very versatile artist and i do every genre

[kind frost]

well, @grave valley, the thing is that any weapon becomes good in a bot's possesion because of the fact that they can aim lock onto any player that they choose to aim lock onto. I don't know how the mechanics work exactly, but im sure that there is some variable distance which the bot is given that is used to signal how far away from the player to start shooting. This can be as close to the character as possible to the point where they walk up to the player then start shooting at melee distance, or start shooting off-screen, confusing the player if they start moving in the opposite direction of the bullets, only to have the shots keep coming accurate to the players position. Furthermore, bots don't stop shooting once they aim lock, and this aim lock is worsened by the fact that they are able to calculate movement error when shooting burst weapons instead of full auto weapons.
Despite the fact that an AK in a bots possesion is rare, this can be overlooked by weapons such as mp5 and ar15, some of the higher dps weapons on the weapon list. The only thing that downplays the fact that bots are OP is that the player can get them stuck on opposite walls and such because they don't have accurate AI systems to be able to take the correct path to take the path needed to reach their objective.
Another look at a common bot problem is that they seem to override priority for doors. This is observed mainly when bots pass by and open doors of houses from distances of 5-7 tiles. This allows them to shoot into houses that you may be hiding in, which further increases their effectivitiy if you are not able to close the door. Another disadvantage to them having priority on door mechanics is that they don't always go through the door; bots will stay in the general vicinity of the door, spamming around and not let any actual players close the door for whatever reason they deem necessary.

This is also observed in the zombies game mode in zombs. One of the older ways to outsmart this game mode was to hide in a corner inside of a house, taking advantage of the path-tracking mechanics of a bot to keep them outside the house. However, because of door opening mechanics, this loophole cant be used anymore. This, combined with the fact that zombies have a higher amount of speed and damage than players (regardless of whether it is night or not), make this game mode very short for those who are not able to gather the adequate weapons and ammo to combat zombies. In fact, from my personal experience, I find it that many players ignore fighting each other because the higher level threat are the zombies themselves. So yeah, bots can be OP in the game

[pastel solstice]

^ are you writing an essay

[dim hemlock]

“^ are you writing an essay”
Large paragraphs

[stone bolt]

buff the assault scar!!!

[atomic shore]

wow

nerf it if anything

[ruby cloak]

Well I think it’s okay the way it is. It’s a scar, so it’s worse than the other mythic ARs, but it’s still pretty powerful

Plus, the exploding bullets lets you spam much easier

[ruby cloak]

Nah they’re real bitty already

[thorny iron]

Add grey ar's i try to do a grey only challange and theres nothing

Add grey sniper 2

[tired thistle]

MELTED ICE PACK idea by @sly bloom

OUTFIT : Melted Monster / Worth : 120 Gems
BACKPACK : Icy Bucket / Worth : 100 Gems
MELEE : Melted Stick / Worth : 120 Gems
PARACHUTE : Air Bucket / Worth : 150 Gems

MELTED ICE PACK : Mythical Rarity / Worth : 490 Gems

CREDIT GOES TO: @sly bloom

[pastel solstice]

^ amazing

[tired thistle]

I think so as well ^^

[sly bloom]

Thanks

[grave valley]

@kind frost well gotta write a 5 paragraph essay then, dont expect me to finish my tangent by today

you know what imma right this on a google doc

wait is the limit 2000 characters or words?

[ruby cloak]

Riptide, why are you discussing your essay specifics with a discord gaming server

also if you make the essay 2000 words but only 5 paragraphs, then good luck cuz those paragraphs will start to look like run-ons lol

[vapid drum]

@tired thistle why is that skin cost more than other skins, when the art is, to put it nicely, mediocre, compared to what the devs make? This skin should be AT BEST an epic or MAYBEEEEE a legendary

[grave valley]

please, ive done many 5 paragraph essays close or more than 2000 words, this is gonna be a piece of cake

[vapid drum]

i like how thats in game balance.... @grave valley plz in offtopic lol

[grave valley]

but we are discussing about bots in this game and how they are bad

[atomic shore]

lmao, give grapple gun more usage

[grave valley]

well, ryuko thinks they are more troubling than they really are

[cobalt zephyr]

k

[vapid drum]

@cobalt zephyr 3d zombs .... yang did a vote on that and guess how that turned out

GL with getting that to happen lmao

[grave valley]

still be writing

[cobalt zephyr]

make grapple gun be used more

[grave valley]

also make it so that it isnt a weapon for the airdrop, make it something extra that you get from an airdrop, not the actual weapon

[woven oasis]

@grave valley up your game man, you have another speech writer

[grave valley]

@woven oasis nah, nobody is gonna top the one im writing, i have to write this one on a google doc, 2 paragraphs in, apparently writing about why bots are bad is more fun than i thought

[woven oasis]

Lmao

@tired thistle yeet I wanna draw that now

[tired thistle]

lol

[kind frost]

Bruh im boutta drop my PhD dissertation on why bots are bad

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[languid basalt]

Imagine having double grappling guns

[atomic shore]

can u grapple on to players?

[sacred jewel]

nerf the pistol lol

[ruby cloak]

#Nerfdoubleglock

[kind frost]

Grapple onto opp then one pump is the best thing to happen in game

[languid basalt]

Yes

[cobalt zephyr]

pog

[worthy girder]

nerf bots

there cheating and hacking into the games code to predict your movements they should be banned idk why you allowed them

(also buff vss please)

(and nerf ump+ silenced smg) (please buff silenced pistol thank and bye)

[woven oasis]

lmfao

[tired thistle]

@worthy girder nerf ump

[hardy dragon]

N E R F T H E U M P

[worthy girder]

@tired thistle nerf ump

[tired thistle]

@worthy girder Yeah I know I was making a joke lol

[worthy girder]

@tired thistle yeah I know I was making a joke lol

[tired thistle]

boi

[worthy girder]

boi

[nocturne dome]

boi

[hardy dragon]

boi

[left wagon]

boi

[woven oasis]

Chains are fun but not here

[summer dew]

lol

[cobalt zephyr]

TRUE

[cobalt zephyr]

make turret guns not rare, what i mean is ive been playing for a while and couldnt find it

[worthy girder]

air drop

[woven oasis]

the box really went 15... 14... 13... ... 3... 2... 1... YEET

[languid basalt]

@woven oasis r u part of our evee gang in ia private

[olive bolt]

We have assimilated

[worthy girder]

when are headshot multiplyer going to be added?

[floral haven]

Sub To OGTayYT

[crystal coral]

no

[worthy girder]

yes

ah yes, subbing to OGTayYT will make the game more balenced next we should vault the interact button

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[amber spindle]

nerf this guy

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[amber spindle]

too op

nerf will come this or next season lol

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[half raft]

Oof

[raw spear]

Oooooooof

oof

oof

gg

[ruby cloak]

@raw spear best delete your messages before some mod comes and mutes you

[raw spear]

Sorry

[ruby cloak]

np

[raw spear]

@ruby cloak wat betekent dat?

[shell beacon]

how do i play on discord?

[spark tendon]

Did you download discord?

First?

[shell beacon]

yes

[worthy girder]

make burst smg a thing

[cobalt zephyr]

исправте баланс сисек

[ruby cloak]

isnt that just an uzi

only that uzis are hecka bad

[hushed sail]

xd

[sleek drum]

fr what a moron

[worthy girder]

ikr why would you think the burst is a uzi? smh

[grave valley]

@worthy girder i can see where he is coming from, the uzi is technically a burst, when you click to shoot the uzi a 3 shot burst comes out

same for the ar 15, its technically a burst but since its firerate is so fast, most people think of it as an automatic weapon

the uzi just doesnt seem like a burst if you hear and look at it with just the slightest bit of attention you can see and hear each burst of the uzi coming out

[kind frost]

hey so i want to have a quick talk about impulse/reverse impulse grenades

[golden dove]

Go ahead

[kind frost]

What is the rule with impulse type grenades and walls? because i know a tactic you can use is throwing a reverse impulse to bring somebody in through a wall if they are standing on the opposite side of it. You can also use a normal impulse to go through a wall. furthermore, these type of grenades can bring players through windows, an ability that i wish could be given to the grapple gun (you can shoot and grapple onto something outside a window, but not go through window). however, something that i've been noticing is that there is an inconsistency with using impulse grenades. Ive mainly observed this when I throw an impulse against a wall that I know has a player on the other side. when the impulse detonates, it doesnt affect the player.

i dont think this is a correct game mechanic that should be in game. if reverse impulse can bring in a player from the opposite side of a wall, then an impulse should be able to do the opposite in the same siituation

[golden dove]

They r different Impulses push players while reverse drags players. For ur situation, throwing ur Impulse behind the player will push ur opponent into the building, from there, just use ur smg or pump to beat ur opponent

[kind frost]

thats not answering my question

youre talking about the uses

im talking about the mechanics

[strange kayak]

????

[worthy girder]

i dont have the patience to read that its 3am

[kind frost]

imma keep it real with you, if youre not gonna read it then dont reply man

[worthy girder]

thats fair im just stupid

you have inspired me

to study

to study your comment

so i will stay up studying your comment

untill i pass out trying

because you god damn deserve it

[golden dove]

[worthy girder]

ok imma keep it real with you if its not working your probably throughing them to far away

simple

also #questions

[kind frost]

i will return with footage showing that its not throwing them far away

i did an experiment in-game recently

[worthy girder]

ok see you tommr

[grave valley]

@kind frost thats just the way they were made, impulses just affect players when they are near but not through solid walls (not including windows), reverse impulses can affect players whether they are through walls or not because its main purpose is to pull people to the center of its pull radius

[cobalt zephyr]

if it is near to the corner for example, if a player hides behind a corner, even a bit, the impulse already does not affect him, that also works the same way with trees

[woven oasis]

@kind frost not a bug it's a FEATURE :DDDDDDDDDDD

Physics engine is ass

Didn't the ice physics tell you enoigh

visuals don't line up with the range, aoe is bugged

It's always like that

honestly this is why we need a performance patch

Along with minor bugfixes

you can't start adding new stuff if you don't fix the things you have

[cobalt zephyr]

For example, if i press Space i can enter from the window of a house to inside of house

• Sorry, My English is so bad

[spark tendon]

like jumping in the window?

[cobalt zephyr]

uh

actual?

that sounds epic

[upbeat raven]

nerf the goo gun

also bring back mythic shotguns

[spark tendon]

don't nerf goo gun

[coral crater]

Ya goo goo gun is fun

[kind frost]

aight hear me out yall

shuriken but theres no spread

ak but its full auto

turret has more health, higher dps, and more range

goo gun actually does grenade damage on top of what it already does

balance out turret by having it take away from your ammo

only give bots epic + weapons

i take that back

all bots have vector

but only 1 clip

none of this pistol whipping stuff

i either go down with respect and honor or i delete my accoutn

[teal dune]

NERF BOTS!

[warped thunder]

Increase the assault scar bullet damage(Excluding Explosive bullet) by 1

[rocky frigate]

increase turret's bullet speed and damage p

[ruby cloak]

Increase turrent’s everything

Including range

[grave valley]

turret is pretty bad, just buff everything

[ruby cloak]

the concept is pretty good. the shotgun shooting makes up for the bot-like aim, so its harder to avoid. YOu can throw it inside houses and route people out, as its a grenade. But its still pretty bad, because its just too underleveled. Considering that its a mythic, it should be buffed.

[grand steppe]

Goo gun needs a nerf

[atomic shore]

no

[unreal granite]

why

[grand steppe]

it literally needs a huge nerf, its way to op

[atomic shore]

its so weak

ez to dodge shots, short range, 1 tick of damage

like

no

its basically like going into storm

[grand steppe]

but the goo can stack

[atomic shore]

not that high

shorgun would win that fight

[grand steppe]

yeah but lets say someone has goo and shotty and is a sweat

[atomic shore]

so?

[grand steppe]

he can switch fast and kill me quickly

[atomic shore]

git gud then

[ruby cloak]

the dmg of the goo gun isn't that high actually. you can do a buuunch more dmg via an AR. the main problem is the shock factor. having your health rapidly deplete with you not being able to do anything about it really instills panic. The best way to counter is to keep shooting and ignore the fact that you're dying.

also the bullets are pretty slow so you can dodge

if you keep shooting, you'll land 90+ dmg on your opponent with you taking around 50, versus takeing cover and not damaging your opponent at all but still taking 50 dmg

[woven oasis]

ready for cursed concepts?

SCAR but its a burst
UMP but its an AR
VSS but its an SMG
AK but its a full auto
Bolt Action but it REDUCES your vision
Melee makes you walk slower
Shotgun only has one ammo in its clip

what have i done

[unreal granite]

why do i keep on dieing

gtg to bed good night

[cobalt zephyr]

trident come back

or at least make reverses have further range

[cobalt zephyr]

grenades are too broken

too much damage

[olive bolt]

hot take: SCARs are only in the game for the same reason that Hunting Rifles were

[mellow python]

add celestial back like the old days

thors hammer or trident too

[jaunty oracle]

I agree add a new iteam like thor hammer or trident

[north gull]

YES

Get TRIDENT BACK

[grave valley]

for the love of g o d plz dont bring the trident back, jeez do you not know how many people didnt like it, some did, some didnt, its opinion and i totally get why you might want it back for the people who are in the competitive community, it would be rough adjusting back to trying to avoid that op weapon

from killing them

i think that keeping it simple with the balanced weapon pool will keep the game, well, you know, more balanced

many casuals too also didnt like it cuz it wasnt fair when they didnt have it

in the hands of a bad player the trident isnt that good but when good players get it, it acts like an infinite impulse nade that does damage, op, dont need to say anything else

just kidding, i have more to say, the devs have been asked to bring back the trident/thors hammer over and over again, and it just seems like they dont want to put it back into the game, unless they would like to prove me wrong

[north gull]

Maybe it can be made more rare

than it was before

it could be airdrop only

or they can nerf the damage so there is like 3 damage and it is just an infinite impulse

[grave valley]

@north gull have you even played the game before because by putting it in airdrop, you have the chance of having MULTIPLE tridents in one game, there are like 5 to 10 airdrops per game soooooo

infinite impulse is still op because of the endless combos you can do with it, trident to pump, trident to sniper, trident to ar

anyways, even having the trident itself in the game is just too op

[ruby cloak]

yee

[olive bolt]

um 5 to 10 airdrops?

I'm pretty sure that 10 airdrops in 1 game isn't possible

or even 5

[golden ermine]

im pretty sure there are only 4 airdrops per match

[sand oyster]

or make a game mode, WITH the trident

personally i found it fun to use

but i understand why people don't like it

[cobalt zephyr]

its awesome

trident OP

[tropic stone]

There are 2 airdrops per match

There were 3 up till season 3 or something

Then it got taken down to 2

[teal dune]

NERF BOTS

[warped thunder]

How does one nerf bots???

"Bots will now spin in a 360 motion and will only use fists"

[mild sigil]

Make battle pass more fo free to play

✅

[warped thunder]

Add more things to the free pass ^

[open ibex]

more challenges to get skins like the cake and nite

add hard skins to get

[open ibex]

add carzz

rpg faster bullet

[worthy girder]

lower early game ump rarity or vault

[languid basalt]

Vault ump

[sour plover]

too op those weapons tho futuremind

[ruby cloak]

Don’t vault things: nerf them instead

[upbeat raven]

If u want a trident weapon, add a katana that has a AOE sweeping arc and is throwable

[sand oyster]

^ thats a good idea

[upbeat raven]

also can we remove some pointless legendaries like goo gun, minigun, flamethrower, etc

there's way too many weapons

[young cosmos]

make it easier to level in the pree pass

[sand oyster]

it's not suppose to be easy

[young cosmos]

lol

im poor

[tropic stone]

It’s quite easy to finish the free pass
You just need to hop on for 20 mins a day and do the dailies, you can miss quite a few days and still get there 🙂

[cobalt zephyr]

yeah

@rose lion @scarlet bone can we please either have trident back or katana like @upbeat raven mentioned?

[tropic stone]

Trident won’t be coming back

[cobalt zephyr]

ughhh

katana then

and just add more things to free pass

[tropic stone]

If they add too much to the free pass nobody will buy the battle pass and they’ll run out of money to fund the game

[cobalt zephyr]

just make both better

[tropic stone]

And how would the katana work btw

[cobalt zephyr]

idk just ask @upbeat raven

i just like his idea

maybe like airdrops, then a different weapon every season

so like trident could be replaced by katana this season

and next season something that represents the season.

[tropic stone]

Yea

[cobalt zephyr]

that would be fun

[tropic stone]

They had Thor’s hammer for myths and legends season then trident for ocean season

[cobalt zephyr]

yeah

so do it agian

again

i mean we saw how successful that was

so just do it again

[tropic stone]

Yea

[sand linden]

Yea

[strange kayak]

yea

[mild sigil]

DO THEY READ THIS!

[woven oasis]

@cobalt zephyr bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs bugs

[tender parcel]

I WANT CANDY CANES BACK

[warped thunder]

But Candy isn't good for your teeth

[tender parcel]

but it is, they give you 25hp each 🙂

[ruby cloak]

COZY CABINS WHYYY

[shut vigil]

pls bal

[worthy girder]

fix the game

[tropic stone]

:/

[floral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRMDo_vc_SFhq-gC2Vtv0Bw

[tropic stone]

No links in this channel please @floral haven

[floral haven]

Ok😔

[shrewd quartz]

guys i need help

i am 13 right

and i am in a squad

and this kid is 12

he runs the squad

[pastel solstice]

Ok

[shrewd quartz]

and i cant talk about nudes

or anything

[pastel solstice]

That's a u problem

👌

[shrewd quartz]

and he got mad at me for pinging everyone

twice as a joke

no one card

BUT HIM

[cobalt zephyr]

...

[zenith beacon]

make bannas a thing

[golden ermine]

@shrewd quartz "this kid" shouldnt be on discord if hes 12.
no one likes pings and its annoying.
if hes 12 he probably doesnt want to talk about any NFSW related content

[warped thunder]

Lets be honest some/alot of us aren't 13

So long as you don't act like a asshole,you should be fine

[vapid drum]

ye

[spark tendon]

lol

[young cosmos]

katana sounds great

maybe itll work like the fortnite infinity blade

[grave valley]

and be very op and ruin competitive scrims, just like fortnite

[upbeat raven]

what if u have to retrieve it after throw

[grave valley]

to much of a hassle to program, gotta code and make animations and everything, best if we keep things simple

and not have it

[warped thunder]

retrieve it XD more like throw it and then pray that the enemy doesn't steal your weapon

[tropic stone]

Yea

[tribal seal]

Auditor#1482 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[warped thunder]

welp

[olive bolt]

OwO?

[cobalt zephyr]

? what bad word xD

[warped thunder]

s

h

i

t

is a bad word

[cobalt zephyr]

ok

[warped thunder]

and yet...

[tropic stone]

Don’t avoid the censor

[olive bolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn aurora]

?

NERF BOTS

lost a game to a bush camping bot when i was low is hell and using a med kit

[ruby cloak]

well dying by a bot doesn't exactly warrant a bot nerf.

[grave valley]

dying to bot is more like a wake up call to get better, even if your 1 hp, you can see bots coming from a mile away

[warm hatch]

plus, bots dont camp

[worthy girder]

bro bots have aimbot and have better reaction time doe

[grave valley]

bro bots have tracking, which means that you can literally strafe and dodge all there bullets and and they stand still when they shoot at you making them easy targets

[sand oyster]

unless they swarm you

[grave valley]

then they are easier to kill because they are grouped together, even if they have guns they are still most of the time low hp

anyways, ive been pinched 100s of times in public matches and competitive scrims alike, so you get used to clutching those fights

[ruby cloak]

Also, bots are kinda supposed to be deadly

they're meant to be fake players, to make the early game a tiny bit more intresting and challenging

Its just that most people are pro and rekt them in two seconds, tops

if you get killed by one, that doesn't mean they should be nerfed. you just need to practice killing more

[sand oyster]

by swarming i mean they all come at once when your 5 hp and healing

[kind frost]

i think the bot issue would be solved if we could actually get a full lobby of real players before the game starts

[sage viper]

hi

[sly tree]

#general @sage viper

[wheat karma]

:,3

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[proper pewter]

Fix it

The view is so small

On mobile

[sterile cradle]

I have a feeling the new gun will be baulted

Vaulted*

[vapid drum]

hmmm idk

[cobalt zephyr]

hi

anyone wanna play

[craggy crescent]

what new gun? @sterile cradle

[spring sequoia]

reduce mini gun range

[craggy crescent]

yea thats be good

[vapid drum]

@grave valley dude u went HAM on wackhy but i think u shouldnt have said all that in suggestions

u kinda clogged up the chat lol

[grave valley]

oops

[vapid drum]

and i get why he blocked u.... u were polite but kinda harsh lol

i mean u did nothing wrong

but if he was like 8 or something

xD

[grave valley]

well...ive clogged suggestions way more than what i just did, that was nothing, now that I think about, probably should have moved the discussion to a different channel

[vapid drum]

lol

[cobalt zephyr]

idk fix the f-ing fps drops in wild west adn add an f-ing performance patch its annoying lagging in scrims when there 10 people in final circle plz fix it

[spark tendon]

same

[unreal turtle]

uhh there is no valentine chest I don't see it

[potent matrix]

how do i play zombs through discord

[supple otter]

Hi

[kind frost]

so why exactly are there bots in gun game? i get theyre in normal battle royale to increase amount of players, but in a gamemode where you dont really get healing items, they get pretty irritating when theyre scoping you from off the fov due to their tracking

[frail wind]

ciao italia

[loud path]

ikr

[languid basalt]

@kind frost tell me if I’m wrong but I think the bots are in gun game for the same reason their in normal br

[kind frost]

and what is that reason exactly?

because there is no player limit in gun game

[languid basalt]

not enough people play gun game most of the lobby are bots?

[worthy girder]

thats good its not a good gamemode

[kind frost]

make a smaller map so that less people wont be a problem

cuz im assuming if you have a large map with a low amount of people then finding people would be a problem, seeing you need to get kills to progress in the game

so by decreasing the map size, you'll have a higher population density

and then having a large amount of players on that map would be chaos

[cobalt zephyr]

will there ever be client for mac :charon:

[frail wind]

[cobalt zephyr]

prob never a mac client

@proper pewter thats just because you are on iPad and iPad has a less wide aspect ratio, if the devs "Fixed" it, there would be a serious advantage

[proper pewter]

Ik but like, how do we even play like that?

We can’t even see anyone

[quaint latch]

Goo gun is mega op

[languid basalt]

Nerf goo gun

[summer dew]

[stoic hare]

jk

the goo gun dose not need to be nerfed

i just wanted to say yes

the goo gun dose not need to be nerfed

[grave valley]

yeah, pretty balance if you know how to avoid

[summer dew]

yea,sniper counter as well, its the shakey screen and not bieng able to do anything about the health loss

[hazy saddle]

@scarlet bone can you please make it so when you die in squads you dont have to wait

[grave valley]

@hazy saddle lmao just leave the game, no need to wait

[tropic stone]

No invites in this channel please @kind aurora

[kind aurora]

sorry

[gray arrow]

can i stream snipe yari

im in Instict btw

[languid basalt]

Then why aren’t you in the instinct server or ZCC @gray arrow

[tulip meteor]

can you please stop the ar 15 from shooting through doors

its kinda annoying

[gray arrow]

Never got the code @languid basalt

[golden ermine]

@gray arrow. Epic fake instinct moment kek

[gray arrow]

...........

[ruby cloak]

well there's also snowballs and gift launchers and flamethrowers. they're basically a gag

[grave valley]

minigun too

[ruby cloak]

well miniguns for noobs who are learning to play

[grave valley]

kinda trash tho, unless you are playing against a bot, or if you surprise another player with it, not that it will do much

[woven oasis]

minigun is good early game

in open spaces

[ruby cloak]

same with p90. lets you 3rd party real quick and makes noobs stay away from you, so you get the good guns

[languid basalt]

can we nerf the silenced smg's range a bit please, it's op. But keep other stuff like damage and fire rate.

[lone forge]

^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~^^^~^~^~^^~^~^~^^~^~^~~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^^~^~

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[ruby cloak]

Or we can nerf its dmg and increase its range, to make it different from the others

P90 is a spam weapon. UMP is like a silenced smg only with a shorter range. MP5 is a UMP with less dmg and more firerate. The silenced smg can then be relatively low dmg, but medium firerate and the range of half an AR

[worthy girder]

nah just keep every thing unbalenced

[worthy girder]

um your in the incorrect channel for suggestions suggestions is at #suggestions

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[spark tendon]

lmao

[odd ivy]

vault vector its just annoying

[spark tendon]

NO

[dusky tundra]

Vector is so easy to counter

[woven oasis]

yeah, but its still annoying

[worthy girder]

Bruh vecters were under powered they finally get buffed and everyone hates it

[hushed storm]

vecters are mega op

[woven oasis]

vector is annoying because its spammable

the buff was needed

it was always annoying, but now its more annoying but also better

its a weird grey area

[languid basalt]

Keep vector vault p90

p90 is vector with slower reload and is too common. You will get deleted if someone finds it at the start of a game

[ruby cloak]

Early game, p90 is hecka op for third party-ing lol

[worthy girder]

ump and silenced would win against p90 anyday

[fringe raft]

Vector is good

I used it allot

[spark tendon]

Yes

[cobalt zephyr]

@ever+

[ancient kettle]

Can i get a carry

dm em if so

In zombs

[sly tree]

#looking-for-group @ancient kettle

[cobalt zephyr]

Ya

[summer dew]

<@&432227393067810823> ^

also posted in mutiple chats ima ping once tho

[cobalt zephyr]

Update those pistols like the glocks p2000 and vault the catucts grenades

[sterile cradle]

@craggy crescent the turret thing from the supply drops i know its not really a gun but sooner or later it will probably get vaulted

[craggy crescent]

Yea ifbojky it did. More damage

[upbeat raven]

nerf the grenades

nerf the grenades

the radius is op

omg nerffffff

[languid basalt]

What all of them or.. be more specific

[upbeat raven]

the frag grenades

the aoe specifically

[languid basalt]

Hmm I think they should just fix the weird thing where the aoe is broken when next to a window

[long obsidian]

Nades are opppppppp

[torpid hull]

you should:

nerf the vector

nerf the AK

Buff the AR-15 (MB add a mythic one idk)

buff the MP5 (Make the range a little longer to make it a more Diverse gun

buff the AWP and XM8 (make them more common in airdrops, but mb reduce the range of the AWP by a tile or two, and make the XM8 deal 1 or 2 less damage.

Nerf the cactus bombs (make them do 10 damage since there's so many of the little cactus things

Balance the semi-auto sniper (Less range, but make it do like 50 damage)

Nerf the scoped M4 (1 or 2 less damage.)

buff the 'nade launcher (Nades should do like 50 damage)

thats all i got

[olive bolt]

there is already a mythic ar-15
also the silenced smg is already a buffed mp5

[grave valley]

vector trash, its never used in comp play and its kinda just a spam weapon that is easily counterable if you know what you are doing

ak is more of a skilled based weapons, bullets can be strafed but its good in the hands of a good player

ar 15 is already a top tier weapon used by almost all players as the optimal ar that they always take, also there is already a mythic variant, guess you must be new here

mp5 doesnt need a buff when you already have the silenced, just let the mp5 be bad so we have some balance in the weapon pool

awp already does an insane 80 dmg with a crazy range, no point of making it more common, its just meant to be a super rare weapon, same for xm8 albeit it isnt as good as the awp, also wouldnt making them more common in airdrops ruin the spawn rates for other airdrop weapons?

[cobalt zephyr]

...

[grave valley]

cactus bombs already do 10 dmg per projectile lmao

[spark tendon]

lol

[grave valley]

semi auto is pretty bad, rarely used in comp, not used that much either in regular games, needs a buff

scoped m4 kinda op, but is a mythical weapon sooooooo... i think its good the way it is

nade launcher needs a buff

[frigid cove]

https://discord.gg/8XaZuZ
@everyone Join my clan, use !tryout. To Tryout for my clan

[sly tree]

No kid

@frigid cove #clans-talk

[woven oasis]

@grave valley vector is actually p good

In certain situations it gives good control

because nobody in their right mind would challenge a vector in an SMG vs SMG

So you have the upper hand

If you position right (make it difficult for shotguns to function) vector is actually pretty op

it's better to shoot a vector out the window than an AR (in the suitable range) because the fire rate actually makes big damage

[olive bolt]

then again, bc its fire rate is so fast it's kinda impractical to peek w/vector as you have to reload so often
that's why a lot of the time silenced smgs are chosen over vector in comp matches

[woven oasis]

^

[woven oasis]

all in all, vector is still A+ tier in solos, kinda good in duos and trash in squads

Reload is only 1s

[ruby cloak]

You can slowly chip away your opponents hp as they scream in frustration because they don’t have enough time to pump you

Also Vector can be used for covering fire

Spray at a door or window as you walk past it so people won’t dare for back

[worthy girder]

make the game pay to win it will fairly balence the game

[cobalt zephyr]

No

[worthy girder]

yes

[grave valley]

might have used tons of hyperbole, ok ill admit vector is far from trash, but still wouldnt pick it up 9 times out of 10

[summer dew]

yea, id only pick it up if i didn't have a pump

[grave valley]

yup exactly but even after that if i had a silenced smg i wouldnt pick up the vector

[solemn nacelle]

the mythic weapons are unbalanced, make the guns bullet time less.

[olive bolt]

they're mythic for a reason

[worthy girder]

What?

Brih

[dense pine]

I'm live on Twitch - Watch me at twitch.tv/eucerin1

Hi

[cobalt zephyr]

nice

[tropic stone]

@dense pine use #showcase for that please

[proper pewter]

Make it so mobile people can easily put on party mode. It’s hard for us as when ever we message the keyboard comes up and we don’t have enough time to change to party mode.

[sly tree]

Yeh

[cobalt zephyr]

I don’t even know who to put on party mode lol

[sly tree]

.. u cant put ppl on party mode

[torpid hull]

lol what my comments did xD

[blazing snow]

hi

[worthy girder]

no

[long obsidian]

@cobalt zephyr dm me

[sly tree]

#general

[merry saddle]

who plays paladins

[cobalt zephyr]

yo @merry saddle is earaping the vc

he is making weird noises

tell him to get hell out the vc

he is making loud ass noises

oh woops wrong chat

[merry saddle]

co me t a lk in vo i c e ch at

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

he says he is from area 51

this is idiotic

wow

harsh

im not adopted

[merry saddle]

MAYBE YOU ARE

[cobalt zephyr]

i have the birth certificate

[merry saddle]

ma y be i it is af ake

ar eu sc ar ed

[cobalt zephyr]

no

and u typing like ur bashing ur head on the keyboard does not scare me

[merry saddle]

w h y u lea ve th en

[cobalt zephyr]

BECAUSE

UR SAYING IM ADOPTED

UR TRYING TO CONVINCE ME UR INTHE HOUSE

WHILE I AM HOME ALONE

UR A JERK

[merry saddle]

i f uc n ow u ar ent a dopt ed wh y ur scared

[cobalt zephyr]

im not scared

y r u using that dumb ass voice changer

also u spelt "know" wrong

[merry saddle]

m ay be i a m

[cobalt zephyr]

maybe u r what?

[merry saddle]

d o uw a n ah ea r m y r e a l v oi c

[sly tree]

#general

[hollow arrow]

zombs royale is like h1z1 and fortnite at the same time kinda like it to be on steam <3

[cobalt berry]

Anyone up for duos

[stable zephyr]

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[sly tree]

No spam

[noble sinew]

https://skribbl.io/?dkzumqwwTp\

https://tenor.com/view/ya-right-gif-8066627

[languid basalt]

@noble sinew put this in off topic please

[woven oasis]

ZombsRoyale.io Guns Tier List (Unofficial)
Disclaimer: This list is not conclusive and is open to interpretation. Each weapon is compared with the same rarities of different guns of the same class.
S+ TIER
A cut above the S TIER weapons, purely by sheer power.
AWP
XM8
Pump Shotgun
Scoped M4
Silenced SMG
Silenced AR-15
S TIER
The most powerful and/or usable weapons in game.
AR-15
AK
UMP
Vector
Bolt-Action
Dragunov
Assault SCAR
Frag Grenades
Reverse Impulse Grenade
Impulse Grenade
Hybrid Potions
A TIER
Good substitutes for the S TIER weapons
M4
P90
Deagle
Gassy Grenade
Big Shield
Small Shields
Med Kit
A- TIER
Suitable substitute substitutes for the substitutes of S TIER... Basically, they're okay
XBow
RPG
Rubber Gun
Semi-Auto Sniper
Cactus Bomb
Goo Gun
B TIER
Not exactly the best, but can still hold their own in the hands of good players
Assault Shotgun
SCAR
MG36
MP5
Silenced Pistol
Bandages
Turret
Grapple Gun
C TIER
Hardly used, but still picked up and can act as decent early game weapons
Dual Barrettas
Tactical Shotgun
VSS
Crossbow
Snowman Grenade
Snowball
D TIER
Terrible weapons. It's used seriously by only the unprofessional.
Uzi
Flamethrower
Minigun
Glock
F TIER
Absolute garbage. Will not help you in almost any situation. Only use these weapons if you're toxic lmao
P2000
TommyGun
Grenade Launcher
Smoke Grenade

Let me know if I missed anything, or you think a weapon should be lower or higher. Keep in mind that this is not everyone's list, so your opinions may differ from mine. However, I will take into account all and any suggestions.
Contributors: ᶻAardvark YT, NoobG, {JP} Riptide (s p e e c h), aeon (stinky stonky), Davv, UnlegendaryNoob, It's Bro now, Bot Boi YT, Leadbraw (poop), a_, Jay Bot YT, Griffin, Chosen (pai), AWP | VENOM

Changelog
Turret B Tier
Grapple Gun B Tier

[woven oasis]

Game Balance Suggesion
Nerfs

• Pump Shotgun
  Add a 0.3s delay when switching to the pump shotgun.
  Buffs
• VSS
  Increase damage by 2, decrease fire rate by 10%.
• Assault SCAR
  Increase maximum damage by 1.
• Tactical Shotgun
  Increase bullet velocity.

[silver verge]

That is the most retarded thing I ever heard add .3 when switching like wtf @woven oasis

Worst suggestion that's my opinion no beef

[olive bolt]

gotta agree with that

there's already a delay

[grave valley]

adding a delay to the pump will, i guess, balance it out, so that when you whip out the pump, you cant shoot immediately but i think that a better nerf is needed, something that will affect it more.

not too major tho

[sly tree]

DONT NERF THE PUMP HOW COULD YOU

If you do that it would be hard to combo :c

[covert sorrel]

DONT NERF THE PUMP HOW COULD YOU
КЖЕУЕЦУ

[woven oasis]

@silver verge @olive bolt @grave valley @sly tree
(mass ping feelsbadman)
Here's my motive:
Pump has great power on its own, able to deal insane point-blank damage whilst also providing decent mid-range support. Because of this, Pump has a firm grip on the meta and most playstyles. What I wanted to do is to force a higher skill cap on this weapon to encourage interesting use of other shotguns, specifically the Assault Shotgun. I feel like it has a much more powerful mid-range presence, has a lower skill cap and desperately needs attention. Literally the only shotgun worth using is the Pump, and while that's okay, it renders the other two absolutely useless. While there are probably better ways of dealing with this issue (e.g. Buffing other shotguns), it would also start to phase out SMGs, which is a whole other can of worms. I understand its quite a significant change for 0.3 seconds, and it might "ruin" the Pump, but honestly - it would probably remain the main pick. Pump on its own is a wrecking ball, but now it can't be paired with other weapons. That's it. Heck, I doubt it would make any dent on the Pump meta, the Assault Shotgun is too weak to compare to the Pump. So seriously, why not? Discard all your thoughts on "cool plays" and combos and think about it, because I think it would help spice up things, even if it's just a little bit.

fite me riptide (legit send me a Google doc idm)

[olive bolt]

really? i thought there was already a delay

i must be bad at scrolling then :/

i still think there is a delay though

waiting for verification

[woven oasis]

whatever the case, increase it.

[olive bolt]

Still, imo if they want to make assault shotgun viable then the best thing to do is increase damage and/or range, then decrease SMG dropoff to keep them viable too

[woven oasis]

perhaps

that's a bit drastic tho

[olive bolt]

True

I just really like current pump though

[warped thunder]

There is a delay for shooting after swapping

That was what killed the double AK i think

This delay is something like 0.5 seconds but it can screw you up entirely because you aren't able to pop out a insta snipe when you need it

[sly tree]

Jeez you wrote a whole essay

[supple frigate]

assault shotgun is still good, it's just not worth picking up over a pump shotgun

[cobalt zephyr]

@supple frigate hi

@rocky frigate hi

@cobalt zephyr hi

[cobalt zephyr]

@cobalt zephyr you play zombs royal

[cobalt zephyr]

yes @cobalt zephyr

i play

@proper pewter

[proper pewter]

Don’t ping me

[thick shard]

اه

[grave valley]

@woven oasisYou have severely underestimated my full potential and capability and I will hereby destroy everything that you have said as I over analyze, word for word, what you have typed and I have the right to use it against you. You mortal fool. You have just made one of the most grave mistakes of your entire life, and I will make you pay for it. Mwhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[woven oasis]

@grave valley as long as you aren't petty (haha grammar mistake ahjdkdodods) and actually give good inputs I'm fully okay

[cobalt zephyr]

@woven oasis i think ur overestimating the role of a pump in the comp meta

[worthy girder]

@cobalt zephyr cringe

[languid basalt]

Yikes

[woven oasis]

@cobalt zephyr probably, I actually see a lot more silenced/ump

[twilit bison]

ngl i almost never use a shotgun

[floral haven]

https://images.app.goo.gl/cjBtLpcPn1SyStYH8

[cobalt zephyr]

?

[ruby cloak]

@woven oasis for the shotty nerf maybe massively increase the drop-off so it'll be kinda useless at close-mid to mid range?

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[maiden ibex]

I personally think that P90 is pretty good because it has a nice spray radius. I use it for my secondary weapon of choice.

[grave valley]

but pump takes the cake for best close range weapon

[languid basalt]

@dim mortar please don’t spam

[grave valley]

he was already been muted

[cobalt zephyr]

@woven oasis whats your opinion about carrying an extra utility instead of a close range weapon

[woven oasis]

@cobalt zephyr open fights, usually not a good idea

unless you play aggro and in a squad

honestly I'd rather forgo AR

[cobalt zephyr]

koff

[woven oasis]

and hold like a UMP or silenced

[cobalt zephyr]

wow im green now

uhhhh

[woven oasis]

Owo

either way, I play mobile. It's much harder to use utility

I usually carry 2 healing or easy use grenades like Gassy and repulse

I've been practicing impusle

But I'm not doing super well

[left wagon]

Dynamic joysticks

Solution

[sweet shell]

Can we make aus a region

[strange kayak]

@sweet shell u aussie

Me to

Melbourne?

[sweet shell]

Yep

Melbourne

To

U

@strange kayak

@strange kayak

U here

Hello

[strange kayak]

Owo

Nice

Yeah melboure

N

[languid basalt]

hey im in melbourne tooo

bois keep suggesting OCE servers in suggestions

[modern shard]

Im Melbourne as well

OCE SERVERS WHEN

[quiet basalt]

i got an itch to come back to this channel frequently again. if u wanna talk abt smth relating to tactics n sht in game ping me

[languid basalt]

Uuuuuh ok??

[woven oasis]

@quiet basalt hello leadbraw I would like to ask on whether the AK is actually comparable to the ar15 and whether the m4 deserves a little more love

yes this is related to the tier list, I'd also love a more in depth reaction

[quiet basalt]

@woven oasis hi

Assuming equal rarity I only use ak on native region or if my only other option is a scar but sometimes I'm feelin cocky and I'll pick one up on east anyways and do well

It requires quite a big shift in play to use it very well but I think ultimately region doesn't matter and it absolute shreds in squads but ofc u have to hit ur shots

A mythic ak in squads imo is the best ar u can have behind any special mythics (barring mg36)

[languid basalt]

picking up pump early squad game is op

[woven oasis]

not necessarily

early game you shouldnt really expect shields, so spammy weapons are more powerful, and snipers become devastating

@quiet basalt I don't want to get political but what the fruck is native region

[quiet basalt]

I'm usw

Usw is my native

Lowest ping

[woven oasis]

oH

i thought it was map related

So basically M4 > AK

[outer oxide]

agreed, as long as its below epic

[left wagon]

I prefer any ak over m4 but not over ar15

[quiet basalt]

I'd take blue ak over blue m4

[supple frigate]

If you're at lucky lake don't carry the ar15

[upbeat raven]

nerf minigun

also nerf all grenade aoe

they way too bid