#game-balance

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hearty fractal
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For what I'm confused

tired roost
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on windows it pushes you into royal mode

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for the url

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from the browser play using the url

hearty fractal
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What were you looking at

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Thiers two games it sounds like your talking about

tired roost
hearty fractal
tired roost
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ok that works

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now the trick is get teh zombs.io in discord

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or is that going away?

grave valley
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not sur tbh i do know that you can get zombsroyale on discord which is what i play on but not sure about zombs

hearty fractal
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I don't think you can elget zombs on discord

bronze cliff
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yes you can

stray rivet
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I bought battle pass it said try again later did that happen to anybody else

cobalt zephyr
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YEEEEET

silent bronze
hearty fractal
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@bronze cliff I didn't know you can get zombs.io on discord

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I thought it was only the royale version

bronze cliff
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Oh, I didn't see that important distinction
Thanks for pointing that out. 🙂

hearty fractal
blissful brook
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yes

hardy shard
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#vault the vector

bronze cliff
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#replace it with a mythic shotgun

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people have talked about new, fancy alternatives for a mythic airdrop shotgun

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but I kinda wonder if just the regular mythic pump would be good enough

unique vigil
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I think there should be both, you know?

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There's both an Airdrop AR and a normal Mythic AR...

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While that isn't the same across the board, I think Shotguns need a bit more attention, imo.

fathom quarry
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Nerf silenced smgs range

stuck scaffold
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dm me if you want to play mic only

dusky haven
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i dont got mic sorry

random mantle
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@fathom quarry its range is the 2nd shortest so plz shut up about nerfing the new perfectly balanced weapons

fathom quarry
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Ok I’m sry😎😬

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I just think it is too op

obsidian swan
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Add daily gifts for pc

slow harbor
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Hi

wanton oyster
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Imm not a gangster but I am I like apple sauce just like Peter Pan I play games....... like Dan the man

tired roost
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mystic double pistols; everyone wants it

hearty fractal
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Not really lol

acoustic tusk
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i feel like a common pistol is stronger than a rare ar

cobalt zephyr
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Guns rare and epic gun's damage is a little bit too much

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And add pc daily login gift pls

woven oasis
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@acoustic tusk i feel like ur wrong

acoustic tusk
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yeah maybe

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its just an opinion

cobalt zephyr
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...

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Give more chance to get mythic pistols

crystal coral
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lol?

restive ore
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mythic pistols op

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2 dmg per shot

cobalt zephyr
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take out goo gun

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im bout to quit zr bv of thi

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bc*

celest jungle
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can i have nitro?

fallow current
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no

wanton oyster
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Tuff

random moon
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Vault or nerf minigun, p90, vector, and Goo Gun

torn rivet
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true miniguj goo gun annoying if your in duos and you get miniguned from two angles ggs

cobalt zephyr
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suppressed smg feels a lot stronger than the smgs that we have now. p90 needs a buff or a vault

random moon
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@kuthulu#5750 no

forest spruce
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this is the 7th time that i am asking but can we vault glock. it is too strong

vivid ivy
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Why does everybody want to vault or nerf goo gun its under powerd

hearty depot
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make an AR with no spread

cobalt zephyr
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@hearty depot yep,thats right

keen cargo
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Bruh, that would be op

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The scoped M4 had literally no spread, high damage and extra view

cobalt zephyr
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@keen cargo thanks

random mantle
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@forest spruce you are mental the glock is one of the worst guns in the game and if it was so strong everyone would use it but no one does

crude hollow
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I use it so question is "are you mental" you need skill to use it thats why you dont like it

rocky frigate
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Pistols are usually early game weapons, don’t expect any experienced players to run around with it all the time

tired roost
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mythic double pistols

rocky frigate
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That’d be satisfying

cobalt zephyr
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hi

tired roost
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@rocky frigate nice, thanks 🔫 🔫

random mantle
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And yes @rocky frigate they are early game wepaons but I don’t even feel like for the early game they are good

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They should defenetely buff all pistols

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At least by few damage

cobalt zephyr
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ban mini

pale barn
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more airdrops worse loot

quiet basalt
cobalt zephyr
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@shell iris is dummy thicc

red heart
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creative mode (copying fortnite xD)

proper geode
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buff the glock

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11 dmg or 12

unreal hedge
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doesnt it do like 13

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o wait

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nvm

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i just realized it does 8-9

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Occasionally 10

mortal sandal
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!p 63 stayla

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!p

fresh temple
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Hi

hardy shard
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MAKE HEALING MORE COMMON THIS GAME SUUUUUUCKS I NEVER HAVE ANY HEALTH

tired roost
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^^^true

fair oar
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vault goo gun and flamethrower

tired roost
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new season

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hello...

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P-O-S-T-

hearty fractal
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New seasons out in an hour and a half

tired roost
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@hearty fractal CrownSpray

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when can i buy in the new season

hearty fractal
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A few hours if it's not extended

tired roost
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??

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can i buy into season now; get all my unlocks; and still be in the new season

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if i buy atm

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or is that 2 purchases

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Telescoped 🤔 2

hearty fractal
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@tired roost you can buy the new season when it comes out INA few hours

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If it comes out then

tired roost
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dont you dare say that

hearty fractal
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?

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Alot of the time it's delayed by apple

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Or so etching

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Something

tired roost
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12

hexed sun
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fortnite

sly briar
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mythic Glock or ban

fair wren
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español?

opal shell
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!rank

haughty raptor
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I honestly say vault the flame thrower and Nerf the goo gun. Also buff the scar a bit...

fathom estuary
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Vault the goo gun and rubber gun would be nice I’m getting killed by them all the time

quiet basalt
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lol

cobalt zephyr
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yo guys should the goo gun removed its too op

dense mulch
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The stupidest thing you could have done is allow people to join mid game in arms race, where's the fun. That's like telling people hey, go run in 100m dash, but there's already people at 75m

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except you don't even tell them

tired roost
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id rather start playing than wait

strong grotto
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Hello

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Pls nerf scar shooting speed

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Very op

past maple
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sup yall!

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add me

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Someone down to play zombs?

cobalt zephyr
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Me!

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My id is

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viroloxcraft#3628

gaunt tapir
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me

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im MEMES2006#9894

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add me

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i hate the dagles

gaunt tapir
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i only got 43 kills in the gun thing

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41

smoky coyote
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hunting rifle removed??

quiet basalt
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i havent worn a single season 12 skin so far

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@cobalt zephyr

icy belfry
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Who want to play

golden ermine
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Nerf the silenced smh omg

foggy falcon
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Silenced Smg is Op

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OP

light crown
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qui parle fr

light crown
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Qui parle fr svp

still cedar
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who wants to 1v1 me on zombs

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I play on NA east

sterile cradle
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How do you 1v1 on zombs

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Nerf goo gun and buff tommy gun and bolt action sniper

rough lava
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Oof

cobalt zephyr
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duos anyone zombs royale

frank rune
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Lel

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?whois

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?whois @frank rune

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-_-

heady loom
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nerf shotguns

hearty fractal
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shotties are fine

heady loom
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also buff mythics

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i was fighting a guy, we had same hp same shield, but diferent rarity weapons. i had mythic yet he still dealt more dmg

woven oasis
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Depends which weapon, some mythics have weaker dps than others

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That doesn't mean that mythics are bad, just wrong application

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@heady loom

heady loom
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scar vs ak

woven oasis
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Ahhhhh

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Assault scar has a higher fire rate + explosive bullets. AK has lower fire rate but more dmg

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More accurate aks trump most other ars, but usually its quite difficult

frank rune
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Yep.

cobalt zephyr
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//

grave valley
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although i would chose any mythic weapon beside the mg36 or a mythical ak because of the fact that you need to be so accurate to lazer someone

cobalt zephyr
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yo anyone wanna play zombs with me

pale plaza
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You should have more gems in the free pass. Either that, or have the battle pass cost maybe like 125 gems or 150. 180 is way overpriced and the only way to get that is to pay 10 bucks. In comparison with that to Fortnite, the battle pass is 950 vbucks which IS 10 bucks, but in comparasin to the free pass, its reachable without paying anything. However, you only get like 15 gems in a free pass, which means its basically impossible to get the battle pass without buying.

cobalt zephyr
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Yea

frank rune
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._.

pale barn
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worse airdrop wepons, but more airdrops

zenith ibex
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remove ball gun

trim oracle
still cedar
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Fortnite is better

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I dont understand how you people like playing rip oofs

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offs*

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No offense to any of you out there

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Just saying

rocky frigate
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That’s like saying ur name is a rip off of the clash Royale ice wizard card because you have ice and wiz in it, so copy, bad

cobalt zephyr
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@rocky frigate u play clash

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if yes what arena

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me in arena 11

quiet basalt
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@rocky frigate u play clash

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if yes what arena

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me in arena 11

ocean cave
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Hello

fast eagle
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@quiet basalt armature. master 1 dab

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well my highest, the season thing pped me

quiet basalt
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Im memeing the overtaker kid nerd @fast eagle

fast eagle
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@cobalt zephyr noob

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ur dead

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@quiet basalt is there a clashroyale instinct dab

burnt sparrow
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@quiet basalt

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@tidal sage

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@tender parcel

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reply to meh boiz

graceful nicheBOT
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dynoSuccess [Z9] | Twist3dUnkn0wn#7116 has been warned.

meager vector
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@rocky frigate

rocky frigate
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?

tired crescent
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Oof

tired roost
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@still cedar you do know fortnite was a trender, off of 'H1Z1? right?

vast marsh
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??

still cedar
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@tired roost, so what? There are so many ways, in which fortnite is different. H1Z1 is not even that competitive, and the only aspect is shooting, unlike fortnite, which has much more different, and better elements. Besides, is ZombsRoyale not inspired by PUBG, or Fortnite?

tired roost
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@still cedar right, i agree, big deal - that is the way game building goes

still cedar
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@tired roost, so are you agreeing with me, or.......

tired roost
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the first to market was actually a movie, that became a game mod, that became h1z1; if i got that trail right; i am sure it is, i played

still cedar
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@tired roost ok.......

tired roost
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they can change and add more fortnite stuff , ynot

still cedar
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do you play fornite though

tired roost
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yet, i think the bigger picture is not trending. but fixing the friends system making the game more community

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i have not, i have seen a few hours of fortnite played 'cousins' i have always 'just' had another game going

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fortnite seems like it might be fun, the room building stuff and going up

still cedar
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thats the point my guy, it makes the game more competitve

lunar dove
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hoi

pale barn
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more airdrops, worse loot i them

sturdy compass
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Ye

pale barn
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But they don’t show on the map

lilac moss
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Hi

late mural
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i saw a person say this is a copy of fortnite, which i mean they blatantly admit to being so, they have or used to have (idk if they removed it) the domain of fortnite.io, and then the argument went into h1z1 vs fortnite

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pro

still cedar
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that was me

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And stop bashing me

spare vigil
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@cobalt zephyr you are talking about a mythic tactical shotgun in that post, more or less

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And the vector is plenty rare @pale barn , only 40% chance of even seeing it in a match. It's only good at close range too

pale barn
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tru

heavy oar
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bring ranked in

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make a ranked mode

wispy summit
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Add bot-proofing systems. (those "I am not a robot" buttons)

grave valley
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the devs put the bots in the game so that wont make sense

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also that would be tedious to keep doing one of those i am robot buttons everygame so no

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ranked mode would cost a good amount for the devs considering server costs

pale barn
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fax

zenith ibex
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fix you f@cking game

tired crescent
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😂

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He triggered

clever mauve
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ban the p90

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plz

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its op

woven oasis
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bruh

summer dew
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bruh

grave valley
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p90 is legit absolutely garbage

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it does not play a prominent role in the meta as the spray meta has already died to the shot gun ar snipe meta

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only bad players can get themselves in a place where they get sprayed down by the p90

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just keep your distance

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also

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bruh

rocky frigate
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If you consider everyone, it’s a good weapon

jolly moss
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^^^

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It's not OP, and not trash.

grave valley
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knida a middle round weapon i suppose

jolly moss
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Ya

grave valley
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middle ground weapon

spring sequoia
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At max range the supressed smg shouldnt be doing 13 dmg make like 10 dmg

grave valley
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ikr damage drop off should be higher maybe 11 to 12 damage at max range

dusky summit
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lol

cobalt zephyr
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Lower scopes ar damage it’s op

cobalt zephyr
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No

pale barn
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more airdrops

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worse loot

short halo
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I dunno if it’s like balance but scoped m4 should be a little bit more scoped

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So you can see more

modest lynx
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scoped m4 is already strong

summer dew
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scoped m4 is ballanced bruh

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and its rare

sudden gazelle
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shotguns should have a little bit more range.There are times where i'll shoot the other guy but i only do 6

pale barn
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cuz shottys arent a fare range wepon

bronze cliff
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Exactly
You have to learn which scenarios require the correct weapons
Shotguns excel in close-range combat, but an AR might be better for longer ranges
And a sniper, of course, would be best for the longest ranges

grave valley
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either that or your aim isnt spot on

woven oasis
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@grave valley P90 has evolved to become a surrogate shotgun, at least for me. When access to shotguns are limited (e.g. I only have a rare pump ew) I would use the P90. This is because its extremely deadly at point blank. It can absolutely destroy your health in 2 seconds. Coupled with door tricks and reverses, it fits this role well enough, especially at legendary rarities. I wouldn't say only bad players fall for this - it's essentially the same as avoiding shotguns, which even the best seem to forget sometimes. And even though the meta supposedly "forgot" about SMGs, I feel that isn't true. It just isn't abused as much as shotguns seem "better" when actually, with proper spacing, an SMG can easily take one down.

grave valley
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well stated

alpine delta
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Very true

cobalt zephyr
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P90 isn't op lmao @clever mauve

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And @woven oasis shotguns are better

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I mean like sure if the shotgun user is dumb P90 will win

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But thing is shotgun is just better overall

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There's not really a possible way P90 would win unless they're in an open area with no cover and they came from opposite sides of the screen

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And even if that does happen the shotgun user can just switch to a different weapon

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Most likely a P90 user and a shotgun user will get in a fight either between a 90 degree angle wall or with one person inside a house and another person outside

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The shotgun can just peak out, shoot once, and then quickly go back behind cover

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while P90 can't really do peak shots

quiet basalt
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hi nono

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watching the peasants talk again?

cobalt zephyr
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lmao

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wait

bronze cliff
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Of course shotguns are better if you can stick to peek shots
But if you can maneuver your opponent with impulse grenades, it is possible to get a long exposure time and dominate the shotgun player

Lead has done that to me recently; he should be able to explain how it works 😄

cobalt zephyr
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doesn't that also apply for shotguns

bronze cliff
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Not necessarily
If the exposure time is like 0.3 seconds (a peek) shotty is way better
If the exposure time is longer and you can avoid the very first shotgun shot, SMG is better

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An impulse nade bounce can do that

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Because it will put you in unpredictable positions

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Both the shotty and the SMG will likely miss their first shot
But the shotgun's next shot will be a while later, the SMG's next shot will be an instant later

cobalt zephyr
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If the SMG user impulses towards the shotgun user won't the shotgun user hit their shot

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They're not just going to shoot randomly

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Won't it take around 0.5-1 sec (idk how long) to react and shoot them

bronze cliff
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Ideally the SMG player would move the shotgun player, not themselves

cobalt zephyr
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ohh

bronze cliff
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UMP/silenced SMG are better for the scenario I'm talking about, too

cobalt zephyr
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silenced smg?

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wtf is that

bronze cliff
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*supressed

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Whatever it's called

cobalt zephyr
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oh ok

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still don't know what that is

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i haven't played ZR in a long time

bronze cliff
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I think it was added like a month ago 😄

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It's pretty good

cobalt zephyr
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eek

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Ok let's say a SMG user throws an impulse/rev impulse so that they move the shotgun user towards them

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Won't the shotgun user have enough time to react to the impulse/rev impulse

bronze cliff
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In the best case scenario, you'd make the impulse nade bounce off of something before grabbing your opponent
That way you will end up at an unpredictable angle

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If the SMG user is inside of a building and the pump player is outside, the SMG player can impulse the shotgun player inside without them noticing
In which case they are pretty much guaranteed to get at least an easy 50 damage

cobalt zephyr
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Doesn't the same apply for shotguns or just weapon

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You impulse someone inside to surprise them

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That way so that you get the first few shots

bronze cliff
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True

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Pumps look way cooler when you kill somebody with them
So I always grab a blue pump over any SMG 😄

However, I've seen Lead take a supressed SMG over nice pumps
And of he's spent the time to compile that big weapons sheet, he probably knows the strengths and weaknesses of each weapon as well

cobalt zephyr
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eek

bronze cliff
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If you can get even 2 seconds of straight exposure vs. a pump player, you have a really good chance of killing them

cobalt zephyr
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Does P90 have that much dps?

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I thought it only did like 40ish dps

bronze cliff
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Augh Discord crashed

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Anyways, the P90 is the worst of the high-teir SMG's IMO

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The Discord app keeps crashing, so I might have to go soon 😄

cobalt zephyr
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oki

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cya

cobalt zephyr
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#remove googuns

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is actually so annoying

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it shoots and the goo spreads so far so its nearly impossible to avoid getting hit by it

woven oasis
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Uh no lol

pale barn
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nah

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goo gun is so fun

sour blade
grave valley
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Tbh i would probably get rid of the goo gun just because of how poison damage it gives you after getting hit

cobalt zephyr
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would like you to put an option to play as on PC on mobile so that people who play on mobile connecting a side and a mouse can play just like on PC

celest jungle
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hello

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hello

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hello

dapper hinge
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creeper

bronze cliff
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The goo gun is the definition of a properly balanced weapon IMO
It's quite effective and annoying if you can hit someone with it, and can cause them to lose damage ticks for a long time
However, it's also difficult to hit someone with it because the bullet speed is so low

So it can both counter and be countered

faint shuttle
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@cobalt zephyr has

cobalt zephyr
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the goo gun has a huge range

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but a low spread

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i still think the range should be 3/4 what it is now

rocky frigate
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Do the ticks stack?

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If they do then I don’t think they should

quiet basalt
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the ticks dont stack omegalul

rocky frigate
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How much ticks from a shot

quiet basalt
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if only i had a spreadsheet and u didnt need to ask these questions

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pinned in showcase btw

rocky frigate
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It’s cracked

storm hull
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Lmao

rocky frigate
bronze cliff
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Having Dyno offline can get kind of annoying 😄

sterile nest
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follow osy02 on twitch

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Big contest every 50 follow

cobalt zephyr
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Plz sub to him I really want him to make his face revealed

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Oh hey snoob

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Love your vids

dusky summit
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?

lilac moss
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Hi

cobalt zephyr
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😑😑😑

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Or

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Ban by mods

vast marsh
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i thought u could only post clan invs to #off-topic

ruby cloak
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Other way around

sterile cradle
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Nerf goo gun and buff tommy gun

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Nerf sniper

ruby cloak
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Why nerf sniper?

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It already takes a bolt three shots to kill a person with 50 shield

candid summit
peak mason
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buff goo gun

cobalt zephyr
grave valley
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yeah tbh snipers are perfectly fine the way they are

cobalt zephyr
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Nerf flamethrower it's kinda useless

⬇️
👍if you agree?

ruby cloak
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You mean buff?

sand oyster
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XD

primal ether
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if it is useless, buff it to make it useful

ruby cloak
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“kind of useless”? You mean “so friggin trash even literal bots with their dumb ai don’t use it”

rocky frigate
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I use it sometimes for overtime damage, but normally I don’t ever pick it up, not a bad gun tho

bronze cliff
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Aren't bots unable to pick up any weapon teir greater than Uncommon?

ruby cloak
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Exactly

bronze fjord
hollow vessel
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Here’s a bright idea Devs:
Vault goo gun

cobalt zephyr
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I'ma bout to enter school XD

gloomy bobcat
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its laggy

gloomy bobcat
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on asia

cobalt zephyr
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ma team

cobalt zephyr
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Pls balance goo gun

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It’s so annoying

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No

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Make it less aftershock or slower aftershock

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Its well-balanced

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Most people know it’s broken

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It slowly shots

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But it hv damage

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Wat d u see is called balance

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Say what u 5 or something Eniglish

gusty forge
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Bloc

dense dirge
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the Melee weapon is kinda op noobhammer Haven’t seen something this good since Trident.

ruby cloak
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“Melee weapon kinda op” lmao

unique vigil
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Ikr, 18 damage is way too much

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I am joking as well for the 9 year olds that don't understand

dusky summit
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x

pale barn
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listen sela

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more airdrops

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worse loot

bronze cliff
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why?

pale barn
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it makes sense

primal ether
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no

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if the airdrops are bad, no one would go for them

pale barn
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more meds come endgame, and more nades

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also they shouldent show up on mape

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map

primal ether
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the last suggestion seems fun

pale barn
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also

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im just talking bout guns

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there would be tons of meds/nades

tired roost
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make friends an interface to communicate with friends

grave valley
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first more airdrops would create an unbalance in the meta, with more op weapons, and by worse loot airdrops cant really have worse loot since all they drop are mythics

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also, if people cant see the airdrop on the map there is no point in having them, the reason why there are airdrops is to increase fights as people battle over loot, anyways this will make airdrops hard to find

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i think that the 2 meds and utility the airdrop drops is plenty for the endgame, seriously people dont carry that much meds in their inventory, most pros carry 1 or 2

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and for nades, they are very common so i dont see a reason in putting more in

ruby cloak
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usually carry one

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cause you need to use another slot for nades

grave valley
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yeah ikr, airdrops are fine

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balanced

ruby cloak
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except when they give you two bandages .-.

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and an xm8

grave valley
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yeah that kinda sucks, although i do kinda like the xm8 😉

fallow glacier
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should we have a season weapon

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like the trident or thor hammer

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cuz the game is boring without extra weapons to join the action

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but the game is ok

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so dont change anything elso

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hmm

cobalt zephyr
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sup

flint crater
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@fallow glacier is right

tired roost
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make 'friends' an interface to communicate with friends

cobalt zephyr
#

E

pale barn
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yeah

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i get that but i have gotten some gold wepons in airdrops

grave valley
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thats not possible tho, never happened to anyone

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the loot pool for airdrop weapons are: xm8, crossbow, m36, awp, vector

rich matrix
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anybody here

signal sorrel
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Hi

woven oasis
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@pale barn that only happens in 50v50

pale barn
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oops my b had caps lock on

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who here would want a 20v20v20v20v20 mode

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or 25v25v25v25

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33v33v33

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or somthing like that

tired roost
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'recent players' and 'friend requests' tabs have a different name than the one in the center; the 'friends list' where you ask to join game and delete option. make the game better at zombs name and id and profiles and chat.

pale barn
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thats smart

sterile cradle
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They should have matchmaking becuase i get like 5 kills on noobs and 3 on decents and 2 on pro people almost everygame

grave valley
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those modes that you want are good ideas, although...

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server costdwydgawdyag d9 DW89d w

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yeah and im pretty that thos ideas will get repetitive

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if there was skilled base matchmaking pro lobbies will be empty, where as noob lobbies would be stacked with people and the devs would need more servers to fit all the noobs in

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anyways if that happened most pros would probably smurf and drop 40 bombs on noobs

quaint needle
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they should add a 4 teams mode

fossil kernel
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pay attention to your game

sharp pond
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Lmao

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Add more modes to mystery like AR, SMG and uniques maybe

night thunder
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pls add player profiles cuze I can't see other players profile pls!!!!

woven oasis
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@fossil kernel ZR isn't the only game EndGame is working on. They have at least 3 more games still in development, so please be patient. It's already good enough what they're doing right now.

cursive siren
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@woven oasis is right. Making ZombsRoyale and keeping it running is probably hard enough for Yangliu and EndGame

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but yeah a 4 teams mode would rock, also bring back the crystal clash ltm mode

lilac moss
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Hi

pale barn
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hiya

ruby cloak
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Hi! GlitchySmile

hoary gate
bold canyon
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;profile

cobalt zephyr
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vault goo gun

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its too op

dusky summit
#

h

lilac moss
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Yes

idle breach
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no way 3nuf would be mad

lilac moss
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No I’m not gonna Be Mad

young pond
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Fix ur game

ruby cloak
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Wow what a great suggestion

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||honestly I hate these people||

vague maple
#

w

#

w

#

w

#

w

cobalt zephyr
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@tidal sage

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r u there

ruby cloak
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Yeah just don’t ping him

junior saddle
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i feel like the 2 arrow crossbow is a little too much, its still your call tho

prime swan
#

ello

dusky summit
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g'

bronze cliff
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i feel like the 2 arrow crossbow is a little too much, its still your call tho
The X-bow's slow projectile speed and fairly slow fire rate balance out its damage IMO

bitter tulip
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Decrease the Silenced Smg's Range and Nerf damage by
-1.15 for both rarities

mighty drift
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Almost no one Uses A flamethrower anymore

safe blaze
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Creeper, AWW MAN

torn rivet
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can pc and mobile players play in different servers because it’s not fair they have advantage if there good @scarlet bone @rose lion

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@everyone who else agrees

celest jungle
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A0LR #5380

rocky frigate
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I love the flame thrower

tired crescent
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@torn rivet no man me being mobile myself i can beat many pc players plus u can’t play against them in solo which sux so practice more

ruby cloak
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  1. If pc and mobile played in different servers, that would mean players who were on different devices would not be able to match up and party up together.
  2. The mobile disadvantage is mostly a myth. Although mobile may have a smaller screen, pc has to reach the buttons across the keyboard. Plus, most of the people I’ve seen who played pc and mobile actually preferred mobile, as for convenice and because they don’t have to move their fingers around so much.
  3. Did you really think that pinging everyone including the devs would work? Sigh
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I spent waaay too long on that

zenith spoke
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Pls

ruby cloak
#

Pls what?

cobalt zephyr
#

He asks for being banned

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🤣😂🤣

woeful garnet
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Why ping at everyone?

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Just wow.

cobalt zephyr
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Okay I got some

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Nerf the p90, its cancerous

bronze cliff
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It's a legendary weapon
It's supposed to be super powerful

cobalt zephyr
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Nerf the Xm8, it does too much damage for its firerate

bronze cliff
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If the P90 was nerfed, everybody would choose shotguns instead

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And once again, the XM8 is an airdrop weapon; it's supposed to be insanely good 😄

cobalt zephyr
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Vault the goo gun for obvious reasons

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@bronze cliff ik

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Xm8 is broken

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MG36 is in airdrop

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And it's not that good

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P90 out sprays the Vector

bronze cliff
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Vault the goo gun for obvious reasons

For obvious reasons? What are the reasons?
The goo gun is the definition of a properly balanced weapon IMO

It's powerful, but requires skill to hit your opponent because of its slow bullet speed

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And yeah, MG36 definitely needs either a buff or a vault

cobalt zephyr
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Dude, goo gun was fair when it first came out

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Now, the spread is insane

bronze cliff
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has it ever been changed since it first came out?

cobalt zephyr
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Yeah

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It used to not shoot 3 bullets

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Wait no

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It used to do flamethrower dmg

bronze cliff
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Isn't it about in the right spot, powerwise, right now?
It's fairly hard to hit people with it

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I think it's about perfect as is

cobalt zephyr
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Meh

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Bring back Trident, I loved it

celest jungle
#

hello nature buster

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you there?

#

@inland garnet

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@inland garnet

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@inland garnet@inland garnet@inland garnet@inland garnet

inland garnet
#

yes

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im back

celest jungle
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ok

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@robust gyro@robust gyro@robust gyro

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i went to the afghanistan war before

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a woman

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blew my balls off with a bomb

inland garnet
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I got C4 im my undies!

celest jungle
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i got C4 in my hoodie!

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hey nature

inland garnet
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yes

celest jungle
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lets stop

inland garnet
#

I have Ebolalala!

cobalt zephyr
#

e

#

e

dusky summit
#

b

grand nexus
#

b

cobalt zephyr
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P

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; -(

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NO

shell mist
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😛

meager heath
#

You guys should really stop.

ruby cloak
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I’ve seen worse tbh lmao

hoary breach
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halo

junior saddle
#

hi

smoky meteor
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More deagle gamage

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Damage

bronze cliff
#

how much more?
The deagle can already almost kill someone in two shots

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It's kind of like a semi-auto but with much better fire rate and bullet speed

empty fiber
#

Yo

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Anyone

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Hi

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Anyone just respond

woven oasis
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Why

empty fiber
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Hi

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So

woven oasis
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This channel is for game balance, where people suggest ways to balance certain over or underpowered weapons

empty fiber
#

I

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I

woven oasis
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Saying 'hi' doesn't contribute

empty fiber
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I

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Sorry

woven oasis
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Say something like 'P90 op'

feral epoch
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bruh stop spamming every channel

woven oasis
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Jk silenced op as frick

feral epoch
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Minigun too op

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Like lower the ammo it can hold a bit

woven oasis
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Mini gun not op

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You just trapped youself

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Mini gun only op when in close range, because escaping the flurry of bullets gets almost impossible

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Easy to take down because of its slow start-up, get the first shot with your own close range

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Plus movement is extremely slowed, so take advantage of that

feral epoch
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true your right

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thing is tho i feel like it shouldn't have 200 ammo in one clip

woven oasis
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I guess

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But that fire rate burns through it p fast if it was lowet

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And theres not much point because its already underpowered

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So nerfing an already bad weapon is a bit overkill

feral epoch
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true i guess

empty fiber
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Bye

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Hahahaha

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Lmao

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Hahahahahaha

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Hahaha

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Hahaha

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Hahahahahahaha

woven oasis
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Bruh

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Stop

empty fiber
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Lmaoooo

feral epoch
#

bruh sotp spamming

empty fiber
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Hahahahahhahahahahah

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Hahahahahhahaha

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Hahahahahahahaha

woven oasis
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@empty fiber spamming is not allowed, you could get muted for that

empty fiber
#

Hahahaha

woven oasis
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Seriously

empty fiber
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Ok

feral epoch
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@empty fiber

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stop plz

woven oasis
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He alr did

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Lel

feral epoch
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thank goodness

woven oasis
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A bit attention seeking this one

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No matter, people grow and change

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Unless?

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😳

dusky summit
#

mm

cobalt zephyr
pale oak
#

@cobalt zephyr Lmao

cobalt zephyr
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@pale oak nop

pale oak
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Stop being annoying @cobalt zephyr

cobalt zephyr
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@pale oak I did not do anything

pale oak
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Ok

cobalt zephyr
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what is your problem@pale oak

tired roost
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red sniper is too op - full health to almost nothing

pale oak
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Dont ping me

cobalt zephyr
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@tired roost k

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@pale oak you stupid asole

pale oak
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Ok

cobalt zephyr
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@cobalt zephyr
Bad words=Ban😉

gleaming cedar
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join

cobalt zephyr
#

This small irrelevant things can cuz problem

tired roost
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shellshock sucked, sorry

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for a sec, it looked like a new zombs, i was like 'uhh-ooh' ☣

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i was hoping if they had the friends experienced fixed on that game.

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making friends on zombs is useless

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its fun, but useless

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^^somehow make this part of the suggestions and report a problem rooms

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i can see 3-6 people to invite, many others in game, most offline - no way to communicate with any of them??? is it just me or is this totally broken? fix friends experience

grave valley
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i mostly communicate with my zombs friends on discord

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not on zombs

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anyways you can wait for them to finish their game and then invite them

ruby cloak
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Yeah that’s annoying

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Also mabye a way to communicate with them outside of game lobbies?

vivid ivy
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buff creeper

woven oasis
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@tired roost thats the point, its a powerful sniper. you need to practice strafing and pull your opponent closer to use your own weapons more effectively.

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usually the AWP is quite easy to deal with when you drag them closer

tired roost
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kinda, when you have no view of a player, they are just waiting for you to hit that sweet spot 'in the clear' then out of no where you take your first plink, instantly shields gone and your health is down to 1/8th. wtf @woven oasis; when your hit by the first shot; your hit.

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its whatever, op? yah

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does the rocket launcher even get that much damage?

spiral fern
woven oasis
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@tired roost rocket launcher does 90 splash plus 2-5 g depending on rarity. And the damage isn't really that too op, snipers also do around 70++ damage. Idt a few hit points matter much, so unless you want to nerf all snipers, this damage is standard

meager heath
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I think splash damage for Rocket Launcher should be nerfed.

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If you literally mis-fire into a object too near you, and it explodes, you're screwed.

tired roost
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ok, 70++ with a regular one? then with the best red one 'mythic' would it be 75?

woven oasis
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At uncommon, Bolt action des about 68, with each rarity the damage increases by around 2, 70 at rare, 72 at epic and 74 at legendary. The Dragunov does about 77, and the AWP does 80. I understand that the range might be another factor but keep in mind, it's only by about 4 tiles, so with proper movement, it doesn't really matter

meager heath
#

At least nerf damage to the user?

tired roost
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i like the rocket launcher, its really fair

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you can hurt yourself when not being careful

woven oasis
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No, the point of rpgs is to have a high risk hi reward system, people would just self RPG themselves at close range and take less damage for themselves

tired roost
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maybe the balance is when more than 4 tiles out, they get weaker

woven oasis
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I don't find that necessary, the AWP can only appear at maximum 3 times in one game, and even then it sometimes doesn't show up. The reason why its so powerful is because its exclusive.

tired roost
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its not that big a deal, cuz its not a lop sided,everytime i walk outside or something

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i am kool with all the gun stuff

woven oasis
#

Similar to most Airdrop weapons (minus MG36 cuz its pretty bad), the AWP is rightfully very powerful.

tired roost
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i dont like getting nerfed, myself but hey...

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my only real complaint is the friends system

woven oasis
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Idk man, you've said that many times I still don't understand your English

tired roost
#

the ui needs a simple way to send friends chat in game or on homepage; thats all

woven oasis
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I get that the friends system needs an overhaul, but a lot of factors need to be put into play, like design, functionality and overall performance. Team chat was a thing that was removed, but I thing because it was causing some bugs in 50v50.

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You may need to give them time

tired roost
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i am a fan of the game

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i am ready to jump on a 'new build' that has a better chat system

cobalt zephyr
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@cobalt zephyr wtf

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!!?

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Its a rule

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If u say bad words

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U get banned

gloomy stag
#

Yes

olive bolt
#

@woven oasis The MG36 isn't that bad, you're just trading damage/DPS (compared to Scoped M4 and Silenced AR) for magazine size. It's actually kinda useful for 1v1s or AR spamming because you don't have to reload as often.

rocky frigate
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On mobile, Remove the auto shooting on the semi auto sniper, makes the gun really useless when you try to aim and time your shots but bullets randomly come out

ruby cloak
#

Come to think of it, all of the auto shooting shouldn’t be there

random vortex
#

hi

ruby cloak
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Hi GlitchySmile

cobalt zephyr
#

Yes don't let the crossbow auto shoot kinda gets alitle ennoying when your trying to aim the. It just shoots yoir like😭 rekt for .e

waxen steeple
#

do a way to trade things like skin and stuff like that bcs the game would be fun if u could trade stuff

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u can trade skin et...

cobalt zephyr
#

Put all mobile players in one server and PC to players in another server because putting them together isn’t fair noobhammer

dense path
#

Why not?

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I play on both

cobalt zephyr
#

But Pc players have and add vantage

dense path
#

Advantage

cobalt zephyr
#

Lol

dense path
#

Yet

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Yeet

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Not yet

#

Gtg bye

woven oasis
#

@cobalt zephyr that actually happens, it's just when servers aren't filling up, they mix them together

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Or if a pc invites a mobile to play duos

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And etc.

cobalt zephyr
#

Oh

dense path
#

Ta da!

supple veldt
#

Remove the X-Bow auto shooting its annoying especially when your trying to aim like a bolt

heavy basalt
lean knot
#

Hmmmm🤔 I was thinking if Zombs Community could wip up a new REGION: Middle EAST for African players could be quite helpful as my internet is 100mbps which is good but i still get 140 ping which is quite slow and not smooth it would be easier for for ppl in Africa.Because in other games like Fortnite have MIDDLE EAST Regions and i get at least 80 ms which is much smoother.Thank you i hope THis Message reaches the community and can use it to make another Region 😉 .Btw My Closest Region is Europe 🇪🇺 👍

grave valley
#

0.3

summer wyvern
#

nerf ball gu

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goo gun

hoary summit
#

Lol

#

🥞 🥞 🥞

#

Hi

gusty whale
#

!кфтл

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!кфтл

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!rank

cobalt zephyr
#

I think you should nerf minigun

grave valley
#

minigun is pretty trash, insane spread, low damage, it goes through its clip very fast

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not many people use it

ruby cloak
#

“Goes through its clip pretty fast” err you sure?

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Also you just described the mechanics of a minigun

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It’s kinda a weapon for noobs who can’t aim tbh

half grail
#

Just because it annoys u doesn’t mean it needs to be nerfed

grave valley
#

its goes through pretty fast for a gun with 200 ammo per clip

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it probably needs a buff

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instead of a nerf

ruby cloak
#

Well it goes through it’s clip fast because it has insane+ firerate, which compensates for its wide spread

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Also it’s bullets go pretty far

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Essentially making the minigun a spam weapon

cobalt zephyr
#

yr been killed by the rang many times

cobalt zephyr
#

No it needs a nerf

south bluff
#

hi play ?

steady fjord
#

Make fair playing field by sorting by skills

grand nexus
#

no fuq off

cobalt zephyr
#

This game should have a item shop that cost coins like fortnite. Not just bunch of cases that we have to open up. We should be able to buy our stuff and knowing what we will get. Not buying a case and dont know what u are about to get.

cobalt zephyr
#

@half phoenix

half phoenix
#

@cobalt zephyr

cobalt zephyr
#

@half phoenix

#

@cobalt zephyr

ruby cloak
unique vigil
#

@ruby cloak

ruby cloak
#

@unique vigil

unique vigil
#

Yeah

lavish dirge
#

Nerf the goo gun a little, there was this guy just spamming the goo gun at a door maybe increase the reload time

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+rubber gun needs a nerf

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Idk

iron wedge
#

lol

tired roost
#

add a weight system, so each item you carry effects your movement speed; 1- a player without any load out will out run 2- a player with all slots full of inventory and ammo counts (being the slowest you can go: max capacity) - Then, what you carry becomes a strategy.

rocky frigate
#

hmmmm

ruby cloak
#

That would be bothersome lmao

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Cool tho

cobalt zephyr
#

assswa

oak yarrow
#

pls vault goo gun

rocky frigate
#

no

cobalt zephyr
#

No

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🇳 🇴

ruby cloak
#

NO

rancid urchin
#

Yes

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I think it's too powerful

ruby cloak
#

If a gun is broken, you don’t just vault it. You nerf/buff it and improve the game

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Also it’s kinda like a rocket launcher v2. Slow bullets, easy to dodge, bad consequences if you get hit

wise talon
#

can you plese update game

ruby cloak
#

Wdym

#

Oh

cobalt zephyr
#

@cobalt zephyr

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Y u block

proper geode
#

make the semi-auto sniper actually semi-auto

ruby cloak
#

lmao true

cobalt zephyr
#

#1 in battle royale

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En duo

half phoenix
#

@cobalt zephyr

cobalt zephyr
#

?!

ruby cloak
#

.-.

surreal nexus
#

a

cobalt zephyr
#

@Sherlock Holmeboi#5006 what

#

#EVERYONE

cobalt zephyr
#

goo gun need to be nerft alot

tropic stone
#

Ye

cobalt zephyr
#

thank u

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nad loncher shold be buf 2 75 dameg per nad

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coz other wiz it is bacicly usless

woven oasis
#

@cobalt zephyr Goo Gun, in my opinion, is as good as it needs to be. Firstly, it's a Legendary weapon. It's meant to be pretty powerful, despite other legendary weapons (AHEM grenade launcher AHEM) being a little underpowered. Another thing is its bullet velocity (how fast the bullets go) which is quite slow, making it relatively easy to dodge so long as you react quickly. It's range is also terrible, which makes it easier to deal with when you're sniping. Almost any other alternative method does a higher DPS than the Goo Gun; if you AR spam then you should be able to take off a larger chunk of your opponents health. And lastly, the normal response after getting shot by a Goo Gun is to run - but DO NOT DO THIS. The Goo Gun's novelty lies in its panic factor: your screen shakes like an earthquake when you're taking damage, shocking even skilled players. The most important thing to do is to keep your cool. This way, you can effectively decide on the fastest way to get rid of them so that they can't Goo you anymore.

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If it really needs a nerf, I would say reducing its spray. It makes it easier to dodge as the streams of Goo are more compact, and maybe reduce its range a little too.

cobalt zephyr
#

kk i agry

short rapids
#

hi

grand nexus
#

yeah

#

well said lole

cobalt zephyr
#

Ninja stars needs to be nerfed

#

They are op

ruby cloak
#

Well the big disadvantage they have is that you can only hold thirty ninja stars (in 6 bursts) at one time

#

That IS the nerf

open nymph
#

reduce the damage of P90 at close range. It does like 10-12 and has 40 bullets and shoots rapidly fast. 10x40 if 100% accuracy is 400 damage to 1 person. even if it was 50% it'll be 200 damage. :/

cobalt zephyr
#

Snipers news nerf

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😂

toxic ruin
#

Pistols should be buffed because pistols are short ranged weapons and are easily out matched by the p90.

sterile cradle
#

Goo gun nerf

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Grenades too

ruby cloak
#

Mabye decrease the spread of the goo gun?

#

The damage isn’t actually that bad but it’s relatively easy to hit people even with the slow bullet speed

hoary summit
#

Sherop kids

cobalt zephyr
#

keep the p90

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its a good gun if you know how to use it (a little like every other gun in the game)

#

@cobalt zephyr why does ur pfp look familiar

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did u play ss

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i never played for them no

#

i think i have scrimed them

#

@cobalt zephyr

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im not trying to advertise another game

#

no

#

aight

woven oasis
#

@ruby cloak actually you can stack to 90 now

plush fog
#

me team noobs

tired roost
#

i getting double teamed , every other game in solos???

#

its a total joke

#

not pinched, two players working together - shameless

#

does reporting do anything?

cobalt zephyr
#

well its a battle royale

#

you can play how you want to play

clear flare
#

@clear flare

#

s

#

sssssssss

tired roost
#

you can play how you want to play and get rid of the option of duo and squad

#

then it would make more sense

summer dew
#

then play solo bruh

fast scarab
#

yeet

golden dove
#

If we get duplicates, we should get the full 100 coins back or else its a huge waste

tropic stone
#

Just no duplicates

cobalt zephyr
#

lmao i love how it says complaining and salt at the top

glad aurora
#

lol

ocean trench
#

nerf minigun

cobalt zephyr
#

Ya

#

Nerf minigun

woven oasis
#

A Serious Critique of Weapons with Nerfs Frequently Requested

Goo Gun
Many have asked for this to be nerfed. Personally, I think it's fine. But in all seriousness, it does deal a large amount of damage with a few shots, mostly due to its large spray and hit box.
Suggested nerf:
PLEASE DON'T reduce its overall poison damage. It will make it another useless Legendary weapon. Instead, decrease the spread by a lot. This makes the Goo Gun more skill based and prediction reliant. Also, reduce its range. This helps other medium/close range weapons to more effectively combat the Goo Gun and encourage more creative plays.

P90
This gun is just fast. That's all there is. Terrible damage and extreme drop-off are only saved by its raw speed and large clip. Its reload time is already longer than most SMGs, so that already hurts its consistency. The only reason why the P90 is presumably "OP" I can think of is its large clip, making its very spammable. Imagine a miniature Mini gun (Mini-mini gun? lmao)
Suggested nerf:
Vault the epic P90. Make it rarer and give it Legendary status, so that if anyone complains, say that it's supposed to be that way: it's Legendary.

Silenced SMG
Even I have to agree, it's broken. It does 14 - 9/15 - 10 damage with a high fire rate. Even an Legendary MP5 can't compare to a rare Silenced SMG.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce its damage BY ONE, and augment its drop-off such that it is most effective within 5 tiles of the enemy. This encourages close engagement and punishes poor strafing, so that other SMGs have a better chance ate winning. Outside of this range, make it absolutely useless.

ionic imp
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hello

cobalt zephyr
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xd

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join em

ruby cloak
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Got octa-teaming once

cobalt zephyr
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8 teamed

tired roost
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defend them please

cobalt zephyr
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that’s a big oof

ruby cloak
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I would have killed them if I wasn’t so noob back then

tired roost
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its sad

summer dew
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@cobalt zephyr no-one was joining it was dead.

toxic ruin
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oof

summer dew
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oof

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are u even in it

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?

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@cobalt zephyr

agile jacinth
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hey I think there should be a thing added to the game where in the top left corner of the screen where your level is located, the little badge thing should change when you reach certain levels. Example: Level 0, simple badge, level 20, like silver badge.

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just a thought

tropic stone
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That could be nice

cobalt zephyr
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I really want to be able to trade cosmetics

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That would be an awesome Update

merry patio
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ya

cobalt zephyr
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Yes

grave valley
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trading cosmetics would be against apple policies and it would allow scammers to easily scam cosmetics so thats a no

half grail
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#Bring back trident

cobalt zephyr
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YES

woven oasis
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no

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trident was extremely powerful and almost game breaking. It went through 2 nerfs yet it still remained that powerful.

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Plus it won't make sense anymore, nautical season is over

grave valley
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im kinda glad that the devs havent put out any op weapons that only spawn once per match

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because the trident and thors hammer were op

ruby cloak
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Yee

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Trident made sniping too easy

cobalt zephyr
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F

sonic shore
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reduce range of impulses

frosty tide
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nerf googuns spread or over all damage its deals 30 per round of ticks if sprayed it does ridulicous amount of damage

acoustic meadow
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no

frosty tide
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ball guns should be vaulted in addition to another addition such as bouncing ar mythical 13 damage bounces 2-3

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or bouncing sniper which in cause with out 3 bounce increasing damage per bounce no pounce 75 damage slower than awp one bounce 95 2 bounce 125 with a reload time 2-3 seconds

tropic stone
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I think it’s best to keep just one gun with bouncing bullets

frosty tide
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i mean one or the other

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mutiple choices

tropic stone
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Well, it’s a gun meant for close range, so a sniper wouldn’t rlly suit it

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It’s ok how it is

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But I agree with you 100% on the goo gun thing

frosty tide
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i mean possiblities on trickshot would improve and make players who like the ballgun try sniper in result creating a better player

tropic stone
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Perhaps

frosty tide
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also from a 11-12 on flamethrower to a 5-6 would be reasonable and maybe reduce the tic down a bit

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Silenced SMG
Even I have to agree, it's broken. It does 14 - 9/15 - 10 damage with a high fire rate. Even an Legendary MP5 can't compare to a rare Silenced SMG.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce its damage BY ONE, and augment its drop-off such that it is most effective within 5 tiles of the enemy. This encourages close engagement and punishes poor strafing, so that other SMGs have a better chance ate winning. Outside of this range, make it absolutely useless.

tropic stone
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I love it how it is, op
But yea it should probably get a balancing nerf

frosty tide
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idk about ump

tropic stone
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I never use ump

frosty tide
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the ump was a bit op

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same

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grey shotgun over a purple ump

tropic stone
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:/

frosty tide
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almost forgot minigun

woven oasis
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Oi

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Isn't that

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My silenced SMG thing

frosty tide
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the mini gun should be vaulted if not we should make reload time more or make each bullet worth 2 mini amo is 200 case 100 bullets or make damge per bullet id like to see be vaulted

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ye

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i liked

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so copy pasted

woven oasis
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cool

frosty tide
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forgot to give credit

woven oasis
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Wait

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Lemme redo the entire msg but add ur stuff in

frosty tide
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ty zoobat

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nerf googuns spread or over all damage its deals 30 per round of ticks if sprayed it does ridulicous amount of damage.ball guns should be vaulted in addition to another addition such as bouncing ar mythical 13 damage bounces 2-3
or bouncing sniper which in cause with out 3 bounce increasing damage per bounce no pounce 75 damage slower than awp one bounce 95 2 bounce 125 with a reload time 2-3 secondsi mean possiblities on trickshot would improve and make players who like the ballgun try sniper in result creating a better player.also from a 11-12 on flamethrower to a 5-6 would be reasonable and maybe reduce the tic down a bit
Silenced SMG
Even I have to agree, it's broken. It does 14 - 9/15 - 10 damage with a high fire rate. Even an Legendary MP5 can't compare to a rare Silenced SMG.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce its damage BY ONE, and augment its drop-off such that it is most effective within 5 tiles of the enemy. This encourages close engagement and punishes poor strafing, so that other SMGs have a better chance ate winning. Outside of this range, make it absolutely useless.also from a 11-12 on flamethrower to a 5-6 would be reasonable and maybe reduce the tic down a bit
Silenced SMG
Even I have to agree, it's broken. It does 14 - 9/15 - 10 damage with a high fire rate. Even an Legendary MP5 can't compare to a rare Silenced SMG.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce its damage BY ONE, and augment its drop-off such that it is most effective within 5 tiles of the enemy. This encourages close engagement and punishes poor strafing, so that other SMGs have a better chance ate winning. Outside of this range, make it absolutely useless.

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A Serious Critique of Weapons with Nerfs Frequently Requested

Goo Gun
Many have asked for this to be nerfed. Personally, I think it's fine. But in all seriousness, it does deal a large amount of damage with a few shots, mostly due to its large spray and hit box.
Suggested nerf:
PLEASE DON'T reduce its overall poison damage. It will make it another useless Legendary weapon. Instead, decrease the spread by a lot. This makes the Goo Gun more skill based and prediction reliant. Also, reduce its range. This helps other medium/close range weapons to more effectively combat the Goo Gun and encourage more creative plays.
Further Suggestion (Credit to @Nicholas):
Reduce the length of damage to about 10 per bullet (maximum 60 dmg if all bullets hit)

P90
This gun is just fast. That's all there is. Terrible damage and extreme drop-off are only saved by its raw speed and large clip. Its reload time is already longer than most SMGs, so that already hurts its consistency. The only reason why the P90 is presumably "OP" I can think of is its large clip, making its very spammable. Imagine a miniature Mini gun (Mini-mini gun? lmao)
Suggested nerf:
Vault the epic P90. Make it rarer and give it Legendary status, so that if anyone complains, say that it's supposed to be that way: it's Legendary.

Silenced SMG
Even I have to agree, it's broken. It does 14 - 9/15 - 10 damage with a high fire rate. Even an Legendary MP5 can't compare to a rare Silenced SMG.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce its damage BY ONE, and augment its drop-off such that it is most effective within 5 tiles of the enemy. This encourages close engagement and punishes poor strafing, so that other SMGs have a better chance ate winning. Outside of this range, make it absolutely useless.

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Minigun (Credit @Nicholas)
In my own opinion, its pretty bad already. But people still want it nerfed, and I guess it does an insane amount of damage with its fire rate, despite the gun slowing you down to a crawl when at full speed.
Suggested nerf:
Reduce ammo capacity to 150 bullets, and increase start-up time. This makes it less spammable and harder to use without risking your opponent doing a counter-attack. However, to balance this out, increase the bullet's hitbox. This makes it harder to escape the volley of bullets once it manages to fire.

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ugh copy paste succc

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Credit to @frosty tide for contributing some ideas ^

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I don't really want to address that cuz imo I think it's already quite bad

frosty tide
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cya

woven oasis
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Bb

mighty sedge
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Hi

grand nexus
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hi

hazy junco
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Team

quiet gust
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can somebody explain why these umps and pistols are so ovepowered

cobalt zephyr
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🙄

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They re NOT

quiet gust
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this ump does 15 damage at farthest range

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thats a red scar

cobalt zephyr
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No

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Ump

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Is low ranged

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Thats a type of balance

quiet gust
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2 tiles of lower range does not make up for 15 damage lmao

cobalt zephyr
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Ar shoots more than u see

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But ump is low ranged

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If so

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Pump

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Has 100 damage at near

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Should we say vault pump

quiet gust
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no, only if at point blank

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at mid range it can do maybe 30

cobalt zephyr
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So

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Balance is on

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Its clear that some weapons are realy strong

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But if they were the same

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Ppl

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Wont use diff types

quiet gust
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u got a point

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ok i have been proven wrong

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b u t r u b b e r g u n i s s t i l l d u m b

woven oasis
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@quiet gust actually no

quiet gust
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lets hear this one

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-listening intensifies-

woven oasis
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Base damage is 9, every bounce is +5 max 29 (I think). Rubber gun is most effective when shot at a distance into an enclosed area, and not a lot of houses offer that kind of space. Either rush your opponent (it has a terrible fire rate, so you might as well just tank the hits) or get out of the house. Granted, in a third party situation, it would be difficult to escape. But aren't they all?

quiet gust
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wait it got nerfed?

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i thought max was 50

woven oasis
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Nope

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It got ultra nerfed

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When was the last time u played lmao this was ages ago

quiet gust
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ive been playing it just never hit my radar i guesss lmao

woven oasis
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I remember it used to do 60+ loo

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why use a sniper when you can rubber gun rng? 100% skill

quiet gust
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yes of course

woven oasis
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But then they nerfed it to Heck so now it's p useless

quiet gust
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just how it should be

woven oasis
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I really liked the concept tho

quiet gust
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yes but they pulled it off terribly

woven oasis
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Too bad it's so spammable

quiet gust
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it should not get more damage with each bounce, just be consistent

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12 damage no matter how many bounces,

woven oasis
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Idt they did a bad job, they just didn't expect this kind of spam

quiet gust
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yea

woven oasis
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And that is where I disagree

quiet gust
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just how the gun was, just no added damage

woven oasis
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I don't like the idea of consistent damage

quiet gust
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why not

woven oasis
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Because then it would be more widely used as an alternative AR with an added perk. Suppose it does 12 per shot - that means an SMG with relatively high fire rate going more than 20 tiles with 0 drop-off, PLUS you get to cheese people who hide in corners with only one bounce. I think a poor initial damage was a good choice.

quiet gust
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i kinda get that

woven oasis
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New AR meta with ultimate chip damage

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Meanwhile, at its current pace, its definitely not going to pass by with I initial damage, but its purpose (bouncing to get interesting shots) is emphasised with its increased damage.