I've seen people usually go in houses and pump every time someone tries to open the door
#game-balance
cobalt zephyr
rigid orchid
Only problem is the tiny delay between shots gives a time frame to spray
cobalt zephyr
It's very effective if you are fast enough
Yeah that used to be non existent
Then the devs saw the pump was too op so nerf
rigid orchid
Shotguns need to be brought back imo
cobalt zephyr
The pump used to be around tac speed
rigid orchid
Jesus
cobalt zephyr
And it's pellets used to travel farther
That was at the very beginning though
It made sense a nerf was coming
cobalt zephyr
But at the beginning everyone used to carry a pump
Not really
The pump was so fast that really wasn't needed
cobalt zephyr
And even if people tried it now it would lose to any gun faster than it
I think you'd need to be pretty close for a double pump anyways to be effective at all.
rigid orchid
Ill try practicing it today and if it doesn't work Ill go back to SMG
cobalt zephyr
And everyone carries smg of some kind
The normal smg is underated now
It does way more damage than the p90 but it gets beat in speed and magazine size. Oof
Burst smg still sucks to me though
rigid orchid
I take Purple SMG over any P90
cobalt zephyr
Exactly
rigid orchid
Yeah i don't think people use burst
rigid orchid
Does most damage out of all of them
cobalt zephyr
Burst smg isn't that good in close combat
It's still better than the tommy gun though
Remember when everyone was excited for the tommy gun.
rigid orchid
I use it lol
cobalt zephyr
👀
cobalt zephyr
Oof
humble frigate
So tommy gun is actually very bad
Still remember that I replace a epic smg and took the rare tommy gun instead
I was always doing stuff like that until I saw someone said it's bad
rigid orchid
I honestly don't care, I still love the Tommy Gun xD
iron lark
Yeah Tommy guns I ignore now.
humble frigate
@iron lark me too
tough rock
oof
rigid orchid
@quiet basalt Check the pinned messages in this channel
quiet basalt
im pretty sure he gathered that data in-game, just like me. it isnt official
quiet basalt
lmao
iron lark
I think leadbraw is pointing out the use of moderator powers to artificially promote one sheet over the other. That said, leadbraw, and all honesty his is more detailed.
quiet basalt
it is, and i never said it wasnt
iron lark
Though I still would like to see the accuracy of the rof calculations in his demonstrated
He's getting me those videos when available
tawny mortar
Meh, I personally like your sheets too but coolbot wants to like combine all your guy’s sheets into one mega sheet
iron lark
My sheet is far from finished.
quiet basalt
just wanted people to know that nothing is official, despite what some people have been saying
iron lark
I'm in contact with him though and discuss it.
tawny mortar
Ye, it’s not official
iron lark
I'll ask about sheet collaboration
somber patrol
@iron lark there's no artificial inflation of sheets, the one pinned is just the first statsheet that was completed and it's been up there since
quiet basalt
... it wasnt though
somber patrol
oh sorry, shoulda tagged lead
quiet basalt
thats his updated one, which was completed after mine
tawny mortar
It’s the same one, just modified a lot
somber patrol
^^
tawny mortar
So it’s been pinned from b4
iron lark
Lead by that argument every time someone modifies something it is now the later one
And that's problematic
rigid orchid
snaps
somber patrol
thank you for the contribution, tempest
rigid orchid
Np
iron lark
I agree your sheet was super useful. The format of Google drive is simply less preferable to an image.
somber patrol
that's your opinion
rigid orchid
I agree with the mods tho the pinned one should be considered a little more reliable than Lead's
iron lark
Like. I have the image downloaded for use anytime, offline or online, and it's all in one sheet
rigid orchid
Since the data tracked was a combination of Lead's data and other people's data, as well
iron lark
If he took data from lead he should credit him.
somber patrol
rigid orchid
Which can give a little better sense of verification if all of the other sheets were similar
somber patrol
yeah, this one was fully updated since i think before lead joined the server lmao
iron lark
But credit should be given where it's due of applicable
tawny mortar
Tbh, only like 1% of the players will look at the sheets and use them
iron lark
Eh. Accreditation gives incentive to work
Not much point doing anything is some moderator is just going to take it and give no credit
tawny mortar
It’s all just spray and pray for the casual players
iron lark
1% of a big number is a lot
somber patrol
coolbot gathers his own data, he simply used your values as a placeholder until he could find the time to do it himself
at least that's what im getting out of that message
rigid orchid
that's what he did mean
somber patrol
also, its literally the exact same numbers.
quiet basalt
some of u are tryna paint me as super jealous that someone else made a sheet, which i am absolutely not, its good to see someone else made one with more data. I was only trying to clear up confusion that people thought it was 'official' simply because it was pinned. I personally wont use his chart not because im angry or jealous, just that I am not sure about the "true-ness" of some of his data. stuff like that is too hard to measure, which is why i used a different scale for those charts. im not holding a grudge about other people using a diff. chart, go for it
iron lark
Also in relation to sheets, I've found some major concerns with making uniform playstyles. I may take mine from a playstyle sheet and turn it into more of a guide.
quiet basalt
several people are typing...
iron lark
His method of measurement is to take videos and divide time by clip size for ROF, damage is easy, etc.
tawny mortar
@iron lark is one of the playstyles, random noob camper in house with rpg that kills himself?
quiet basalt
yes but the frame rate of the game can affect that
tawny mortar
Lol
quiet basalt
however marginally
iron lark
Lol. One of them does involve camping houses with an RPG actually lol
tawny mortar
:0
quiet basalt
and if he ever compressed them in any way that could affect the data as well
iron lark
If you, you know, don't blow yourself up, it's very effective
rigid orchid
We didn't ask whether or not you wanted to use coolbot's sheet
iron lark
This is true but a simple divide by time calculation should give results accurate to the first decimal point at the very least
So just apply significant digits
quiet basalt
tru
tawny mortar
I can’t find the clip but I saw someone die to an impulse grenade
iron lark
What. Lol
tawny mortar
Someone explain that
quiet basalt
huh
tawny mortar
If I find it I’ll dm u
somber patrol
its the devs, covering up their flaws
tawny mortar
Jim still has the video but he has to find it in 7 hours worth of footage 😦
somber patrol
?
quiet basalt
Okay
I was just thinking he should've edited it to say
That it isn't unconfirmed anymore
iron lark
Yeah maybe.
iron lark
Yeah. Bolt action and SMG are certainly a killer pairing.
quiet basalt
?
iron lark
Using a bolt action sniper rifle and a standard SMG makes for a very good pairing
Bolt action, I think, will get a permanent spot in all my personal use load outs.
And SMGs are in most situations better than ARs
cobalt zephyr
i prefer assult shotty
iron lark
The only situation they're not better in is that tiny gap where they can't shoot to the end of the screen.
cobalt zephyr
assault
iron lark
Eh. It's bad at using defenders advantage and weak to long range.
I wouldn't use it with bolt
I don't know why the devs decided to make burst SMGs hot garbage.
They shoot slower than standard SMGs, deal considerably less damage, and just generally suck a lot more.
They're a tiny bit more accurate. But that doesn't nearly cut it
The items I never touch are all shotguns other than pump, all special weapons, cactus grenades, small bandages, hunting rifle, and and every pistol and dual pistol in the game other than the revolver, burst SMGs or burst ARs (burst ARs are good in superpower tho), and smokebombs
I will completely ignore any of those items
Which is the vast majority of them lol
I think this is a balance issue
The other weapons don't need nerf. Those needs buffs.
viscid depot
iron lark
Burst weapons need an actual reason to use them. The extra damage on the ARs is marginal and the burst SMGs are just...trash
exotic thicket
Yeah their damage should be increased
iron lark
Semi auto snipers need to hit for more, high end burst ARs need to hit for 20-23, burst SMGs need to hit for 16-17 for legendary/mythic for me to consider using them.
And in my opinion hunting rifle is in a wierd spot. I'd support giving it the same FOV as the AWP, which acts as both a nerf to the AWP and a buff to the hunting rifle.
cobalt creek
hi
iron lark
Without affecting actual AWP performance and giving the hunting rifle a reason to exist
exotic thicket
I also think snipers should keep their fov in a building
quiet basalt
imo burst ARs can already melt in the hands of a good user, but they need a slight dmg buff, like instead of going from 14-19 common-mythic, perhaps a 16-21 would be better
exotic thicket
Buff smoke grenades. How about if you throw them at someone the screen gets blurry for a second
iron lark
Bursts can be good, it's just that standards have objectively higher DPS and when using a weapon like an AR, DPS is what you want.
exotic thicket
Make reverse impulse grenades radius bigger
rocky frigate
@exotic thicket I think reverse impulse grenades are balanced, if the range was increased, it would make it way too easy to pull players
rocky frigate
#suggestions btw
rocky frigate
It’s all good, it’s pretty much the same thing anyway
exotic thicket
hey lets move to general
cobalt zephyr
@quiet basalt if I just find it, cant use yours its blocked for me ._.
quiet basalt
wdym its blocked
@cobalt zephyr
can u pm me a screenshot of what happens when u click on the link?
wary iron
increase pistols
vocal radish
buff sniper, it does no damage
abstract lynx
sullen vector
True minigun sucks
humble frigate
Actually all three legendary uniques are bad
minigun: only 9 dmg and you have to shoot a while for a good shoot per second
flamethrower: the range is so bad and it only does 11 dmg plus the fire dmg that's also being nerfed (in the old version the fire does 2 dmg per sec and now it only does 1 dmg per sec)
shurikens: @! ! ! ! [SHREKT]MrSpacein it only does 80 dmg when all five shurikens are on one thing and you can only shoot 6 times (a legendary pump does over 100 so it can oneshot people without shield) so, shurikens should be buffed!! (the only thing that's good about shurikens is the far range)
AWP should do AT LEAST 100 DMG
And I think 120 dmg should be fine for AWP
@vocal radish yup
And for mobile users it's so hard to aim
vocal radish
Drum Gun shoots wayyyyyy too slow
warped viper
@humble frigate AWP shouldn't do 100 dmg :/
stray edge
hmm
spice crystal
The minigun loses to most guns
iron lark
AWP certainly should not do any more damage. Lol
humble frigate
@warped viper but you can't one-shot people
humble frigate
I think actually every sniper should be buffed a little (5-10dmg)
@warped viper what about shottys
spice crystal
No
humble frigate
Or cacti granade
warped viper
they shouldn't get a buff either
iron lark
No, bolts are fine. And if Vss did any more damage than right now it would be broken
spice crystal
^
humble frigate
But a mystical bolt doesn't do much less than AWP (AWP should do maybe 90 or 95 dmg so it doesn't one-shot people but it's just better)
Cuz Airdrop weapons is supposed to be OP right?
warped viper
@humble frigate 90 dmg* and it's for 8 bullets
and a long reload time
and small range
(and it's 90 for mythic)
iron lark
AWP is good because of its range.
dapper dome
make cactus bombs do damage or more damage for detonateing close to the enemy
humble frigate
@lament forge yup I saw it does 100 dmg
lament forge
😉
somber patrol
airdrop weapons are supposed to be good but the model you're talking about about "making weapons op" takes a lot of the skill aspect away from the game - you should be able to beat someone with better weapons than you if you're more skilled than them. after fights, most players are ~100 hp which effectively makes your vision of the awp a one shot sniper. i dont think it would take you very long after you get continuously one shotted by 120 damage awps to come back here asking us to change them back
also, any sniper shot is effectively a body shot (or a head shot because the player is all head?? but yeah) and in a game where you cannot respawn and lose all your items after you die, having the game end instantly to a single well placed shot is kinda infuriating
also think about it: you're asking for the best sniper rifle in the game, a bolt action class that is already extremely powerful and can take out a large proportion of your health almost instantly, to receive a 150% damage boost? that seems kinda broken to me
iron lark
Yeah AWP should not do any more damage than it currently does
cobalt zephyr
Mhm
winter schooner
Sean, the speaker do truth
raven otter
Nerf burst rifle and nerf p90 Damage radius because people use them like ARs for no reason
zinc dock
yeah if u cant kill someone using a P90 like an AR then ur doing something wrong
somber patrol
depends on the play style honestly
sand fable
xD
cobalt zephyr
P90 better for close range coz it do mre dmg tha wa
Ik everyone knows
But im just saying
iron lark
I was talking to space
wispy sinew
Very true Mr @cobalt zephyr
cobalt zephyr
Mhm
iron lark
Just seemed like you were responding in a way that made little sense
normal sequoia
Whats the best loadout?
cobalt zephyr
My layout got deletd coz it was "spam
@normal sequoia
1 AR
2 Sniper (bolt action is best for this)
3 SMG
4 + 5 Meds
@normal sequoia
uncut oyster
My layout @cobalt zephyr
Any SMG
Good sniper
AR
2 meds
rocky cargo
nerf AWP
cobalt zephyr
@rocky cargo nah for a sniper it's damage is balanced.
The vector has damage drop off keeping it from being too op. And the mg36 does 15 damage which isn't too hard to get away from if you're careful.
rocky cargo
AWP isn't balanced
All the supply drop items are OP
G36 is kinda balanced
If they wont nerf them then they should reduce the quantity of airdrops
in a single game
tawny mortar
There are only 2
iron lark
They already did that siejo
cobalt zephyr
@normal sequoia srry i had t go, yeah any SMG, but if you wanted to hear my exact layout it would be
1 AR burst
2 Bolt action sniper
3 SMG burst
Meds
meds
iron lark
.... Why burst SMG?
Lol. They have lower ROF, less damage, and their only redeeming quality is slightly more accuracy. Compared to normal smg
Normal SMGs are just way better.
iron lark
You can see right there. Way more damage, faster ROF
iron lark
Actually according to the chart AR-15s are basically long range SMGs
Will need to test
somber patrol
i feel like the best ar excluding the airdrop one is the normal AR
AR-15 does 1.5x ish more dps but thats more dependent on hitting your shots
i kinda feel ike when playing ar is better than the ar 15
normal drum
*80
iron lark
I was talking the AR
normal sequoia
Thanks
wet rain
i put my sniper next to my hand item
- Hand item
- Sniper
- AR
- SMG/grenades/impulse
- grenades/impulse/healing
- healing
#scrollwheelforlife
sand fable
xD mobile is too laggy for me
wet rain
@iron lark true but hard to switch weapons quickly
iron lark
Eh. Not once you're used to it.
wet rain
shotty and smg kinda same class
ur better of with healing or utility item imo @brazen totem
vocal grotto
My setup: Slot 1: AR, Slot 2: P90/SMG, Slot 3: VSS/AWP/Bolt, Slot 4: Hybrid, Slot 5: Small
@wet rain
wet rain
cool
looks like divines, should be good
i actually tried it before but i sucked with it
brazen totem
i love the vss its op
rocky cargo
@iron lark where did you get that weapon stats chart from?
I have seen it before but I lost it
rocky cargo
nerf AWP
bolt action is like perfectly balanced
its vision, its damage, it rewards people with good aim but AWP is OP
winter schooner
@wet rain bruh that's my exact loadout lol
iron lark
AWP is a little too powerful.
wary iron
its ok for beeing an airdrop weapon
smoky basalt
on the contrary, the airdrop ar feels underpowered
iron lark
Agreed
warped viper
@smoky basalt It's OP but less than Vector and AWP ^^
smoky basalt
hmm i think it has mediocre dps and not so great spread
warped viper
2 spread :v
smoky basalt
even factoring in its massive magazine
smoky basalt
just wondering how far can its bullets travel
warped viper
@smoky basalt It has more range than vss and almost all snipers and all meduim range weapons (only bolt,awp out range it from snipers tier)
@waxen cosmos #looking-for-group-old ^^
smoky basalt
so it still kinda have its merits
jolly pagoda
Id still pick a mythic scar over it
Purely due to the accuracy and that it doesnt sow you down as much when shooting
smoky basalt
according to the revamped chart
smoky basalt
ar-15 and burst ar are the better ars
smoky basalt
the chart said that burst ar and scar have the same inaccuracy
smoky basalt
it's probably rounded, but having the same value means they have at least similar inaccuracy
top loadout imo
double bolt/awp
jolly pagoda
How do you access the new chart?
smoky basalt
pin
waxen cosmos
they spawn trap me
tough rock
i hate the vss
iron lark
I think it's fine. Not game breaking.
winter schooner
I love the vss
iron lark
It needs to be fixed on mobile though
winter schooner
Yea
regal isle
@oblique juniper anything non-zr related can go to #off-topic game balance is talking about different weapons and if they are balanced.
iron lark
Also mechanics. Not just weapons, for clarity
rocky cargo
Vector and AWP is OP and you guys do something about it
I think we just discuss what is OP and what isn't
I dont see any balance updates
bleak grail
Make burst shoot .1 secs faster
smoky basalt
who has the permission to edit the weapon spreadsheet?
P90's fire rate is 16/s
and it takes a little bit less than 1.4s to reload
regal isle
i think coolbot has a spreadsheet
cobalt zephyr
!leaderboard
smoky basalt
ok
regal isle
yes noobhammer is right
daring dagger
range of p90 and tac shotty is broken
main flume
Add more us for coins i have 4670 coins
4650 i mean
Nah tac shotty is weak lacks in damage
I use pump
daring dagger
PLZ
nerf the p90!
the range is just UNBALIEVABLE
the tact shoots incredibly far
little bit shorter than bolt
wtf
iron lark
Uh. You are aware it does half damage at the end of its mediocre range, right?
Also tac is just general trash
iron ether
pliant tiger
anyone else feel like the shootguns have a really wide range
like shottys are supposed close range weapons but they have very good range
iron lark
They don't have far range at all
They're meant to have wide range though
They still suck at lock range
pliant tiger
okay just have bullet spread at a long distance
iron lark
That would be a factor if the bullets traveled a long distance. But most shotguns have short distance. They don't really make good distance weapons
narrow flicker
!work
fringe dagger
let us go past season lv100
or make it a bit harder with more xp
also more than 100 tiers? :^)
regal isle
possibly, it would be cool to see 100+ tiers. would be insanely grindy tho 🤷
solid grove
somber patrol
think this was meant for #suggestions ?
sullen vector
Yeah
exotic thicket
reduce the range of the MG36. It shoots really far considering how damaging and how fast it fires.
zinc dock
well its supposed to be really really good
exotic thicket
Yeah, but it shot almost as far as my sniper lmao
zinc dock
thats the point lol the difference is u cant see that far with it so ur kind of guessing with ur shots
exotic thicket
lol
cobalt zephyr
Nope
quiet basalt
huh
somber patrol
it's always been small ammo
cobalt zephyr
Yea
quiet basalt
huh.
cobalt zephyr
Hmmm
quiet basalt
yeah it is, i only noticed because i opened a crate w/ the flamethrower in it and i got small ammo w/ it
cobalt zephyr
And Minigun
zinc dock
theoretically a flamethrower doesnt use bullet ammo so whatever
somber patrol
it aight at close range
zinc dock
it uses gas
cobalt zephyr
Yea
somber patrol
14 dmg isnt anything to laugh at early game
cobalt zephyr
Only for super close rane
zinc dock
well early game any damage isnt anything to laugh at
cause theres a lot of noobs with no weapons
iron lark
I mean there's nothing a flamethrower does that the P90 doesn't do better
iron lark
Flamethrower can kill you fast close range, but a P90 at that range will turn you into Swiss cheese
cobalt zephyr
Apart from give you ammo
zinc dock
arguably P90 is best normal gun for close range (normal meaning no crate weapons)
iron lark
Unless you're abusing defenders advantage. It's the best weapon for close quarters trading.
somber patrol
you can't always get a p90 out of every chest you open, gotta make do with what you have 🤷
zinc dock
yeah but its not that hard to find
iron lark
I mean they're common enough, I get them in my first looting place usually
And they don't come in bad rarities
cobalt zephyr
Mhm
quiet basalt
epic+ pump shotty better than legend. p90 at close range imo. but thats just how i play
somber patrol
pump is really nice
the 15 bullets do hella dmg, especially during window fights
its hard to get ar shots in
zinc dock
i like shottys if anything i carry one around just to finish someone in squds but i usually use shotguns in early-mid game
cobalt zephyr
I only use shotguns if it says shtgun kills for daily challenges
quiet basalt
95% of the time i try and make room for a shotty in my loadout
pretty essential to how i play
zinc dock
i hate when u find really good weapons immediately but u need to have meds in the loadout so now u have to pick an choose
cobalt zephyr
Cnsidering how good you are
zinc dock
lol well u might play differently than him who knows
zinc dock
lol
usually when its me and someone else waiting to do the first move i will always wait
i never engage unless i know for sure i can win
quiet basalt
he was goin' for the airdrop and i was holed out in a building right by it waiting
zinc dock
oh yeah i did that once too just waiting in a building and protected the drop
quiet basalt
i like smoke grenades specifically for obscuring the aidrop
especially since u can move around the edge of the airdrop while still opening it
just confuses people
cobalt zephyr
And im the dumb little guy who falls for your tricks : (
somber patrol
^^ literally the only viable use of smokes
zinc dock
yeah before air drops smoke grenades were not nearly as useful as they are now
quiet basalt
dont know what side ur on, and u can jump out anytime and get ez kills
i also use smokes to flush out someone in a building, or so I can go in and out if someone is chillin in one
zinc dock
this one guy tried to smoke himself inside a tiny house once and i just blindly fired into it and killed him LOL
cobalt zephyr
Poor guy
zinc dock
i mean the house way one of those really small ones that are like in a row of 5
quiet basalt
i saw someone else suggest this, and its really good.
smoke grenades should be where u can slightly see urself inside of one.
cobalt zephyr
Yea
quiet basalt
imo that would make them more viable
cobalt zephyr
That would help
zinc dock
yea ur blind inside of it too lol
quiet basalt
its still fairly easy to track urself, but one wrong move and all of a sudden u r lost
cobalt zephyr
Mm
cobalt zephyr
Kinda
quiet basalt
yeah like i said its fairly easy to track yourself but iof u lose track for even a short bit its hard to reorient in time
zinc dock
i just dont like having them in my set tho
unless i have like an empty slot
i wont use them
quiet basalt
i make use them in like 20% of my games
quiet basalt
My suggestions:
1. Make yourself at least slightly visible while inside smoke bomb, would make them more viable again
2. A trade-in system where people can trade in 15-20 non-pass items (maybe 5-10 for emotes/sprays) of one rarity to get 1 item of the next highest rarity. This would give people more of a sense of progression and incentive to play more.
3. Make AWP do a solid 80 damage, I've had it do 79 dmg point blank and it just seems a bit unnecessary to have it vary.
4. Buffing damage on Shuriken from 16-20. It is already a niche weapon and this change would bring more variety to the game. Also consider lowering the spread slightly.
5. Buffing range and/or increasing bullet speed on the Tactical shotgun. This would make it more useful for catching people through a tough angle on a window.
6. Increase range on Tommy Gun from 17-20 tiles and buffing damage by 1 or 2 points at all ranks. this would allow it to compete with the other ARs while not becoming too dominant.
7. Have a leaderboard filter for win rate. a massive quantity of games doesn't necessarily make you a great player. There is correlation, but not causation. Some players hit their natural skill ceiling.
8. An airdrop shotgun with damage in the middle ground between pump and assault, but faster bullet speed, and slightly less spread than assault shotty.
9. Disable the ability to spam friend/invite requests, this would eliminate the 'double player' bug
10. Have the blast radius of Rocket Launchers scale, similar to their range.
11. All Pistols increase your base movement speed by 10% when held
iron lark
I'd agree except for the faster bullet speed on airdrop shotty. Defenders advantage relies on slow bullets and is amazing on shotguns
Better with slower bullets, just longer range
sullen vector
@silver totem lel
silver totem
@sullen vector ???
sullen vector
Í was just trying tó get you to say something so I could see ur rank but you told me 2 1/2 hours ago
tawny mortar
@quiet basalt Tommy gun is actually an smg so it shouldn't be able to compete with AR's. It's an SMG that uses medium ammo. Ik it's weird
sullen vector
I mean in Fortnite drum gun completed smg challenges and uses med ammo
iron lark
Overmancer it's functionally an AR. What is in a name, and all that.
sly oasis
!rank
sullen swallow
!rank
zinc forum
@quiet basalt
dapper hinge
Balance the shooting and not even seeing you enemy and dieing to them
somber patrol
elaborate?
ancient frigate
make everything see further
make flamethrowers better
they are really bad now
miniguns need to shoot faster
or have more damage
somber patrol
flamethrowers are decent at close range
cobalt zephyr
Too bad with smgs everywhere you can't get close enough to use one
All I pick it up for is the extra small ammo it has
Or if it's the only weapon I find... Which is still bad in retrospect
iron lark
I understand that technically it's an SMG, but it has far more in common with ARs
Slower rof, longer range, and medium ammo
Literally the only SMG quality it had is the name
Either make it behave like an SMG or make it like an AR. Because right now it's pretty trash
It's use is just as a bad ar
At least make it actually count for SMG kills. Lol
ancient frigate
yeah
pale mauve
NOO
pale mauve
plz no
tawny mortar
It wasn’t even the best tho
pale mauve
NO, plz no don't
tawny mortar
Ar 15
pale mauve
ye
somber patrol
bc of its dps, ah
tawny mortar
But AR was my backup ;-;
quiet basalt
i was having a mythic assault rifle in a gme do 15 dmg, instead of 16
pale mauve
grenades should have a bigger square thing
I mean like how big it explodes
too small
tawny mortar
Nah it’s fine
pale mauve
comeon
quiet basalt
ah nvm
mild ore
Grenades are OP for dumb foes
pale mauve
yes
quiet basalt
i forgot that the asssault rifle is subject to dmg drop off
tawny mortar
REEEE
tawny mortar
Tbh, does anyone actually care. I just pick up a gun and shoot pew pew 😛
pale mauve
Great idea
mild ore
I approve building
pale mauve
lol
tawny mortar
No building reeeee
mild ore
And more materials, I remember the beta 50v50
pale mauve
we need to add the building back
tawny mortar
It’s too hard to implement building on mobile
mild ore
Just one button and swipe
tawny mortar
Nope
pale mauve
YE
mild ore
tap button again to fire
mild ore
Doable
mild ore
Maybe put the expanded plan in #suggestions feather
tawny mortar
Kek you can say what you want but it isn’t being implemented anytime soon
It’s been discussed multiple times so sorry guys
uncut ridge
dry umbra
@uncut ridge it's easy and depending on your device
compact perch
narrow mango
Yeah my lil brother plays on Ipad and he is better on that than on the laptop
iron lark
I think a device that can be handles in your hands is best
I have a six inch phone.
I have essentially 100% hit accuracy
tawny mortar
Lmao yea I can’t play on my iPad, way too big
iron lark
It's also worth nothing that mobile, instead of a cursor, has a line telling you where you are shooting.
Generally more helpful
narrow mango
Yeah it's not like Fortnite all devices are pretty much equal in gameplay
iron lark
Top downs tend to be.
dry umbra
Thing I hate is once I'm done with random duos people spam me which gets in my way for solos
spice crystal
@dry umbra Sameee
pliant tide
RPG's are a waste of space
dry umbra
Not really
spice crystal
RPGs are pretty good if you land your shots and don't damage yourself
dry umbra
There op in super power mode
iron lark
Rpgs are part of one of my loadouts. If you're dumb and use them outside then yes, they are. But that's like use a P90 to fight a sniper. You need to use them in a building.
Not everything is point and shoot
tawny mortar
i learned the hard way how op an rpg, p90 switch is indoors
quiet basalt
I rarely use RPGs, but when i do i make use of them
iron lark
One time I shot an RPG right as someone was coming through the door, switched to an AWP and shot real fast, both hit him at the same time. Guy died instantly.
Yeah AWP is faster bullet time than bolt, ever so slightly.
Usually it doesn't matter, only in diagonal shots far away
AWP is godly in the right hands. Outclasses other airdrop weapons easily.
IMO it needs to carry a hefty movement penalty when deployed
Similar to the minigun
Wouldn't change the functionality of the gun, but would make you hesitant to always have it out for absurd range
quiet basalt
i think the vss' dmg was nerfed by 1 at all ranks
i just had a legendary vss do 19 dmg consistently
craggy osprey
Oh my it gone
quiet basalt
My suggestions:
1. Make yourself at least slightly visible while inside smoke bomb, would make them more viable again
2. A trade-in system where people can trade in 15-20 non-pass items (maybe 5-10 for emotes/sprays) of one rarity to get 1 item of the next highest rarity. This would give people more of a sense of progression and incentive to play more.
3. Make AWP do a solid 80 damage, I've had it do 79 dmg point blank and it just seems a bit unnecessary to have it vary.
4. Buffing damage on Shuriken from 16-20. It is already a niche weapon and this change would bring more variety to the game. Also consider lowering the spread slightly.
5. Buffing range and/or increasing bullet speed on the Tactical shotgun. This would make it more useful for catching people through a tough angle on a window.
6. Increase range on Tommy Gun from 17-20 tiles and buffing damage by 1 or 2 points at all ranks. this would allow it to compete with the other ARs while not becoming too dominant.
7. Have a leaderboard filter for win rate. a massive quantity of games doesn't necessarily make you a great player. There is correlation, but not causation. Some players hit their natural skill ceiling.
8. An airdrop shotgun with damage in the middle ground between pump and assault, but faster bullet speed, and slightly less spread than assault shotty.
9. Disable the ability to spam friend/invite requests, this would eliminate the 'double player' bug
10. Have the blast radius of Rocket Launchers scale, similar to their range.
11. All Pistols increase your base movement speed by 10% when held.
12. Buff dmg of SMG by 2 at all ranks, buff range to ~18 tiles, but reduce magazine to 20. Also reduce fire rate to bring it in line w/ the Burst SMG. Make it the go-to SMG for finishing off low players/anyone running away.
13. Buff minigun damage to 13, reduce spread by 0.5 tiles. It already has a range of 24, this would make it more viable.
14. Add a grenade launcher that uses large ammo and launches grenades that do a flat 35 dmg (30 splash dmg) with a magazine of 3-5. Detonation time is about .25 seconds longer than throwable grenades. Grenade speed + range scale with rarity. Or it could be a Unique weapon akin to the minigun/flamethrower.
15. Buff fire rate of the hunting rifle to bring it just under the semi auto's, and increase the mag of both hunting rifle and semi-auto to 8
full marsh
rpg should be debuffed in speed, it has had too many buffs. Pump should be buffed, currently, it sucks.
@quiet basalt hunting rifle with that quick of a shot would be too op
Mythic SMG with 17 damage would overpower the mythic ar15, and almost every other gun
full marsh
For 11, would that be a little pointless
quiet basalt
they're not incredibly useful, increasing movespeed would allow them to become a good weapon for chasing down players/racing to airdrops
full marsh
But still, for the SMG, would that be a little too much
quiet basalt
then perhaps reduce the fire rate as well as the mag reduction
bringing the fire rate down in line with the burst smg, along with the other changes i suggested would be a good change to the SMG imo
craggy osprey
I am enlightened lol
iron lark
RPG is in a fine place.
I disagree with the SMG changes
They have their own niche right now. They're not discount ARs nor are they P90 clones
They're hands down the best medium range weapon.
But struggle in longer range and aren't the best in incredibly close range
P90 takes that slot
Do buff burst SMGs though
They're trash
quiet basalt
same range as p90 tho. Id much rather use a p90 than an smg. chunking people down 5-6 at max range at a time w/ the p90's insane fire rate is still very good, as well as the usefulness at close range.
iron lark
A P90 has damage falloff though? SMG doesnt
quiet basalt
to me a base smg isnt worth a slot when competing against a p90
quiet basalt
yes that is true, and you'll see i said "5-6" in my previous message
iron lark
Yes, but the SMG has far more DPS at the same range and is quite consistent
quiet basalt
but imo thats the only situation where it shines
iron lark
It shreds will kill far faster at that range
quiet basalt
i could just as easily switch to an ar for that range
iron lark
A mythic will literally do three times the damage
And an SMG fires twice as fast as an AR
It'll kill far faster
quiet basalt
idk, may just come down to our playstyles
iron lark
The only range an AR is better is when SMG bullets dissappear
quiet basalt
i take an ar, sniper, then a p90 or shotgun
quiet basalt
I used to use that a fait bit, I didnt like the lack of dmg i had at close range
like i said, ill go ar, sniper, shotty/p90, two throwables if I can get them, and 1 consumable. anywhere from 2-3 consumables if i cant get good throwables
iron lark
If you hit all your shots and SMG will shred people close range. Same damage as an AR with twice the ROF
quiet basalt
i wont always take a good throwable over a consumable, just depends on the situation
iron lark
So twice AR DPS
quiet basalt
Im not a fan of the SMG's spread 8 tiles and further away
idk what it is, i always end up choking with it, id much rather just chunk with a p90 from than range then switch to a sniper to finish
like i said it may just come down to our playstyles
iron lark
I agree, which is why I think it shouldn't be changed.
I think it's niche now is far more general and what you want to put it in would limit useage
quiet basalt
yeah burst smg is in a far worse spot anyways
iron lark
Yes. I'd say change that one to that if anything. Seems more burst ish anyways
The game shouldn't be cookie cutter where an AR is mandatory. Current SMGs provide a viable alternative
quiet basalt
fair enough. its prty hard to suggest balance changes in this game, cause so much is about playstyle.
better to suggest a change to the burst smg instead
iron lark
I agree. Which is why weapons should fill the following boxes: range limit, effective range limit, direct or indirect fire, defenders advantage usage, and AoE or non AoE.
If the same weapon ticks the same place in all the boxes. It's redundant.
Minus gimmicks
Oh. And DPS. Obviously.
quiet basalt
ye rly only suggest buffs/nerfs to weapons that fill the same role (or lack thereof) in all playstyles
besides that, any other input on my suggestions?
i did only take like 10 min to make them, so theres def gonna be major flaws
iron lark
Yeah. I think number ten doesn't have too much of a point and would be both quite confusing for new players and unnecessarily complex. Rocket launcher radius is fine being constant. I also think the airdrop shotgun needs something else, and what you said for number eleven seems rather odd
Like. It would make pistols... Not pistols lmao
It would make pistols running shoes
I never liked having weapons serve a purpose they're clearly not meant to
And it makes no sense to pick up a gun and suddenly move faster
Like sure. Technically you buff pistols. But nobody will ever use them as a weapon.
You will just make them tools instead.
quiet basalt
yeah. perhaps a dmg buff for pistols as well. I dont see anyone using them often.
zinc dock
i dont think pistols are meant to be used often
iron lark
In my option not every weapon in the game needs to be perfectly viable. That is kind of the point of looting to find good weapons.
quiet basalt
idk ur the guy that is makin a playstyle sheet, do u see anyone use pistols often?
yeah
zinc dock
like in no game are pistols supposed to be like main weapons
pistols are fine as is
just small weapons for the beginning
iron lark
Playstyle sheet died down for a few days, because I got my car going and had to deal with insurance and getting used to driving it, but the maintenence will be back up in a few days.
zinc dock
until u find better things
iron lark
Also worked this whole weekend and tomorrow
I'm a busy guy. But it'll get more work soon.
But no. I've never really seen anyone use a pistol except out of desperation
And I've not used one in any other circumstance.
In my opinion, they COULD have a niche of their own.
They are decent weapons especially considering perfect accuracy, but their abysmal range just kills them
Give them a lot more range, and then they'd be good weapons for those who are insane with accuracy
It would also lend well to the "badass with a pistol" stereotype
zinc dock
again they arent meant to be used unless u have desperation
iron lark
But they still wouldn't be overpowered
That's assuming you want to make them viable yes
It's my idea for pistol changes.
Range extension.
That's it
zinc dock
and pistols are still good, i think the dual pistols arent that bad
quiet basalt
finding a balance between making all items viable and eliminating the looting aspect of a game is a central part of game design
iron lark
Eh. Range still kills them for me.
quiet basalt
at least for this type of game
zinc dock
pistols are meant to be guns that u only really use if u cant find another
u can still easily kill people with pistols if ur good enough
they arent that bad but they are just overshadowed by guns that are meant to be primary guns
quiet basalt
side note: I just had a mythic burst ar do 18 instead of 19 dmg, perhaps they nerfed them as well as the VSS
ill have to check
iron lark
... Why would the nerf burst AR
I mean, they're godly in superpower, but other than that they're meh
iron lark
Right now, I just want the devs to fix the BLOODY vss on mobile
Like give it auto fire. Really. The gun is very good on pc but absolute trash on mobile and this should not be a thing.
quiet basalt
imma check rn to see if the burst ar was rly nerfed
ah
i see
lemme finish this game then I'll tell
burst ar's arent affected by dmg drop off, but the epic, mythic, and uncommon now have a dmg range
@iron lark
quiet basalt
its a nerf across the board
like, mythic now does 18-19 instead of 19
epic does 16-17 instead of 17
i shouldnt say across the board cause the legendary rare and common remain unchanged
quiet basalt
ye
worthy ridge
austere vale
@iron lark yes, vss is super bad at mobile
You can spam it, but it is not accurate then
vocal radish
Semi Autos are pretty bad compared to VSS tbh
iron lark
The VSS will hit its shots in its view range unless you're walking backwards. Just strafe instead.
It's ROF makes it easier to use than other snipers
Bolt is likely has the best optimal use all around, assuming perfect accuracy
cobalt zephyr
i live vss more then bolt
tulip walrus
Na bolt is better
@woven perch go to #looking-for-group-old
U barely can aim with VSS in mobile
woven perch
sorry im confused
tulip walrus
@woven perch if u want to find someone to play with go to #looking-for-group-old it makes everything organized
woven perch
ok
tame ingot
flame thrower buff
winter schooner
i use both bolt and vss, hit them with the bolt then switch to vss
iron lark
Eh. I prefer not to fight in the open because that's just trading shots
Unless I have an awp
Then gg
cyan lynx
or three then triple gg
normal drum
technically you could get it in zombies tho
iron lark
Minigun is a bad P90 that nerfs your speed
rocky frigate
I think minigun is balanced, with the amo it has
iron lark
It's like directly inferior to countless other weapons
For that matter, most of the unique weapons are.
All of them I'd say actually
Shuriken, Minigun, flamethrower, all things you walk by
Minigun may as well just be crates of small ammo instead
rocky frigate
I just don’t like how it makes you slow, but that’s logical
iron lark
Logic is not always good game design.
rocky frigate
Yea I agree, not always
soft bobcat
minigun is balanced
tbh
maybe p90 nerf on far range
bc it has really good poke to get a great ouplay
outplay*
also
ar-15 common should not do 10 damage per hit
thats
crazy
like 9.5
10x30
you can fight a 2v1
with that
awp damage nerf
cobalt zephyr
The ar 15 actually has had a damage nerf so that used to be higher
Also @iron lark it used to only do 8 damage but then it got a damage buff. I do agree the speed of movement needs to be worked out a bit.
bold raven
BUf fShurikens
tawny mortar
Shurikens are godly, idk what you are on about
spice crystal
^
winter schooner
I guess you have to know how to use them
winter schooner
That’s not what I mean
cobalt zephyr
Shurikens are a poor mans shotgun in Frisbee form
faint sundial
I just realized, shurikens can be classifies as shotguns, since they shoot out multiple projectiles at once
classified*
Moving on from shotguns, can someone please respond to me about Tommy Guns?
Blue Tommy Guns deal 10 damage, and a purple Tommy Gun deals 11 damage.
A person at full health unshielded would take 10 shots before dying, regardless of it's rarity
And since Tommy Guns are generally found early game, when no one has shields, then it isn't viable after that point, since other AR's out perform in damage and fire rate.
So it would reason able to give a 1 damage buff to both the blue and purple Tommy Gun so that a purple Tommy Gun can have a slight advantage during early game.
Better yet, there could be a new legendary Tommy Gun that deals 12 damage, which is most reasonable.
iron lark
Shuriken need to use large ammo
iron lark
Reaching into your bag to grab more isn't unreasonable
Current six shots with a second long reload would be fine.
Currently they don't have any way to refill them
Or make them stack beyond thirty. Up to like 120
And more common
faint sundial
Then that would be slightly op
Not being able to stack them is what makes them balanced
humble frigate
Yes they really are
Actually all three legendary uniques are bad
minigun: only 9 dmg and you have to shoot a while for a good shoot per second
flamethrower: the range is so bad and it only does 11 dmg plus the fire dmg that's also being nerfed (in the old version the fire does 2 dmg per sec and now it only does 1 dmg per sec)
shurikens: it only does 80 dmg when all five shurikens are on one thing and you can only shoot 6 times (a legendary pump does over 100 so it can oneshot people without shield) so, shurikens should be buffed!! (the only thing that's good about shurikens is the far range)
iron lark
All the unique legendaries are things I walk by.
cobalt zephyr
Yea
iron lark
Basically what I do
Flamethrower is an ammo box too
But I never really run out of small ammo anyways
Since P90s give so much
errant smelt
Lol
iron lark
Lol, I got an awp and got the 600 sniper damage challenge in one round
spice crystal
how do you even hit all 5 shurikens though
inner pier
WOW
exotic thicket
i just won a game because of the awp
rocky cargo
We should be able to stack more than 4 mini shields.
Otherwise there is almost no advantage holding minis instead of big shields
iron lark
Siejo the advantage is that they can be used in smaller increments if you desire
I'd much rather have four minis and four mixed than two big and four mixed
Carried with mixed that can be used to top up just as much as big potions, they're better.
My ideal med situation is four mini four mixed
quiet basalt
just had a mythic vss do consistent 21 dmg
perhaps they reverted the nerf, or certain rarities of it have a dmg range now
will confirm/deny later
@iron lark
quiet basalt
@iron lark looks like the nerf was reverted
and also, I just used that bug where you can use one item while holding another/dropping it to throw a grenade, then throw a reverse impulse to drag someone out of a building and into the grenade
iron lark
I mean, it's not hard to grenade fast enough that they can't avoid it anyways.
Hardly a bug that gives any advantage
Given the radius of a grenade if it's thrown fast to the same location as the impulse it will be impossible to dodge anyways
quiet basalt
I pulled him out through the corner of the house. If I didn't use the bug and if he was a good player he could've moved away to avoid being pulled out
Life if I threw the reverse impulse then switched to the grenade then threw the grenade
With the bug he can't see me holding the reverse impulse when I throw it. So he didn't move away
The bug is only useful against good players.
But it doesn't hurt to use it against a noob, so I use it whenever I can
modest moat
Nerf vss
quiet basalt
yeah vss def doesnt need a nerf
spice crystal
Vss it too good at it's current state.
iron lark
I'd disagree. It's range limits it.
A good bolt can outplay it
Atm it's a crutch for those who can't aim the bolt.
Or as a finisher
quiet basalt
^^
mental zephyr
Nah not really tbh a vss always kills a bolt
While the bolt reloads u move so slow and get melted
zinc dock
well what ur supposed to do with bolt is hit them once then switch to a faster firing weapon and kill them that way. or if u keep moving backwards with the bolt and force them to chase u, their bullets will always miss while urs travel enough to hit them
mental zephyr
Good player will melt u regardless
cobalt zephyr
truth
zinc dock
well u just gotta be good with bolt
if u get someone chasing you then u pretty much got an auto win
cause they are running towards the bullet, which are moving towards them, thus causing more bullet contact
zinc dock
whereas u are running away from the bullet, causing the time it takes for the bullet to hit u to increase
or sometimes not even reach u
lofty elm
Give the hunting fov of the awp or a dmg buff
cobalt zephyr
Ok ok how you you guys feel about first shot accuracy
Wait nevermind then the vss would be even more broken....
cobalt creek
.
winter schooner
I think it’s like comparing apples to oranges. They are two very different weapons with different tactics and skill sets needed to use them
I personal use both
Or two bolts
smoky basalt
vss is more of a pinpoint accurate ar with small magazine that gives more sight range
tawny mortar
I like vss but it has a very short range. Even AR's can outrange a VSS
smoky basalt
its short range is particularly prominent for me when i am trying to shoot and chase someone running away
and its bullet barely reaches the corner of the screen (16:9 aspect ratio) while shooting standing still
rigid orchid
If you have good aim and you're at medium far range it will shred
kind hearth
I prefer the Vss as well, very useful in an assortment of situations.
cobalt zephyr
truth. plus if you get at least rare it dunks on almost any other gun rather quickly
somber patrol
@cobalt zephyr questions, also
please reread the #rules-and-info for further information
nimble mulch
The revive mechanics in Squads and 50v50 are both frustrating. In 50v50, I just 1v3 in a house, and a downed opponent walks to a closed door. A fourth opponent come to that same door from the outside, and I wait for him to come in to fight and save his allies. Turns out he was reviving his ally through the closed door and not opening the door instead... I died. In squads, if one ally bumps you while another ally is reviving you, it cancels. I got killed by a Troll on my team in this way. Edit: Ps. love the game otherwise.
winter schooner
^
cobalt zephyr
@sleek swift #off-topic
sleek swift
cobalt zephyr
Np 😉
iron lark
Doing more testing for my builds. Pump is more viable than P90 in some ways. It's a better ambush weapon, but not better for direct combat.
The fastest possible kill is pump blast from point blank range then switch to P90
It would be double pump but players will back away in that time
To reiterate: pumps are better when your opponent does not know you are there. P90s are better when they do. Except for airdrops, where pumps are better.
quiet basalt
bolt is best for up front dmg before switching to an ar/smg/shotty. It's for poking people from cover, vss is better in open areas.
iron lark
I'd agree with the possible exception that bolt gets better in all situations the more accurate you are, eventually beating out the Vss when you get good as keeping perfect distance.
Vss is more forgiving for the less accurate
But has lower ideal use than the bolt
Hence my label as crutch
modest moat
yes vss is a crutch especially if you pick it over an awp
basically says you’re too lazy to be careful with aiming or switch guns. it’s a lot worse on mobile
iron lark
Interesting. Something to consider I guess. Though still won't be putting them in builds.
iron lark
I appreciate the info
quiet basalt
mythic dual gonna be doing 17
iron lark
Hm.
quiet basalt
thats actually substantial