game-balance

[runic pond]

yeah

[golden basin]

so, today i found out that epic shurikens do the SAME damage as an epic tactical shotgun. The difference being, tac shotguns shoot five bullets as shurikens only shoot 3. Also, shurikens run out more quickly and have a very similar spread and fire rate. Please, buff shurikens.

[fierce sluice]

Please buff the shotguns. The spread is too big and they don’t deal as much damage as they should do. Once, I was close to my opponent and s shotgun did 13 DAMAGE. Same as the AR. I feel like you guys could buff the damage to at least 18 or 20 damage.

[cobalt zephyr]

be careful buffing shotguns

I don't think shotguns need a buff... a mythical can one shot at point blank

[gilded totem]

@cobalt zephyr Mystical can 1 shot? Epic can 1 shot

and tactical got a buff 😛

[uncut parcel]

hello

[scarlet bone]

Thanks for all the thoughts and feedback everyone, we're already taking steps into balancing weapons even further. We can't guarantee or confirm any specific changes, but we'll take your feedbacks into consideration.

[golden basin]

@scarlet bone will you guys be more clear as to exactly how you balance the weapons in the future? I'm pretty sure the whole community would appreciate this, Thanks!

[scarlet bone]

We'll give more details in the future, but I as I stated before we're constantly tweaking things and reverting some back and we'd rather not give the specifics for now.

[gilded totem]

Nerf Duel Pistol now, it does too much damage and ARs can't beat it if you do close range

[tired rock]

they are deagles they're supposed to be strong close ranged

[carmine tapir]

yes

[fierce sluice]

@tired rock Talking about deagles, shotguns do NOTHING in close range. Shotguns are built for close range combat. The spread is too big aswell which lowers the damage even more. Please buff the shotguns and the snipers.

[white dock]

Shotgun does damage per pellet

the more pellets you land the higher the damage

simple

[cobalt zephyr]

did anyone suggest a bush yet?

:P

we can put on a bush

and move around in it

would be fun

[cobalt zephyr]

@runic pond You need to type what guns you really want to get balanced. He can not do it to all guns!

[runic pond]

ok

sorry

[cobalt zephyr]

@runic pond You shouldn't say sorry 😄

"balance the guns so its fair" is obvsly on the to do list, the point of this channel is to discuss what the players think is currently unfair and how to change it to make it better.

so, what gun do you think is too powerfull or to weak?

@cobalt zephyr Well iknow

[long scarab]

well the burst ar is op

[runic pond]

ok

[long scarab]

if u land hits it's easy kill

[runic pond]

yup

[cobalt zephyr]

okay, do you have any ideas on how it could be on a more even level with the rest of the guns?

[long scarab]

make it deal as not as much damage because if you land the hits it's like 30 some damage already

and it's pretty rapid shots after shots

no

just make it shoot slower

[gilded totem]

the nerf to pump's range is too much 😂

[devout knoll]

yea

can u make the impulse nades be used by ur character like fortnite like have a max distance where u can throw it

[vast sphinx]

hey guys

we should buff the shotguns

[gilded totem]

Tactical was buffed already

[devout knoll]

PUMP BUFF

[queen nymph]

hi

[limpid nimbus]

shurikens are traaaash

i would take a blue tac over gold stars

also it there a way to make it so you can choose how far you throw grenades up to a limit? sometimes i want to throw a grenade about 5ft and it goes about 30ft away and poofs in a harmless puff of smoke instead of my nice doorway that i want to trap with a nice timed nade

[gilded totem]

even the heroic stars sucks

[lusty wedge]

@devout knoll the pump shot guns dont need a buff they are good and balenced now

i fell like the mystic rocket launcher needs a nerf

[devout knoll]

i know

[lusty wedge]

becuase i was just playing a game i was in the top 5 anf in the 3rd last ring a saw a guy anping in a house with the mystic rocket launcher i opened the door shot him clean in the face with a epic pump shoy gun and he did not die

AND

he one shotted me with the rocket launcher

[devout knoll]

rip

[lusty wedge]

ikr

he had to of been on atleast 30 health

oh yea

[limpid nimbus]

yeah a rocket to the face ought to kill people

its slow enough that anyone with reaction times can dodge it

rocket needs a redesign more than a buff, it looks like a super soaker

[cobalt zephyr]

Lol

[crisp pine]

hi

[cobalt zephyr]

rpg was suppose to be op

it's just a pool toy now

feels bad

still great against people camping in those wooden huts

eh

i would always fire one in just to see if i hit anyone

an epic still does like 80

also

mythic should be removed

i think legendary should be the highest

i think legendary needs to be the rarest and mythic be the 2nd rarest

[gilded totem]

@cobalt zephyr common RPG does 90

[cobalt zephyr]

like just switch colors

@gilded totem LOL

switching colors at this point would just confuse people

also

I sometimes accidentally think a legendary is better than my mythic

adding a color blind option would be a good choice

i never pick up rpg (only if i want large ammo)

i always find rare RPG's

[limpid nimbus]

like mythic or not, its another difference the devs can use if they get sued by fortnite, so i say we keep it

idk if or why they would sue tho

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

[limpid nimbus]

that might be why they changed tac

[cobalt zephyr]

why would fort nite sue some 2d browser game

^

[limpid nimbus]

idk

[cobalt zephyr]

i always find mythic shurikens

epic doesn't have time for that

[limpid nimbus]

its a possibility ._.

[cobalt zephyr]

and on what grounds?

lik

[limpid nimbus]

copying

[cobalt zephyr]

that's like

[gilded totem]

there is only 3 raity of ninja stars

[cobalt zephyr]

there are tons of differences

[gilded totem]

Epic+

[cobalt zephyr]

pubg suing fortnite lmao

like

they copied pubg ideas

everyone copies

no

fortnite never copied pubg

[gilded totem]

Pubg copied Minecraft hunger game 😄

also fortnite

[cobalt zephyr]

they just took the battle royale concept and put their own twist

mc hunger games OG

Suzanne Collins can sue all of gaming anyways

[limpid nimbus]

its not copying its heavily inspired

[cobalt zephyr]

the gas

what coolbot said

[gilded totem]

Roman the OG and let's talk about those in #general xD

[cobalt zephyr]

hmmhmhmhmhmh

i have a question about balance

[limpid nimbus]

is it why are shurikens trash

[cobalt zephyr]

xd

[gilded totem]

they are too trash need a buff

[cobalt zephyr]

why does AR have so much bullet distance

@limpid nimbus why are shurikens trash

😛

[limpid nimbus]

a rare tac does more damage

[cobalt zephyr]

shurikens are good early game

[gilded totem]

not really

[limpid nimbus]

rare tac fires more bullets, that do same damage, in a harder to avoid cone

[cobalt zephyr]

@cobalt zephyr no

well everyone at the end is a spammer and shurikens have trash distance

[limpid nimbus]

common tac > mythic shuriken

[cobalt zephyr]

smoke grenade > infinite shurikens

[limpid nimbus]

i havent been able to find or use smoke very well 😦

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

smoke grenades helped me once

some dude found a legendary AR first crate and i threw like 3 of them

he got lost in the smoke xd i got away

impulse granade > rpg shurikens and smoke granages

granages

[limpid nimbus]

rpg is a good building clearer, but not very good otherwise

[cobalt zephyr]

eh

I got like 2 wins from an RPG

[limpid nimbus]

also what purpose does the impulse even have in this?

[cobalt zephyr]

its really good when the map is small

[limpid nimbus]

since you cant choose how far you throw it its kinda bad

[cobalt zephyr]

@limpid nimbus you can go through buildings

and knock people back from you if you are trying to run away

[limpid nimbus]

i wish you could choose how far to throw nades

[cobalt zephyr]

i hate guys with auto snipe

check some of #showcase or #community-highlights for impulse

sniper rifle is lit

[limpid nimbus]

autosnipe is pretty bad compared to bolt, hunting is eh

[cobalt zephyr]

i love impulse

a mythic SR only does 30 damage per shot but eh

[limpid nimbus]

any sniper is good for the fov tho

[gilded totem]

@cobalt zephyr they don't do 30 damage per shot 😂

wait what's SR xD

[limpid nimbus]

a mythic auto does

[cobalt zephyr]

sniper rifle

😐

[gilded totem]

which rifle

[cobalt zephyr]

about 50*

[gilded totem]

the sniper rifle?

[cobalt zephyr]

sniper

rifle

sniper

[limpid nimbus]

mythic hunting is ~40

[cobalt zephyr]

rifle

sniper

rifle

[gilded totem]

Mythic ak does 20 per shot

I think it got nerfed to 18

[cobalt zephyr]

one bullet

[gilded totem]

yea

[cobalt zephyr]

ak is for kids who bullet spam

[limpid nimbus]

mythic bolt ❤

[cobalt zephyr]

I love sniper

[gilded totem]

AK bullet spam?
Scar and assult are bullet spam

And SMG

[cobalt zephyr]

one sniper bullet does 70 damage

mythic ak>common smg

smg sucks lol

[limpid nimbus]

i dont like burst fire weapons

[cobalt zephyr]

me too

[limpid nimbus]

whats the difference between scar and ar? does one have any better trait?

[cobalt zephyr]

idk

pump shotgun is good when ppl are running away

maybe better range

[limpid nimbus]

how? it has bad range

[cobalt zephyr]

erm

better range than normal shotgun

[limpid nimbus]

shotguns are good for charging

yeah but just use any rifle

[cobalt zephyr]

i remember killing 3 people with a hunting rifle at the start lol

everybody else got scared and the whole house was mine

i got stacked in like 10 seconds

[limpid nimbus]

zombs should have limited time events like sniper shootout etc. :3

[cobalt zephyr]

or just add team mode

[limpid nimbus]

its comming hopefuly

[cobalt zephyr]

2028

:3

[limpid nimbus]

more votes for duo tho idk why not both

[cobalt zephyr]

well

thats what i mean

team of 2's

[limpid nimbus]

just got 3 way teamed :/

cant wait for propper teamz

[cobalt zephyr]

I had no issues with the mouse before, still don't.
Dunno if that helps.

[minor forum]

Can't find my cursor; no crossair to help me aim.

[limpid nimbus]

a 3rd ar? i cant tell the difference between the regular ar and the scar, why do we need a 3rd ar???

[cobalt zephyr]

^^^^

I agree on this to so many levels

[vast sphinx]

Of the guns I remember

--Assault rifles:
Scar, AR, AR-15
--Pistols:
Revolver thing, Semiautomatic
--Shotguns
Tactical, Pump
--Snipers
Bolt, Semiautomatic

3 to 2 of each (considering I didnt forget a type)

[limpid nimbus]

you missed hunting rifle and burst pistol, and the burst and auto smg

but all those guns have differences, bar the ar rifles

the ak is also missing

[vast sphinx]

yes i figured I missed a lot

the AK is the AR I thought

the non-burst one

[limpid nimbus]

new nades and shurikens are much better

[vast sphinx]

the grenades are so much better

[limpid nimbus]

i just killed a duo with em :3

ok i found a single difference between regular ar and the scar, they have a different noise

thats literaly it

they have the same fire rate, and very similar if not same damage

the new ar seems to fire faster

[south obsidian]

My goodness has the game gotten waaaayy better and more enjoyable after the mouse update!

[limpid nimbus]

i dont notice a difference

i dont, they are pretty useless since you cant control how far you throw em

the new regular nades are actualy quite good tho

ah

ok, the new ar does slightly less damage but fires faster than the scar, 11 damage vs 12 for blue on both, im gonna try for a blue regular ar to confirm if it is exactly the same as the scar

ok the blue regular ar does more damage than the scar

13 vs 12

so regular ar is just flat out better than scar

same fire rate, higher damage, maybe the range is different

[mellow spruce]

g

[gilded totem]

I didn't play ZombsRoyale.io yesterday 😦

@limpid nimbus assult got a buff so it's better than scar

[tulip phoenix]

yeah

[sullen terrace]

ooooooooo

new gun

i got #2nd with

[wanton glade]

sup you lot

wat up

#im a saddo

#i want to talk

[gilded totem]

😦

[wanton glade]

#im lonly

😩

[rose lion]

the AR fires much faster and the projectiles are also significantly faster 😛

[cobalt zephyr]

LIFE

[limpid nimbus]

yeah i did the science and found the differences with all the ar's apart from range, i dont know the difference in range

should still be up there

[tiny igloo]

the AR is already the best machine gun in my opinion

[cobalt zephyr]

AR? AR (burst)? or AR-15?

[tulip phoenix]

there is no AR burst lol

[cobalt zephyr]

?

[tiny igloo]

the noob hammer

[gilded totem]

new ar 15 need a nerf

[broken mural]

it is pretty OP

[limpid nimbus]

whats wrong with the hammer? its cool

[astral swift]

the new gun is actually powerful

i got 2 kills in a row with a common ar 15

[mystic galleon]

AR 15 op AF

even more op than the sniper

[vast sphinx]

No.

[mystic galleon]

how is it not

[vast sphinx]

Sniper
-Longer Range
-More Damage

AR-15
-Less Range
-High ROF
-Lesser Damage per shot

I mean they arent more powerful, they are sort of equal in a sense

[scenic wagon]

AR 15 is 100% the best gun in the game

[gilded totem]

@vast sphinx not less damage, but less range

[limpid nimbus]

ar 15 is ok

i wouldent say best but it is good

[tulip phoenix]

yeah

[cobalt zephyr]

AR15 is insanely op, might need a debuff

At least feels op

[scenic wagon]

green ar 15is better than any other assault rifle or sniper at close or far range.

[slow mica]

surely the red is better

[scenic wagon]

obviously the higher tiers of ar 15 arent included in my statement im jusst trying to make the point that the ar15 is so much better theres no reason to use the other rifles

just take a shot with sniper then spray wwith the AR

[inner orchid]

The ninja stars need a nerf in my opinion, in close quarters it kills in 2-1 clicks

[limpid nimbus]

pre buff they were trash, now aparently they are too good

i think you just need to git gud because in close quarters most shotguns kill in 2-1 clicks

heck, even a bolt kills in 2-1 clicks in close range

[inner orchid]

I dont have constant 30 fps, or 60, so aiming is hard

[limpid nimbus]

then you cant exactly say things are overpowered, you have an innate disadvantage so everything will seem more powerful

[sonic swift]

who wants to play with me

[cobalt zephyr]

try asking in #general lol

[inner orchid]

@limpid nimbus I go from about 30fps to somethings like 28 fps, about every 5 seconds

[limpid nimbus]

30 to 28, thats like, nothing

if you cant aim with 2 frames being dropped, its your skill that needs improving

[bleak escarp]

OOF

[inner orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401817991425032192/431128492974014464/unknown.png

what is skill i only know hacks

[gilded totem]

hmm

[limpid nimbus]

is that windows 98

[gilded totem]

old window alert

that's like window 6 xD

[inner orchid]

windows 7 with classic theme

for more F P S

[gilded totem]

lol

[inner orchid]

Windows 7 is superior

than any other windows

[limpid nimbus]

yeah i was forced into 10, but its not half bad, just not as good as 7 😦

[inner orchid]

Every month, youtube tutorials become outdated which are about windows 10, because they change something

[cobalt zephyr]

Hey guys I and @cobalt zephyr have been putting this together, its not a 100% yet but we're getting there.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nr958qg4bfmHjue73CgMZZNVU4gdompfrld1B3IeRx0/edit?usp=sharing
the stats of all the weapons, (almost) at least according to our own math 😛
use this as reference when discussing your ideas and balance suggestions!

[scenic wagon]

i hope the AR15 gets nerfed

[hard flume]

like hell

[rigid agate]

@cobalt zephyr and @cobalt zephyr i could try to help with weapon stats

just ask

shuriken epic confirmed 12 damage

[prime acorn]

teamers are disgusting

[white dock]

@cobalt zephyr How did you work out that pump can potentionally do 210? When I was playing I hit an enemy with all my pellets but I only broke their shield and slighty grazed their hp.

[cobalt zephyr]

7.5 avg damage per pellet X 15 pellets per shot X 2 shots per second = 225
low ball it, all pellets d o7 instead of potential 8 or average 7.5 and you get 210

[white dock]

pump can shoot twice per second?

I never knew

I thought it was just once

[cobalt zephyr]

just barely but yeah it shoots twice per second.

[white dock]

But when i double pump I can make it four hehe

[tulip phoenix]

no you can't

thats not how math works

[steady zephyr]

Guns should have recoil

[tulip phoenix]

how would that work in a 2-D game

oh right! it moves you backwords

lol

rip

[cobalt zephyr]

Pump-action already has a little bit of recoil. the bolt-action also slows your walk speed for a short time after firing, which in essence has a similar effect

[white dock]

When you double pump you can bypass the normal reload speed

it allows you to rapidly shoot the shotgun by constantly switching keys

[scenic wagon]

this works with any gun its just notable on shotguns/snipers

oh and rpgs...

[vast sphinx]

AR-15 needs a n- ok 10 people already mentioned that

[scenic wagon]

i think a good change for the AR15 is maybe make the clip size smaller so its harder to kill someone without reloading

because currently i get a sniper and ar15 and use the sniper to see, then swap to the ar15 to spray

and i feel other assault rifles just cant compete with the AR's range, knockback and projectile speed

[cobalt zephyr]

yeah tempest, I made a video on double pump, fortunately it is very difficult to do manually without tool assistance

here is the video if you would like to see

https://youtu.be/EDZYzqzK4ao

[pine pasture]

tf

um

anyone else think anyone can survive an rpg with just 1 armor and 100 hp?

[drowsy python]

yeah, rpg does 90

[quaint coral]

k

[upper lintel]

it depends on to rarity of rpg isn't it?

[cobalt zephyr]

yes 😄

But still if you hit in directly or like a little bit left for him, it will not damage that much

[fierce sluice]

Guns should have recoil!!

[upper lintel]

what's the rate of damage percent between rarities ?

[fierce sluice]

I don't know ...

[gentle steeple]

Hi, I'd like to bring up an issue I have with shurikens in this game. I believe that they need to be nerfed a bit. I would like the range on the shurikens to be shortened and maybe lower the damage a little bit like 1-3 points less. Also if you could make it so you could choose how many shurikens you throw between 1,3,5 shurikens at once that'd be appreciated. Thank you.

[trim ridge]

Each level of shurakan has different numbers of shot at once that's why there might be more

[limber violet]

i would really like the shurikens nerfed, but in end game they are really useless

[trim ridge]

And the shurakan do alot of damage because they are hard to hit someone with because they have such low speed and range

[light solar]

I'd also like to chime in to that, I believe that damage fall-off would be a good addittion, because random spam is way too rewarding, and the damage is too high for range battles to be fair.

[limber violet]

no

range of a sniper

XD

[trim ridge]

I am with wack on this one

Less damage from further range

[light solar]

@trim ridge I agree with the shuriken damage being nerfed a small bit, but shot choice would be convienent

[trim ridge]

Just maybe extend the sight distance a bit

[light solar]

Yes

[trim ridge]

@light solar I didnt say that that was @gentle steeple

[gentle steeple]

You didn't say what?

[trim ridge]

About the shurakans

You said they need a nerf not me

[limber violet]

nah really

XDDD

[gentle steeple]

A little bit a nerf. Decrease the range and the damage a few points. And with shot convenience maybe 1 shuriken shot would have longer range and 5 would have less range but the wider area to hit.

[trim ridge]

That would make sence

[silent sonnet]

Make it so you have to be inside a house to see through the door

[gentle steeple]

I would argue that that would not be that good of an idea because the people who just sit in houses waiting to pump someone in the face would be even more common then they already are

[brazen token]

^

[silent sonnet]

That’s me ^^

[white dock]

@cobalt zephyr yh nice video I have also already uploaded the different variations of the pump in the showcase too. You can also ctrl f if u want to find it.

[cobalt zephyr]

ah ok thanks for notifying me about your interpretation and elucidation of the problem, it is nice to see a different perspective to the issue

[cobalt zephyr]

PLZ nerf range in tactical pump

[vast sphinx]

By how much? Describe the changes

[cobalt zephyr]

the pump's range is pretty pathetic now

also, the red buildings should be able to be destroyed too. They just need more health. The red buildings are actually easier to camp in since they have more room to move, but the same area to shoot through.

[vast sphinx]

I like the idea of the red buildings being destructible

People tend to camp in them in duos a lot

[cobalt zephyr]

i detest campers with a passion, and make it a point to kill them all.

and they are more often in the red buildings than the brown ones now

[vast sphinx]

Put your idea in #suggestions 👀

[cobalt zephyr]

sure got u

[cobalt zephyr]

okay so VSS is pretty dang good, because I got poopoo aim it's now my sniper of choice over the Bolt-action, the only reason it isn't the only gun I use (bar maybe a pump) is cause of the limited ammo, it also makes the Semi-auto obsolete. Much like the the bolt-action makes the hunting rifle useless.
basically we now have 2 sniper rifles: fast but 'low' dmg VSS and High dmg but slow Bolt-action. and then we have the crappy versions of each of thoes, the Semi-auto and the hunting rifle. if this is intentional to create more rng, and in essence more tiers to each type of gun, then it works.
if not and each gun is meant to be unique or have it's own role. then here is my proposal. (some of this has already been suggested)

Bolt action: the "range" gun, higher increase to FOV but medium dmg and fire rate.
Hunting rifle: the "dmg" gun, High dmg and low speed, basically the what the bolt action currently is
Semi-auto: the "speed" gun, give it back it's title as the sniper rifle for those who can't aim a sniper rifle, its the fastest but low damage per shot. more like the current VSS or somewhere in-between.
VSS: the "stealth" gun, it's currently technically "silenced" lets focus on that to give it something unique. make it so that it can't be heard at all if you are X far away, give it a slightly larger FOV but not as much as the bolt action, and medium firerate/dmg, but make the recoil slow down effect large, maybe even shrink it a bit so it can fit into a bush a little bit better.

for @cobalt zephyr TL:DR, snipes right now are not very unique, which is okay, but if they were uniqeu, they could be "dmg" "speed" "stealth" "FOV"

honestly they are all interchangeable but these are the roles I think each sniper rifle should have

[vast sphinx]

Wow thats a mouthful, but yeah the VSS being somewhat silenced would be very deadly

[cobalt zephyr]

this would help diversify and give something for all play styles.
help give that feeling of everyone and every playstyle having something that they love and can use to its maximum potential.
obvsly sniper rifles lean towards camping, but the VSS and Semi-auto using this system would also offer something to the run and gunners and the stealthers

can i have a tl:dr?

this kinda was my tl:dr tbh...

lol

daaang

ight i got u

hold on

well, if your basing guns like that

you should have a power gun

instead of changing the bolt to range, add a new gun for the extra range

then nerf the range on the bolt, but up the power by...idk 25%

back to the old dmg

the new gun should have a significantly longer range than the others

but have a slightly faster speed than the bolt

and do idk, 75% of the current damage of the bolt

maybe less

does that sound ok?

trying to cut down my text to the very minimum, lol

bassicly I proposed doing this with the hunting rifle, make IT the new dmg gun

hmm

that sounds decent

but dont call it the hunting rifle lol

c o p y r i g h t

xD

I think 5 sniper rifles (6 if you count rpg cause it uses Large ammo) is too many

thats probz too many for any gun type tbh

i dont really, rpg mechanics are far different

it should really be down to 4

get rid of the semi auto sniper

bolt, vss, range gun, wait whats the other one

i meant change ur new gun from the hunting rifle to something else

idk make the sprite look beefier, make it look like it does more damage

although personally, the bolt would seem the best for damage

yeah, seems like we agree tho that the guns should be Power, Speed, Range, Stealth.

i mean, its a 50 cal. gun! What's more powerful than that!

yes

Honestly I think all gun types could kinda be broken down like this, just maybe using different categorys

though the vss falls into two categories

they roughly do already, just some guns combine them

like the pump is power and (used to be range)

take the shotguns for example, I think they are the most unique and balanced rn

and the tac is speed and range

yes

lol we're kind of on the same wavelength here

tho the pump has terrible range now :/

it doesn't even reach the end of the screen

yeah, pump for Power. tac for Speed/range and Shruks for Spread

yeah

shruks for stealth,

the mid range guns are not balanced at all

i cant even find any major differences in guns besides burst xD

[jovial zinc]

who can i play with it?

[cobalt zephyr]

@jovial zinc this isnt really the chat for this lol

[jovial zinc]

oh

.-.

kms

[cobalt zephyr]

looool

np dude

@cobalt zephyr i recommended a minigun. does that sound too op?

hmmm miniguns in @d tend to be, but whats your idea?

well, u need to slow down whenever carrying it

like how snipers shoot, and u lose speed

the speed should be around twice the machine guns already in the game

buuuuut

the spread is a hefty 30 degrees

tl:dr minigun: lose movement speed, insane fire speed, terrible spread

[lost acorn]

medium damage

[cobalt zephyr]

yeah

say...13 each for a rare

Hey guys! I and Many Helpers have put together this chart for weapon statistics!

(Under Construction)

(its the middle)

[lost acorn]

@cobalt zephyr when we adding squads

[cobalt zephyr]

nice!

that'll be helpful

soooooooon

its soon

hhahaa

even my email is dat boi

i forgot abt that

[vast sphinx]

whats tl:dr im sorry lol

[cobalt zephyr]

too long

didnt read

[vast sphinx]

oh lol

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

in usage at the end of a post its "here's the jist of what I just said"

[vast sphinx]

k

[cobalt zephyr]

"Just really short so you don't waste your time."

mini gun is something that people have suggested a bit, but your the first to make note of it slowing your walkspeed

well, it makes sense

u try carrying a minigun xD

perhaps it could be a special gun that functions like miniguns in in the just cause series?

[vast sphinx]

Imagine if recoil was added

[cobalt zephyr]

ur gonna slow down lmao

ok, remove all miniguns from squads

trust me

recoil is a thing.

ik how that would go down

[vast sphinx]

but major recoil

[cobalt zephyr]

its just only noticable on pump action

wut?

i dont notice it lmao

yeah, and "noticeable" might be an over statement

dont u dare make that bigger

recoil would ruin everything xD

all of the epic gunfights would be ruined

recoil in a 3d game is ok, since you can adjust easily

but recoil in a 2d game?

noonononono

wait hold on

@cobalt zephyr fists can do 36?

ive never had that happen b4

per second

oh

you punch 2 times per second

[light solar]

Recoil is when the weapon's accuracy decreases over time whilst firing

[cobalt zephyr]

that's one version of 2D recoil, ZOMBS uses push back rtecoil

in 2d or 3d

[light solar]

oh that

Yeah

[cobalt zephyr]

bc recoil isnt that

[light solar]

When you're shot, you get recoiled

[cobalt zephyr]

thats literally the gun moving around xD

[light solar]

it's somewhat annoying

[cobalt zephyr]

oh, i noticed that

thats not recoil

recoil is when you shoot the gun

and it moves you back

getting hit by it is just...getting hit

[light solar]

search it up

[cobalt zephyr]

and...moving back

is there recoil in the game when you FIRE the gun

terminology and usage differs from game to game especially for 2D, when reffering to recoil in 2D

*in ZombsR

I mean when you shoot

[light solar]

Coolbot, I'm working on walkspeed whilst firing

[cobalt zephyr]

who move backwards slightly

Recoil is when the weapon's accuracy decreases over time whilst firing

i was talking about this definition

oh wow nice, okay, lol

THAT is not recoil

xD

sry abt that @light solar

didnt specify enough

[light solar]

Ik what you ment, it's cool

[cobalt zephyr]

um

sup lmao

kill 'em ded

[graceful niche]

alanmamba#8712 has been muted.

[cobalt zephyr]

hahah

gg

gg, ez, no re, frick ye

xD

[graceful niche]

alanmamba#8712 has been warned.

[cobalt zephyr]

wanna talk in suggestions?

bc we're moving off of balancing and instead moving into suggestions

[limber violet]

thank you for unmuting me

XD

[cobalt zephyr]

lmao

np

(totally me)

[limber violet]

make a inventory button

pls

[light solar]

@cobalt zephyr Suggest an inventory button, we keep clicking the ammo and map icon.

[cobalt zephyr]

oh btw

coolbot

yeah, HUD toggle is desperately needed (especially for those with small screens)

im on tello

I'd like to post some ideas

rn im just working through comments xD

hm okay DM about it, I'll get back to you in a little bit

ok

lol well

@cobalt zephyr can u read some of my comments and look at them?

omg so many notifs on trello lol

thanks for your input!

reading now

hahaha np

so coolbot

um

can i add posts? xD

bc ive been thinking of a lot of new ideas xDD

Aim Assist

[stray storm]

that would either be useless or destroy the game

[cobalt zephyr]

lol

ikr

how would aim assist even work lmao

its a mouse xD

ik

its a joke

aim assist would be Trash

[light solar]

@cobalt zephyr Wait, can I get something for helping?

@cobalt zephyr search up how aim hacks work then, it's kind of suprising

[cobalt zephyr]

I mean, there really isn't anything I can give sorry lol.

but, your help and contribution has been noted by the mods 😉

[light solar]

k

coolio

If you guys need any more help, contact me. I will continue working on the sheet in a little bit

I can help give more ideas for the game aswell

I'm not much of a scripter

[vapid orchid]

Ah, working on the stats sheet? If so, can I give a request?

[cobalt zephyr]

@vapid orchid the RoF for burst weapons decoded:
X/s = how many total rounds are fired in a second.
X bursts = how many bursts there are per second
of X = how many bullets are fired per burst

[vapid orchid]

I know how that works, but the burst on a "6/s 2 bursts of 3" could shoot at 10 rounds per second with a 200 millisecond delay between 3 round bursts, or at 15 rounds per second with a 300 millisecond delay between bursts. or a lot more. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

[cobalt zephyr]

no like... if it was continouse fire, non burst.

it would be 6/s assuming they were not sped up

if the bullets were slowed down to match the same fire rate

but the delays were removed

it would be 6/s

[vapid orchid]

ah

[light solar]

oh boy what happened

what's the conflict

[vapid orchid]

that doesn't really help with what I'm trying to figure out though xd

I'm just trying to figure out the delay on burst weapons Wack

[light solar]

Oh

The delay between bursts

[vapid orchid]

yeah

[light solar]

2 burst of x bullets

lets say takes 1 second

well

if it is a half able number

30

2 bursts of 15 bullets

How much time does each burst take

0.4 sec = 15 bullets
0.2 Sec = Priming time
0.4 sec = 15 more bullets

1 sec = 30 bullets

Whenever I was testing the bursting, there was a priming time

You'd have to go ingame

[vapid orchid]

yes, but there's a burst delay in-between those isn't there? Meaning it'd go to over 1 second

oh

[light solar]

You can't really do it with the numbers

So burst + burst + priming time inbetween = 1 second

[vapid orchid]

yeah, ik

[light solar]

There was a big gap

for the noticable burst weapons

like AK

and AR-15

basically all of t hem

xD

You'd probably need recording software to slow it down and a equally as slowed timer

[vapid orchid]

yeah :/

[light solar]

well

gl

I'm play Geometry Dash

[vapid orchid]

Hey, I used to play that. got sick of it because Rubrub won't update the damn thing

[cobalt zephyr]

the burst delays can pretty much be figured from the ROF, if more people more accurate information on it, lmk and it is something we could try to start including in the chart.

[light solar]

^

[vapid orchid]

I was hoping to be able to look into the code sometime in the future, but idk if I'd be able to

[cobalt zephyr]

Does anyone else think shurikens have too much range?

[quiet hinge]

nerf shuriken

[waxen elm]

I think its already balanced since it is so slow in firing and it deals like 2 damage idk

[quiet hinge]

2 damage

you clearly havent played with the shurikens...

[waxen elm]

Oh crap

Its wrong

I meant to say 12

[cobalt zephyr]

but they fire 5 at once

and at a high speed

and that's probably just epic shurikens that do that much

[cobalt zephyr]

dont nerf shuriken

shurikens are gud as iz

[vast sphinx]

mythic shuriken can two or three shot people at close range

[cobalt zephyr]

ye

well i once one shot smeone but maybe they had 90ish health>

[limber violet]

buff the tac

[cobalt zephyr]

y

[obtuse osprey]

OMG

i didnt k that Green Steve is SELA ?!

[cobalt zephyr]

'tis an inside joke... they are not actually the same person... (just incase)

[obtuse osprey]

oh

[cobalt zephyr]

or... IS IT??? @gilded totem

[obtuse osprey]

QUESTION: why did u cange ur profile pic

and LOL

XD

[cobalt zephyr]

so that I and green would have matching pfp

to cause less confusion

[obtuse osprey]

oh, u BFFS ?

[cobalt zephyr]

nah green needs to be banned, I can not be freinds with someone who is constantly under the banhammer

[vast sphinx]

Inside jokes are gr8

[cobalt zephyr]

😛

[obtuse osprey]

wait, why r u not on the MODS board if u are

[vast sphinx]

🍌 banhammer

[obtuse osprey]

XD

sent friend requests

@vast sphinx and @cobalt zephyr

tks

tks too

[cobalt zephyr]

oh, becuase I forgot to tick the active light lol

[obtuse osprey]

oh there u r

what does the red light mean

[vast sphinx]

Red profile light is Do Not Disturb

[obtuse osprey]

yellow?

what is the game-balance here for

?

oh wait i k

[limpid scarab]

I really think that the pump shotgun is incredibly overpowered

maybye just have it fire a bit less bullets

[jovial zinc]

but a pump is liek fortnite op

this is game centerd around pugb and fortnite

so the pump has to be op

[vast sphinx]

Not necessarily

As you said, it is centered around the idea

but will not be exactly like fortnite/pubg detail to detail

[limpid scarab]

also when u land on top of crates, u cant open other crates

mkay bye

[cobalt zephyr]

dont land on them

...

land next to them

i dont like rpgs

the ammo is so hard to find

me too

plus the accuracy is crap

but if you find sniper rifle in box pick this up and pick up your old gun you will get ammo from this sniper rifle

#TIP

[cobalt zephyr]

you can do that with any gun

easy ammo

or find an ammo chest

[final vortex]

I'm looking for a Duo partner in Zombs Royale! Click to join my party: http://zombsroyale.io/?c=AHfv8

[cobalt zephyr]

we need some more votes

[rich nacelle]

go to #looking-for-group-old @final vortex

[cobalt zephyr]

voting goes on untill 2:30

[civic meadow]

delete this monster

[cobalt zephyr]

smaller damage will be ok

[bitter timber]

the vss is super powerful

[vapid orchid]

I like it, but it does need a nerf

[cobalt zephyr]

yea shurikens too

[stray storm]

needs a shot speed nerf

[heady grove]

Personally, I think the VSS needs a buff.

[trim juniper]

Why?

[cobalt zephyr]

good idea

[daring saddle]

nah,vss is maybe a wee bit op but its quiet rare

its only good if you got a good aim

but its alot like the auto-sniper

i still say shurikens should have atleast a rage buff

and i think there should be a bit lower pellet spread/more pellets for tactical shotgun

[limber violet]

@everyone

when is squads coming out

[light solar]

soon

[viral pumice]

No dont ever delete it

Its super rare and no one gets it

but if they do

its

[light solar]

Say what

[viral pumice]

Idk

What?

[light solar]

idk

[viral pumice]

ye

[waxen elm]

tbh the vss is kinda rare

and kinda op

[stray storm]

not that rare

[rustic osprey]

You guys should decrease bullet-travel time

[stray storm]

i dont think so

you should have a split second to try to dodge it

that way you blame yourself and not the game

[cobalt zephyr]

absolutely agree with that, the slow projectile speed certainty feels off at first, but once adjusted it really is great, gives the game a bit more of a unique feel.

[vast sphinx]

More time to react to a bullet whizzing by your character

[tropic umbra]

bullets dont go that dar

far

[cobalt zephyr]

being able shoot through your own partner feels a bit cheese.
using a downed ally as a shield to finish a short fight is kind of op because of this combined with downed players having so much hp and resistance.
that being said it is hilarious, and still has some risk too it, if you don't eliminate the opponent as quickly as thought you loose your downed ally.
but I could see it being more of an issue in squads.

[cobalt zephyr]

Add bush

[quiet hinge]

this is game balance

not foken unbalance the game

[stray storm]

Lel

So true tho

[cobalt zephyr]

@cobalt zephyr good idea~

[gilded totem]

Need Ar 15
Since AK had a 1 damage nerf

[crystal elk]

add wall building

[limber violet]

in the spread sheet how can the pump do 200 dps, if it can only do like 150 in one shot, and it takes 1 second to shoot again???

someone explain

and the tac is like 2 shots per second right

so how is it only 140

whoever did that is just wrong

[light solar]

\guys you need to remove your ads

@limber violet no

@limber violet 2 times per second

[stray storm]

Ads are great

Wait there’s ads?

[light solar]

yes

tabs that keep opening on a click

[crude pilot]

not for me

[cobalt zephyr]

um... bud that's just you

[light solar]

I just got robbed from a win

How come it only happens on zombs

I spam click anywhere else

[cobalt zephyr]

are you on a embed site or zombsroyale.io?

[light solar]

No

Zombsroyale.io

[cobalt zephyr]

Iv'e never gotten an ad, especialy not something like that

[light solar]

I'm blocking the sites with McAfee now,

[stray storm]

I think you have a virus

[light solar]

okay listen

nah fam this only happens on the single site

[stray storm]

And I think we both know from where

And by both

[light solar]

No

[stray storm]

I mean just you cause idk

[light solar]

I will literally spam my history

It's just youtube

and zombs

and gmail.com

[cobalt zephyr]

lets move to #report-a-problem

[light solar]

oh and roblox

[gilded totem]

@light solar not for me either

no ads

never gotten any ads

[vernal steppe]

Same

[gilded totem]

never gotten any ads

[vernal steppe]

N E V E R

[gilded totem]

never gotten any ads

[light solar]

Never even ever

[cobalt zephyr]

never ever... (no number under the icon means no ads blocked)

[fathom spade]

I'm looking for a Duo partner in Zombs Royale! Click to join my party: http://zombsroyale.io/?c=wImnw

[gilded totem]

only sent those in #looking-for-group-old

[mystic galleon]

i still think that sniper is op

the bolt action1 ofcorse

[cobalt zephyr]

Make bolt sniper rifle like rpg one shot and you have to reload

[blissful sonnet]

no lol hahaha dude xD

[cobalt zephyr]

Why?

[blissful sonnet]

too op too me dude

[cobalt zephyr]

Reload time is ok

[blissful sonnet]

same as da shurikens :/

[inner orchid]

@light solar download maleware bytes if you think you have a virus which opens ads

[digital jay]

Shurikens are fine

[warped viper]

Shurikens need a buff...

[shadow kiln]

nah they do alot of damage close range

[warped viper]

Only 6 shots for 3 shurikens ..

[shadow kiln]

i got hit for 54

[warped viper]

Yes but not all if them hits you :p

[shadow kiln]

they are like slow shotgun with high damage

[warped viper]

Shotguns are way better

Because if you miss it doesn't matter you have more than 6 shots

[runic bolt]

shurikens have better range

[limber violet]

a nerf in range

would be amazing

because it has a range of a sniper

[daring saddle]

i think the VSS should take med ammo

[cobalt zephyr]

^^^^^^^^

in most games it takes 9mm ammo (same as most pistols and smg's)

that would make it way too op

the only thing keeping it from being the only gun I use (bar maybe a pump) is the lack of ammo

small ammo is just way to common

[lavish schooner]

^

[hexed pike]

uh.... snipers OP much?

[bitter timber]

I agree the only reason i dont use the vss is because i run out of ammo

but when i have ammo its #1

almost always

I think every gun should have its own range

[hexed pike]

nah

[bitter timber]

so shotguns and smg's shorter range

[hexed pike]

sniper needs a range

[bitter timber]

sniper should have the most

[hexed pike]

it does

[bitter timber]

obviously

[hexed pike]

.-.

[bitter timber]

I know. What im saying is, the other guns should all have a different range than just the standard one

[hexed pike]

nah

[bitter timber]

the shotguns and smgs should have shorter range than the AR's

[cobalt zephyr]

they do have shorter range, but not shorter FoV

currently the range of almost all guns but the pump action exceeds their FoV

[rich glen]

VSS snipers are OP, needs nerf, make the rof lower

[warped viper]

VSS snipers is good for now

You need to aim,and you need bullets

[quiet hinge]

its ez win if i can find mythic of these

[cobalt zephyr]

impulse grenades need to do damage

[warped viper]

impluse grenades are used to run away

or go through walls ...

[cobalt zephyr]

prob the devs didnt mean for them to do that

[warped viper]

no they meant it

when i get knocked i use grenades to go through walls to hide and wait for my mate :v

[cobalt zephyr]

they should be used to reflect bullets

[visual sinew]

When I knock someone and they die naturally i dont get a kill... I should

[visual sinew]

are pulse nades meant to push u out of building?

[cobalt zephyr]

yes

[fierce scaffold]

wdill

join duo 4

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[vast sphinx]

Please put duo invites in #looking-for-group-old next time @fierce scaffold

[valid gulch]

anyone need help taking dubs

[bitter scarab]

go in #looking-for-group-old @valid gulch

[valid gulch]

k

im waiting

[rigid folio]

Ok

[valid gulch]

anyone up for duos

[bitter scarab]

I meant ask for people in #looking-for-group-old @valid gulch

not here

[solemn shore]

smoke grenade buff bigger radius or duration

plz

[bold raven]

nerf SMG's there 2 OP

And please make there a bigger difference between AR's

BUFF shotguns

Pump is needing a big buff in my opinon

[solemn shore]

yeah pump need buff it recently got nerfed

pump is now just shit compared to tactical shotgun

[bold raven]

tacs bad aswell though

[solemn shore]

but its better than pump

[bold raven]

ya

if there were headshots chances i would say make pump have High chance

[solemn shore]

yeah a headshot/crit thing would be cool

[bold raven]

I will add in #suggestions

[solemn shore]

alright

[bitter timber]

No way. Random crits are the worst way to balance a game

how is adding luck and removing skill balanced

[cobalt zephyr]

not luck... have like a few pixel point through the player front to back that if you hit between it crits

trying to explain good

@bitter timber in that sense, it is adding more skill

[bitter timber]

what did you just say

[cobalt zephyr]

because you have to hit certain areas

[bitter timber]

how is adding a RANDOM effect adding skill

[cobalt zephyr]

its not random

u have to hit certain pixels

[bitter timber]

he wrote originally headshot "chances"

"if there were headshots chances i would say make pump have High chance"

[cobalt zephyr]

ok

then scratch that

[bitter timber]

yea

[cobalt zephyr]

"If you hit certain pixels than you get a crit" - @cobalt zephyr

[bitter timber]

But i dont think adding crit zones would be great either, it would be really hard to synchronize between all 100 players

[cobalt zephyr]

maybe

yea kinda

but ehhhhh

[bitter timber]

and since the character models can turn as fast as you physically can It would be almost impossible

[cobalt zephyr]

thats why getiing a crit should be hard, but do able

[lavish geyser]

I don't think crits should be added. Just up the damage up shotguns, increase the damage drop-off of shotguns and smgs, and increase sniper damage. Increase shuriken and cactus-bomb damage.

This would make OP weapons balanced and under-powered weapons more useable

[warped viper]

wtf

''increase cactus-bomb damage''

yeah why not make it a one shot weapon ?

[lavish geyser]

because it is likely to damage yourself as well

so why use it

[vast sphinx]

Cactus bomb is already incredibly powerful

[lavish geyser]

its powerful but it is likely to damage the person using it

[warped viper]

no

just hide

or throw it trought a window

in a house

[lavish geyser]

window is the best option

[vast sphinx]

Risk/Reward weapon, risk killing the enemy but damaging yourself in the process

[warped viper]

or you just open the door and close if just after

[simple fractal]

But taking damage from cactus bomb can easily be avoided by not going into buildings.

[quiet hinge]

avoiding camping yes

[minor forum]

Tried the VSS, best of the assault and enhanced scoped rifles.

Got last 4 kills in game

[brave wolf]

Yes

[minor forum]

RocketLauncher should have higher blast but have a smaller projectile

Self Rocket Explosion is the most common death lol

[cobalt zephyr]

@cobalt zephyr check the pin for info on weapon stats

[silk crown]

the cactuses that come out of the cactus bomb needs to increase in damage

[cobalt zephyr]

what is the pin

what?

I mean the pinned comment

[bitter scarab]

cool how you get ss that fast without gyazo

[cobalt zephyr]

ShareX

its free too

[bitter scarab]

extention or download?

[cobalt zephyr]

program

you can set tons of hotkeys to take quick screenies

[bitter scarab]

I'll stick wth gyazo lol

[cobalt zephyr]

and it has tons of stuff I don't even use

[bitter scarab]

gyazo is easier

[cobalt zephyr]

ok thank you

[silk crown]

make health for knocked down people a little smaller so we dont have to unload multiple clips on them

espcially when it's early game

[bitter jewel]

how do you know the dmg that every gun does?

[warped viper]

Bollt-action sniper is underated

it's a 2 hit kill

even if it's common

[finite mulch]

Tough to hit with though cause you have to lead the shot and unlike a lot of shooters, other players can actually see your bullets coming at them and dodge

[scarlet bone]

Hey everyone, we just added Flamethrowers into the game. Let us know what you think about them - I will be in VC tomorrow if you want to talk to me directly about them :]

[livid storm]

flamethrowers suck

remove them

[sterile orchid]

I Haven't tested Them though

[livid storm]

i hate them so much ;-;

[sterile orchid]

;-;

[livid storm]

ok

[last oriole]

if u add building add just walls

[warped viper]

Flamethrowers is the worst weapon in the game right now @scarlet bone

The range is too small

it uses a lot of ammo

and don't deal a lot damage

Please add more range,make it uses less ammo,add damage.

and when you hit someone with it even if he got away

he will still ''burn''

so it's more worth using it

[raven drift]

^ add a "burn" effect

the flamethrower is trash

and even unrealistic without it's burning effect that causes to the opponents

[warped viper]

it's useless now ...

no player will come that close to you

he will just use any weapong

and still win

[raven drift]

I could see it being useful when someone's camping.

[last oriole]

i got it and the "bullet speed" is awful

[raven drift]

you could just go up close to him but the damage is also trash.

[warped viper]

when you are that close to him

he will still be able to kill you

[last oriole]

it's slow like, 1 hour after i move my mouse it goes to the target

[warped viper]

a common pistols deals the same damage as a flamethrower

[raven drift]

flamethrower would be nice against campers but it's too garbage of a weapon...

it's range, damage plus there's no "burn" effect which is unrealistic

[warped viper]

that's what i said ...

[raven drift]

and I repeated matey mate.