Food production

[idle mango]

First of all, I wanted to point out how insane it's to have to spend 113 MILLION food to level up a dragon to 70. And this is absurd for the following reasons:

1. All the food quantities given in chests are absurdly low. Even the Alliance Chest doesn't meet our needs. Especially if you are at a low level

2. There is no good way to farm food

— 2.1 VIP food-producing dragons are no longer being released
— 2.2 Positive and Negative produce very low food. Even having 70 of them doesn't give us even 3M per harvest, which costs us MANY jorbs
— 2.3* The farms that cost 20 MILLION are too expensive for the game's gold farming level, making them unfeasible if done on all 14 farms

3. There are no large chests constantly available in the game
   Most are:
   — 3.1 In the Wizards' Hollow (many gems spent)
   — 3.2 In the Alliance Chest (time, gems, orbs spent)
   — 3.3 By watching MANY ads (time)

As a player with a big account, I "can avoid" these expenses, but for new players, it's very difficult to get a decent amount of food

And this is the next topic

4. There is no food for beginners. With all the difficulties mentioned above, have you thought about someone who started playing TODAY? I have a secondary account and it's extremely difficult to do anything related to food. This discourages players who don't see significant growth when they start

5. THERE'S NO GOLD*
   I have +1100 dragons and produce over 50M gold per harvest, but that's NOT enough to sustain 30 days of 20M gold farming. This costs 8 BILLION, and the production can't replenish it

My dragons are producing gold at the maximum power their elements allow, and it's not enough

In short: the game should rework its entire food system; it's unsustainable. Even more so now with so many VIP dragons to focus on. It should worry about new players, f2p players, and not just the whales and hackers with infinite food. If you agree, please the post; maybe it will lead to something

[fathom spindle]

113 millions is appropriate amount of food for a level 70 dragon
The ptoblems Nowadays is the exponential amount of dragons need for different quest with High requierement
Each 40 days you need food for level 70 Hvip and Mvip level 55×3 [2 Vip from temporary album + 1Lvip for his skin] and 4 level 61 [2Mvip and 2 Lvip for sticker album quests] without addi g side food costs like a new return event!
I mean some quest especially the new Vip family or return event Vip need level 61/70 for their quest But for album quest or temporary album quest we need just empowering cost no food cost

I agree with you about Vip dragon since HAS has no food production. I know everyone will have extraordinary food production but come in we can make It food produ tion as an exclusive feature for Lvip ONLY for every family since HAS
And all Lvip after Has will have 40/min food production at kevel 61 this way is much more balanced

I have a suggestion to added pos/neg orbs in alliance chest

This alliance chest come once per month and give you like 500 orbs total of Pos/Nega [250×2] at level 6 chest
This is balanced with the extra ordinary amount of VIp and quest needed now

[idle mango]

We constantly have to choose which dragon to feed because we can't enjoy all the quest rewards due to lack of food. It's annoying that they take this fun away from the average player, since that would be the charm of the game: being able to earn your rewards without spending a fortune in gold and planning ahead by weeks

If I didn't have the Silencer and Evader empowered beforehand, I certainly wouldn't be able to complete all the coliseum quests because the Doom would take all my food

[pulsar phoenix]

You guys don't realise this but these games are built on a slow progress machanism. These companies want you to spend most of your time in this game.. that's how they make profits Outta it. If u want fast progress, you gotta pay and if u don't, you'll pay from your time.. and time is more expensive than money wich is obvious so they make much more profits frm f2P playes those who spend most amount of time playing the game than P2W (which ofc. You can see yourself that how f2p players are exploited by showing ADs). Nothing is for fee, if it is, then you're the product. So they'll never want you to progress fast because you'll lose interest over the time frm the game and that's the last thing they want. So forget it.. they'll never see through this.. however they can lower the lvl required of the dragons for its quest like they did for a few. They're not going beyond that no matter how unsatisfied you are. If they don't hear you, they might just lose a player, and if they did, they'll lose countless others. You're smart enough to understand which one is sustainable for them.

However, I agree that they should increase the food production of the food farm.. if they want that lol. Thts a ridiculous amount of food for so much of gold.

[fathom spindle]

I'm paying money and time and still not enough !

[idle mango]

I know nothing will change as long as they're making money, that's obvious. I didn't comment thinking I'd start a revolution; many other worse things have already been posted here in the feedback section and they ignored them

But I at least wanted there to be a debate in the community since this bothers everyone here. Even time isn't enough to be good at this game. Like I said, they're going to keep losing players in droves, just like they did with the album being locked and manipulated, nobody stays in a game with such slow progression for that long

[undone verge]

I really wish and hope devs do something huge , like really huge for Dragon City's 14th anniversary, like bringing back the freeding frenzy for 1 week, or reduce the ammount of needed to feed lower rarity dragons
And defitnely giving ALL vip dragons there respectively food production. 😞

[plush vigil]

Max amount of fpc gain per year without gemming is 4.5m

[brittle linden]

I would like to add a couple of points.

1. The Mystery Food Boxes % of dropping anything above the Small Food Box is extremely low. It did not use to be like this. They manipulated the odds to be even lower than they were a couple years ago.
   It needs to be fixed to be a real 25% chance for each type of Food Box (Small, Medium, Large, Extra Large).

2. The maximum number of Food Farms is 17 (which unlocks around Level 175 if I recall correctly). At 20 Million Gold per Food Farm, that is 340 Million Gold per day. For 30 Days, that is 10.2 Billion Gold for 84.15 Million Food. That is not even close to enough to feed 1 Level 70 dragon that is Empowered to 5 Stars.
   For Food Farms, increase the Food Produced for each level of Gold spent, like for the 20 Million gold option, make it at least 200,000 Food for Stellar Fruit instead of the current 150,000 and change it to 215,000 for the Alliance Option of Interstellar Fruit (instead of the current 165,000).

3. The x2 Ad options in events like the Maze have been purposely removed by SP for the most part. You do not get the option for most things now. You used to get the x2 Ad option for pretty much everything before, even for the Event Insignia, but now, you don't even get it for Food Boxes 8 times out of 10 (in my experience).
   They need to fix this so that we get the x2 Ad option for everything every time, and people can choose not to use it if they don't want to watch an Ad. It is that simple.

[wraith seal]

No quest has required lvl 70 except mvip skin quests. All they want is 61
Sticker quests give all stickers with lvl 56. Rerun quests also want only 61, except last rerun which needed 60.
But your points are right. We need more food

[fathom spindle]

Thanks

[wraith seal]

A few things here
Posneg do make good food. 25.2k every 6 hours, which may not seem like alot but then you realize how cheap they are. Only 100 orb summons. And the fact that they're legendary makes them easy to empower & recall to summon more.
For "no consistent large food chests" alliance chest gives quite a lot. Mazes also give a good amount of food. Ads if your f2p give an extraordinary amount of food. But of course other than ads chest none are a consistent part every day.
While the points are correct, saying these dont give much food is just isnt right

[idle mango]

To make almost 3M per collection, 9M if 3 times a day, you need 70 posneg, full Moon Island, which takes a lot of time and resources considering how slow everything is in this game. I'm level 104 and the Alliance chest currently gives me about 8M, but to level up a dragon from 1 to 40, the lowest possible progress, already costs 6M, so this chest isn't as grand as it seems. Ads are like 90, please nobody with life will watch this

[idle mango]

Food production in VIPs are soooo necessary

[subtle gazelle]

60 you mean

[wraith seal]

Its 119 posneg for 3M fpc assuming lvl 30

[idle mango]

Neither 70 nor 60, I recalculated and it's >105< to reach 3M. 10,500 orbs, 630M of food for everyone to reach level 40

70 is to reach 2M, even worse

Assuming lvl 40

[undone verge]

I have this bad edit which i add the food production to this vips, stitcher and arcana judgement.
But yea, i wish and hope we have this on game 🙁

[subtle gazelle]

I meant the ads

[idle mango]

It's 90

[fathom spindle]

Yes this but 106 is too much
A 40/min for all VIPs except heroic 80/min is well balanced

[undone verge]

It was just an bad edit, i did it very fast jaja

[grand pollen]

oh cmon man if it wasnt 106 at level 70 then what would it be 💀

[fathom spindle]

Maximum 50 at level 70
Iy ahould he balanced imagine all your VIP dragon have 106/min that's unbalanced

[grand pollen]

...you do realize that food DOES and SHOULD increase with the level???

[fathom spindle]

Bro you don't understamd what I'm saying
Having 50 at level 70 for all VIP is better to not have food production at all

Vip dragon 5 new VIP dragon realised each 42 days what
If we incorporate 106 at level 70 for all VIP the game will be unbalanced and the value of food become like gold which shouldn't be

[trail yoke]

Exactly it still makes no sense lmao

[trail yoke]

So you got a lvl 70 dragon for once and you think you need to not be compensated got it

[fathom spindle]

???

[trail yoke]

We can tell you love living paycheck to paycheck and hand-to-mouth

[timber totem]

This is why game feedback needs to have a level+experience requirement IMO. The game cannot accommodate beginners without completely breaking it for endgame players.

1. Food quantities in chests (including alliance) increase substantially with player level. This, along with habitat limit increase, are the ONLY REASONS for having a level system in this game at all. You're supposed to struggle with leveling up for the first 1-2 years of gameplay. You're supposed to shift your priorities AFTER you reach level 200.

2. People having 6-hour food income that is far greater than the traditional food farms' 24-hour production is extremely common now. Pos/neg food production adds up hella quick, is permanent and requires no gold investment.

3. There are people in this game with more than a trillion gold and nothing to spend it on. There are thousands of players with more than 100b gold and nothing to spend it on. Everyone at endgame is collecting more than 180m gold every 4 hours. That's over a billion a day

4. There is a ridiculous amount of gems flooding into beginner accounts through Tapjoy. It's extremely overpowering and totally possible to receive over a million gems FOR FREE if you actually know what you're doing and can think outside the box

5. There is a finite amount of food required to "beat the game" and have every dragon at level 70 (roughly 250b food currently). In late endgame, it becomes possible to reach a certain plateau where food production is no longer needed and will become equally as useless as gold

Hope that helps

[idle mango]

The endgame players need to understand they aren't the only ones playing the game

Imagine asking someone to only focus on priorities like empower and summon strong dragons after lvl200 in 2 years? Please bro, it's better just leave the game

I have 30 posneg and them produce 864.000, which is too low for the quantity of dragons

No one with life will spend their time on so many tapjoys that will give like 10 gems cuz the 150 gems recompense is a lvl 600 on a trash game

The Alliance chests gives me 13M food and that was not even enough to level a dragon 41 to 50, stopping at 48

That's my account right now. I'm using the 14 farms for almost a month, always having alliance chest 6, 30 posneg and others producers. All this is still not enough

[grand pollen]

why are you now insulting people by saying that they dont have a life? it really doesnt help your point only makes you look rude 🤷‍♂️

[idle mango]

I said people with life will not waste time in a game, cuz games are not supposed to take your time like that. I don't insulted anyone

[timber totem]

What level are you and how long have you been playing

[grand pollen]

there was just NO NEED to tell people to quit the game
it added absolutely nothing except for a dig against people who are more advanced since theyre disagreeing with your post - for a good reason

[idle mango]

I'm 104, my account have around 12 years, I came back like 3 years ago. My profile

[timber totem]

Getting to 200 is a pain in the ass but we all had to deal with the same grind, you simply cant focus on every aspect of the game simultaneously, you have to do things in a certain sequence

[grand pollen]

and you dont need 200 just 151 for the max food

[idle mango]

If you felt bothered by a disagreement with a suggestion that most players don't follow, that's a matter of sensitivity on your part

[wraith seal]

Well idk how your expecting to have enough food with only 30 posneg. Thats not many

[grand pollen]

yeah people give out advice a lot and the first thing is to work on pos/neg
also NOT to level 70 cosmic?? idk why you did that
also idk why you level 70ed pega, gale, and hexed, 61 i understand but thats 120 mil wasted right there

[timber totem]

Also, if you were SP, what do you think makes more sense to focus on

Listen to beginners who most likely aren't going to be playing in another year from now, or figure out how to prevent the endgame players from quitting (who all pretty much spend money consistently for years to reach their level of progress)

[grand pollen]

and if youre f2p then ads give way more than fpc anyway, might as well do that
there are SO MANY issues with the game rn, food is actually NOT an issue because we actually have food producers that take only 100 orbs to summon
thats REALLY REALLY good, imagine if only recent vips produced food
that would be just SO MUCH worse

[idle mango]

And I know that. I was focusing in summon posneg, but was not strong in arenas, so I changed my focus. But when I saw I had the dragons I wanted, where's the food? 🤡
Yk, it's frustrating have better dragons but the food quantities dont match

[timber totem]

Right, because you're not even midgame yet

[idle mango]

That's why me and the other guy are saying to increase the food production?

[wraith seal]

My point is you cant be complaining your not making infinite food when you barely put any effort into it. You only have 30 posneg

[grand pollen]

the other guy was saying to cap it at 50 fpm 💀 thats literally a nerf

[timber totem]

How exactly can they increase food production (for you) without breaking the game for everyone else

[idle mango]

I said what I was doing above

[idle mango]

The players you said with infinite posneg farm are already molded for the state of the game now, so to them any increase will broke the game yk. But I'm looking for the low level players, or not even so low, cuz 30 dragons dont produce even 1M? It's strange just for me?

[timber totem]

Yes because we're all playing the same game lol. You aren't disadvantaged in any way, you can achieve exactly the same FPC as I have or anyone else

[idle mango]

Im not saying that posneg need to produce 200 food. But a little increase will be good

[timber totem]

We all started with 0

I understand it can be overwhelming for newcomers because they've missed out on ~13 years worth of game time, but that's just how games work

[timber totem]

How much do you think they should produce

[idle mango]

Yes, I know that, but just because life was hard for the older generation doesn't mean it can't get better for the younger generation. I come from a time when the best dragon was the Legacy dragon, and I wasn't annoyed when I discovered the heroics

[idle mango]

Dunno 100 maybe. A decent quantity

[wraith seal]

At what level

[timber totem]

Okay, so if it got increased to 100, you'd be getting an additional 216k per 6 hours

How exactly is that helpful to you

[idle mango]

40, how is it now with 80

[timber totem]

Is that gonna change the game for you my friend

[wraith seal]

Thats such a small increase.

[idle mango]

You know im not calculating nothing while responding you, right?

[timber totem]

You don't have to calculate anything. My first and foremost point is obvious - they can't accommodate such requests from entry level players without breaking the game for everyone else

[idle mango]

Even so, it's not my responsibility to know the exact number, because as mentioned above, there are players with huge outputs, and that deserves evaluation by the development team. All I did was complain, just like other friends of mine also complain. If it doesn't matter to you, that's fine; you're not obligated to care

[idle mango]

And how I said, the endgame players already have high production, the increase will be nothing for them

[balmy herald]

Good evening, adding to this topic, I think the best addition without breaking the game is to improve food production on the farms. Regarding pos/neg, I think they produce well, I don't think it needs to be increased. The big problem is the time it takes to summon them, which in a week you can only summon 3.
And for beginners, it's mandatory to watch the ads, whether you like them or not. I have a 100% free-to-play secondary account where I watch the ads to get the XXL box, and just by accumulating them I have 280M of food

[idle mango]

Yeah that's a good point too

[timber totem]

If they increased it by even just a small amount, like 20, it wouldn't change a thing about the game for you AT ALL. However, I would gain an additional 20 million per 6 hours. So I would be getting over 100m FPC. Any such change would exponentially favor endgame players such as myself and do almost nothing for you. In order for it to actually make the game easier for you, the increase would have to be so ridiculously high

Do you not realize how busted this suggestion is

[grand pollen]

i have a f2p main and i got 9.5 mil food from ads per day (when i bother to watch them)

[idle mango]

If with this mini increase you will gain 20M food, food don't matter to you, that's the point. Endgame dont have what to do on this topic

[viral shard]

how?

[timber totem]

Improving farm production has been suggested for years. I suggested that back in 2020. It's not happening and nobody knows why. People who suggested that years ago now don't even need the farms anymore lol

[idle mango]

It's obvious that food is a major source of income for SP

Cuz or you buy food with real money or you buy gems to buy food

[grand pollen]

level 151

[timber totem]

Yes, because people have more money than sense and don't actually care to spend wisely

[viral shard]

does food chest increase food given with level or somthing?

[idle mango]

That's sad actually lol

[timber totem]

We've got players spending $300 on the webstore for garbage just so they could get the new apocalypse drag on the 1st day

[viral shard]

is there like a table to see what lvl gives how much food?

[grand pollen]

i can just tell you....

[idle mango]

Mygooood the first dragon of this family was literally R$11.000 in my country

SP has a big problem with regionalized pricing. That's another thing to complain about

[grand pollen]

then complain about that

[timber totem]

It's because people were spoofing their location to get significantly cheaper prices on the packs

[grand pollen]

theres a lot of stuff that needs fixing, food is the LEAST of my concerns cuz pos/neg is obv not the ideal strat, every vip would be much better for everyone but its FINE, we get more than enough either way, and id rather they fix the million actually relevant bugs

[timber totem]

Yeah especially now with L jokers being so cheap/more common and nobody actually needs to even build L drags anymore

[grand pollen]

exactly

[idle mango]

Not me, I'll leave that to those who spend money on the game

[grand pollen]

there are bugs that affect f2ps

[timber totem]

You say that but seem to forget how scarce L jokers used to be, especially before Mythic rarity became a thing lol

[idle mango]

Buddy we change the topic and you still there lol, if you dont agree just leave the feedback so

[idle mango]

Yess, one friend of mine bought gems with this method and pum, get banned

[timber totem]

And now that I think about it, adding M rarity is probably the greatest thing that they could have done to help the lower players

[idle mango]

Other thing that was hard, one thing dont erase others