👶beginner-help

[spiral badge]

for finality for now she's in reserve work bp shop

but be mindful currency for this isn't fast to accumulate

!faq crystallum

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/V2DM62R.png

standard dorm supply technically exists but the odds to it are so astronomically low overall that it's prob not something to focus on

if you ever just want to enjoy playing a valk you don't own, keep in mind you can access a trial from her tutorials (attack > events tab > tactics class)

[crystal sluice]

Haha I mean finality

[crystal sluice]

Youre right, thank you!

[spiral badge]

for future reference, finality is referred to as HoFi

and you can look these up with glossary in the pins

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Glossary of Terms

There are so many abbreviations, Captain! What do they mean?

Use CTRL + F or 'Find in Page' to quick search abbreviations in the Glossary of Terms: e.g., ' RC ' (the spaces help!)

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

Still not sure? [Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Visual Guide for using the Glossary (applies to both PC and Mobile).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

bringing this up here for convenience (only profs and mod roles can do this, but you can search in the channel) but yeah pins are the place to look

[ashen vine]

Is it worth pulling Luna divine key she is only s rank or should i save my crystals for others?

[abstract sequoia]

i'd say it depends on your crystal count. prefer pulling for mei first

unless you really cannot afford her with her weapon

Luna is still a viable valkyrie with her divine key, even on S rank

[rigid tulip]

Hi guys. i started the game like 3 days ago. what should I even do?

this is what my box is like

and i am 70 pulls away of getting dawnbearing. and they also have starter supplies. should I get them?

[ancient needle]

Unless you're willing to buy a certain valk box that costs 1680 B-chips you should keep pulling her for now

And when you get her you should get her weapon as well (non-negotiable)

For teams to use without her you can refer to this:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

Starter Supply is not worth at all, don't do more than 1 pull that the Starter Manual demands

For general info you can check the pins, this is a good starting point:

!faq lost

[small willow]

Feeling Lost?

I got this, Captain!

The following guides are a good starting point to help you feel like you know what you're supposed to be doing as Captain of the Hyperion!

See the channel pins of #👶beginner-help for more:

• Account Progression Pointers: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• What to pull right now: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Valkyries you should buy for Asterite: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!
• Clearing up misconceptions about the meta: [Click here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[ancient needle]

I'd do it on Badum but opinions differ

Don't forget to get a Sensei in #🇪🇺-cadet-recruit btw, you get solid rewards from that and you wanna do it as early as possible

[toxic sundial]

Hi I just came back to the game and I was wondering if someone could give me a team? I understand that my account may be weird

[crystal sluice]

Is it worth it investing in these divine key things? I picked this one to give Raiden a weapon while I pull for her signature weapon.

[serene crystal]

Who has weapon of the astral ring valks?

[toxic sundial]

All of them have a weapon except thelema, she’s using the sleepy Teri weapon. Helia does not have her weapon too

[serene crystal]

Yes you should upgrade it so that you can max the damage % gene limit at least

[serene crystal]

TFM:C, HLE,DA:FL for fire/quantum
Simp,TFM:C,DA:FL/HLE for lightning
DA:FL,HLE,TFM:C for SD

[ancient needle]

It's TFM:C ☝️ 🤓

[serene crystal]

May need to use HLE, VBm, RC for ice but it may just be worse then off-element

Remembered for the first one but forgot it after that.
I don't know why I default to the wrong order.

For teambuilding see the last link

You want to match dps with supports with the right tag

[crystal sluice]

Should I be entering AMPHO? Seems lore important but theres stuff in the training guide for it.
Im only on the part where Kiana turned into HoV(?)

[serene crystal]

APHO was released while the story was ongoing so is fairly vague about what happens in the main story. You can ask in #📚honkai-lore for when people feel it is a good idea to read it. The pinned reading order has it as whenever you want to. https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/User:Haps_Vier?profile=no

I would personally wait until you are done with the quantum sea chapters.

[toxic sundial]

I’m sorry I don’t understand who those are

[serene crystal]

see pinned glossary

[novel schooner]

i feel like such a loser not knowing what any of this means

[jade garnet]

Don't worry u will learn with time

Im kinda in the same boat as you Im considering coming back for the first time in 2.5 years I gotta learn everything from scratch cause most of my knowledge is now irrelevant or outdated

But it will really get easier to understand with time the more u practice

[crystal sluice]

I started the game 2 days ago and got Mei and her equipment early...
Wasnt playing for her reccomended supports, someone else in this sub said use this team but Im not sure what Bronya does, I feel like the option to switch to her never appears.
Is there a rotation im supposed to do?

[ancient needle]

1. It should be Mei leader, and use Dreamseeker and not Jingwei
2. Do her rotation (QTE -> ult -> WA) right after Coralie's

You should be doing Coralie's ground taps, they'll trigger her QTE

[quick birch]

make sure the QTE skill is unlocked and also unlock her first SP skill

[crystal sluice]

Ah do I need weapon for this? I dont have it yet but everything that can be unlocked is

[ancient needle]

No

[quick birch]

nah you just need to unlock skills

[bitter forum]

any weapon alternative for mei?

[quick birch]

no signatures are mandatory

[crystal sluice]

So basically dont pull unless you can get battlesuit and weapon

[ancient needle]

Until you get her sig just use whatever highest ATK katana you alr have

[crystal sluice]

Good to know

[ancient needle]

(don't upgrade it beyond lvl 35 unless it's Jizo Mitama)

[quick birch]

not having the signature will always result in a 20%-60% dmg loss depending on the valk and often time you will also lose utility like timestop, SP regeneration or other things depending on the valk

[ancient needle]

20-60%

(20-60% what btw )

[quick birch]

yeah, also do you know how to use coralie in this team)

[quick birch]

[low ridge]

I have 5 dollars what should I buy (I have monthly card)

[quick birch]

you'd probably wanna look for cheap high value bundles in the shop, you can compare the bundles by dividing the number of crystals you get by how many Bchips you'd pay

!faq whaling

[small willow]

Cost-effective Spending

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the cost-effective whaling guide!

Short answer:

1. Level Rush and very high value B-Chip Bundles.
2. Monthly Card.
3. Level bundles (will expire if left too long).
4. Knight BP.
5. Crystal top-up with 2x bonus.
6. B-Chip packs (find highest Crystal:B-Chip ratio)
7. Paladin BP.
8. Crystal top-up without 2x bonus.

[quick birch]

for some more insight read this

[crystal sluice]

Lol no
Im so early game ive just been winging it
Even Mei solo can clear the stuff im at

[crystal sluice]

Knight bp better than paladin? Trying to get as many crystals as possible to get the weapon before the end
50+ days is a lot though so maybe I dont need either

[low ridge]

I don’t think paladin gives you extra crystals, correct me if I’m wrong

[quick birch]

yeah thought so that mei would be pretty good without a propper rot atm lmao,

Before the fight
Make XDC the leader
Turn off VBm's QTE

At the start of the fight, press VBm wa 2x, then shortly before the boss spawns, jump -> basic attack so that hits the boss and that you generate a dot above Coralie's HP bar, then press WA, which consumes the dot and debuffs the enemy (this specific attack also restores ARI if stellar drain is available).

• QTE to TA

• ult

• WA

• QTE to mei

• WA

• BA x2

• ult x2

• CA

• BA x 3

• WA

• BA x 2

• ult x 2

• CA

• CA

swap to vbm

• jump

• BA

• WA

• QTE to TA

• ult

• WA
  repeat the mei rotation

for SO you can't really max her potential yet because of a lack of proper supports so if it's available just

• enter SO
• ult x 2
• ca
• do basics for a few seconds until WA is ready
• WA
  then go back to her normal rotation, you'd need to replace the mei qte with another BA x 3 and the timing on maintaining the VBm buffs at full stacks is a bit close so you might op to just reset the rotation after Mei's first CA

if you don't get anything here feel free to ask

[low ridge]

Only reason you’d wanna buy paladins is because it gives you 30 levels on purchase and maybe some stuff for afixes

[quick birch]

if you're a beginner you have enough time and resources to get mei weapon without a problem

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https://i.imgur.com/cLo3YY5.png

basically this

arguably the main appeal is the exclusive profile frame

overall paladin isn't really worth in value

[crystal sluice]

This is so helpful, tysm!

[low ridge]

Yep basically

[crystal sluice]

Similar to HSR then. I probably wont get it

[low ridge]

Have you used a invite code yet if not you can use mine 108348516JJ if your on na servers

[spiral badge]

the levels aren't really a concern as long as you're active enough but i suppose it's nice for those who were or are planning to slack a bit

[quick birch]

that event already ended for them

you can only enter a code until level 26

[spiral badge]

if both of you are below captain level 80, consider being someone's cadet too

[low ridge]

Oh my God I’ve been trying to get people to use my invite code for six months now I only have one person

Lmaooo

[quick birch]

it does take time, i'm pretty active in this channel and still havent maxed it yet

[crystal sluice]

Im level 40

[spiral badge]

the cadet system is basically only available until you reach (beyond?) 80 and has limited/missable rewards including crystals

it's supposed to be a system to pair a veteran and a new player but there's hardly any need for real interactions

[low ridge]

YOU CAN BE MY CADET. I REALLY NEED ONE.

AND I’M PRETTY ACTIVE AND I HAVE DECENT KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME

[spiral badge]

you need to be captain lv 80+ to be a sensei iirc?

[ancient needle]

Ye

[low ridge]

I’m lvl 86

[spiral badge]

oh ok you're fine then

[low ridge]

What does iirc mean I see a lot of people use it

[spiral badge]

if i recall correctly

[low ridge]

Oh I’m going to start using that

[ancient needle]

Someone's being fancy

[spiral badge]

you're only saying this now? lol

[crystal sluice]

O

How do I do that

[low ridge]

I don’t know…

[crystal sluice]

O

[quick birch]

add each other in game and send the other person a cadet request

[low ridge]

Let’s ask @quick birch

[quick birch]

too fast

[crystal sluice]

Lol

[low ridge]

Here’s my stuff

I think you just need the id

Or I can add you

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https://i.imgur.com/9e3BLy7.png https://i.imgur.com/qT2uqd2.png

[crystal sluice]

This is me

[spiral badge]

and then it should be along the right side here when opening a profile https://i.imgur.com/gtaZ8du.png

but i have two cadets so i can't see it atm

you don't need to add each other as friends but might as well lol

[crystal sluice]

I can send friend request then

[spiral badge]

once added as cadet/sensei you can see each other in the tab here of the find friend menu on the right https://i.imgur.com/ic179Y2.png

[low ridge]

Ok I’m loading in and I’ll add you

[low ridge]

Ok I sent a request

[crystal sluice]

Accepted it

[spiral badge]

make sure it's a cadet request (can also send a friend request too. they're separate things)

check the sensei/cadet menu

[bitter forum]

can i get 50 pulls before mei leaves for her ewpaon

[ancient needle]

Looks like you're very new

[cinder peak]

Got lucky and finished banner earlier than expected. Should I try to go for songque elf?

[ancient needle]

In which case quite easily

[bitter forum]

i'm not but i have a ton of content to do still i think

[quick birch]

!Faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

Check this out for some ideas to farm crystals

[quick birch]

As in pull extra for her ? Na you'd need to spend way too much

[ancient needle]

You'll need to do 23 more pulls, too risky imo

[lyric anvil]

Carnival plus 3

[bitter forum]

do charas in elysiam realm use teh equipmen toyu have on them]?

[lyric anvil]

Yes
But in shallow sequence you're given trial Valks with their signatures

[ancient needle]

No, I meant Carnival + 23

[bitter forum]

how long does it take to save up for a new characters with weapon 💀

[lyric anvil]

Oh

[cinder peak]

1 full version

[quick birch]

F2ps should be able to get a char + wep every 2 patches guaranteed but with average luck you should get like 3/4 releases

[bitter forum]

oh 🤔

btw why's anni rewards so dry is this normal i was expecting some selector or smt

[quick birch]

There will be a selector box the log in event just isn't there yet

[lyric anvil]

I think that's next week

[bitter forum]

does it include part 2 unit?

[cinder peak]

Should I try get one more piece? Cuz I only have 6 cubes rn

[lyric anvil]

Not yet

[quick birch]

Nope, everyone up until HoTr

[lyric anvil]

^

[bitter forum]

is there anyone there that is still good then 🤔

[quick birch]

Not really but I'd keep it until we have more news about 8.8

Most of the characters in there are also in war treasury just fyi

[lyric anvil]

Think that has also affix devices?

Unless I'm thinking of the ones in the event

[bitter forum]

oh well, last questio nin asterite supply i should be buying, boltstorm and blastmetal only right?

[quick birch]

Follow the asterite investment list in the pins

[low ridge]

Do you have the weapon yet

[cinder peak]

yeah got wp alr

[bitter forum]

is htere no part 2 fu hua yet?

[low ridge]

So I’m almost 100% sure that you definitely should stop there because it’s not worth it pulling for Stigmata’s saying that you can craft them and there is a lot of events going on where you can get cubes and there’s more events coming that will give more cubes and also if you have boxes from old events, you can use those and select cubes and also you can turn your extra stigmas that you may have from other characters into cubes but only if they’re extras

[low ridge]

Also are you new?

[crystal sluice]

Whats usually in the selector?
Is HoFi there?

[cinder peak]

Nope

[crystal sluice]

Damn.

[turbid fossil]

Heyy ive been playing every other hoyo game (genshin/hsr/zzz) ever since they released but never got into honkai. Is HoV good or is she bad.

[crystal sluice]

Any of her teammates???

[lyric anvil]

Just HoTr

[lyric anvil]

Not yet

[low ridge]

Bad but good for early game just for the story and stuff. I wouldn’t recommend leveling her up past like 40.

[quick birch]

she's can't really compete with the current roster but is still decent for early game

!faq HoV

ugh

[lyric anvil]

Lyo can say otherwise

[quick birch]

ah nvm that was the right one

!faq HoV

[small willow]

Herrscher of the Void

We meet again, human.

Is it worth it to invest in HoV?

Short Answer: No, absolutely not.

Long Answer:

• HoV's maximum potential: [See here](#🎮honkai-chat message)!
  • Full HoV guide for dedicated fans: See here!

[lyric anvil]

[turbid fossil]

who should i aim for? i been wishing on raiden meis new battlesuit which is the reason i got into HI3rd but who should i use?

[crystal sluice]

I tried doing the abyss thing and she didnt clear ANYTHING
I did it eith 3 supports and they cleared

[low ridge]

Also, in this game weapons are must pulls

[quick birch]

you'd want to get mei + her weapon

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

until then you can use some of the teams here

[crystal sluice]

How many teams do you need on average?
One for each type?

[quick birch]

mei's team for you would be Valkyrie Blastmetal + Terminal aide for now, VBm + wep being available in p2 story which the starter manual wants you to do anyway and TA is in the asterite shop

[lyric anvil]

Coverage for all niches

[turbid fossil]

where is the attila stigmata obtainable? i have everything in the first HoV row

[lyric anvil]

Foundry

[quick birch]

depends on your goals, for Redlotus 3 teams should be pretty decent for regular retain.
In nirvana you usually want to keep up with every new release and given how p2 team building works ( p2 S ranks being a DPS and support) you have quite a lot of team comps with that

[quick birch]

should be in the foundry

[low ridge]

It really depends because the game most of the time it’s kinda is about boss passives and stuff, but you really don’t have to worry about that until level 80+ because right now I believe you’re in string fold dimension which you really don’t need to worry about the competitive aspect of the game yet

[crystal sluice]

Is this game f2p friendly or is it like whale or dolphin type of thing
I can buy knight bp and the monthly thing (its thats always avalible)

[low ridge]

If you mean, is it always available yes

[crystal sluice]

Yeah the stuff im at is really easy. I dont have a lot of the shops unlocked at all
Im trying to get gems for Mei's weapon. I feel like I dont have a lot of the content unlocked yet

[low ridge]

But I do feel like the game is free to play friendly because most of the time you can get a character about every version if you are really consistent, but maybe sometimes you might have to skip one or two characters

[rich ermine]

Hi

I am a captain level 35

[low ridge]

But there is a lot of good stuff for dolphins cause if you are a beginner they’re really good deals that you can buy. There is deals for if you’re not a beginner, but the beginner deals are really the best.

[jade garnet]

Ok yall I decide to check back to the game after 2.5 years and I am LOST right now, I have zero clue as to what to do or what Im doing 😭

[quick birch]

i'd say that it's pretty f2p friendly but this might depend on your competitive goals, retaining the highest rank nirvana consistently probably want you to have Astral Operators at some point on top of the S ranks and dkeys. F2ps can't really afford that and need to make sacrifices for that with other things.
It's possible if you're very dedicated to it but it will take a lot of time and effort, getting to a RL retain ( the second highest rank ) is fairly easy though

[crystal sluice]

Ah okay.
Is it worth investing in a character if you dont have premium team then?

[quick birch]

Hi do you have any questions ?

[low ridge]

Well, you’re a beginner so you really don’t have anything so it’s worth investing in anybody new

[quick birch]

for your situation it would probably either be to start a new account or save up until you can afford a valk + her weapon and then slowly build your p2 roster with time

!faq returnee

[small willow]

Returnee Accounts

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Returnee Accounts pin!

Please send us an imgur album in #👶beginner-help of your significant S-Rank Valkyries and the first page of your Weapons and Stigmata. We will help you decide whether it is worth keeping.

If your account:

• Is below level 80
• Lacks established teams
• Isn't dear to you/doesn't have limited collectables that you care about.

Then:

[quick birch]

if you're unsure about restarting view this

[low ridge]

Because most of the time you don’t really invest in characters, premium teams if their premium team characters are older than them I’ve only back pulled ones and that was for Fdd and that’s kind of a debatable investment

[quick birch]

it's possible to recover an old account by all means it just takes time

[crystal sluice]

Kk
Im so meta pilled from HSR LOLLL I cry looking at my old characters sometimes

[bitter forum]

if the only part 2 chara i have is mei without weapon should i just make a new account lmao

[jade garnet]

I have PROMARE stuff so I dont really wanna get rid of it

[quick birch]

premium team is also a really fluid term in this game, a lot of the times supports change depending on the boss and most of the actual supports are quite close to each other to the point where you can retain RL as long as you have a functional team

[quick birch]

understandable, how's your pity and your crystals ?

[low ridge]

Oh yeah, and I saw your message in game I don’t really know what you meant but if you’re talking about hi love elf you should definitely level her up, but if you’re talking about Herscher of human, you only want to level her up if you have her divine key

[rich ermine]

I caught recently the new Raiden mei battle suit

[jade garnet]

Zero crystals but I have pity built, I think Im 50 pulls away till mei and 50 till her weapon?

[rich ermine]

Is okay to forge her weapon/blade?

[low ridge]

Wait, send me a screenshot of your valks so I know what you have so I can help you a little bit more

[keen skiff]

what weapon should i get with my divine key

[quick birch]

pull her weapon. you always want to pull a character + their signature weapon in this game

[jade garnet]

Is there any real use for AW or AL anymore or can I just buy whatever I want?

[quick birch]

not really besides from PWO

[quick birch]

did you do the discounted pull already

[spiral badge]

unlocking ER valks if you still have some left

[jade garnet]

Ill buy PE then

[quick birch]

do you mean the dkeys from Realms of Battle ?

[spiral badge]

some old valks like HoHE who is now farmable have been revived into the meta with gacha dkeys

[keen skiff]

yeah and also dw i just saw the priority list on the pins

[spiral badge]

so consider hohe if you have her and her weapon. And in general i always recommend having a stock ready in case anything happens down the line

[crystal sluice]

Oh sure

[jade garnet]

Should I still pull Luna DKey for the global buffs if I dont have her?

[spiral badge]

i don't recommend it

[jade garnet]

Fair enough

[crystal sluice]

I dont have that manu gair warning lol ive only pulled on Mei and standard

[spiral badge]

I have this list of pros and cons here, but if you don't already have her, 60 pulls for only 10 atk and compromising your future coverage (opportunity cost of getting something else actually useful) sounds like a bad idea

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

If you plan to spend or have fixations on specific high end situations then sure consider it.

[jade garnet]

Nah Im not spending

Skip it is

[spiral badge]

[jade garnet]

What to spend my asterite on nowadays?

[spiral badge]

!faq asterite

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

mainly VBm

[jade garnet]

Tyyyyy

[spiral badge]

also consider time capsule stuff in the pins

[crystal sluice]

I love Elysia so I bought the training guide

Shes probably bad now but having her is nice

[jade garnet]

Yea the stigs looked pretty tempting

[low ridge]

Oh, I’m pretty sure we’re about to get a free selector for her Elysia in a week

[bitter forum]

do i need to craft blastmetal sigunature stimgata?

[low ridge]

Oh yeah, but you definitely should not invest too much into her because without her divine key, she has no uses in any team

[rich ermine]

Should I try get a good team for Mei?

[jade garnet]

Assuming I had all the A valks at SSS could I just burn the asterite for those time capsule stigs?

[low ridge]

Oh my God I wish all you beginners would’ve started last patch. Yall could’ve got a free lunar vow

[lyric anvil]

[spiral badge]

you may consider NCCs for affix as well. Alot of excess resource kinda just funnels into that

but time capsule would be generally higher priority since it's limited time. The only exception is if you have a specific ranking scenario where you know you need that affix improvement and if you care enough

[crystal sluice]

Whattt

[low ridge]

Yes

[crystal sluice]

I thought the best stuff was during the anni. What the heck

[bitter forum]

man said giga trash anni 💀

[keen skiff]

was it the crimson love one

i managed to cop it last day of the patch

[spiral badge]

there's trade off to both sides of starting before or during cny

[lyric anvil]

Free LV was last patch

[jade garnet]

I dont think I will have to worry about minmaxing stigs for a while at least

[quick birch]

at some point you do want to ideally craft them yes, but prisms can be quite the bottle necking resource especially at the beginning so unless you have like an abundance of prisms ( imo like 35 assuming the next patch only has 1 new stigmata set) you should wait a bit. You probably won't use her a lot outside of MA once you get to that point but it still might turn out to be usefull for another RoO character in the future, for now sticking with theresa gluttony T fu hua musician MB is fine

[low ridge]

Well, we are gonna get some good/decent anniversary rewards. It’s just last version you could get a free lunar vow for just doing a few simple task.

[spiral badge]

new players starting now the ease of rerolling some pretty attractive options while past players had the opportunity for free luna

but free luna for a new player is mainly for getting her dkey at a 60 roll cost for filling out slots they are lacking in. Alot of her future prospects look questionable later

[crystal sluice]

This is so tragic to hear but so funny god

[jade garnet]

As for how to play P2 characters, I guess just look up YT guides?

[low ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-kindred-ultimate-ult-honkai-impact-3rd-lunar-vow-crimson-love-gif-12873372010336400923

This one

[crystal sluice]

Whats her divine key...I thought it unlocked with wealon or did I misunderstand?

[lyric anvil]

Yeah DKey Valks don't get much of shill

[low ridge]

So her divine key is on weapon supply banner b

[low ridge]

Do you need an explanation on what divine keys are?

[crystal sluice]

I have to pull on ANOTHER banner???

[crystal sluice]

Yes please

[quick birch]

the in game tutorials are a solid base line but some online guides from cay/hisui ( i'm not too familair with other guide makers) are decent, p2 rotations are quite flexible so the end goal is still to understand what each actions does for you and if it's actually needed

[low ridge]

Well, you don’t have lunar vow you probably should not pull her weapon

[quick birch]

it would be recommended if you have lunar vow but beginner income should be decent enough to afford 4/4 mei + lv dkey in 6 weeks

[low ridge]

So basically a divine key is whenever they give an old unit a new weapon that makes it where they can use astral rings and divine keys also give permanent account bonuses like 15+ attack

[crystal sluice]

I cant choose here?

Or is it a different weapon

[spiral badge]

Sure. Or ingame tutorials can get you started.

Can watch a high level video too and analyze each action they do > review such actions in skill descriptions > try it out yourself > back and forth of these in any order

A few general guidelines

• leader is the dps and decides the playstyle of the team (ring type)
• supports need tags to match the leader. having matching tags provide core mechanics to the ring type's gimmick (more details in !faq ring. can self search this in the channel)
• otherwise it's still mostly support set up > dps during the support uptime > repeat
• supports generally have their main trigger conditions on the 3pc of their stig set. The main exception to these are valks that provide breach where they provide their effects via ult (vita, fdd coralie)
• every valk on the team has a stack called stellar drain where consuming it with specific attacks restore alot of ARI. More details in "faq! stellar drain"

ok maybe i got out of hand writing all that lol

[quick birch]

+10 atk per dkey and 5 additional for each sync for stellar keys ( p2 divine keys )

[quick birch]

it's a different weapon if you're reffering to hohe dkey

[lyric anvil]

They really should have just made them +10 attack and didn't add any for the other two synces

[low ridge]

No, that is her part one weapon, which will not let her access the Astral ring and also Elysia weapon😭 not lunar vow

[crystal sluice]

Oh so its a buff

[keen skiff]

is there no way to do this quicker? gotta wait till monday to get more levels?

[jade garnet]

Thank you all so much

[crystal sluice]

Ohhh
Yeah that makes sense
So part 1 characters need a new weapon to keep up with part 2 characters
Obviously...

Lol im an idiot

[quick birch]

sorry you kinda flew under my radar, for now if you've just started you can use valkyrie blastmetal and terminal aide with mei, you can't really force a fully functional mei team right now but you will probably get a decent team with her as you collect more Valkyries

[low ridge]

Basically to summarize it it’s a weapon that brings an old character back to the meta for a while

[quick birch]

mei will be your best valkyrie for now though so you'll use her a lot

[rich ermine]

Okay I will try it thanks

[shell basin]

early game players can open multiple adventure maps at once for a few weeks but otherwise yeah just waiting

[crystal sluice]

Is there a place to check for different teams for battlesuits?

[low ridge]

Also, can you send me a screenshot of the beginners banners right now

Or just tell me

[quick birch]

you can also try to get lucky with the free 20 carnival pulls we get in about a week, check the carnival guide in pins for that

[crystal sluice]

Sure

[lyric anvil]

Beginner banners should be FDD and FWS

[quick birch]

fdd/fws

[low ridge]

Tysm

[low ridge]

Oh right, I was just making sure cause I remember we were talking about it last night

[lyric anvil]

One of the best beginner banners

[crystal sluice]

Is this it?

[quick birch]

p2 team building is quite fluid so this might be the point where we'd introduce you to p2 team building if you're interested in that

[lyric anvil]

Wait what

[quick birch]

oh you started before this patch then ?

[low ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/wig-wig-removal-removing-wig-besties-bestie-gif-6175185623397875262

[lyric anvil]

Likely at the end of 8.6?

[crystal sluice]

?!?!?!?!?!

[quick birch]

yeah you can kinda just ignore it then

[lyric anvil]

Those changed this patch

[low ridge]

Yeah, those characters are so out of the meta just pretend that banner isn’t there

[lyric anvil]

[low ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[crystal sluice]

Uhh a little earlier yeah
I left for like a couple days and then came back
College struggles

[slim blaze]

imejin if it's LV again

[lyric anvil]

That's gone
I had that one with HoRb

[crystal sluice]

I havent pulled on it I think...?
Maybe once?
Anyways I hate how they played when I was doint chapter one so I dont want them

[quick birch]

yeah dw, isnt a big deal i prob woul've recommended to hold your crystals for now anyway, though we'll also get 20 free pulls for carnivals banners so you could try to get either fws/fdd with some luck from there

[low ridge]

Wait, why all these beginners are here/returniees who want to use my code 108348516JJ (na)

[lyric anvil]

Shameless

[spiral badge]

maybe throw that out when it's asked for lol

[rich ermine]

Thanks

[spiral badge]

we don't really allow people to throw it in the blue because that will cause this channel to devolve into #invite-links-here

[low ridge]

It worked idc

[spiral badge]

yeah for you

[lyric anvil]

I'm full

[crystal sluice]

Ohhh
More free pulls?
Yay
I can use those to ger Mei's weapon right

[quick birch]

just in case you missed it before but since you asked about if there is any place where you could look up teams, are you interested in an explanation of p2 team building

[spiral badge]

well anyway you've been helping so i'll look the other way but please refrain from doing it again out of nowhere

[lyric anvil]

[spiral badge]

it's fine for you to ask someone more directly if they have used an invite code and prompt yours

like if it's by context understandable the person prob hasn't used one yet (esp with the limited time window that people tend to miss)

[crystal sluice]

I am! But im not going to do part 2 story until part 1 so idk if thats relevant

[quick birch]

no they are only usable on the carnaval battlesuit supply,

[low ridge]

Ok😞

[quick birch]

nah p2 is just referring to everything after 7.2, the team building isn't connected to the story

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

you can give the guide at the bottom a read and we could take mei as an example

[lyric anvil]

Pretty easy team building

[crystal sluice]

This isnt loading for me

[quick birch]

huh what excactly ? like when you click on the link for the guide ?

or the whole thing

[spiral badge]

tab out and tab back into the channel?

[crystal sluice]

How often do you pull on this unrelated

[spiral badge]

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[crystal sluice]

Ohhhh.
Wow thats some ass

Is it the same for dolphins?
I mean ig we dont get that much more pulls nevermind

[spiral badge]

well this is what the bottom link leads to from earlier but the parent message is important too so see if you can reload the ring faq

[spiral badge]

for dolphins there's more room to consider it

but overall it depends on your current account and your goals

eventually once developed and you want to aim for specific high spots you can consider it

but for now focus more on developing a wide valk roster with their weapons

[keen skiff]

are these meant to play something? they arent working for me

[low ridge]

Here I will try and explain let’s use mei for an example May is Grail of infinitude that is her main astral ring, but you see those little icons that I circled those are the astral rings that she can support and for part two you want to build a team around people who can support your characters main astral ring so for mei you want people symbiosis, but for let’s say Kiana you would want valks with heavenly shift

[spiral badge]

yeah they're supposed to play a cg cutscene. You may need to go download full assets somewhere first? I'm not quite sure

[sudden abyss]

Can someone list down all valkyries inside the S-Rank Battlesuit Option 2026?

[keen skiff]

i installed full assets so not sure why they arent playing

[bitter forum]

how many pulls od i need to get jovial

[spiral badge]

hm let me check that specific one in a bit

[quick birch]

that would be quite a lot, everyone up until Herrscher of Truth should be in there

[sudden abyss]

So it is possible to get Silverwing EX?

[spiral badge]

that's farmable in war treasury though but yes

[spiral badge]

check starter supply in pins

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

or maybe it's in detail here

Jovial Songque is not recommended to get from any banner atm

[bitter forum]

not that one the one in the spending event

[spiral badge]

oh then check pins for spending event

there's a chart you can refer to

[crystal sluice]

Kk
Is it easy to get old battlesuits for collection purposes even if you pull on new banners?

[quick birch]

from the spending event ? 44.8k so 160 pulls in total

[crystal sluice]

Like really old ones

[spiral badge]

very old out of meta valks become farmable/more accessible over time

[bitter forum]

oh well

[spiral badge]

check expeditions, asterite shop, war treasury shop, reserve work shop (last one is the slowest but also for the most recent)

[bitter forum]

how long does a reroll take. i think i'm just gonna restart this accoutn adn get an early raiden 💀

[crystal sluice]

Im so sad I missed Kiana's new battlesuit
Any chance it will come back soon?

Also anyone have any thoughts on bchip worth?
They seem kinda-really-useful but its so unnerving they dont have first time bonus

[sudden abyss]

Is Silverwing EX still good?

[spiral badge]

15 minutes at best? i think we have a reroll pin that goes more into that

[quick birch]

she will rerun within the carnival banner rotation, you can try to get lucky with the 20 pulls but it's not recommended to pull her atp with crystals, carnival banner also does not carry over pity between versions so don't try to pull her unless you are guaranteed

[turbid fossil]

is there a tier list for all the characters?

[spiral badge]

tier list don't work in this game

a tier list assumes the entire game at large but situations you care about are numerous and all separate from each other. You care about covering many multiple scenarios

[quick birch]

she's quite good for you if you get her with the 20 free pulls though

[low ridge]

I don’t know if anybody’s responded to this, but I was gonna give my opinion. You really should not pull for them unless you’re really interested in the competitive aspect of the game and getting the best scores in abyss like I’ve had my new account for soon to be in a year and I’ve just recently gotten my first astral op and not only because I just wanted to make my rotations easier and I like getting the best score lol

[sudden abyss]

Is Silverwing EX still good?

[spiral badge]

a player develop their accounts by getting the latest valks with their weapons accumulating in number over time to increase coverage

[crystal sluice]

Are specific ones good for specific characters?

[low ridge]

Oh yes, and you definitely should not prioritize these over characters like in your situation you’d like to save up all you can so you can get a whole team

[low ridge]

More like rings or elements

[low ridge]

Like this new one is for mainly Grail of Infinitude

[spiral badge]

so the cutscene works for me. Should start with ||Seele||. Can you not scroll to the right any further? If not maybe back out and check out the echo stages. Or maybe revisit any of these latest stages and see if you can find an alt dialogue choice for a different outcome.

[quick birch]

no, she's quite an old valk and doesnt really hold any bosses anymore || there are predictions that she might get an dkey next version because we currently dont have a teaser for a new valk/ the outfit teaser looked like SW but nothing is confirmed yet||

[low ridge]

And right of oblivion, but I haven’t really read that much of it to see what it does for that ring

[sudden abyss]

Awwww

[crystal sluice]

I want to pair a Kiana with Mei that would make me very happy
I did get Mei in 20 pulls though. I wont be getting lucky again sadly

[quick birch]

we can hope

[spiral badge]

Some may stand out more than others but generally the latests valk releases (and their weapons) should be your main priority. If you're restarting an account now it can be arguable to reroll for FDD or FWS from starter/carnival (only because we get discount/free tickets to make rerolling there easier)

[keen skiff]

i can scroll and start the next mission yeah

[quick birch]

dmg initial ari at S, ari regen and more dmg at SS

[sudden abyss]

What's a dkey?

[spiral badge]

hm i'm really not sure what's going on then sorry. It works for me is all i can say. The rules does mention an alt ending which is why i brought up that last point. Maybe #📚honkai-lore can help too

[crystal sluice]

If I buy bchips should I get her?

I was gonna choose HoFi

[spiral badge]

FWS kiana isn't really worth spending crystals on at this point but if you're really fixated on that, then consider getting her from the upcoming carnival reruns

we will get 20 free cards to make that cost easier (70 left to pity) but this is still a huge amount of crystals. You can also skip FWS' weapon and stick with using her only for support roles.

we don't normally recommend skipping weapons but in this case going after a weapon on such an old valk (less dps use scenarios) who doesn't need it for support isn't really good mileage

[short monolith]

Hello, is there some sort of returnee player guide? It's been a while since I played and it's very overwhelming

[crystal sluice]

Oh I thought she came out recently

[quick birch]

the box itself has a horrible value but she would make your rotations for mei a bit smoother while also expanding your coverage, assuming you're going to pull the dkey.
I don't recommend it but we can further explain what she'd do for mei if you want to

[spiral badge]

Not really. There's two main changes i generally stress to returnees first.

• new team building with astral ring
• gacha changes (esp equipment banner)

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you can read more about them there

otherwise feel free to ask for any further elaboration or anything else. Pins here have tons of common info too

[short monolith]

I'll take a look when I can, thank you

[crystal sluice]

I am not pulling on that lol
Ill just stick to getting bp actually.

[short monolith]

I will

[quick birch]

a weapon that makes a certain character more relevant to the current meta while also providing a global + 10 atk buff, in the case of p1 valks receiving stellar keys ( p2 divine keys ) they would be able to interact with the astral ring system and would provide another +5 atk for every additional sync ( syncs are mostly whale territory)

[crystal sluice]

What do you do with dupe stigmata?

[quick birch]

mostly just salvage for the prisms, you could try to min max by looking at the affixes and comparing which one has the better affixes/more affix slots unlocked but if you already leveld one stigmata just stick with that one

you don't wanna roll affixes atm anyway

[crystal sluice]

Im kinda sick of this banner

30 more too....tragic

[bitter forum]

weapon abnner is tragic in this game

[crystal sluice]

Is there a fast way to level up in this game?

[crystal sluice]

Im alrrady truamatized from losing twice on Genshin's weapon banner so this isnt that bad

[quick birch]

it's mostly story and daily stuff so you can't really force it

but the levelling itself isnt that bad you will prob be level 80 before mei banner ends

[crystal sluice]

Youre really good at this game
Out of curiousity how long have you been a player?

[keen skiff]

im so confused, ive beat these stages, and i replayed the stage, and the cutscene is still not unlocked for me?

[low ridge]

I leveled up pretty fast when I first started just by doing dailies and especially doing these

[quick birch]

i started back in 2022 but never really understood this game and took a big break from 2023 up until like october of 2024, this is also when i started to develop interest in the meta and how the game functions
i will say that there are players who are better than me but i would consider myself quite knowledgeable ~~hence the prof role ~~

[crystal sluice]

Ive been doing these
Got to level 43 haha

Ive only been playing 3 days. I guess im really impaitent

[spiral badge]

the cg itself needs to start at least for it to be added. Completing the mission itself isn't necessary and you can quit if it's not at the end too.

Some cgs play in the middle of a skippable cutscene after dialogue. Try not to skip but rather mash instead. Once the cg starts, you can skip

[outer spruce]

leveling used to be really slow back then

[crystal sluice]

Damn
I had an old account when I was in HS
I didnt know jackshit abiut the game and rushed through everything cause I wanted to do the Elysiam realm.
I quit cause I was frustrated with how long it took to get a 5 star anr never came back until now haha. I forgot the little knowldge I had

[outer spruce]

getting to level 80 would take around 6 months or something similar

now it's pretty fast

[crystal sluice]

Is the new event good for f2p players?
I havent been paying attention to the story only the levels for the rewards

[quick birch]

the game changed a lot over the past few years so it prob wouldnt have made that much of a difference if you still had that knowledge

[quick birch]

you wanna do them but they're mostly for mats, though imo the new event is on the shorter side so if you need to get a few hundred crytals it's fine

[low ridge]

I would say yes, you get 500 and you also get cubes and other things and also there’s gonna be three more of these so in total 2000 crystals which is honestly really good for this game usually events barely give stuff

And I’m not talking about you get 2000 from doing this one with the card game there’s going to be three more events similar to this that give 500 coming out soon

[crystal sluice]

Oh this is a rare occasion
Mostly I want the bp points and the crystals

[crystal sluice]

I think I might need more than a few lol

[quick birch]

yeah, for crystal grinding they're not the biggest crystal mine but you do wanna do them eventually

[keen skiff]

yeah i did not skip, the cutscene just decided not to play

[crystal sluice]

Is there any old characters that have been good since their release all the way until now?

[low ridge]

To explain the way, the crystals work in this game it’s kinda like a roller coaster and the game is consistent on giving you this specific amount of crystals every week and you go up whenever a new version comes out but most of the time the events are not too much crystals compared to Honkai star rail, where when a new event comes out, you climb all the way to the top and then when the event goes away you just drop down with nothing else really to do then dailies after it’s over

[quick birch]

how old are we talking but generally no, there have been a few in p1 which dominated one part of the meta for a while but currently new characters all seem to kinda fall into the same pattern, ofc some stay relevant a bit longer than others though

[crystal sluice]

HSR is a jademine lol I got like 5 new characters this patch
This game doesnt sound bad compared to Genshin
Im a dolphin in that game and I cant even get a character every patch man

[low ridge]

Probably Kiana since her part two battle suits came out she stayed pretty consistent in being an almost every team

[low ridge]

It is, but I’ve done everything and there’s literally nothing else I can do to get anything

[crystal sluice]

The last time I played people said this girl was good.

[outer spruce]

senti used to be the pillar of physical teams for years

not anymore though

[low ridge]

Oh senti you will always be meta in our hearts

[quick birch]

i mean i won't deny that she's good but she's also kinda being pushed into more niches atm and will probably slowly start to fall, her DPS use cases are already pretty rare but that is also the common pattern

[low ridge]

Yea definitely

[quick birch]

that was one of the cases in p1 i was talking about but she's also fallen out of meta atp

[low ridge]

Honestly, the new Kiana is probably Fdd

Or a least I hope

[spiral badge]

at the very end of 12-3 after ||interacting with the pc and npc then going beyond the further door and down the corridor you should've gotten a dialogue > cg > mission ends||. Are you saying the cg doesn't start at all here?

[quick birch]

while fdd is good i think she's fairly close to her other options and we're already seeing some variation with fdd/fws fws/hle comps for mei this patch, breach is more notable in higher ranks ofc but sometimes you may prefer speed over dmg in RL or below

[crystal sluice]

This is a dumb question but do battlesuits tie up with lore?

[quick birch]

some do some don't

[spiral badge]

lore and actual game mechanics are quite different/separate

sometimes there can be flavorful tie ins but ultimately nothing obligated

[quick birch]

sometimes we'll get a character from another universe/event that's not really related to story progress at all and some other times the newest character evolution will be our new battlesuit, and for gameplay they're kinda just going with what fits the current needs the most tbh

[crystal sluice]

Tbh I kinda just want to get to the Elysian Realm. I enjoyed doing it on my old account even though I didnt and still dont understand anything haha

[quick birch]

shouldnt be that far away, it unlock at level 50

[spiral badge]

i see that you have downloads complete at the top right here. How about the main menu > phone bottom right > downloads? Anything missing there?

[low ridge]

Yea Kiana only has to ult then her rotation over

[crystal sluice]

Oh cause I see people talk about Kiana and Mei a lot, I was wondering how their part 2 battlesuits work

[low ridge]

I’m doing rituals hoping I get her in the free 20😭😭😭

[quick birch]

i mean yes and no ig, it really depends if you still need to trigger stellar drain/ if you swapped her in with her qte or not

[spiral badge]

uh are you speaking in terms of outburst?

ok i'll let mango answer

[outer spruce]

you can try them out in tactics class to practice using them

[low ridge]

Do you mean how they work together

[keen skiff]

1 sec i think i might've fixed it

[spiral badge]

do lmk what fixes it for you.

[quick birch]

like her normal rot would be qte -> ca -> ult just very generally speaking ofc

that we can't discuss here

we wanna keep this channel spoiler free

[spiral badge]

be mindful that other beginners can possibly be lurking here

if you're speaking anything about the story, please amend your previous message

[crystal sluice]

Oh sorry

Idk why I didnt think about that

[quick birch]

dw, just keep it in mind in the future, you can also ask in #📚honkai-lore if you have any lore questions, i would have moved with you do another channel if i knew the answer but i dont lmao

[spiral badge]

yeah dw about it too much. Please do edit your message though

[crystal sluice]

Im not even remotely caught up with part 1's story either. I only played HSR and got spoiled regardless

[crystal sluice]

Ill delete it

[keen skiff]

just use spoiler tags

[spiral badge]

sure that works too. a bit awkward for backreading

no spoiler tagging won't be allowed actually

[quick birch]

that also won't work here for actual story spoilers

[spiral badge]

as per the pinned guidelines

[keen skiff]

oh alright

[spiral badge]

tbh the stuff you've been posting is a bit borderline but we've only been speaking on the systems of it

and well idk where else we can discuss it really for your case

i vaguely recall of cutscene skipping happening when i was playing too but this was because i didn't dl the assets back then

[crystal sluice]

I need 80???
Is she even good???
They only give like 30 what the hell

[spiral badge]

so they got auto skipped

[keen skiff]

yeah i just redownloaded the cgs and restarted the game and it started displaying the cutscenes again

[spiral badge]

but i don't think that was the case for you

oh glad to hear!

[crystal sluice]

30 in bp*

[spiral badge]

no she's not recommended

if you really really want her, she's in the current spending event but there are other things to consider there too (check pins)

[keen skiff]

yea not sure what happened but its working now, thanks for the help tho

[wicked cargo]

@spiral badge you know how you told me reruns bad, new banners better, and vita is bad

[spiral badge]

the value of battle pass is more for crystals and resources rather than getting valkyries and weapons. Any of that sort you'll find there are considerably old and niche in the meta

[spiral badge]

for f2p purposes, i'm generally not going to recommend anything aside from newest releases

even at max f2p income you already cannot afford all newest valks with weapons so there's arguably no room for reruns

actually it doesn't sound like you finished your thought. I thought you were asking is vita bad?

anyway sorry go on

[crystal sluice]

Is this character good???
Im pretty sure ill get this outfit.
But I dont have the character

[wicked cargo]

yes, how bad are we talking. Unplayable bad or just not brute force bash bad

[spiral badge]

the outfit is separate from the character. If you get an outfit, it's in your account but you won't be able to use it until you get the character. The outfit isn't lost because you got it before the character though

the character herself is Behold Fate Defying Dragon (coralie)

[wicked cargo]

Behold! Fate Defying Dragon Coralie looks fun

[spiral badge]

you can review the carnival (and starter? idr) pins for a brief overview on her

[spiral badge]

generally bad as in not the best use of your crystals. They're still usable depending on who they are and their recency. but overall may not be as useful or long lasting

Should i talk more in detail about vita?

[low ridge]

No, she’s really niche

[spiral badge]

uh fdd isn't really niche? But for a beginner she's just not a strong/efficient consideration

[keen skiff]

omg it bugged out again

[wicked cargo]

Sure, about dps vita with double coralie or Vita with Miss Espionage Rita

[low ridge]

Spngque isn’t niche

This news to me

[spiral badge]

oh sorry i misread

yeah jds is niche now.

[low ridge]

Oh, cause I was about to say lol

[crystal sluice]

Ummm how often can someone who buys monthly gem thing and the paladin battle pass get characters plus weapon? Similar rate to f2p?

[spiral badge]

i did say fdd in my initial reply and that was the last thing they were talking about lol. But yeah i should've seen what you were replying to. my bad

[lyric anvil]

After fish skip was fixed she's not as good as she before

[low ridge]

I actually did that calculation in the calculation website and it says about two or three months

[low ridge]

But don’t worry because you still have the story and beginner rewards

[lyric anvil]

Paladin is expensive to get

[low ridge]

I’m pretty sure the story altogether gifts about 25K crystals

[crystal sluice]

I feel like im running out of rewards for some reason haha

[low ridge]

I don’t know one of the professors will have to do the command

[low ridge]

Where are you at in the story?

[quick birch]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

( it's also in the pins )

[lyric anvil]

[crystal sluice]

Thats true
Actually.
Maybe not. Huge HSR fan/dolphin so I buy the 20 bp on there too

[low ridge]

Ik it’s just so much easier when yall do it

[quick birch]

trueing ~~ big reason why i applied ~~

[low ridge]

lol I want to try and become a professor, but what are the requirements?

[quick birch]

#st-freya-faq

[crystal sluice]

Chapter 9...lol.
Sorry I shouldve clarified I meant training guide gems

[outer spruce]

that's still plenty of crystals

[low ridge]

Yeah, I’d say you probably are running low on the beginner crystals from the training thing but you stuff have so much from other sources

[spiral badge]

so generally speaking any gacha valk nowadays has dps and separate support roles

any dps role has many uses in their initial debut patch but then slopes into obscurity after (their dps scenarios in abyss shows up less and less)

support wise it more depends on the valk. some may see more use than others but generally speaking as long as they fit the leader's ring type, they'll support without too much loss.

Vita as a rerun is already quite old now. More than a year. Loosely speaking i expect valks to keep their top meta niches for 2 years (although secondary best uses can still be viable in RL or below)

Vita as a dps is an RoO ring type. Most leads want to look for a specific tag but vita is different. She wants her team to be full of RoO. VBm is farmable but new players struggle finding the third one. The damage drop off is too much without the third. Rita is WoD and not RoO. Double coralie is fine though.

Vita as a support covers 3 ring types so her coverage is quite wide. However

• these three tags are all old. She doesn't support the latest ring type that is more commonly emphasized nowadays (and that latest ring type has no farmables for it either)
• older tags are more commonly redundant by other releases too
• she's quite slow compared to many alternatives (but also can be quite strong and better overall despite her slowness)

!faq lp

[small willow]

Vita

Despite being a must-pull on her release, Vita is no longer recommended to pull for.

This is due to a combination of factors:

• New releases take priority.
• Vita cannot support Grail of Infinitude or future ring types.
• She is not best in Wheel of Destiny teams unless ranked.
• In Law of Ascension teams, she is typically not BiS, but it depends on the boss/team.
• Vita DPS heavily relies on 2 additional [Rite of Oblivion](#👶beginner-help message) units and is not shilled frequently.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

i guess there's this but i mostly covered it already lol

[bitter forum]

no guest login?

[quick birch]

just going back to this maybe we can talk about the rates in some more detail, with buying monthly + BP every patch you'll probably end up at like ~30k crystals per patch sometimes lower sometimes higher depending on the patch length + rewards and all.

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

I believe you need an account now. Hence why there's the salting method in the pins

[lyric anvil]

Part 1 banners were pain

[spiral badge]

it had its own balance

but yeah easy to be more punished if you were clueless on how the game worked

[crystal sluice]

Uhhh idk whats allowed to be said here or not but I do have a question

[wicked cargo]

So I will just take ba dum kiana 😔

[low ridge]

Can you faq Kiana badum

[spiral badge]

there's nothing for her

[bitter forum]

can you change your account email then? :th

[spiral badge]

what do you want to know about badum?

[low ridge]

I just wanted to see what the bot would say lol

[quick birch]

now when we take a look at the what p2 valks + their weapon would cost we can see that 30k would be a decent amount ( it's around 75% chance ), this means you can't guarantee a valk every patch if you hard pity but it its reasonable to assume that you will be able to get most valkyries while maybe needing to skip every few patches

[spiral badge]

i don't think you can really disconnect an hi3 from a hoyo account normally. maybe contacting CS can do it but it'll be more practical to salt an email into a separate hoyo account

if you're on NA you can also change regions to EU for a pseudo fresh new account assuming you haven't touched it before

[quick birch]

if it's anything related to future content check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins first to see if it's already announced, if it is announced and something global is not aware of use spoiler tagging and keep it invesment related then we can talk about it here

[crystal sluice]

Okay I can just ask actually ill just word it differently
Are there patches where no new battlesuits come out similar to Genshin's summer patches?

[bitter forum]

are there any latency issues if i do that?

[low ridge]

[crystal sluice]

Didnt part 1 have those weird banners where you had to pull for stigmata one by one?

[low ridge]

Yes

[low ridge]

You were at the mercy of the game

[spiral badge]

technically yes but for most intents and purposes no afaik (you don't really keep a constant connection during a battle). you do need to be mindful of different reset times though.

There can be events with coop/pvp multiplayer though. Ping prob matters there.

[outer spruce]

each piece of equipment was 50 pulls so 200 hard pity for full gear

[crystal sluice]

So you just had to like. Die if you got unlucky

[spiral badge]

stigmata weren't as specific back then. There were combinations to use if you understand them well

usually signatures were still best and the standard but in some cases you can more get away with less

also we had sp valk banners which were cheaper overall

[quick birch]

|| i assume you are talking about next patch ? currently we only have an announcement for a new Astral Op and nothing else, normally we would also have gotten the teaser for a new valkyrie by now so we can assume that there will be none next patch, though new dkeys are announced seperately from the patch teaser in CN so that is still on the table, we effectly don't really know anything about the new version but we should know the content in ~1 week when v2 beta starts in CN ||

[spiral badge]

and these sp valks covered supporting roles often that are more foundational

anyway p1 had a different balance back then. It worked enough

[outer spruce]

debut sp banners were 30 pulls for each piece but only for debut

[lyric anvil]

||Feels so weird to not get a new Valk||

[outer spruce]

after debut it was back to 50

[spiral badge]

i would describe p2 as being more friendly to get into but the balance in cost isn't too far different. maybe a bit more generous now in proportion with the longer patches though

you wouldn't really be pulling after debut even back in p1 arguably but yeah

[lyric anvil]

Stigmata are easier to get now

[low ridge]

|| I pray we don’t I need a break ||

[lyric anvil]

||We don't know what hoyo is cooking||

[spiral badge]

for anything in the next patch i can only suggest to check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins. Things are still early so don't count on anything yet.

[crystal sluice]

||Oh Okay. I was kinda confused cause this seems like a good thing but I saw so many people angry about it on twitter. Why would thid be a bad thing I dont know? Do people not like saving?||

[outer spruce]

also in p1, equipment pity did not carry over, it reset when the banner ended

[low ridge]

|| Well I hope the kitchen closed down I need to save ||

[spiral badge]

yeah it was hard being fully safe in p1 and you can still get badly punished for it

we went more by above averages back then

but now we have the luxury of going by guarantees

[mortal carbon]

||Its mainly because its the first time its happened in approximately 9 years so people are worried about the state of the game. I'm not worried about the state of the game though personally ||

[quick birch]

||it's kinda off topic so i'd cut the conversation after this of or move to a different channel but people view it as a sign of the game dying since they're taking a slower approach, generally i wouldnt give too much thought on things that ppl say on twitter about this game ||

[low ridge]

Oh my God, didn’t the Herscher Trio all come out in one patch

[spiral badge]

no

[outer spruce]

no

[spiral badge]

hotr came out first

but hoo and hofi were in the same patch

[low ridge]

Oh that’s hell

[spiral badge]

for a double release, one of them gets heavily discounted

[outer spruce]

hoo was free

[lyric anvil]

HoO was free

[low ridge]

Oh

[spiral badge]

yeah hoo was free and her stig banner had half refund

[mortal carbon]

Free is pretty heavily discounted

[spiral badge]

hotr also had a deal on her debut banner where you can rank her up to ss while getting her gears as bonuses in the process

[crystal sluice]

Yeah I just wanted to know if this happens often lol we can end it here

[spiral badge]

and s2/ss were important for hotr

[wicked cargo]

How good is miss espionage rita as a support?

[spiral badge]

anyway i digress. maybe we should stop this discussion here too but if you want more nostalgia you can ping me in #🎮honkai-chat

[spiral badge]

do you understand what teams she's support in? Do you understand her tags in other words?

she's actually pretty notable as a support

[wicked cargo]

I understand the tags yes

[crystal sluice]

...How long does the game make you use trail characters for story chapters?

[outer spruce]

forever

[crystal sluice]

☠️

[outer spruce]

well unless you have your own version of the character in some chapters

[spiral badge]

for wheel of destiny teams, she provides surplus mechanic to them. Not to the same extent as herself, but still enough of a boost to be a stronger option (replaces senadina formerly). However surplus mechanic relies in ARI regen so if your team can't restore enough overall, rita may not be the best choice (serapeum op can help this but this isn't recommended for f2ps)

[crystal sluice]

Why does the Himeko battle suit have to attack so slow im gonna cry

[outer spruce]

but yeah the story from this point onward is just trials

[wicked cargo]

How do I get ops?

[crystal sluice]

Its so ass

[spiral badge]

for law of ascension teams (since she has heavenly shift tag), idk the details but she was one of the better support options recently. PS dps uses rita against lantern boss.

[spiral badge]

!faq gacha ops

!faq gachaops

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

it's a way for them to embrace the player a bit more into the story since they also sometimes change some things about a valk and what they can do in that certain story stages, it does give you a bit more space in the later semi open world chapters but it's still a limited selection

[spiral badge]

basically gacha

although note songque op is also available currently from spending event currently (so she is considerable, albeit we should wait for now due to #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pin news)

[wicked cargo]

Also I saw some elf thing in the shop, what's that about

[spiral badge]

but effective gacha ops depend on the context and their ranks. for most intents and purposes they aren't needed

[mortal carbon]

I might be misremembering but I seem to remember one of the devs saying it was also to make the story accessible to anyone regardless of gacha luck or income

[outer spruce]

elfs are basically the p1 version of astral ops, they have a similar role

[wicked cargo]

are they still useful even in p2 gameplay?

[crystal sluice]

Damn
I just hope they wont all be as bad as Himeko then
Do they do this often? Sometimes I struggle having a place to use my characters
This might be because im new n stuff

[spiral badge]

they can be niche better

[outer spruce]

yes actually

[wicked cargo]

there is currently an event or smth where I can get shards, is it worth

[spiral badge]

generally at 3* though

again please review the spending event pin

but for now hold your currency

[quick birch]

your own characters are mostly for abyss/er/MA which does make up the bigger portion of the content once you've progressed enough

[wicked cargo]

I just dont know what else to spend it on :((

[spiral badge]

the pin does discuss through the numerous options there

but ELF overall isn't the only viable option

[crystal sluice]

Is the spending event even worth
A lot of the stuff there doesnt seem appealing to go for actively

[spiral badge]

no i wouldn't say to go for it actively

[wicked cargo]

where is the pin

[spiral badge]

it's a bonus

[outer spruce]

spending event is a bonus not a goal

[keen skiff]

the himeko missions r fun, she wasnt bad in the story missions?

[mortal carbon]

her playstyle is really hit or miss with people

[spiral badge]

the main focus of your crystals is still the new releases of the patch (mei valk and weap and maybe luna dkey). whatever spending event currency you get along the way is usually the extent of your considerations

[quick birch]

it's prob just personal prefernce, we do get the comment a lot that they are clunky to play

[spiral badge]

are you on pc or mobile?

[crystal sluice]

I just kinda hate how slow she attacks ngl
Like Ive been using Mei for the entirety of my playthrough so far. Its a bit jarring.

[wicked cargo]

pc

[spiral badge]

look along the top for this https://i.imgur.com/vLKuSxy.png

lots of general info there

look for this link in the first pin for spending event

https://i.imgur.com/pOTAQ13.png

[crystal sluice]

Also that level with her vs dragon was a little annoying

[spiral badge]

yeah that one is infamous

[keen skiff]

i like how she dodge rolls, felt like dark souls albeit much easier

[spiral badge]

nothing wrong with liking or hating it overall

[crystal sluice]

Only "dark souls" game I played was Elden Ring I fear haha

[outer spruce]

greatsword user fighting kushala daora basically

[crystal sluice]

Does anyone have an armada I can join?

[spiral badge]

can try checking around in #na-armada-recruit

the main thing to look for is an active armada to secure 25 crystals every week

https://i.imgur.com/BaZdVBO.png

not much on its own but it adds up over time

[crystal sluice]

Kk
I gotta wait 90 minutes I joined am inactive one for the training guide haha

[bitter forum]

what'st the character rate?

[shell basin]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shell basin]

@bitter forum

[quick birch]

If you mean the rate per pull there has been some data with the Korean server over the last few years that the actual rate is a bit lower than the 1,something% ( idr the exact number) rate mentioned in game but that that is only the rate if you're on your 10x a rank or above guarantee

Lemme see if I can dig that up

Actually the redit post mentioned in the faq made an edit section for that so check that out if you're interested

It's 1,5% if you're on the a rank or above guaranteed pull and 0,9% otherwise

[frozen crypt]

The 1.5% factors in guarantees

if card guarantee every 10x didn't exist then yeah 0.9%

[low ridge]

So what’s it like being a HoV main in 2026

[frozen crypt]

life is good, still clearing nirvana mobbing

[low ridge]

No way

[frozen crypt]

yes way

[low ridge]

Omg I have to see

[frozen crypt]

check my guide in bio

xD

[low ridge]

lol I literally have to now

[frozen crypt]

https://youtu.be/CFfQGDyA248?si=jm_S92rNHip1BSJQ&t=420

not much has changed from last year

[slim blaze]

Sss hov memes

[dry python]

Stolen valour

[frozen crypt]

she lost the ability to do like, img2 and sd2 because abyss has gone up by like 10D

btw just to be absolutely clear to any lurkers HoV is dogshit and not recommended at all

[slim blaze]

Aw

[dry python]

Aw

[jade garnet]

Aw

[low ridge]

Lollll

[low ridge]

So in Nirvana, the disturbance goes up every version?

[frozen crypt]

no it fluctuates every cycle like all other abyss brackets

it depends on player performance

[low ridge]

Oh

[rotund roost]

Just this team right?

[lyric anvil]

For?

[rotund roost]

abyss

sry forgot to send the other

[lyric anvil]

Use XDC HLE FWS

[rotund roost]

Hehehe No weapon XDC, probably not in a few days

[lyric anvil]

XDC should score more than PS cause of the mobs at the start

You'd be scoring not that greatly with PS cause of the tanky mobs

[rotund roost]

Can I not just brute force with other?

Or is the shill just that strong

[lyric anvil]

XDC can insta kill the bio mobs at the start of the boss stage

[rotund roost]

Oh, even without weapon?

[lyric anvil]

Yes

It's one of her skills

[quick birch]

you could try mei as a PS support and just do her big CA x2 to insta kill both mobs

will take a bit to farm for the first one but you only need to farm SP once for the second one

is prob still faster than killing them with PS but i dont know for sure didnt ry

[lyric anvil]

Isn't that for leader?

[quick birch]

only the stacks that let her execute on her 1st and 2nd CA

third CA always executes

[lyric anvil]

Ah

That'll waste a bit of time

[quick birch]

yeah it was just smth that came into my mind

dont know if it'll be better for sure

[lyric anvil]

Doubt it

[quick birch]

it was better for me in nirv

dunno how tanky mobs are in RL

and they have teri they can prob just use her shift -> ult -> wa -> wa -> ba x2 -> ult -> ca x 3

shouldnt be too much of a waste

[hardy lintel]

guys. im i had a cadet that hasn't been active in almost 2 months, should i like do something about it? can i remove it or something

[spiral badge]

Main Menu > Friend (bottom left) > Sensei Tab on right > Trashcan icon on cadet you wish to remove

https://i.imgur.com/EEtZL76.png

[keen skiff]

is there a good tierlist for this game

[lyric anvil]

Tier lists don't work in this

[ancient needle]

There's a ton of niches to cover, and a valk's performance can vary extremely between them

Generally speaking the newer the valk is the more frequently her niches will appear

So if you're seeking pull advice the general answer is this: pull the newest stuff and only it

[keen skiff]

so is going for mei generally the best value for a new player

[ancient needle]

Yes

[keen skiff]

i see thank you

[ancient needle]

With her weapon, that's not negotiable

[keen skiff]

yea im going for her weapon first cus im high pity on the char banner

[jade garnet]

God being a really old returnee sucks there's so much reading and so many new systems to learn

[jade garnet]

If you get the weapon but no character then said weapon is useless

Always go for the character first

[keen skiff]

yeah i just want to make sure i get the weapon

otherwise theres no point

[jade garnet]

Oh I misunderstood what u meant by high

[keen skiff]

yeah

that character banner pity was left over from sparkle's banner, i didnt get her 💔

[hardy lintel]

but should i do it or keep waiting?

[ancient needle]

No point in keeping them if they haven't come back in 2 months
If you wanna be extra safe you can delete them after you find a replacement

[hardy lintel]

got it

[bitter forum]

5 rerolls ad nothing

is the discount 10 pull in every banner?

[quick birch]

We've been getting at least a discounted 10x on every debut banner since p2 start, usually CN Anni has a completely free 10x, the important thing here is that it's only for debut banners so not for every banner

[jade garnet]

Can someone help me navigate Part2 open world and menus and how to complete shit cause Im lost

[zenith sigil]

Will I be able to use the equip/character supply tickets on carnival banner or is it different

[slim blaze]

no

[shadow gyro]

to start:
Y: change team (p2 non stellar keys only)
B: inventory
C: valkyrie page
F3: gadget (chap 1-3 only)
F2: rewards
F1: events (in the part 2 ow)
N: change btwn valk and aop
~: leave the p2 ow
F4: extra menus
F5: things to read
F6: achievements
F7: tutorial
F8: cgs
F9: settings
F10: switch chapters (for different ows and access to other p2 events
M: map
H: quests (in the chapters u picked
V: change time

anything else will be too long to explain in text... maybe look at youtube videos? if theres something specific thats confusing then you can ask

[quick birch]

you should be able to exchange character/battlesuit supply tickets into their carnival counter part, you cannot exchange them back to character/battlesuit supply cards though and it's generally not recommended to pull on carnival

[zenith sigil]

How come ? Only if you can pull everything at once ?

[quick birch]

it's mainly the common reason that reruns are just generally not recommended, and for carnival pity won't transfer between versions so if you do decide to pull on it with crystals/cards and do a 10x every pull after you've obtained the character is wasted, the second point can be avoided by just doing singles but the first point still stands

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[quick birch]

maybe also give this a read

[fleet rampart]

what are these selector things? like what do they give

[shadow gyro]

they give you either one of the stigmatas or a prism
these are meant for completing a set on its BiS valk incase you dont get enough by other means
or if youre desperate for prisms then you use them

only use them when necessary

[fleet rampart]

oh thx

[cinder peak]

how big is the margin between songque elf and dreamseeker? in non world star teams

[shell basin]

Very small for ele teams

And negative for phys

It’s not a big difference, she’s just marginally better for elemental teams

[quick birch]

The spending guide in the pins has a YouTube video linked for astral op DMG comparison in different teams you could have a look at that, note that this with SS DS so with SSS DS against a typeless boss the numbers will change again, though one thing to also consider is the Ari regen on WA hit she has since DS runs are not that rarely bottlenecked by ARI in RL

[broken ingot]

Hey I'm going to have enough cristalliums to buy a new weapon for my valks but idk wich one I should take. I have elysia ego, and rita rossweiss with their strigmates (for ego it's prisme one) and I also have Eden and Aponia.
In valks I have Ouroboros, Fishl SSS, Li Sushang, Elysia SS, Natasha Cioara SSS, Fu Hua consciousness, the new mei for my mains.
Do you have an idea of wich one is best ? I don't spend money on the game expect one pass in the past.

[lyric anvil]

Are you missing any dkey's from there?

[broken ingot]

what do you mean ?

[lyric anvil]

Do you have all of the divine keys from there?

[broken ingot]

Oh no I just have the older one I think, I don't use them (every time they don't really fit my valks)

[lyric anvil]

Would suggest getting any missing divine keys you're missing but if you have them all from reserve works, what to choose from there is a bit tricky

[shell basin]

also does elysia have her stellar key?

flawless benediction?

[broken ingot]

I have no star key

[shell basin]

then you shouldn't run solon on her

Solon is useless without flawless benediction

it's worse than free stigmas like scott

[broken ingot]

so should I take flawless benediction in reserve ?

[lyric anvil]

It's not there yet

[shell basin]

it's not in reserve

[broken ingot]

I don't play this Elysia for the moment

[lyric anvil]

All Stellar Keys are still gacha

[broken ingot]

oh okay it's not ego key my bad

okay

[lyric anvil]

The key of weapons are not divine keys

[broken ingot]

yeah

[shell basin]

Anyway what are your goals? Like riley said, if you have any competitive goals, then a divine key like 7t is probably going to be best, but if not it depends on what your actual goals are

what the best choice is depends on what the goal is

[broken ingot]

I just want my team/valks to be stronger

and I heard that a valk without her weapon is pretty bad

[shell basin]

thats true. Does mei have her weapon?

[broken ingot]

yeah I got it today!

[shell basin]

congrats!

Then there's a few possibilities

• Long term improving your teams, Divine Keys like Seven Thunders, Star of Eden Anti Entropy, Etc give +10 attack to everyone including mei
• Short term, if for some reason you really wanted to make the team better right this instant, you could get something like Pandora's for Terminal Aide since she'd be supporting mei
• Otherwise, you could get something for a character you like who doesn't have something already, like Nocturnal Stealth for Jade Knight (I think you liked her?)

[broken ingot]

Okay, I don't have Jade kinght xD and my Terminal AIde isn't up (and I can't up her). So have a weapon on a valk is less interessing than +10 attack on everyone ?

[shell basin]

Well, not for new valks. But every valkyrie who has their wep in war treasury is super old

only weapons there that aren't totally dead are HoO (7t or domain of origin) and Hotr

it's not that +10 flat attack is amazing it's just everything else isnt very strong

[naive warren]

just started the game again after like three years and used a nice amount of crystals, whats the best thing to get from the anni spend bonus shop?

[shell basin]

!faq spendguide

[small willow]

Spending Event Guide

Not sure what to get, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see Professor Mango's guide on what to choose in the current spending event!
-# Also see [!faq spending](#👶beginner-help message) if you are not familiar with spending events.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shell basin]

but also maybe wait until we here more abt next patch

since some info might change

and you'll get more currency from carnival anyway

[broken ingot]

the fact is that I only have old valks 😂 😭

[shell basin]

well, you have Xentinel?

[naive warren]

thanks

[shell basin]

And peregrine sword?

[broken ingot]

yeah

[shell basin]

That's two new valks

[broken ingot]

I got her 10 moths ago not during the last version

but it's the only 2

[shell basin]

That's still a pretty solid team of Mei / Peregrine Sword / Valkyrie Blastmetal

should be fine to push into A3 if you want to

[naive warren]

do you think its okay for me to buyild pity with the tickets on chenxue?

my only part 2 character is xentinel

[shell basin]

I wouldn't reccomend it no

!faq gachaop

[small willow]

Should I Pull AstralOps?

NOO CAPTAIN!

If you are a f2p meta player, you should not pull gacha AstralOps - only players who are retaining or trying to retain Nirvana should consider it if they have the funds (unlikely for f2p players).

Reasons:

• Dreamseeker is good enough despite being free.
• Too expensive, especially if they need SS (~20-30k).
  • AstralOps have the same cost as a gacha weapon, therefore pulling one may result in being unable to afford a Valkyrie's weapon down the line (for meta players, this means skipping said Valkyrie entirely).
• The damage and score increase they provide in Redlotus and below is often minimal and not needed to retain.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[naive warren]

oh i c

[shell basin]

Chenxue is one of the ones that isnt good at S rank too

so unles you can pull SS rank (very expensive) no real point

and even if you had chenxue if mei doesnt have a team Mei + chenxue will lose to mei + real team + dreamseeker

[naive warren]

got it

[broken ingot]

oh okay I'm A1 without using mei

thanks for your help !

[shell basin]

no problem

[naive warren]

what does DLC mean? is that a buff for an old character

[shell basin]

yes. Mostly it's used to refer to divine keys

[covert notch]

What are the bosses that the new Dkey is useful?

[shell basin]

which upgraded an old valkyrie to new relevance

[covert notch]

I seem to can't find a stage where she will be so useful.

[shell basin]

As dps Bleed / Lightning tribunal are very nice for her

as support any paws or PS shill she's good

or on PS stages if you don't have PS

[lyric anvil]

Bleed Mobius also

[covert notch]

PS?

[shell basin]

like Bleed VillV or lightning clock or bleed pischacha

Peregrine Sword

[covert notch]

Sounds like it's from RL and Nirv

[shell basin]

Well, yes, most valkyries are copable in low abyss

because people in low abyss don't know how to play or don't have teams

that said if you don't have either PS or Luna

their abysses are going to be awful

bleed is a hard check, if you don't have bleed you arent getting anywhere

if you have one of them you can cope low tiers

for the other's shill tho

[covert notch]

I am in A3 and RL , I never really reached the highest.

Is PS better option than Luna?

[frigid harbor]

is jin shengtan tb better than turg tb

[shell basin]

Depends on the boss. And ideally for a lot of their shill you'll have both

[lyric anvil]

Boss dependant
They may both be bleed but they fill different niches

[shell basin]

probably peregrine sword is better but luna gives account wide attack and luna dkey is way cheaper than PS + wep

and even then it's not a big difference of who is better

[covert notch]

I can pull for the new Dkey , I just really don't know whether will it be a good investment or no

[lyric anvil]

Tbf LoA good
Ignore me on this bit

[shell basin]

If you ever have goals of hitting Nirvana, yes, you'll want it. If you don't, it's a more questionable decision

[covert notch]

I'm more of a A3 and RL guy. Nirvana is full of rich people

What are the teams for Luna? Let's see if I'll have any of those lineups

[shell basin]

Paws dps runs Luna as support. Peregrine sword dps runs luna as support. Luna runs usually PS + FDD supports tho it's boss dependant

badum isnt bad either, or paws for lightning weather

[lyric anvil]

8.3 ass team

[covert notch]

Unfortunately I don't have PS , FDD and PAWS. I left before 8.2 and returned the last patch.

[shell basin]

what symbiosis battlesuits do you have?

just badum and rs?

[covert notch]

I have Badum

Who's RS again?

[shell basin]

reign solaris, mini dudu

[lyric anvil]

^

[covert notch]

Oh I skipped her

[shell basin]

and no HLE either?

hmm. Then probably luna will be helpful then

since she can be a third teammate for Mei

Mei Badum Luna

[covert notch]

HLE is who again?

[lyric anvil]

They'll probably have to do Luna Badum Mei also

[shell basin]

Hi Love Elf

[lyric anvil]

New Ely

[covert notch]

No I don't have her yet. I'm planning of pulling for her this patch if I'll skip Luna

[shell basin]

HLE will probably be more useful to your account than Luna but luna will be a lot cheaper so ymmv

I'd advise luna probably but it's hard to say with 100% confidence

[covert notch]

HLE can rerun but those Dkeys might take long right?

[lyric anvil]

[covert notch]

I'm gonna be able to get Songque AO if I pull now

Last question. Should I Max level Sparkle's Weapon and Stigma? I never upgraded it because I see her as a support as I rarely encounter QUA boss

[turbid fossil]

should i go for any of these

[lyric anvil]

Valkyrie blastmetal
Which you get her and weapon also free from doing part 2 chapter 1-3

[turbid fossil]

you can earn characters from the story?

[shell basin]

Not the gacha ones, but some of the farmable ones yes

Valkyrie Blastmetal is the best free support (free meaning you don't have to roll in gacha to get her)

[slim blaze]

ah yes the slacc

[shadow gyro]

if only that was rl

[thick flax]

Hello. If I have spent 28840 crystals, should I continue so I can reach enough tokens for Songque astral op? I only have Dreamseeker rn. I already have Mei, her gear and Lunar Vow’s new gear

[odd plume]

how far is that?

[shell basin]

You’ll get 20 free pulls for carnival? So it would be another 7k crystals spent

Ish

30 pulls

[odd plume]

oh wait, misread

[shell basin]

My personal advice would be to save and be happy you got everything early but if you wanted Sonque I wouldn’t hate putting some more pulls on dkey banner

Since a dkey sync isn’t the worst spook

It comes down to what you want. If you’d be disappointed by pulling something and wasting your crystals, definitely hold on

If it’d be fine or you were on the fence about it already you could go for it and see what happens

[eternal spindle]

can mei one shot the 2 mobs in the boss stage this abyss?

[quick birch]

yes

[thick flax]

I’m not sure if Songque will be that different from DS, since she would only be S rank. I’m not trying to be competitive with scores or anything, so I haven’t invested in astral ops before.

[eternal spindle]

so i should just not setup and just bonk with mei?

[quick birch]

just ba x 3 -> hit the ult as soon as it spawns -> ca x 2 and they're dead

[lone crater]

mostly depends on the weather and the team

[quick birch]

https://youtu.be/Pz34R5MCBxY?si=t_1EKwopEHWiugQI

if you need ref

[lone crater]

sometimes its pretty good buff

[eternal spindle]

TY that’s exactly what im looking for

[thick flax]

I’m only staying on Red lotus anyway. I don’t really think Songque would change anything much. I’ll save for now.

Thank you for the help.

[vague narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv6T6VZUG64 How come I'm doing so much less damage than in this video, with the same team of FWS and HLE, my XDC can't even kill first phase after 2 full combo, but this guy just do it with 1 full combo ?

[quick birch]

that sounds a bit weird tbh even with atk diff you shouldnt deal like 50% less dmg

are you making sure the supports are actually hitting the boss to apply their buffs

and maybe still have a look at his stats and compare them to yours

[cinder peak]

Save?

[lone crater]

sena stamps probs very meaningless, lv stamp, i dont think the +10 frags will unlock a new rank for you, and idk if that new rank does much in particular for you, if it does unlock a new rank/subrank

but overall yea i'd save

[cinder peak]

To which extent should I upgrade a valk skill for stress test?

[snow kestrel]

Hello!
I keep getting a popup saying that the game is giving out 40 pulls yet all I've received is the compensation crystals through mail. Is it unlocked through missions/levels?

[lone crater]

upgrading valks arent really expensive, but the easiest way to know is just upgrade a bit and then go fight, and if u cant beat it then come back to upgrade

i mean no one really knows ur setup to tell u what skills u to level up

[lone crater]

its just spreadout

in logins and some in special banners and other stuff

so its not exactly handing out directly 40 pulls to you

[snow kestrel]

Yeah that is to be expected, but much thanks to you!

[sharp trellis]

uhm I'm not sure where this question fits best, but I'm having issues with my story dialogue audio. I've already tried redownloading and "check downloaded assets". I can hear character voices fine (in combat voice lines) and from the interactable main menu.
any suggestions? I'm on pc btw

[shell basin]

#🔌technical-help

[sharp trellis]

oh thank you, I couldn't see that channel

[stable obsidian]

do you get valk boltstorm’s weapon in the story like blastmetal

[shell basin]

Her weapon is no longer available