👶beginner-help

[quick birch]

nyx wasnt really considered great even when she released tbh, if i'm being honest all of the second teams i could've recommened you aren't that great they're just decent enough until you get some better units

[restive jewel]

jeez,i’m really not in a good situation then

[quick birch]

the game does punish playing inconsistently quite hard so yeah

[restive jewel]

uhhh,maybe if i get the first valkyrie,it could work?

the problem is,i wouldn’t have enough to get someone signature weapon nor stigmas

[quick birch]

you just gotta have patience until you get some better teams tbh, trying to get some outdated p1 valks with crystallum won't solve the general issue of not having great valks
again for MA the second team will probably do its job and you'll really only use your miss espionage team for abyss

[restive jewel]

compared to other gacha games,the fear of missing out is real in this game 💔

[maiden garden]

You only need 2nd team for MA anyways
It's not that big of a crystal loss

Just wait till you can get a 2nd gacha valk ig

I'm still not clearing both SSS bosses rn
Im waiting for next patch

[restive jewel]

jeez,is p1 valks really that bad? p2 valks are really greedy

[quick birch]

well that comes from it's competitive nature, if other players progress but you don't its quite easy to fall behind.
once your account is established taking a few short breaks isnt to harmfull if you don't want to pursue high ranks

[restive jewel]

who’s coming in the next patch btw?

[quick birch]

it's not really about p2 or p1 it's just that the valks are old

[quick birch]

check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins, we can discuss it here as long as you spoiler everything not known to global and keep it investment related

[restive jewel]

wow,the new character looks sick as hell

hopefully i’ll be able to pull her too

i do need to pull more astra rings supports for her though

[restive jewel]

so the older they are the worse they are? that sucks

[upbeat egret]

They are dead.... p1 valks

[restive jewel]

especially since i have pretty old valkyries,they’ll only drag me down at this point

[upbeat egret]

Valks without AR are dead

[quick birch]

you'll get there with time, vbm will be a decent support for now but || depending on your crystal count you can also consider picking up the LV dkey since she's free this version but since you're already low on crystalls afaik idk if you have the funds for that||

[quick birch]

well that's how the game has worked pretty much the whole time

[restive jewel]

hopefully they’ll bring p2 valks in the war treasury shop

[quick birch]

ofc there may be exceptions to this rule but that's the general idea

[restive jewel]

or else i’m cooked

[restive jewel]

you mean her right?

[quick birch]

that will take a bit tbh, WT valks also aren't considered to actually have any meaningful use once they get put in there and if you keep playing until that happens you'll have a pretty established account

[quick birch]

yes

[restive jewel]

so then every patch,we have to keep up with the meta,that’s a lot of pressure if you think about it,or else your account will fall off if you don’t have the lastest character

so then she could be use as a astra ring support right?

[restive jewel]

.

[quick birch]

you don't need to pull every character even if you did you wouldnt have the funds to get a valk + weapon every patch, once you have an established account skipping/taking breaks is a bit less punishing since when you return you can just stick with your already established teams and still get to a decent rank

maybe give this a read actually

!faq meta

[small willow]

Why does it feel like EVERYTHING is trash?

Please don't be discouraged, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message), it's not as bad as it seems! Let us clear up the common misconceptions about meta~

[maiden garden]

You get enough to get a valk+weapon comfortably every other patch

It's enough to stay in rl from what I know.
You only need to get every new valk if you tryna maintain nirvana

[quick birch]

well yes but do you understand how p2 team building works, just because they have the astral ring system it does not mean they can support every valk that also has it

[maiden garden]

Mango
For HoT stress tests, i assume I'll need to lvl up her skills significantly?

[quick birch]

idk tbh, unlocking for sure but i have no idea how good the mult increase is in her skills

[maiden garden]

Hmm so I'll just try with what I have and upgrade stuff if I find it difficult to cleaf

[quick birch]

yuh

[restive jewel]

i finished reading,well at least it isn’t THAT bad if you don’t have a meta team,i will have to be smart on my pulls if i do want to have a meta team one day

[restive jewel]

i’m actually surprised,sometimes,some gacha game’s patch doesn’t even offer you enough pulls to guarantee a 5 stars character,so i’m glad that it isn’t the case in that game

[restive jewel]

if i remember correctly,they have to match their astra ring system in order for them to be usable as a support,correct?

[quick birch]

something in that direction but not completly that yeah

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

give the guide at the bottom a read

and we can use ME as an example after that

[restive jewel]

okay i finished reading,so they do have to match their astra ring tags with their dps main tag for them to work

[quick birch]

yeah

if we'd use ME as an example which tag would her supports want ?

[restive jewel]

wheel of destiny??

[quick birch]

yeah that's her astral ring specialisation, now you want the corresponding astral ring tag/attribute for that

[spiral badge]

the main thing you're looking at for the dps is their ring type, not their tag

ring type and tags are two separate things

Each ring type has a matching tag

once you determine the ring type of the leader, you want to find supports with tags that matches with it

[restive jewel]

btw do i get her synergy weapon from the asterite shop so i could upgrade her buffs?

[spiral badge]

you can eventually. it's not a big increase (1% overall damage maybe from each synergy) but even small increases can make a difference in this game

[restive jewel]

so as an example VBS is not such of a good support for ME because they don’t match their astra ring tags right?

[spiral badge]

again you're not matching tags of all valks on the team

you're matching the leader's ring type to the tags of the non-leaders

[restive jewel]

ohhh i see

[spiral badge]

ring type =/= tags. these are two different things

so wheel of destiny as mentioned earlier is not a tag

it's a ring type

when the leader has wheel of destiny, you are looking for supports with harmonized shadow star, which is the matching tag

[restive jewel]

oh okay so i guess it is not a priority then

[spiral badge]

yeah do it when you have spare asterite

but getting new valks, and specific ranks of the ones you will use early on are more important

[shadow gyro]

get the a ranks for elysian realm and sss vbm first
you also wanna keep spare incase you need torus or metal

[spiral badge]

anyway the logic here is otherwise right. VBs does not have shadow star, so she doesn't have the matching tag to a wheel of destiny leader

[restive jewel]

so it’s something like leader’s ring type +support’s tags match=good,right?

[spiral badge]

yes

[restive jewel]

btw,do you have any recommendations on which valks i should spend my asterite on? and those i should S rank? i can show who i have right now so it could give you a better idea

[spiral badge]

!faq asterite

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

also in the pins btw

[restive jewel]

got it

[restive jewel]

but VBS is an exception since she as the rite of oblivion,right?

[restive jewel]

okay,thanks a lot

[spiral badge]

VBs is valkyrie boltstorm (helia)

VBm is valkyrie blastmetal (coralie)

in both cases, neither of them have shadow star so they're not a good fit for Miss Espionage Rita as a leader (Wheel ring type)

but since Coralie (VBm) is Rite of Oblivion, she can at least provide partial benefits (leader skills)

the reason why matching the tag is so important is because valkyries with the tags provide core mechanics and generally better support effects than non matching tags

!faq wheel

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - Wheel of Destiny

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see how the Wheel of Destiny Specialization works!

The "Wheel of Destiny" (WoD) ring type is distinguished by generating Phantoms as the character attacks in Stellar Outburst (SO). The tag/attribute that matches with this ring type is "Harmonized Shadow Star".

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

in the case of wheel of destiny playstyle, the main thing to know is you can call phantoms that start a duration to enhance your attacking

this duration effect is called Rondo in the Shadows

and shadow star valks give you a longer rondo effect

[restive jewel]

dang i didn’t knew T A was that good,i’ll get her then

is she good enough as a A rank?

[spiral badge]

although in the case of Rita, i don't think the longer rondo actually matters though. So she more cares about getting better support effects and other specific but less major benefits

yeah TA can stay at A. idr what she gets at S but you don't expect to use her for long

if you want more damage from her you can rank her up to S

the faq actually covers this

[restive jewel]

oh okok ok i get now,but does the free valkyrie match tags with ME?

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/D02iBDO.png

[spiral badge]

which free valk

[shadow gyro]

probably talking about lv

[restive jewel]

the one from the event

[spiral badge]

LV currently does not have astral ring
Next patch ||she will get a new weapon that gives her astral ring but this weapon is gacha only. You will at worst need ~17k crystals or 60 pulls to afford it. LV with dkey does not have shadow star||

[restive jewel]

she’s a astra ring valk right?

[spiral badge]

for details check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins

[amber finch]

currently not, she is a p1 valk (aka no astral ring)

[restive jewel]

CMONNN 💔💔💔

[amber finch]

^

tap the spoilered message

[restive jewel]

is she even good to begin with? next patch i’ll have to pull for the next new character too

[spiral badge]

it's too early to ask. It's still in beta

[restive jewel]

oof 😞

[spiral badge]

any new release will find some place in the meta

but ofc you would want to prioritize those with long term and plentiful usage

[amber finch]

i can give the answer but just know that it’s still in beta

[slim blaze]

i see bleed niche

[wind stag]

Hello so i have the new Rita battlesuit, and i wanna ask, is it better to pair her with songque (full gear) or with lantern (no weapon just stigs), i have the new Rita, songque and lantern. I currently use rita, vita, lantern. Is it better to use songque instead of lantern?

[spiral badge]

historically dkeys only keep the valk at a top meta level for a few patches before falling off again

but top meta aside, they're still decent in their roles, especially support, for most intents and purposes. Differences across supports with matching ring types aren't too far off

for a fresh player, they can be a relatively less costly way to get a functional astral ring valk to fill in roles they desperately need early on

[restive jewel]

well since most of the endgame content requires only one team,it’ll be better to prioritize ME team,so if her sign makes her good again,i could pull for it

[amber finch]

wait what endgame contents are we talking about

[slim blaze]

err

[spiral badge]

? endgame in any sense wants many teams

[shadow gyro]

do you mind showing all the part 2 valks you have (mention in their have their weapon or not)

[amber finch]

since people have different ideas about what “endgame contents” are

[restive jewel]

sure,but it would be smart for me to recheck once it’s released

[spiral badge]

abyss you only use one team at a time but abyss cycles across various scenarios to emphasize different teams

memorial arena also cycles but less frequently than abyss. in it, you use 2-3 teams at once (used teams get locked to that boss)

[restive jewel]

well mostly memorial arena

[slim blaze]

MA requires 3 teams

[spiral badge]

memorial arena also isn't important in rewards

[wind stag]

I can't show, cuz im not on my pc, but i have Rita full gear, vita full gear, songque full gear and lantern just with her stigs

[amber finch]

you need 3 teams in total to clear all 3 bosses there, it also isnt an important mode rewards wise

[restive jewel]

so she’s a good replacement then

[spiral badge]

you still do want to clear the bosses and difficulty levels in MA for the crystals and source prism

but ranking high in MA doesn't give anything meaningful

[shadow gyro]

rita vita jds would be good
not sure about weaponless lantern but the others work well

[amber finch]

she does not have the same tag as ME fyi

[spiral badge]

replacement for who?

[restive jewel]

oh? i don’t have that option,i think since i’m still pretty low rank level right now

[wind stag]

So songque gives better buffs to rita than lantern?

[restive jewel]

i’m only lvl 74

[amber finch]

you still need 2 teams for lower level ma

there’s no scenarios where you’d only need 1 team for ma

[restive jewel]

well for vbm since she doesn’t match ME tag

[shadow gyro]

she's fast and rita wants on field time for herself
her buffs are okay

[wind stag]

Oh okay, thank you very much

[amber finch]

idk if sairaan already explained why vbm is in me’s team for you but || luna dkey || does not have the same tags as me

[restive jewel]

so my only actual good support for ME is vbs? jeez..i’m actually cooked

[amber finch]

vbm*

[spiral badge]

neither of them do in this case
but VBm can still provide her own support effects while also fulfilling ME's 3rd leader skill activation

||LV would not be able to. She is not RoO and she has no shadow star tag||

[amber finch]

vbs also cant support me

[restive jewel]

vbm i meant sorry

im still confused on the short terms

[amber finch]

vbm is there because her ring acts like a cope for the 3/3 requirement

[spiral badge]

but i do wonder if LV has enough other support effects to still benefit ME enough since she can originally provide lightning breach to the team.

[shadow gyro]

||technically you can get jds from spending event and if you're lucky you can also/or get vita from carnival with the free pulls, but i don't think you should be way too worried about rita's team, youll get teammates for her eventually||

[amber finch]

idk if they changed the breach req to like ring specific or not

[restive jewel]

so vbm is actually worse than vbs? or are they both bad

[shadow gyro]

vbm is better

[amber finch]

vbs literally can not support me
vbm technically can, its cope but she can

vbs also wastes much more time than vbm

[spiral badge]

VBm - has rite of oblivion but lacks shadow star > can at least activate Rita's leader skill

VBs - lacks both RoO and shadow star

[shadow gyro]

having the support that matches the ring and give needed buffs > having the support that matching the ring even if their buffs are low > having a roo valk to provide generic buffs > having a cope support that doesn't match the ring but can still do something

[amber finch]

wouldnt it be better to bank on investing into a goi team instead

[restive jewel]

oh are you talking about starry wishes event?

[spiral badge]

technically VBs can still benefit somewhat partially since she has support effects not tied to anything. Some of these effects are specific for lightning too which is ME's damage type, but overall i don't expect this to be enough to compensate

[shadow gyro]

||the one will pulling goals||

[amber finch]

starry wishes is the current topup event right?

[restive jewel]

wait does it mean i can get vita for free?

[amber finch]

topup = spending real life money into this game for rewards (max is 100 usd)
spending event = just spending crystals ( big difference) for currencies to buy stuffs

[restive jewel]

oh okay

[amber finch]

if you get really lucky

[shadow gyro]

if you're lucky with free pulls
using crystals isn't recommend

[spiral badge]

don't count on carnival free pulls. It's only a low chance

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[amber finch]

also vita wouldnt be the best pick out of the carnival supplies for you to use the free 20 pulls on

[restive jewel]

so atp RC is better

[amber finch]

vbm rc/ta is a usable starter combo yes

[shadow gyro]

yeah ||fdd would be a lot more value||

[spiral badge]

but RC doesn't have astral ring either. Also RC's support effect duration is much shorter

[restive jewel]

a goi team?

[amber finch]

this is super super cope but yeah if you get fdd from the free 20 pulls + 8.7 + || lv dkey || then you basically have a meta p2 team immediately

[spiral badge]

do you have any shadow star tags on your account atm raph?

[restive jewel]

returning returns?

[amber finch]

so i’d suggest using the pulls on fdd’s carnv banner just for that copege chance, its better than vita with her slow supporting capabilities and old tags

[restive jewel]

yeah

[restive jewel]

OHHHHHHH

[spiral badge]

if you have ME rita but nothing else, then consider using VBmetal and VBstorm for now.

Normally we would suggest RC instead of VBstorm but Rita being lightning element might make VBstorm more fitting.

[restive jewel]

i’m not the type of person to be considered “lucky” 💔

[spiral badge]

even if you are a lucky person, i wouldn't plan around being lucky regardless

[amber finch]

wouldnt vbs taking up field time kinda diminishes the supporting part

[amber finch]

just dont rely on being lucky

[spiral badge]

back when PAWS was a budget dps consideration we still used VBs iirc

[restive jewel]

where can i get the free 20 pulls?

[amber finch]

next patch

[spiral badge]

but idk if anyone tested it thoroughly

[amber finch]

hmghe

[spiral badge]

you still get 10 ARI from stellar drain, and the 25s buff duration might be esp valuable for outburst

[amber finch]

what we are telling you (spending event, free pull, etc etc) are next patch’s contents, which are not officially announced in glb/sea yet, this is not leaks since it is officially announced in CN

[spiral badge]

and ME actually gets 7s rondo unlike other valks that only get 5, and it's enough time for her to do all her actions iirc

[restive jewel]

well which means as for the third slot option,it’s either a cope support,or an another cope support,great..

[amber finch]

a bad cope or a good cope, you would obv pick the better cope

[spiral badge]

that's just how early game is now that all newer valks are gacha only

it's awkward for sure

but we have to make the best of it as ches said

[restive jewel]

let me check..

[spiral badge]

without draining our resources badly that we need for actual good valks later

[amber finch]

yeah

[restive jewel]

nope

[amber finch]

its definitely hard for new players since patches are super long now

[restive jewel]

💔🫩

[restive jewel]

okay,got it

[spiral badge]

VBm for sure. Can rank her up as much as you can.

you can pick between VBs and RC. Either is fine really. I only expect both at A rank and nothing more.

[amber finch]

but after the initial struggle, it’ll be much more enjoyable + you’d appreciate having longer patches bc you’d be able to save more for stuffs (its still so long with not alot of contents tho)

[restive jewel]

i’ll just end up gambling if i do that

[amber finch]

newbies will not have the problem of not having enough contents to do btw

im just ranting that part as a very established player with basically nothing to do in the game

[restive jewel]

okay great,that’s pretty soon

[restive jewel]

so i just have to make sure i do everything before next patch

[spiral badge]

is next patch your main priority/interest?

[restive jewel]

yeahh true

[spiral badge]

because if so, then i do have suggestions on preparing for it

but it does involve rerolling a new account later in this patch

[restive jewel]

yeah,that kinda sucks since i want to beat endgames content comfortably

[spiral badge]

once you get 3-4 or so valks that's when it starts to take off

keep in mind astral ring team building is centralized on the leader

so changing leaders while having the same valks on the team assuming they stay compatible will change the team completely

[spiral badge]

#🔮cn-gameplay-discussion message

[restive jewel]

yeah i do like that they don’t rush into each patch

[spiral badge]

note the next new valk is ||Grail ring type, hence why this plan is rushing for symbiosis supports||

[restive jewel]

pretty much,since the next new patch comes with the new valkyrie

and i need a second team

[restive jewel]

so i’d have to lose my account over it? that sucks..

[spiral badge]

ME is a bit awkward since she ||doesn't really work at all with either of the two new units next patch||

[restive jewel]

i already put a lot of effort into my account

i’d be hard for me to restart all over again

[spiral badge]

if you want to stick with your current account we can discuss further

but it'll prob just mean waiting for later future opportunities with other actually matching tagged supports

[restive jewel]

so it’s that important? but usually i put the dps as the leader right?

[spiral badge]

you can still appreciate ME and the next new valk in separate ways otherwise

[restive jewel]

so is that bad news for me?

[restive jewel]

so i picked up a niche valk 🫩💔

[spiral badge]

every valk has their niches

nowadays valks are generally more balanced especially in support roles that one particular valk doesn't stand out too greatly above others

[spiral badge]

it just means you'll have to awkwardly deal with having incomplete teams a bit longer until you get enough other valks for teams to properly form

[restive jewel]

so then what do you recommend for me,should i save up for an another new valk or should i spend it on the next patch?

[spiral badge]

it really depends on what you're looking for personally from the game

[restive jewel]

aw man

[spiral badge]

i only told you about the reroll plans for new people who want to absolutely focus on the next new valk and nothing else in the short term

[restive jewel]

well generally,i’m a casual player who’s really into design and gameplay wise,but i do want to clear some endgame content comfortably

[spiral badge]

but if you still want to keep your current account and ME then we just have to accept some things and plan around it

the idea of clearing is not adaquete for HI3

this is because the meta modes of HI3 revolve around competing against other players

so clearing the boss but with a score below too many other people will still cause you to suffer consequences

[restive jewel]

that’s why it’s generally just better to reroll my account?

[spiral badge]

that's not the reason why

your account hasn't made any costly mistakes. It's just in an awkward situation to form full teams atm. In the long term it'll pan out fine like any other account

again the reroll plan i posted was only for if your focus is only on the next patch's new valk

because the plan involves preparing to have proper (tagged) supports for it

[restive jewel]

i’m just glad my account isn’t completely cooked yet

[spiral badge]

so how do you want to go about this?

[restive jewel]

just have work hard for it to actually work

[spiral badge]

if you want to keep your account i can discuss other things to be mindful of to prepare for next valk

[maiden garden]

Btw you don't have rita's weapon yet right?

[restive jewel]

well i know it’s better to just reroll my account,and i usually do that on other gacha games when i’m pretty new into it,but since i did spend a lot of tim into this account,i’d rather stick into it and try to fix it instead

[spiral badge]

oh i was assuming you have rita's weapon already

[maiden garden]

Would be difficult to get 8.7 valk+weapon if you are still far from pity on her weapon banner

[restive jewel]

not yet but i’m really close to pity

[restive jewel]

sadly i still don’t 😭

[spiral badge]

signature weapons are important in this game

• this game's meta is competing against other players. You're not looking to get past a flat time or score. So you need to keep up with the meta standard. Weapons are part of this standard
• weapons give a 30-40% dps boost to the valk's personal damage. For a dps role, this is too much to ignore
• some weapons provide utility that might be very important to the valk's gameplay flow

[restive jewel]

im trying to grind sakura world rn while i’m texting

[restive jewel]

i still can’t believe that sign weapon gives that much of a damage boost

[spiral badge]

you said earlier you weren't aiming to be completely meta and that's ok. The reason why meta is even emphasized is because you get significantly more crystals from abyss in doing so. However this becomes paradoxical if you need to spend those crystals on things you don't like

[restive jewel]

but since you do have enough to pull the valk and weapon each patch,make sense why they are so important to begin with

[maiden garden]

Not each patch
Every other patch

[spiral badge]

keep in mind

• story and events force trials to use. You don't find too many opportunities to use your own stuff there
• for any valk you don't own but want to play with, you can always use tactics class (attack > events tab > tactics class) to play the valk

[maiden garden]

You get about 25-30k crystals each patch
Need 40k worst case

[spiral badge]

yeah you don't get enough to guarantee every patch

[restive jewel]

well obviously i don’t want to be top 0.1% rank,but it would be nice if i do clear some endgame content so i could get more crystal in return

[spiral badge]

in general you don't expect to constantly get bad luck. Therefore it generally winds up as skipping every couple of patches rather than every other patch

for f2p players, it's reasonable to only chase after most s.0 and syn1 weapon (basically no dupes) and to get enough of a roster to maintain red lotus (semi highest) tier of abyss for 500 crystals a cycle or 1k crystals a week (abyss cycles twice in one week)

[restive jewel]

aw shucks,that’ll be too generous anyway

[maiden garden]

Sairaan ||isint there a jds card in spending event next patch, i wonder if they can meet the requirements for it if they start saving now tho, they could have done rita jds vbm if that was the case||

[spiral badge]

yeah they certainly can esp if their goal is next patch valk anyway

but there's a few things i need to discuss about this and other valks

i don't really consider that spoiler tag territory since it's technically old content rerunning in a sense

the spoiler tagging is more for actually new and fresh content

so next new valk, or new weapon, new gamemodes, etc

[maiden garden]

I see
I just did it to be safe since it is an unannounced for glb event

[spiral badge]

always better safe than sorry yeah. I'm fine with you using it overall. just fyi really

well anyway since you brought it up i guess i'll talk about it now

[restive jewel]

sorry i was doing my daily so i could do an another pull

i’m at 15 left now

[maiden garden]

Kk

||Also 20 pulls for carnival, can be spent in a way to benefit if they get a lucky early||

Things one need to do just to catchup haha

[spiral badge]

yeah

[restive jewel]

that’s nice,it would be useful for next patch

alright i’ll start focusing on getting rita’s weapon now,i’ll be offline for some time,if i do get it though,i’ll tell you

thanks for the advices you gave me,they were really useful

[shell basin]

So I went and tried both and as expected they’re both very painful but at least my SSS VBS ended up looking a fair bit better, the earlier outbursts are very nice

As is having buffs the entire SO

[spiral badge]

• main priority right now is to finish getting rita's weapon. Afterwards start saving. Don't forget about free luna before this patch ends

If you want to focus more on Rita

• JDS valk will be available to obtain in spending event.
  • however you will get her weaponless. therefore you wouldn't use her for dps or sub dps purposes.
  • part of her appeal early on is because Law of Ascension was new making her more useful with her heavenly shift tag, but that's no longer the case.
  • other things are available in spending event that you may want to consider instead. Songque astral op might be interest even if she at S rank isn't a major benefit. It might be a stepping stone towards a future SS rank which is actually major.
• Carnival will give you 20 free rolls for a low chance at various different valk reruns
  • Vita has Shadow Star, and has many other tags. However all of these tags are quite old and she doesn't support the latest ring type
• As i said earlier, I don't think Rita needs longer rondo to do all her attacks, which is the main appeal of shadow star in the first place. I think you can get away with focusing less on rita for now, and getting shadow star from other future new releases that happen to have it instead.

[shell basin]

With RC I always felt pressure to end it early

[spiral badge]

oh ty for testing

hmm if that's how it feels at sss i wonder how iffy it'll be at A then

[shell basin]

Better than paws

But not good

At least she has a SO cycle, with paws VBM VBS you sort of don’t

[spiral badge]

if you want to focus more on the next new valk, this ring type will be ||grail, meaning you want symbiosis supports||

• first of all i haven't looked at her full details yet. It's very possible i missed something. Details are at #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins
• ||the idea of grail ring type is to constantly generate and burn sp on your ult. Symbiosis supports provide tremendous sp regeneration in outburst which is why they are important. Without them, mei will more opt to end her outbursts early||
• ||LV is free this patch, but her weapon next patch is what gives her astral ring. Once she gets astral ring stuff, she will get symbiosis tag making her a viable support for mei. However this is still a separate weapon to save up for and the banner for it ends sooner than mei. Still cheaper than spending 40k crystals for valk+weap or 25k crystals for just a valk||
• PS will rerun later this patch but reruns are generally not worth spending actual crystals on. You have limited crystals and want near full mileage from them. Rerolling for PS is ok since that's arguably 0 crystal cost (ideally you reroll for ||mei, but free LV is only in this patch making rerolling in the new patch not as viable||
• as mentioned earlier, there's 20 free valk rolls during carnival
  • ||FDD, FWS, PAWS all have symbiosis. However keep in mind you wouldn't be spending crystals for them nor their weapons.||

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[spiral badge]

for more general reasoning why pulling reruns is bad

tbh i wanted to bring this all this up a bit later once you understand astral ring better. I feel there's still some things about it i need to clear up

[spiral badge]

so i didn't get to fully answer this earlier. You have an idea backwards. The leader determines the dps. It's not that the dps is determined before they are placed as leader.

All gacha astral ring valk are multifunctional depending on how are placed in the team:

• they can serve as either a dps IF they are the leader (in that case we look at ring type/specialization)
• or they can act as a support if they are non leader (in which case we look at her tags/attributes).

Maybe we can try an example of:
||New Mei, LV with her new weapon||, and FWS Kiana, all in the same team

if ||new mei is the leader dps, her ring type is grail. LV and FWS have symbiosis so this team matches and works. The damage will mainly come from Mei so this team will mainly deal mech physical damage||

if ||LV is the leader dps, her ring type is also grail. She will play similarly to Mei where she restore and consume tons of sp. The damage however will come mainly from LV which is bleed lightning psy damage||

if FWS is the leader dps, ||uh oh her ring type is NOT grail. Her ring type is law of ascension. This LoA ring type matches with heavenly shift tag, but this works out because Mei and LV both have that tag. Damage will mainly come from Kiana who deals SD fire damage||

tbh ama's video in the astral ring team building faq does go into this heavily. Maybe check that out

Not every 3 valks will work nicely this way (e.g., ME doesn't really match well with ||the new mei or luna||)

[spiral badge]

anyway i need to go now. If you have any questions about the mountain of things i left behind, feel free to ping and specify. Even if i don't get back to you in time, other people can help you here too @restive jewel

[slim blaze]

oh waut

im in RL, Vbm > FDD?

[amber finch]

no

hofi>vbm

fdd takes up a slot no matter what

[slim blaze]

ah well

pls rate. i think i could have done better lel. andrius just punching bag

https://streamable.com/tz0xqa

[restive jewel]

me too,but i’m really thankful that you took the time to explain it to me,i really appreciate it,still,i didn’t get her weapon,but i’m at 12 left now

[restive jewel]

never in my life could i do that much damage to an enemy 💔 so you def cooked here

[slim blaze]

i appreciate the glaze, but i'm looking for critics

[quick birch]

at the start of p2 it looks like you didnt hit hofi weapon

maybe that extra dmg could help you kill it a bit sooner

[slim blaze]

hmmm

does hitting it give buffs or something?

[quick birch]

yeah

hitting WA or entering SO

[slim blaze]

i thought you can just cast it on air

like hit nothing and get buffs

[quick birch]

you can, the hit buff just isnt really huge so you kinda skip it depending on the boss

[slim blaze]

ah

this is the part where i read

[quick birch]

it's not really huge as i said

so idk if it'll acually help you that much

other than that maybe try to do ba2 cancles as much as you can, cancle with SO, cancle with ult etc.

[slim blaze]

yeah i do the ba2 jump

ba2 ult

[quick birch]

yeah, i've just seen like 1 ult or smth where you didnt do it and i couldnt hear the BA2 in your SO animation. In the end the dmg diff is probably negligible but it could help you squeeze out a few points

[slim blaze]

true enough

time to squeeze 9 pts

[restive jewel]

i was just trying to be nice but alright 👍

[slim blaze]

IM THANKING YOU

[lone crater]

can use it to parry

[slim blaze]

yeah

[lone crater]

but it depends on rest of ur rot

[slim blaze]

there's a lot of free time after 3rd parry anyways

i can cast it after

to trigger FDD qte

[slim blaze]

no way i +100

[wicked cargo]

I find it nice I can download story acts one at a time

[mortal carbon]

is is really convineint for devices with low storage space

[slim blaze]

Ah shit

I fell asleep forgot to MA

[fervent furnace]

Vita HoFi Coralie still going strong on this boss 💪

I wonder how much RL gets with this lineup & wolf enemy

[slim blaze]

Lmao

[fervent furnace]

Niiice

[slim blaze]

Slaccinator

[shadow gyro]

wtf same
we're bricked 🥀

[lyric anvil]

Washed

[shadow gyro]

shouldn't have slept fr

[lyric anvil]

[lyric anvil]

Thinking about buying Pala to get Thelema's Weapon (I already bought Knight and Monthly), I'm 5 balls away from 20 and at BP Level 61, just wondering if it's a good decision to do so

[primal slate]

Do you need to use Thel urgently? I assume you're asking bc of Shadow HoD Minion

[lyric anvil]

Tbh I don't want to keep coping with FDD on Rita bosses in Abyss

[primal slate]

no other HSS supps?

[lyric anvil]

Just HLE and Thel

[shadow gyro]

did u level thel stigs btw

[lyric anvil]

All maxed yes

[primal slate]

i can't say it's rlly worth it, tho you'll need to reach around lv80 with just knight but idk you can reach it within abyss duration

[lyric anvil]

Probably not for HoDom

Maybe lightning bull and flower

[primal slate]

what's your current rank and trophies?

[lyric anvil]

RL

1825
I -100 this cycle-

[shadow gyro]

weap will help but i don't think youre that urgent

plus u need mats to level up thel weap

[primal slate]

id say try to +0 HoDom with your current stuff and reach lv80 with knight if you aren't sure of spending

[lyric anvil]

At first the decision was Thel weapon or AF and FHD

[lyric anvil]

And alright

[shadow gyro]

for now since thel stigs are maxed u can use her just leave wtv weap she is as is until then

you can get the weap later when you decide more on if you want it or the dkeys first

[lyric anvil]

+20 attack or that yeah
Alright

[primal slate]

probably better to pick Thel wep considering no HSS supps other than HLE, but yeah not worth buying pala for

[shadow gyro]

yeah

[lyric anvil]

Definitely help in MA

Though that's more minor-

[prisma silo]

Hey guys, as a returnee whose part 2 characters only include

1. Hi love elf 4/4 gear
2. HoH:Ego 4/4
3. Seele HorB 4/4
4. Senadina 3/4 no wep
5. Thelema 4/4
6. Lantern 3/4 no wep
7. HoFi Kiana 4/4
8. Coralie 4/4

Is Vita still worth to roll for or are there other valks with higher priority?

[lone crater]

save for next patch

[prisma silo]

I also see that vita is rerunning next patch in a carnival banner, will she be worth then?

[lone crater]

no

[lone crater]

carnival probs have 20 free pulls, if there's no one better there then sure can try your luck for it, but no don't spend any extra xtals for it

[primal slate]

no

[prisma silo]

Should I skip because since there’s better options like ||new Mei|| or is it cos Vita is now falling off/not necessary? (Compared to other units)

[primal slate]

what afk said also applies to any other valk in carnival

[maiden garden]

Bit of both

You'll get much less mileage out of her considering how less her weathers gonna appear

[primal slate]

both, Vita has fallen off already as of now and the meta moves towards new releases

[prisma silo]

I see, thanks for all the advice tho guys

[spiral badge]

please spoiler tag the name of the next new valk since that information isn't officially known in glb servers yet

[prisma silo]

Gotcha, forgot that its only in CN, mb

[inner bronze]

anyone got a vid/demo on rita vs hod?

D:

[rotund roost]

How much crystals do you get from this

the chapter 2

[shell basin]

APHO 2 has like 2.4K crystals

[serene crystal]

Also mentioned in pins

[rotund roost]

Can you get it all in one day?

[serene crystal]

No

[rotund roost]

give or take how long will it take to get it all

[serene crystal]

A month or two, a lot is hidden behind clearing the weekly/semi weekly combat encounters for keys.

[restive jewel]

i finally got rita signature after grinding all day ❤️‍🩹

btw do i have to pri-arm her weapon?

[maiden garden]

.

In short:yea

[restive jewel]

alright thanks

[pallid sable]

Will adv/ascension supply for older (non-WT) valks return one day? What are the odds that, say, Vill-V ascension supply pops up?

[serene crystal]

I would expect the probability of ascension/adv for non-astral ring valks to be close to 0.

As they have no meta purpose at all.

[ancient needle]

She already is in Reserve Works, that should say enough by itself

The next step after that is WT

[lyric anvil]

Valks that are old end up in Dorm, Reserve Works, and WT

[eternal spindle]

good enough to stay in top3?

[shell basin]

In a2? prolly

[eternal spindle]

just got 10, what do i buy?

[shadow gyro]

dkeys u dont have

[shadow gyro]

7 thunder, utu, star of eden,...
fd (flower) and abyss flower last becasue u need counterpart
judah get from exchange, sakura get from foundry

there
skip the first one

[eternal spindle]

tysm

[frozen crypt]

did I update that..? I can't remember

!faq balls

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[frozen crypt]

SOEAE is new right? Xd

[serene crystal]

yes, was put there this patch

[frozen crypt]

Forgor

Nice

[wicked cargo]

How do I add chibis to my dorm

I finally hit level 40 :d

[serene crystal]

Own the characters

[wicked cargo]

oke, what next

[shadow gyro]

then u can put them in the rooms u want
note some characters like fischl and sparkle cannot be added inside the dorm
you may also see them wandering next to the dorm menu

[wicked cargo]

I don't know what menu to drag them in

[shadow gyro]

lemme see if i can screenshot

[serene crystal]

Dorm -> residency assignment

[shadow gyro]

mhm

[wicked cargo]

thanks

[charred basin]

how many of these do I need to dismantle to buy one weapon?

[thick bolt]

4

[charred basin]

[wicked cargo]

what's the name of the elysia bow that gives me astral ring?

[charred basin]

thanks

[serene crystal]

Flawless benediction

[wicked cargo]

Is it gacha only or is there a way to obtain now

[quick birch]

gacha only atm

[wicked cargo]

I can wait 😔 I just got her today

[quick birch]

note that it is generally not recommended to get flawless benediction via gacha atp but if you're casual it's really up to you
it's not recommended anymore because

• backpulling in general is not recommended
• she's generally considered a mediocre support for LoA and WoD, while she's decent in GoI other optiosn still outperform her
• hohe DPS is extremely dependent on the right supports and in some cases the supports are even played as the DPS outside of SO
• you will be competing against players who have hohe at SS-SS1 || with next patch probably a few more SSS because she'll be in WT|| meaning that you'll be extremely behind regarding ranks, || even though it's technically possible to farm her to SSS now since she'll be in WT next patch this will still take a lot of time and we'd generally recommened to buy everyone who's in WT and ER first ||

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[quick birch]

read this regarding the first point

again the decision is up to you in the end i'm just here to make you aware of the drawbacks if you have competitive goals in the game

[wicked cargo]

Mango my hero

[remote ridge]

Are the aw and Al recommendations still up to date ?

[thick bolt]

up to date

[wintry wharf]

the new event has dailes ?

[thick bolt]

nope, it's 5-10 minutes puzzle event

if you're talking about that journey of the brave one

[wintry wharf]

good

[wicked cargo]

Is the current rita any good?

[maiden garden]

Every new valk is gonna be recommended to get in their release patch if you can get their weapon along with them and have other valks that support the ring they have

It's been a few weeks that she has been out so her weathers would be a bit less than launch

Best to send which p2 valks you have when deciding to pull for future stuff

[wicked cargo]

I started at the beginning of jan so I have no such things 😔

[maiden garden]

So id recommend saving till next patch

[low matrix]

Whats the best sparkle team rn

[wicked cargo]

is there something magical coming

[maiden garden]

It would just be the best use of your pulls

You don't have valks that support rita's ring so it would be awkward to use her

Especially coz ||there's no valk that works with rita's ring next patch, so you would be stuck with her||

Best to save, get || mei and her weapon next patch and try to luna's dkey that's coming next patch||
This would have you a semi complete team in the fastest time that I can see

Also cheap too

In the meantime, you should buy Vbm fragments from the shop and build her

[maiden garden]

Assuming no pity
It should be 40k for the valk and ||17k for the dkey||

[wicked cargo]

which shop is that? I was not aware any astral ring character was craftable

[maiden garden]

Asterite shop

Make sure to get luna from the event that going on

[wicked cargo]

what is luna exactly, I don't know any terms

[maiden garden]

Do you mean for the current abyss?

Coz there's no 'best' team
You choose valks based on weather and boss

[wicked cargo]

I'm having a hard time finding this

[maiden garden]

Her

She can be obtained for free this patch by doing tasks

You can check the event tab for it

[maiden garden]

Go to 'supply' (near the bottom right) then shop
Scroll down roll under the "Basic Currency" tab, specifically in the "Fragments" section

[wicked cargo]

oke it says I have 18450 of these pink rock things

oh it only gives 25. I need 5 more 😢

[maiden garden]

You need a lot more
It's just you can only buy 30 per week

Just buy it at your own pace
No rush

[wicked cargo]

I heard theres a way to craft the last stigmata set you need if you get weapon early. Can you please instruct me 🙏

[maiden garden]

Yea

You go to supply and then foundry on bottom left

What stig are you crafting btw

[wicked cargo]

Was just prelearning for next patches banner

[maiden garden]

Ah i see

[wicked cargo]

Yikes this might take a bit to farm

[wraith oasis]

I have enough crystallum to buy one stigma for hot, which one should I get? I've already bought her weapon

I'm leaning towards handel (m) or (b)

[shell basin]

Handel is in the foundry

You can just craft all three without wasting your crystallum

Spend it on 7t if you really want to upgrade HoT

[wraith oasis]

7t? Her weapon? Already bought that

[shell basin]

In that case you could buy other dkeys to increase account wide attack, which would also buff her and everyone else

Point is you can just use ether fuel to get Handel

And ether fuel is way easier to farm

So you could just get all three that way

[wraith oasis]

How to easily farm it? Is it from that 10 weekly attempts stage

Forgot what's the name

[shell basin]

Yeah universal mirage

And you can use time swirl tickets to speed it up

[amber finch]

are you just building hot bc you like her, i checked your old messages and it seem like you're just kinda doing whatever you like right

because if you think she's good nowadays

she's not

[wraith oasis]

I see, right now i was only able to get to the tier 3 mats. Can't beat the tier 4 yet

[wraith oasis]

Oh yes, also to carry some content as I don't have any limited astral ring valks yet

[amber finch]

i mean, you currently have nothing of use for any contents at all, ironically enough, using hare would probably deal more dmg than your hot

also building up hot is like a very very long process

i'd say give or take 5-6 months at least for you to fully gear her up

[shell basin]

Handel takes g4s yeah but I would expect her hot to be able to clear stage 7, with the proper supports?

They’re very power creeped

[wraith oasis]

Right now I'm using hot as main dps, azure empyrea and hotr as supports

[amber finch]

also this is a very random stig lineup, try using something like edison atleast

[wraith oasis]

I know they're power crept, but since she's the only one I've built so far, i just go all out on her for now

[amber finch]

yeah dont use ae and hotr, you dont have their gears and you'll be farming sp to death before you can use hot

[wicked cargo]

I have a question about stigmatas. So when I refine them they go back to level 1, but they keep stats? Is there a specific way I should be leveling them

[amber finch]

try rc/kira + ta/eden

[shell basin]

You could just use VBM and RC/TA

[amber finch]

oh right vbm

[amber finch]

refine = uncapping the stig level but it resets the current stig level

[shell basin]

Refining them increases the % bonuses. Ideally you want your stigmas 50/50, 1/50, 50/50 but sometimes it’s not worth the mats to upgrade stigmas for old Valkyries

[amber finch]

there are no specific ways aside from when you're super dirt poor with stig xp mats

[wraith oasis]

I do have edison, but is it better? I'm just going with the raw stats & generic buffs for these stigs

Vbm is blast metal, right? Who's rc/ta? Sorry my terms are so off

[amber finch]

raw atk wont do much for your hot since for your uhhh level yea, buffs are better, and the stigs you chose dont even have good generic buffs, atleast use p1 stigs other than p2 stigs

and dont waste prisms by crafting stigs for valks you dont have

[amber finch]

yes and glossary in pins

i do recommend asking us before you craft or buy stuffs since it seems like you're pretty clueless rn

if possible then can you send me your stigmata inventory

[wraith oasis]

I guess these are enough?

[amber finch]

yeah definitely use vbm as a support, idk why you prioritized hotr and ae over her 😭

for rc, she can use fu hua musician mb and gluttony t as her support stigs

[wicked cargo]

So I should always refine before I upgrade stigs?

[amber finch]

you need to upgrade the stig to its max level before refining is possible

[wicked cargo]

Oh ok, yikes

[amber finch]

wait a second

isnt refining affixing

[amber finch]

refining and upgrading are 2 different things fyi

[wicked cargo]

Wait whata enhance then

[amber finch]

enhancing = leveling up the stig

upgrading = uncapping the stig's level cap but resetting the stig's current level, giving it higher raw stats and buff multipliers

you need to enhance before you upgrade

[spiral badge]

@wraith oasis i feel alot of what you've been asking have been told to you in our previous conversation. Perhaps go back and review it. Check the reply of this message if you lost track of it, and maybe copy a link to it for future reference.

Nothing wrong with wanting to ask again for other people's responses though. Or maybe I wasn't clear enough the first time and you can more specify what you need further help on.

[amber finch]

refining the stig is more of an endgame mald thing for more established accounts, you can always do it lightly but i dont recommend heavily investing everything you have into it

[wicked cargo]

Wait refine is putting a copy on a copy, oh...

[wraith oasis]

I'm using the recommendation from the game

[amber finch]

no

dont use hsr/gi/zzz logic into hi3

[amber finch]

the devs dont play the game, dont trust ingame recs

[wicked cargo]

Mb

[amber finch]

this is what refining is

basically its a way to give your stigs more stats

this is what it looks like when you click on the refine button

as you can see, my T stig will have 46 more attack because i refined it and gave it two 23 atk affix lines

like i had mentioned, you dont need to mald this to insane levels

this is what upgrading and leveling up a stig looks like, nowadays you can just use the “quick upgrade button” tho

[wraith oasis]

I tried using eden & fischl but don't exactly know how they're synergies with hot. Is fischl for extra dmg only?

[amber finch]

eden is a lighting support, fischl is also a lighting support

[spiral badge]

i said not to use eden actually, because you don't have her weapon. She's a top support if you have everything you need for her including ranks and gear, but you don't have that.

I only gave you that information because you were really focused on Mei/HoT, so it could be a long term project for you. Although beware even at her highest potential HoT is very out of date now but you said you were fine with that.

[amber finch]

do try to use the team qt and i gave you since your vbm is basically 4/4

[spiral badge]

For fischl at a low rank, the main effects you want to do are Weapon Active (hold to aim and then release to shoot) > press attack to QTE (plunges above the enemy). This applies a lightning debuff for a limited duration

The other main effect fischl can do when you have enough sp is to cast her ultimate

---

and yeah as ches and qt said, focus more on VBm.

[amber finch]

i wonder if vbm dps will be better than hot lmao

[wraith oasis]

I see is any weapon works? I usually just tap then qte, after that hold attack, then switch.

[spiral badge]

yeah that's fine. The effect is from fischl's skills. not from her actual weapon

i may have mentioned to you to hold attack before because you had a paganini stigmata iirc

[wraith oasis]

I think so, i used her in part 2 main story trial character, but I think she needs full astral team for better rotation?

[spiral badge]

so fischl's hold attack is considered a charged attack, which is what paganini needs to trigger its team support effect

[amber finch]

if you have a full p2 team then you wouldnt use vbm as a dps

[wicked cargo]

why is the middle one different

[amber finch]

it doesnt have atk

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/IPHY2HR.png

[amber finch]

so leveling it up wouldnt really give you better stats since hp and def is useless nowadays

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/ERsCs7J.png

[spiral badge]

!faq coins

[small willow]

Saving Coins

I'm here to help, Captain!

To save coins, upgrade your (M) Stigma to 5-star, and leave it unlevelled at Lv. 1/50!
Why? Because there is no damage loss doing so!
(See image below)

You'll save a chunk of coins and twin soul crystals, which can be used for upgrading other equipment!

NOTE: This does not apply to all (M) Stigmata, [click here](#👶beginner-help message) for a more detailed explanation!

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for physical non-bleed dps you would still level up the middle piece since it has CRT which is basically a small portion of crit rate. Some effects in the game can convert excess crit rate into crit damage too.

But if you're low on coins, then you can prob skip leveling the m piece on phys dps too. CRT is really really unimportant

[amber finch]

it is not crit rate btw, thats a different thing

[wicked cargo]

I think I need another rundown on enhance and upgrade

so many words 😵‍💫

[amber finch]

i already gave you one, scroll up

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hm i may have got you confused with someone else. I don't see paganini b here.

====the bottom is probably too technical. You can ignore it.====

Do note if the bird isn't on field yet, you need to summon it first before you can actually hold attack again for a charged attack.

i guess summoning the bird can help restore sp but i feel summoning it constantly for only one more ult sometimes might not be worth it. Fischl mainly restores more sp at SS rank? i don't remember

But also if you really had paganini b, it can trigger off of ultimate too.

[amber finch]

all you need to know is that just use the quick upgrade button, if you want to save on coins and exp mats then quick upgrade the m stig to 45/45 and just upgrade it to 1/50 manually

you dont need to manually enhance and upgrade stigs nowadays

[wraith oasis]

Here's my current build for fischl

[shell basin]

That’s better than nothing but if you’re using her as a support you’d be better off with Ogier T + FHM 2pc or Rouald Amusen 3pc

[wicked cargo]

So how do I know what skills to prioritize

[amber finch]

this is literally all that you do nowadays

[amber finch]

every skills, if you want to save on mats then ignore hp regen/def% skills

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example of a skill you can ignore upgrading https://i.imgur.com/W2xGLaJ.png

actually this skill might still be nice for the ignore interrupt. I didn't even notice that was there lol

[amber finch]

true

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https://i.imgur.com/uu9ctzF.png

ok better example. ignore the previous one lmao

this is from VBm coralie

[wicked cargo]

so on purpose is trash

[amber finch]

this too, also vbm

[amber finch]

kinda ig

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for most cases, it's fine and expected to unlock every skill nowadays. You only skip skills if you're low on resources and trying to pinch pennies basically

[amber finch]

yeah

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valks generally only have one or two purely defensive skill nowadays, although lately i feel they've been bundling them with offensive effects so you can't ignore them

in the past we used to have some specific cases where a skill isn't good to unlock or upgrade but it's been a long time since those existed

controversial skills nowadays do have a toggle usually

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enhance = increase level
upgrade = increase stars (level cap)

you must max level before you can upgrade

generally this distinction doesn't matter since you need to do both as much as you can until the stigmata is maxed out (aside from M stigs where you do the last upgrade, but skip the last level ups)

[lime turret]

Id like to ask if this build is okay In a way it's helpful for a beginner

I'm trying to max out her stigmata

[amber finch]

yes that is her signature best build

wait a second

[lime turret]

The weapon tho sucks I think but is it okay?

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where's her weapon?

[amber finch]

thats not her weap my bad

[lime turret]

LOL I'M MISSING HER WEAP 🥹

[amber finch]

it is not ok, she really wants it

[wicked cargo]

I heard the weapon is half the power

[lime turret]

But what's an okay WEAP for her other than her signature

[amber finch]

not exactly true but yeah

[amber finch]

none of them, her weap has alot of important buffs and mechanics for her, if you really have to cope then something like horb's dkey or fr's weap could work

[lime turret]

Also should I max out her stig first then try getting her weap tho?

[amber finch]

maxing stigs out wont consume crystals or exp materials (aside from coins) so it wont affect you getting weap and you're already close to maxing the b stig

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Signature weapons are the only gacha exclusive thing gear wise now

generally for most valks they can be

• 30-40% personal damage compared to the next best alternative (even worse in your case)
• some valks might have important utility from them that will otherwise prevent their regular gameplay flow or important utilities for specific fights

whenever you roll for a valk, you should at least plan to get the weapon before the banner ends

meta wise the worst you can do is to constantly roll and wind up with incomplete valks without weapons or vice versa

[amber finch]

rita not having her weap would really brick her ability to have a full poise (full bar) on her qte, and she'll feel quite clunky to play

[wicked cargo]

So the senadina and songque I'm seeing on banner are not worth right

[amber finch]

yeah, they're both old valks and they cant support newer rings

[wicked cargo]

If ba dum ever comes back is she worth

I like kiana 👉 👈

[wraith oasis]

This is my current load out for fischl, is this okay? Should I upgrade her weapon or just leave it at that

[amber finch]

also a no go, the golden rule here is to just not pull on any reruns, we usually call it a backpull

[wicked cargo]

SO SAD

[amber finch]

if you dont care about being optimized with your pulling decisions and how it'd affect you in the long run then you can just do whatever you want

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i mean if you like her then we can work out a compromise. Meta isn't everything but just beware the value isn't as great at this point

[wicked cargo]

So this kiana ba dum fell off already?

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her weapon isn't really going to matter. Fischl is just a support here. She's not doing major personal damage. Upgrading the weapon isn't going to improve the support effects she gives to your HoT

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no

she's still well used

but your crystals are limited

[amber finch]

no, she's still around and || new mei|| actually uses her in her team

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you're not going to get as much value out of badum at this point as you would with a different new release

[amber finch]

^

[lyric anvil]

||And other way around too||

[amber finch]

badum as a dps is also not uh relevant nowadays

[lyric anvil]

True

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still a use case that will exist now and then and not to completely discredit but yeah

[amber finch]

just because we recommend not to backpull doesnt mean that the valk is now obsolete and unusable

[wraith oasis]

So, right now my priority is vbm sss, use astertite for that frags. Keep fischl at a and get rc/vbs and start upgrading them instead?

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direct powercreep doesn't really happen until maybe roughly 2 years

but a valk may decline in value and use in ways besides direct replacements

their use cases can appear less, or other good enough options can show up to compete against them, even if they are not a direct replacement

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!faq asterite

[small willow]

Asterite Priority

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view the Asterite Priority list!
-# Aimed at beginner accounts.

Also see Professor Sairaan's Asterite Sources breakdown [here](#👶beginner-help message).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lyric anvil]

||Funny enough she is getting a new shill next patch||

If they run it

[wicked cargo]

😵‍💫

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alright let's not get too deep into beta or cn specifics for now and focus more on the basics and fundamentals

[lyric anvil]

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if you want to get badum, then bear in mind she will be rerunning next patch via carnival. Normally this is very ill advised to pursue outside of the 20 free rolls they give us but

if you really like badum specifically that much, maybe you may consider sacrificing some meta efficiency to enjoy playing her

[wicked cargo]

I like kiana specifically that much

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although bear in mind we do get free access to a trial badum with her tutorial. See if you can be happy with playing with her there.

yeah i was going to further say, i did notice you said kiana but we have no real news of another kiana happening anytime soon

[lyric anvil]

Don't think they'd release one for her this soon

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ultimately who knows and they can do anything they want, and are very guilty of breaking expectations of players or trends they set up but

whatever i'm going to say is purely speculation
||it's awfully uncanny for them to run badum for previous year's cny and the next new valk for this year||

[wicked cargo]

what is this carnival you speak of

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!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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read carnival generally here, and check #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins for details

[lyric anvil]

||Surprised they're rerunning her and Vita again in carnival||

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anyway there's more speculation fuel i can give to either side really but ultimately for now, we have no news so don't hold any hard expectations

if you really want to plan around badum, let us know and i can offer guidelines to prioritize accordingly

or layers of investments to consider from to find what works for you

but otherwise since you said just kiana, maybe we can explore other kiana battlesuits even if they're not meta

[wicked cargo]

How do I change the character on my bridge

[shell basin]

||I mean what other options is there tho other than a rerun, it’s not like they were gonna put HLE in carnival||

[wicked cargo]

Teach me sairaan of the sea

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you read about carnival already right? So the main thing to be mindful of are how once carnival ends, any built up pity in it expires. You don't want to leave anything half done there.

ideally you'll be single rolling in it the entire way but i'll let you decide if that's within your sanity to do so lol

[lyric anvil]

That animation is long

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but anyway we get 20 free valk banner only tickets for it. The cost for a full valk and weapon does not change. Worst case scenario it'll cost you 70+60 rolls or 130 rolls total. 280 crystals per roll so that's a total of 36,400 crystals.

we still have time to prepare and your account is relatively new so i think this amount is achievable. There's more crystals next patch too since it's CNY.

but if you can't reach that amount before badum's final run in that carnival duration ends, you're not going to roll there. It's too risky

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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be sure to carefully review these to get all crystals you can in the meantime

this also means you won't be spending your crystals on other things unless you value them more than badum, but this was what i was telling you earlier about why badum isn't normally recommended at this point

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does all this make sense so far?

tbh the total cost i said earlier also included weapon but... i also want to discuss what to expect out of using badum and if you would want her weapon or not

the short of it is, if you want to dps with badum then you're not skipping her weapon. However we already said earlier that badum's top dps use cases are much less common than before now.

you can still appreciate her as a support on certain teams and she doesn't greatly need weapon for that

[wicked cargo]

What about her supportive abilities

[shell basin]

Badum is a really solid support for WS Grail and LoA

Her buffs are good, there’s some solid utility on eg SD content, but mostly it’s because she’s really fast at buffing

So you get more time on your dps for your rot and get a higher score

[wraith oasis]

I read that TA is basically a buff up version of YA? Is that basically true?

[shell basin]

If you plan to pull say ||Mei or Luna dkey|| or if you have a dps for one of those types you might use Badum to support them even without a wep (or with a cope wep like idk shamash)

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not really true but YA is a very old physical support while TA was one of the last ones we had before astral ring happened.

most people think of drive kometa when talking about an upgraded YA. DK is the augment form which is basically a separate battlesuit

but YA and DK are very out of date now. Only use them for stress test when you can spare the resources to do so

[wraith oasis]

I see, but basically she function similarly, right? Just have her on team, and just be done with her? Just refresh her shield whenever that broken?

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did you read their skills?

maybe i'm asking too much but depending on what you're looking for it's not entirely true

[wraith oasis]

Right now I'm reading the passive for now

[lime turret]

I have less xtals can u give me any more tips to get more xtals

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TA's main appeal (for an undeveloped account) is her shield which provides a 10% total damage debuff as long as it stays up.

But TA provides other physical buffs from her actions iirc

And early on she can actually do ok damage compared to everything else you can easily get.

Part of TA's role is also to help with shield break.

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!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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second link are missables so maybe start with those first

[lime turret]

What are missable?

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Crystals you can miss and never be able to get again

limited time available

[lime turret]

Ohh so those are the event ones right

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event is one kind, yes

although a more basic example is doing your dailies

[lime turret]

Ohhhhhhhh

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if you didn't do your daily yesterday, you're not going to be able to make up for it and get them back

[lime turret]

Oki ty I'll keep doing my dailies and events then

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there's a tooon of ways to get crystals in all sorts of amounts so please review the sheet in detail

there's a second tab for images too if that helps

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tbh I don't remember too much what YA can do. I don't think her shield buffs the team. She can tap attack to apply impair which reduces enemy defense for a short while but you should be using HoS (farmable in War Treasury) or HoRb for that

DK's shield can buff the team but the cost to get her in addition to YA, for very out of date performance makes this very difficult to consider

DK plays similarly to YA but it's not strictly an upgrade. Some of the way she works is very different from how YA works. For example, the tap attack doesn't impair anymore. It instead applies weaken which is a very different effect.

anyway forget about YA and DK really. Only look at them for her stress test but you can do that anytime later.

[wraith oasis]

Oh i just oversimplified their roles as shielders. YA i believe a debuffer, but I barely use that as the debuff was pretty short iirc. DK does has the element buff iirc, but the shield only applies to element attacks? I believe. So since TA also a shielder, i just associates her with them

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i think you should review the details again. DK has nothing to do with elementals. You're thinking of Wolf's Dawn perhaps

or just forget about them all except for TA

[wraith oasis]

Lol, yea i guess so. Do i need to worry about their equipment if i use them for supports? I'm talking about vbm (got her weapon from part2 story), vbs, rc & ta?

And looking from the astertite guide, the one that is recommended to sss just vbm & vbs, right?

[shell basin]

VBM weapon would like to be maxed but it’s less urgent than gacha Valkyries

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VBstorm doesn't need to be SSS. She doesn't see enough use to be worth spending that much on her

but yes focus on VBmetal mainly

[shell basin]

VBS to SSS prolly useful if you’ve got Rita but it’s super expensive so not a priority, VBM ranks >>> VBS ranks

And there’s lots of other things to spend Asterite on

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for any valk, you're always going to try to make their equipment boost at whatever role they're trying to do

take a look at the stigs you were using on fischl earlier. Does it make sense why we dropped Ogier M (doesn't help team damage) and B (buffs physical damage but HoT is not physical) (ogier 2pc and 3pc aren't helpful either)?

and why we replaced them with Fu Hua Musician 2pc?

[wraith oasis]

Yes, looking at the generic buff doesn't makes sense, however the set bonus is the one that's useful

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yeah you got it then

and i encourage you to see these effects for yourself whenever we recommend anything

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@wicked cargo pinging so you don't miss my reply to you

Nvm i forgot you did reply and QT answered you. Sorry lol

https://i.imgur.com/aIO6VIm.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Vvygnx3ck

Adding on to what QT told you earlier, this is an old video but you can see here that supports are usually pretty similar in performance as long as they match the ring type. So even if a sligthly better support happens in badum's place badum as a support is probably still solid at that role.

[wraith oasis]

Looking at vbm kit, basically her rotation should be like qte > weapon attack > ult whenever possible. Am I wrong? She's basically a debuffer

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this is very off

VBm honestly is one of the more complicated valks and can be pretty tough to explain but let's talk about her

first let's start with her skills

let's start with the passive section

https://i.imgur.com/nnom4La.png

so already you can see this is a buff and not a debuff. She can get this buff in numerous ways

• consuming her special attack meter (basically using weapon active)
• qte (but you actually won't turn this on. We can talk about that later)
  and this buff can stack up to 3 times

but also

in the ultimate section there is this: https://i.imgur.com/kPtaZ4m.png

in the astral ring section there is this: https://i.imgur.com/jee8gwT.png

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Do I have a chance also is maxing all three stigs good?

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if your account is new, you can prob get enough before the weapon banner leaves. Check the crystal faq i sent you earlier

[lime turret]

It's not it's lvl 81 now hshshs

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get what you can

for stigmata you do want to max them eventually except maybe the M piece

!faq coin

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Saving Coins

I'm here to help, Captain!

To save coins, upgrade your (M) Stigma to 5-star, and leave it unlevelled at Lv. 1/50!
Why? Because there is no damage loss doing so!
(See image below)

You'll save a chunk of coins and twin soul crystals, which can be used for upgrading other equipment!

NOTE: This does not apply to all (M) Stigmata, [click here](#👶beginner-help message) for a more detailed explanation!

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you can fully upgrade the m piece but then not do the final levels for it

just to save on coins/level materials

[shell basin]

You have 2.5 weeks, call it 4500 from abyss and ER and dailies, plus events and probably a lot of one time sources left. If you lock in it should be possible but might be tight

Makes sure to keep up with all your limited time sources and crank out some of the one time ones

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@wraith oasis anyway to summarize vbm coralie can buff via

• using weapon active to consume special attack meter
• qte (we don't use this)
• ult (we only really use this at the start of the fight, more on that later)
• entering stellar outburst (this is only for astral ring. for an HoT team you won't have this)

once you achieve this buff you'll see it as an icon above your hp meter.

So that covers the let it burn buff. But there's more

https://i.imgur.com/llJ9KpL.png

[lime turret]

Tyyyyyy so much I appreciate the help

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this is a debuff on enemies. Trigger it by:

• aerial basic attack or weapon > ground weapon finisher (serious hammering)
• hitting the enemy with the ultimate (usually we don't do this)

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• entering stellar outburst applies the debuff too

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so that's the main two things from her kit.

• let it burn (buff)
• serious hammering (debuff)

however you have her stigmata too so there's more effects to see there

for most astral ring valkyries, start with the 3pc effects first
https://i.imgur.com/HPVNYZM.png

in this case we can see there's an [eternal dream] effect (the words in the name are meaningless. Just know the name and all the effects it's related to)

it's triggered from

• weapon active (the first time gives you 15 seconds, but doing it again gives you 30 seconds)
  -# - what the game doesn't tell you is that there's a slight cooldown. So you can't just mash 2x WA to get 30s. You need to wait a bit.
• or from starting outburst

https://i.imgur.com/0ZDbdfY.png
https://i.imgur.com/84HiuoL.png
Eternal dream is related to the M and B stigmata effects for team buffs. For HoT we only care about M piece

ok last part for now. Here is the 2pc effect
https://i.imgur.com/K3Ha31U.png

there's another debuff here from

• hitting with ultimate/burst mode (only specific valks have this. VBm does not so we can ignore burst mode here)
• entering outburst

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so putting all this together we have

• let it burn buff
• serious hammering debuff
• eternal dream buffs
• 2pc stigmata debuff

there's other effects too but they're more passive and not really something you can take action to trigger, or just not team related

VBm's ultimate despite its benefits, takes alot of time to cast and usually ends up NOT being worth using midfight. People mostly use it at the start of the fight when the timer isn't counting down yet just to get 3 ARI and full 3 stack buffs

and VBm's QTE is unnecessary for alot of these and just waste time so we turn it off

this is bad quality video but it's what i have handy to show you all this put together https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogurzBPHkhI

• weapon 2x before boss spawns
  • triggers 15s eternal dream
  • 2 stacks of let it burn buff
• jump > air basic
  • hits enemies and restore one special attack meter
• weapon finisher
  • triggers and refresh 30s of eternal dream
  • consumes the meter we just gained for 3 stacks of let it burn buff
  • applies serious hammering debuff

Edit: this misses out on 2pc stigmata effect but again it's arguably not worth getting it (situationally it might be viable though)

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@wraith oasis sorry that was an incredibly long explanation but hopefully this demonstrates to you where these effects come from or how they come together

thankfully most other valks are not as complicated

[wraith oasis]

So her rotation for her is 2x weapon attack, jump, basic (3 special bar) spam weapon attack until all special bar is gone, switch to dps?

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well no that's only the way you start

so for 3 stack let it burn buff, if it didn't expire yet, triggering it again will refresh it while keeping it at 3 stacks

[iron kernel]

is ME, ta, vbm a decent comp

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so later rotations you can skip the 2x WA at the start

[wraith oasis]

From what I use in the trial story part 2 with sena & vbs is just. Spam wa, ba 2x, wa 2x, qte vbm, spam wa until all bars gone (5x), qte to vbs, rapid fire, 30% blast, qte sena, repeat. Use ult whenever possible

Oh, i start with sena btw

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It's decent if you're new. You can consider dropping TA for someone else like VBs too perhaps.

VBs doesn't entirely make sense either but at least she can give astral ring energy and has long lightning specific support effects too. No need to rank her too high though. She doesn't offer much use for long as you play the game more

if you have any harmonized shadow star valks then use those above all else but i assume you don't

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i think you should review what sort of effects are happening from each of your actions

what i said earlier still applies to VBm the same way in this different team

the only different thing i didn't mention so far is if you enter outburst and need VBm last to detonate marks from sena and helia. That's when you can spam WA until all meter is gone.

!faq world star

[small willow]

Astral Ring Specialization - World Star

Allow me to explain, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see how the World Star Specialization works!

During Stellar Outburst, the "World Star" Astral Ring Specialization consists of creating "Resonance Marks" that later gets detonated multiple times (or even completely devoured) to deal great damage. The tag/attribute that matches with this ring type is "Domain Resonance".

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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i'm not sure what starting with sena means. Sena should be the leader (which also means dps for astral ring teams), but you don't want to make her attack first. You want to maximize the dps' damage so you swap and set up support effects first.

[wraith oasis]

Ah yes, i do mean it that way, she's the lead, but i also start with her. Classic mistake i guess. Even in zzz i also like that, should've started the fight with supports first

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just to make sure, you still want to keep her as leader though (for leader effects and ring type effects)

you just need to swap off of her to someone else when the fight begins

[wraith oasis]

Oh yes, different from zzz, honkai do have leader effects etc. Which is why i start with sena. But I tend to start the fight with her too, need to get used to it i guess.

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tbh i really rather you not relate this to other hoyo games

there are similarities but hi3 is much older

and alot of times people trying to relate them end up assuming preemptively into a costly mistake

if you have to relate them, just avoid forming conclusions. Use the relations as just a way to think about what to learn and investigate next

[iron kernel]

whats the best for me support

[iron kernel]

idk what that is so i guess i dont

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!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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read this first. After reading the central passage > go to the last link to see general team building

then you can go to wheel of destiny for rita specifically

what's absolutely best depends on the scenario. There's no real general best for all situations.

But as long as you have the matching tag to Rita's ring type, for most purposes it'll be good enough

[wraith oasis]

Oh, for my next divine key weapon, should I get one for HoH?

Wait, thats not available on reserve works 🫠

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divine keys are obtained in different ways depending on what they are

most of the time when people talk about a next divine key they are referring to reserve works or realm of battles

however hohe's dkey is gacha only currently

i do not recommend catching up on hohe's dkey with gacha

#👶beginner-help message

[lone crater]

they were first gacha only then later added to reserve works. dont expect all divine keys to be reserve work ig

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for reserve works my actual meta recommendation is to just wait and let your crystallums accumulate. You never know if you can get that dkey in some other way or if there's anything else you need your crystallums for. Each dkey is only +10 atk so you're not going to notice a major difference. Only rush for them if you have a specific case where you're barely not reaching your desired score.

for you though, you're not high meta focused so i think you can just focus more on anything else that may interest you (HoO???)

anyway i need to leave now. If you still have questions feel free to ping me and continue asking. I can get to it later or someone else can answer

[wraith oasis]

Hmm, yea, maybe I'll save for HoO, but also I'm still using the mentality of using type counters for enemies. Should I be building other valk with other type counter perhaps?

[lone crater]

type counter is part of it

u also look at weather buff

[wraith oasis]

Oh yea, that too. So basically i have to have a dps for each type, and each element if possible

[maiden garden]

Relevant valks for each type and element would take years to collect

Especially since older valks will see even less use as time goes on

[lone crater]

in grand sense to accommodate all the possibilities yea, in practice, u don't because they are more likely to release weathers the shilled valk is used on, and also for f2p u can't get all newest units as well, so there will be cycles where you just sleep basically

some weathers also just dont run or rarely run

so you're fine to not have coverage for everything

and depending on which tier you're in

sometimes it won't matter not having the best for the cycle

[wraith oasis]

Yes, but the best bet is to get the type counters, right? As without those i really losing my dmg

[lone crater]

no

best bet is just pull newest release

because upcoming cycles are more likely to shill that new release

[wraith oasis]

Of course whenever possible I'll do it, but right now I guess I'll just focus on what I have, and if I got another s valk from dorm, well, I'll ask here if she's worth the investment

[lone crater]

dorm valks are useless basically

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coverage will happen naturally from keeping up with most new releases

it's not something to try to go out of your way to catch up on.

Any farmable valk at their best potential is highly out of date now.

Any rerun is paying full crystals for only a remaining portion of their time left in the meta.

It's common for new players to try to focus on coverage too early and build teams for every type/damage (this is also an easy way for them to run out of resources to build more important stuff)

but you need to look at the actual numbers

type advantage is only like 30% of a damage boost

what's the point of getting this amount on an incredibly weak and out of date valk when some gacha valk will still end up better even with type disadvantage?

rarely we may have scenarios where we still use something even if there's type disadvantage because there's other reasons to still use it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqbsmFcVrv4&list=PL7PX42EmQabZe5tBBpJjHIXgdmNxt3ZHz&index=9 (this video is very old. Do not copy it nowadays)

anyway i'm not saying you should forget about type counter entirely. It's still important, but it's only one part of the whole picture and you need to consider it along with everything else (weather effect, how strong your team already is, boss gimmicks, etc). @wraith oasis

[wraith oasis]

I see, is it because astral ring system can overcome those weakness by brute force?

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that can be a possible reason but not the only reason

don't expect astral ring to solve everything alone

[lone crater]

generally shilled valks means the upcoming cycles would also be type countered by the said valk alongside favourable weather

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in the past we had scenarios where there are anti astral ring (although i think they don't really happen anymore)

but also nowadays everything is astral ring, so it just makes you even with everyone else

[lone crater]

its valk cause cycle, not cycle cause valk

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yeah so let's take a look at the current valk of this patch. This new release is rita: a lightning imaginary dps with wheel of destiny ring type

now let's look at the abyss cycles so far this patch https://i.imgur.com/7v5mac4.png

you can see there's imaginary weather on the first two weeks on the left (also the bosses are imaginary too)

the right side of weeks four and five are also imaginary

starless is incorrect here. It's supposed to be shadow star weather (matches with her wheel ring type)

[lyric anvil]

Marut's weather was also incorrect technically, it was lightning

[spiral badge]

man what is happening with this site lol

jan 23 is lightning andrius, a bio type enemy that is mainly countered by vita dps (mech), but rita is type neutral and can prob score decently in lower abyss.

[wraith oasis]

So even if i get a s rank valk from dorm supply, most of the time it's not worth investing unless it's my favorite chara

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you can probably use rita decently against symphony benares too (week 5) if you have nothing else better to use

symphony just means it wants all three elementals on the team.

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dorm is only out of date valkyries. Most are farmable in war treasury now too

anyway you can see from the above that rita covers a large amount of those abyss cycles, and can still be maybe decent in some of them too

hi3 isn't a balanced game. They want to sell the newest things to you so the newest releases is what will get alot of emphasis for that patch

[lone crater]

stuff in dorm valks are so outdated that they are outscored by newest valks in a weather against them, its like piper vs miyabi

[spiral badge]

S rank is just a rarity label. They didn't add anything to separate very very old S ranks from very very new S ranks

but the power gap between them is immense

[wraith oasis]

Hmm, add that to the competitive nature of abyss.

Well, I'm pretty chill, so at least clearing 1 battle for the abyss is enough for me lol

[spiral badge]

yeah at the end of the day meta recommendations are only for the meta. It's only emphasized to get more crystals

[lone crater]

well u wanna hit rl cuz its pretty good crystals for the effort needed

[spiral badge]

but it's fine to not be 100% meta

[lone crater]

yeag

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for now try to explore the game and figure out what your own personal preference of balance is

when asking for non meta help, be sure to make it clear or else people will default to meta advice

[wraith oasis]

Will do, thank you

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be sure to check out pins for other general info if you haven't yet. If you have any other questions feel free to continue asking as always

but yeah glad to help

[restive jewel]

so uh,bad news,i have to make 3 teams now,and idk what teams should i do for this one

here’s all of my valks

[shell basin]

Rita on Marut

and uh, phys feat senti and SI on wardens, vbm on alien guard maybe?

you could do cosmic expression phys on alien guard but A rank is rough

maybe still better

[primal slate]

they probably can't 0s rn anyway so yeah

[shell basin]

this is masters

not exalted

it's just about best total score

anyway make sure to try the team on trial before you commit, if a tea cant actually clear SS you can move the valuable members to one of the teams that can and accept the L for being stuck at S

it's gonna be rough tho, don't expect to score very well

[restive jewel]

alright i’ll try my best,thanks a lot

[wind stag]

chapter one is all of the story missions included in the "the moons origin and finality"?

[serene crystal]

Part 1 is all of the mission there
Chapter 1 is the first mission under When Dreams Began

[wind stag]

and to get the 19000 xtals i have to complete everything right? even the mini missions like these

[shell basin]

those are included in the total but it's not a lump sum reward

it's just if you add up all the small rewards it gets 19k

there's no 100% completion bonus, it's just 10% better than 90% completion

[serene crystal]

Also it is 19 k + and not just 19K so there is more then 19K

[wind stag]

ooohhh, so i still can get a lot of xtals then, thank you for explaining

[tribal temple]

Which teamp comp should fit my ely for now?

[shell basin]

HLE VBM RC

A little bricked with no wep too but still your best team option

[tribal temple]

VBM and RC?

[shell basin]

Valkyrie Blastmetal and Reverist Calico

Abbreviations are in pins

[tribal temple]

I see... valks like herrscher of truth, herrscher of sentience, and prometheus are just not good to use today hm?

or are just meant for another team comp in my roster?

[shell basin]

Herrscher of Truth, if you had her at S2 or SS with full gear, still has one good team and a handful of usable teams

But at S0 gearless doesn’t have any niche and doesn’t support Elysia even with gear (HotR supports only Fire and Lightning)

Senti is worse off than HotR, but again if you had her at SSS with dkey and RS she could cope some bosses

TA is just dead, RS powercrept her, she’s used as a cope support because she’s free not because there aren’t stronger options

Neither HoTR or Senti are worth investing into more than causally because it would cost too much to get their gear and teams and even if you had them you wouldn’t get that much mileage out of it

It’s a lot of resources to just end up barely usable

[tribal temple]

where can I find abbreviations?

[tribal temple]

which von neumann stigmata to go for first for VBM?

[tribal temple]

yo?

[shell basin]

VBM wants Tsiolkovsky

Not Von Neumann

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neumann is for VBstorm (helia)

[shell basin]

And the M stig is the most important Tsiolkovsky but really you want the 3pc bonus

And only if you can afford the prisms

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before crafting any of these, assess your current source prism count. If you plan to pick up a new valk in the nearer future, try to stay above 21 (the amount you need to fully upgrade a whole set)

!faq prism

[small willow]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[shell basin]

Well, strictly unless they plan ||to pull dkey|| they only need to stay above 14 for next patch

[spiral badge]

i was going to bring that up later actually

but for now i'm trying to cover general foundations first

[shell basin]

Yh makes sense I’ll let you cook

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(i don't think that needs spoiler tagging either btw. Prism tickets aren't technically actually new)

[tribal temple]

which stigmata set for coralie?

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anyway i guess i'll explain it now. Next patch we are looking at a ||release of two sets for two separate valks.|| Typically, from these patches we do expect them to give us prism tickets which lets you use it on any prism stigmata to max upgrade it from its current state (ideally from lv 1 ofc)

[spiral badge]

Coralie is VBmetal, and the answer to your question is here

anyway hang on before you do that...

[tribal temple]

which stigmata for.. VBs?

[spiral badge]

again prisms aren't easy to get so do be conservative with them if you don't actually need them

if you end up crafting something, priortize crafting the whole set first (2 per piece, 6 total) to access the 3pc effect. 3pc for newer astral ring valks are generally very important

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.

[tribal temple]

Valkyrie BOltstrom

ok

hmm... should I get "Ta-da! the blow" for helia? she doesn't have any weapons and is basically weaponless(just using her default crossbow pair)

[shell basin]

It’s not very valuable but if you get it and don’t level it past 35 you can break it down into everything you spent

So there’s not a big cost

If you find yourself using her a lot you can consider it

Like say in Elysian realm

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also keep in mind generally speaking, crafting stigmata from foundry is a last resort (third line)

normally you gain stigmata first line from rolling in the valkyrie's banner on your way to getting their weapon (the only gacha exclusive thing there)

second line after that for each patch you also get a stigmata selector box for the new valk

in the case of vbm and vbs however they have no gacha banner so don't worry about the priority above for them

however, VBmetal (coralie) is alot more useful than VBstorm (helia) so prioritize VBm at least

I would even go as far to say i wouldn't bother spending prisms on VBs

from your current roster, i see no reason to invest in VBstorm actually (unless you want to use her in Elysian Realm as QT said). Just leave her alone for now

[tribal temple]

Hmm.. I got coralie her best stigmata set. Sooo.. that should be way better than investing on helia no?

Only got helia a weapon and that's it

[shell basin]

Yep. Coralie is the best free support. I have been playing for about 5 patches now and I still use her occasionally

[spiral badge]

yeah focus on VBm first primarily. Also try to use her battlesuit name when addressing her because we have multiple forms of coralie at this point

but from context i figure you're not talking about FDD

[tribal temple]

VBm mhm

[spiral badge]

do you understand how these valkyries fit into teams? Or are you just focusing on them just because they have astral ring?

I wouldn't really consider VBs very much unless you have an astral ring lightning or world star damage dealer and no other more matching supports to use for it.

but the only thing i see on your account of interest is the new elysia who is an ice dps with grail ring type.

hence why QT gave you the suggestion earlier of using VBm cora and RC pardofelis to support HLE elysia

[tribal temple]

k

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you can search "faq ring" in this channel for the bot faq that goes into more detail about astral ring and how team building with it works.

but ok i'll leave it at that then

[tribal temple]

hmmm... ideally.. which team would be the best for HLE?

regardless of my current roster

[spiral badge]

there's not going to be a single team to focus on. Endgame in HI3 expands to many scenarios that may slightly favor different support options over another

but for general intents and purposes, finding suitable teammates to HLE's ring type will be largely sufficient. This is just going back to the astral ring faq

well ok since it's more relevant now, i'll bring it up

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a Character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. When activated:

• the leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle.
• the team will benefit from effects (e.g., Stigmata buffs) that require Astral Ring.
• the team will gain access to Stellar Outburst, a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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this is alot, but it's the basis of modern team building now. It's best for you to understand this very well

it's not intuitive but once you understand the basic idea it's actually very simple

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Anyway for your specific question:

• HLE is grail ring type
• When a grail ring type is leader, the team will revolve around spending large amounts of sp to cast ultimate attacks often
• Grail as a leader dps matches with a specific tag called symbiosis
• so you want supports that have this symbiosis tag
• supports with symbiosis will restore a large amount of sp during stellar outburst, allowing the leader to focus more on casting ults to deal more damage overall

i'm not saying all symbiosis supports are equal, and if you want we can discuss them more. However again they will be pretty close in performance

for meta f2p/light spending efficiency, you're not encouraged to pull any reruns of symbiosis supports. Focus more on new releases in the future that has symbiosis instead.

please spoiler tag that name. it's not officially announced in global servers yet

|| on both sides for future reference

[tribal temple]

|| Ok ||

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but yes ||the upcoming new valk will have the symbiosis tag||
it's still in beta so i can't comment on how it compares to others

[slim blaze]

what are my options if no rita?

trio? RS?

[spiral badge]

shadow star weather so maybe you can try some WoD dps too

although if this is nirv, you're prob cooked if no rita

[slim blaze]

oh

slaccinator mode then

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anyway i want to further say if you're just focused on a specific scenario, then we can tell what the previous best on that is, but again the long term value of pulling a rerun isn't worth it

FDD would be a very common best support for HLE but i wouldn't recommend chasing after her with crystals at this point. We will get 20 free valk pulls next patch during carnival for her though but don't count on this

[slim blaze]

oh right annniv

surely 40k is enough

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40k is what i tell people for one valk with her weap lol

[slim blaze]

||songkop worth??||

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that depends on your account and what you're looking for

might be too early to be considering this tbh

[slim blaze]

i mean

[spiral badge]

but loosely speaking yes i would lean towards songque op from spending event if you're not at SS yet

[slim blaze]

oh

i have songkop at 0S

[spiral badge]

S isn't significant but maybe this will be a precedent towards other ways to get her too to eventually reach SS

[slim blaze]

0S meaning i dont own her