👶beginner-help

[merry oak]

agreed

[paper ore]

so still craft song her stig?

i dont think her stig has any support

[rugged compass]

If u have spare prisms that dont screw up future valk (specifically the new one of that patch) pulls and their sig stigs being leveled

But dont expect songque to dps

I would wait untill you might actually need to grab songque stuff

Bc rn vita dps and rita dps with hofi/coralie could still be servicable

[paper ore]

i dont think so, i have so many dupes from pitied rita weapon banner, but i ony has 1 character worth prism

[rugged compass]

Then I wouldn't

Just save ur prisms and dont touch songque

[paper ore]

yeah 32k xtal is too big to spend for one patch, i saved 45k before retiring so i can stay relevant but, i hope next patch wasnt huge deal

[quick birch]

Her 3pc provides most of her support buffs
The 3pc is something along the lines of hitting an enemy with x action to gain x effect and then that effect provides buffs to your whole team. That's the case for most p2 characters

But yeah if you don't have the prisms you're probably better off just not crafting it for now and brute forcing with other means

[paper ore]

I have prism, but i would rather not rushing things

I still some weeks before i hit agony anyway

I dont think sonque is worth pulling her weapon either when there is possibly dkey like hofi can exist to justify pulling old valk weapon

[ancient needle]

Songque's weap won't rerun atp anyway

[quick birch]

Yeah getting sonque's weapon at this point isn't really recommended by any means. Her DPS scenarios are basically non existent and she works as a support without her weapon.
It doesn't really have anything to do with the possibility of another dkey though

[paper ore]

it does for me as returnee

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye, forgot about that

[paper ore]

if you mean for set bonus only (without leveling) then i can convert rita stig dupes and it will has enough

[quick birch]

Yeah the main thing you need is the set bonus, if you have something along the lines of like 20 prism rn I would consider it, if you keep playing actively you should still have enough for the 8.7 valks stigmatas by the time she arrives

[paper ore]

well i have 25, with salvage i have additional 6

[quick birch]

Yeah that's a solid amount

[merry oak]

does anyone know the location of all 3 bosses in elysium everlasting i cant find the last one

[quick birch]

Just crafting sonque's stigs and not leveling them sound totally fine

[shadow gyro]

this is late but did you try looking it up on YouTube?
i only remember one next to the maze in the open field

[copper garnet]

anything here worth getting?

[spiral badge]

!faq supply shop

[small willow]

Supply Shop

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Supply Shop purchase priority!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[unborn tide]

At what pull does soft pity start? Is getting a valk at 70th pull considered being before the pity?

[quick birch]

there's no offical soft pity in this game, data suggest that it starts at 76 pulls but it's fearly common to get really close to pity or even hit hard pity

for weapon banner there isn't even a statistical soft pity

[languid maple]

is there a way to lvl up elysian realm characters without needing to level them on my acc

[storm lantern]

er maxes your character's skills and level

you can use everyone at level 1

[languid maple]

wait actually

ur lying

even in deep sequence

[storm lantern]

yeah

[languid maple]

how have i not known this

thank you so much 😭

is it rlly possible to clear deep sequence with a lvl 1 char, no stig or weapon tho...

[storm lantern]

stigs and weapons you still need leveled

[shadow gyro]

u do need a wp or stig
but u can put anything u have around

[languid maple]

yea i see

[shadow gyro]

just dont bother leveling skills or lvls

[languid maple]

yea thats what im doing

[shadow gyro]

yeah thats good enough

[languid maple]

is it possible for me to beat er with sushang without any of her stigmata

i have her weapon and just put thelema's stigs on her

[shell basin]

Do you mean, finality difficulty? And which shushang, JK?

[languid maple]

yes

and im just trying to get her to lvl 15 for the crystals...

do any of yall know a optimal way to do it for old chars

[shell basin]

oh, you can just do a lite mode of difficulty 1 to the first boss, end, repeat

takes about 5 minutes total to max someone

[languid maple]

wait thats insane

[shell basin]

anyone can do it even with no gear

[languid maple]

ok ill try it once it resets

i should get LITE mode this week

[shell basin]

note that you have to kill the boss, wait for it to say progress saved, and then exit and finalize to get rewards (tho you can do it before you have to pick the signet if you're quick)

[merry oak]

I did but couldn’t find shit

[novel path]

did u progress the main story quest? i think i did the last one on the amusement park at the top of everything

but i think i only unlocked it after completing some of the last quests

u got one on the maze , one on the second zone where u got that center plaza and it was locked behind the big puzzle doors

and i think the last one on the amusement park

[merry oak]

I’ve done everything there except the bosses

I can’t find the last one

[novel path]

which one of the bosses didnt u did

i gave u the locations

go check one by one

[merry oak]

I ran around the whole map and I can’t find it

[novel path]

which one cant u find just go to the locations one by one

u killed the maze one? killed the fire wolve on the second zone? or the last one on the amusement park?

[merry oak]

I killed jizo mismata I don’t think I killed the fire guy but I can’t find the way to him

[novel path]

its in the place with the red circle

behind a big puzzle wall

[merry oak]

I’ll go there have look Ty

[copper garnet]

can you theoretically get enough shard to unloack a valk with the suply shop or do u only use them to get dupes

[serene crystal]

stamps can't unlock valks and can only be used to upgrade existing ones

[copper garnet]

Ohhhh i didnt know that....

[serene crystal]

Check the tooltip

[copper garnet]

good thing i havent spend mine

[eternal spindle]

is it better to run rita hle jds or hle vbm rc for this abyss cycle?

[shell basin]

both sound pretty cooked but I'd prolly do HLE VBM RC, hle dps is getting both type and weather adv here

[eternal spindle]

alright then
the moment i thought i escaped cope hle team lol

[shell basin]

it's probably not going to be an enormous difference, hle can still pop the breakpoints for Rita which is a huge advantage over no SD cope

[eternal spindle]

prolly not enough to retain right?

[shell basin]

oh if you're hitting 456 that sounds liek a rotation issue but Rita should do way more than 456

So you could record and I could try and help or you could just try rita dps if you know how to pilot that team on sd content

could maybe also try jds dps if they're fully built but jds dps in WOD is sad

[eternal spindle]

oh no that's hle cope

[shell basin]

HLE cope should also do way more than 456

but that's what I meant, it sounds like a rotation issue for your current team but the good news is rita can do way better than that

[eternal spindle]

https://youtu.be/BhDEGllHhTU

[shell basin]

Don’t waste your ult like that

If you had kept your ult you could have ended part 1 SO with a finisher

And restored part of your ARI

[storm lantern]

have u tried dpsing with hle in arc

[shell basin]

Also you need to deflect the crystal chunks

Instead of just letting them go past

[eternal spindle]

yea i dont know the mechanics

[eternal spindle]

how do i end it early?

[shell basin]

You deflect them with attacks

[shell basin]

Ult -> wa in SO ends it early

[eternal spindle]

ah i can just ult early

[serene crystal]

For a 2 SO rotation you are pressing SO too late in both phases which makes you waste a lot of damage and time. It seems like you are trying to maximise total damage when you should try to get enough damage to kill.

In both phases around half of your SO time is still left when it dies.

[shell basin]

You can do it as long as you don’t waste your ult in ARC for no reason and put it on cooldown

And yeah the random delays on stellar outburst don’t help either

I would guess at least 670 is possible, maybe more

Also I would try and have WA land just as it spawns so you can instantly break with ult

[storm lantern]

how does rita apply buffs

[shell basin]

So you’re not wasting your time with basics

[shell basin]

When enemies are hit by Weapon Skill or QTE, entering Stellar Surplus, entering Stellar Outburst, or entering the battle as the leader, all team members gain A Lady's Dignity for 25s. Retriggering refreshes the duration.

[storm lantern]

lmao

yeah i'd start by dodging with rita do jds qte then dps on hle until u get ring, atp i'm not sure whether ringing with rita or using it to refresh buffs and then not swapping back to her is better but i'd guess better to play her during it

[shell basin]

Yeah that could also work

[eternal spindle]

so what exactly do i do?

[shell basin]

• Try doing HLE DPS in ARC (ie, Rita dodge at start -> Sonque QTE -> HLE QTE, and then do a dps cycle with HLE)
• When your astral ring is fully charged, go out to Rita and activate it.
• When the first phase is almost dead, do ult -> WA to end SO early
• (Optional) Farm some ARI by dodging pink blades in transition
• Deflect the brown crystals with attacks (any kind will work) to activate a door
• Go through the door on the left
• Reup Buffs (Rita Wa and JDS QTE), and then do ARC dps with HLE until astral ring is ready
• go back to Rita as soon as it’s ready and burst down the boss

If you’re feeling up for it there’s some advanced techs you can do in the transition like reuping buffs in the crystals you’re deflecting or holding HLE ult as you go through the door (requires keyboard and mouse) but these are marginal bonuses and less important than having an otherwise solid run

[eternal spindle]

oh choosing the door matter?
ive basically just been doing this, best ive gotten is 612

[shell basin]

It does if you deflect the crystals

If you don’t I think it doesn’t

One of the doors gives SD shards, one of them gives total damage, and I don’t remember the third one but nobody ever picks it (maybe SP?)

Usually you want the shards

The text box in transition has all the details if you read it

[eternal spindle]

apparently rita dodging at the start doesnt trigger jds's qte hmm

[shell basin]

Could try ulting then if you have the sp, that ought to do it reliably

I think it’s a timing issue and dodge will work if you time it right tho

But it’s only a difference of a handful of points

[eternal spindle]

yea i dont think im gaining any trophy this reset
the question is will i even retain

[shell basin]

I can’t give more advice without seeing the run but retaining should definitely be possible

[eternal spindle]

i mean even if i get 670 points i cant really go anywhere more (and no7 have the basically best team like the rest of the ones above me they are just not bothered to optimize yet)

[shell basin]

Yeah but if No7 knew how to play they wouldn’t be in Ago3

So you can skill diff them

[eternal spindle]

ive spent a bit too much time on it already today, if i cant retain then ill try tmr
i dont have any hope to get any trophy this reset (is it normal to shill hle right when ME drops like this?)

[shell basin]

Yeah she’s last patch Valkyrie so she’s still gonna get a fair amount of shill

Dps shill doesn’t die off instantly

[serene crystal]

The normal thing is probably around 3-4 bosses for last patch valk

[storm lantern]

oh yeah rita eva doesn't have tf

very weird

[lone crater]

indeed that is locked behind s2 as on demand tf

[lyric anvil]

[lilac reef]

HoH (SS1) or HoRb (S0) stamps from this shop?

[lone crater]

horb stamps more relevancy no

[amber finch]

yeah but like he cant even ss her, i'd still try to get atleast s2 horb first, dom sk is having a rerun soon

[lilac reef]

How many stamps needed for SS?

[amber finch]

10 or 100 frags

[lilac reef]

ooof ok. I'll try to get her ranks then and hopefully she'll still be somewhat relevant by the time I get S2 lol

[amber finch]

below ss horb doesnt really have anything that's really helpful for her dps form

it's literally just atk boosts

[lilac reef]

I see. Well I have a long way to go

[sweet flax]

if horb stamps appear in supply shop that's an option to get ss

id suggest keeping an eye for changes in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion

[gusty kayak]

i very intensely underestimated how hard this game would try fuck me over the moment i got into red lotus so wtf do i run for this abyss 😭

maybe this should be in gameplay

uhm

[serene crystal]

HLE, PS, HoFi/VBm

It is fine here

[gusty kayak]

ty

[serene crystal]

Important thing to remember for this boss is try to get HLE ULT to happen as fast as possible as it breaks the SD bar and all damage beforehand is wasted

[gusty kayak]

understood

[wind stag]

One question im currently lvl 80, if i complete the abyss do i get promoted to something harder or do i stay in red lotus?

[serene crystal]

Before breakthrough the highest rank you can obtain is redlotus

[wind stag]

Oh i see, ty

[solar shell]

Hi I just came back from like a 2 year hiatus and I know nothing

All I know is that I'm level 81 with HoF

[upbeat egret]

U might as well start a new account since all the valks u probably have are outdated

[sweet flax]

Hey, while asaphie's recommendation remains solid, some players may not want to create a new account. Do let us know first what your goals are, if you are not as competitive there is no need to start fresh!
Hopefully your return to the game goes smoothly

[solar shell]

💔

This all I got

Am I cooked

[spiral badge]

Can you tell us more what kind of objectives you have for coming back to the game?

[solar shell]

I wana get some weapons bc allegedly that's the crutch of all characters

and then get new characters

[spiral badge]

Default recommendations will have a more meta focus where you want to focus more on new releases, and compete well against other players. This is how you get more crystals from abyss which are a significant part of your income.

However combined crystal income even when you're doing well in the meta is limited. Keeping up with it means avoiding reruns, higher ranks (dupes), or gacha astral ops.

It's true that signature weapons are generally a significant portion of a valk's performance. However be mindful that your stuff are as you said 2 years old by now. I do not recommend trying to catch up on weapons for stuff you already have. Anything even at their highest potential is out of date for meta competitive purposes as Asaphie said

however meta isn't everything, and if you still want to focus on older characters you like, then we can find a balance or move away from meta entirely

[solar shell]

ok

my HoR is ss rank

I think that's the only thing going for me

[spiral badge]

HoReason at this point is farmable from war treasury shop. Even her signature weapon and stigmatas are accessible from Reserve Works and Foundry respectively.

But again at her highest potential she is out of date. We can still consider her as a side project if you like her alot

[lone crater]

even if hor sss with 4/4 jk kira won't change anything

[spiral badge]

overall if that's all you're interested in, then you may consider starting over on a new account but it's also ok if you want to stick with your current one. It'll just take more time to accumulate more crystals to start affording newer things

otherwise if you're not attached, restarting is recommended for meta purposes. Restarting resets crystals from permanently cleared content and gives you a beginner event for a bit more as well so you can think of it as a jump start so to speak

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

Do review your account again though. There are all sorts of reasons of why people may not want to restart and that's ok

• collectables that aren't obtainable anymore (asuka valk especially. Also frames and emblems)
• login days/account creation date
• not wanting to redo story or general progress
• not wanting to have a separate hoyoverse account just for honkai 3rd (esp if there are other games on this account)
  • you may consider just switching to EU servers if you haven't touched it yet on your account (different servers mainly change the playerbase you compete against but NA and EU are similar overall. Ping isn't really a concern since there's not much multiplayer aside from events that aren't important). Also note different times of the day for reset/banner changes/events/etc

and if you choose to restart you may want consider rerolling on top of that too, to save some cost on bruteforcing luck on your first gacha valk (new rita this patch)

[spiral badge]

The relatively most difficult thing to reobtain here would be Aponia (the nun right after HoR). She is currently only available in reserve works bp shop which takes a long time to accumulate currency for (costs 24 orbs but you only get 5 orbs per patch as f2p. Patches are generally 9 weeks long now too)

However aponia at this point is completely out of date and perhaps she'll become more available with other methods as time goes on.
https://i.imgur.com/951wC7U.png

[sweet flax]

Hi sairaan

[solar shell]

Oof

what if I just make a second account and work on both at the same time

[spiral badge]

I do encourage you to keep your original account's credentials handy. Anything beyond that is more up to you. Maintaining two accounts might be too much of a burden for most people

[solar shell]

Eh might as well

[spiral badge]

On the note of multi accounts, it's fine to have them. But beware any kind of account sharing/trading etc is forbidden in this official server as per rule 7 #rules-en

[solar shell]

yup got that

[spiral badge]

i did edit this to elaborate on changing to Eu as an option if you want to keep the same hoyoverse account

if you do opt for this, make sure you have starter manual (beginner event). Alot of people accidentally tap the change server button, create the new account (happens on the elevator screen) unknowningly, and lose that starter event

otherwise if you're making a new hoyoverse account, you can still do it with the same email. Check pins in this channel on how to "salt" your email for this

[solar shell]

ok

[spiral badge]

Given your 2 year break you can basically treat yourself as new. There's been alot of changes to the game. Major topics i would like to cover would include

• gacha changes
• how team building has changed with astral ring
• early game teams
• what to focus on for crystals (second link in the earlier crystal faq)
• what is the overall meta goal

[solar shell]

ok

Last time I was playing I think

Yoyo girl released

[spiral badge]

I know this is alot all of the sudden, so lmk if you need a break. Feel free to interrupt if there's any questions too

yoyo girl is senadina. She was released in 7.3 at the start of the big overhaul to the game where astral ring was implemented (part 2 story)

So maybe you have some ideas of the new changes already but just in case

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

mainly check out the equipment section. Tldr only aim for one copy of valk (s0 rank) and her weapon (synergy 1) together.

Stigmata are no longer gacha only. You still get them along the way but if you don't get them all, there are other ways to get the ones you're missing. Once you get weapon, you can stop on equipment banner

Signature weapons are the only thing that's gacha only. Loosely speaking they are important for

• 30-40% of the valk's personal damage
• they might have important utility to let the valk function smoothly

the worst case scenario cost for a valk is 90, and for weapon is 60. We generally get a slight discount per patch too. overall expect to spend roughly ~40k crystals per valk with her weapon.

[solar shell]

ok

[spiral badge]

this is kinda skipping around a bit but the overall goal is to accumulate crystals to safely afford new releases in full

again crystals are limited unless you're a whale. With max f2p income it's normal to need to skip a patch new release once in a while if you cannot safely afford them.

Reruns or other things are not as good mileage and return on your crystals spent (although if you really want to focus on something then we can discuss that)

getting any valk or weapon without the other will lead to too much of a drop in performance that it won't be too different from not having it at all (there can be some exceptions)

constantly focusing on new releases is recommended because abyss eventually becomes a place that cycles across many scenarios. So you'll want a still solid (s0 rank and weapon) but wide roster of many valks to form many teams to handle these scenarios

and newest releases generally have longevity

any questions so far? The next topic is a big one about how astral ring teambuilding

[solar shell]

i good

[spiral badge]

so team building has changed drastically from how it used to be

back in part 1 it was common to see 2 supports buffing 1 dps but the teams were focused on one particular damage element (e.g. an ice team with HoR ice dps and Kira+JK ice supports)

valkyrie roles were much more strict (you don't use HoR as support)

we still do generally see 1 dps and 2 supports. However every newer valk now can be a dps or a support depending on how they are placed in the team

and teams aren't revolving around specific damage types anymore. Instead every newer valk has a ring type and tags from the astral ring system

ring types are mainly important to determine what kind of dps and playstyle the valk has as a leader

tags are mainly important for how the valk can be used as a support

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

hm this isn't updated yet

ignore the paragraph in the middle

you can read this instead

Characters under the Astral Ring System will have one ring type (Specialization), and one or multiple tags (Attributes) that will determine how they can form teams. This system is only activated if a character with Astral Ring is set as the leader. The leader's ring type will decide the team's playstyle. When the Astral Ring system is activated, the team will benefit from effects specific to Astral Ring. The team will also gain access to Stellar Outburst, which is a high damage output state you can enter after charging enough energy (Astral Ring Intensity).

and then start with the bottom link to understand the process

we can discuss a few examples once you go through this too if you feel that can help

[solar shell]

i think i got it

[spiral badge]

hm that's kinda fast. This is pretty foundational as in all modern teams go by this system now. It's not intuitive but it's simple once you understand the idea of matching a ring type to a tag

i encourage you to make sure you gone through it but maybe you're already semi familiar from 7.3

the only thing i want to cover further is what budget teams you can build if you don't get an astral ring gacha valk right away on your new account

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[solar shell]

so when should i pull on this new account

[spiral badge]

immediately after tutorial but be wary of which banner you go for

starter banner and dorm banner are bad

focus on the new release of this patch (miss espionage Rita, or ME)
https://i.imgur.com/mlUKdVR.png
https://i.imgur.com/QvBaQCk.png

again no need for dupes. Just get the valk, and her weapon, and stop to save for the next new release you can afford

[solar shell]

okk

[spiral badge]

the patch just started so you should be able to afford it in time before the banner leaves

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

bringing this up again for your convenience. Look through it to see the many ways you can get crystals

second link are missables/time limited so maybe prioritize those

although if you're crunching for time, you may opt to prioritize skipping through main story and ignoring events

i guess that will be all for now. Hopefully that helps and wasn't too overwhelming. Do you have any questions?

[solar shell]

no im good

thank u

[spiral badge]

alright. again check out pins and don't hesitate to ask if anything comes up

welcome back to hi3~

[spiral badge]

quick edit for images

maybe keep a link to this discussion handy too in case you need to review anything

[solar shell]

okk

[dusty tartan]

Just making sure, I should level my Grips of Tai Xuan and other Divine Keys right?

oh wait, it takes level 81 and I haven't broken through yet

[spiral badge]

uh i'm a little confused about what you're saying. Are you thinking of PRI arming? Because going beyond level 50 on weapons that way does need breaking through

!faq pri arm

[small willow]

PRI-ARMs

I'm here to help, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for information on what a PRI-ARM weapon is and the sources of Torus and SC Metal!

Costs:

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

pri arm just refers to weapon upgrade. Some divine keys can be pri armed to be stronger weapons for actual combat use

but for what you're talking about (the divine key menu and their various buffs), i don't think it's necessary

[spiral badge]

in the dorm dkey menu, there are 4 nodes that have additional effects that you need to spend materials to unlock just as you are showing here

from left to right in the menu:

• binding
• corruption
• domination
• destruction

the effects to be unlocked from these are gated but you only need one weapon in each category to be maxed out

https://i.imgur.com/ZZLgWGT.png

you can see here this is the key of domination category. i have maxed out GTX glove for this category but not the other weapon (XY sword)

as long as you max out one of them, you'll gain access to all level of effects from it (the lv 10/10 on the right. still need to actually spend materials to unlock them though)

oh i'm blind. I just saw the captain level part of your image

huh i didn't know about this. interesting lol

[dusty tartan]

I just crafted Pledge of Sakura from the foundry so that I could activate the +lightning dmg Gene Limit for Miss Espionage

[spiral badge]

that's good

do i need to explain oath of judah on that note?

[dusty tartan]

I leveled it to 35 and was wondering if it was worth going to level 50, but I noticed the level 81 requirement too

[spiral badge]

anyway the point is, not every divine key needs to be maxed out

well it's oath or pledge that you need to max out. neither weapon really sees actual in battle use anymore

[dusty tartan]

so far my Gene Limit menu looks like

[spiral badge]

the buffs from the gene limit menu aren't much. Coins can run out so consider not making them active unless you really need to

at a high level it becomes standard to have them on and constantly pay the coin fee

but earlier on it might make no difference if you're lacking in other more major departments

but yeah keep at it is all i can really say for getting divine keys and leveling up the menu

I see you have burst mode buff in btw. Do you understand what burst mode means?

[dusty tartan]

I read through what you wrote and understand most of it except for this. Are you saying that I only need to level Pledge of Sakura (which I just crafted) and not Oath of Judah (I don't have)

[spiral badge]

Only a few modern valks have it at this point which is why i asked

[spiral badge]

Just one of the two

Just like what you saw in my gtx screenshot earlier

[dusty tartan]

No, what is burst mode? I figure the other bonuses (+ fire/phy dmg) are useless so I just chose that. I didn't think the coin cost would be an issue.

[dusty tartan]

I'm still struggling to maintain red lotus in level 80 abyss, and I'm not sure how to get stronger without just pulling more characters, which is why I was looking into divine keys.

I started during the HLE banner and have been running the HLE budget team from the guide that was in the pins

[spiral badge]

Burst mode is a highly specific term. Some but not all valks simply have a state called burst mode that will be clearly stated in their descriptions. HoHE is the only astral ring valk with it at this point so if you aren't using her, that selection is pointless. https://i.imgur.com/0nXp9B0.png https://i.imgur.com/n5L6vUx.png

[dusty tartan]

Ah thanks, I'll skip setting those from now on then. I have HoHE but not her astral enabling weapon.

[spiral badge]

The coin cost can be a concern in a few ways

• getting new things to invest in (could be reruns that were handy to get and still have uses. e.g. spending events/reserve works, event giveaways or getting lucky on carnival/raffle. Can also be ops/elves)
• the eventual endless coin sink can be normal crystal cores from the coin shop for rerolling affixes. not recommended to focus on atm when you're still developing (mainly consider if you have a specific scenario or are regularly high RL/nirvana).

there's prob more i can add but anyway (buying other mats in a pinch)

[lyric anvil]

Hopefully a new part 2 valk gets Burst mode

[dusty tartan]

I've been mostly using coins to buy anything purchaseable with them from the daily shop

[spiral badge]

mainly just keeping up with new characters and their weapons the most you reasonably can (still expect to need to skip once in a while)

and also just learning how to execute the teams well for the specific fight (can show us recordings of how you're playing. Otherwise check out references and study them/try mimiking them, then reviewing what they are achieving with their specific actions)

there's alot of other minor factors on top of that including affix, dkey as you mentioned, dorm, emblem but these are more minor

or ranks and dupes and gacha ops that's obviously not reasonable for a f2p/light spender budget or not fitting for a non high RL/nirv standing

[spiral badge]

yeah that's pretty recent. Just keep at it if you're following advice well so far. Getting large coverage takes time and the game is more of a marathon than a sprint

[spiral badge]

if you ever use a fire main dps or phys main dps, then you can consider turning them on but only if you determine you need that specific gain for a significant ranking placement

in higher/late case even tiny amounts of damage can matter, and you'll be much more well off on resources where you can afford and may desire turning everything on. Minor damage even from supports that happen to be fire or phys may still be appreciated

but otherwise yeah ignore it for now

[spiral badge]

yeah these are fine. i personally only buy adv skill matz with the discount but it should be equal value without the discount iirc? you may want to run the math the next time but it's also too minor

[dusty tartan]

My HLE is level 80, I did the pri-arm thing on her signature and leveled it to 50, and her level 50 stigmas with decent affixes. I'm not missing anything am I? I was trying to find a way to link character builds but couldn't find it.

I've also been sending out dorm expeditions for character fragments everyday to level my dorm level

[spiral badge]

this sounds fine to me. idk what decent affixes mean but leave them alone until you run into a scenario where you need a bit more damage from HLE

[spiral badge]

yeah that's ok for now

resist doesn't do much for her ofc but i wouldn't want you using NCCs praying for a lucky double line, or locks (stabilizers) on this

affixes are by nature rng

and i rather you retain as much resources as possible for when you truly need it at a higher level

for now any gaps you observe for now may be too large due to gear, teammates, execution, or even a combination of minor factors listed earlier

[dusty tartan]

Yeah the resist one is a fake 2 liner but I left it for now since the first line is good. I vaguely heard that ATK is ideal but I'm not sure.

[spiral badge]

yes for basically all valks nowadays they seem to design them such that atk (or crit dmg for phys non bleed) is all you want

there can some specific gimmick niches that may want something weird

!faq affix

[small willow]

Everything you need to know about Affixes

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the in-depth Affixing guide!

Overall, you should only affix Best-in-Slot Stigmata and generally aim to get as much Atk as possible on your DPS Valkyries first. Ensure that the Battlesuit/Weapon Type matches what the Affix line demands otherwise the Atk will not apply.

Remember only Physical Damage can crit, and "crit ratios" do not apply to Honkai Impact 3rd.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

can read more about them here but i haven't really seen them recently aside from maybe shadow knight

[spiral badge]

do keep in mind A rank valks do have a cap on how much they contribute to dorm squad, and even at their max they may not be adequate enough for high rarity errands

https://i.imgur.com/iaJWMPq.png

dorm expeds aren't equal either. some valks are cheaper than others to farm

[dusty tartan]

Thanks for the tip. I'm not near that yet (38/180) but I wouldn't have noticed when I got there.

[spiral badge]

Night Squire
Valkyrie Accipiter
Valkyrie Ranger
Valkyrie BladeStrike

some examples off the top of my head. These costs 36 stamina total to exhaust their acts for one guaranteed fragment.

I know QTesseract who frequents here does collect data about this if you're interested.

and there are a few other ways of getting these fragments too. Asterite shop weekly, and Elysian realm for each patch are what comes to mind

otherwise your main progress are war treasury for base S rank valks but this has its own currency and focus over time. It overlaps with ER permanent crystals anyway, but eventually you will want SS rank on them for errand requirements

ultimately none of these valks sees actual meta in battle use

so don't compromise important priorities over them

if you need honkai shards for weapon upgrades, consider dropping A frag farming for AE imaginons for example (go for the acts that total to 60 stam)

[dusty tartan]

Ok, so far I've just been trying to get each one unlocked first Are those priority for evolving (getting A->S->SS->SSS)?

[dusty tartan]

Here is roughly my HLE team's damage and wasn't able to beat lvl 80 Red Lotus abyss with 120 seconds remaining. This isn't always the rotation I use and I've tried variations with 1) trying to refresh VBm's buff as late as possible or 2) prioritizing using HLE's WA and Astral Ring as soon as it comes off cooldown (rather than trying to refresh buffs).

I know Astral Ring will automatically apply VBm's buffs

[spiral badge]

the list is just what i recall where they have one fragment that's cheap stamina wise to farm daily

but the actual priority list may change depending on what you're seeking to do. There's times in HI3 where it can be valid to be inefficient long term to achieve a short term goal

In the context of A rank expedition valks though, it's too minor to really consider in the grand scheme of things imo

[spiral badge]

In the context of Q manifold, maybe starting with VBm ult is an option. I think the timer does get slowed by it? (suspended animations. In superstring dimensions later on this won't be the case)

hle prob could've QTE > Ult first with her current sp > weapon active to get her sp back (weapon effect) > ult again. Doing it this way delays your weapon active so it takes longer to go off CD later, but also may cut out a basic mash sequence. It depends on how it fits in the fight.

• you did end up having to swap off of HLE right before the weapon active comes back due to the duration of RC debuff. So this is an area to play with.

Yeah next time before outburst, skip VBm stuff. (still swap to VBm first so HLE doesn't get the longer swap cd from a QTE)

RC ult also applies her debuff. It also has suspended animatino that might slow the Qmani timer (unsure. if so then try it instead of purple hold)

it does seem you have a solid idea of managing timers in this budget team but ultimately it can only do so much for now until you get more gacha only new releases later

[glass bronze]

is sparkle and vita any valk's bis team?

[quick birch]

BiS teams change depending on the boss and your current situation, there were some situations where FWS appreciated sparkle + vita though vita is most likely just replaced by FDD in those situations

also viable supports aren't that far from each other, BiS teams only really matter in the highest rank nirvana

[dusty tartan]

Ok ty! Yeah I've tried a ton of variations in prioritizing different things. I know this recording I went to refresh RC's buffs when Astral Ring was up which feels wasteful.

[glass bronze]

i see i see, tysm!!

[dusty tartan]

I actually was barely able to beat the 120 second timer a HLE, VBM, and Miss Espionage team.

[quick birch]

though since you asked that question do you understand how team building works and which DPSs sparkle and vita could support ?

since every p2 S rank in this game is a DPS and support at the same depending on their position in the team this can be a bit confusing at first

[dusty tartan]

I've been wondering, what do the lightning and ice icons mean?

[quick birch]

!faq trauma

[small willow]

What is "Trauma"

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for a detailed explanation of Trauma!

Trauma is an effect you apply to enemies and builds up to trigger status ailments (Paralyze, Freeze, Stun, Ignite, or Bleed). Trauma can also be used to trigger special interactions with stages and bosses. Note that Trauma ≠ Status ≠ Damage.

Trauma Icon

When applying trauma, an icon will show below the enemy's HP. The perimeter will fill to trigger the status. The center will decrease for the status' duration. The whole icon will turn gray when in cooldown.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frigid osprey]

How to deflect epernays crystals? just hit them?

[quick birch]

yup

[spiral badge]

it's kinda awkward to answer this question.

First of all if you don't already have them, sparkle and vita are no longer recommended to catch up on meta wise

Second of all every astral ring valk has dps and support uses depending on how they are placed in a team. Every valk as a dps does have a specific scenario made for her in abyss.

When talking about these valks as supports, as long as their tag matches the ring type of the leader, they usually will be pretty close for most intents and purposes. Technically there can be optimal best cases for these but the differences are slight and only strongly matter for highest competitive levels of the game. And even then it highly depends and changes depending on how much your account scales to a specific case.

loosely speaking...

• Sparkle dps excels on fire weathers with quantum bosses (kosma/tonatiuh). otherwise for other qua dps scnearios, theresa is slightly better but sparkle is still adequate

• Sparkle support can be notable for her forced swap and sp restoration on her ultimate. Durandal dps especially can appreciate this against specific imaginary enemies to deal more core damage.

• in both cases against quantum fights she also helps collapse enemies earlier and can early kill them at low hp but this may even out or be better/worse compared to other options

• Vita is a mech lightning valk. So dps matchups can include lightning weather on andrius boss (bio type enemy), also sprout of wishing

• Vita support is generally stronger but slower. She provides breach to the team but this effect may still be close to other team combinations even if the teams lack breach.

• vita has the utility of decent hitcount. Pales compare to lantern/sushang but still handy to use, esp in combination with her other benefits

[sweet flax]

[dusty tartan]

Thanks! So from the screenshot it would be an unfilled paralyze (?) trauma and a filled freeze drama with half duration remaining. So these two debuffs are unimportant with respect to doing more damage.

[glass bronze]

that explains all the thoughts i had, tysm!!

[spiral badge]

i can talk more indepth or give examples if you have any further interest but yeah, glad to help otherwise

[quick birch]

for the current boss yes, sometimes valks skills will boost damage during trauma periods though afaik that isnt the case with HLE. note that there also also trauma weathers that will increase your damage while the status effect is applied on the enemy but that's not the case atm

[spiral badge]

is your pardofelis S rank?

she has a passive that buffs the team's damage against frozen enemies

but yeah trauma doesn't really have any innate damage modifiers on their own. There needs to be a further effect to appreciate them damage wise and these can come in all sorts of ways

• mango mentioned weather already (e.g. paralyze sushang, bleed vill-v)
• we covered RC's passive skill for freeze
• DXY is a particular enemy that gets vulnerability when ignited or bleeding
• perhaps a more indirect example is making an enemy enter a state of vulnerability, but using freeze to extend the time they stay vulnerable (very few cases. Husk clock is one of them)

this is definitely way more advanced and i don't expect you to really study any of it. Just be mindful the game has many angles and avenues to do something like that

[dusty tartan]

Yep! I have Subzero Sales maxed. I followed the guide and I have VBm and RC at level 80 with the specified stigmas (but I left those at level 25/35). VBm is only SS but I buy all her shards every week from the asterite store.

[spiral badge]

oh btw if you already have the new rita, try a Rita leader with HLE and VBm supports

i don't really expect it to do better than HLE for a ice weather scenario but it is a more complete team

[dusty tartan]

I don't have her, is she something I can get outside of gacha? I've just been pulling on the new banners, so I only have HLE and MES

[spiral badge]

MEs is new Rita

[dusty tartan]

Oh right, sorry I misread that as Vita

Yeah, my team of HLE, VBm, and MES was able to barely finish in 120 seconds, but I had HLE as leader

and activated on HLE

[spiral badge]

you're still missing my point

if HLE is a leader, MEs doesn't really fit on the team. She doesn't have the tag to match with HLE dps

[dusty tartan]

If I'm understanding correctly, you want me to run that team but with MES as leader

[spiral badge]

yes

[dusty tartan]

I know, was just saying I did it the other way

I can try that, who would I use astral ring activation on with that setup?

[spiral badge]

i know you can still partially benefit from MEs effects and maybe that's still better than RC, and with the current weather bonus maybe it's your best option so you don't need to swap as much

but right now i just want you to be aware of how changing the leader around can lead to a different kind of team

So MEs is a Wheel of Destiny valk

HLE fits because she has shadow star tag which matches with it

VBm isnt' a complete fit but still partially fits enough. WoD dps leaders generally can get away with just one matching tag on the team too

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

review what WoD does here, and review rita's ingame tutorials

[spiral badge]

i will say for this team you won't need to swap around as much since both MEs and VBm have longer (25s, as opposed to RC's 15s) support effect durations. So just bear in mind you won't rotate the same as before

but also familiarize yourself with how HLE and MEs trigger their support effects respectively (3pc effect)

[dusty tartan]

Ok thanks, I'll go over that. Yeah I know of the concept of leader but just that it exists. I'll read that FAQ.

[spiral badge]

if there's any details you don't understand anywhere, feel free to ask

if i have to give a one sentence summary for each

for HLE dps there's a strong focus on restoring sp to use her ult attacks alot

for MEs dps you will be using phantoms and the rondo in the shadow effect to maximize her damage

both ring types do kinda stay on a dps for prolonged periods of time until support effects run out

[quick birch]

For HLE WoD support also have a look at her AR skill she has some extra WoD buff there but yeah the general idea is to look at the 3pc of most valks and see how to activate that specific effect

[dusty tartan]

Ok, I read the faq and I've been doing the Phantom support attacks intuitively but without understand what they do and the synergy with Shadow Star.

[frigid osprey]

Is MEs better supp for hohe than hle/thel?

also for her as dps, who would I use out of hle/thel/hohe?

[quick birch]

You'd probably want to replace one of the two but I'd say it depends on what you need for that certain boss, though we haven't had any specific HoHe boss yet so I can't say for sure. On paper MEs is a really good WoD support with her surplus state and the coming buffs with that

[quick birch]

Hle/thele, hohe is a rather lucklaster WoD support compared to the other options

[wintry wharf]

how i reach 10 ?

if there are only 8 units

[abstract sequoia]

tokens

[shell basin]

The Rita tokens

At the start you pick a support, Rita can be dkeys / summer / romantic Walz (and you can reroll once)

[abstract sequoia]

for non-rita tokens, you need to get lucky with items

[shell basin]

I think the 10pc romantic Walz requires Rita

[abstract sequoia]

"Required" in the recommended teams actually means required most of the time (for items at least)

[wintry wharf]

i always get summer splash

[shell basin]

You can reroll it

[wintry wharf]

how

[shell basin]

There’s a button on the card

Two arrows in a circle iirc

[abstract sequoia]

it's a bit hard to see

[shell basin]

If you click on it she swaps to one of the other types

[wintry wharf]

ill check thx

[floral sail]

What would be a good team for hle?? :D

[storm lantern]

thel hle sena should be your best hle dps team despite it not actually being a hle dps team

[shell basin]

Assuming Thel has wep at least

[storm lantern]

she loses some stuff not being the leader but nothing compared to not having a symbiosis support

[floral sail]

I am currently saving for her weapon she will have it soon

[storm lantern]

it's probably only going to be available in bp

not that it would be a good idea to pull if it had a banner

[floral sail]

yes going to buy in bp shop

[cyan gust]

hi guys... should I return to this game or not? i've already finished part 1 but stopped playing before the release of part 2
-# i want to but i'm just not sure

[lone crater]

better return now than later

[shell basin]

yea

[lone crater]

ur valks r essentially ded tho, so u take longer to catch up than fresh acc but that's not end of the world

[cyan gust]

how's luna looking rn in hi3

[shell basin]

Technically she still has a handful of bosses, and one ran last patch, but they're rare

We're getting a copy for free this patch

so you can rank her up

[rugged compass]

Lunar vow?
Sad, shes not really used much nowadays. Her shill period ended a bit ago, she got a slight revival with SCi's release, but outside of that shes kinda dead. She does have some bosses appear, but they're infrequent.

[cyan gust]

lunar vow.

[shell basin]

Can probably cope in A2 if you have her old premium team (hotr + CE)

especially this patch because lightning shill

[cyan gust]

well i have hotr not grieso

iirc...

[shell basin]

That'd be harder but golden diva might also work just a little worse

[cyan gust]

should I focus on saving for future banners or attempt for this banner

because for me saving might be the best option

even though i might struggle a bit but

[shell basin]

Depends on your crystals and pity but I would save

next patch is ani

so should be spending event and good valkyrie

[cyan gust]

I can grind easily and fast

[slim blaze]

not fast enough

[hardy lintel]

question, in the new rita event, what the best teams/sinergies?

[serene crystal]

Standard setup is DA:FL/HLE

[midnight kettle]

Does someone know why my hle does more damage then my new rita ?

[ancient needle]

Where are you testing the damage? What teams are you using?

[midnight kettle]

In the thing where u do 10 stages, im playing her with hle and kiana like she's in a festival

[ancient needle]

Well, Badum can't support Rita

That's why the damage is lacking

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

Check the last link

[midnight kettle]

Okiii but i started when the new elysia realeased and i pulled her and badum and waited for rita

I dont have a lot of chars

Who do u sugest pulling for ?

[ancient needle]

If these are all the chars you have use VBm for now

[midnight kettle]

i really love elysia and rita

[ancient needle]

Save until the next patch

[slim blaze]

i love CNY

[midnight kettle]

And i love seelee in the story

But i didnt see her in any banner is any of her form good to pull ?

I really really love her

[ancient needle]

She won't rerun in gacha atp, too old

[slim blaze]

skip

[midnight kettle]

Will they make her in a new form ?

[slim blaze]

who knows

[ancient needle]

Her newest battlesuit (HoRb) should be added to Reserve Works in 1-2 patches

[ancient needle]

You'll need her new gear set to be able to use her with your valks

Which is gacha-only

[midnight kettle]

And is any chars good to buy with the like pruple things we get from memorial smth ?

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind that she + her gear are not recommended to get atp

[ancient needle]

!faq wt

[small willow]

War Treasury Farming

Hey, Captain!

Click [here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the War Treasury Farming Recommendation, which is kept updated!

Short Answer:

• If there are limited-time discounts on character cards, buy them ASAP!
• Prioritise buying character cards of Valkyries that are in Elysian Realm.
• After that, unlock everyone else for dorm progression.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[midnight kettle]

Ohhh okii and who is in elysian realm

Is the pink girl and her sister good i juste started their story

[slim blaze]

no

[ancient needle]

You can check that in-game if you alr reached lvl 50

[midnight kettle]

Okiii thank youuu

[slim blaze]

you can pretty much classify every valk without astral ring as bad

[midnight kettle]

That's sad :(

[slim blaze]

but storywise, i mean just enjoy

it's just business

[midnight kettle]

So not any astral ring chars work together

[slim blaze]

match the tag and specialization basically

[midnight kettle]

Should i pull the robot girl for rita

When she come back

it says ine her guide her best team is with new elysia and the other girl

[slim blaze]

her?

https://tenor.com/view/honkai-impact-3rd-helia-helia-gif-15138244554438853916

[midnight kettle]

yess i thinkk

noo

[slim blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/vita-vita-honkai-vita-honkai-impact-vita-honkai-impact-3-vita-honkai-impact-3rd-gif-9932245034727651201

[midnight kettle]

wait ill go back in game to screen

this one

[slim blaze]

no

you just save

[midnight kettle]

ohhhh oki okiii

[storm lantern]

she's not worth pulling and also not bis

[midnight kettle]

oki okii why are the little cubes so hard to gettt i need them for stigmates

[storm lantern]

you can get them from voyage log events and p2 story

[slim blaze]

the best meta decision is to pull new valk when you have the crystals 90% of the time

[midnight kettle]

Ohhh in p2 story ? Ill do the the p2 moreee then but i didnt finish part 1 is there a link btw them 2 ?

[storm lantern]

yeah but not until ch3-ex

[fallen shale]

I accidentally obtained Rita's weapon, should I pull the valk now or would I still be better off skipping and waiting for next valk

I don't have enough pulls to get her but I can obtain enough before the banner ends

My current geared valks are HoFi, FWS, PS, PAWS, FDD and HLE

[upbeat egret]

Why did u pull on weapon if u don't have the valk?

[storm lantern]

good question but u wouldn't like the answer

[serene crystal]

You have no team for dps ME I would just skip here even if you got the weapon and pray you can get enough for next patch.

[fallen shale]

Cause I'm dumb

It was only a one pull so it's not like it actually cost me anything significant

[fallen shale]

Alright

[slim blaze]

it cost you your sanity

[fallen shale]

:(

[frigid osprey]

As long as you finish the 3 stages in super string you will get 6000 p. So only the score on the final stage really matters?

[quick birch]

yeah that's what the competitive side is about in the end, you get more points depending on how fast you kill the boss and then compete with other players with that score

[simple bobcat]

is vitas stellar outburst qte broken for mobile rn

its like not working, (for WS)

[quick birch]

afaik it shouldnt, what exactly isnt working about the qte ?

[simple bobcat]

am i supposed to hold the button or tap it 6 times, cause for some reason its only hitting once

the resonance mark thingy

i think i tried both, this can just be an apple issue (genshin mobile experienced a similar issue back in the days)

but it was on the apple side

the issue i mean

[quick birch]

tap but you will only trigger 4 resonance triggers that way, the other 2 will auto trigger when she does her punch after that

[simple bobcat]

okay bet, if the issue is me its probably cause i confused it with her weapon skill

[spiral badge]

just to be clear, the resonance stuff during outburst isn't really a QTE

but yeah mash/tap through it

[simple bobcat]

sorry, switch entry whatever it is

or, its that state ws supports have where they can BA 6 times

to trigger resonance marks

[spiral badge]

the quantum mech energy stuff yeah

[simple bobcat]

exactly

idk how i forgot, i feel like they mightve had a hold feature but that could just be mandela effect

[spiral badge]

there is a switch in happening but that more refers to animations that incur when you swap

in this case it's just instantly going straight to consuming quantum mech energy to resonance attacks in order to detonate resonance marks

but this is just a bunch of term vomit so don't worry about it

i only stressed clarifying QTE because there can be important effects pertaining to it

[simple bobcat]

yeah its not rlly a qte

it just visually feels like it

[spiral badge]

right

and maybe the vita icon was blinking too but in this case there's no difference if it was blinking or not when you swap to her for resonance attacks

[simple bobcat]

OH cause it reminds me of KMB qte

exactlyyy

[spiral badge]

there was something more i wanted to say about this

[simple bobcat]

okay, it was tap

i think the different attack mechanics are starting to get into my head and spun around

[spiral badge]

yeah the game is overwhelming and there's alot of unnecessary precise terms

[simple bobcat]

i miss the old style sometimes

alot

[simple bobcat]

^listening

[spiral badge]

the main thing i wanted to warn is that you may see similar animations in different ring type teams (e.g. LoA) but they can behave very differently

vita is especially guilty of this

[simple bobcat]

i still havent had a LoA unit :(

i have a couple supports for the ring too

im just waiting for the next LoA unit cause i dont wanna back pedal

[spiral badge]

well just know that with an LoA leader,

• vita's CA serves no real purpose. The stellar drain that normally is there for other ring types was instead moved to her enhanced last BA attack (after a weapon active>mash)
• and her outburst "super QTE" (i don't think it's technically truly QTE?) isn't something you need to mash through anymore. There's no resonance attacks going on. It looks the same but it's different. It's considered a stellar shift

maybe you can find an LoA dps in the tutorials with vita as a support to try this out. idk

[simple bobcat]

they do a bunch of animation reuse for different support types, i kinda get it

[spiral badge]

but otherwise just be lightly aware of those for now

yeah exactly

and yeah don't back pedal/backpull/pull on reruns

or at least meta wise don't do it

if you have a rerun favorite then we can discuss that more to reach a compromise

[simple bobcat]

like, sometimes when i switch hohe from GoI support to attempting WoD support and i find myself expecting her own ult to like fill up instantly

[spiral badge]

ah yeah it's just different

[simple bobcat]

or when i try HLE in WS and keep thinking i should hold ult

i rlly like the multirole aspect but it confuses me when i take breaks

[spiral badge]

yeah

i think the one that confused me the most recently was horb because she's so different yet similar to p1

[simple bobcat]

So freaking true

[spiral badge]

on that note if you have any specific confusions to try to clear up now we can discuss those too

[simple bobcat]

like the difference between her 2 playstyles is so big of a difference for me

[simple bobcat]

honestly i wanna know thelema more, i got her cause i originally wanted her bit now she was in bp, and i wanted more WoD supports for hohe, but im not too sure how WoD supports function

other than like sena who you virtually never switch to

but about thelema, whats her best combo cause im just holding weap+ CA/combo

[spiral badge]

thelema is a heavy topic but i have a few resources to link to

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[simple bobcat]

pls that would be awesome

[spiral badge]

first of all check out the WoD part here to understand the general idea of the ring type and what's going on in it

specifically rondo in the shadows

[glad ice]

especially horb case

[simple bobcat]

im also trying to learn more on my miss espionage gameplay, if it makes sense i get the gist of it

[glad ice]

playing completely different

[simple bobcat]

i get how WoD functions as a team i mean, i think its based on the old sp valks like SA and HB

[spiral badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPip4sAJLUo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrt3ZAnHb94
So these are more advanced guides for thelema in particular. There might be a less formal part 3 somewhere on this person's channel but i don't remember atm

[simple bobcat]

but the rondo buff i read a bit on

[spiral badge]

they are long guides though so we can do some quick talking for now

so let's talk about thelema's actions first since you want to know her main general sequences

i'm going to give you some foundational ideas to build off of

then i'll tell you what's common to use

[simple bobcat]

im saving these vids for drawing sessions, whenever i draw thats when i pay attention to those the most idk why

[spiral badge]

yeah whatever that works for you

[simple bobcat]

the WoD units i have are just thelema, hohe and missespionage

i get how hohe works, miss espionage im kinda getting used to but thelema, she confuses me

[spiral badge]

so thelema has two main buttons to attack. Basic attack and weapon active

These attacks change depending on if you tap or hold them, or use them on the ground or the air.

So this gives us alot of combinations to work with

[simple bobcat]

WA is for freeze right

[spiral badge]

hold WA

not tap

i'll get to that later

[simple bobcat]

carpal tunnel valk

[spiral badge]

the main thing about thelema is that when building up her bar, you don't to repeat an attack kind

[simple bobcat]

yeah i just hold wa or ca

[spiral badge]

and this tracks across different bars too. So if you end with a ground ba3, you don't want to do a ground ba3 on the start of the next bar

another technical note is that ba3 on the ground and ba3 in the air are different. So you can totally ground > air > ground > air doing only ba3s

[simple bobcat]

wait theres differences with her aerial combat and ground combat??

[spiral badge]

yeah maybe try it out.

other attacks are more distinct with their air and ground versions

and they are all different from each other

ground wa tap will cause her to flick her whip and leave a spinner

[simple bobcat]

ill try it, theres not much i can try it on other than that SD boss in arena but just for learning purposes it works

[spiral badge]

while air wa tap will cause her to fish up a target so to speak

anyway just know you have a pool of basically 8 attacks to string in any order you like

you can kinda categorize them too

[simple bobcat]

i really like that variation in playstyle

oh my god you are a big help

my dmg went from the 400ks to like 1 million cause im doing the combos correctly and actually have a charged attack or hold ba whichever

[spiral badge]

First the WA category. I loosely think of this as faster but weaker than BA stuff but there might be exceptions

• hold WA is for freeze as we said earlier,
  • air hold WA is kinda bad and slow. It's rare we really make use of it
  • ground hold WA is one of her fastest attacks and can be cancelled with an evasion
• tap WA is mainly to gather
  • air tap WA happens in two parts and is one of her fastest attacks. Some even use the first hit for slight damage and cancel the rest of it. The second half is what gives you the banquet stack though.
  • ground tap WA leaves a spinner as said earlier. You can use this for slight damage before the boss becomes vulnerable. The spinner does get removed and cancelled if you do the full meter attack though, so don't use it last in the bar.

[simple bobcat]

oooh i get it now

im playing around with her combos with that in mind and its actually not as hard as i thought, im just also trying to figure out which attack sequences end up in her in the air or ground

ohhh, hold ba ends up switching ground or air

[spiral badge]

Moving on to the BA category. Generally they are stronger but take a bit longer in my mind.

• hold BA (which is CA) is basically to change elevations
  • ground BA is kinda slow and feels rarely used. You may opt to just jump instead.
  • air BA is quite fast and is a common way to get yourself back on the ground
• i think of tap BA3 as your main method of damage and a solid all rounder? but there's a lot of extra advanced details here.
  • they look the same between air and ground but are technically not dupes to each other as i said earlier
  • only the third hit gets you the bar count. So if the enemy is about to become vulnerable you can prep a ba3 ahead of time too.
  • thelema has a passive where enemies take more shield damage after getting hit by her ba3 iirc.
  • because of how thelema needs to follow the enemy as she does a ba3, doing air ba3 near the ground may cause her to forcibly waste time needing to land. Be wary of doing it against short enemies. This landing animation is only really cancelable with full meter attack (MoI) or entering stellar outburst iirc so you can opt to do it there even against short enemies

the video will cover most of these if not all of them

[simple bobcat]

you explained it all perfectly

[jolly pulsar]

is thelema the most advanced p2 character mechanics wise?

[spiral badge]

but tldr weapon for quicker animations and utility, BA stuff for damage if you want a very quick and dirty

[simple bobcat]

ill still watch the vid for specifications

[spiral badge]

subjective. lantern is very technical too if you want her to be

let's move on to sequences

[simple bobcat]

but your guide literally just helped me shave time off my clear

[jolly pulsar]

wait no continue

[simple bobcat]

(i tried using thelema on the stardust boss just for fun like yesterday and i didnt do great with it)

[jolly pulsar]

I want to read this

[spiral badge]

thelema's meter is normally 6 stacks but in outburst with rondo she fills up two at a time

so it's common to think of her sequences in 3 attacks

[simple bobcat]

is there a way to activate rondo outside of stellar outburst?

[spiral badge]

the most common one is ba3 > tap wa > hold wa > evade cancel > repeat

[simple bobcat]

like with miss espi

[spiral badge]

yes but only for rita as leader as the main dps

this is due to surplus state

the wod guide earlier covers this

[simple bobcat]

yeah, i learned that part the other day

[spiral badge]

for all others, it's only in outburst

[spiral badge]

anyway that's common but with what i told you earlier you should be able to adjust depending on the scenario

for example you can trade out the hold ground WA for a jump air ba3 instead if you're at the end of your sequence

[simple bobcat]

ill learn that sequence just so i have a sequence to default too

[spiral badge]

if you're going for pure speed you may even just spam a bunch of hold WAs even if that comes with a huge damage loss

or alternate hold WA tap WA or something idk

[simple bobcat]

how did you know that was all i did at one point

[spiral badge]

just trying to get you thinking adaptively here

let's move on to air sequences

the main one especially during outburst (because MoI against larger targets or lifeted targets will put you in the air) will be
ba3 > tap wa > air CA

it's also a way to put you back on the ground and go back to the ground sequence

but again don't be afraid to play with it

[simple bobcat]

also when you say BA3, im sorry if i dont have a grasp on it but is that like in an attack sequence you tap BA after 2 attacks?

[spiral badge]

i know i ran into a boss recently that can be lifted, but gains super armor to fall back to the ground midway in my sequence, making air CA kinda awkward for some reason (idr). So i had to change it to air ba3 > air CA > ground ba3 probably? (again idr lol)

[simple bobcat]

or 3 ba attack string

[spiral badge]

basic attack 3 times

[simple bobcat]

okok tyy

i understand the matrix now

[spiral badge]

i think the last major thing to be mindful of is during outburst when you have rondo active

it's not only thelema attacking anymore

she has phantoms further attacking alongside her

[simple bobcat]

does miss espionage give thelema a big upgrade over sena+hle

[spiral badge]

but similar to the ground WA tap spinner, the last phantom from your third attack in the sequence can be cancelled early if you MoI too early

so try not to do a fast attack like ground WA hold as your last attack in outburst

[simple bobcat]

understood

[spiral badge]

there can still be exceptions where you need the speed like when outburst is ending or the boss is near death or something, or maybe you need the freeze

[simple bobcat]

i run into that issue alot with miss espionage (i think its a me issue) but i try to do hold ba with her and sometimes the rondo buff runs out before the attack hits

good to know before i experience it again with thelema

[spiral badge]

i think MEs replace sena assuming you can make use of surplus state effectively

i can still imagine a scenario where surplus state isn't needed and you move back to sena that way

otherwise i did observe trying to use sena + MEs together even with sera op will lead to sena's buff expiring by the time you reach surplus state

[simple bobcat]

i need to read on what the surplus state actually brings, in that general guide you sent

[spiral badge]

oh i can give you some crude notes for that

[simple bobcat]

whats the biggest pointers you can think of with it

[spiral badge]

rita leader > shine
surplus
baseline
16tdt
20edt
18physdt
half
phantom (7s rondo + 8 para trauma)
20 tdm
8 tdt in SO
full
12TDT in SO

rita not leader > vortex
surplus
baseline
10 tdt
15 edt
14 physdt
half
10 TDM in SO
full
25 TDM in SO

the biggest thing is the extra rondo you get when rita is the leader

[simple bobcat]

TYSM i love when stuff is written like that

so easy to understand

[spiral badge]

but you don't always make use of it (it got ignored in the previous abyss boss cycle on lower tiers)

lmk if i need to explain any abbreviations

[simple bobcat]

AI could never replace you sairaan, youre an amazing sensei

[spiral badge]

some of these aren't like a separate buff but an upgrade of a previous one btw

so you don't get 10 + 25 total damage multiplier upon entering outburst at full surplus

you only get the 25

[simple bobcat]

nope! im all familiar with it

[spiral badge]

any other questions? There's aspects of thelemas kit that we may further discuss too. Main thing is her evade farming

and i guess how to play her during outburst with her timestop ults

[simple bobcat]

actually yeah, how often do i need to use her evade

[spiral badge]

that's a purely fight dependent case

[simple bobcat]

is it just mostly for openers

[spiral badge]

in some cases the boss may give you attacks that have a lingering hitbox for her to evade farm

nah this can be very midfight

[simple bobcat]

ohh

[spiral badge]

honestly this is a very technical thing and might be too niche now

[jolly pulsar]

I hate barging in, but i wanted to ask if there's an example of a valkyrie's skills specifically mentioning about a AR tag (besides AR and leader skills)

[simple bobcat]

whenever i master the sequences, ill ask you more about the evade

[spiral badge]

#💁gameplay-help message i have some examples here of evade farming with thele

[simple bobcat]

bett

[spiral badge]

first of all her sig weapon lets her restore 3 instead of 1 ARI when successfully evading an attack timely

[simple bobcat]

wait thats useful

[spiral badge]

but also her evades are normally limited to two before she needs to land. If you nail a timely evade, then they reset

letting her evade endlessly as long as you get them. However she rises as she does this

[simple bobcat]

she has a big learning curve i see

[spiral badge]

one of the more technical ones for sure

[simple bobcat]

im really glad i got her though

[spiral badge]

people do ground evade farms with her too. you can prob look up huodou fights for that

[simple bobcat]

does she still keep that boss?

[spiral badge]

i think so but idr atm unless you want to talk about WoD valks looking for shadow star tags to share stellar drain

teri op also specifically looks for heavenly shift tags and not LoA ring types for initial ARI

so you can do stuff like use teri on a GoI team for initial ARI if you don't have CX

[spiral badge]

raven is coming up again soon is all i know

and thele still is used there

[simple bobcat]

alrighty, thank you so much for the help see you guys later, if theres anymore important additional info, just send it as a reply so i can check notifs

[jolly pulsar]

imaginary bull had thelema evasion farming, and that just last boss

[spiral badge]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1b7BWBkEzs

[jolly pulsar]

idk i didnt even do anything it was all Sairaan

[spiral badge]

beware of rank differences. s2 fills her meter on ult

[spiral badge]

oh true

[simple bobcat]

lif youre part of beginner help nation i love you regardless

[jolly pulsar]

mad because i needed one more stamp for s2 thelema from spending event

i guess i can top up this patch

[spiral badge]

eh just beware of how much limited use thelema may have left from being so old

[jolly pulsar]

also, do you know where i can find info on previous abyss cycle weathers?
or even future ones, but preferably previous ones. I thikn #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion has a schedule in the pins

[spiral badge]

||https://youtu.be/r_Ip0clZOao?t=63|| @simple bobcat something for you to come back to. I consider this outburst sequence very standard for below S2 thelema. Notice how they kept rondo active throughout but also use the ult time stop duration to effectively extend that rondo uptime and to maximize how much full meters they can perform overall

Although do note this video does use air hold weapons because they need to freeze the boss

Spoiler tagging this thumbnail since this boss is a story spoiler

[spiral badge]

yeah. For past one use arustats too. For much older older cycles, you may have to start digging in more obscure/obsolete places

[jolly pulsar]

hmm, i cant find it. where do i look on the website?

[spiral badge]

also check out #💁gameplay-help pins for the disturbance tracking sheet

https://www.arustats.com/en-us/hi3/timeline/7.9

click the patch of interest and then just scroll down from there

idk anything else for the website or what you're specifically trying to do with this if you want to elaborate to me more

maybe this sheet is of interest too https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yoFF_XtR03IKUNiv5l95s7gw4GpIgI2ScyogVkqNwmM/edit?gid=0#gid=0 but it looks like it's no longer mainted

[jolly pulsar]

i looked at the top part of the timeline which had the banners and didnt see the bottom part which had the abyss cycles

[spiral badge]

lmk if these resources don't have what you're looking for and we can explore more

[jolly pulsar]

no, thats what i needed
I just need to figure out what each abyss weather means

like starless or extreme

[spiral badge]

starless is just for p1 stuff. non astral ring

extreme is for GoI

lmk the others too

flux is LoA

[jolly pulsar]

ah ok, is there a place where it says what each one is defined as?

[spiral badge]

not really

which is why i'm taking initiative here lol

shadow star (only happened once on tank) is WoD

[jolly pulsar]

i know there was an abyss weather that specifically mentioned about AR tags
Does Extreme say for valks with Symbiosis tag you deal more damage?

[spiral badge]

bloodthirsty is just mob kill count and not to be confused with bleed

i don't remember honestly so you'll have to search for a video from there

but many videos are in other languages

[jolly pulsar]

oh yeah i guess i can do that

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/o7ULDMh.png

[jolly pulsar]

oh

youy already posted it

thanks

i think those are all the quesitons i have now

[spiral badge]

symphony is all three elementals
dominance is summoned entities (needs to be from the dps)

resonance is WS

[jolly pulsar]

dominance was one of my least favorite weathers
its less bad with s0 horb

[spiral badge]

it's just a very polarizing one because not many valks in the game has it, and not having it leads to a stark difference

bleed is kind of like that too

[hardy lintel]

hey guys question regarding Dkeys. is there like any better keys to get? or doesn't really matter? rn i got just the free ones. but im about to get enough to buy one but idk which you'd recommend

[spiral badge]

!faq crystallum

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[spiral badge]

they are all basically equal, have no in battle use, and you do want them all eventually

beware Abyss Flower and FHDown wants further craftables to access their own respective +10 atks

but +10 atk alone isn't much. You may hold off to keep your resources more flexible for now in case anything weird happens in the future

if you do encounter a scenario where that +10 atk is important for your rankings, then sure go for it

but otherwise you never know if they may give some of these reserve shop dkeys in restricted ways where picking one now may force you into a duplicate

or maybe something else more appealing shows up with crystallums in the future

[hardy lintel]

i ask cuz i got this locked things i don't know if it worth unlocking of not

[spiral badge]

!faq dkey what

[small willow]

Divine Keys

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the Divine Key explanation pin!

Divine keys are special weapons that can give permanent bonuses to your account!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

maybe give this a read/review

in the long term for meta purposes, they are worth it

but don't give up an arm or a leg/cripple your short term performance going out of your way to do so

Realm of Battles for 5 weapons
Foundry for Pledge of Sakura
Exchange Shop for Judah
Reserve Shop for the others not available anywhere else

Some events (e.g. mini spending events) may give access to other dkeys not available from the above like Xuanyuan Sword

And newer ones (center node) are gacha only. I wouldn't spend crystals purely for the +10 atk. Make sure to assess the full benefits and actual battle uses of these.

[timid linden]

i'm returning to the game after a while, what team is the best to use with my characters?

[shell basin]

Do any of your S ranks have their Sig gear?

otherwise probably valkyrie blastmetal with Reverist calico and... I guess boltstorm third, until you get TA? But don't expect too much

those are all free

[ancient needle]

Do you still have Starter Manual? If not, keep in mind that it's strongly recommended to make a new acc in your case

Because you'll get back to lvl 50 in a week tops and Starter Manual is very valuable

For team comps without gacha valks you can refer to this:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[amber finch]

is getting the 420 aw better than valk dupe

[ancient needle]

A valk dupe won't do shit in your case

[amber finch]

true

[ancient needle]

Unless you're planning to get them all to SSS for funsies

[amber finch]

aw it is les go

[amber finch]

nah im not that dedicated

[jolly pulsar]

I’m trying, yes

[storm lantern]

aw is locks dupe is nothing

[amber finch]

i did not get the 22.5 for 23x6 from the 180 locks i got from the aw

the gambling was definitely more fun than a dupe tho

[storm lantern]

ouch

[slim blaze]

yikes

is bringer of light better than RL emblem lol

HLE FWS Hohe

[lone crater]

probs u can try

it was better than rl for fdd on benares

[slim blaze]

wew

time to fix affixes i guess

[autumn oxide]

why hh isnt ps better

oh nvm its hh

[slim blaze]

You assume i have ps

To begin with

[hollow olive]

whats the best team i can have for my HLE? my HoHE doesnt have DK btw. and be warned that a lot of them dont have proper gears so it probably doesn’t matter lmao but it’s good to know

[serene crystal]

Who lacks gear?

My basic guess would be HLE, FDD, VBm here

[shell basin]

Yeah

Only other consideration is Thelema HLE FDD/VBM but that's gonna be worse

for HLE shill

[hollow olive]

the only properly geared are HLE, JK, Sparkle, Silverwing. the rest are not

[shell basin]

Even 0/4 FDD is still a symb support

[hollow olive]

HoHE with her old gears

[shell basin]

so it's fine. Well, ideally you want 3/4

Tho if sparkle has gear you can run Sparkle HLE VBM on fire shill

which is good

[hollow olive]

3/4 meaning all her stigs?

[shell basin]

yeah

[hollow olive]

this is what i have. tbf i can just make them in foundry but i also plan to pull for her weap in case she reruns so im holding until then

[shell basin]

if you can afford it I would craft them anyway but if not

you'll want to run different stigs

probably Theresa Gluttony T + FHM MB on FDD, and Rouald Amusen if you don't have Tsiolkovsky for VBM

though if you have less cope p1 support stigs like Turg or JST it'd be something to consider, that's just the default cheap suggestion

her stigmas need the 3pc to be good

[hollow olive]

ight thankyouu (ill craft them)

i got this as extra when i tried to pull before. can i trade it for something else? something that’s equally worth it. or can other valk use it?

[shell basin]

you can salvage it for a prism

which is one of the thigns you use to craft more

[young solar]

guys if I want to start playing as English UI which server is better
will some servers have less events?

[lone crater]

aside from cn, every other server now is like same

cn gets art books and these kind of events, but otherwise everything same

in game/gameplay content same essentially

[young solar]

CN, I guess you mean Han Simplified? it is a different download from the Hoyoverse launcher right?

[amber finch]

also if im not wrong, aside from the niche servers like cn kr tw jp, all of the other servers should have english as a choice

[lone crater]

most clients/servers can support many languages, not sure about cn client tho

[lyric anvil]

It being default for text in NA/EU

[amber finch]

for sea too if im not wrong

[lone crater]

unless u live in cn or some other stuff that lets you play there, ur probably most likely gonna play in sea/na/eu oh tw/jp/kr exists as well, but people there rarely talk here

[amber finch]

basically no diff in events aside from cn getting exclusive stuffs like physical artbooks, as a compensation for that they'll just run the same event but no artbook for other servers and (this is not concrete information) have a raffle with merch and ingame rare items

you also have the benefit of "knowing" the future if you dont play in cn

because cn is 4 weeks ahead of the global and sea servers

[lyric anvil]

||Valk teaser soon||

[lone crater]

imejin they did raffle with artbook as prize

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

so real

[young solar]

so it's either SEA or international IG

is there any coop event or coop stuff
surely International server has more ppl than SEA servers right?

[storm lantern]

no

[young solar]

My alt dying in HK server of Genshin because no coop help my domains😭

[amber finch]

the na+eu servers (glb) is more dead than sea, for coop stuffs, it's been dead for awhile, there're events that lets you fight against other players but that's it

[storm lantern]

it's two separate servers

[amber finch]

tldr: coop in hi3 is not real

[young solar]

ok then
SEA IG
thanks guys!

[amber finch]

[amber finch]

do note that sea is harder than nau/eu

if you care about meta and stuffs ig

[young solar]

wdym harder
the enemies have higher stats?

[amber finch]

basically yeah, disturbance is higher in sea (higher disturbance = tankier mobs with higher stats) and sea has more active players in abyss/memorial arena with better hands sometimes

[storm lantern]

yes but that by itself doesn't matter it's how much you do compared to other people, sea has more players and they're probably more competitive on average so to get the same crystals/ranking you have to play better or have better stuff than you would on na or eu

[lyric anvil]

SEA has more whels

[amber finch]

im carrying sea rn

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

without me sea is gonna eos fr

[storm lantern]

literally singlehandedly funding the server costs ty

[amber finch]

all the t10 players are merely my alts

[lyric anvil]

[young solar]

hmm NA EU server sounds nice if that's the case
I hope it's not gonna go EOS someday if US or Germany go ham on gacha games again
...surely it's safe right?

[lyric anvil]

[amber finch]

germany alone cant just force hi3 to close an entire server region

[lyric anvil]

You get advantage of Abyss opening later where you can use refs from SEA

[amber finch]

also na also has canada in it, not just the us

and there's also brazil n stuffs

[lyric anvil]

Tbf it's called Americas in the actual game

[amber finch]

also hoyo is rich as fuck

[young solar]

wait
what's the ping of US servers when I'm in Taiwan/China

[amber finch]

ping wont be important

[storm lantern]

rejoice genshin player you're safe here

[amber finch]

hi3 is mainly an offline solo game all things considered

you only need internet for it to update your scores

[lyric anvil]

'Offline'

[young solar]

it won't?!
hell yeah

[amber finch]

and load stuffs in ofc

but when you're fighting then having 999 ping is the same as 1 ping

[young solar]

ok EN server it is
baby mode is baby mode

thanks guys!

[grizzled raven]

let's learn computer

[junior flume]

what dk should i try to lv up to build ?

[serene crystal]

None of them should be particularly important outside of Stellar Keys and the gene limit ones.
For gene limit it depends on what dps you use

[junior flume]

hmmmm any like overall suggest or build you have in mind ?

like rn

i dont have all the dk and those i have is all lv 1…

[serene crystal]

You upgrade them for the gene limit else it doesn't matter

[junior flume]

yea ik but like what dk i should use so i could lv them up fist

for their buff

[serene crystal]

What teams do you regularly use?

For the standard VBM, RC, TA early team start with either cleaver or judgement of shamash

[junior flume]

still useable kinda

[serene crystal]

Then you start with Grips of Tai Xuan

[junior flume]

let me check that dk in vietnamese name fist

yea i cant transalate that do you have like a pic ?

[serene crystal]

gloves

[junior flume]

ohhh

[cold wing]

VRO Why im i not getting the full score

[quick birch]

getting the full score is impossible you'd basically need to kill the boss before it spawns, the score is just there so that you compete with others players how fast you kill the boss

assuming this is the boss stage in superstring dimension

[cold wing]

I mean i think i can go for under a minute if it wasnt for that gate thing

Because it takes like a few mins

[cold wing]

Yea

I almost defeated the Sss in the memorial arena but then I played with the new rita only ion have any other astral good characters since i got back to the game recently

[quick birch]

under a minuted does not do anything in regards to getting 4000 points the score starts to decrease once the boss spawns
killing the boss faster = more score and then you compete with other players in your bracket
also the doors shouldnt take that long

[cold wing]

I mean 8 seconds wasted, but well

[cold wing]

Yea igwym ty

[quick birch]

use Valkyrie blast metal and some other generic support like Reverist calico or even Valkyrie bolstorm if you have her ranks + gear ig

[cold wing]

Should I send a screenshot of what I have?

Or do u mind?

[quick birch]

yeah than i could give some better recommendations

also if you're interested in being competitive i'd suggest making a new account since the starter rewards are quite good and you'll have quite a lot of crystal sources to farm crystals
it's not a necessity and old accounts can be recovered it's just easier to start a new one

[cold wing]

Ive got these from the astral thingy

[quick birch]

ah nvm you alread have quite a roster

[quick birch]

does everyone there have their weapon + stigmata ?

[cold wing]

And these I

Used to main fallen rosemary before the new battlesuit

[cold wing]

Nah wish I had the kira weapon

That wouldve helped sm

Im stuck with the jingwei thingy

[quick birch]

anyway in regards to who you'd use with the new rita use reign solaris and lantern with her
i'd assume you don't know how p2 team building works ? hence why you're asking who to use with rita

[quick birch]

i'm mainly interested in the units with the astral ring system tbh

[cold wing]

I mean all of them are kinda powercrept

To an extent

[quick birch]

no not really

[cold wing]

I mean the vita would pair well with the combo guy from the elysian realm

[quick birch]

i'm sorry i'm not following you with how one relates to the other

Powercreep isnt as present in ranks that aren't nirvana, you can get away with viable supports and even brute force your way through bosses to some extend.
In regards to how relevant your astral ring units currently are, i have to admit that some valks like lantern see less meta presence than other valks though they still all have a niche that they cover. When it comes to supporting your new rita she's still very much your best option with reign solaris

in regards to the vita message could you explain what excactly you mean by that

!faq meta

[small willow]

Why does it feel like EVERYTHING is trash?

Please don't be discouraged, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message), it's not as bad as it seems! Let us clear up the common misconceptions about meta~

[quick birch]

also give this a read if you want to know a bit more about what i already hinted at with powercreep etc.

[cold wing]

Mhm

I mean vita gets combo's faster than

Most characters so

[cold wing]

I did

[quick birch]

i mean ig yeah but valks aren't really meant to be powercrept in elysian realm

[cold wing]

I mean that way you kinda can get a decent boost in dmg without doing much

[quick birch]

everyone can clear elysian realm on finality with the right signets, some older valks may be a bit harder but it's doable

[cold wing]

Ive only went for inferno with fallen rosemary

And it went pretty good

[quick birch]

you can easily clear finality with your Miss Espionage

[cold wing]

Can tell

I mean this boss took like 1 min

Also one more thing

[quick birch]

go ahead

[cold wing]

the bounty weapons

Are they even usefull

Well if ym they will provide a dmg worth of a 6 star if given to any character as a replacement for their weapon, sounds good

[quick birch]

some of them are divine keys and when you have both the craftable and gacha counter part you'll get a account wide +10 atk boost ( a lot of the gacha counter parts are in reserve work already)
other than that you may also craft them to get weapon resonance with which you then buy another divine keys, oath of juadah
but any use besides that not really

[quick birch]

there are no good craftable options in this game, when pulling a battlesuit you always want to pull their weapon non negotiable

[cold wing]

Yea can tell

[cold wing]

When i started a few years agoI never wished for weapons😭 only collected the characters

Heck i even wished for kira before it became in the store

[quick birch]

anyway are you interested in how p2 team building works since you asked before who you should pair with your new rita ? if so i can link you an faq explaining it and we can go through an example together if you'd like

otherwise if you have any other questions feel free

[cold wing]

I watched a tutorial on the miss espionage battlesuit, seems like she was paired with the new ely

[quick birch]

yeah the new elysia works with her but p2 team building really flexible and you aren't limited to her

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[quick birch]

give the guide at the bottom a read if you're interested

[cold wing]

Well i will once i have more astral characters

Either way thank you

[quick birch]

your current roster already has a full team for your rita but yeah take your time and ask if you don't understand anything

[cold wing]

I mean you explained almost everything

Lol

So are the bounty weapons the only way I can get the divine keys?

I remember there was co op

And from there we got em, but since then idk it seemed wierd

[quick birch]

currently the most common way to get divine keys is from reserve work ( the battle pass shop which has old gear in it ) some of those divine keys are the gacha counter parts to the craftable ones i've mentioned before
other than that you may get a divine key box from a spending event or even just as a reward from a normal event

!faq balls

[small willow]

Immutable Crystallums

Hey there, Captain!

Crystallums are a Battle Pass Currency that can be exchanged for Valkyries and Equipment in the Reserve Works. Captains who purchase Knight or Paladin BP can also access the BP Works of that patch for 3 versions.

There are 3 BP tiers offering different amounts of Crystallums as follows:
-# The totals below account for the 2 Crystallums in the Dorm Shop.

• Vanguard (F2P) BP: 5 per patch
• Knight BP: 18 per patch
• Paladin BP: 24 per patch

It is recommended to spend your Crystallums on Divine Keys that you have yet to collect for permanent account-wide ATK bonuses. See the list [here](#👶beginner-help message).

Feel free to ask us for account specific advice - especially if you buy BP!

[quick birch]

regarding which divine keys are in reserve work check out the list linked at the bottom

[cold wing]

Dam

OH that thing

[quick birch]

yeah coop got replaced by Realms of battle, though it always only gave you 5 dkeys which are now obtainable through realms of battle

[cold wing]

Im going to get the elysia bow

Next in it

[quick birch]

to be honest not really, i told you which units work with your rita but not why they work with her that's what the faq covers

[quick birch]

which one, there are multiple elysia's which all use bows and Herrscher of Human ego even has 2 weapons

[cold wing]

Wa

[quick birch]

also if the weapon has key in it's name that does not mean it's a divine key

[cold wing]

The key of ego or smth

[outer spruce]

not a dkey