👶beginner-help

[fluid grove]

also can someone explain why the first two glow and helia doesnt

[sweet flax]

its a barely functional feature, however in this case its because of hle's ring type

goi can be support by units with symbiosis, the way this feature works is that it will light up the characters who have either the symbiosis ring tag or the rite of oblivion ring type (like vbm in this case)
since helia has neither, she isnt lit up

ofc with more valks the feature can forget to highlight or just be bugged out and not highlight anything at all

[fluid grove]

oh damn. so who could i get preferably a f2p character that has hles ring type? or do i just give the third spot to whoever? i spent asterite to get helia only cuz i thought she should be in hle team

[sweet flax]

you can check ingame who have the ring tag by clicking on the blue icons under their name

for now beginners arent recommended to pull any other units aside from hle and her weapon
we have a pin that goes into a beginner friendly team comp + rot for her until you get something in a later patch

[fluid grove]

okay thanks. but if id give in and get hor with irl money (she reminds me of a character from another hoyo game so i really like her) would that be a good team? with her and hle

i think id have enough time to get hors weapon as well

[sweet flax]

horb* not hor, hor is herrscher of reason bronya
horb is herrscher of rebirth seele

well the bchip bundle isnt a good value bundle, and lowkey a scam out of your bchips (paid currency)
but if you are insistent on getting it, you'd need to get horb's dkey which gives her an astral ring and the symbiosis tag as well

[fluid grove]

oh ok still not used to these short terms so mb ;-; ill think about it! on another note, who should i get from here? azure?

[sweet flax]

we have a pin that goes into it more in detail, id recommend you check it first

do you own the rest of the valks in the egg?

[fluid grove]

no i just started this acc a few days ago cuz my lvl 80 one is pretty bricked

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/V06XIDb.png btw those icons can just be wrong entirely lol

[fluid grove]

i only have dimension breaker from the egg

[sweet flax]

already ranted about it in the past its best to just ignore it

at least it doesnt glow on the wrong ring anymore

[fluid grove]

...do they plan on fixing that? xd

[thorn ember]

do we have a build guide for ER?

[spiral badge]

we're not the devs so no clue

!faq er guide

[small willow]

Elysian Realm

I'm here to help, Captain!

Click here for signet guides!
-# Also see Shallow Sequence Tutorials here.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[daring oak]

Does Horb want this? or are her substats for stigma wanting something different?

[sweet flax]

we assumed they did since 7.8, as you can see they clearly havent yet

[spiral badge]

i don't recommend spending that for her right now but yes she would want that

[sweet flax]

yes she can use this, btw im assuming this is from the dkey box, do you already have all the other dkeys?

[fluid grove]

maybe they dont know about it

[sweet flax]

well people have submitted bug tickets about it, doesnt look like they care much

[spiral badge]

all we can do is report and wait. so feel free to submit it in #🐛bug-report or in the next end of patch survey

[fluid grove]

right

[fluid grove]

so about this

[spiral badge]

it might not get fixed immediately since it may have to reach CN and even then we don't know what's going in the code and what fixing it entails

[sweet flax]

did you give the pin a read?

[spiral badge]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[fluid grove]

oh lemme do it rn

[sweet flax]

[fluid grove]

sorry ive got short memory so i forgot about it instantly. but i just read it now! ill keep it

[keen pilot]

this score is okay right 😭

[fluid grove]

by the way,does it matter if i level up this weapon before it becomes shiny? i mean before i forge it

[sweet flax]

you need to take it to lvl 50 to priarm it

[fluid grove]

oh ok!! i had no idea thanks

[sweet flax]

oh wait p2 weapons cant use other weapons of the same type to priarm anymore?

[serene crystal]

Something can probably be improved but as long as you clear inside the timer it doesn't really matter pre breakthrough. @keen pilot

[sweet flax]

^

[keen pilot]

yeah i suppose thats right it only needs a 120 seconds clear

[sweet flax]

incase you wanna add another image

[glass pendant]

Uhmm my account is very outdated and wanted to upgrade my HoHE... I searched about her new build and apparently "Solon" is the recommended one... Is still recommeded if I have her old signature?

[ancient needle]

Nah, Solon is pretty useless if you don't have her new weap

[glass pendant]

Oh I see, thank you

[floral lake]

can i have enough to get the outfit

i didnt do the ER yet

[muted shoal]

you need 8.2k more

you already got pretty damn lucky, I'd recommend you stop there

in the unlikely chance you have that much by the time this is over, go for it then

[thorn ember]

if I make a pri with some other weapon, could I use the original weapon to synergize?

[muted shoal]

I don't think you can use other weapons for synergy pris

and you definitely can't for Divine keys anyways

[thorn ember]

oh yeah no

sad

[muted shoal]

Dkey pris need the base dkey tuned to be crafted, and you can have only 1

[thorn ember]

wait, actually outfits cost less then a valkyrie?? damn!

[muted shoal]

well yeah, they don't do anything

and you need the valk

[outer spruce]

they look good but that's it

[upper fog]

Hello there I have a question

Should I synergy 3 hohe divine key?

[muted shoal]

if you have 3 of them

nothing better to do with them

[limpid sand]

guys after u top up in the starter manual u can choose from 3 valks which one should i choose

[upper fog]

what a lovely response! But no I don’t have any I was just asking if it’s worth it

[floral lake]

ikr damn that was amazing

[muted shoal]

Not worth pulling for nah

[upper fog]

Thats one way to go ! Thank you friend

[thorn ember]

I just have a faint false (apparently) memory that they were crazy expensive and more then a valk

[outer spruce]

no they've always been 9600

[floral lake]

oh ill try anyways and these crystals are they worth picking or just get the cards

[outer spruce]

some costing way less

[floral lake]

for the outfit i wanna get the xtals but i mean yeah

[muted shoal]

It be crazy expensive still (about 100-150 bucks if you convert directly) but yeah not that much

[limpid sand]

which one should i chosee

[muted shoal]

Cards are worth 1400 so crystals are generally never recommended here

If you're really set on getting that outfit, wait until the last day and see if that puts you up to what you need

[serene crystal]

None are going to see any meaningful use for a new account and all are available in Asterite shop. Maybe Sugary Starburst as she has a pretty minor use case

[muted shoal]

should be somewhere in the pins but it doesn't matter much

[floral lake]

well i like it yea but cards are better

[keen pilot]

shouldnt i be crafting this ?

[muted shoal]

if you have Abyss Flower , eventually yeah for the +10 atk from owning both (keep some fuel on hand at all times tho in case you need to craft prism stigs)

[keen pilot]

i dont have it

[serene crystal]

Then just wait

[keen pilot]

okay i thought it would be good to just have them crafted until later

[serene crystal]

You can but I would keep 1800 + ether fuel in store for prism stigs before crafting unless it is useful now.

None of the other materials really matter for current valks

[keen pilot]

okay thanks

[keen pilot]

is coralie weapon synergize still worth

[serene crystal]

I would consider mats higher priority if you need them but else nothing is better to spend your Asterite on.

[keen pilot]

better to get the metals first?

i got all the torus ancient will power and coralie frags

[serene crystal]

I find metals closer to a bottleneck then torii personally

[simple remnant]

i dont really get the forging thing, neither do i get the universal mirage

[serene crystal]

UM is mostly a mode which has meaning for P1 stuff which they have kind off discontinued. For P2 you only really care about it as a source of ether fuel and you need very little for stigs compared with P1. So you can mostly just ignore it or do the it for the weekly mission for extra EXP.

What are you not getting about forging?

[simple remnant]

cause i want to build p1 valkeries and i dont really get how to get some of the forging resources

[simple remnant]

for example the purple thing here

is there any way of farming that kind of thing?

[serene crystal]

I am assuming you are talking about Spatial lens that one can be gotten from open world adventure tasks and bought at the asterite shop as you can see if you click on it.

[simple remnant]

damn, its very hard to get materials for forging old things-

also, is there any way of getting the currency for the exange chop i think its called

the one where you can get stigmata and weapons for old characters, asking cause it says that you can only get those due to salvaging p1 stigmata or weapons which i obviously do NOT have

[serene crystal]

Yes that is true so you need to craft some and convert them to get it which is annoying and tedious.

[simple remnant]

oh, but it doesnt let me forge weapons

it says locked in most of them

it lets me forge ones called base weapons

[serene crystal]

pri Arms are locked as they require the earlier weapon from the gacha to craft go down to bounty weapons

[simple remnant]

Oh

so i wont be able to craft p1 weapons then-

OH WAIT

so salvaging bounty weapons will let me get the ones from exchange shop

you mean that?

[serene crystal]

converting not salvaging

[simple remnant]

convert it to that blue currency

[serene crystal]

yes

[simple remnant]

and i can only do that with bounty weapons ig

tysm for the help!!

[serene crystal]

The cheapest one should the 3rd sacred relic there is some more info in the mirage farming pin

[simple remnant]

it is since it doesnt use the spatial lens

just 150 ae imaginon

[thorn ember]

When does bitterness of a sleepwalker happen? after the first chapter?

[simple remnant]

BUT i have to forge a spirit weapon everytime i want to forge the bounty one?

[serene crystal]

Yes which is why it is very tedious

[simple remnant]

oh damn

i mean, everything for miss pink elf weapon i guess

is it the same thing with stigmata?

[serene crystal]

The exchange shop stigmata uses red resonance which the game is way nicer on as you also get as a completion reward for open world but else you also need to convert stigs for it

stigmata uses spatial convectron (red lenses) which you can get weekly in the ER shop and as reward for clearing ER weekly

[frozen crypt]

if you're trying to build MPE for fun you can farm the Elysia set

it's G4 tho

[simple remnant]

which is the diference?

[frozen crypt]

g4 just means it requires more materials and will take a long time

[simple remnant]

g4 doesnt even appear for me LOL

[frozen crypt]

what level are you?

[simple remnant]

87-

[frozen crypt]

wdym it doesn't appear

[simple remnant]

OHHH

okey i understand now, it does appear

the thing was that idk why it dooesnt appear for me when you open the forge from her stigmata set up

it only shown me from g3 to lower

but once i openned the full stigmata forge i was able to see g4 stigmata

[frozen crypt]

this dogshit?

[simple remnant]

yessir

[frozen crypt]

yeah never sort by equipper

game UI is so outdated and stupid

[simple remnant]

OH I CAN FORGE OTHER ONES

[simple remnant]

i have wasted a lot of materials on those help...

[frozen crypt]

I assume you are just playing to build elys or something? I didn't go read the whole prior convo

obviously none of this is recommended metawise

[simple remnant]

yes and no

my main focus is all the elysias rn

but after that ill play like a normal person YEAH JASHHAS

[frozen crypt]

well perfect time to join you can get all 3 ezpz

[simple remnant]

fr! i got the 3 of them

trying to get hle weapon and after ill save for the new dk of hohe

[frozen crypt]

I think you can actually play like a normal person right from the get-go and just build elysias on the side because its not like you will be able to gacha their gear except HoH dkey

you just need to keep your eye out for a supply and ensure you will have enough for it

[simple remnant]

just found out i can get also pardophelis stigmata and shushang

[frozen crypt]

don't

[simple remnant]

fvdghjk

[frozen crypt]

HoH with dkey does not use them in her team

[simple remnant]

ikik

but without it does she?

just curious cause im playing them together and it seems fun

[spiral badge]

man this very same issue came up for someone else yesterday or the other day lol

[simple remnant]

but not sure if its the best team

[spiral badge]

if i see it again i'm going to need some psa somewhere...

[frozen crypt]

well kira replaced pardo for p1 HoH team

[simple remnant]

whos kira?

[frozen crypt]

sugary starburst

[spiral badge]

https://tenor.com/view/shigure-kira-kira-honkai-impact-honkai-3rd-dance-gif-14432639614168372248

[simple remnant]

oh that girl

i saw her in the video sairaan sent me earlier

[limpid sand]

guys where do i even find part 2 chapter 1 mission: genealogical seat i cant find it

[frozen crypt]

!faq cof

[spiral badge]

!faq cof

[small willow]

How to find "Covenant of Finality"

Sorry for the confusion, Captain!

Part 2 of the Main Story will unlock at level 30. Both "Covenant of Finality" and "Genealogical Seat" are part of this storyline.

Main Menu (Bridge) > Attack > Story > Extinguished Starlight and Rekindled Fire > Tides of Time gone by > Play!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

lol

[spiral badge]

ah.

[frozen crypt]

slowraan

[limpid sand]

it has me tweaking give me my golden egg

[spiral badge]

keep in mind that video was more for fun and nothing substantial to actually follow

not in this day and age really

[limpid sand]

i have done this but do i just keep doing the quest until i finish what it wants me to do its been so longg

[frozen crypt]

it is part of the same storyline yes

[limpid sand]

sigh i have to finish it ?💔

[frozen crypt]

it shouldn't take too long tho

genealogical seat is still quite early in p2 story

[limpid sand]

well thank u

[simple remnant]

yeah, they were using hle which has another team with her fdghjk ive noticed fastly

[spiral badge]

for hle leader (grail ring type), just make sure you get symbiosis supports for her

at the very least the video does goes to show you can have fun not following conventions in the game, but you can think about that far in the future when you're more developed. For now follow recommendations since you have goals to gain

[simple remnant]

yes, need soomeone to replace vita, i was thinking of hoh since im planning to get her dk even tho its not recommended

[spiral badge]

yeah i mean if you like elysia it's fine. Just beware you won't mileage from her as much and will miss something in the process of doing so

once you see her rerun forecasted in #🔮cn-gameplay-discussion pins, try to save up 17k crystals (60 rolls) to guarantee it

[simple remnant]

as long as they dont release someone to use with kiana + vita or elysia + kiana ill be good i think

omg the lot od stigmata ive had forged cause the game told me they were the best.. im so mad rn DAMN

they are like 9 already...

[simple bobcat]

Why do some units only have 2 tags for astral rings and some have 3

[simple remnant]

also, i noticed that idk why ive got one hoo stigmata even though i do NOT have her LOL

[serene crystal]

Do not trust the in-game's recommendations always try to get a check on if it correct option

[spiral badge]

VBs only has one tag. Not all astral ring valks are equal

and even if they have less tags it doesn't make them bad

PS has 2 tags but has unique and useful utility, so she's quite commonly used anyway

[simple bobcat]

I thought it was cause they might end up supporting a future ar

[spiral badge]

no that's only if they have a locked skill

but none of that is happening rn

[simple bobcat]

But ig they have a locked thing

I also thought maybe the 3rd missing thing could mean they supported p1 teams

But eh not all of them are equal u right

[simple remnant]

is the michelangelo stigmata good?..

[spiral badge]

there's no real tag for that. You have to read descriptions and look for astral ring OFF effects (sparkle, theresa, durandal)

i also highly discourage those valks because of this. Newer players won't be able to justify getting p1 stuff

[frozen crypt]

no it's not worth crafting anymore

[simple remnant]

what is this for?

[frozen crypt]

random event stig

[simple remnant]

so ig i can sacrifice it

[outer spruce]

most event stigs are not useful

[frozen crypt]

do you have a better option?

[simple remnant]

thoght so but still cute, ill keep it

[spiral badge]

asterite really isn't that valuable nowadays. You may opt to just keep it for collection

[simple remnant]

not sure if i should savage it

i dont have hoo and idek when did i get it

[frozen crypt]

I'd keep that

[simple remnant]

okey okey

[frozen crypt]

you probably opened her free stig box for no reason

[spiral badge]

what are you trying to gain from trashing things?

[simple remnant]

probably

[simple remnant]

the reed thing let me check the name

stigma resonance

[spiral badge]

that's not important either. You get a small amount of that every week from open world finalizations if you really have to get some but

[simple remnant]

it doesnt let me trash the things ive forged-

only the michaelangelo

[spiral badge]

exchange shop is only for older stuff

generally it has to be G1 or above stigmatas

but i mean trashing anything is generally inefficient

[simple remnant]

thats so sad-

[sweet flax]

what are you trying to get with the resonance

[spiral badge]

largely speaking i don't expect a notable general use for them anymore but you never know if a niche use would come up, or if you would someday want to keep it for collection

[simple remnant]

mpe stigmata for example

[spiral badge]

but again that's G4 craftable

[spiral badge]

!faq egg

[small willow]

S-Rank Valkyrie Option

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to see the in-depth explanation of what to choose!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep this egg until you have two from the following: Shadow Knight, Sixth Serenade and Goushinnso Memento. When you own two, unlock the one you are still missing.

[spiral badge]

or keep for collection

there's no need to rush this either

[wispy aurora]

Need that PWO

[spiral badge]

uh for what exactly?

[wispy aurora]

To have the store unlocked

[spiral badge]

what are you building that's being used this abyss

you can unlock that shop at any time later

if you still want to do it, then fine don't let me stop you but LE is arguably a worse choice for it since efficiently wise, you can get her frags slightly cheaper every week

[sweet flax]

there's 0 benefit to owning it, and as sairaan mentioned its craftable

[spiral badge]

they are an ely fan

[sweet flax]

oh

[spiral badge]

so it's more fair from that perspective

[sweet flax]

[simple remnant]

yeah, trying to get them built even though ik the old ones arent really valuable anymore

[spiral badge]

and certainly red resos can be part of that process rather than completely crafting G4s but

[wispy aurora]

Celestial Hymn, KMB, DB, Pheonix and BN

These are all the characters I'm missing from it.

[sweet flax]

its mostly the old one* hohe has her dkey and hle is meta

[simple remnant]

yeah, im still getting hle weapon and after ill save up for hohe dkey

[spiral badge]

rely on open world over time for red resos really. Or once you're familiar enough with the game and know you won't regret it, then sure trash some of the less useful/older/lower G grade ones maybe

definitely not HoO's stigmata for now though. That valk still sees niche use

and you never know if they would ever make HoO more available than she already is for you to mileage nichely

[spiral badge]

yeah and all of those are available in WT. The egg is kinda unique so you may value just holding it. Otherwise pick something that costs AL if possible (i think all of those costs AW though)

another angle is something in ER but none of those apply. I guess in such case getting a dupe is fair even if it's less efficient

[simple remnant]

kinda wish they could make old valk usefull tbh but ig it will be a thing of time

[spiral badge]

every older valk had their time in the meta already but you don't have to let the meta dictate how you play either

[simple remnant]

i thought so

anyways, you all are being really helpfull for me tbh, tysm guys

just one more question, so, for mpe

just wanted to ask what option would you all recommend me as for getting her weapon

[sweet flax]

any high atk bow for now

[simple remnant]

you (sairan) told me about the exchange shop, it is also in bp even though i think for bp shop is better to get dkeys

[spiral badge]

hm i guess this argument doesn't matter actually. The egg is just another source and at that point it's probably equal across most if not all options for PWO

[wispy aurora]

This is all I have left in WT

[spiral badge]

there's no actual need to clean it all out though

how are your dorm squads and dorm errands coming along?

[wispy aurora]

Need like 3 more for ER

[spiral badge]

you may value SS'ing some valks instead

uhh taht's not related to ER

[wispy aurora]

From WT

[spiral badge]

yeah my words earlier hasn't changed

[simple remnant]

ill put this on her once i get hle weapon fgdhjk

[spiral badge]

normally i would prioritize foundry > exchange shop but since you're already looking to craft G4 from it for her stigs, bp can be a alt consideration if you don't value anything else

[simple remnant]

cause now that i think of it the dkey would make all my characters have more attacl

and that means more attack, from any character

and i think that would be better?

[spiral badge]

then yeah prioritize those first for your AL and AW

[wispy aurora]

Seems like I was wrong and only need MMG from WT

[spiral badge]

BKE too?

[wispy aurora]

Oh yeah her to

so 2 left from there

[spiral badge]

um each dkey is only +10 atk with syncing in the menu (in most cases this means having enough other weapons in the same category. Some you may have to further craft)

collectively they add up and even singularly it may matter late in the game when everyone is competing very similarly but

[wispy aurora]

Then just buy LE frags weekly?

[spiral badge]

for your purposes as being elysia focused and not making meta efficient choices, i wouldn't focus on them for now. You're likely to not appreciate it. You can hold your orbs and decide later though @simple remnant

[spiral badge]

sure

[simple remnant]

okey okey, tysm!

[spiral badge]

kmb too if you have excess AW. She also has the same first frag weekly discount

[wispy aurora]

Dorm is 43

LE = S1 > s2 11/30
KMB 43/80 to unlock

[simple remnant]

at the end of the day for elysia id only get mpe weapon, stigmata ig ill craft one day or get it from exchange shop once i get enough stigma resonance from open world quests

since the other ones have gacha weapons that ill have to be getting slowly

[spiral badge]

does this tell you how much you would get for picking a dupe? otherwise we can look here https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Fragment_Farming

[simple remnant]

whats awakening?

ik sp is like fischl and prometeus

[spiral badge]

some battlesuits in the past are linked to a preexisting battlesuit where they share some skills. These suits were awakened forms

so HoS is an awakened valk for example

nowadays it's kinda meaningless

but there's some currency differences across them

[cold niche]

should i take the battlesuit tickets or the weapon ones?

[spiral badge]

anyway i think we can crunch some numbers here and maybe consider kmb from egg if you really do not care about keeping it

[simple remnant]

ooooo, HoT is also an awakened one ig then

[spiral badge]

either is fine

just don't pick crystals

5 cards = 1400 crystals

and when you roll for a new valk, you'll need way more than the cards given to you on average

[simple remnant]

they be scamming!!

[wispy aurora]

Seems like it might be 30?

Found on reddit

Natural s ranks give 30 shards, whereas awakened ones give 70

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/O3qXOqq.png

i mean the page i linked you shows that

well ok i was wondering if the egg tells you

but nevermind

[wispy aurora]

Egg doesnt no

Just a select and confirm

[spiral badge]

oh i got mixed up for a minute

KMB is not an awakened valk. HoV is the awakened counterpart to KMB

ok so

that's why the normal unlock cost is 80 fragments https://i.imgur.com/lgrRkwS.png

if you run the math in WT shop, it doesn't matter whether you buy frags or buy the card directly.

Each frag without weekly discounts is 14 AW x 80 = 1120 total

but getting a dupe card will give only 50 fragments

so if you have to pick something from the egg, it's better to pick a card rather than a dupe. You effectively get 30 more frags this way

but again in the long run this amount hardly matters

i hate to be a broken record but it's because this is not reobtainable that i have to stress you may value the egg as a collectable

otherwise for PWO purposes, get KMB from the egg now so you can eventually max her out for PWO conversions

[wispy aurora]

I'll give it some thought and decide.

[spiral badge]

nothing wrong with avoiding the elixir syndrome and just getting some actual use out of something

but the PWO shop is really inefficient in itself too (half value). It's just notable because there's some things there you can't really get elsewhere

[simple remnant]

im hating the battle againts the hersercher of ice

[spiral badge]

i was going to say keeping the egg means you can always decide later too, but if you unlock KMB another way early then you're missing out on the egg value

if KMB frags go above 80 you can always just not unlock her until you decide though

[fossil jungle]

Is there an objectively better pick between the two or should I just pick who I want more

[spiral badge]

check pins

[simple remnant]

tomorrow youll be mine

i hope next pull its the weapon so i dont have to use the tickets from the event on it

[rose holly]

is it worth spending BP currency on Thelema wep? pondering buying Knight

[spiral badge]

if you particularly want to focus on thelema/hohe and got thelema from spending then sure i guess

but from a long term meta perspective i rather you spend your money on something more crystal efficient for new releases instead

[simple bobcat]

Trying to explain the astral rings is so hard but its so simple once you get it

[rose holly]

bp is pretty crystal efficient though

[spiral badge]

I said more. But i mean if you're spending to the point where bp is the next best thing then sure you can consider it

[rose holly]

i mean it's the best after monthly

[spiral badge]

It isn't? What about the anni bundles?

[rose holly]

outside of the 60 b-chips ones, they offer similar or worse worth compared to knight bp

i have a sheet with it and it's not very readable

[spiral badge]

Something came up for me so i can't look more into this atm

[rose holly]

which anni bundle are u referring to, I can check

[spiral badge]

But if you're already getting bp since its crystal efficient then thele weap sounds ok to me

[rose holly]

or is it not this patch's

[swift parrot]

which one should i pick, I was thinking maybe for sushang

[simple remnant]

that makes me question

thelema is good for hohe dps with divine key ig, isnt she?

[serene crystal]

HoHe dps doesn't really function without MPS

[simple remnant]

who is mps?

[outer spruce]

thelema

[simple remnant]

oh

right, the thing is that i probably wont be able to get her from the spending event

kinda sad-

so, in that case getting her from bp could be good or would it be a badly spent?

[shell basin]

You probably want Purana since you’ll use RC to support HLE

If you got someone from carnival or have FDD tho it’s much less important and you could easily pick something else instead

[simple remnant]

Where did you get that from? Just curious

[shell basin]

Starter manual

Thingy

[simple remnant]

So that's for new players?

[shell basin]

Yeah

[simple remnant]

Damn, i kinda wish i could claim that 😭

[quick birch]

!faq weaponbox

[small willow]

Beginner Weapon Option

Hi, Captain!

Ai-chan recommends that you keep the box until you have a use case for one of the weapons. Both Purana Phantasma and Nocturnal Stealth have their uses. Key of Ego is generally not recommended.

If you insist on opening the box immediately, Purana is likely to have more usage long-term due to the team tdm buff and RC being able to quickly debuff enemies which may be useful for SS MA.
-# Please note that you definitely should not rush to PRI-ARM these weapons, they are not a good investment of PRI materials.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[boreal rampart]

Just make a new account xd

[swift parrot]

okay thanks I'll go for pardo's weapon since i don't have FDD

[simple remnant]

That's what i was thinking about LMAO

[swift parrot]

starter manual where you need to pull 50 to a weapon banner to get that chest, I only got it because I was pulling for HLE weapon

[simple remnant]

Woah

[rose holly]

Which key do I take from box

Event box

SoEAE?

[serene crystal]

SOE is the only one not in Reserve works.

[maiden garden]

These fight stages
What am I losing for not doing them

[long grove]

Does someone know the cost of each pull on the outfit banner

[haughty elbow]

if u dont want to read all that just know its a lot more expensive than u think

[amber finch]

yeah just have 10k readied

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/7iaNqt4.png

it's not much but this is very high efficiency

[rose holly]

ye

[spiral badge]

ok so long as you're aware

[rose holly]

I'll buy bp if I feel like it

[spiral badge]

the overall idea is to go down the hierarchy of efficiency. If your irl money is limited for this game, then another argument extends to buying monthly as much as possible

if you've scoured the game and boiled it down to knight bp, then i have no issues

[rose holly]

Yes similar logic applies to other gachas (like hsr which i am familiar with)

Truth is I decided to stop spending on hsr cuz of the game is turning out and I enjoy hi3 a lot so I keep giving money to the same damn company

[spiral badge]

ultimately up to you in the end. I mainly encourage you to know the game and know what you're buying

there's alot of conversion changes and the game is old and unintuitive that really muddles the picture of things

[rose holly]

Yeah I try to get as much information as possible before doing pretty much any kind of investment, both at a monetary level and at a pulls level

[spiral badge]

you know what to expect from thelema right?

[rose holly]

WoD so HoHe support, and so that means pretty rare perhaps replaced by HLE matchups

[spiral badge]

well knowing that she is important for HoHE support and that her use cases are rare are the main ideas

but i was more interested in hearing about the weapon utility since that's the thing of interest from the bp

[rose holly]

uhhh it's mostly the evade right

[spiral badge]

so ARI regen, ult time stop (for more evades and personal damage), first time sp cost reduction on ult

[rose holly]

didnt really look into it, I just based myself off "valk bad without wep"

[spiral badge]

that's fine for most intents and purposes. It's just esp major on thelema

personal damage too

[simple bobcat]

how important is it that i have a loa unit, i have the other rings covered and have loa supports but no loa units

[spiral badge]

i wouldn't go out of your way to pick one up if it compromises your ability for a future release. It's just like any other niche in the game

the main importance of it is arguably Memorial Arena but that's also not important overall

[serene crystal]

Currently most likely not super important as it is a while since they last added one so you would not expect to see LoA weathers show up frequently so you are probably fine.

[spiral badge]

we have got newer releases of WS (HoRb, Sparkle, Teri) and WoD (HoHE), so maybe you can wait for a new LoA instead

[simple bobcat]

so most likely just wait for new loa since my acc is ready for it but theres no absolute need

[supple sentinel]

why i cant salvage my stigmata dupes? this keeps on popping out when i tried to

[spiral badge]

yeah. Crystals are limited and the opportunity cost of trying to go out of your way of getting an old one at full price is arguably not worth it

[spiral badge]

#🔌technical-help pins

need to use your current device for a week or so but idr the details

@simple bobcatmaybe check out the schedule in #💁gameplay-help pins and see how often flux (LoA weather) actually shows up

be mindful that an LoA valk can see emphasis/shill in other ways (current weather can encourage fws leader as well as hle)

[oblique verge]

which

[spiral badge]

check pins

[simple bobcat]

thanks!

[oblique verge]

idek what my goals would entail (The goal is get sparkle) so this barely helps me

[simple bobcat]

also for hohe is vita hle better or hle + thelema

[spiral badge]

from the current carnival?

[simple bobcat]

ive heard hle thelema beats vita/sena breach but im guessing its situational?

[oblique verge]

yeah

[simple bobcat]

like maybe if theres stardust mobs hle and sena would be better idk im just throwing out assumptions

[oblique verge]

i dont know what team comps are actually meta in this game so idk what i would even want

[spiral badge]

consider rerolling for her since there's not much time. Pick HoHE since you get a mission for 30 crystals that way (not much but it's something)

this was definitely written into the pins in a section dedicated to newer players.

pins have further guides on how to reroll, and how you can get crystals

[spiral badge]

!faq ring

[small willow]

Astral Ring and Specializations

Allow me to explain, Captain!

Click here to view a list of Astral Ring Specializations, Tags, and the Valkyries protected by them!

Since 7.3, all new Valkyries will use the Astral Ring system. You must charge Astral Ring Intensity (ARI) to max to enter Stellar Outburst. The team leader determines the active Astral Ring Specialization.

For information on each Astral Ring Specialization:

• World Star - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Wheel of Destiny - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Rite of Oblivion - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Law of Ascension - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)
• Grail of Infinitude - [Click here!](#👶beginner-help message)

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for guidance on Astral Ring team building!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

start with the last link here to understand how team building works now

[oblique verge]

thank u

[spiral badge]

sorry if it seems like i'm just tossing guides after guides at you

[oblique verge]

no its okay this game is very old and there are a lot of layered features

[spiral badge]

but half of them are stuff i've written and in general it would cover things alot more thoroughly than i would be able to right now

[simple bobcat]

team comps arent even a thing anymore i just pull for a new unit and then get 2 s rank supports for them and then spread out by pulling new units that support those s rank units

[oblique verge]

it is hard for a new player to pick up an old game and it is inconvenient for someone to rewrite something they have already written

[spiral badge]

if you do get stuck on anything i sent, feel free to ask further though

[spiral badge]

they still technically are so i rather not say that

but yeah team building is so much more flexible now as long as you get enough valks

[spiral badge]

yeah i would just be parroting alot of it. If you still insist I wouldn't have mind though lmao (as I have with the elysia pick earlier)

[simple bobcat]

true, i guess like how having an extra stardust support for stardust units can better counter stardust for example

[spiral badge]

but anyway i mainly urge you to do so for your own best interest

[spiral badge]

well no that's just counterpicking

i more mean teams still have a general structure of dps and supports, as well as matching ring types and tags. you can't just throw 3 AR valks together and expect it to work automatically still

[simple bobcat]

oh thats what i meant i should be more specific sorry

[spiral badge]

i guess you're not technically wrong if we want to say team comp for a particular fight but yeah idk. The point is there's still team structure lol

[simple bobcat]

i meant like say i started in paws banner id then pull paws and then i go for units that can support GoI and then when i make a full team i simply pull more supports that support thise ones

[serene crystal]

Yes, there is structure but beyond the ring matching the structure is very loose so there is a lot of space for counterpicking and similar strategies

[spiral badge]

i feel we're getting on the same page now at least so we can prob wrap this up and move on lol

[simple bobcat]

can i continue asking about hohe though

[spiral badge]

oh yeah sure what's up

[simple bobcat]

or is that better to ask for in gameplay help

[spiral badge]

ok i see sorry i missed this

i think that channel has traffic right now so let's stay here lol

[simple bobcat]

thank you!!

youve been giving me help/guide for like 4 years now tysm i rlly appreciate it

[spiral badge]

tbh i don't know how hle stands for WoD support. I think I've seen her but it may have been to handle some niche enemy match up.

Generally sena is preferred since sena doesn't need field time for her support effect and she provides team breach

but team breach isn't as important as it used to be in p1. Generally they are still the best but alot of breachless options can still come close

trying to see if i can dig up the time i saw her as WoD support

[simple bobcat]

does getting any of senas rank make her a better support? cause i still have bp stuff im saving for hotr full gear for collection purposes but i can stop that if like s2 makes a big difference

last question i promise

[spiral badge]

you don't have to promise. if i can't help anymore then i can announce it on my end lol

and i encourage more questions regardless since this game is overwhelming lol

[quick birch]

Afaik raven is currently running in CN and HLE is holding up as a solid Thelema support, no idea about other WoD units but I remember some HLe WoD buffs that sounded weirdly specific for thelema

[spiral badge]

the main things i think of for sena's ranks are
s2 helps her with mobbing (bloodthirsty weather)
ss gives her an extra evade charge that might helps her rotations a bit more if you're cycling quickly
and ofc raw atk stats on each rank (slight influence)

overall nothing too major but it can still matter at a high level

i encourage waiting for now until the buyable period is almost over before making an unsure decision, or more ideally wait for use scenario to show up and evaluate if you need the extra boost

[spiral badge]

that's definitely good to note mango. The original question is regarding HoHE though. Any ideas about that?

https://youtu.be/p2h4pJnBWuQ?t=430

i see this but i have no idea if this video is doing it just for the sake of using hle or if it's actually best lol

prob still decent enough results though

[glossy hemlock]

whats the best team this abyss

[simple bobcat]

gotcha! many thanks

[quick birch]

Not really tbh though hle has some ranged buffs for WoD, we'll probably have to wait for a HoHe weather to actually know. I would test it a bit myself but my thele is currently widely underdeveloped and I have no idea how to play her

[spiral badge]

radicre does have that thele video whenever you're ready for it but yeah she's not easy to learn

i want to check something quickly on sena tbh. There might be a boost to her team breach but for now i only know it maxes at ss1 edit: nope

[spiral badge]

consider HLE or FWS main dps

which ever is best may depend on what else you have for each side

[glossy hemlock]

fws with fdd jd and hle with fdd fws right

[spiral badge]

yeah probably

[quick birch]

The buff I was referring to that sounded weirdly specific to thele was the ice/lightning meele DMG bonus since we don't have a WoD lightning yet, the ranged buff and maybe TC does sound nice for HoHe but completely loosing out on breach doesn't seem worth it maybe it could be a strat more exclusive to RL but I'm more speculating now

[spiral badge]

what abyss tier btw?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUr_boh28wI

for FWS you might be able to refer to older cycles and adjust/scale up

[glossy hemlock]

s chenxue>ss ds right

[spiral badge]

(maybe check some past nirv reference for the current RL)

for HLE yes

uh i'm not fully sure about S chenxue. General considerations are at SS

but probably still

[lone crater]

s chenxue should be better just do one so

[serene crystal]

I am slightly short on ARI when doing RL with DS on EU so the better ARI should push chen to being somewhat better there if she isn't already, since Hoshi is also EU

[old parrot]

does judgement of shamash work on badum?

[barren skiff]

Does anyone have an invite code? I only have a few hours left of my returnee thing and I want the crystals

[lone crater]

no

[lone crater]

try invite links channel

[ancient canopy]

hie! do we have a faq on gene limit? i wanted to know which one of the weapons has to be leveled up and the ones that dont

[ancient needle]

You wanna level 1 weap of each category that has a Gene Limit

And you wanna level them evenly until they're maxed

(the 10th lvl of the Phys one is lowest prio though)

[ancient needle]

You can focus a bit more on categories that correspond to damage types of your valks

Like, for example, if you have HLE and PAWS, you can focus more on Ice and Lightning

For the general dkey info you can check "Divine Keys Explained" in the pins

[hallow lynx]

im new player and got her frist ten pull

shes really good so far

[odd plume]

you need help or?

[hallow lynx]

how do i build her

and is she gonna be good for end game when i get there?

[odd plume]

should be nice still when you reach the endgame

[odd plume]

in this game you need gacha weapon for the valk to be good in the endgame

[ancient needle]

Get her signature stigs (craft them, not from gacha)

[ancient needle]

Doesn't mean that you should get her weap atp though, focus on Hi Love Elf + her weap

Badum will be a nice support for her

[odd plume]

i think there are 2 routes depend on how serious you play

[ancient needle]

The weap is whatever

[ancient needle]

ig that's true
If you really like her you could grab her weapon, but make sure you actually can go to hard pity

[odd plume]

normal route is pull HLE + her wp then save for next patch, that valk can be used to support HlE

[ancient needle]

And in that case you might not need to craft the stigs at all (stop pulling at the weap though)

[odd plume]

a more extreme route is pull that valk wp + HLE + her wp before the banner end

[ancient canopy]

it can be any of them as long as long its on the group thing of the limit?, and will i ever have to lvl up the others too? and max like 65 or 50? (and why is phys the lowest?)

[ancient needle]

1. Yes
2. In the same category no
3. 50
4. Because the 10th level of the Phys Gene Limit is an upgrade to crit rate, which is almost never being picked

[ancient needle]

Crit rate is a quite undesirable stat in general if it makes you lose out on smth else

And keep in mind that only Phys valks can crit

[odd plume]

you can start with this team

[ancient canopy]

well thats underwelming

[ancient needle]

(don't look at the ranks, you don't need to go that far with RC)

[odd plume]

just look at the character and gear, dont worry about lv and rank

so use that team, try to pull for HLE + her weapon then you can use badum to support HLE

[ancient needle]

One could argue it's a good thing

Cuz less RNG and need in external crit rate sources like AOs

[ancient needle]

Ofc this matters only for competitive players, it's not smth to worry about in your case

[ancient canopy]

if i make one of them as pri weapons does they lose the divine key status?

[ancient needle]

No

What do you want to PRI though

PRI mats are pretty expensive xdd

[odd plume]

phys and elemental valk do different things, not being able to crit affect nothing, their dmg is already high enough for what they do

[barren skiff]

I don’t see it?

[ancient needle]

#invite-links-here

[shadow tendon]

Got sparkle with free carnival pulls, how useless is she without her weap?

[ancient needle]

Depends on the valks you have in general

She loses a lot of personal damage and the timestop on her pistol attack

[odd plume]

hard to say, could be enough to get +100 in agony 3 with full team and other gear
but it's not enough to justify spending 27 prism on her stigmata

and a cope weapon

[ancient needle]

And yeah, it's not worth getting her sig weap atp imo

[odd plume]

can be used as a support but not that great, even more so without wp

[old parrot]

can anyone tell me why is that when I use HoHE, some dmg numbers have gradients while others are gray?? what does it mean

[ancient needle]

In this case it's HP loss

iirc there is an in-game tutorial about this mechanic

In other games it's sometimes called "True Damage"

The gradient numbers are just regular Ice damage

[fallen shale]

which one should I pick?

[lone crater]

tickets

[ancient needle]

Cards, doesn't really matter which

You'll technically be pulling gear more often than valks, so you can go for pink ones

[slate comet]

Hi sorry! This might sound like a dumb question but how do I get flawless benediction? Do I need to get hohe’s weapon first to get it?

[ancient needle]

It's gacha-only

[cinder nymph]

are S ranks easy to get from gacha? i got sparkle and hi elf in 10 pulls each and now im worried thats normal and i should be aiming for like.. 5 copies of them 💔

[ancient needle]

Nah, you got very lucky

Make sure to get HLE's weap btw

[shadow tendon]

damn was hoping she could be a cope support at least for qua bosses

[ancient needle]

And I mean very lucky

[outer spruce]

you don't need copies in this game either

[ancient needle]

Yeah, you could use her that way

In RL and below

[odd plume]

she can be, the problem is the cost and return

[slate comet]

so is hohe’s weapon still good for her? I can get it for free in the starter event

[ancient needle]

Not at all

[cinder nymph]

HLE？

[odd plume]

QUA content is already rare enough

[ancient needle]

Hi Love Elf

[cinder nymph]

ooh

hle wep> sparkle wep?

[ancient needle]

Keep in mind that it's not recommended to get atp

Unless you really like Elysia and are a more casual player

[ancient needle]

Yes
Don't pull Sparkle's weap at all

[fallen shale]

oh uh I got badum

[ancient needle]

Ideally you'd go for another valk on Carnival, but it is what it is

[fallen shale]

how useful is she without wep

[shadow tendon]

i have i think all valks past vita 4/4 + thelema? except sparkle of course

[ancient needle]

Can be useful as a support if you don't have any other proper options

[fallen shale]

would she be useful as a HLE support on the current cycle as it's SD shill?

[ancient needle]

Yeah, only as copium on some QUA bosses then

[cinder nymph]

i mean i can always spend the free drops on the other carnival char instead of sparkle dupes/her wep

[ancient needle]

Depends on what other gacha valks you have

[fallen shale]

PS, PAWS, FDD and HLE

[ancient needle]

(you can't pull gear with free pulls)
I assume you're a very new player, wait a bit and spend the remaining 10x on Peregrine Sword

[slate comet]

Oh alright ! Because I keep seeing people saying that the solon set won’t be useful without the benediction weapon and the only source for her bis stig rn is in reserve works

[ancient needle]

Yeah, I don't think Badum will be useful enough in this case

In MA ig? But that's it

[cinder nymph]

yea i did the tutorial nd stuff like >1 year agoand thats pretty much it 😭

[ancient needle]

Not a new acc? Tough

[cinder nymph]

it kinda is, started at lvl23 today

[ancient needle]

Yes, I meant that you don't have Starter Manual

[cinder nymph]

oh right, yea im losing my mind

[ancient needle]

Not worth restarting atp though ofc, you got too lucky

[cinder nymph]

yuppp

[shadow tendon]

i guess my question is, if i have all valks vita onwards (except sparkle) and thelema, elysia/hofi dk, is there any team that would actually benefit with having sparkle as a support? im thinking she might actually do worse overall in that case 😭

[ancient needle]

She will be worse overall, yes

The only use case is using her vs some very annoying QUA bosses as a support

Like Tonatiuh that we'll have soon

[ancient needle]

Or Kosma if talking in general

[shadow tendon]

i hope we just have a new qua valk at some point soon

lowkey dont really wanna sink all those prisms into her

[ancient needle]

Keep her stigs at lvl 35 if you don't have a massive excess of them

[ancient needle]

I'm mentioning Tona and Kosma specifically cuz it takes 7 business days to get through their QUA shields normally

Newer QUA bosses are a lot more bruteforceable

[terse blaze]

Is this reroll good? No crystals spent yet

[ancient needle]

That's pretty much jackpot

Ideally Peregrine Sword instead of Badum, but that's a nitpick

[terse blaze]

Tyy

[ancient needle]

Get HLE's weap now

[ancient needle]

Do you have an extra free 10x left on Carnival?

[terse blaze]

Wouldn't getting Badum weapon be better cause her banner will go sooner?

[terse blaze]

I spent it and got nothing (cant be used on equipment banner)

[ancient needle]

I don't think it's worth getting at all

But it's acceptable

Also keep in mind that she'll appear again on Carnival (it has 2 rounds)

But make sure you can go to hard pity if you do decide to go for it

Cuz pity from Carnival doesn't carry over to other banners

[terse blaze]

I should be able to get enough crystals since I just started

[ancient needle]

Yeah, it depends on how much you're able to play

I suggest saving up 60 pulls and only then going for it

Going close to hard pity on weap banners is common

[crystal heart]

Are there people that actually pull to SSS? That looks like it would cost like 2k

[ancient needle]

Ofc there are

Not many in EU/NA though

[fallen shale]

isn't it just for nirvana

[ancient needle]

It is

SSS transforms Nirv into RL

[ancient needle]

12S+9 to be exact

[crystal heart]

That’s crazy because she clears content so easy I can’t imagine what elf love can do at SSS

[ancient needle]

Well, I assume you're pretty low lvl, that's why it's easy

And/or in a low Abyss tier

[blazing fjord]

Hi.i new to this game.can recommend a team easy to build that can carry me throughtout story to end and event ..thanks

[crystal heart]

Yeah I’m level 40

[ancient needle]

The story uses trial characters for the most part

If events are combat-related they provide trial valks as well

[eternal spindle]

do i just use my first free 10 pull on hle?

[ancient needle]

For teams without gacha valks you can refer to this:

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[crystal heart]

What do you mean she transforms?

[ancient needle]

The team for HLE is pinned

[ancient needle]

Having maxed ranks makes Nirvana (the lvl 81+ Abyss tier for very competitive players) as easy as lvl 81+ Redlotus is

[ancient needle]

Redlotus is pretty easy if you have proper teams

[crystal heart]

Would you say the characters get out classed fast in this game?

[ancient needle]

The 10x is tied to the specific banner, so yes

[ancient needle]

They become more and more niche over time over the course of ~2 years

[eternal spindle]

is there a way to remove the black bar at the bottom when doing story stuff?

[ancient needle]

There is an option in the settings

Smth related to "hint" iirc

[ancient needle]

The ranks don't necessarily prolong the lifespan btw

[crystal heart]

That’s good to know

Thank you

[wintry wharf]

is better to take thelema 0/4 or kiana elf for an account with only hle 4/4‽

[ancient needle]

Is the acc buying BPs or nay

[wintry wharf]

no

[ancient needle]

Then Thele is almost useless

[wintry wharf]

smh ok

[ancient needle]

While Kia can be very nice if you don't have the proper AO for a team

[wintry wharf]

or iam using p1 teams

[ancient needle]

(at 3*+)

[ancient needle]

Trueing

[lone crater]

kia elf frags ur only option

then prisms ig u prob will run out of it

r u playing an alt to fund urself returnees

[old parrot]

which story gives exp faster? Part 1 or 2? (I don’t skip the story)

[ancient needle]

Part 1

[wise scroll]

I got this outfit, is it worth it to get the character aswell?

[eternal spindle]

wait did they revamped the story telling? this feels so different when i tried it out for a week a year or 2 ago

atleast for the start

[ancient needle]

Not at all

You won't have the required valks for her

[ancient needle]

Should be the same
Maybe you're misremembering when you were playing the last time?

Cuz they did rework it many years ago

You can ask in #📚honkai-lore to be certain

[eternal spindle]

huh, might have been the case
it had been a few years

[ancient needle]

Just don't scroll up

[sweet flax]

Opened the channel and now I have questions

[naive pivot]

why would you be using p1 teams in 2025

[eternal spindle]

umm so im kinda stuck on lvl 19, i cant progress because the next lvl requirement is 20 and i dont have any content to give xp

[sweet flax]

Do you have the beginner manual? This is a common issue on newer accounts that dont have it since youre missing the exp from starter event

[eternal spindle]

i dont

[sweet flax]

Well id urge you to make a new account to start with the manual (a lot of rewards are included in it)

Otherwise check if you have expeditions or chronicles unlocked you get exp from spending stamina

[eternal spindle]

is this a bug or sth?

[sweet flax]

No, you most likely logged into the game before and triggered the 90 day beginner period, even if you didnt pass the loading screen

If youre inactive during it, the manual disappears and you cant get the returnee event either

It's a fairly common issue

[eternal spindle]

damn, alright ill just make another account

[sweet flax]

You can salt your email if you dont want to make another one

To save time

[stable obsidian]

So let me get this straight P1 valks are useless and only like 5 P2 valks are used and the rest are garbage?

[viral sapphire]

i have a question

i just got a 1200 crystal box from an event thing where can i collect it?

[shadow gyro]

no
part one isn't useless especially to those who have them geared already, they're just too low of a value to get or use since soon it will be 2 years for part 2 and typically valks lasts 2 years in the meta (with small exceptions)
part 2 have a lot of valks, normally back pulling or getting old units isn't a good investment but there's one in the spending shop and theyre slowly rolling in battlepass and if you can afford it its not that bad of an idea but ask first
meanwhile newer releases have the best investment because you'll use them the most

[shadow gyro]

wdym? can you show?

[viral sapphire]

i found it

all good i shouldve read mor

still thx

[shadow gyro]

oh also pick the cards not the crystals btw

the crystals give u less

unless ur using the crystals to pull for an outfit or smth

[viral sapphire]

allright thx u

[stable obsidian]

but that basically just confirms the point wouldnt it? Like most of the characters in the game are essentially useless and only legacy players get that benefit meanwhile ive only heard good things abt only a few p2 valks being kiana, sparkle, sushang and, durandal. I dont hear anything good about characters like lantern helia coralie or thelema, they are treated as bottom of the barrel last resorts

[amber finch]

lamp yeah bottom of the barrel, but thel helia and cora?

i think you’ve heard wrong things

[stable obsidian]

not the new forms

i dont have those

[amber finch]

cora is still used in roo teams, thel literally dominated the meta scene

sparkle having good things said about her is questionable too

like yeah she’s good but ehhhh

actually she’s just ehh

[dry python]

Thank god I'm on leave I'd rather not engage in this conversation

[amber finch]

issok cay

i have been validated by a new player that im a good helper so im basically sairaan now

[amber finch]

oh btw cay new ches update: i fucking cracked my kneecaps

[amber finch]

i think that you’ve heard wrong things about the game’s meta, esp p2 meta

[stable obsidian]

so who in your op is worth

[amber finch]

new debut valks

[stable obsidian]

thats it?

[amber finch]

pulling for someone after her debut patch is very questionable

[amber finch]

thats it

fyi: “good” or “meta” doesnt necessarily equal worth pulling

[stable obsidian]

so just ignore all the good P2 valks and only pull for new ones? (im not trying to be problematic i just want to understand this)

[abstract sequoia]

you want to invest into future valks, not what's already out

[amber finch]

it depends on the account but generally for most players, you are pulling for the “future” not what’s good rn, you’re basically securing your future performance

[abstract sequoia]

because you're not getting enough resources to pull for past releases

[eternal spindle]

should i do pulls on sparkle or kiana on the carnival wish thingie

[abstract sequoia]

it's really just a pull currency economy thing

[amber finch]

i’d use the free 20 pulls on ps (sushang) if you dont have her

[abstract sequoia]

if you backpull someone older, your crystal eco is ruined for at least a patch

if not longer

!faq backpull

[small willow]

What is 'Backpulling'?

Captain! Ai-chan can help!

'Backpulling' refers to pulling a Valkyrie or her equipment (or both!) on a rerun instead of on her release.

For more information on why this is considered damaging to an account for Captains who want to pursue meta in the game, click [here](#👶beginner-help message)!

[eternal spindle]

new account, i have nothing, so do i go for sus?

[abstract sequoia]

badum and ps are recommended for new players, read the second pin

both have very good support coverage, without weapon a bit cope but still fine for new players who are just starting out

[sweet flax]

Hi ches hi ram

[abstract sequoia]

hey asu

hi

[sweet flax]

Wow fk ches didn't even reply smh

[eternal spindle]

ya, if i were to go for hle then who should i go for?

[abstract sequoia]

both

both support hle

[sweet flax]

Preferably badum for sd weathers
Otherwise ps for her niche coverage

[viral sapphire]

Whats the best method to get crystals fast for the sparkle banner im level 36 and alr 50 pulls Deep

[amber finch]

i cracked my kneecap

[sweet flax]

Crystal pin covers one time sources

[abstract sequoia]

my personal fav is badum for her other support coverage, but sushang still also has her advantages

[sweet flax]

[shadow gyro]

no it doesn't
they've still useful but not worth the investment for those who didn't get them early on because you don't have enough to afford everything, so you wanna get the best offer with your limited crystals
there are some exceptions but otherwise its better to ask to make sure
if you have a surplus you may justify a backpull but again i suggest asking before committing

half meta and casuals can just do whatever though

this advice is also mainly for high tier abyss and easy MA so you can deal with them easily, if you don't care much then less reason to worry about it

[abstract sequoia]

i know the pin is long to read, but please do so

[viral sapphire]

Uhm im german soi dont really get what u mean what exactly is this ?

[abstract sequoia]

we can go through anything you don't understand

[abstract sequoia]

Schau in die guides in den Pins

[dry python]

German jumpscare

[abstract sequoia]

da gibts einen für Crystal Farming

[viral sapphire]

Oh aso danke chef

Alright thx guys

[abstract sequoia]

bitte kein problem

[amber finch]

sauerkraut

[viral sapphire]

Yeah i hate that

[sweet flax]

Bro wanted to join in

[amber finch]

[viral sapphire]

So i just speedrun the story and do events

[abstract sequoia]

that and Elysian Realm

[amber finch]

and qmanifold too

[abstract sequoia]

with every valkyrie

you can unlock one valk in ER per week

[viral sapphire]

I need to look when im home what that is

Maybe i should switch my game to englisch to understand Everything

[abstract sequoia]

yeah i can recommend doing that

[sweet flax]

That's how I learned its very helpful

[abstract sequoia]

even if your english isn't the greatest, everything in here including the guides are also in english

[viral sapphire]

Cuz idk what u all talkin about maybe i did that alr idk but when im home and have questions i ask again xD

[sweet flax]

Doesn't help the German channels are somewhat dead, but you can always ask there if you wanna try

[abstract sequoia]

!faq er guide

[small willow]

Elysian Realm

I'm here to help, Captain!

Click here for signet guides!
-# Also see Shallow Sequence Tutorials here.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

#hilfe-und-ratschlag

[abstract sequoia]

this rose should be familiar

[viral sapphire]

Yeah i saw that thats why im here

They really put u on a grind for them pulls ngl

[abstract sequoia]

yeah, i mean it's a gacha

[sweet flax]

A lot of the eu helpers who frequent this channel are German (just check if they have the DE role on profile), so if you dont understand them another option can be asking them to go to that channel and explain in German

[viral sapphire]

Yeah but like all theyre other games are not that grindy and i play all of em

[viral sapphire]

Alr will do hopefully u guys are there later

[abstract sequoia]

ik genshin and hsr grinding and couldn't disagree more

[viral sapphire]

Hsr is free ngl so many pulls

[sweet flax]

Let's avoid getting off topic though

[viral sapphire]

But then they drop 7 banners 💀

Sorry my bad

[sweet flax]

No worries but its best to keep the channel ready in case some players are less comfortable interrupting a convo

[abstract sequoia]

that's what i meant, but i can move this over to on-topic. You should only pull on valks that came out this patch here

[viral sapphire]

Understood sorry again then

[sweet flax]

Dont need to apologise

[abstract sequoia]

also weapons are required here

[sweet flax]

[abstract sequoia]

the advantage though is no 50/50

[viral sapphire]

Uhm i mainly started cuz i got bored then i saw ma girl sparkle on banner now im in the grinds

[abstract sequoia]

you get what you're pulling for

[abstract sequoia]

ah i see

[viral sapphire]

Wait theres no 50 in hi3?

[sweet flax]

Nope

[viral sapphire]

WHAT I DIDNT INEW

[abstract sequoia]

we can make an exception for her then if you really like her

[viral sapphire]

WHATTTTTTT THATS HUGE

[abstract sequoia]

[viral sapphire]

Then some of my friends trolled me

[abstract sequoia]

you just have to plan ahead with your pulls

[viral sapphire]

I mean i have like 2 days left im on 50 pity on sprkle banner

[sweet flax]

Carnival banner works different

[viral sapphire]

….

[sweet flax]

In 2 days it will turn to vita and ps, then it will be sparkle and fws after 9 days

[abstract sequoia]

!faq supply

[small willow]

Supplies Explained

Hi, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's explanation of every single supply [here](#👶beginner-help message) and find the banner you want to know about!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

Wait I thought banners changed on Friday, is it actually 2 days

[viral sapphire]

I think so like 3 ish days maybe

[abstract sequoia]

let me check

she comes back either way

[viral sapphire]

So shes gone but not really?

[abstract sequoia]

and the pity stays until carnival is over this patch

[sweet flax]

She'll be gone for a week, then she comes back for a week

[viral sapphire]

Huh

Ok thats a wierd system ngl

[sweet flax]

It's how carnival banner works

[abstract sequoia]

#💁gameplay-help message

[viral sapphire]

So shes there now then leaves for one week and just comes back on banner?

[abstract sequoia]

here the schedule

[sweet flax]

Also if you miss her during the last week your pity resets so any crystals spent are basically gone

Hence why we never recommend spending crystals on that banner

[viral sapphire]

I uh

[abstract sequoia]

from the supply faq

[viral sapphire]

I was just on that Grind for sparkle :///

[sweet flax]

You got 2 weeks and change

That's enough for at least 20+ pulls

If you have a lot of crystal sources left it can be doable

[viral sapphire]

Where do i get the 20 pulls from tho i swear i have gotten maybe 2

[abstract sequoia]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

Abyss, elysian realm, memorial arena(barely) etc....

[viral sapphire]

Oh

[sweet flax]

Check sairaan's spreadsheet here

[viral sapphire]

Cuz it said 20 tickets

[eternal spindle]

is this worth?

[sweet flax]

Nope

[eternal spindle]

kk

[abstract sequoia]

never for anything dorm supply related

[shadow gyro]

its scam
never spend money pr crystals on dorm

[abstract sequoia]

you get these for free and dorm is a retirement home

[sweet flax]

Just realised in 2 days that offer stops appearing

Holy fk im old

[abstract sequoia]

which

[sweet flax]

The dorm tickets one

[shadow gyro]

the date in the pic

[viral sapphire]

Alr so i can just grind and pull as much as i can on sparkle with no regrets?

[abstract sequoia]

holy fuck it expires??

thank god

[sweet flax]

Inb4 they rerun it

[eternal spindle]

which one do i get?

[shadow gyro]

watch another scam replaces it

[sweet flax]

Check the first pin we have here

[sweet flax]

If beginners get battlesuit/equipment tickets instead im rioting

[shadow gyro]

assuming you just wanna get sparkle, at least make sure you can grind bf her duration in carnival ends

[abstract sequoia]

would be financially smart for them plus they have that anyway

[viral sapphire]

So after the next wekk shes there ?

So I Grind now then shes gone and comes back then i pull all out again

[eternal spindle]

it's a bit lengthy, this is a brand new account so there's nothing much going on, do i just save it until a later date?

[sweet flax]

November 7 - Sushang and Vita
November 14 - Kiana and Sparkle again

November 21, banners are gone

[abstract sequoia]

i think the schedules should be in the News section ingame

[viral sapphire]

Can u look in german chat rq? In a sec

[sweet flax]

Can't save it, if event ends you lose it

[eternal spindle]

so what do u reccomend i get?

[sweet flax]

Tl;dr of the pin
Hohe will be a bit more beneficial early on for a beginner, if you plan to get her dkey (not recommended) her value skyrockets over hotr

However since in the past whenever we got a free unit this usually means they get a resurgence later on
This is very copeful thinking and can be the best decision you made or the worst decision of your accounf

Its up to you if you wanna gamble the risks either way for a beginner they have the same value and cover the same niche of being an ice dps (hotr being able to support fire and lightning as a bonus which beginners have no valks of either at the moment)

[eternal spindle]

hmm im a lot more comfortable with hohe because when i used to play it was her first run so i have a bit of experience with her, but the coverage is something i might need
no idea what to go for ngl

[sweet flax]

Personally if im not planning on picking up hohe dkey for sure, id rather go with hotr

It's mainly based on the decisions you know you'll make

[eternal spindle]

im going for hle anyways so probably not getting hohe dkey

but still idk

[sweet flax]

Hohe has different roles from hle

But either way neither will benefit her (unless hohe has dkey)

Feel free to think about it before the event ends

And ask if theres anything you need clarification on

[eternal spindle]

is the starter manual rewards enough to get everything in the training shop?

[sweet flax]

Was training shop the one with jk and the stigmatas?

If so, then yes

Theres also a pin that goes over it

#👶beginner-help message

[dry shadow]

What can Sparkle be used for without her signature weapon?

[sweet flax]

Mainly as a dust collector on a shelf, competitively speaking
She is too reliant on her weapon since a large majority of her kit's utility and dps is locked behind it

[dry shadow]

Alright, thanks

[bronze linden]

after i get the new elysias weap who should i go for next?

[odd plume]

mostly just save for next patch, unless you have horb then you can get her new wp

[still ether]

Hello! In the box to choose 5x Battlesuit Supply, 5x Equipment Supply, or 1200 crystals, am I right to assume the 1200 crystals is not enough if the 5 pull value is supposed to be 1400?

[sweet flax]

Yes 1200 crystals are basically a scam out of 200 crystals unless you need them for smth like skin gacha

So preferably stick to the supply cards

[tidal jackal]

idk where to put this but what weapon do i get?

[sweet flax]

Either get soeae or save the box

[odd plume]

you are missing too much for 1 dkey to really matter
can save the box for later, we may get more free dkey and you wouldnt want to get dupe

[dark ember]

hey i’m coming back to the game after a long while, is the new elysia a good pickup? or should i save my pity/xtals for someone else

[odd plume]

if you can get her + her wp, yes

not easy for a returnee

[wintry wharf]

how i unlock the first 2 maps ?

[odd plume]

lv50 for both, but you also need to clear samsara story first to unlock HQ

[zenith vale]

Hi, I’m new to the hi3 and I’m considering on spending. So today I looked more into BP and I found out the currency crystella actually expires

Is it still worth going for the advanced or premium for this season’s BP? How many more patches before the season rotates?

[wintry wharf]

ah they forgot to write that k

[odd plume]

you mean this?

[lyric anvil]

1. The pink ones don't expire
2. If you do buy BP, knight more worth getting than Paladin

[zenith vale]

Oh yes! I typo’d it out of unfamiliarity

Oh really?? They don’t expire? @_@ I must’ve read some outdated info then

[odd plume]

BP ball dont expire anymore

[lyric anvil]

Yes

Green ones we use to have did expire

[zenith vale]

I’m ngl. It’s really really hard to find updated info. I’m glad this channel exists

Ty guys

[odd plume]

just ask everything here

[lyric anvil]

[odd plume]

make sure they you know what you are spending for

[zenith vale]

What about starter supply? Is it still 5050 or is it now guaranteed? Cause I checked the details and I don’t see 2 valks, just whichever is the one I’m highlighting on

I’m not playing for meta atm so no worries on powercreep. I’m aware it exists

[odd plume]

just ignore starter banner,, it's bad

and yes, it's 5050

if you just want to get what you like, wait for their rerun

[zenith vale]

Aw. Potentially no Songque to use the skin with 🥲

[lyric anvil]

Old starter banner was
Now it's just separate banners for the two there

[shell basin]

^

Still bait tho

[zenith vale]

Oh wait so it guaranteed?

[odd plume]

oh, didnt know that

[shell basin]

Anyway songkek will be in BP on a couple of patches

[lyric anvil]

Changed between patches

[shell basin]

So if you’re buying knight

You can just get her then

No need for crystals

Probably 2 patches?

[lyric anvil]

Don't know when but when I started playing, I had a HoRb/Luna starter banner then I believe Sena's and Songque's, these two of course separate banners

[zenith vale]

Wait does that mean the BP shop changes selection?

[lyric anvil]

Yes, if you hard pity something, you're getting what you see

[zenith vale]

I had fun with trial Kiana flame and finality and mei origin. I was thinking of collecting those 3 eventually via the bp shop

Do they rotate out?

[lyric anvil]

Those three are permanently in bp I believe

[abstract sequoia]

reserve works is static and doesn't rotate out

[zenith vale]

Phheeew

[abstract sequoia]

there's only more stuff added

[zenith vale]

Thankkkks

[abstract sequoia]

you can get Flamescion from war treasury btw

[zenith vale]

Wow this game is nice, I get to collect older units without needing a banner

[lyric anvil]

Was about to mention that haha

[abstract sequoia]

buy the full valk though, not the fragments

the price between both is 1:1 and youre just delaying her for multiple weeks if you go fragments

thats the case for every wt valk

[shell basin]

Only exception is if you have fragments already and even then it’s questionable

[odd plume]

basically every unit will become "farmable" at some point
we dont talk about that one collab valk

[abstract sequoia]

no lets talk about Asuka

[lyric anvil]

She's never coming back

[abstract sequoia]

that's more a licensing reason

!faq collab

[small willow]

Collab Valkyries

Confused, Captain?

We have 3 collab Valkyries - who can receive a rerun?

Evangelion

• Asuka will never rerun unless there is a second Evangelion collab. This is due to legal restrictions as Asuka is not HoYo's character.

HoYoverse Collabs

• Genshin:
  • Fischl is available via the Asterite Shop.
  • Keqing was playable in an event but was never a battlesuit, therefore she was only playable during the collab itself.
• Star Rail:
  • Sparkle will rerun just like a normal S-Rank Valkyrie.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[lyric anvil]

They can bring back sparkle as much as they want but not Asuka

[abstract sequoia]

yes

!faq sparkle

[small willow]

Sparkle HonkaiStarRail

Battlesuits and Tutorials

• S-Rank: Thousand-Faced Maestro: Cameo!

Outfits

• Thousand-Faced Maestro: Cameo!: Ficticious Game

Wallpapers

• Thousand-Faced Maestro: Cameo!

[abstract sequoia]

running in carnival right now, not recommended unless you go against meta and don't mind bricking your account for not that many upsides long-term

[lyric anvil]

There is a pin for carnival if they want to look at it

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

[daring umbra]

I have Ely so should I roll Kiana or Hanabi?

[lyric anvil]

#👶beginner-help message

[simple remnant]

What do people recommend to do with dupes of prism stigmata?

Got a bunch of the hle stigmata

[shadow gyro]

salvage for prisms, thats the only use

but before you do that, keep the one with the best affixes or double affixes

[simple remnant]

Thats what i thought but i said "better ask 1st than salvaging something useful"

[shadow gyro]

of each type

[shadow gyro]

yeah you did right 👍

[simple remnant]

OH- if ive already leveled them up? -

[shadow gyro]

well if you leveled one of each then no use

just salvage the unleveled ones u don't use

[simple remnant]

Okey okey, tysm

[shadow gyro]

that was just a suggestion if you didn't level em

[simple remnant]

I leveled up the ones on my hle

But the others not sjsjjs

Im getting her weapon today! (I HOPE SO-)