👶beginner-help

[abstract sequoia]

and whats SP restore on besides ult?

reign solaris

[wraith brook]

[abstract sequoia]

child dudu

[upbeat egret]

We restore sp with sus weapon activ in SO

[wraith brook]

iknow, need to be sure i uderstand< not know we use RS with PAWS

[wraith brook]

sus?

[abstract sequoia]

so you do WA on RS for sp

[upbeat egret]

No

[wraith brook]

sry

i better re try with ref guess

[upbeat egret]

Sushang or ps

[abstract sequoia]

so she only has ult for regen?

that's just... sad

[upbeat egret]

Its not sad tho

[abstract sequoia]

idk less flexible for no reason

[upbeat egret]

Its not like we need two support WA in SO

She worked fine but provide less buffs

[abstract sequoia]

i know, but lets assume we have RS and PS only as PAWS support. you could skip PS wa if RS is faster with it

[wraith brook]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

i did that already in MA vs Sampo, using Badum WA instead

[wraith brook]

i still not uderstnad what the sp -1 reduce

[faint wasp]

should I invest on the jk that the training plan gives? (i.e crafting stigmatas for her) since I don't have anything with the beginner acc anyway

[abstract sequoia]

you can craft turgenev tb for her

[upbeat egret]

Don't bother with it...just add one more basic if you are missing sp

[wraith brook]

so, we need roll affix with SP regen?

[abstract sequoia]

its a good stigmata set that you will probably keep using for MA later

[wraith brook]

just, dont undestadn how get sp without WA FWS in AO

[faint wasp]

what for m?

[shadow gyro]

no its just a suggestion if you already have it

[wraith brook]

that thing

[quick birch]

you can put some generic support stigmata for her but you won't really use her outside of MA

[abstract sequoia]

don't forge M, only useful on Haxxor Bunny who is long powercrept

[quick birch]

even then only if you have some sort of Ice DPS

[upbeat egret]

I didn't see the ref but I assume he doesn't do two WA with support right?

[shadow gyro]

just keep her with bio attack and crossbow attack affixes as usual

[wraith brook]

not sure, but i rly dont see differense in this 2 ref

[shadow gyro]

its alr

[faint wasp]

I think the reason behind why I'm even considering on investing in her is because there might be ice weather but as of now there really isn't any right?

[wraith brook]

thye both uses only if not i see thing

wait min i sedn this

[abstract sequoia]

see the budget stigmata list for more options

[storm lantern]

beach party mei i think is the name but its kind of expensive, 6k stig reso and you only get a few hundred a week

can ignore it

[upbeat egret]

Can you send ref again?

[quick birch]

even then it would be better to just bruteforce since you don't really have a good ice dps iirc

[abstract sequoia]

honestly, just combine jst M with it

[wraith brook]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nE7bzyEYm/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1oT7tzAENr/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9

[upbeat egret]

Which one do you want to do?

[quick birch]

also about crafting turg i would really only do it if you have an access of ether fuel always keep at least 1200 in the tank in case you need to craft the stigmatas of a new unit

[wraith brook]

im not sure. as i said they both same for me

Do same movment

[storm lantern]

i also don't know if i'd build stuff for MA before dkeys

[faint wasp]

I think I'll keep that in mind, considering that there's a chance I'll pull for fdd

[abstract sequoia]

the thing is turg helped me a lot early

[upbeat egret]

If you want to use ely on flower..then the ref with ely support is useless

[storm lantern]

abyss and fhp you can skip for a while but the other ones are nice to have

[abstract sequoia]

more than any dk bonus would

[wraith brook]

what the ely supp?

[quick birch]

it's still hella expensive and nothing a beginner can really afford

and they still need lightning gene limit

[abstract sequoia]

i guess thats true

fhm cope can only go so far however..

at least gluttony t is a good piece

[wraith brook]

u told me or someone else?

[quick birch]

MA is a long term thing anyway beginners won't really have a chance to genuenly compete there until they have a few established teams

imo it's a bit too early for turg

[faint wasp]

where can u get gluttony t? I remember getting it from an event on my last acc

[abstract sequoia]

i mean im also thinking of early Abyss cope when their teams aren't complete yet

[abstract sequoia]

foundry, just use the filter and select basic stigmata

Theresa: Gluttony

all you need to forge it is SI Imaginon

[wraith brook]

mango

[quick birch]

that's me

[abstract sequoia]

which you get plenty of through story and chronicles

[wraith brook]

A u busy?

[upbeat egret]

Wait both are using sus support... well you can use sus+ badum weapon in SO then

[quick birch]

not really

[wraith brook]

So i Anyway use 2-WA in AO?

[shadow gyro]

oh btw why not use paws wp in SO instead? isnt that faster
i do notice both refs using fws wp tho

[wraith brook]

not sure if this hekp understnad

[upbeat egret]

Normally we only need one when enough sp but if not you can add some basic or use two

[wraith brook]

guess so, i use it, but wonder if i can thing faster like, use AO om someone else then go in Heliia to +sp, but that not work in MA

[shadow gyro]

i have seen that used but im not sure if its helpful here

[upbeat egret]

You are missing a lot of attack you will probably need more basic in SO

[quick birch]

idt they can actually utilise turg that much, 6 sec is barely anything and even if they would extend it to 12 seconds that's really just not long enough for any actual paws combo

[abstract sequoia]

yea you're right..

unless you use a valk that uses effects that stay on the field. I can't think of any that support lightning though

except wolf dawn? xd

[wraith brook]

Want ask about Skip WA or not using it at all,
U told me about that when it was boss where we just punch him, but u told we need use WA only for ARI and only for OPening.
Can u told more abou this?
Or i can try find that u talk me, for more understandable thing, im still want know more to undestand how or what u mean.

[abstract sequoia]

who needs SS for her passive elemental buff

and its not even high

[wraith brook]

probbaly, but guess i can finisht it with ULT in the end of AO,
I mean after 2 CA

[upbeat egret]

You can try ...you know your damage better than us xD

[wraith brook]

better record this clear and see what i have

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[wraith brook]

well only thing is terryfing is SP lack , like about 20-30 thing

guess MA have other rule and i cant just Use Swap or start from AO from other to get this SP

better just use WA on PAWS

[quick birch]

which wa exactly PS' WA ? Ps 2. WA where she does that slash with her sword has 2 main purposes

• trigger stellar drain
• Regen SP in SO for paws
  Other than that ps normal WA that is normally triggered by her qte also activates her buffs.

i can elaborate more if you want

[upbeat egret]

You can try to qte in with helia after sus ult for more sp..

You enter SO with paws-> spam ult until big punch-> sus ult-> helia qte-> badum ult+weapon-> helia qte stuff+ finisher

[quick birch]

i prob said that we don't need to press WA in the context of ps already triggered her stellar drain and we just want

• her buffs to be re activated
  or
• her resetting paws switch CD with her ult

[wraith brook]

m, i try this one
But use WA PS, and still need about 5 SP mb with FWS would be better

[wraith brook]

wait, do we need WA after QTE i mean, m to do

[upbeat egret]

Try to record if you can

[quick birch]

that really depends on the situation you're in

are you in a LoA or GoI team ?
has ps already triggered stellar drain ?
are you in SO or outside of it ?
etc.
the list goes on

Hi3 is very situational and you can't really say you should always do this and that it's best to understand what the move actually does

[wraith brook]

u said we can just refresh buff with QTE and we dont need WA and skip it rigth?
I mean u have Stellar drain alredy( not in this moment video but), and WA im talk about it thing that gave us other 2 stripes(?)(wich we recive when enemy hit with QTE guess)
I guess I got a little confused myself.

[quick birch]

yeah PS' qte already refreshes her buff though in this screenshot it seems like that's the beginning of the fight so if i do another WA her i probably did it for stellar drain. Or is your question something else ?

[wraith brook]

Okay in situation as we ALREDY have Stellar drain, do we need press WA?
I mean if QTE Trigger buff, and we have alredy have ARI from WA.
And probbaly most thing confuses me, its how we activate other QTE? Or how we do movment to after QTE PS we can swap on other with QTE since we "cant" use WA bc, we have buff from QTE and get ARI alredy?

I'm sorry, I can't get my thoughts together.

[quick birch]

maybe if you're in a LoA team you want to reset your leaders switch cooldown then you need to press her WA otherwise no. Also her qte should activate other qte most of the let's take fws for an example. Her qte activates when teammtes cast WA, ult or when the time is slowed down, since PS' qte triggers her first WA automatically FWS qte will also be triggered by that

[green gale]

I was wanting to craft the the middle one but I need 300 more of the green material

I'm not sure if I'm able to go far in ice fire and physical stages, should I farm lightning stage with her?

[wraith brook]

oh, we do here WA with PS, im blidng

[wraith brook]

hm so i need right figure out, i mean if I dont have ult, on her so dont use her in case i play PAWS, and it in way where first i Use FWS.
Guess i understand more or less

[quick birch]

i dont really see the image clearly but from what im seeing ps only has half of her bar so you prob don't press WA again. Which ref is that i'd want to take a closer look at it so that i can give you an actual answer

[wraith brook]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nE7bzyEYm/?vd_source=0c55e9eeea7f01cd7949940b979fafe9 this one

Not sure how make ling with timer

not know*

[storm lantern]

if you only care about ether fuel farm f6 with tsp or 5/6/7 without tsp

[wraith brook]

but as i see it do wiouth qte and just press WA

[upbeat egret]

For stellar drain yes

[storm lantern]

unsure if you have coralie and her weapon but pick those up from the beginning of p2 story

[wraith brook]

Wait, so PS is LoA leader right?

[quick birch]

yeah

[wraith brook]

oh

i should not use ca in the end

[green gale]

Sorry I don't know what that is

Also should I craft a weapon for her (89/150 AE mat)

This

[wraith brook]

its better but huh

wait i fell i miss smth

[wraith brook]

i misss Swap

sadly i miss everthing

Cant do stellar drain

[plucky fulcrum]

Is this worth trying to upgrade the stigmata I currently have equipped?

[wraith brook]

* ok i solve it
guess im too fast do WA

[shadow gyro]

p2 stig dupes are only useful for the prisms so yeah
are you pulling next patch? you may consider having some cubes for the next valk

[plucky fulcrum]

I mostly just care for Lantern at the moment. I really like her character even tho I haven't even seen her story yet tho her gameplay is amazing

[shadow gyro]

before the transition just use a basic or 2

[wraith brook]

oh

u mean

[shadow gyro]

that's fine, at least for the m piece keep it at level 1 (5 star) to save some resources since the upgrade doesn't give you attack

[wraith brook]

oh u about paws

[shadow gyro]

this one

[abstract sequoia]

that might be the fastest minigame solve

[shadow gyro]

im not sure if you need to spam ps in the transition tho

[thick bolt]

It won't be much of an upgrade compared to default but if you have at least 9 honkai shards then it's imo fine to get. Don't level it past lvl 35 though since that also costs shards for minor improvement (though if you know what you're doing go ahead)

[wraith brook]

sadly i get confuses about what to do next since my Helia in CD
And even with ult PS and AO PS , next swap from ps to paws, i miss somewhere and decide to restart

[abstract sequoia]

that's why you stall minigame a bit

do 1 failed attempt

like i said previously, timer is frozen in transition

your CDs aren't

also you can just farm the remaining ARI with paws

not needing to switch at all

[shadow gyro]

personally i would do fws qte hold attack quickly, dodge the attack from the failed attempt, do the second card, wait, then do the last card at the last second (with ps maybe?)

or wait is it faster to do the last card with paws so u can SO immediately?

[abstract sequoia]

yes it is

[wraith brook]

guess so

just so funny timing and im not ready for this

[shadow gyro]

do some practice rounds first

[wraith brook]

Do 728 with this

[upbeat egret]

You just need to hit the wrong card with ps WA

[wraith brook]

for what?

[shadow gyro]

the transition so you don't need to restart every time you do a mistake

to prepare yourself when you wanna do the full run

[abstract sequoia]

just go real run, you can restart at the end too

[shadow gyro]

i was thinking to get used to the trasition

[abstract sequoia]

only clicking finalize will make the attempt used

[wraith brook]

oh well, guess its little hard to do that timing again.
and better do 1 fail with drain and then do right card

[abstract sequoia]

then might as well do it in real run, so if you get an ultra-instinct run you won't have to do it twice

[shadow gyro]

alrighty

[plucky fulcrum]

So should I use all of the dupes or save some for other characters?

[abstract sequoia]

saved me probably hours, because the way my runs usually go is one really good run within my first few attempts

if i want a better score, i usually mald for hours

[wraith brook]

what u talk about

[shadow gyro]

well since you wanna use lamp then use them bc u wanna upgrade the stigs, but if you're pulling next patch i would reserve some prisms
as for the p2 stig dupes feel free to salvage all

[abstract sequoia]

both Abyss and MA

[shadow gyro]

can include the stig boxes if you don't need any of the stigs esp if ur low on prisms

[quick birch]

prism stigmatas are mostly restricted to a single character and not usefull for any other char

they always include a clause that's like if equiped by x valkyrie gain 90% of the actual buffs

[shadow gyro]

for niche cases like you wanna do stress test or er leveling with an ungeared valk, you can temporarily steal the leveled stigs you have then give them back, the p2 stig dupes aren't worth leveling

[plucky fulcrum]

Thank you for all the advice!

[wraith brook]

https://youtu.be/TNX9EnTIpkk?si=x88XGFgLNqORXAQ5 @upbeat egret here. not sure if i can speed up myself

[upbeat egret]

1-You can add helia weapon activ before finisher
2- you were a bit slow at the beginning with kiana charged attack
3- after you get two right cars with sus in transition switch to helia and set the 3 right card with SO buttons to save time
4- when you qte in with sushang.. press WA+ult for a fast ult

[wraith brook]

4-st u mean spam?
I see teammate say we need spam for it work

And 1st in what moment u mean?

[upbeat egret]

You don't really need to spam tbh...you need to press them at the right timing

1- in p2 right before helia finisher you can add the weapon activ

3

You need to see if you have enough damage to do it...you can give it a try

[wraith brook]

u about 3rd?

[wraith brook]

So i understand this when i dont see not long qte animation?

[upbeat egret]

Yes

[wraith brook]

how Can i know if i have not enough or enought dmg?

[upbeat egret]

Example

[upbeat egret]

By testing

You do a run with SO at last card and see how much left hp you have

[wraith brook]

again not give ari

[wooden karma]

Can I know if hi3 only have 2 servers cause I only see America and Europe

[odd plume]

that is client or app for GLB, to play on other server, you need to download other client

check the pin in #🔌technical-help for other download link

[quick birch]

if you downloaded it through hoyoplay you can also change the client there

[wraith brook]

why

sry

I hit 3 times in row all 3 card with WA and make ari, but i cant do that with 1 card only

sry i better take break.
i can hit 1 card with wa but hit in timing all 3 and idk

[upbeat egret]

Nice

[wraith brook]

oh well

i forgot to unequip it

ok i try with nirv Medal

huh

[sand ocean]

Why cant I go to open world

I dont even see it

[wraith brook]

waht ur lvl?
not sure but it can locked before lvl

[sand ocean]

level 37

[wraith brook]

[quick birch]

Sakura samsara should unlock at level 50

[wraith brook]

Mango

[ancient needle]

While APHO unlocks at lvl 40

[wraith brook]

can u expalin me, how i stellar drain that

[ancient needle]

Though the unlocking requirements are probs different on an old acc

[quick birch]

like what stellar drain is or are we still talking about the sampo fight ?

[wraith brook]

sampo

bc idk i use WA and then just failed card, but not Ari

[quick birch]

the important thing here should be that you spam WA after sus qte so that her WA that's casted from the qte doesnt hit the cards

[wraith brook]

or just hit 3 card and cant properly swap on paws

[quick birch]

iirc once the cards are hit they are not targetable anymore so stellar drain doesnt triggger

[wraith brook]

oh

so QTE do dmg and that why i cant get ari from WA?

[quick birch]

afaik yeah once they stop spinning sus shouldnt be able trigger stellar drain anymore

[wraith brook]

that rly strange from my opinion. bc i wait a bit before and then get all 3 card from 1 wa

uh, mb i better send this moment

[sand ocean]

thanks

one more ting

[wraith brook]

OH I CAN DO IT

[sand ocean]

what 2 pick

[wraith brook]

[ancient needle]

!faq whatdkey

[small willow]

Which DKey should I claim first?

Hello, Captain!

Also check out the Divine Key explanation pin [here](#👶beginner-help message) if anything mentioned (such as "gene limit") is confusing/unknown to you.

In the long run it doesn't matter, but the ideal order is:
1 - Grips of Tai Xuan (gloves, cope glove weapon and ice gene limit).
2 - Cleaver/Judgement of Shamash (guns/greatsword, need both to sync for +10 attack and fire gene limit).
3 - Jizo Mitama (katana, phys gene limit attached to it).
4 - Star of Eden (cannon, has no attached gene limit it just exists).

[wraith brook]

uh guess it max i can get
Mb a little more, but since i do it with nirv and same result with ER medal
I want brake

[wraith brook]

https://youtu.be/q7rLus4S-7I?si=EtmgBw4PySl1SxxS that not from this screenshot, but same result with nirv, mb u can still find what i have bad
And probbaly tomorov if i have wisht i try to do best again

[sand ocean]

so as a new player what is best for rn

[ancient needle]

The list is ordered

So Grips

[lyric anvil]

Gloves pretty good cope for TA
Don't know if you still get Neb

[ancient needle]

You do

[lyric anvil]

Ah
I made the mistake of salvaging them

[wraith brook]

how much i can do with RS team on Flower?

[upbeat egret]

The run looks fine tho

I don't see any mistake

[wraith brook]

hohoh
tahnks

[abstract sequoia]

this also looks flawless to me

great job

[wraith brook]

flawless

[sweet flax]

do you have teri?

the RS scores I saw on the leaderboard got within the 39800-39900 range

[ancient needle]

They don't

[sweet flax]

then expected to be significantly lower

[wraith brook]

but not so low
its about 600

if i have time and other stuff i try to record and work out for flower

[wraith brook]

but whay they?

[quick birch]

They is just a neutral way to refer to someone

can be used for a group or a single person

[wraith brook]

Oh, thanks
always accept it like- for group ppl no 1 person

[shadow gyro]

if u want to be referred to in a different way feel free to say
also good job ur run is great

[wraith brook]

thnaks u

Just wonder why , m, want a little improve eng

U can referred me as conveniently

[pallid vortex]

Hi guys is there like a guide for building Coralie the Rank A Valkyrie?

[sweet flax]

you get her signature weapon for free from story, and in the future you can consider crafting her signature stigs when possible (not necessary to rush)

[pallid vortex]

Ok thx so i guess she is easy to build i already have those stigma fully upgraded and got her weapon as for signature i guess as you said i will try when i can since they cost that cube material and iam low due to using alot of it on Vita btw i got duplicate of Vita Stigmata what should i do with them?

[sweet flax]

dupe p2 stigs can be converted to source prisms

since all the buffs are locked behind their valk

[pallid vortex]

So i should convert them then ?

[sweet flax]

if they are dupes ye

[pallid vortex]

Thx

[upper oracle]

How well does trio score on current abyss? RL

[odd plume]

should be pretty bad, nothing to shot the weakspot

[upper oracle]

What weak spot

[abstract sequoia]

if you have neither badum nor hoh, its alright

[upper oracle]

Neither sadly

I'm assuming fov is worse than trio?

[abstract sequoia]

a spot at the back of the cannon that can be shot with bow users

[upper oracle]

Ah

[abstract sequoia]

fov is type countered

[upper oracle]

Yea 😔

I cope with tuna then

[abstract sequoia]

what are your ranks there?

maybe its enough for safe retain

[upper oracle]

Bricked
S0 tuna ss HoO s2 hotr

[abstract sequoia]

wym bricked, its a bit mixed but workable

[abstract sequoia]

hotr s2 is the most important one for the extra sp

and you got that

[upper oracle]

Okok perfect

[abstract sequoia]

and s2 hoo for less eva cd

[upper oracle]

Oki

[abstract sequoia]

hofi is just dps improvement, you got all the utility ranks

[upper oracle]

Icic tysm

[fallen furnace]

Is pulling for dupes worth it as f2p

[pallid vortex]

Hi guys can i get a spreadsheet for Gloria's build The A Rank Valkyrie Quantum type

[quick birch]

dupes as in ranks or synergies ? no

[outer spruce]

no

[quick birch]

it's far more worth it to invest into multiple teams so that you can bruteforce/have a good team for most situations

[fallen furnace]

And how many crystals do u get per patch as f2p

[quick birch]

~20k depends on your abyss rank and how long the patch is

a beginner can afford a valk + weapon in 2 patches b2b though

[pallid vortex]

Hi guys can i get a spreadsheet for Gloria's build The A Rank Valkyrie Quantum type

[quick birch]

there's not really a spreadsheet for that or something like that if you want to know some beginner team options check this out

[pallid vortex]

Oh ok then thx

[outer spruce]

trio does okay

[upper oracle]

What investment? I only score 680

[upper oracle]

Would only 3* batslana and S0 hofi be a 100 score gap

[quick birch]

no

ofc there can be an base atk gap too

[upper oracle]

[outer spruce]

here's mine

[upper oracle]

Hmmm

OK I'm off by like 60 attack

[upper oracle]

Do u mind recording your rotation?

[outer spruce]

yeah sure

[upper oracle]

[outer spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDwZA5a5xxw

i started kinda late with hotr by accident

[ancient needle]

Why is it bass-boosted

[outer spruce]

doesn't sound bass boosted to me, i didn't even try to compress it this time

[upper oracle]

Tysm

[storm lantern]

like everyone said, no, but there are astralops which while not worth it below nirvana are your best option after getting everyone s0+1, like with valks don't backpull them though

[pallid vortex]

Hi guys i have a question i have a returner account whis is lvl 80 i lately returned to play and i got Vita and her stuff from weapons and stigmata so i was reading in the pinned comments and i saw that the start of a new account is recommended most of the cases so just to be sure can i show you my account and see if it worth leaving and starting a new one or just keeping on it

[sweet flax]

are you familiar with the reason new accounts are recommended? also vita at this moment is not a recommendable pull

[pallid vortex]

Well iam not entirely sure the pinned comment said because of the massive rewards plus i got Vita Early actually like 20 on the banner and 3 on her weapon

[sweet flax]

how many crystals do you have right now

[pallid vortex]

1400

[sweet flax]

that's not enough for upcomming content, you are gonna be more behind than you already are, and vita wont help with that

the issue with older accounts is that everything is more focused towards p2 and its astral rings, p1 units cant help that and are too old to compete with the newer units

[pallid vortex]

So i should restart i guess but a quick question which if i restarted like now can i get Vita on the new account i really liked her and if getting her on the new account will it makes it like similar to the old one or will it stay better than my old account even if i spent alot on Vita

[sweet flax]

to be honest depends on your goals, while vita herself isnt as bad of a unit, if you have competitive goals it will delay you

if you REALLY want vita you can argue a case for personal preference

[pallid vortex]

Ok so just to be clear i wnat Vita regardless old or new account so my question is if i started a new one will it be better tahn my old one if lets say i didn't get lucky and needed to hit the pity

[sweet flax]

100%

although in that case I would suggest rerolling for vita

[pallid vortex]

How to reroll 🤔

[sweet flax]

in the pulling pin, there's a guide

[pallid vortex]

Ok thx 😊👍🏻

[lone kindle]

pls never use this faq, too preasuring for people to rerroll

@pallid vortex theres no need to rerroll, if you are a casual player its only going to hurt more than it will do

[lone kindle]

and no

!faq pullvita

[small willow]

Vita

Despite being a must-pull on her release, Vita is no longer recommended to pull for.

This is due to a combination of factors:

• New releases take priority.
• Vita cannot support Grail of Infinitude or future ring types.
• She is not best in Wheel of Destiny teams unless ranked.
• In Law of Ascension teams, she is typically not BiS but it depends on the boss/team.
• Vita DPS relies heavily on HoFi (with Waxing Moon equipped) and is not shilled frequently.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[sweet flax]

my guy, he wants vita regardless

im suggesting he restarts on a new account since his old account has nothing

in favor of better rewards and start

[lone kindle]

still, you need to take into consideration if the player is a casual player or wants to go competitive

[sweet flax]

.

[sweet flax]

.

I am aware

[lone kindle]

the new account will also have nothing

[sweet flax]

it will have a better crystal income for the upcomming patches compared to a returnee with only 1.4k crystals

[lone kindle]

i already mentioned him the other day about rerrolling and that it may not be a good option for him

[lone kindle]

starter bonus is getting removed also

[sweet flax]

huh?

I havent heard of any changes to the beginner manual or story rewards

[lone kindle]

ive been hearong of people opening new accounts and not having starter manual

[sweet flax]

was it on global?

[lone kindle]

and besides, the problem in here, is using the " you should restart your account"

too agresive

i dont know how we have not edited this by now

[sweet flax]

I suggested restarting your account, and I wont sugarcoat it, a fresh start is definitely better than what he has right now

[storm lantern]

it's not intended lol

[spiral badge]

i personally prefer not to use the faq, but if other people are using it and the recipient isn't taking it poorly i don't see the issue

[sweet flax]

whether or not he restarts is his choice which I mentioned

and I also clarified that it will only matter should he have competitive goals

[lone kindle]

its not only his choice, how you expose the problem to him will also count

[spiral badge]

anyway i do think it's important to lay out the options here so introducing the idea of restarting is fine. just don't encourage it strongly

[lone kindle]

[storm lantern]

they did specifically ask if it would be better than their old one so i dont understand the problem with saying that

[spiral badge]

i kinda want to start over a couple of topics here because i feel we're getting too deep into this on the wrong foot

[sweet flax]

@pallid vortex im just gonna retype everything because im getting lost

restarting your account or not is your choice and should only matter if you have competitive goals, if you are a casual player, you can completely ignore this, and that is not a problem
now, before we discuss anything further would you kindly mention whether or not you have competitive goals so that we can properly discuss how to move forward in your favor
I am sorry if I came off as aggressive in urging you to restart should you have felt that way

[lone kindle]

o already talked yo him the other day

and he said hes not competitive

[sweet flax]

could you have led with that next time

[spiral badge]

alright alright now that we're caught up let's be progressive

[lone kindle]

i mean...

[sweet flax]

oh-

[spiral badge]

that's too vague though. the key point we needed to know was they weren't competitive

[storm lantern]

it's not really only about competitive vs casual it's about time investment for gacha currency

[spiral badge]

did you already clear up the benefits of being competitive sencho? with abyss and crystal income?

[pallid vortex]

Well taht is a very good question actually whta is the competitive gameplay anyway 🤔?

[lone kindle]

the other day i mentioned the main modes of getting xtals, and one of them being abyss, but i dont think i explicitely mentioned abyss is competitive

[sweet flax]

abyss focused, aiming for the higher ranks (mainly redlotus, and nirvana in the future if possible)

[lone kindle]

to make it short, you fight bosses for the quiquest time

then the bests times get more xtals and get ptomoted

[spiral badge]

you guys are missing a critical detail and that is competing against other players

[outer spruce]

level 81+ abyss is competitive

[lone kindle]

theres comettiive below 80 soooo

[sweet flax]

ye competitive vs a 2 minute timer

[spiral badge]

yes but at the long term you'll reach the pvp aspect

[pallid vortex]

Is this the abyss?

[outer spruce]

qmanifold isn't competitive

[spiral badge]

yes

[lone kindle]

yes it is

[sweet flax]

this is the abyss before breaking through

[lone kindle]

q manifold IS competitive

[sweet flax]

once you breakthrough you will be in superstring dimension, where you compete vs other players for the higher score (aka who cleared the fastest)

[pallid vortex]

Oh yeah when it became agony or whatever i couldn't do any damage

[sweet flax]

rather than vs a 2 minute clock

[lone kindle]

its better for him to hold on breaking through

[sweet flax]

there's a variety of reasons for that, main ones being lack of units (or improper teambuilding), lack of gear or lack of the proper rotation

[lone kindle]

asa you lurker

[pallid vortex]

Well i have the Herrscher of Void weopns and two of her stigmata probably can get the third via the Red currency you get from dissolving rare stigmata

[sweet flax]

atp you would be using your vita not hov

much stronger unit

[spiral badge]

for now this mode is simply about clearing the enemies and stages enough for rewards

eventually you'll have to contest against other players for high scores in how quickly you can clear the final stage. This is why keeping up with new releases and playing well matters

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you can try taking a quick peek at the spreadsheet link here

[pallid vortex]

Oh welltaht just perfect then i didn't have Vita last time so i wasn't sure if she can handle it

[lone kindle]

talking about it, did teammate update it?

[spiral badge]

roughly speaking excluding one time sources from story and events, a regular player can get 2000 crystals a week

you can see abyss can become half of that income, which is why it's important

[ancient needle]

Yes, but only the text only part of it

Thx for reminding

[lone kindle]

dammnit you were here too teammate?

is every proff in here or what?

[sweet flax]

make sure to use the other p2 valks vbm and vbs as her supports, vbm is one of her current best supports since they share the same ring, and vbs can fill a part of the leader skill and provide lightning and elemental buffs for her
(they are both available in the asterite shop, vbm weapon being available in p2 story as well)

[lone kindle]

cay you here too?

[spiral badge]

maybe i should back off because this is too much lol

[sweet flax]

holy yellow chat

[ancient needle]

Wtf is Luna doing here too 😭

[lone kindle]

yes, let kain talk and then just repply, no need to flood the chat

[pallid vortex]

Ok sorry to trouble you but i have no idea about who Vbs orVBM is

[ancient needle]

Valkyrie Boltstorm and Valkyrie Blastmetal

[lone kindle]

those are two valks from p2, both farmable

[spiral badge]

VBs is valkyrie boltstorm (helia)
VBm is valkyrie blastmetal (coralie)

[ancient needle]

In the future you can check the glossary in the pins

[sweet flax]

there's a glossary in pins, vbm is valkyrie blastmetal (a rank coralie) and vbs is valkyrie boltstorm (a rank helia) , as I already mentioned mentioned they are both in the asterite shop

[spiral badge]

ok some of us really should back off. we're all repeating each other lmao

anyway if you need me, ping me

[sweet flax]

[spiral badge]

but i think you're in good hands kain

[upbeat egret]

Isn't it better that just 2 person answer kann? He will be confused atp?

[pallid vortex]

Oh ok so i should buy them then i already built Coralie today without the special stigmata ofc

[sweet flax]

speaking of repeating each other

[lone kindle]

yes, totally

[mortal carbon]

was there an official announcement for this? just as a note i've seen this "issue" for years now and everyone that took my advice to ask customer support and come back with their answer, this was the issue.

when you log into the game, before you tap to continue button (still in the elevator) well that still that logs you into the game account and can create new accounts and start the starter manual ticking down, even if you dont actually go all the way into the game and start the tutorial.

so if someone accidentally logs in with an alt hoyoverse account, goes oops wrong account and clicks switch user and log into their proper account. That accidental login just started a new account and the starter manual started ticking down even though they never fully went into the tutorial, then when they access that account half a year later thinking its "new". its not new and the starter manual has already expired. many accidental starter accounts are made that way.

(no need to reply, just being informative but if there was an official announcement then i would love to see the details of that)

[spiral badge]

for now the main things i would want people to cover for kain is

• why should you care about the meta and how much should you care (it's not all or nothing. you can get partial while having comfort to your lifestyle)
• rethink over if restarting now or not is suitable for you.
• what are your future plans for the game? how should you plan for it?
• also introduce pins in this channel and encourage asking further questions

[upbeat egret]

[sweet flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714508704418103436/1141759964210282637/finallyhappy.gif

[lone kindle]

yes, pls everyone besides kain sush

so, klain, the thing is, in according of what saairan said,

• abyss, being a mode that rewards more on the better you play, is recommended to always get the best you can, you wont die from not doing it , but we strongly encourage to get the best you can, if you need help, you can just ask
• rerrolling accounts is only a thing you should be thinking if you want to embrace a more competitive gamestile,

[pallid vortex]

For future plans well i plan to play casually i suppose like trying to do everything in the game completing it but necessarily hitting the top as for Meta i would love to know about it besides Vita iam not sure i am going to pull without thinking about the pull value

And just to be clear most of the content in the game i haven't farmed besides the 13 story chapter

[lone kindle]

its totally okay to think like that, its a game, and you can play it however you prefer, but i must warn you that no all the comps "can be used" theres a feature called astral rings that buffs certain teams

so if you want to use vita, i recomend you getting the two coralies i meant the other day

the one thats free, and the next gatcha valk

both can be used with vita and work extremely well with her

[pallid vortex]

I understand i am already planning on getting the Evil dragon form of Coralie

Btw is there something like the monthly pass that exists in other hoyo games?

[spiral badge]

story does take time to go through so do try to be proactive with it and not miss out on dragon coralie before she leaves. Note that when we suggest getting a valk, we also usually recommend getting her signature weapon too

yes

[lone kindle]

but still, i must say , that "maining" here is not recommended since theres certain bosses that nulify certain types of dmg

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/9sRVW6b.png

check out this in the pins

[ancient needle]

Yes

[spiral badge]

monthly is very efficient value

[pallid vortex]

Can you give me a picture of it since well i am not sure which one is it

[lone kindle]

90% discount actually

you get around 3000xtals for the price of 330

[spiral badge]

i don't have the game opened for now but from the main menu you should see an LTO button at the bottom left

[lone kindle]

for sure, give me a moment

[ancient needle]

3130 to be exact

[lone kindle]

this is the monthly

[ancient needle]

But if you miss even 1 day you lose 500 xtals

[lone kindle]

and this is how much it costs and where to buy

[spiral badge]

uh maybe show the sidebar on the left for that

[lone kindle]

i was already taking the ss

[sweet flax]

wtf why so expensive for you

[pallid vortex]

Ok found it thx

[spiral badge]

i do encourage you to explore the game more before deciding to sink money into it though

[lone kindle]

try giving the story a taste (the beggining of part one is kinda meh so give it a good taste)

[pallid vortex]

Indeed but 5$ won't hurt me personally but iam thankful for your advice

[spiral badge]

yeah that's fair

[lone kindle]

btw i see you have two server roles

[spiral badge]

do we need to discuss if you should reroll or not further before you buy btw?

[lone kindle]

its not forbidden or anything but it helps other help knowing wich serer you play on

[pallid vortex]

Yeha i have no idea what dose that mean shit my battery is 1 iam on america severe

[lone kindle]

eu is the europe server, and na the americas server

[pallid vortex]

Ok iam back ok so how to edit that

[lone kindle]

first, its more important what sairan said

[lone kindle]

this

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/wexTUiC.png

[pallid vortex]

Oh sorry i didn't Read it well i guess i will stick to my account since i think i just was overthinking when i talked about restarting but it also helped since now i know about competitive mode and the rest of teh other things

Ok i edited it

[spiral badge]

sounds fair esp if vita is your focus and you already own her and her weapon (restarting is only going to save you on vita valk, and you may risk rolling full for her weapon anyway. Rerolling is an arduous process of luck and time too. Some people take days)

and at this current point, you can prob get enough crystals from perm and current limited sources (again check crystals faq earlier) to get enough for dragon coralie before she goes away

[upbeat egret]

How much are u paying?

[sweet flax]

just above $4

[pallid vortex]

Btw should i use Sites Like lootbar i heard it have some good deals on hoyo games in general

[spiral badge]

i'm not familiar with that site but if you're looking for paid discounts i believe there is going to be one announced on the official stream

[upbeat egret]

Just how?

[sweet flax]

great question

[sweet flax]

btw these discounts will always be here on patch starts

[pallid vortex]

Oh so i should wait then?

[spiral badge]

yeah probably

[sweet flax]

in the server there will also be an event under the banner that will redirect you to the discount page

[spiral badge]

i don't really spend so i'm not as in touch so others will have to answer your questions about that

[sweet flax]

btw if you plan on spending, be aware that it is completely unecessary for a casual account and you might prefer waiting to see how you feel about the game first

things have changed and since you are a returnee there will be a lot of getting used to

[spiral badge]

yeah a f2p with proper planning and enough time can reasonably achieve the semihighest tier of abyss

[lone kindle]

btw @pallid vortex if you are curious about how actual competitive gameplay looks heres a quick video (vita used)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfyvebWgXaU

[pallid vortex]

Oh that reminds me for the daily crystal like from daily mission isn't it low taht its Only Like 40 a day?

[sweet flax]

60 a day from dailies

keep in mind the income in this game is mainly from abyss, not dailies

hence why its important to know whether or not you plan to be competitive

[pallid vortex]

I see ok then one last question is the Abyss have some rotation like some weakness where some teams even though they are good will preform poorly due to mismatch?

[spiral badge]

anyway main steps i urge you to take for now are

• explore the game. avoid spending anything you don't need to (especially crystals, honkai shards, phase shifters, einstein torus, sc metals)
• prioritize crystals (again check the crystal faq i linked or look in the pins for it), especially limited time ones but also permanent ones when you have the time
• continue asking questions here and also checking the pins in this channel
• if you really want to take a big step in doing well in the game's meta then...
  • understand how team building with astral ring works (search !faq ring in this channel)
  • learn how to play with vita dps. The game does have a tutorial via attack > events tab > tactics class (or valk menu > tutorial at top right) to lightly introduce you to the moveset
  • for vita specifically there are some advanced things you may want to learn such as basic 2 cancels. you can ask more when you're ready

[spiral badge]

type matching bonuses are only roughly 30%

[lone kindle]

yes, abyss has weathers that affect the teams that you want to use

[spiral badge]

oh abyss weathers are a bit different but you can see the amount before you start the stage

[lone kindle]

yes, its not a surprise, and you can try all you want

[spiral badge]

they do matter, but for now vita is prob the strongest thing in your account by a far margin that nothing comes close even with these in mind

yeah there's no cost in entering abyss

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

you may still want to check this out to build a few side cheap teams to use in arena

arena is a gamemode where you have to face multiple bosses with different teams. a team on one boss will get locked including her gears

you don't need to take arena too seriously though. the rewards there aren't too big. the main rewards are purely from clearing the fights and not actually getting a good time too

[pallid vortex]

The memorial arena? If so i completed all the stages but dose it have also a score relevant rewards?

Oh ok then

[spiral badge]

it does strictly speaking but it's not too important

[lone kindle]

for exalted this is the rewards

but tbh doesnt really make a difference

[spiral badge]

more specifically ranking higher gives more ancient willpower, which is a currency used to buy old gacha valks that are now farmable in war treasury

these obsoleted valks have no significant general use

[pallid vortex]

Yep i was surprised that the Herrscher of void is now Meh 😑 but regardless i will try to build her since iam only missing one stigmata

[shell basin]

HoV is still viable if you love her enough
-lyo

[sweet flax]

I mean if you are interested in hov and want to use her, lyo made some guides

[lone kindle]

with knowledge and team she can even get good scores in todays standars, but not woth the effort

[spiral badge]

but you still want to get them eventually for numerous uses

• to unlock in elysian realm which is a huge source of crystals (main reason. not all of them are there so be sure to check)
• passive global bonuses from the dorm menu. these increment improvements are minor but do add up later
• for clearing dorm errands. rarely crystals can be gained here
• unlocking pure witch orb shop (inefficient but has some exclusive things.this is super long term)
• niche actual use cases that's becoming less and less relevant as time goes on

!faq hov

[small willow]

Herrscher of the Void

We meet again, human.

Is it worth it to invest in HoV?

Short Answer: No, absolutely not.

Long Answer:

• HoV's maximum potential: [See here](#🎮honkai-chat message)!
  • Full HoV guide for dedicated fans: See here!

[pallid vortex]

Yeah iam kinda of low on mats since i stupidly was leveling up everything back then when i used to play i wasn't Even aware of the concept of gacha games back then and limited farming

[spiral badge]

sadly there's no quick shortcut to getting mats over a long term. just make sure to clear through weekly material stages every day

!faq coins

[small willow]

Saving Coins

I'm here to help, Captain!

To save coins, upgrade your (M) Stigma to 5-star, and leave it unlevelled at Lv. 1/50!
Why? Because there is no damage loss doing so!
(See image below)

You'll save a chunk of coins and twin soul crystals, which can be used for upgrading other equipment!

NOTE: This does not apply to all (M) Stigmata, [click here](#👶beginner-help message) for a more detailed explanation!

[spiral badge]

and if you've done any gacha rolls then you can generally trash blue 3* base weapons for coins

[pallid vortex]

Oh yeah i also have alot of 4* weapons

[spiral badge]

i forgot to add source prism to this list of materials to watch out for earlier

!faq prism

[small willow]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

4*?

if you mean base rarity 4* i prob would recommend you to not trash those

[pallid vortex]

Hmm yes give me a sec

[spiral badge]

ok this is going to get a bit complicated

[pallid vortex]

Shit its isn't in this pic ok i will go to the game i guess

[spiral badge]

some of these aren't from the same source

first of all stop crafting from the foundry unless you know specifically what it's being well used for

[spiral badge]

for anything from the foundry but isn't upgraded yet, you can salvage when you're no longer using them for good return value (e.g. fischl's call of the crescent)

[pallid vortex]

Oh i haven't crafted anything before except the magstorm sword since i used it for mei in her zombie apocalypse form

[spiral badge]

if it's already upgraded then idk tbh. Their uses aren't notable eventually but it's less value on trashing. If you have any sentiment then you can just hold it for the time being

[pallid vortex]

As for the rest i have no idea how i got them

[spiral badge]

whenever you're trashing make sure you check if the weapon would be convertable rather than salvaging

weapons that are/used to be premium can be converted to blue weapon resonances and this is a much better use than salvaging them to honkai shards (which has many other sources you rather get them from)

[pallid vortex]

Yep I actually learned about that yesterday and had a plan which is basically i forge then salvage for that currency to get soem weapons i want

[spiral badge]

so this can include the magstorm, naraka on memento on yae, the blue gooves on fu hua, the red katana on flame sakitama yae

[shell basin]

Is blue weapon reso good for anything other than Judah?

[lone kindle]

||did they all cost the same?||

[spiral badge]

although a good amount of these are already upgraded, so i rather you save them in case you need to upgrade them further to use as a pri arm fodder in the future

[spiral badge]

largely speaking not really but there can be rare niche cases. the shop continually updates when things go out of meta too

[pallid vortex]

Yep i plan to craft new one's to salvage

[spiral badge]

they're all roughly the same in value now to my eyes aside from the fact that some of them are already upgraded

[shell basin]

Ah cool, I haven’t been farming any more of it since I got Judah so glad I’m not missing out

[spiral badge]

make sure you keep your ether fuel (green dollar sign currency) in the foundry menu above 800 or even 1600

[pallid vortex]

Oh ok for crafting stigmata right?

[spiral badge]

nowadays new stigmatas are craftable at worst (you still mainly look to getting them from the gacha but you will stop once you get the weapon. so from there you would open a box or further craft any leftover you're missing)

yeah

[spiral badge]

anyway all the weapons here are from befall farmable stages. You can trash these for phase shifters if you need it. maybe keep one copy of each but you can always farm for it again if you lose them

[pallid vortex]

Oh i remembered about Astral ring how to get the others like when i hit source nothing appear so are they also gacha locked?

Astral op

[sweet flax]

astral ops are p2 elfs to cut it short
you dont need to pull them

[spiral badge]

aside from the default, the rest are gacha only

and the default is all you really need meta wise for most intents and purposes

btw one more thing before we move on. Going back to trashing weapons and what not

!faq keep

[small willow]

General Item Usage

Hello, Captain! Ai-chan is here to explain why keeping items is sometimes the best choice.

If you immediately use something without actually needing what it provides, you may put yourself at a disadvantage later on by wasting a source of materials that you fall short of down the line.

This applies to almost every irreversible material choice such as:

• Stigma Option boxes
• Material Option boxes
• Blazing Assembly Option (ELF Option box)
  • ELF Part Option boxes
• Weapon Option boxes (Divine Key or Beginner Weapon Option box)
• Salvaging non-duplicate Weapons/Stigmata
• Buying items using rare currencies (i.e., Supply Shop)

Before selecting something from an option box, salvaging gear, or buying materials, think twice if you actually need what is offered and if you really need it right now!
-# Making these choices is justified if you need those materials to upgrade gear and achieve a higher score in the current cycle of competitive gamemodes. Ask our Professors if you are not sure whether now is a good time to use your items!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

basically if you don't have an important immediate use to something, don't trash it

trashing is irreversible and some things can have multiple uses in a more base form

[lone kindle]

||quite proud of making that embed ngl||

||seeing my effort being usefull is emotive||

[pallid vortex]

Hmmm the one in this picture are they even worth considering i don't remember how i got them and well most of them seems meh so just to be sure are they useful or straight to trahs

[spiral badge]

yes those are the befall weapons i said earlier

you can check based on what they give you in the trash preview

these will give you phase shifters

if the weapon gives you a honkai shard then don't trash that

convert it instead at worst

[lone kindle]

it says what it gives like this

[spiral badge]

if it's any weapon above 35/35, i recommend just leaving it alone at this point until you understand the game better (possible part 1 pri arm fodder for most efficient use, but nowadays those have fallen off the meta)

[pallid vortex]

Ok then i will now check the guides you guys listed thx for the help

[spiral badge]

maybe review some of our talk too since we covered alot but yeah glad to help

[upbeat egret]

You did well super prof...keep the hard work

[lone kindle]

[spiral badge]

anyway i guess i'll hop off now. gl beginner help

[shell turret]

I going to play it for the first time only on mobile since it doesn't have a Playstation version after it done download

[lone kindle]

are you aware that theres a pc version?

just in case you want to know

!faq gamesyze

[small willow]

No FAQ for 'gamesyze' found.

[lone kindle]

!faq game

[small willow]

Did you mean

FAQ id:49 tags:gamepath
FAQ id:89 tags:gamelog
FAQ id:101 tags:gamesize
FAQ id:158 tags:early game, late game, account progression, endgame

[lone kindle]

!faq gamesize

[small willow]

v8.3 approx. install size

• Mobile

basic assets ~ 27.6 GB
full assets ~ 38.1 GB

• PC

basic assets ~ 39.5 GB
full assets ~ 52.5 GB
(Event files that come out after are not counted here)

[shell turret]

No i didn't know it have a pc version

[lone kindle]

i recomend using the oficial launcher on the hoyo page

!faq download

[small willow]

__**8.3 game client download links**__

**(PC) HoYoPlay Launcher:**

GLB [ HoYoverse ]
SEA [ HoYoverse ]

**(PC) Client (without launcher):**

GLB: [ HoYoverse ]
SEA: [ HoYoverse ]

**(Android) APK:**

GLB [ HoYoverse ]
SEA [ HoYoverse ]

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[lone kindle]

this is where to get it if you are interested

before actualy explaining anything

how much do you know about the game?

what have you seen?

[twilit junco]

iss there a keyboard shortcut to "history"

like how ui shortcut is I

[lone kindle]

dont even know what you are talking about

[twilit junco]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[ancient canopy]

hi! can someone get me the mirage farm faq?

[ancient needle]

!faq mirage

[small willow]

Universal Mirage

Hi Captain!

See [here](#👶beginner-help message) For the Universal Mirage farming priority list!

Regarding Efficient Ether Fuel Farming (assumes you convert all stones into fuel):

F1: 10 per entry ticket + 0.6000 per 1 TSP
F2: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6333 per 1 TSP
F3: 12 per entry ticket + 0.6428 per 1 TSP
F4: 13 per entry ticket + 0.6500 per 1 TSP
F5: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6666 per 1 TSP
F6: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6700 per 1 TSP - (best efficiency!)
F7: 15 per entry ticket + 0.6600 per 1 TSP

If not using Time Swirl Passes (TSP), F5/6/7 are equal in efficiency.

[slim blaze]

Am i cooked

Nirb no lamp

[lyric anvil]

Use FWS
Unless you're badumless then just sleep

[ancient needle]

Yes, you're cooked

Also wtf is this screen 😭

Are you using a folding phone vertically or smth

[slim blaze]

Yeah. Was doing split screen to do 2 dailies at the same time

Not folding phone

[ancient needle]

What in the brainrot

It's like that one vid where a kid is playing Minecraft and watching TikToks at the same time

[slim blaze]

Autobattle

Exist mah dude

[ancient needle]

ig that makes sense

[autumn oxide]

18k retain ez clap

[ancient needle]

Surely

[lyric anvil]

That's -100

Actually -200

[ancient needle]

18001 retain then trust

[lyric anvil]

[lyric anvil]

I just imagine hitting the boss once then pressing give up

[faint wasp]

paying 1.6k for a summer skin is measly right

I want my mpe ely skin back

[lyric anvil]

Depends on your funds

[faint wasp]

and besides, its a beginner acc so i have plenty of xtals funds left

[lyric anvil]

[faint wasp]

[lyric anvil]

Make sure you have enough for 8.4 still

[faint wasp]

i also wanna pull for 8.5 too

currently at 18k

definitely safe right

[lyric anvil]

That's enough to guarantee weapon

[faint wasp]

oh

[lyric anvil]

~30K is your safe bet for Valk and her weapon

I think it's around 30K anyways-

[faint wasp]

oh oki

and by the time 8.5 hits do u think i can guarantee another valk w weap?

consideing beginner acc and all

[autumn oxide]

yea so dont get the skin

[shell basin]

Technically you only need 560 crystals for a valk and their weapon-

[autumn oxide]

hi berwi help me play abyss pls

[faint wasp]

can i really not guarantee if i buy the skin

[slim blaze]

Cant help you there. Im slaccing

No lamp in nirb

No teriop too for fws

I guess i can cook, but i rather relax on my weekebd

[shell basin]

You should be able to guarentee 8.4 and 8.5 with the skin but you’ll have to lock in harder

Just a question of how hard u want to work and/or how much you leave to luck versus how much you want the skin

Absolute worst case scenario, 8.4+8.5 is 300 pulls, 360 if we count dkey. That’s maximum 84k crystals for both battlesuits and weapons, 100k if you also want dkey.

There’s about 60k crystals in one time sources (ignoring ER unlocks), and you’ll get like 10k abyss crystals and 8k weekly ER crystals and 10k battlesuit unlock crystals from ER between end of 8.5 banner and now, plus daily logins and bpass and such

Which is enough even for no luck, if you’re dedicated

[faint wasp]

hmmm i see

My dedication for ely is no match for whatever measly time i have to lock in on the grind

ill get the skin

thanks for the input

[shell basin]

Good luck! May you get your gacha pulls early and this be irrelevant

[shell basin]

No problem

[kindred tartan]

I know some guide technically has the numbers purely for the crystals, but looking for an experienced player's advice on whether it is more worth it for a new player to get the starter guide bp bundle with HoH or just get monthly passes

[ancient needle]

Well, HoHE can be somewhat nice for earlygame, but I wouldn't go out of my way for that

[lone crater]

monthly if u just pick 1

[ancient needle]

There are other earlygame options that are just as good

[ancient needle]

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[ancient needle]

• if you get the next patch's valk (drops on Thursday) you can use her + Coralie + RC

[shell basin]

I wouldn’t get level rush unless I was using the crystals on the banner rn and it would get me a gacha valk a week earlier or I already bought card or I really wanted elie

But if any of those are true it’s legit

[odd plume]

iirc, starter bundle has the best crystal/money ratio

[ancient needle]

Nah, monthly's significantly better

[shell basin]

Yeah monthly is best followed by iiirc some of the really discounted tickets

[ancient needle]

Level Rush is one of the best (if not the best) out of bundles that instantly give you the crystals

[shell basin]

And then level rush is like 3 or 4

[kindred tartan]

if I do get HoH her weapon is the correct choice from the first top up bonus weapon thing right? Or should I prioritize on of the support weapons?

[shadow gyro]

if u mean the wp box then this is the only weapon shes using, youll see another one and dont get it

[shell turret]

I finished downloading the game and it took 62 gb/64 gb

[shadow gyro]

64 gb is your available storage or is it stuck for you?

[plucky fulcrum]

How do I get past this?

[plucky fulcrum]

Ty!

How about this one? It's the one with the robot that gets buffed from his shield

[shadow gyro]

considering the low level suggestion then u wanna pick the valks that are leveled well

which chapter is this btw

[plucky fulcrum]

Chapter 11 world 3

Can't progress unless I do all the Exs

[shadow gyro]

it seems to be mostly dodge when the time is right and attack when you can, you can bring YA if you need some protection

i dont think the team itself really matters but this is what the game recorded for me for when i did it last time

[plucky fulcrum]

Appreciate it!

[shadow gyro]

[edgy breach]

hello, im a really really new player, i'm curious on how i should do my progression, my goal is to beat the endgame but also to pull for elysia cuz she cool.. But i was wondering if there are any early game character i should look out for or i should starting levelling like hotv cuz she's free but idk if she's worth levelling

[lone crater]

early on u can use w/e chars u want. it wont matter too much

beating end game is not rly a thing here becuz its pvp not pve

[edgy breach]

but are there any chars i should look out for to pull for if ever

[lone crater]

check pins

[storm lantern]

as far as endgame goes just pull new releases + their weapon, you will be in a lower bracket for some time while you develop your account but that's only avoidable by spending a lot of money to the point where you have way more than enough for every new release and can start pulling old characters, hov is perfectly fine to level early game since you can't really spend enough exp mats for it to be a problem and you get her weapon for free so she's relatively useful for the game mode where you have to use 2-3 different teams

if you really want to start off strong you can reroll for vita and use her as a support for the next patch's release but imo this is worse than rerolling for coralie herself

even though short term it will be better

[wintry wharf]

a vita without weapon and stigs is useful?

[storm lantern]

stigs are craftable

[sweet flax]

For supporting yes, her breach is not weapon locked
Assuming you are using her with a compatible ring

[storm lantern]

does coralie start with less than 100 ari

[wintry wharf]

i thought nobody in his right mind would waste precious prisms to craft something

[storm lantern]

i mean 3pc on a support valk is gonna be way better than 4 upgrades

[sweet flax]

Prisms aren't that rare, + the important thing is crafting the set not upgrading it WHEN you get the prisms

Similar to what beginners are recommended with tsiolkovsky

Just if they have vita they'd make vita stigs instead

Either way vita is not a must have at this point and not everyone rerolls

[wintry wharf]

i see

[sweet flax]

So its probs like 10 players at most who go through this

[wintry wharf]

how many prisms to craft one 3?

[sweet flax]

2 prisms

And 600 ether fuel

[wintry wharf]

oh i never checked is actually cheap

i could have crafted a dupe for vita to reroll sp

[sweet flax]

Crafting to reroll affixes seems redundant

If you want sp just get the support affixes thing from wt no?

[wintry wharf]

nah dun worry about it is just a pro strat to ult sooner in nirvana with some opener i still need the dps for other cases (beginners dun do this )

[sweet flax]

I mean the point I'm making still stands (regardless of how redundant sp affixes seem on vita )

Why spend 2 source prisms to get 1 in return from converting if you fail to get the affix you want

[wintry wharf]

fail ? i can't fail wdym finding an sp/s affix is easy

im not crazy to convert again

[sweet flax]

Oh wait i thought you meant crafting pieces till you got the affix you want not a second piece that had sp on it

oopsie

[sick pebble]

I kinda regret not pulling for paws
I struggle against a huge lot of stages that requires bio/new AR characters

[storm lantern]

you're gonna struggle some amount no matter what you skip, dw about it

especially as a new player

[sour valve]

I have 10 BP currency stuff. For HoH, would it be better to get the Key of Ego or one of her stigs?

Or I could go for HoH stamps?

[storm lantern]

it would be better to ignore her old gear get the new gear and get stamps from bp if you want

[amber finch]

neither, she uses a dkey + new stig set now

[amber finch]

(she’s super duper insanely || mid || with it)

[storm lantern]

by better i dont mean meta wise

ideally skip her dkey but if you want to play her that's your best option

[sour valve]

Oh okay. What’s a dkey?

[amber finch]

divine key

[sour valve]

Ohh

Which one does she use?

[amber finch]

the only bow dkey currently in the game

because she’s an archer

[amber finch]

how to obtain: gacha reruns

[sour valve]

oh

anything I can use on her in the meantime?

[amber finch]

how to craft stigs if you somehow get her dkey but is missing some stigs: foundry (do not craft stigs before you finish pulling for a p2 valk’s weap)

[amber finch]

yeah, the bench

[sour valve]

okay but if I want to give her a weapon?

[amber finch]

she’s already sad with her old gears + team compared to her dkey and you have nothing on her

[amber finch]

highest atk weap or if you dont have any bow (because there are literally no bow users in this game) then just foundry weap (do not level it past 35 and do not star it up)

[storm lantern]

ae imaginon weapons can be salvaged at a 1:1 rate for what you would otherwise use ae imaginons for so you can craft call of crescent or whatever its called and leave it at 35/35

[sour valve]

Oh okay

[amber finch]

she’ll be completely useless btw

no matter how much “good” cope gears you put on her

[abstract sequoia]

you get 3 honkai shards back when you salvage it

[amber finch]

cope is cope no matter what

[sour valve]

I see

I just wanna build her cause I like her lol

[amber finch]

oh then just do whatever you want if you know the drawbacks + is fine with it

if you’re unsure abt anything then just ask here

[sour valve]

Ty

[abstract sequoia]

about HoH stigs, did you buy Robert Peary from starter shop?

[sour valve]

oh also whats the point of this? just a skin change?

[storm lantern]

you should be able to build her meta team by buying bp if you want to spend money, sena i think is still available and thelema will be eventually and those are her two best teammates with her dkey

[amber finch]

think of pri arming as evolving your weapon

better stats + higher multipliers + skills

[abstract sequoia]

more attack, an additional passive and higher buff scaling

[sour valve]

Ohhh. So it’s good to craft the base weapons into the other skins?

[amber finch]

there are no drawbacks from pri arming your weapons (do ask before you pri arm any weapon if you arent that well versed in this game bc some valks are just bad even with their pri arm)

[abstract sequoia]

we call it Pri-arms

[sour valve]

I see

[amber finch]

you need to already own the base weapons of the pri arms to be able to craft different base weapons into different pri arms

so no, you cant just craft hohe dkey with that genshin collab girl weapon

[sour valve]

ah

[amber finch]

oh wait raven doesnt have a pri iirc

[sour valve]

what stigma set does HoH want?

[abstract sequoia]

call of crescent is the cope weapon though, fischl's signature is Immernacht's Waltz

[sour valve]

I think I have enough resources to craft some of them lol

[amber finch]

how about you dont

her p2 set is completely useless without her dkey

[sour valve]

oh

[amber finch]

and you cant use foundry weaps to make pri arms

[amber finch]

just use robert peary (free from beginner manual)

[abstract sequoia]

pretty much all of the effects are tied to astral ring, which she doesn't have without the weapon

[sour valve]

I see

[sour valve]

[abstract sequoia]

you'll notice from things like "When equipped by Herrscher of Human: Ego and when Astral Ring is activated..."

[sour valve]

Oh yeah

how do I find the beginner manual

[abstract sequoia]

feel free to upgrade that to Ana if Ely's dk doesn't get a dk run soon if you like

[amber finch]

is your account a returnee account by chance

[sour valve]

Nope. I basically just do dailies though lol

[abstract sequoia]

it should be at the bottom of your main menu for 90 days after you started your account

[sour valve]

Oh

I don’t have that

[amber finch]

beginner manual only lasts for 90 days from the moment you first logged into the game

[amber finch]

then it expired

[sour valve]

hmm

[abstract sequoia]

never had it before or is the account just older

[sour valve]

Account’s older

[abstract sequoia]

ah i see

riperonis, oh well

its not a full brick, but it provides many bonuses for new accounts

[sour valve]

guess I’ll just have craft the other set /j

[abstract sequoia]

actually to get peary normally, you can forge it for g2 mats in the foundry

same can apply to Ana iirc

[sour valve]

oh

[abstract sequoia]

although the ether fuel costs are a bit much at once if you dont upgrade from peary

just know that it will take its time, keep peary full set and fully upgrade into ana when you have the mats for all 3 pieces

so you can take advantage of the set bonuses

[sour valve]

apparently I’m missing mats to craft any of the stuff lol

I think I’m cooked

[abstract sequoia]

universial mirage is your go-to

you can also request mats in your armada every few hours

[sour valve]

I need weird dust to craft “Nohime” and dust but Crystal to make a Peary piece

nvm I can just craft it if I get enough blue crystals

[abstract sequoia]

skip nohime, go straight for peary

[sour valve]

alright

time to get farming 🔥

[abstract sequoia]

good luck, ely lover. you got many supporters

[sour valve]

and then I gotta figure out the other ely’s build after

[abstract sequoia]

just know you need her dk and some wheel of destiny supports for her full team

her best being Thelema (Mad Pleasure: Shadowbringer)

[sour valve]

alright

oh idk if I have Thelema

maybe I can cope with a full Elysia team

[abstract sequoia]

probably not if you didn't play when she was around

[amber finch]

p2 ely dps is just thel dps with extra steps btw

[sour valve]

I probably did but didn’t end up getting her lol

[abstract sequoia]

not rly, Miss Pink Elf is physical and doesn't fit with her Herrscher Valk

[sour valve]

I see

[amber finch]

ely only really does damage when she’s in stellar outburst

[sour valve]

sad

[amber finch]

outside of that, thel does the heavy lifting

[autumn oxide]

ely does damage? damn

[amber finch]

1 is more than 0

[sour valve]

surely if I cope hard enough

[abstract sequoia]

i mean in outburst, ches is right here

which is essentially burst mode

[amber finch]

i mean, anything flies in a2 and below

[sour valve]

a2?

[abstract sequoia]

eh, i would still put some logic behind team building

proper ice supports and all that

[amber finch]

agony 2, exalted abyss rank

[sour valve]

Ely would be more of just to play for fun because I already have a good team lol

[sour valve]

I see

[abstract sequoia]

yeah I'm sort of aware don't worry

[amber finch]

it goes like this:
forbidden—> sinful 1 2 3–> agony 1 2 3 —> redlotus (rl)—> nirvana

and then the top 100 players with the highest scores is put into a leaderboard called myriad

[abstract sequoia]

also myriad, which is the top 100 of nirvana

[amber finch]

i mean rl can get into myriad too

[abstract sequoia]

t50 also has extra bragging rights

[amber finch]

just have a dead server

[abstract sequoia]

nah, only at the very start of a cycle

they get pushed out fast

[amber finch]

doesnt mean they arent in there

the only req for myriad is top 100 of the highest scoring players, not t100 of nirv

[abstract sequoia]

in EU, RL was gone on day 2

[amber finch]

so you’re saying that rl appeared in myriad?

[abstract sequoia]

on a lazy cycle yes

on a mald cycle hell no

[amber finch]

then how was i wrong

[amber finch]

again

[abstract sequoia]

youre not wrong, your statement is just a bit misleading

[amber finch]

you’re becoming a prof ram, be more factual

it isnt

[abstract sequoia]

like, redlotus cannot finalize as myriad. Nirvana isn't that dead

[autumn oxide]

fast LMAO

[amber finch]

its literally what the req is, t100 of the highest scoring players in the server gets into myriad

[autumn oxide]

bro has not seen na

[sour valve]

what element is Vita again

[abstract sequoia]

i indeed have not

[abstract sequoia]

Lightning, no paralyze though

[amber finch]

again, t100 of the HIGHEST scoring players is put into myriad, not top 100 of NIRV

[sour valve]

Oh okay

[abstract sequoia]

that's correct

[sour valve]

I feel like she’s doing more damage then my Kiana in this battle lol

[amber finch]

there are no reqs that you need to be nirv to be in myriad

[amber finch]

which kiana

there are like 15 different kiana suits in this game

[sour valve]

Uhhhh

[shadow gyro]

show ur team + their gear

[sour valve]

The one with the really silly white snake

[amber finch]

oh badum

[sour valve]

one sec

[amber finch]

(fws)

[abstract sequoia]

but i still wouldn't count on being in there when you're Redlotus. 100 Nirvana players with any score are above whatever a Redlotus player scored even if its the absolute point cap

[amber finch]

wiki bot is dead so i cant search fws

[autumn oxide]

that was the second day of hellmaru iirc

ion got glb updated on my phone rn so i cant check current abyss

[amber finch]

you love to correct me dont you

[shadow gyro]

8 lmfao

[abstract sequoia]

okay Hellmaru needs Thel and Ely, give them some slack lol

[autumn oxide]

???

[sour valve]

Maybe Kiana is doing more but just not all at once like Vita

[autumn oxide]

u do know ely is one of if not the most famous character right

[abstract sequoia]

yes

[autumn oxide]

so why wld they not hv hh

[abstract sequoia]

but i also know her requirements for astral ring team can't be necessarily met by most casuals

assuming BiS

[amber finch]

nirv
casuals

[shadow gyro]

alongside showing what you have, you can record a run to see what needs to be improved
showing ur geal matters incase you don't have her weapon or smth alongside this line

[amber finch]

actually,
myriad
casuals

[abstract sequoia]

yes i know, flawed statement

but how else do i explain them slacking this long on hellmaru

[autumn oxide]

i shall leave before i say smth that gets me into trouble

[amber finch]

issok

anyways ram i wont accept that i was wrong

[autumn oxide]

sairaan scolds me its not ok 😔

[sterile river]

You could try being nice instead

[amber finch]

demoted

[amber finch]

thats way too hard for us

[sour valve]

all of them have their signature stigs, and only Vita doesnt have a weapon

[amber finch]

she seems like she’s dealing alot of dmg is because of the super qte btw (vita)

[abstract sequoia]

and about this, not really. I'm just trying to clarify it for beginners in here so they don't misunderstand

its nothing personal

[amber finch]

name one occasion that you have not tried to correct me even when we’re outside of beginner help

actually, outside of the help channels*

[sour valve]

Ohh

[abstract sequoia]

huh?

[amber finch]

its literally just badum dealing the damage when vita qtes in lmao

[sour valve]

I see

[amber finch]

so thats why she seems like she was outdpsing badum

[autumn oxide]

ss sparkle 💀

[sour valve]

got it

[autumn oxide]

donate one copy to me pls

s2 is good enough for u

[abstract sequoia]

you can give vita sparkle's drive core if you do max it at some point

[autumn oxide]

i need s0

[sour valve]

I got really lucky on her debut banner for no reason at all

[abstract sequoia]

more atk

[sour valve]

that’s the weapon, right?

[shadow gyro]

and you have their stigmatas too right? regardless your team looks fine even though your atk is low (consider pri arming fws's and sparkle's weapon and collect the free dkeys that you don't have for some boost, you can also record a run to make sure you ur playing well, even though i suppose looking at fws's tactic class is helpful enough for now

[amber finch]

1.1k atk ss 4/4 spork goes kinda hard tho

ik its bc of dorm/affixes/maybe unmaxed stigs/dkeys

[autumn oxide]

omg 1.1k ok thats

[abstract sequoia]

mhm

[autumn oxide]

[sour valve]

I’m probably playing weirdly lol

[amber finch]

literally healing the enemies

[autumn oxide]

my s0 thel has more atk

wait my ps has shittier affixes but more atk

[sour valve]

Maybe I’ll have to get another copy then if she reruns after the banner I’m waiting for

[abstract sequoia]

i really wouldn't

[amber finch]

maybe dont do that

[sour valve]

Oh

better to get Vita sig then?

[amber finch]

nah

[abstract sequoia]

are you aware of why backpulling is bad?