👶beginner-help

[bleak cloak]

I see tho

[patent tinsel]

He did say he heard they are good but its actually only for ma and on full gear, so not too useful for him anymore

[ancient needle]

Anyway, your actual team options are Badum Coralie RC/TA and Thelema Coralie TA

Forget about the P1 team

[bleak cloak]

Who is RC and TA, my bad

[ancient needle]

Reverist Calico and Terminal Aide 0017, you can refer to the glossary in the pins in the future

[bleak cloak]

Alr ber

Bet

Thank you for your help it’s clear now what I should do🙌😤🫡

Well both y’all’s help

[amber temple]

@sweet flax did it

Key to it was having sparkle first in the team line up

And not canceling my attacks like I was

[sweet flax]

Nice job

[amber temple]

Probably wouldn't have been able to do it without your advice tho

[sweet flax]

Next few abysses will be much easier dw

Also you should thank the other 2 who provided help to you as well

[amber temple]

Oh true

[sweet flax]

[amber temple]

I just don't remember their names

[sweet flax]

[slim blaze]

kekw

[solar drum]

how good is thelema as a p1 ice support

[quick birch]

useless

[solar drum]

how good is smol dudu as a p1 phys support

[quick birch]

TA replacement and from what ive seen solid. The weathers are just really rare

[ancient needle]

+11% for Brick and DW, +28% for HoRb DPS

If talking raw damage

[ancient needle]

Compared to TA

[solar drum]

where does smol dudus phys support come from

her ult or weapon act?

[ancient needle]

From CA and ult iirc

[quick birch]

ignore me

[ancient needle]

Also passive buffs, ye

[ancient needle]

She doesn't do WA as a support

[solar drum]

just want to make sure on something

[quick birch]

the skill has a bit of text beyond that

give it a read if you want to know what she provides exactly

[solar drum]

rampager form is hoverboard iirc?

[quick birch]

nope

thats skyrider form

[quick furnace]

how to clear those 3 stages in elysian realm for herrscher seele??? i cant figure the combo out

[quick birch]

Click shallow sequence tutorials here

[misty kestrel]

Is vita a good pull for HoHe or should I just wait for future astral rings

oh nvm her banner ended already 🤣

[wild bolt]

I have enough Asterite to get all the frags for at least one valk in the Asterite Shop rn - who should I get?

[thick bolt]

check asterite pin

[wild bolt]

oh thank you!

So if it suggests to use Asterite on Coralie, that also means she should be one of the valks I invest in/build?

[thick bolt]

You get her weapon from p2 story early on for free so she's a beginner team carry as well as Elysian Realm clearer

So levelling her is fine

[wild bolt]

Awesome okay!

omg i regret levelling all my characters early on immediately lmao 😭
waste of resources

[wild forum]

if you didnt push them over 50 its not a big deal in exp numbers

[wild bolt]

theyre all 53-56

[wild forum]

plus sometimes you cant use P2 chars so having one P1 group isnt bad

[wild bolt]

mkay mkay

i come from star rail which is so much more forgiving in terms of resource management lmao

[wild forum]

nah its the same

if you spent 5m credit to max a char to 80 and got all traces to max and farmed specific relics for 2 months for this char its same waste as here

[thick bolt]

Exp mats are the one thing that loses value later but early on before you have a stash accumulated you wanna conserve

Spending coins on exp is expensive

[wild forum]

its about the time you could've farmed something else instead

[wild bolt]

ahh

[wild forum]

same thing in both games

[wild bolt]

fair enough!

[torpid orbit]

Does Ely have some sort of extra buff in ER or what’s wrong with her? I decided to do ER with Ely this time around and she’s level 1 (ER ʟvʟ, not overall ʟvʟ) and it was so easy that I thought I accidentally picked the wrong difficulty and that without checking any guides and at the end just picking random Signets.
It was the ×2.75 yes

[haughty elbow]

er is easy with any non old char

[torpid orbit]

or is it just her new weapon?

[quick birch]

that and ely has +1 on every signet. but her dkey is also just braindead

[torpid orbit]

that’s what puzzled me, she cut through ER stronger than any other full-build P2 unit I have

like butter

[torpid orbit]

ah, ok! gotchu! thx!

didn’t even notice the +1 buff

[haughty elbow]

?

[torpid orbit]

tbh… I only played ER with Helia before I had her sig weapon and not SSS yet, so…

Ely just made ER explode

[thick bolt]

haven't experienced the reign of the Dark Lord smh

[torpid orbit]

oh! I did clear ER with Coralie, it was braindead easy too yeah, but Ely right now was just not a Valkyrie but a walking nuclear bomb

[wild bolt]

just looking through some guides rn - is rerolling your account ever recommended if you're past lvl 50? i didn't realize that was a thing til now lol

[haughty elbow]

lvl 50 is nothing

[torpid orbit]

rerolling with the intent of pulling someone within first 10 pulls?
lvl 50 sounds too late for that, but also depends on how old your account is and what you have
won’t be able to help you with meta-decisions though, as I don’t really care much about that, but if your account happens to be old and you consider restarting, then you can share here what you have and someone who understands meta better will be able to help

[haughty elbow]

wym lvl 50 is too late

[torpid orbit]

isn’t that like weeks of playing?

[haughty elbow]

its 1 week

[wild bolt]

i started a few weeks ago i think?

[ashen totem]

how you can you tell if your pull a s-rank?

[wild bolt]

i don't really fully understand why rerolling is a thing but i see it mentioned a lot and im just confused

[quick birch]

There is a slight difference once the Valkyrie image comes up but there isn't an indicator at the beginning of the pull Animation like in genshin or hsr

[haughty elbow]

or u can just look at the valk u got

[torpid orbit]

was about to say

[torpid orbit]

its main intent is getting an S rank within first 10-pulls you do

[wild bolt]

ohh

[torpid orbit]

since getting enough crystals to make a 10 pull doesn’t take that much time, you can start of a bit stronger than without that and have an early advantage

[wild forum]

lets take a theoretical example .. someone starts 1 week before Kiana banner runs out and sees trailer for the next 8.2 character he really likes and he got hard pity on both his kiana and his weapon and he doesnt like the gameplay of it, to be able to "re-claim" those spent crystals as long as all the events are still up he benefitted from the previous week

[quick birch]

Especially in this patch rerolling was something you could consider because of carnival supply but that is gone now.

It is still is an option if carnival isn't available it's just a bit exhausting lol

[wild bolt]

ah i see
so if already have an s rank, is there really a point?
the only thing i can think of is that my resource/crystal management has been bad but ik its not too bad in the long run

[wild forum]

so the gain of switching will be whatever better rng you would have on the next time you pull char+wep

if you got double hard pity it can only be better on second try

lets say you get 20k crystals doing story for couple days on new account, go pull and spent all of it for double hard pity, if you have the will to re-play you can go save well up to all of the 20k depending on how good your second attempt rng is

[wild bolt]

ohhhhh

hmmmm

[wild forum]

lets say you get good rng

and get both in 10k instead

[torpid orbit]

basically what it comes down to is whether you’re willing to abandon your progress and do the effort of rerolling for a potentially better start

[wild forum]

having 10k for next banner for replaying some days of story is amazing (if you can spent the time on replaying)

[wild bolt]

hm.. ive not spent too much time on story and i am a perfectionist sfdgfsdhgf
so i might give it a shot!

[wild forum]

you always can give it one go

and if for example your char pulls went to pity

you can abandon the idea and swap back

[wild bolt]

oh truee

[wild forum]

and if char went good rng you can already full swap

so no need wait for final result

just miday is okay since even if sceond part goes worst rng its still good then

[narrow heron]

Is there any specific reason behind my HoHe doing negative damage to the main MA boss this time around?

[haughty elbow]

the boss is tanky and hohe is for squishy bosses

[narrow heron]

Oh so there wasn’t any ice resistance or something going on the boss is simply too thick

[haughty elbow]

yeah

[narrow heron]

Is there any way to unlock a character (and lose the score of course) to use them for another stage in ma?

[haughty elbow]

no

just dont lock if u cant score well

use training mode to test

[narrow heron]

Bruh

[torpid orbit]

yeah, what 池小橙 said, if you’re unsure (maybe due lack of experience) better to try it out on Training Mode first to ensure that you can beat the boss with that arrangement, especially if your options are limited and you have to be careful with distributing your useable Valkyries on different bosses due to lack of options

[ashen totem]

why do i only have dorm supply as the on.y banner i xcan pull on im new and dont get this 😭 🙏

[haughty elbow]

progress more

check pins

[stark geyser]

oh sorry thanks

[shadow gyro]

does someone know how many crystals does HotT and powered duo give?

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

120

[low kestrel]

someone have a video of how i pass this one?

[floral lake]

does this carry over pity

[haughty elbow]

yes

[floral lake]

kk

ty

awww

saddd

i need 4200 crystals

[frozen crypt]

!faq otc

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[floral lake]

nah i dont think i can

get 4k

but ill get 1580 (for bridge)

[frozen crypt]

You have until april 11th, its very possible

[floral lake]

im endgame

[frozen crypt]

You have until april 11th, its very possible

[spiral badge]

try checking this channel https://www.youtube.com/@EST3TIGA

they usually cover events in hi3

[floral lake]

4th

[frozen crypt]

O lol I was looking at the shop one

[floral lake]

lmao

ill just buy the pink bridge

[frozen crypt]

Still possible but you'd need to not buy a bridge

[floral lake]

u think? how

[spiral badge]

rather than pushing for a decision now

you still have time

take the time to figure out if it's really impossible or not

[frozen crypt]

^ I'd wait until like april 3rd to decide

[floral lake]

yep

i dont even have valks for ER i just unlcoked mobius and did shallow

[spiral badge]

telling me you're at endgame doesn't really mean anything btw. If anything it kinda helps you? Maybe your abyss income is higher than a beginner

but plenty of veteran players dont' have story or events or ER cleared

every ER valk unlocked can yield 620 crystals

at ex RL you can roughly get 2k a week but we have less than 2 weeks

[frozen crypt]

Crystal calculator says you can squeak 4k by april 4th but that assumes RL retain, ER abstinence, and gemeral stuff from logging in daily. It does not however consider events, crystals you could grind out from ER shallow, and levelling valks to 15, so the reality is probably more than 4k

[floral lake]

im in agony 3/ red lotus just dropped on a3

[spiral badge]

i don't know if you have anything else uncleared. So you'll have to investigate. Go through the faq that lyo directed you to. Check through all your events.

Check through for obscure permanent sources. (Tactics class mechanics? Stress trials? chronicles? collection?)

if anything in particular troubles you then you can ask further but i think you should be able to determine things on your own if you look

even if i tell you if it's possible, it's going to be meaningless if you don't do the activity to gain the crystals because you weren't aware of it

[floral lake]

yeah i dont think im gonna do stress trials these make me rage more than i rage on any game

tactics class is done

[spiral badge]

pin codes? Hoyolab?

tbh i'm pretty sure my spreadsheet covers these

and it might cover more i don't remember

[floral lake]

i did codes

hoyolab gives like 40 lol and i do it anyways

[spiral badge]

that 40 does add up

it's effectively like an rng errand or something idk

[floral lake]

yeah ik i do it

we will see till april 3th

if i didnt quit already (again)

[spiral badge]

but yeah hi3 is guilty of leaving crystal crumbs everywhere and not all of them may be worth stuffing into a person's lifestyle

[floral lake]

yeah

im happy i have most valks so

i dont have like 16 only

[spiral badge]

if you're super desperate you may opt to start posting your invite code in #invite-links-here

or take it into your own hands with alt accounts to fulfill it

beware this is alot of work

the new account will need to do basically a week's worth of activities to get crystals for you

[floral lake]

im not desperate
at all

[spiral badge]

alright dw about it then

[floral lake]

if only i saved dorm supply cards tho

[autumn oxide]

dorm cards wont even save u what

u need 320, dorm thres gives u 310

dorm count does not count toward the first thres

[floral lake]

no like if i saved more dorm cards

like 40 50

[frozen crypt]

Only 20 count

[floral lake]

oh

didnt know

[low kestrel]

i dare someone say a event more hard then this one

[spiral badge]

teriri event can give you really bad rng

ranch event had alot of people getting stuck on a fish daily too

[gloomy acorn]

Rng fishing

[spiral badge]

it's more that they accepted the daily when they couldn't fish yet

and had progress slowed because they were locked to it

[mental coral]

It ain't hard

Completed it easily

[low kestrel]

maybe i'm to dumb for this event

[mental coral]

Nah

It's actually a struggle for some people

Ur not dumb just have bad rng

[spiral badge]

people struggle with different things

and this event is definitely more convoluted than others

if you want any specific help with it then feel free to ask

if you take the time to understand this event then there's still some rng involved but overall i personally wouldn't consider it difficult

alot of people default to flamechaser build since it's easiest to get into

but ranch gold, and from my testing, AE entropy are quite strong

some general tips

• it can be a strategy to not waste coins on refreshes or upgrading units early on so your coins can more focus on upgrading your chest. Early losses aren't punishing.
  • You can still buy units. They will sell for equal buy value later.
• Late in the game you may ignore upgrading lower units to focus more on upgrading specific high rarity ones (e.g. Kevin)

[hazy lotus]

Is the moths group the best?

[spiral badge]

edited my above statement

i consider moths quite mid

[hazy lotus]

Which one is the best?

[spiral badge]

i don't know what the absolute best is going to be, and it's not going to matter. What's optimal for your run will be at the mercy of what items you get

you don't need the best to win either. You're mostly fighting against bots at this point

[spiral badge]

sorry this isn't the channel to ask about lore questions. Try asking in #📚honkai-lore

[ancient ember]

ah mb

[maiden garden]

what time is the daily refresh?

[ancient needle]

#status

[maiden garden]

ty

[stark geyser]

I was looking through pins and couldnt find anything about which weapon to pick from the starter manual box, is it somewhere here or do I ask?

[ancient needle]

Well, strictly speaking you could've found that in the FAQ list, but ofc no one expects you to have to do that xdd
Here ya go: #👶beginner-help message

It's to use on Jade Knight

[solar drum]

when is a good time to start apho1

is it preferred to finish part 1 before starting APHO 1?

[ancient needle]

Well, it does take place after the entirety of the main story (both P1 and P2 including the not yet released stuff), but it came out at the same time as Chapter 15, so that's probs the best time to do that

APHO2 came out a lot later than that tho (at the same time as 28)

[solar drum]

im still in the middle of ER ch3 so its still ok to start apho 1?

[ancient needle]

That means you should be done with Chapter 28, so yes for both APHO1 and 2

[solar drum]

do both APHO parts contain any potential context spoilers

or its just what was known during its release time

[ancient needle]

This

[narrow heron]

Am I supposed to use astrites to get her to ss or is there some way to get her pieces from the open world?

[ancient needle]

If you insist on upgrading these skills (which you don't need to do at all), then you'd wanna spend Asterite to speed it up

You can get her frags from OW tasks, but that'll take a loooong while

[digital kiln]

How

@ancient needle help

[ancient needle]

Well, you only have 1 temporary battery rn, while you need 2

Gotta find the second one above ya

[digital kiln]

Huh ok

[inner bronze]

best team for this abyss if no SR or brick?

[sweet flax]

you'd use sr in abyss? that's interesting

(did you mean reign solaris, rs? sr is sakuno rondo)

[inner bronze]

oops- yea i meant RS

[sweet flax]

what do you have, jds?

horb with gear?

[inner bronze]

yep

[sweet flax]

yep to which one

[inner bronze]

both

[sweet flax]

do you have hos' old gear?

[inner bronze]

nope

mayb this?

[sweet flax]

you'd put ta as the leader

[inner bronze]

oh right

[sweet flax]

p1 songque is.... an interesting choice to say the least

[inner bronze]

what else would be a good choice?

[sweet flax]

if you own hos and preferably with some ranks, you can probs get away with nebs and general supportive stigmata

[inner bronze]

dont got nebs sadgely nvm ss rank

[sweet flax]

ye nevermind then

no koo?

[inner bronze]

yes koo

[sweet flax]

you can try and see if you get away with horb dps (assuming she's geared) and gpn cope on hos

otherwise stick to p1 songque

though I think just brute forcing with p2 songque would be better in the end

assuming you have the supports for it

[inner bronze]

ow
what team for horb dps tho

[sweet flax]

horb hos (for impair) ta (since rs is usually the one to replace her, but you dont have rs)

make sure to turn off horb's passive so she starts in life binder form (dps form)

[gloomy acorn]

Awa recording a run for it

[sweet flax]

makes sense, its the more realistic option for players nowadays if they lack p1

outside rs ofc

[gloomy acorn]

I'm getting fucked by 2* dudab

[inner bronze]

ic, ill try

also what's song's best p2 team rn?

[sweet flax]

sena/vita (vita if s2) and thel, though some players prefer running lantern over sena/vita

[inner bronze]

alright ty

[ancient needle]

Awa intends to make a Nirv run with that shit

(I really hope that's not overconfidence xdd)

[sweet flax]

lets be honest, its prob an ego run

[ancient needle]

Also it's more about what you're fighting

Sena vs SD enemies, Vita vs non-SD

[sweet flax]

ic... though they should be relatively equal in neutral scenarios right?

at least for wod

[ancient needle]

They're close, yeah

[amber finch]

more like dudu lead

[gloomy acorn]

I'm stuck 780 rl

[autumn oxide]

JAJAJA NOOB

[gloomy acorn]

Bro I'm stuck 2* dudab no dude lite™️

[drowsy finch]

xuanyuan sword, abyss flower, twins of eden, star of eden anti entropy, fenhuang down, infinite intimidator, key of judgement is there a way to obtain these?

[sweet flax]

no, 7 thunders is obtanable via bp right now and that's it at the moment

better luck with the bp changes next patch ||they will run older dkeys there||

[dry python]

Still no xy sword

Xy stocks appreciating

[quick birch]

|| abyss flower, twins of Eden and fenghuang down will be in the new BP ||

Just give me my xy sword

[heady relic]

Never

I stolededed your XY Sword

[quick birch]

[blissful phoenix]

Whats a good sonk team haven't a played in a while and got the new Kiana idk what do with her im still 30 pity on the weapon

[shadow gyro]

que, sena/vita, thelema
badum (when u get her wp), que, vita

oh also u can use badum as a support in sena, vita, badum

[quick birch]

Is every p2 valk geared ?

[blissful phoenix]

Yes 4/4 for all the p2 s rank and the 2 a rank

[odd plume]

can use craftable gun on badum, can still be a decent dps and support with 3/3

[blissful phoenix]

Which craftable gun?

[odd plume]

the one that cost 150 AE imaginon if you can afford it, keep it at lv35

actually nvm

just use shamash

[orchid thorn]

Hiii i left the game when Durandal Platinus Equinox was released and have been a little lost on meta now. Can someone tell me the best dps and supports in the game rn?

[odd plume]

no such thing

if you know anything about meta, it's all situational

[quick birch]

DPSs can be really good on one boss and shit on another its very situational

[odd plume]

rule of thumb is alway focus on debut valk, dont look at the meta

you prepare for future meta, not the meta now that you can't reasonably get

[ancient needle]

If you wanna know all the best DPSes and supports it's gonna be a very long list

Eh, maybe not as long

If you left when PE came out the only thing relevant to the meta you may have is HoS

[orchid thorn]

the thing is which valk should i get next

[ancient needle]

Well, how many crystals do you have rn?

Any pity built on the valk banner?

[orchid thorn]

i dont know HAHAHAH im downloading the game again

[ancient needle]

Tbh it could be best to make a new acc

[orchid thorn]

but probably none

[ancient needle]

Unless you have a lot of gacha dkeys somehow

[orchid thorn]

but i have so many outfits 😭 from old events

i even have asuka

cant say goodbye to all that

[ancient needle]

Well, ofc it's up to you to decide, but a new acc would allow you to get back into the game a lot quicker
And it's not like you have to give that acc away or smth

Anyway, if you do decide to keep this one you'll probs have to skip both this and the next patch

[orchid thorn]

why?

[ancient needle]

Because too broke

[orchid thorn]

hahahah yeah

which valk should i try getting?

[ancient needle]

Well, that's the point, you can't afford to even try to get anyone

Weaps are not optional, and a weapless valk is a very bad thing to do to your acc

[orchid thorn]

i like to single pull

[odd plume]

no clear target, just save and see when you get enough for something

[orchid thorn]

okay😭

[odd plume]

mostly next patch valk but may not have enough, so 8.3 valk

[ancient needle]

That's called "gacha addiction"

[orchid thorn]

i know but sometimes i got super lucky

[ancient needle]

Even if you do get super lucky and get the valk it's very unlikely you'll manage to get the weap

[odd plume]

you wont get best of anything with that

[orchid thorn]

yeah thats true

is seele still meta i didnt get her when they realeased her because i wasnt playing anymore but It was my favourite character

???

[ancient needle]

Rebirth? She's niche

Mainly cuz of how Part 2 team comps work

[ancient needle]

Also you ain't getting her anytime soon

[orchid thorn]

what does that mean? english isnt my first language

[ancient needle]

Too old to rerun and too new to become farmable

[tiny tendon]

yo i just got back into the game would the new kiana battlesuit be worth it?

[ancient needle]

Useful in only few specific scenarios

[orchid thorn]

oh :(

[ancient needle]

How many crystals do you have rn?

Any pity built on the valk and weap banners?

[orchid thorn]

can you explain that to me?

[tiny tendon]

6 pity left on valk banner and i have 20k crystals left

not pity on the weap banners tho

[ancient needle]

The in-game tutorials explain it decently well iirc

Essentially all Part 2 valks have a thing called "Astral Ring"

There are multiple types of them (each valk has only one)

The leader decides which type will be active (the leader is also the DPS)

[orchid thorn]

so like elements

???

[ancient needle]

To support a specific type you need valks with the respective AR tags

[odd plume]

seem good enough to pull for her, what p2 valk do you have?

[ancient needle]

For example, World Star DPSes want valks with the Domain Resonance tag (they can be of any AR type)

And only valks with Astral Ring can have these tags

[tiny tendon]

only fullset sonque

[ancient needle]

If you really want an analogy then valk types would be a better one

[tiny tendon]

also guys will this last?

[ancient needle]

Just think of it being a specific trait of a valk

[odd plume]

not bad, badum songque coralie will be your team for now

[ancient needle]

Gotta wait for like a week

[ancient needle]

The active AR type defines the playstyle of the team

This describes them: #👶beginner-help message

[tiny tendon]

thank you so i get fullset badum

[orchid thorn]

thank you so much its a little bit overwhelming for me but i loved the game so much that i wanted to come back again thanks for the help

[odd plume]

could be hard to retain redlotus with that team however

[tiny tendon]

i still have no plans on being on redlotus hahaha thank you tho

[frozen crypt]

I would strongly recommend looking through some p2 valks to see what astral ring tags they have: i.e. harmonized shadow star, heavenly shift

It really helps to look for those when building a team

and invest into coralie asap with asterite and her character card is free from the beginning of part 2 story

[covert delta]

should i go for these taurus by crafting and salvaging weapons?

also should i buy the reroll device or mini wafer box or normal crystal core?

[ancient needle]

If you don't have any other priorities (check Mirage Farming in the pins) sure

[covert delta]

i dont have judah yet but this is time gated for months so idk

[ancient needle]

It's very far from being "months"

A month ye

[covert delta]

i mean the month is gonna end soon

[sweet flax]

judah didnt even take me a month

[ancient needle]

Who tf counts like that 😭

[covert delta]

no cuz theres a monthly time limit on the taurus

[ancient needle]

Anyway
No, no and not yet

[covert delta]

okayyy

[ancient needle]

You likely have other stuff to spend Asterite on

Affixes matter only in RL and Nirv anyway

[sweet flax]

even rl is debatable tbh

[ancient needle]

• you can buy NCCs with Coins (be very careful tho)

[ancient needle]

If you're using BiS yes, for bruteforcing they can be nice imo

[sweet flax]

defo

[covert delta]

this is the right thing right

[sweet flax]

but I meant trying for perfect atk stats is unnecessary in rl

now you see why you should save asterite atm

you get it a lot there's no rush to using it on asterite shop

[covert delta]

i have enough for judah now am i just supposed to refresh this shop until it is there once i salvaged the remaining 2 weapons?

[ancient needle]

Back in my days we only had 6 refreshes 👴

[covert delta]

a week?

[ancient needle]

Well, 7 if you count the automatic one on the weekly reset ofc

[covert delta]

wait theres all sig weapons of old chars in there 🤯

[ancient needle]

Uh-huh

[sweet flax]

chill out boomer it was 1 patch ago it got changed

[ancient needle]

Erm akshually 2

[sweet flax]

same same

1 2, same number

wait what's next weather

[quick birch]

Flux tank

[sweet flax]

flux then bleed? think I should promo to nirv without a bleed team rn

[quick birch]

Looked at the wrong week

[sweet flax]

lol

im debating retaining vs promoting this abyss

since I have a team for flux

[quick birch]

I wanna try flux in nirv but idk if I can promote on SK

And I also don't want lose my nirv Emblem -6 atk

[covert delta]

should i buy the version limited things or reroll devices from here

also this spatial convectron

[sweet flax]

ancient willpower is not a bad idea if you need to unlock valks with it wafer stabilizers are debatable in higher tier abyss where you'd be consistently using them, and wafer data is unecessary

[covert delta]

oki

[gloomy acorn]

Dudu?

[sweet flax]

fws

[gloomy acorn]

Better pray brack slacc enough to live without doodoo

[rugged compass]

Except Nue >:(
(Its not even good, im just salty)

[wild forum]

do I get a char for dorm/ER or the reroll device from this as relativly new player?

i know NGX isnt on the asterite exchange, but I dont know how often she is availabe otherwise usually

[cyan dune]

Who is the best characters to save for in war treasury?

[cyan dune]

It's in the pins iirc

But tldr it's says to save it for late game if you need the resources that aren't the s ranks iirc

[wild forum]

aight I just hold then ty

[quick birch]

They are all pretty outdated but we have a pin for that, some still find use in SS MA

[cyan dune]

Lmao atp I'm starting to believe there is a pin for everything 🤣

[haughty elbow]

theres a pin for common questions

[hazy lotus]

How can I use Herscher of finality (with divine key) as support?

[pastel oyster]

At what level does a beginner player unlock Elysian Realm ?

[mental python]

Help pls

[haughty elbow]

press wa

[mental python]

Me after going through a 20 hour long 3D minigame about some captain and a vampire just to get 100 gems 💎

[hazy lotus]

And then switch?

[mental python]

I remember 40 but that might have been APHO… wasn’t too long ago for me

[quick birch]

50

[mental python]

Okay I solved it

[haughty elbow]

yes

[hazy lotus]

Ok got it, do I use her ult or not?

[haughty elbow]

could but doesnt do anything other than dmg

[abstract sequoia]

i'd say only a lot of difference against imaginary enemies for core damage

otherwise pretty meh

however, this isn't the case for her world star support. there you want to ult after doing her resonance triggers

[haughty elbow]

the ult is pretty mid even on world star

its good for animation reset

[abstract sequoia]

less mid than on roo or hoo support

[quick birch]

it was used to ground yourself on birb but ive never really seen it used for dmg

it doesnt really matter anyway

[abstract sequoia]

literally anywhere where she runs as world star support

[calm kernel]

https://www.dcode.fr/lights-out-solver

[abstract sequoia]

even kosma as a quantum enemy got ulted

because it's just free dmg

in this instance, she supports Sparkle

[haughty elbow]

its free dmg no matter what team u use

the dmg is just bad

[abstract sequoia]

yeah

just want to get the point across that skipping ult if the rotation allows it would be a waste

[mental python]

Thank you!

[spiral badge]

if your damage is already sufficient then even a time stop ult very slightly wastes time going in and out of it, and wouldn't be optimal to perform.

But for the purpose of beginner help it's fine to use it by default.

[cold skiff]

i only have the og astral op should i pull on the current?

[quick birch]

astral ops arent needed until nirvana retain. SS DS is more than enough for RL

even for nirv retain SS DS works depending on the weather

[low kestrel]

oh sorry ai chan

NOOOOO

😭

[cold skiff]

sorry i dont actually understand what your telling me

[quick birch]

Astral ops arent needed until you want to retain nirvana. SS dreamseeker ( standard AOP) is enough for RL sometimes even for nirvana retain depending on the weather

[low kestrel]

@spiral badgewhat should i buy here?

[spiral badge]

there's no need to rush anything right now. None of the items sold there have any time limited stock

it can be whatever you need but realistically at an endgame level all i buy from there are NCCs for affixes

[thorn turret]

are fws' er drums considered summons for infinity?

[spiral badge]

infinity? As in mobius signets in elysian realm?

please make sure the context is clear because ER and main mode are very different

[thorn turret]

err yeah ER infinity signets

[spiral badge]

uh i don't remember if it's an ER adjustment or an ely signet change but kiana's drums that you can bounce can be considered summons

i'll login to check really quick

[wild forum]

is there an affix that keeps you alive no matter what in the new event?

on kiana final boss I had like 1 hp at the end

on this big boss guy

not sure if carried by event or lucky that I just finished

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/qND0Jam.png

[thorn turret]

Thanks!

[spiral badge]

what signets did you pick? Looks like you have kosma which may drain your hp but leave you alive

there may actually be effects that makes you not killable but i don't recall fws having anything like that. Granted I'm not too familiar with FWS in ER

[wild forum]

yeah it was prolly the hp drain one I picked at random sometime that put me to 1

but I played kiana before in ER and never had something that would keep me alive at least

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/NWgzNLC.png did you pick the right one here?

[wild forum]

yeah prolly picked it without checking and then got screwed .. almost died there last second

[tropic vortex]

what could i use as badum team? the only part 2 valks i have are coralie and helia, and the only other S rank i have is HotV 😭

[wild forum]

TA is fine until you get a proper third and you easily get her with some asterite from shop

[quick birch]

badumm+coralie+RC/TA/CN. are you familliar with p2 team building yet ?

[spiral badge]

try coralie with chrono navi for now

turn off coralie's qte in skills.

You can play the team according to this video
#💁gameplay-help message

if you want to go with coralie and prometheus (TA) then i have this demonstration too #💁gameplay-help message

but (for the people who understand the game) i feel CN's fire damage taken is more worthwhile than TA's total damage taken (that cora is already providing)

Maybe you can make an argument for TA's personal damage though. idk.

[wild forum]

I think chrono navi is better if you have resources to put on a third throw-away chararacter that will never be used again in another team or side once you replace it with a P2 char, while TA is still useful afterwards in phys weak content or side 2 while doing something similar for your primary team

as new player myself too, building TA was way better resource wise and shes way more versatile

[sweet flax]

they are both pretty limited, but physical is more accessible to beginners which is why TA is the better choice

[wild forum]

and if you get 2 more chars for kiana team down the line, you can put coraline + TA + another new dps in p2 while CN would die after getting replaced in kiana + coraline team

[sweet flax]

in any case, there isnt a need to pick up a unit from the asterite shop unless you are skipping the patch you are starting

[spiral badge]

in the case of memorial arena which isn't really important aside from just clearing, early players more opt to split up their gacha valks across fights

so in that regard i can still imagine CN still seeing use and i really don't think it's too bad down the line if the player is stuck with FWS for a while early on

but overall i do agree TA is more useful and higher priority

[wild forum]

||for example the 8.2 valk is physical||

[sweet flax]

that shouldnt be mentioned yet

[wild forum]

||so if you make 2 teams you could throw her + TA into p2||

[spiral badge]

the reason why i even leaned towards the less wide option is because the people i've helped in such a situation tend to come in for abyss optimizing. It's incredibly awkward and higher damage is prioritized.

[sweet flax]

spoiler tag that

[spiral badge]

8.2 details aren't officially announced outside of CN so that needs to be spoiler tagged

[spiral badge]

this bit

[sweet flax]

the other message,

[spiral badge]

thanks

[sweet flax]

also, beginners now get access to much more valks that the need to pick up an sp valk for ma is less needed

in either case, rc is a good filler support option that beginners are given

cases will exist where you can benefit from picking up sp valks, but there isnt necessarily a need unti later where you can take advantage of the full benefit from owning them
at least in my opinion

[spiral badge]

anyway for closure, if they're very new and options are limited then sure lean towards TA for now. They need more widely useful valks and there prob isn't a need to optimize damage in qmani yet.

Hopefully they pick up a future new release gacha valk with weapon before the need for CN arises.

but if they're already in exalted and need to push points in superstring then lean towards CN perhaps
-# TA/RC can still get a niche mention for img scenarios but we're past that now

[sweet flax]

at least the more recent sp valks are available in er, and can provide dorm level progression

so its not the worst if they do have to pick one up

[spiral badge]

yeah but that can come way later. I don't think it's really an argument for my defense lol

[sweet flax]

im in agreement with your defense

im saying as an add on, should worst come to shove, there's that going for them

[spiral badge]

but it's definitely an inevitability. Just not a priority relevant to the current considerations

yeah

[green sail]

Is Magical Girl Sirin still usable?

I'm a casual player I don't care about getting the best scores or anything. Just the minimum for each mode

[sweet flax]

she's extremely niche and relatively terrible generally speaking (and that's assuming you have the bare minimum which is her full gear)

[frozen crypt]

Usable yes but very demanding, getting her to a usable state takes a really long time

I can smell the sai wall I'll just let it happen

[sweet flax]

[spiral badge]

ty for specifying you're casual but can you elaborate what you mean by minimum for each mode?

for MA i assume this merely means clearing the boss and not scoring well at all which is what we mainly recommend anyway

• however do note that sirin doesn't have much moves that slows down the timer and may struggle to even clear if not well built

for abyss, there's mulitple tiers. Lowest generally assumes sinful (technically forbidden but it's very rare to fall that far) in which case there's plenty of inactive players that anything can prob get by as long as you play at all

for elysian realm, you can play as low as void and get by with anything. For weekly deep seq ER crystals you can always use a different valk such as coralie to aim for abstinence.

[calm thistle]

are these affixes good

[frozen crypt]

Bottom one is, top one is useless

Elemental dmg doesnt crit

[spiral badge]

elementals do not crit in this game

[calm thistle]

ohh okay

[spiral badge]

if you're early i personally would recommend you to not bother with affixes for now

[frozen crypt]

!faq affix

[small willow]

Everything you need to know about Affixes

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the in-depth Affixing guide!

Overall, you should only affix Best-in-Slot Stigmata and generally aim to get as much Atk as possible on your DPS Valkyries first. Ensure that the Battlesuit/Weapon Type matches what the Affix line demands otherwise the Atk will not apply.

Remember only Physical Damage can crit, and "crit ratios" do not apply to Honkai Impact 3rd.

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[frozen crypt]

This faq contains pretty much everything about affixing

[calm thistle]

thanks

[frozen crypt]

Don't touch affix locks if you're early on, spending a little ncc to get some easy atk is fine but don't go overboard, ncc is a very restricted resource

[low estuary]

best way to farm it?

[frozen crypt]

uhhhhh for beginners I'm not sure if there's a viable way to "farm" ncc, ofc u can salvage useless 3★ stigs to get quite a bit of ncc but thats not reaaally farming

[spiral badge]

NCCs are more of something your excess resources becomes when you reach late in the game

depending on how competitive you are, you may never get enough of them either

hence why i said to not bother with them early on

an argument can be made for not spending too much to get something relevant/decent early on when you don't have much other enhancements

but i would argue the differences in your ranking scores are still going to be due to bad team comps/gears/execution for it to matter

[amber lintel]

Ely with the new set can support for the new Kiana correct?

[spiral badge]

needs her weapon but yes

[amber lintel]

Kiana or Ely? I'm still working on getting Kianas but ely has a full set + weapon

[spiral badge]

HoHE Ely with her weapon can support FWS Kiana

[shadow gyro]

if you have her dkey she can support LoA (which includes the new kiana) and WoD (although she's not outstanding with her buffs) and one new ring that didn't release yet

[spiral badge]

hohe weapon gives her astral ring functionalities. Specifically she gains the following roles

• Wheel of Destiny Ring type (DPS)
• The following attributes (support)
  • Heavenly Shift (for LoA which is Kiana)
  • Harmonized Shadow Star (for other Wheel of Destiny leaders)
  • ??? Locked skill (for future new ring type)

[shadow gyro]

note: ego is not her dkey, if you're a beginner and is looking at the wp box that have a pink bow, that's not her dkey)

[quick birch]

Ely can support Kiana since Kiana has the Astral ring specialization LoA, which means her supports want to have the heavenly shift AR attribute. Kiana can't support WoD since she does not have the harmonized shadow AR attribute

[amber lintel]

I have the one from the gacha that just passed

[shadow gyro]

that's good!

[amber lintel]

Yeah I made sure to try and get the whole set before it left now I'm just worried about getting Kiana's weapon

[spiral badge]

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

review this to make sure you're not missing anything

although it doesn't cover events within this patch so you'll have to check that separately

keep in mind stigmatas are craftable at worst so you can stop rolling as soon as you get weapon

[amber lintel]

Yeah I know that as well I just been keep getting stigs but at least I got Ely's weapon early and just used a box iirc

[lapis mason]

help

[amber lintel]

I wish I could get Hofi again but I know you shouldn't pull old units, for now I'ma use badum Kiana, the little dog girl and Ely

[humble shadow]

left top left

[maiden garden]

I can't kill fu hua in this one

And which quest is this?

[frozen crypt]

!faq cof

O im slow

[maiden garden]

Thank you

[frozen crypt]

I've never seen anyone struggle on ch8 the solution is probably dodge more

[stark geyser]

hey guys quick question looked but couldnt find ER shop guide on pins, am I supposed to go for weekly stuff first in ER and save leftover for stamps or prioritize stamps first?

[frozen crypt]

O ur right we actually never made a pin/faq for that, prioritise the 10 weekly spatial lenses and tsp, the rest depends on what u need on ur acc specifically

And I'm sure theres other patch/week limited stuff too

(I have forgotten, I buy out shops on monday using muscle memory)

[quick birch]

The honkai cubes are really nice but I never really struggled with buying weekly/version limited stuff if you play ER consistently you should be able to buy everything and afford a stamp once in a while

[junior hound]

Hello, should i use the lv50 card stigmas? (For FWS)

[frozen crypt]

Do you have her weapon?

[junior hound]

Her wep and all her set

[frozen crypt]

Then yeah you can, you want to use those cards on TB stigs tho because...

[junior hound]

But apparently getting her wep 50 is a bit expensive

[frozen crypt]

!faq savecoins

[small willow]

Saving Coins

I'm here to help, Captain!

To save coins, upgrade your (M) Stigma to 5-star, and leave it unlevelled at Lv. 1/50!
Why? Because there is no damage loss doing so!
(See image below)

You'll save a chunk of coins and twin soul crystals, which can be used for upgrading other equipment!

NOTE: This does not apply to all (M) Stigmata, [click here](#👶beginner-help message) for a more detailed explanation!

[junior hound]

I meant cards

The free lv50 instant cards

[frozen crypt]

What

[junior hound]

Not normal upgrading

[frozen crypt]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about

The faq is telling you why not to use those cards on M

[junior hound]

Im not using coins tho, how is it relevant

[junior hound]

Ill use it on T and B ? Or is there something wrong here

[frozen crypt]

Because I'm showing you why not to use it on M stigs

Cuz they don't need lvl 50

[frozen crypt]

Yes thats fine

Just don't use those cards on M pieces (we will probably get more over time) unless its a phys valk then it wont matter cuz they want the CRT anyway

[junior hound]

I have two cards anyways so I won't waste one of them on an inefficient stigma

[frozen crypt]

Yes exactly use them on TB which need lvl 50

[junior hound]

Also i need it kind of, for starters manual

Another question, is it easy to stay at red lotus abyss?

Because the rewards seems nice

[quick birch]

In abyss below lvl 81 yes, above 81 can take some time but you will get there eventually

[junior hound]

Well it's okay i guess since it'll be a while for lv81

[stark geyser]

uhh sorry to jump in but one last question, checked the asterite shop pin but no mention of honkai shard/didnt see, should I be using AE for them or try to only get them thru events and stuff?

[spark fern]

yes you can use AE for them

[quick birch]

You can spend AE on them if you desperately need them, AE can be easily farmed through expeditions and Open world task. No need to spend them if you don't need the honkai cube

[junior hound]

Anything i can look for at the spending shop? I already bought the elf box shards

Because someone here said the valk is not farmable so i better choose elf box

I have like 50 coins left anything else worth it?

[mystic oak]

guys is hos signature or ae signature better for hos support

[cinder peak]

should I raise Coralie to SS? (S atm) using her as filler for badum, songque atm

[abstract sequoia]

Why wouldn't you? She will have much use for you until you literally covered every team to no longer need her filler

And SSSing her is actually a priority

but look what you gain on rank-up, you'll have more abilities that change up the way you apply buffs but in a convenient way

especially this is very important for her SS

[narrow heron]

Where are these side missions and how can I do them

[quick birch]

When you talk to the flame chasers after completing a deep sequence of floor 5 or above, the ones with the blue dots above their head are the side mission.

[mellow surge]

I almost have enough spending event points to get HoRb but idk if she's worth it?? What do you guys think?

[golden arrow]

#👶beginner-help message you could look into this

[mellow surge]

Thank you! Welp now I'm a little sad because she's cool but I don't think I need her in my roster. But I may get some stamps. This is the first time I've actually saved enough to get the valk

[golden arrow]

xD, I got herrscher of flamescion from these valk things because I needed her for stress battles and spent all my ancient legacy on herrscher of thunder, bad option i did here but idk

[spiral badge]

if you looked at the pin, that was the one of the least recommended things to get.

HoFS is farmable from WT and stress trials have no time limit to complete by.

[golden arrow]

yea ik

I need fws weapon though

14 pity atm

[spiral badge]

I don't have an issue with you picking it for yourself but don't ping someone in a help channel with a non recommended decision you did without proper disclaimers

[mellow surge]

Lmao but HoT is still pretty useful!
I used ancient legacy to get flamescion, and Mobius with selector box- because I needed gacha moneys from ER lol

[spiral badge]

unfamiliar people may otherwise assume this is something to generally consider

[thick bolt]

HoT and useful aren't two words I'd use together now

[golden arrow]

ppl with common sense and who actually clicked on the msg (which was the pinned msg) where it was should alr understand that it was action^

[mellow surge]

I still see her pop up in MA occasionally for leader bonus

[spiral badge]

This is not justification for freely talking about your bad decisions without making it clear.

I said unfamiliar people for a reason. We are trying to minimize these sort of instances happening as much as possible. It's not uncommon for people to be overwhelmed by the details and just blindly take someone else's word.

Not everyone here is primarily english literate either.

[thick bolt]

I think you mean LE, and that's for SS MA

[spiral badge]

It really isn't that common nowadays.

If you mean SS MA then that's more of a free for all and multiple different teams can handle it with how powercreeped it's become. HoT isn't really a prime investment choice for it.

Yeah LE and HFS are the more common leaders. For physical there's SI and to a lesser degree CE (although CE isn't really a phys support).

[golden arrow]

then idk what kind of ppl are those, edited that msg anyway

[spiral badge]

thanks. Sorry if that came off as harsh.

ultimately all sorts of people come in here. There isn't really a minimum bar of common sense to assume aside from discord tos and the server rules officially speaking

and people's common sense can greatly differ from region to region esp when some go as far as using a translator to communicate

[mellow surge]

Yeah I guess it is SS MA? I'm at level 80 cap.

I have seen LE more than Herrscher of thunder but she does still pop up in the top sometimes. Occasionally (using this very loosely) I base viability on MA teams. Granted sometimes it's all people have, whales showing off, or the meme of completing with an outdated valk

[spiral badge]

oh so you haven't broken through yet?

so you don't have access to exalted's SSS bosses yet. That's why everything is SS and why HoT may be more common.

[mellow surge]

No I am scared lol. I want to but people keep saying only whales do it, and I don't want to lose out on crystals. I have gotten top .2% of ma many times tho

[spiral badge]

huh that's very strange

!faq breakthrough

[small willow]

Breakthrough

Hello, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information regarding Breaking through to Exalted (Captain Level 81+).

Short Answer:

• It is highly recommended to break through for better rewards, but be aware that it is irreversible!

Also see !faq superstring regarding Exalted Abyss

[spiral badge]

you're actually recommended to breakthrough asap

[thick bolt]

lemme pull out the ol reliable

[spiral badge]

but maybe you can show us what your valk roster looks like and what your current abyss standings are

[thick bolt]

+100 crystals to each tier

[green sail]

Tysm! Idk if I should make a new account or use my old one. Which has basically just normal units + HoTr but that's it really.

[spiral badge]

normal units?

for assessing an account now i'll be mainly looking for astral ring units

so i guess you mean non astral ring (part2) valks?

[thick bolt]

with how easy it is to build up 2 teams with p2 you can realistically retain RL in a couple months as f2p and sleep for eternity
nirvana is for if you wanna sweat for the rankings

[green sail]

Yeah

[spiral badge]

btw you shouldn't really base viability on MA.

Ranking high in MA only gives you more ancient willpower which are only used to get outdated/niche valks in war treasury. In other words it's not important.

Abyss by contrast is more important since you actually get crystals from doing better in it (as per starfall's image)

MA timer mechanics are different from abyss. Time fracture and suspended animations can slow down the clock there making strategies and teams very different.

[mellow surge]

Oh cool id appreciate it!

My abyss is shit tho I don't really try since you get all rewards for just doing it. Each floor rotates bio/mech/Psy basically and I'm too lazy to leave each floor to counter. BUT today I'll go ham and see how I do :)

One sec I'll pull up my roster

[spiral badge]

do you have anything in your existing account you're highly attached to? Can be anything but most especially events and frames or collab stuff like asuka (BH) valk that are no longer obtainable

[green sail]

Yeah..i have the achievement which shows I was there when co-op still existed😭 and some event stuff these are my valks tho pretty bad I'll say but I don't really wanna loose the account

[maiden garden]

In this thing, Silverwing will be best to get right

[green sail]

And i know if I start over a new account I won't use this one so idk

[spiral badge]

loosely speaking your crystal income shouldn't change too drasticially after a breakthrough. Although there can be some niche cases where you may observe a slight drop. (e.g. RL masters going to agony 2 in exalted. Still minor in the grand scheme of things but can justify delaying a breakthrough. Although honestly this can be hard to measure)

The other justification i can give for not breaking through is if you're not ready for all the changes that will happen yet. I highly recommend looking up how exalted fights are like to get an idea.

but if you're not sure what your current abyss standing is like since you've been leaving it alone then it'll be more difficult to assess. Maybe see how far you can go for a few cycles (what is the highest tier you can reach?)

You seem really focused on MA overall which is fine even if i say reward wise it isn't important

if SS MA is the main reason why you play this game and you don't want to see your MA fights change to longer double phased SSS fights where your old strategies don't work anymore, then maybe just stay in masters forever and never breakthrough.

It's not common but it's not wrong to play the game that way. There's definitely a few out there that does this

[spiral badge]

if you really value that achievement/emblem then stick with the account. Starting a new account will give you a better jumpstart into new content but you'll never get that back.

Focus on saving crystals for now. Check pins for crystal sources.

!faq crystals

[small willow]

One-time Crystal Sources

Ai-chan is here, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the One-time Crystal Sources pin!

Also Click here for Professor Sairaan's Crystal Sources Spreadsheet!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

!faq rates

[small willow]

The Data Behind Battlesuit Gacha Rates

So, you want to learn the Dark Arts, Captain?

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for the details of how the Gacha System works and how the expenses of the Part 1 and Part 2 systems compare.

Does Soft Pity Exist?
Data suggests that it does exist (starting at 76 pulls), but it is not confirmed anywhere by HoYoverse so we can't be 100% sure.

Averages and Worst Cases (Valkyrie + All Gear)

• Part 1 vs 2 Average - 140 Pulls (40k ) vs 78 pulls (22k )
• Part 2 "Soft pity valk" + average wep 106 pulls (30k )
• Worst Case:
• Part 1 vs 2 Max - 300 pulls (84k ) vs 150 pulls (42k )

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

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try to save roughly 40k for a next new valk release. Don't roll without some sort of guarantee of valk + weapon in mind before the banner goes away.

[green sail]

Ty! I'll just save up crystals through the story and other things I can get since I haven't done the story at all lmao.

[spiral badge]

The pins should address this. Silverwing isn't farmable of all of these but overall none of these valks are really used at a meta level for abyss at this point. The actual optimal meta choice is to leave the box alone and later on pick a max affix item, but these are marginal benefits.

[maiden garden]

Oh

[spiral badge]

an old account can recover into the meta but it just takes more time to get more crystals. That's all.

Catching up to the meta is actually keeping up with most newer releases while waiting for the older releases to fall off eventually.

Meta isn't the only way to play the game either. Maybe think about how much of a balance of meta/casual you want. Esp consider meta less if you don't see yourself maintaining the game regularly.

[spiral badge]

The second pin addresses this btw

anyway if you have any further questions feel free to ask

[maiden garden]

Is this quest "very" long

[green sail]

I see ty for your advice I've seen people saying I should just 100% drop my account but I had some events and stuff there that I can't really replace ty!

[thick bolt]

about 10-20 minutes in p2 story

[maiden garden]

Oh good

[spiral badge]

@mellow surge also for this replied point, keep in mind that breakthrough is irreversible. If you really enjoy MA currently then once again consider never breaking through.

[spiral badge]

i can see why people would recommend it from a strict meta perspective overall. but yeah some other things can be more important. it's really up to you

you can also consider making a separate account while keeping the current one's credentials handy in case the separate one doesn't work out

[maiden garden]

is getting confused in the main menu scren normal?

[spiral badge]

i would say so. This game is quite old and there's alot of systems in it at this point

[maiden garden]

Oh I see
Also how to beat fu hua in this stage

[spiral badge]

i also highly recommend checking out the pins. Lots of information there that might be overwhelming too but it'll give you a sharper idea of how to tackle things

[charred basin]

Is there a list of recommended weapons and stigma for every character?

[maiden garden]

I have been reading everything in pins 😭😭

[spiral badge]

most of the time it's just going to be their signature gear. Weapons are gacha only while stigmatas at worst are craftable for newer astral ring valks.

very rarely there can be exceptions but those are more case specific

[spiral badge]

let us know if anything in it confuses you

[charred basin]

So is there a guide for crafting or do I just blindly waste resources while searching random posts on hoyolab?

[spiral badge]

as for this, i don't really have much game breaking advice. You can take things slow and stay away from her as she's doing attacks.

She does do more troublesome wall attacks if the fight takes too long.

The valk you're playing (scarlet fusion himeko i assume) does have gimmicks in how she attacks. You want to time her hits and not mash them.

[green sail]

That fight actually took me so much time lmao it was so embarrassing😭

I beat it by just...oh wow learning how to dodge-

[maiden garden]

The problem I had was her hp bar instead of going from
3x to 2x it went back to 3x

[green sail]

Yeah that happens if you take too long

[maiden garden]

Interesting

[green sail]

I think

[maiden garden]

I was hitting her continuously

[spiral badge]

for knowing what is the signature set you can try clicking this i button at the top left in the valk menu https://i.imgur.com/vMaXpav.png

then going to the equipment tab

i actually do NOT recommend studying from this info screen. Some recommendations or descriptions aren't good.

But for signature gear that will be in the master category. It'll be the same stig set within the weapon banner too.
https://i.imgur.com/rlL6XJw.png

but as for when to actually craft, you'll mainly consider it when

• if you're going to get the weapon, finish rolling for it first and see what stigs you wind up in the process. Don't forget you get a selection box at the start of each patch too. Crafting is a last resort

!faq stigbox

[small willow]

Free Stigmata Boxes

Hey, Captain!

In Honkai Impact 3rd Part 2, most new Valkyries will have a Stigma Option box given for free! But when should you use them?

If you are pulling for the corresponding weapon, you should open the box AFTER you have 2 different pieces of that stigmata set already. These stigma boxes are optimally used to finish a stigmata set. This also applies to Part 1 stigmata boxes, if you have any.

If you...

• Obtained the weapon before you got at least 2 stigmata set pieces, stop pulling! Open the box to get the best piece and then craft any missing stigmata (you can find these in Foundry).
• Already got the full stigmata set before the weapon (there are high chances that you did), keep the box as a collectible or open it, select a random stigma and salvage it for Source Prism.
• Are skipping or have skipped the corresponding weapon but want to get the Stigmata set, open the box first for the best piece then craft the other two via Foundry.
• Skipped the weapon and do not intend to craft the Stigmata set, you have no urgent reason to open the box, so keep it.

Regarding Bronya: N-EX, you can open the box once you own T or B and use it to finish TB. M is not BiS on SW.

[spiral badge]

• another scenario is if you plan to never get the weapon but somehow already have the valk that's already past her release (farmable valks, event giveaway or free rolls). In that case try to be conservative. Avoid crafting if you don't need to. Otherwise see how far you need to invest. You can craft 3pc but not upgrade anything (combination effects don't scale by upgrades and levels), or you can upgrade partially. (Higher upgrades cost more prisms)

!faq prisms

!faq source prism

!faq prism

[small willow]

Source Prism

Hi, Captain!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) for more information about Prisms such as their sources!

Source Prisms are a very limited resource, so please be very careful not to waste them. They are used to upgrade and craft Part 2 Stigmata (all Part 2 Stigmata are forgeable).

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[thick bolt]

[shadow gyro]

https://youtu.be/K9J41zeGacs?si=42gxM3lnXDl75II9 (starts at 24:33) here's a video that u can use for reference
u can look at other playthroughs if you wanna see what they do
scarlet fusion and a lot of himeko battelsuits are understandably chunky so its ok if it took you time to finish with her

[lime talon]

can i change expeidtions i get for frags in dorm? i cant figure out how to change it

[thick bolt]

Oh nvm, didn't read

[maiden garden]

👍

[thick bolt]

Have to 3* manually in the expeditions tab to be able to do through afk dorm

[lime talon]

i did

how do i change it now

[thick bolt]

Just select it from the list?

[mellow surge]

Tysm! I'll try harder and see how I do, thank you I do actually feel a bit more confident to breakthrough, I'll be watching some vids so I know what I'm getting into lol.

I mostly focused on MA for the emblem, and again it doesn't really matter in abyss how you do pre breakthrough for rewards-- but now I'll actually try lol

On that note, if it's ok I went through and picked out my valks. fully geared, not full, etc. the ones I like or use a lot, here's pics-- I'm on my phone rn so it's potato sorry. I may have missed some

[lime talon]

this one

[spiral badge]

from your 4/4 gears being mostly recent astral ring valks i think there's decent confidence you'll be fine in exalted abyss when you're ready to adapt to how it's like

you can probably achieve RL or at least A3. both of which will be higher income than masters RL tier

but beware once you breakthrough abyss also changes. You would no longer be trying to just clear floors within the time limit. The goal in exalted abyss is to compete against other players for fastest clear times

and brackets can be volatile where some can be full of very high scores while others can be filled with very low scores (this is pretty extreme to say but overall a possibility)

[spiral badge]

can you elaborate what you mean by changing? I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to change

[lime talon]

the one where in the dorm u can farm frag afk

[onyx lynx]

I recommend online ref videos

[lime talon]

that take like 50 min

[onyx lynx]

It makes it easier to do ma/abyss runs

[spiral badge]

are you talking about changing the act?

or maybe you already sent out some dorm expeds and want to call them back (you can't)

if you mean the quick expedition button, it's entirely based on the most recent batch you completed and accepted the rewards of

[thick bolt]

Augment Cores are under the materials tab

[lime talon]

yea that how

[thick bolt]

Dorm -> Expeditions -> Materials -> Choose from the list

[lime talon]

i only see one which is from seele that i did a while ago

[spiral badge]

i gave 3 scenarios there. can you specify which you mean?

because i'm still not sure what exactly is the issue

[thick bolt]

they can't find the fulminata exped in dorm

[lime talon]

nope i got it

[lime talon]

i was blind it was mats

[spiral badge]

oh ok then

[thick bolt]

at least it's solved now

[lime talon]

is the stamina used reset daily or weekly

[thick bolt]

daily

[lime talon]

ok now im stuck with this

i cant enter this er mode

[spiral badge]

@mellow surge adding on to this, you can check pins in #💁gameplay-help to see where to look for possible references and example optimized fights to basically copy off of or to base on.

Check out #video-creations too.

[lime talon]

and theres also this

[spiral badge]

does it want you to do something in the hub area?

[lime talon]

idk

[spiral badge]

yeah try going around and up the stairs on that side to reach that area

[lime talon]

lmfao i never saww the stairs

[wild bolt]

these are my current valks
i was told to build coralie and pardofelis - who else from here should i work on?
i started building all of them before realizing thats not a great idea lol

[spiral badge]

does senadina have her weapon?

well for now you can work towards helia too so you have a full astral ring team

but don't invest in helia highly. She's very lackluster and has no place in the top meta anymore

don't spend prisms for her stigmatas if your prism count is below 27. And if you're going to spend prisms, prioritize sena and coralie's first

prioritize ranking up coralie > Helia.

Pardo doesn't really need to exceed A or S rank.

• S is notable if you want to use her as a dps for memorial arena or if the team she's supporting can reliably freeze bosses. Unlikely if it's not an ice team.

Prom i'm not too familiar with her ranks. Maybe S is fine for her at this point when your asterite is too busy on helia and cora.

[wild bolt]

no, she doesnt have her weapon

[spiral badge]

you can craft the pi drive core in foundry but don't upgrade it beyond 35/35 then

[wild bolt]

ohh okok

[spiral badge]

refer to sena's tutorial for how to play the team

[wild bolt]

so focus on cora, sena, and get helia for a full astral ring team?

[spiral badge]

attack > events tab > tactics class >

yeah. Don't expect great results but it's something to work with for now

!faq fhm

[small willow]

Beginner Gear and Teams

I got this, Captain!

Click here for beginner teams examples by Hsien!
-# You don't need to build all of these!

[Click here](#👶beginner-help message) to view budget stigmata setups!

See the pins of beginner help for more guides!

[spiral badge]

if you need more teams for arena you can check out the first link here

i would mainly consider some kind of pardo main dps (or dual dps with TA)

[wild bolt]

okay! thank you :)

[spiral badge]

you can also consider some kind of physical dps team with TA, HoS, and something else.

[junior hound]

Hos? Is she available

[spiral badge]

HoV or Swallowtail if you want to have TA and HoS support the former in a more traditional sort of team. (1 dps and 2 supports)

Otherwise maybe pardo or starry impression and leave the dps work to TA/HoS

[spiral badge]

war treasury shop

[junior hound]

I thought she fell off

[spiral badge]

now farmable

she mostly did

although in the current exalted abyss weather, she supports HoRb dps

and she might still have a niche against flying fish weather

but overall if you don't already have her teams well built and ready, she's not recommended to try to catch up on

only something to consider lightly early game as a budget option until you get better stuff later

[junior hound]

That's sad i got her brick wep, but on my old acc, this one apparently im not building her anytime soon, might never too

Because among the shop guides i didn't see HoS on the list, or i didn't notice it idk

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/JepeERE.png

[junior hound]

Also is p1 sushang still usable? Because apparently the starters manual giving it to me with her wep

[spiral badge]

[quick birch]

She's actually the very first recommended to get from AL

[spiral badge]

for budget purposes sure. But don't invest highly into her

[wild bolt]

who's leader buff is best for that team?

[junior hound]

Ok first what's AL and what's LE

[spiral badge]

https://i.imgur.com/F3FOZjn.png

it doesn't seem like you're looking at the earlier faq btw

sushang was in there

!faq glossary

[small willow]

Abbreviations

Hey there, Captain!

Please see Professor Lyo's Visual Guide for using the Glossary [here](#👶beginner-help message) if you are struggling to use it (applies to both PC and Mobile).

What is RC? What is AW? What is this alien language???

The Glossary of Terms is here to help you, please use it!

https://honkaiimpact3.fandom.com/wiki/Glossary_of_Terms

How to search:

1. CTRL + F (on mobile, click the three dots icon and search via "Find in Page")
2. Enter abbreviation of choice e.g. "RC"
3. Add a space after (and optionally before) to filter out words e.g. "RC " or " RC "
4. Hit enter
5. Your abbreviation should be found!

[spiral badge]

LE is lightning empress (mei)
AW is ancient willpower
AL is ancient legacy (harder to get than AW)

in the future please use the above glossary (also in pins)

[junior hound]

That's some serious alien language right there

[spiral badge]

yeah we know

it's an old game

and lots of stuff exists now

[junior hound]

Ill need some time to get used to this

[quick birch]

You'll get used to the abbreviations and names it just takes some time

[spiral badge]

you don't need to memorize it. some of them are far too old to be using regularly

just know where to look and how to search through it

[onyx lynx]

AW?

[spiral badge]

and the more important ones you'll learn as you use them more

[onyx lynx]

Im day 1 and idk what AW is

[spiral badge]

AW||oooo||

[onyx lynx]

[spiral badge]

well anyway serious answer is here if you missed it. can't tell if you're just messing with me lol

anyway i need to go now. gl beginner help

[junior hound]

Yeah im far off these stuff let me focus on astrite shop first

[spiral badge]

look in the starter event shop and foundry (basic stigmata category below all the prism and G# stigmatas) if you lack them

the ones in that album shouldn't be anything too difficult to get

[quick birch]

AL is pretty limited until you reach lv 70 and gets even more common once you break through so there is no real rush for that

[onyx lynx]

Oh i wouldve called it AWP but even i rarely ever abbreviated that term

[spiral badge]

I've never seen anyone abbreviated it that way actually. That's interesting

[mellow surge]

Thank you and everyone else for your help! I'm still at work lol but I'll be very busy this week finally figuring it out :)

[junior hound]

Well most of my currencies are scarc only astrite is good, so im not rushing it because im pretty sure I don't have any stable income this early

[sand otter]

does anyone know off hand how many jade the realm of battle gives? Trying to calc how much longer I have to suffer lvl dkeys

Just have Ice and Physical to lvl still both are at 45 atm so it's gonna take a while. but like, will I finish one in 3 weeks or am I looking at longer to get to 50 and then buy lvl 9 which is the current goal.

[narrow heron]

Did I just see someone saying people get free S rank valkyries as beginner rewards? Who do they give them?

[quick birch]

HoV is free and they give out an s rank selector egg at the end of starter manual

None of these are notable tbh

[narrow heron]

Do you also know what the choices of the selector is

Not that I would ever star a new account but was still curious who beginners can pick

[quick birch]

No idea but beginners are adviced to keep the egg until they got every valk through dorm or WT that's in ER from that egg except one so that they can choose that

[ancient needle]

All AW valks + AE

[ember crag]

Yeah I got it when I joined I picked Moonbeam so fast lol

[ancient needle]

Or almost all at least

Nothing useful essentially

[narrow heron]

So everyone in war treasury?

[ancient needle]

Yup, no non-farmables

[narrow heron]

That’s still pretty good

[ancient needle]

Almost negligible tbh, AW valks are terrible

AE isn't great either

[ember crag]

Question: Do the Bloom into new year missions have any for story since I'm catching up or no?

[ancient needle]

iirc no

[ember crag]

Good cause I really want Magical girl Bronya skin

[narrow heron]

Beginners probably have a long time to get into meta enough to think that’s negligible I reckon

[ember crag]

Yeah when I began I didn't care + I got a cute skin for Kiana so Win win for Hoyo by making fan favorites easy to get

Also, I feel like alot of meta peeps forget those valks can go towards collection rewards

[quick birch]

Some people do care it comes down to the player itself and how competitive they are at that time

And we just recommended to keep it so that you don't get dupes through dorm or can save some AW later on once you have everyone but one

[low kestrel]

@spiral badgesairaan how do u get the yellow thing in your profile? (forgot the name of this in english) (the st professor thing)

[sand otter]

ik it's not been that long, but I am still trying to figure out how long it will take to take a divine key from 45 -> 50 and then purchase the lvl 9 gene.

[hollow kindle]

I just came back into the game and pulled for her was it a good pull?

[amber lintel]

If I choose azure empyrea twice where does that get me? S2? And if so is that worth it at all I do believe I have her gauntlets

[ancient needle]

#st-freya-faq

It's called "a role" btw

[ancient needle]

Yes, but where are you choosing her twice from

And no, it's not worth

[low kestrel]

thanks

[quick birch]

Shes nice yeah although you always want weapon + valk. try to get her weapon you still have a bit of time left

[amber lintel]

Egg and the box I just got the bronya NEX from dorm so I don't have to choose her if I were to choose anyone

[shadow gyro]

technically you could have saved but yeah she's good!
try to get her weapon from the equipment supply

[ancient needle]

Well, check the pin about the box here

If you insist on picking a valk pick a 640 AL one that both is in ER and has a Stress Test

So HoT, DA or HoFs

[hollow kindle]

What's the best charackter in game rn or one which is worth it a lot
I need a new dps

[amber lintel]

If it's not really important then I'll just save it for later and do I do the same for the egg

[quick birch]

P2 valks are both support and DPS and there is no " best char " its always situational. A valk can be good on one boss and ass on another

the rule of thumb is to focus new releases

valk + weapon are non negotiable if you are pulling

keep this in mind

[shadow gyro]

basically the best thing to pull would be new characters during their release patch, u don't expect yourself to get everyone tho
there's a guide in pins that refresh and can tell you what to pull

[hasty bobcat]

Is hersecher of void good

[quick birch]

usuable in early game but in the long run no

[shadow gyro]

she's useful for early game but you won't use her for too long

[hasty bobcat]

Aw man

[river heron]

guys what r those keys it says on the info when u click on it but i still dont get it dawg

is not even a key but whagetver

[hollow kindle]

There was an ult i liked a lot it kinda looked like wriothesleys ultimate but im not sure which charackter is the one who uses it all i know is that it was a girl using it

Does anyone know?

[quick birch]

Well everyone is a girl here so this doesn't really help. My first guess would be FoV but could you describe them further

[hollow kindle]

Uhm i think she had dark hair im new in the game i only saw the ult once or twice

[quick birch]

This is for affixes it gives you a 23 atk line 2 times on one stigmata( max atk for one stigmata) and the different reroll devices are for the different types. I suggest taking a look at this FAQ

[river heron]

okok tysmm

[quick birch]

Can't think of anyone try searching up some ults online or do you possibly remember a bit more about her

[hollow kindle]

Uses slash Attacks, and before her ult the screen goess really dark before she punches her enemy like wriouthesleys ult

Red , Black
Slashes if i remember right

[ancient needle]

Slashes and punches?

[quick birch]

The dark part and the colors sound like FoV outfit

Try searching that up

[ancient needle]

No slashing tho

[quick birch]

Yeah that's the only thing that confuses me

Just the it goes really dark and she punches the enemys screams FoV

[hollow kindle]

Ima try

This here

How to get it

[ancient needle]

Gacha, gotta spend 9600 xtals

[quick birch]

You wait

[hollow kindle]

Is that much

[ancient needle]

Yes, and it's an 82% chance that you'll hit hard pity

[hollow kindle]

Is there a 50/50

[ancient needle]

Nope

[quick birch]

And have fun getting FoV herself

[hollow kindle]

For which charackter is the skin

[quick birch]

FoV = Fenghuang of Vicissitude use the glossary in pins for abbreviations in the future

[hollow kindle]

So if I pull the skin can I use it automaticly? Or do i need to pull a specific charackter first

Oh man this is confusing

[quick birch]

U need to have the Valkyrie

[outer spruce]

can't use the skin without the character

[hollow kindle]

Which one is it

[quick birch]

.

[hollow kindle]

Nvm you said it there I think

Fenghuang of vicissitude?

[outer spruce]

yes

[quick birch]

Yes

[hollow kindle]

When was her last banner

[ancient needle]

That's a good question actually

7.9 iirc?

[quick birch]

8.0

[ancient needle]

Ah, ye

[hollow kindle]

Idk when that is at all can you say it in months

[ancient needle]

Well, keep in mind that her next rerun will be an ADV, so it'll be hella expensive

[quick birch]

Don't expect her to show up outside of BP at this point

She will be farmable at some point but that will take some time

[hollow kindle]

So if I find the skin + charackter + special weapon how much would i need to save up to get everything guaranteed

[quick birch]

She's a P1 unit so there is no guarantee for weapon unless you pull 200 times this is very unlikely but still theoretically 93.6k although as I said don't expect her to show up in any banner.

Taking the skin into account

[hollow kindle]

93,6k of these gems...?

[ancient needle]

Also her stigs are not craftable

So you need to pull them as well

[quick birch]

Yes but as I mentioned do not expect her to show up in any banner again. She is far more likely to be in BP at this point

[hollow kindle]

Battle pass?

[quick birch]

Yes

[ancient needle]

Anyway, a more reasonable cost would be smth around 67k

[hollow kindle]

You can get charackters from bp?

[quick birch]

If you pay otherwise no

[hollow kindle]

Alr ima save from now on

[ancient needle]

No guarantees tho

[hollow kindle]

Wait so her skin is it P2W or pullable

[ancient needle]

Pullable, 9.6k crystals

[quick birch]

We don't know when that will be available again could take years who knows

[hollow kindle]

Im so cooked 🙏 😭

Anyways ill try focusing for her valkyre first which i forgot her name of

[quick birch]

Good luck for that

[hollow kindle]

Also how do I know it's the right one example I see like 6 different Variante from raiden mei

Variants*

[quick birch]

You look at the battlesuit name. And all battlesuits of the same char look a bit different

[hollow kindle]

What if i dont recognize it and pull wrong 🙏

[outer spruce]

there's only 1 fov battlesuit

[dry python]

Isn't awp a gun in cs

[ancient needle]

It is

[quick birch]

Well thats on you to look at the actual battlesuit you are pulling

[outer spruce]

they all look different

[quick birch]

Yeah

[hollow kindle]

I need to pull for this?

[outer spruce]

yes

[hollow kindle]

When her banner will be there , will her skin banner be there aswell?

[quick birch]

We don't know

[outer spruce]

no guarantee

[quick birch]

We don't even know if she will have a banner again

[hollow kindle]

What...

Wdym by that

[sand otter]

Valkyrie's in hi3 'retire' they stop running, they often get added to battle pass, and then eventually the war treasury.

[quick birch]

At some point valks stop rerunning the game is just too old to rerun every char. After some time they become farmable but that can take some time

[hollow kindle]

So it could take years

[sand otter]

Fu Hua's FoV suit was the last part 1 valk wasn't it? So she might get one more rerun.

[hollow kindle]

So i gotta prepare

Bet im new so there's prob lots of ways to get these gems

Wait where do I grind charackters in the first place

[quick birch]

|| with leap supply being added honestly I don't think so Luna is also 8.3 BP so FoV will get there shortly after ||

[sand otter]

||Yeah, but we dunno for sure. Looking forward to it honestly||