maybe i'll try tonight or so
#prismatic-trials
cyan stratus
slim lintel
I had enough fun I'm gonna try and record a good run, I wanna archive this one
slim lintel
wat
cyan stratus
get them all to 1hp and boost off of them in a row
clip through the wall to get to the next stage
slim lintel
o dam nice
cyan stratus
yea its pretty cool
but yea idk how people unironically do speedruns of the base game i did it for like 3 days and im already done
i thought crit preon rng was bad to farm lol
slim lintel
yeah its really bad
I had a wr pace one at one point and failed the jump across the obliteration place
I gave up after that
slim lintel
did you actually get wr?
cyan stratus
i mean if wr is top time on speedrun.com yea
but those runs are old so idk
sub 13 is possible to grind but i dont think it's worth my sanity
cyan stratus
everything in the new patch is bad though
slim lintel
wym
slim lintel
pretty much I just run towards the geyser kill 2 crystals on the way then use geyser + puff and kill the up top crystal while I'm flying
cyan stratus
no crowbar?
slim lintel
I missed the geyser jump pretty bad in my run so if it wasnt a preon crit its easy to beat
no items
cyan stratus
interesting
i'd think grabbing preon loses time though
but it's on the way so i guess not too bad
slim lintel
idk how preon would ever lose time
slim lintel
not when its a HoM you cant push off a cliff
cyan stratus
it's a what now
ancient wind
Horde of Many
cyan stratus
oh
slim lintel
oh theres 3 overloading lemurs yeah I def got a crit lol
nvm no crit needed preon actually 1 shots them if they're close enough to the blast I just got a really good one that killed all but 1 that was super low
shell pilot
with the preon, focus crystal, glasses and crowbar, is that sufficient to oneshot the dunestrider (assuming it crits) with artificer for the challenge?
slim lintel
I mean if you wanna be dumb and farm a 11% crit sure, easiest way to do the challenge is to telerush on drizzle while getting newt altars and picking up glass, then dream of snow map stage3 to get free preon and boom easy
shell pilot
yeah i had been doing that for a bit but was getting repeatedly dicked over by the lunar items presented to me
11% ain't too bad since it's like, 1 minute to get to the boss
slim lintel
ok this trial can probably hit a pretty easy 1:28/1:27
even lower if you can manage to get them all close enough to 1 shot
scarlet grail
surely you're talking about another prismatic trial
slim lintel
nope
scarlet grail
cause it's an overloading magmaworm?
slim lintel
only if you're really slow the director gets more credits and changes the boss
scarlet grail
so what do I do to be faster like damn
Is this also a doable one if you want mercs ability?
scarlet grail
well if it's just overloading lemurs it sounds easy?
But I assume you're using a more damaging character and you're not afraid of taking damage
cyan stratus
all you have to do for this trial for the merc challenge is not get hit
scarlet grail
I'll ignore your sass
gloomy crane
Cabbage is a wise ass, but he's good when it comes to trials.
Just play off the sass
slim lintel
here in #prismatic-trials we're all about sass
gloomy crane
Hey, sass is all that's left then you get ignored since release
I'm not taking that from you
slim lintel
oof
gloomy crane
I have mad respect for you for just sticking around
Because the normal game just doesn't hit it for me
Although it's been a long time since i've done any trials
scarlet grail
I personally couldn't care less about the trials
gloomy crane
Fair 'nuff
scarlet grail
but I'm an achiever, I have to get everything, and this merc skill is the only thing that has given me trouble and the last thing left
gloomy crane
Just check seeds, check the bosses, than plan out the run
Don't know about item interactions though
With shields and what not
scarlet grail
only barrier doesn't count as health
gloomy crane
For example, Delta is a guarantee try, because of the preon
Optimise your skill usage on the nodes
And make sure your seeds don't have shitty bosses
And you should be golden
scarlet grail
yeah agreed, it's a fast boss kill, but dunestrider is an ass to fight because he'll shield and suck, and the range on that is really large.
though my main issue is just normal enemies, noticebly wisps
scarlet grail
only way to not do that is killing with preon
gloomy crane
Just lower his health till he's in preon range
scarlet grail
hmm hadn't thought of doing it that way around
gloomy crane
He can't sicc, if he's already dead
I'm having too much fun with the word suck
Also maybe a good idea to check some cabbage runs, they should be pinned
Just watch that he does on the merc
And try to mimic his approach
gloomy crane
Still waiting on those separate leaderboards hoopo 
Cabbage was here since launch, along with iforgotwho. They know their shit
The second boi is more approachable if you want some advice
Maybe there are some other faces here
I remember MyCaastl doing merc runs, not sure about now though
scarlet grail
thanks man
sorry if i came off as rough, but thats what hours of failing will do to you
gloomy crane
Aye, it's fine
rain solar
@scarlet grail the merc achievement is hard. I was only able to get it because cabbage posted one of his "try this path" for a trial. You just gotta get lucky with a good path more than anything.
The trial I beat had a blazing dunestrider. The solution was buy a fuel cell and double blast him so he had no suck time.
shell pilot
minimal succ is the key
scarlet grail
it annoys me that how much this challenge is down to luck and amazing merc skill, and I have none of either of the two
shell pilot
yeah just keep an eye out on cabbages videos of new seeds as they come out, give it a crack when you see a promising one
shy pecan
what are people using this trial? there's an unusually large number of low times
i missed the preon on my first run bc i'm dumb but something still feels off
surreal echo
I wasted waaaaaaaaay too much time looking for the portal since I used the Lunar dream to get to Abyssal.
Had good ol' Rex with me
shy pecan
first sub 2 yay
idk how you group them together iforgotwho
i keep missing preon :u
and only rank 94 lol
dunno why there's been a sudden influx of cheaters, usually sub-3 gets top 50
slow pivot
@shell pilot that specific combo just worked for me. Took me maybe 5 runs or so before the Preon crit. Completely one-shots, so you don't have to do anything else.
shell pilot
yeah i got it too, maybe 7 tries total for me before the crit kicked in
that, the engineer, and the merc challenge are all that i had left, got arti and engi here no problem, still just bashing my head against the brick wall that is merc ethereal haha
slow pivot
Right with you with the head bashing. I think I'm maybe going to wait until s1 isn't teapot, as that seems to be what I struggle with the most right now.
slim lintel
my semidecent grouping method atm is run up the hill a bit and shoot R a little bit up the hill and towards the right side looking down then jump as they're charging their attack and hit them from the top
hitting them from the top is the only way to get a really good one
simple wharf
dw i spent like 10 hours over these 3 days to do ethereal on this seed
so im with you
and Im doing really bad today so unlikely getting any payoff from these 10 hours
shy pecan
ah, i was trying to hit them from behind
slim lintel
I got a sloppy 1:21 I think I'm just gonna upload so cabbage actually runs it and beats it
the strat is fairly easy to get all of them 1 shot but I didnt get it this run and am sick of farming it
dunestrider is so inconsistent for no reason
cyan stratus
i'd usually go for it but there's like 6 hours left and i dont feel like rewiring my brain to grind out rex runs
and the run seems pretty optimized so i'd actually have to grind to get a better time
slim lintel
I messed up pretty bad a couple times and didnt get the 1 shot it wouldnt be hard to beat
shell pilot
haha i love the rocketjumping off the crystals, very cool
nocturne spade
shield doesn't count as part of the 100% hp, right? asking for the merc challenge
shell pilot
as far as i can tell the only things that'll count as "not being hit" is blocking via tougher times and barrier
shield still counts as damage
shell pilot
nah, otherwise you could just rock up with transcendance and be sweet, sadly not the case
graceful wasp
Only the yellow shield
shell pilot
ya, barrier via topaz brooch or aegis
nocturne spade
thanks! I'll go back to the awful grinding, lol
half kraken
New seed : rallypoint (boss : clay dunestrider) and wetland aspect (since i learned that boss can change, can't tell what it'll be)
shell pilot
can we get rid of this god damn dunestrider please!!!! he keeps showing up every seed haah
nocturne spade
so far, found 3 tougher times on the first stage, and the hidden crate has a prism
half kraken
well, actually, there are 2 multi shop who can be interesting
half kraken
one where i saw only a thougher time useful
an other where there is also a tougher times, but there is a crowbar, and with the preon, it can be useful
half kraken
unless there are fuel cell, i prefer the preon
nocturne spade
I know it's a waste of a lot of time, but I was trying to farm enough to buy the big drone
shell pilot
if you aren't going for speed, royal cap is pretty good for wearing the boss down from the safety of distance, ideally with yeah some fuel cells
half kraken
it's not a waste of time, because the royal capacitor help killing the dunestrider from a safe distance
doesn't mean you're safe from any other enemies.....
shell pilot
only hard to dodge regular enemies are wisps though really
rest are simple with just jumping hah
half kraken
if you start the 2nd boss on the medium difficulty, you'll have an overloading beetle queen
shell pilot
i'm gonna wait and see what cabbages run is before i commit
half kraken
same
nocturne spade
that's one option, yes
barren wren
Hey everyone. Was wondering if I could get any advice for the merc challenge. I seem to be having a lot more trouble with it than I'd like. Wisps are the most annoying since I can't always keep track of them and I for the life of me can't figure out how to do dunestrider damage free.
shell pilot
if it's a trial with a preon or a royal capacitor, weaken the dunestrider with regular attacks and once he's down to roughly a third blast him with your equipment
he also won't do the succ if he's up in the air doing the bowling ball attack, so if you have good enough damage you can kill him during that without facing succ
barren wren
I don't know about good enough damage.. Mostly seems to be healing items and not even like, good one's.
nocturne spade
Cabbage has footage of the last trial without dmg. It's tough af, but it's possible at least. I still didn't do the challenge btw
shell pilot
yeah a user here, cabbage, uploads videos of the trials doing merc challenge, keep an eye out of those they get pinned
barren wren
I have no idea who cabbage is but okay!
half kraken
a god
shell pilot
our lord and saviour, give praise to him
barren wren
I can just keep an eye out. This one seems far out of my skill range. lol
That's a significant chunk of praise. XD
shy pecan
cabbage is 1 of 2 actually good players
if he makes an ethereal video it’ll get pinned
half kraken
for me, there are two way to kill the dunestrider
weaken him and kill him with the preon
or take the royal capacitor at the shrine of chance and hit him every 20s and stay out of range
barren wren
Fair enough.
I tried that with the RC and kept getting shot in the back by wisps. lol
shell pilot
wisps make a distinctive wind up noise when they spawn and when they're about to fire, chuck on some headphones and pump up the volume a little helps a lot
half kraken
and always have your 3rd or 4th ready if possible
barren wren
I'll see if I can't hear the sound. I've probably heard it in my hours playing but can't for the life of me remember what it sounds like.
shell pilot
wouldn't know how to describe it, boot up the game and just listen to the wisps
barren wren
kk, will do. Thanks 🙂
I guess I should ask since someone who does youtube came up but is Woolie's videos worth general advice? I don't know if there is someone specific to watch to get better at the game.
shell pilot
for just general gameplay, sure
surreal echo
His Monsoon tips did help me significantly improve. His advice made me realize that my pacing was completely off and as soon as I knew that was wrong and how to fix it, I immediately noticed that I was having a much easier time in Monsoon.
barren wren
Didn't watch his Monsoon video but watched the when to farm/boss video and realized I've been playing completely wrong. lol Treated the game too much like an RPG...
shell pilot
it depends what you want out of the game, if you're looking for purely 100% optimized then yeah you don't really want to linger on stages for very long, but for a lot of people it's more enjoyable to drain every last item out of each stage, you probably won't end up doing as well, but just remember video games are for fun
barren wren
Indeed. 😄
Is it okay to ask questions in here or should I move to a different channel?
shell pilot
probably shift over to #ror2-game-questions or one of the game discussion ones
barren wren
Okies, ty ^^
shell pilot
we're basically waiting for cabbage here at this point haha
barren wren
lol fair.
cyan stratus
i was sleeping but i'll check out the trial after i eat
shell pilot
we love you cabbage
solemn fiber
cabababa
slim lintel
🍑
solemn fiber
shy pecan
don't think i'm gonna get faster than this smh
the first crystal jump s2 always fails idk why
does chronobauble fuck with crystal jumps? maybe that's it
shy pecan
ye i agree it was very stupid
that crystal called me mean names every time i failed to build any momentum
cyan stratus
shell pilot
"this trial is easy since all you have to do is not get hit" dammit cabbage
torpid shell
he's not wrong
slim lintel
thats his desc in every single one or at least most
torpid shell
sometimes the trials are actually pretty rough and he admits it
vale snow
Is the current prismatic trial good for getting Slicing Winds on Mercenary?
nocturne spade
Yes, just do exactly what Cabbage did on his video
I really want to complain about the challenge, but looking how it's actually possible, makes me want to try and finish it too
I'll give it another try later
brittle marlin
I have given it atleast 10 tries per trial for the past month and a half
haha it's not easy
and also not even worth it
graceful wasp
I hate cabbage bruh he goes “lemme go eat and then I look at it” then just posts a video of him doing it REEEEEEEEE
Why is he so good and why are we all so trash
Its crazy
cyan stratus
i'm not good it's just i've done it a lot
anyone who's done it on almost every trial so far would be able to do it as easily
it's just a matter of practice
slim lintel
it's because cabbage eats a healthy meal of cabbage every day make brain big
s2 has to be one of the stupidest layouts I've ever seen in a trial
indigo snow
Do we actually have a third runner around now
Wonder why more people seem to be showing an interest in trials than usual recently
slim lintel
update brought people back so fresh batch of people looking for merc challenge
gloomy crane
Eh, i can get to s2 with no hit merc reliably now.
Gonna take a break though
Those 1 hitpoint hits from wisps toil away at my soul
tiny dagger
Cabbage most certainly doesn't do it on his first try. You need to scout out where the items are and what's worth picking up
slim lintel
I think there's been 1 or 2 he did first try
tribal hamlet
cabbage has been here from the start of this game lol
slim lintel
I was here before him 
tribal hamlet
oh ok i didn't start until the 4th trial and he was there so idk about 1 2 and 3
shy pecan
looking at tierlists makes me sad, rex is almost always low tier
i don't understand how you can place him there when you can literally sit still while being attacked by too many enemies at once
and just spam to survive
foggy tangle
rex hella good
zenith plinth
Rex is low tier? what?
elfin plinth
that's called opinions
shy pecan
i just browsed miscellaneous tierlists this morning and most rated him poorly smh
zenith plinth
I think they need to play rex again since he got really buffed
elfin plinth
thye just can't play him good
i can say that rex sucks too because i can't play him
torpid shell
even before the buffs he was one of, if not the strongest characters
shy pecan
fast plant
torpid shell
I remember first unlocking him and thinking "I gotta be careful with my health, if I spend it to attack" and then ten minutes later I realized everything just melts when you click on it
zenith plinth
he needed a few items early on pre-update, but now that number has gone down significantly
everything is low tier compared to loader
shy pecan
loader is only faster in base game because of teleporter charging tho
if you didn't have to sit around for a solid minute after killing the boss i'm confident rex would outpace her
graceful wasp
how it add up
charred viper
Has anyone done the mercenary ethereal challenge because it looks straight up impossible
shell pilot
check the pins, a user by the name of cabbage does ethereal on every single seed
follow his route, keep trying until you're lucky enough to not get hit
languid knot
Lesser wisps, The destruction of Ethereal runs
teal stream
how does anyone fail ethereal just don't get shot
zenith plinth
elfin plinth
@teal stream lemurians slap me ;-;
teal stream
that's kinda hot
glass warren
You're kinda hot
zenith plinth
merc prismatic trial 
paper escarp
I'm still trying to do the merc challenge. Is there any other helpful items other than Personal Shield, Focus crystal, Preon Accumulator and rose buckler? I'm really struggling here. I can do the 2nd stage easy but the first stage is killing me right now
torpid shell
personal shield isn't going to do anything for you, shield counts as max HP
paper escarp
zzz... So it's not a good week for this challenge?
Because i wasn't able to find any topaz on the first level
iron steeple
Its never a good week because I've heard the alt ability sucks
torpid shell
All I can recommend is Cabbage's video in the pinned messages
He uses Evis to avoid the dunestrider's initial volley of shots and assault to go beneath it where it can't shoot to, then uses assault again to get on top of the shipping container to wait out his cooldowns, so he's never really in danger during the boss fight
languid swift
left tree
this week is good for hunters no damage thingy
grab preon, run into the crate between charges ez
indigo snow
From the looks of it, the current trial seems pretty good for Merc. If you're fast enough, you can get the Dunestrider down to just below half—making sure to be mindful of wisps, take them out fast—and then Preon it.
pure adder
where is preon?
solemn fiber
yeah i dont believe that to be true
shy pecan
is the new seed out already?
cyan stratus
no
shy pecan
this seed is pretty fat ngl
glacial imps s1 and utility knocks them off the ledge half the time
turbid hornet
I can see getting through, as mercenary for the ethereal challenge, the first area of the current prismatic trial being pretty easy with buying a few missile drones, a gasoline or even a tougher times. But Area two seems pretty difficult to not get hit, especially with the fire beetle boss. Anyone got any tips/ item builds in the new area (blue portal has a aegis, but I haven't found a topaz)?
zenith plinth
the 2nd boss jumped into the pit and died on my run
I have no idea how to replicate that so I don't think I'll be beating my time ever
but if you can figure out how to force that to happen the second boss shouldn't be a problem
cyan stratus
shell pilot
wow
solemn fiber
cababage
shell pilot
that's hilarious haha, don't even fight the dude just let him sort himself out
zenith plinth
I'm trying to attempt this one for ethereal. Your guide is REALLY helping XD
turbid hornet
I've died to the same wisp @2:16 of cabbage's video, cabbage get's lucky as fucky with that missile
honest wharf
the chest next to the (34 seconds) multi-shop with the quail is gasoline if you want the aoe which will help when fighting the gacial imps
shell pilot
hey cabbage did you get the dunestrider to consistently fall down in the pit or did it take a few tries? for me he won't budge even if i try replicate your positioning as close as i can
cyan stratus
it's pretty inconsistent. took me a couple of tries but if he doesn't move just try baiting a little by popping in and out
make sure there aren't any wisps ready to snipe you though
also if you have a drone it'll aggro onto it which is why i dont have one
shell pilot
okay thanks, yeah i was trying to do the in n out but yeah got sniped by a wisp
little bastards, those wisps
solemn fiber
i kept getting hit by the imps
shell pilot
a slightly slower but safer tactic i used was only using the eviscerate into 3 dashes, making sure the 3rd dash got me out
not bothering with m1 or whirlwind at all, you basically cannot get hit. evis in, dash dash, dash out, then just wax quail double jump around the edge
zenith plinth
^ that's essentially what you have to do unless you're a god like cabbage =>=
floral pagoda
Just completed Mercenary's Ethereal challenge using only all the drones on the stages and letting them do all the work while I stood safely nearby. So that's an option as well.
shell pilot
amazing, how many roughly did you end up with?
floral pagoda
How many what?
thin timber
drones I guess
floral pagoda
There are 4 Missile Drones, 1 Incinerator Drone, and 1 Equipment Drone (the only Equipment on the map is a Jade Elephant). The Equipment Drone was just so enemies could have another enemy to target besides me or the other drones.
None of them died on the run I managed to complete it.
I just did another run showing how to do it, but it's not a perfect run, I take unavoidable damage, but the video is just to to show how I did it. RNG will be RNG. I'll upload a video in a while.
turbid hornet
Just did the drone one, but they do nothing to the blazing dunestrider
floral pagoda
It only took me about 7 minutes, so enemies were fewer.
turbid hornet
Only took me a little over 6 hours (first 4 spent trying a method very similar to cabbages (same path, but takes gasoline & stick bomb instead of quail, and takes a small detour for tougher times + tri tip dagger), the other 2 on the drone one) It was the drone one that did it (3 missile + incinerator + Rocket uncommon item + equipment drone in 1st (abusing the "no enemy platform with rex on it" and going in for R + Shift), then one rocket drone on the way to the teleporter in 2nd realm (standing on the cliff above the teleporter, enemies stopped spawning somehow and my drones didn't derp out as much))
cyan stratus
yeah i try to minimize standing on a cliff for several minutes unless necessary like what i did on 9/26 but i guess it's easier, someone should make a video and redirect people to that instead of mine
worthy quest
Can i ger thw huntress achievment doi g prismatic?
cyan stratus
what
elfin plinth
they are probs asking if you can get Piercing Wind in the trial
worthy quest
Ye
floral pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq9Kof5bRFg&feature=youtu.be
Ninjamoon and I had the same idea, except I didn't need to use any items or do anything really except break the crystals.
little star
cabbage is a god as always
zenith plinth
Welp, that only took 2 tries, feelsgoodman
unreal shadow
floral pagoda
\o/
desert scroll
tiny dagger
Missile strat worked for me 
hermit crabs are definitely a pain in the ass with their random AoE damage but if you don't get hit by them on stage 1 you're guaranteed to finish the run cleanly
Time to mute this channel and never look at it again lmao
slim lintel
Time to mute this channel and never look at it again lmao
thats what all the devs did almost a year ago
lapis plover
fair enough
acoustic ermine
Just got Ethereeal, i also picked up a barrel at the cave entracnce to buy the gatling turret near start
just speed it up if the spawns are right
also helps in kickstarting the desert
placid hazel
gonna give these routes a try
this dumb thing is the last ability i have to unlock
i didn't try all that much but i felt like last weeks challenge wasn't too bad for it
wet mica
big flex
this one took me a solid 7hrs to complete, thank god i can forget about prismatic trials now
shell pilot
the amount of times i take damage from something dumb is really starting to piss me off haha
random crit during auto attack on a crystal, take damage. fall ever so slightly too far after taking out a wisp, not thinking it's fall damage height so don't use whirlwind, take damage. clipped by some random prick lemurian after the tele is charged, take damage.
so sick of this challenge can't wait to finish it
rapid bolt
@real plover I'll slap you
solemn fiber
you cant
foggy tangle
dammn
solemn fiber
#ror2-feedback-and-ideas i posted this
foggy tangle
theres seems to be a scroll bar on the right
whats the best time tho rn?
anyone know 😄
shell pilot
THANK GOD i finally got it, first attempt after my little bitch rant up there, it gets results haha
i used cabbage method for stage 1 (minus the atg), then revived all the drones (3x missile 1x incinerator) and hid like a pussy for stage 2 let them take care of scary dunestrider
tough belfry
nice
@foggy tangle most top times are cheated, anything not cheated will probably be posted here
shell pilot
and by cheated they mean PLAYED REX
rex is so insane, he was already really damn strong, dunno why everyone hates on him, and then he just got this huge buff
solemn fiber
no they mean actually cheat
shell pilot
yeahh real cheats, but rex might as well be cheating too
crude flume
yo dropping a big thanks for the strat
this challenge had haunted me for way too long, lol
rich estuary
I did not know crystals did damage
shy pecan
i’m the only person who’s posted a score for this seed as of yet @foggy tangle
1:45.19 is my time, i also saw several other rex players with similar
in like the 1:52-2:05 range
but it’s hard to tell who’s cheating
slim lintel
lmfao another crystal that doesnt work fun
slim lintel
the one 10ft away from where you spawn
slim lintel
my strat without the jump is lke 6 seconds faster to tele :/
would be 2s faster if jump was consistent
shy pecan
by jumping to the geyser?
slim lintel
yeah
using geyser a good run hits tele at 16s, if you could crystal jump to it it'd be more like 14
shy pecan
are you still killing the crystal way in the back?
slim lintel
With a basically 1st time s2
yeah
this is the funniest s2 ever, 1shotting a duneshitter feels good
shell pilot
duneshitter, very accurate nickname
slim lintel
back when arti was actually good in trials dunestriders were the worst
shy pecan
ok yeah i have no idea how the fuck you can make 14s
i'm only shaving off like 2s
but i'm also bad so that might be it
shy pecan
well more like 4, i was slow in the video
neat anchor
So it's humanly possible to do the no hit prismatic run
slim lintel
it's monkeyly possible basically every trial has been done for the challenge and has a video
neat anchor
Even the items are 100%time the same?
icy urchin
yes
you find a shrine of chance that fails on the first 2 tries but gives a tesla coil on the 3rd try? you'll have that during every new start
the bosses can be different if you take longer than in the vids
icy urchin
if you aren't careful, it can happen
icy urchin
I found that merc has an easier time at killing wisps than others, since you can kill multiple with just one dash
zenith plinth
yeah but like killing the boss and dodging those bastards
icy urchin
well yeah, different thing
zenith plinth
problem is they spawn in both the stages avaiable
and the boss is also the same in the 2 stages
thin timber
wisps generally can spawn on any stage I think
icy urchin
they can spawn on any stage except SC and AD
zenith plinth
i've been trying to do the no hit run for the last 5 hours but the wisps keep fucking me
icy urchin
the 4th stages
zenith plinth
like the first stage can get annoying cause of the rock throwing guys, but i got very used to it
the lemurians aim like storm troopers
but i've been trying to get as many robots as I can as a strategy
3 missile bots and 1 flaming guy in the first stage and none in the second, cause there is literally none
unless you go for the twisted roots place, there are a few turrets and like 4 healing bots
mighty drum
thanks for the drone strat, finally got the achieve, just took me 3 times to do it :3
torpid shell
Nice
slim lintel
optimized imp fight a lot
fast hemlock
prismatic trial have drone's map for be unlock?
hollow oak
Do prismatic trials not show up on the menu if you have mods?
torpid shell
Yes
obtuse moth
how do prismatic trials work
surreal echo
You do them. do it fast. Tada, you win.
shell pilot
just 2
you can take as long as you want if you don't care about leaderboards or anything
obtuse moth
ok thank you
lapis ore
is there an updated sticky post somewhere to find out what challenges/achievements you can get done for the days prismatic trial? rather than me scanning reddit forever ?
solemn fiber
scroll up
shell pilot
cabbage posts a video of him doing the mercenary ethereal challenge on every seed at least, not sure about other things. should be noted though that sometimes other challenges are much easier in prismatic trials, such as one shot a boss with artificer or kill boss in 5 seconds with engineer. couldn't tell you if there was any up-to-date thing of it, though players here will usually say if they achieved a challenge on the current seed
shell pilot
cabbages videos get pinned here when they come out
lapis ore
awesome tyvm!
cyan stratus
if the current trial isn't pinned just check my youtube it's usually on there
but i only upload ethereal
not other challenges
charred viper
I DID IT GUYS THANK YOU
lilac sage
icy urchin
you don't get hit
icy urchin
it also helps if you get a fuel cell + preon like during the 2nd pt - boss got deleted
wintry sedge
just incase it's not been said yet, getting the REX: Dunked challenge done is super easy on this trial
cause the burning strider spawns right next to a pit
if people still don't have it done or whatever
tiny dagger
When does that seed end
zenith plinth
7 hours and a half @tiny dagger
indigo snow
I forgot to pin this seed's video oop, remind me when videos start coming for the next later today
lapis ore
how do you get the dunestrider boss to spawn ? is it random or is it based on time ?
tiny dagger
Time based thing
lapis ore
is there a known rule ? like boss spawn changes every 5 mins or something ?
silent shard
why does the game sometimes not shut down prismatic trials when modding
my friend had mods active and prismatic trials was there so he became 14th in the world
half kraken
YEEEEES
half kraken
how ? like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq9Kof5bRFg
(it's not mine)
shell pilot
that video was just to show the route he took, it's very possible to do it without damage
heck my method was a fusion of cabbage and onkive: first level i grabbed wax quail and fought boss, just using eviscerate, then the 3 dashes, and jumping around the outside while on cooldown. then after boss was dead i revived the missile and incinerator drones (i think there were 3 missile drones? maybe 4). stage 2 i revived the one missile drone and then stood up on the hill (near where the big skeleton is) and let the drones do my dirty work, since you're high enough up you don't evne have to worry about dodging wisps, and they're the big problem
cyan stratus
i usually post a video on how i do it but there's probably easier ways that involve cliff camping like what i did on 9/26 trial so it's easiest if you just explore the trial yourself and come up with the easiest way for you to do it
cerulean sundial
what's inside the red chest from ts?
simple wharf
cabbage im counting on your new video!
you got an overloading clay, these trials tend to be loving these stupid clays
surreal echo
Yes, Templars are not balanced.
simple wharf
definitly not for merc
simple cove
What even are prismatic trials?
thick dirge
I done it today
And then i realize that my friends just cheated it to get this skill
F
simple wharf
there is no reason to cheat it, alt special is so bad for merc. you only do it for the satisfaction
shell pilot
it's really cool looking at least! realistically ANYTHING replacing eviscerate is going to be a downgrade since it does so many things at once
shell pilot
considering just how much lower it is, maybe it's just cheats
i haven't looked at the seed though so, my opinion has little weight at this stage
slim lintel
top 3 there are all 100% cheaters/modded game, the huntress could be legit but I highly doubt it. Rex should be getting around 1:30 this trial pretty easy
silver solar
i dont think rex can do 1:30
the second stage is too far
rex is definitly the best though if we are just considering the top 3 cheats
slim lintel
am I gonna have to go get a sub 1:30 real quick and record it
slim lintel
I mean yeah but proof is always nice, it's where the pudding is after all
alt util and 1s m2
silver solar
i only have standard rex since i never play the character so maybe theres something i dont know then
slim lintel
alright maybe more 1:40 this trial these beetle guards dont like to move
silver solar
i noticed that as well how fast are you getting out of stage 1?
silver solar
im ok so your first stage is like 10 seconds faster then mine... and then your second would still be around 50 seconds faster...
silver solar
damn well done. did you change your loadout?
slim lintel
the alt util has same knockback as default to self but a 2s cd instead of 5, that helps a lot
Also do you know about crystal boosting?
slim lintel
crystals apply a lot of knockback if you stand in the pink ring when they blow up, using that knockback + your util can send you great distances
slim lintel
I jump off the first crystal on to the bridge then use the crystal under the bridge to jump across
silver solar
i was using both bridge crystals then the one on the left after you drop down
solemn fiber
who's #1
shell pilot
a cheater, no way a merc can do it that fast
solemn fiber
how much time .3.
shell pilot
1:15.55
cyan stratus
imagine not even having a negative time
cyan stratus
should've done that last trial
silver solar
would shaped glass count as "below 50% hp"
shell pilot
can't say for sure but i think it'd be fine, since altering your max health doesn't fail the challenge
silver solar
im doing rex's secondary challenge while trying to kill a dunestrider in aquaduct so was more curious about if i would need to go to 25%
shell pilot
oohhh the rex challenge, that ones pretty easy just make sure you always use m2, and try not use your ult
or you can cheese it with a friend, spam m2 in the tele zone somewhere and let them do the work
silver solar
dont have friends qq
shell pilot
rip
cyan stratus
shell pilot
that was even more entertaining than making the dunestrider walk off
solemn fiber
Im wondering why you didnt just push the vagrant into the ground
shell pilot
is there a consistent way to get pushes off? for me it's hard to pull off reliably
i just try it a bunch of times and eventually it goes off, sometimes first try, sometimes 10th try
shell pilot
did you get the push off?
solemn fiber
yeah, dropped him 1k health
jump and then shift into the sides instead of directly down, mainly into the nearest rock
slim lintel
why in the hell is there so many beetle guards, this is hell trying to get a good rex run
silver solar
yea sometimes it spawns like 2x the amount and that ruins the run
slim lintel
then they just sit there doing their shitty ranged attack instead of moving
what do you think I'm doing, they dont spawn on the cliff and dont want to move
theres a line of 8 of them
solemn fiber
best i can get as rex is a 2:56
slim lintel
Well I already have a 1:53 but it can easy drop around 1:40 if these stupid ass beetles would cooperate
here's a perfect example of why the tele angle needs to be seeded
solemn fiber
the tele angle isnt seeded?
slim lintel
Nope, even surprised the devs. It's bothered me since forever ago
alright got a 1:42 thats as good as I'm gonna get unless the madman cabbage wants to bang his head against beetle ai
cyan stratus
@solemn fiber i said why in the video desc
solemn fiber
ahhh
signal scroll
This ethereal achievement is the worst designed challenge of any game I have ever seen
cyan stratus
disagree
tulip stream
just don't get hit am i right
shell pilot
when something shoots you, that results in you getting hit, hence, don't get hit
tulip stream
yes
elfin plinth
then you fall
shell pilot
failing the challenge by falling is fucking bullshit and should be banned lol
tulip stream
the achievement is kinda annoying, but i think the devs want the players to be sneak 100
shell pilot
or cowardice 100 via recruit drones and hide like a pussy
signal scroll
Then wisps spawn with auto tracking shots in two different dirrections
tulip stream
then get your drones to shoot them and run for cover
or just murder them the instant you see them
signal scroll
And then the drones fuck up the ai for part 2
shell pilot
yeah incidentally merc is one of the better characters against lesser wisps
between your dashes and eviscerate you can take out hordes of them
shell pilot
don't even mention the name of that dumpster fire trash
dammit it looks cool but there's no way anything can replace eviscerates usefulness
tulip stream
yeah eviscerate is very good
also I was joking about the slicing winds thing
cause you gotta complete ethereal to unlock slicing winds in the first place
shell pilot
yeah sorry went over my head, woosh
i just saw the words "slicing winds" and was consumed with an unreasonable hatred because this challenge was kicking my ass for too long haha
shell pilot
oh i have it
tulip stream
oh nice
shell pilot
i just still have PTSD
tulip stream
yeah real bois have ptsd over the ethereal achievement
shell pilot
that's why cabbage does it every seed, get over the ptsd
signal scroll
Sure, go hit the wisps yourself and let the Vagrant shoot its homing aoe bombs
tough belfry
the wisps aren't on the ground
tulip stream
oh you're talking about this seed
tough belfry
you shouldn't have an issue
shell pilot
the vagrants body is solid, as long as the vagrant is high enough (which he'll achieve as long as you stand on his head), he'll block all wisp and stone golem lasers and whatever else for you
signal scroll
except wisps spawn above mid ride 95 % of the time
shell pilot
might need to do a couple safety dashes until he's high enough though
tulip stream
don't hit us with the truth like that
signal scroll
I just quit after an HOUR of the same bullshit
solemn fiber
mage, ive gotten past the first stage damageless.
shell pilot
worst case scenario, wait for an easier seed
tulip stream
it's okay, just wait for different seed
solemn fiber
i didnt get past the second stage because of the fire from the beetle
tough belfry
just slamming it might be easier
tulip stream
one of them had like 3 missile drones around the map - very useful
shell pilot
you can absolutely cheese some seeds via rallypoint deltas preon or just spawning tons of drones and hiding
tulip stream
also look for topaz brooches
signal scroll
I did it ONCE, and then The splash of a glacial slam for some reason extended and pulled me INTO the attack, as if the game stuttered. I'm done
solemn fiber
you mean the straight line that is supposed to pull you into the attack?
because its legit moving the ground?
people've beaten this seed for ethereal itemless already.
signal scroll
What the beetle guard? while I was in the air above it?
tulip stream
I'm still thinking whether it is glacial slam or not glacial slam
or is there an ice beetle
shell pilot
the hitbox for beetleguard attacks is really wonky, i sympathize with you here
amount of times i've been several meters in the air and the trail of spikes attack still hits me is pretty dumb
solemn fiber
but truthfully, in an hour of trying this seed, you got to the acres once.
you needa train a bit more on merc.
signal scroll
And I could wait for a different seed, but 75% of the seeds pit you against blazing enemies and magma worms. You could wait months theoretically before one is even possible.
solemn fiber
...they all are.
people post videos on how to do them, and they do them very quickly
signal scroll
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying its crap design
tulip stream
hey mr cabbage can you come over here
tough belfry
it's nothing to do with training merc lmao
signal scroll
324 hours I don't WANT to play more because of this BS
solemn fiber
if they couldnt get past the first stage damageless when they could easily stand atop the vagrants head and avoid the shots by using the iframes
then idk if they dont needa train
you can avoid the shots by iframes and by using the slopes of the vagrant
tough belfry
obviously there are specific things they need to do better but just playing more would do nothing
signal scroll
And then lemurians spawn in such quantities that the game can't process all their shots and their fire goes through the vagrant. Must have happened at least five times
solemn fiber
...the game can process their shots
tulip stream
idk, playing more overall just improves your game sense
solemn fiber
ive never had fireballs go through the vagrant
cyan stratus
@tulip stream yes?
tulip stream
haha I was joking, but there's a little discussion about the ethereal
solemn fiber
this man cant get it after doing it for over an hour
only got past the 1st stage once
cyan stratus
some seeds take me more than an hour
gotta practice merc more before you can do it easily
although this seed is very easy
solemn fiber
well i am trying not to get hit while not caring about being fast
cyan stratus
then you're gonna get unexpected spawns and you have to react with iframes
solemn fiber
blehheh
tulip stream
just wondering, what is an iframe?
solemn fiber
invincibility frame
tulip stream
oh
cyan stratus
attacks like eviscerate or w/e it's called gives you iframes
which is why you dont get damaged while using them
tulip stream
ah
neat anchor
Hellow guys, is the seed okei today?
slim lintel
the seed is always okay, but are you okay?
neat anchor
im not even close to be half decent
signal scroll
Someone mentioned vagrant height, but he always descends for me. any way to change that
signal scroll
Thank fuck. had a run with no wisps
thick dirge
Wisps are not that bad as merc
for this ach
Still didn't unlock arti skill for bursting boss
hard af
or rather fucking random
whole hollow
I cheated 😂
thick dirge
dirty cheater
slim lintel
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad you don't know the difference.
regal loom
cyan stratus
zzz
zenith plinth
Doesn’t really effect you so no real reason to berate him
maiden fossil
not everyone has the time to grind for these missions, you go out of your way to unlock them
zenith plinth
Also he can just make another profile to naturally progress the game if he wants to
slim lintel
If you don't wanna be memed for being a cheating little shit then don't bring it up
shell pilot
@thick dirge i got my artificer burst challenge from prismatic trial, what i did was preon (from rallypoint delta) with 1 pair of glasses (i think i had focus crystal as well) and just kept retrying until the preon crit which is one shot
slim lintel
spamming newts on your way to stage3 to get a shaped glass makes it trivial
shell pilot
otherwise i've heard people use cube + will o wisp and lotsa mobs
thick dirge
@shell pilot I just did it 5 minutes ago. Got random blue portal, shaped glass and armor piercing rounds printer. My third stage was this second one but i got preon from equipement chest
shell pilot
oh score, very nice
thick dirge
i was little scared because i also got razorwire and i tried my best not to proc
@slim lintel Yeah with them it is but i only had 2
Now I only need to do Deicide and Arti, REX and Acrid Mastery Skins
shell pilot
i was trying that but newt was being a complete asshole and not giving me the goods, just burning lunar coins
thick dirge
oh i forgot about logs
slim lintel
Only cheating I'm ok with is lunar coin editing because that entire system is just garbage, cheating challenges is just 🤏🍆
thick dirge
I like lunar coins
shell pilot
honestly don't evne need to cheat them, they drop an okay amount and as long as you obliterate you're fine
thick dirge
it makes runs not that much pointless
shell pilot
and now with the new anal beads of fealty, even more coins
slim lintel
until theres a prismatic trial where in order to get the best time you have to pick up a pod and can spend 100's in a session trying to get the best time
shell pilot
but i do get it, you can slice through your reserves pretty fiercely
oh my god you're right i didn't even consider that
slim lintel
Though even thats not a big deal because no one plays trials anyways 
thick dirge
hopoo is too busy testing new build on drizzle
slim lintel
seriously though idk wtf their QA is doing considering none of them caught golems still spawning as tele boss when I got it like 3 times the day the update launched
tawdry copper
they may not have been told to test that
shell pilot
...but that's something they supposedly did, i'd fuckin hope you test that
i make mods, even something super simple that's as easy as changing one line you test EVERYTHING just in case
never know if you made a typo or if it messes something else up
slim lintel
I mean it is gearbox QA and BL3 is a huge buggy POS so it's not that surprising
shell pilot
so assuming they find a way to stop cheaters times on prismatic trials, what do you think they might make as the reward for top 10%? just some lunar coins?
slim lintel
I always assumed it would be lunar coins or maybe a skin
shell pilot
i feel like it'd have to be some form of currency as it's something you can do over and over
or just yeah skin first time, or even skin + coins or whatever
slim lintel
I still think completing a trial should give you a coin, would combat the lunar pod thing I brought up
shell pilot
i mean, since you can speedrun drizzle obliterate in a short time, it's not like it'll be super crazy efficient or anything
slim lintel
A perfect trial for rex would be about 1:15 so if you did it consistently well it'd be slightly better than obliterating
shell pilot
yeah but then maybe people would play prismatic trials
slim lintel
why would they ever want that 
lets be real though only thing that would do is bring a new wave of complainers in all mad that they have to do trials to get lunar coins fast
shell pilot
unfortunately you're correct
tiny dagger
But that means people will have to race through prismatic trials to get coins efficiently. And racing in prismatic trials was Hopoo's intended purpose for them. If they implement that they're actually 
shell pilot
can't stop the haters
thick dirge
You will be able to cheat time as long as time is local
stone blaze
Hey guys, any tips for completing the merc challenge?
shell pilot
inb4 "don't get hit"
stone blaze
Is it just trial and error then>
shell pilot
watch cabbages videos, they are pinned to this channel
stone blaze
Just familiarize myself with the seed and keep going at it until I can do it flawlessly
shell pilot
you can either follow his route and pray rng is on your side, or cheese it via buying all the drones you can and hiding
quiet wedge
lemurians screw me over on this seed
it's a great seed to do ethereal other than wisps and lemurians snipe you out of nowhere in the first stage
neat anchor
Im actually trash, i can't manage to dodge from the 10 stone titan
Or am i too slow because they spawn too much?
solemn fiber
too slow
neat anchor
Do you recommend printing gasoline?
It seems to be one of the way to actually kick the ass of the first and second level
distant shard
This is so sad. I can't refer to the pinned video beacuse consle doesn't have alt stage 1 and for some reason stage 2 is rally point instead of acres
solemn fiber
i wanna see cabbage play JK
iron wind
me trying to speedrun risk of rain 2 but can't beat 15 minutes... seeing cabbage's runs is demoralizing knowing how unlucky i am
like beating my previous times but getting blazing golems on stage 3 at 4 minutes in on drizzle
cyan stratus
i mean you're just seeing one run out of 1500+ attempts
indigo snow
^
The top runs are the ones that are uploaded, that's always good to keep in mind
Never know how many failures the uploader went through before that one worked out perfectly
People spend months making worlds in Terraria for speedrunning, just waiting for the perfect seed to come along since the recording for that starts pre-world-gen
surreal echo
^ can confirm. Finding stuff like this is extremely hard, especially without tools to let you know whats going to happen with RNG.
stone blaze
Is it just me or is the Merc's alt R just not worth the headache of completing the trials
I did it, and it's pretty good
But it just didn't feel worth it
zenith plinth
slicing winds sucks
stone blaze
I think it's OK
zenith plinth
not compared to eviscerate
stone blaze
The aoe is more reliable than the old one but you lose the mobility it gives
And the invuln
zenith plinth
its damage doesnt even scale
ripe wharf
eviscerate is 110% slicing winds is 100% damage
zenith plinth
that
hopefully they'll buff it
bigger hitbox + something like it pushes you back for mobility would do it
stone blaze
I didn't realize it didn't do as much damage
zenith plinth
if they made it hit more things with a bigger hitbox i'd use it
ripe wharf
theres no good reason to take slicing winds over evisc but if you like the idea of having some ranged its there
slim lintel
please keep all slicing winds discussion in #ror2-memes where it belongs
because that skill is a joke
ripe wharf
one of the crystals dropped a lunar
torpid shell
Would it be as strong as evis if it did more hits with more attack speed? Considering it can hit three things at once
tulip stream
probably not
ripe wharf
i think it being allowed to hit the same enemy with more than one of the three hits would be a start
tulip stream
the invincibility frames are really useful
ripe wharf
is the pinned video the fastest time for the trial?
shell pilot
fastest "verified", as in, not cheating
at least at time of posting, dunno about now
ripe wharf
oh ok, thanks
slim lintel
its the fastest legit time
It's physically impossible to do a trial in 1 min especially as merc who is generally slow af
ripe wharf
wouldnt merc also have to actually kill the elites at the end
slim lintel
well, technically with a perfect layout rex could get a 1 min trial
ripe wharf
time to TAS
slim lintel
nah they could do what cabbage does in his ethereal run but running them all the way to that spot takes forever
ripe wharf
and forever and 1 minute conflict in nature
tough belfry
even the first stage takes 1 minute
ripe wharf
even if you TAS'd the first stage it would take like 30 seconds at least but that would be on rex not merc
slim lintel
A TAS rex first stage would at tops be like 5 seconds faster than mine, unless theres some insane frameperfect bugs in the game
ripe wharf
yeah it would just be like while turning to use the ulility firing a motor round
slim lintel
I do think theres a bug I only got to work once where if you activate an equipment the same frame you pick it up it doesnt go on cd and you can use it again
ripe wharf
is there a good equip in the trial?
i just kinda sloppily did what u did in the video casue im bored
slim lintel
not this one, but way back there was a trial with a crit HUD right next to the tele
and I somehow used it twice
ripe wharf
maybe, but if it was way back it might've been fixed by now
slim lintel
you might be able to use a geyser for a faster s2 but I didnt play around with it a lot
rexs mobility plays very odd with geysers
ripe wharf
i think the crystal boosting is just better
ripe wharf
oh? then is it just too finicky to try to do for a run
slim lintel
no not really, the scorched acre geysers just send you at such an odd angle idk if you can actually get anything going off them
ripe wharf
maybe some sort of frame one use of shift can get the right angle but im not sure you can even TAS games like ror2
yeah i think you would need an emulator
slim lintel
TAS wouldnt even work for S2 because all 6 of the beetle AI's are so random and inconsistent
not a great example but after hitting a geyser you boosts multiply your speed like crazy
ripe wharf
if i was good at using rex utility i would mess around with it but my brain too small to understand trajectory
are there challenge shrines in prismatics?
like the shrines of battle or whatever
ripe wharf
couldnt you try to max out enemies for less beetles?
or would that just take wayyyy too long
slim lintel
theres none on the way and I've played around with it before and it never really seems to effect much of anything
The only thing that could be better but never have been in practice would be a mountain shrine changing a HoM boss in to a single elite boss
but generally mountain shrines in trials just give you a worm of some kind and those are really slow to kill
ripe wharf
im gonna run around s2 and see if theres idk like 99 guillotines just chillin in a barrel
slim lintel
unless an item is a crowdfunder, capacitor, or preon, or a high tier item directly on the path to the tele items are never worth picking up
ripe wharf
the items in chests never change right?
cause its like a set seed
oh thats wierd
you can use the seers in the bazaar to change the stage you go to
time doesnt pause in the bazaar so its just inherently slower
slim lintel
time used to pause in the bazaar in trials but they changed it for some reason, which is sad because you used to be able to change the S2 seed just by entering the bazaar and leaving through the portal
or maybe it never did...
wait no I think they made time pause in the bazaar base game but not in trials I think thats it
ripe wharf
maybe for some trial it would be better to go to bazaar and seer to a better stage
that would be pretty funny if the fastest solution was locked behind lunar coins
slim lintel
thats been the case multiple times
ripe wharf
theres a resonant disc in a large chest by the tp in S1 but i dont think its actually in the teleporter range so it might just be a waste of time plus its not the most reliable red item
oh well the more you know
slim lintel
alright I just played around with it a bit more, the s2 geysers and really be used for anything meaningful, the lower one could be decent if the tele and player spawn were swapped
ripe wharf
im using cheat engines speedhack thing to set game speed to 0.25 just to play around with s1
im getting no where tho, i can only assume u did just ace the first stage
slim lintel
I've had .50s faster S1's so it can def be better, perfect play would def be sub 36, possibly as low as sub 35
wait no I think I actually did get a 35.05 one time so def sub 35
ripe wharf
smh i got like a 41 on quarter speed
slim lintel
sometimes experience trumps cheating
if you really wanna go fast just enable console and give yourself 50 goat hooves and shaped glass
ripe wharf
im just trying to see if theres any sort of optimizations
also would that resonant disc do enough damage to the elites in s2 to make actually killing them better than pushing them off the edge?
slim lintel
pushing is always at least in theory faster but less consistent, getting them all in 1 push is the fastest but highly unlikely. Trials tend to boil down to how much RNG you want to farm
ripe wharf
have devs said anything about the actual rewards for the trials?
slim lintel
devs don't talk about trials it makes them harder to forget
slim lintel
Rex is the best for every trial
highest DPS and good mobility
Loader used to be able to at least compete on very specific trials, but with rex's new util nothing comes remotely close
ripe wharf
hmm
slim lintel
which is sad because loader is actually fun to play
ripe wharf
theres a wierd glitch with loaders spike grapple
if you hit something at the like VERY edge of the range it will do damage and come back
and it will reset cd
slim lintel
yep but thats not really useful for trials since her only way to kill bosses fast enough is through equipment or a fire band / atg missile proc
slim lintel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHV8UJiNnl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9aCBNOerpM
Here's a proc reliant and a equip reliant loader run
also holy crap cabbage is about to hit 200 subscribers from doing merc challenges
ripe wharf
luck based runs 💤
slim lintel
first one is luck 2nd one is pretty consistent
crowdfunder is opaf but everyone just parrots the idea that its bad
ripe wharf
its not bad but even blast shower is better
ripe wharf
exactly
slim lintel
crowdfunder is stronger than royal cap, 20 100% damage 1.0 proc coef attacks a second, basically doing royal cap damage every second its active while proccing like crazy
its like having a better commando strapped on your back
ripe wharf
but but but muh money
slim lintel
by stage like 6 you always have way more money than you need for chests
especially now that ghors tome is in the game
ripe wharf
does drowned mess up crowd or no
slim lintel
idk I don't use lunars
ripe wharf
well i just end up using the rocket launcher thing
slim lintel
crowdfunder is more fun and you actually get to choose what you attack
wintry sedge
this took too long and none of it was worth it but oh well
slim lintel
you gained a sense of pride and accomplishment
orchid garden
jagged plinth
we cant do trials co op right
elfin plinth
No
zenith plinth
0
delicate portal
0?
elfin plinth
0,i don't play
cursive raft
I'm fairly cdertain the teleporter literally has not spawned
THERE IS NO TELEPORTER WHAT THE FUCK
elfin plinth
I'm fairly certain that you haven't looked at that one place
cursive raft
I've literally sweeped the entire second stage 3 tiems over
thin timber
Check the pinned runs, the tp always spawns on the same place
neat anchor
220 😦
cursive raft
bro dont get hit as merc lol
also here's imp fucking overlord as the boss
bro just dont get hit in melee against imp overlord bro its easy bro
elfin plinth
Yes
cursive raft
WHOSE IDEA WAS THIS??
elfin plinth
Hophop
cursive raft
how can human beings have the talent to make such excellent video games and yet also the complete lack of awareness to put such fucking godawful achievements in them
thin timber
It's Beetle Guards if you're faster
slim lintel
how can human beings have the talent to make such excellent video games and yet also the complete lack of awareness to put such fucking godawful achievements in them
tfw you hate the only thing remotely challenging in the game
they are called CHALLENGES after all
delicate portal
will merc ever be good for pris trials?
slim lintel
no
having to physically go up to all 3 crystals every stage while having a fairly slow ttk on them = slow
delicate portal
: {
slim lintel
and in general mercs dps is too low to kill bosses efficiently which is where most of your time is spent
Only chance he'd be remotely good would be if both stages are a vagrant and you bop both of them in to the ground
delicate portal
so my dream of being a weeb is gone ??
slim lintel
I mean you could always get good at the merc challenge and gain 200 subscribers on youtube in a few months like cabbage
thin timber
200 👀
thin timber
They buffed him this update
slim lintel
probably not he's fine in the base game and thats all they care about
though his new util is way overtuned
tough belfry
merc got sub 2 in one trial so far
and rex was still faster that trial, before the update which made rex better
slim fiber
Do you think it's better to buff or nerf?
slim lintel
I don't believe in the "buff dont nerf" philosophy at all. Some shit is just really absurd and needs brought down. Taking everything else up to absurd levels is way worse
shell pilot
REX at this stage really feels like i typed in cheat codes to get the super character
delicate portal
so will ror2 ever become a more competitive game? it would be cool if the main focus of the game was to see who could get better times, higher stages, etc.
slim fiber
I mean, what's the ideal balance for RoR2? Is it getting to a certain stage or obliterating half your runs, like what?
slim lintel
probably not, it will get a decent surge of players once it hits 1.0 and then will die off fairly quick with the truely devoted still playing it regularly
tawdry copper
ideally it would be balanced around a single loop, including the final stage and final boss
slim lintel
I mean look at all the content updates we've had, gets a big surge of players for a little bit then dies down fast. 1.0 will be the same just on a bigger scale
delicate portal
what will 1.0 introduce?
slim lintel
Final stage and boss
slim fiber
final stage and boss
slim lintel
and a new character
slim fiber
you think it'll have anything to do with that void stuff?
tawdry copper
1.0 is not the end of updates
delicate portal
i think the devs should try to make the game a bit more competitive
tawdry copper
also even in it's currently "died down" state there are 13k concurrent players on steam alone as we speak
making a PvE game competitive is... ehhhh
slim lintel
prismatic trials are all there needs to be for competitive in ror2, and even those arent at all popular
slim fiber
pvp Risk of rain
slim lintel
speedrunning the base game is dookie
tough belfry
speedrunning will be better with boss hopefully
slim fiber
i'm thinking why can you ping to attack your teammates?
slim lintel
idc what happens with the final boss or anything if they dont change how tele's work to where you're sitting in a red circle for over 9 minutes every speedrun its poo
slim fiber
yeah the charge thing sucks for speedrunning
but it makes sense so you can't just run away everytime you're on low health because enemies will keep spawning and just make it harder and harder to kill the boss
slim lintel
maybe we'll get a artifact that removes the charge time where you only have to kill the boss or something so its like trials
tough belfry
rex 5 minute speedruns
shell pilot
i preferred tele in ror1, still had charge time and had to kill boss but you didn't have to stand in big dumb red circle
slim lintel
loader would still probably be better since teles drop greens like atg and bands
cyan stratus
lol imagine speedrunning being about getting good boss spawns, one magma worm and you reset
slim lintel
I mean is that really worse than what it is now
tawdry copper
ror1 tele had other problems, i.e. "i just spent five minutes walking to kill the 2nd to last enemy and the final enemy is on the other side of the stage"
cyan stratus
idk i'm not really an authority on base game speedrunning but from my experience this game isn't really a good speedgame