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#prismatic-trials
tough belfry
tough belfry
that's what the routing is for
fallen wyvern
you can even see all the wisps here
and the blazing boi
but if you dont get items, then on the 2nd stage you have to get money, items and then print them. having items from the start is much safer cause you can just print them all and get a shield instantly
tough belfry
no no i took 2x apr
and could have taken other stuff
probably safer to take items after the boss
fallen wyvern
how would you do it so you dont get wisps ?
frail sedge
how many stages do prismatic trials go for? sorry im new
pearl eagle
Always 2 stages
autumn glade
2
frail sedge
thanks
autumn glade
gl
fallen wyvern
i was in a rush cause i thought the time was making the brooch printer change, but if its the key then he could chill
tough belfry
uhh it's kind of difficult to explain but basically different routes will have different enemy spawns
idk enough about the enemy spawning director thing
fallen wyvern
yeah, i noticed that enemies would spawn depending on where i went
tough belfry
but if you have enemies like stone golems spawn, you'll get less wisps
pearl eagle
I think it should spawn about the same enemies but different locations depending on where you are
tough belfry
but i think different locations do affect enemy spawns
pearl eagle
Maybe it has to do with not being able to spawn them because of not enough room or something, therefore it decides to spawn something else instead?
tough belfry
yeah i think so
i'll try to get a video of the route working for not spawning wisps before this trial ends
pearl eagle
I did some reading on the directors and unless the spawn for some reason fails, which I doubt it does btw, it should spawn the same enemies at the same times and such. I'm not quite sure but in the case of the wisps I'm thinking it's just a matter of activating teleporter before the fast director gets another chance to spawn enemies
If I'm remembering correctly I remember something about deactivated directors giving some of their credit to other activated directors, but idk if that's significant or not since I think the teleporter director activates before the fast and slow deactivate
viscid fiber
@fallen wyvern I’ll give this a shot
viscid fiber
@fallen wyvern so after a few dozen attempts I can now make it to the third crystal before taking damage lol
fallen wyvern
@viscid fiber just keep at it, getting to the 2nd stage is the hard part, the rest is ez
latent rune
I got to say I disagree, when 40 wisps and like a dozen golems spawned on top of the blazing titan I felt pretty screwed over, even with a handful of broaches.
fallen wyvern
sometimes you just get screwed over man
viscid fiber
@fallen wyvern would you say it’s that much of a game changer to get both ammo upgrades that help do damage to the boss at the end of the first stage?
fallen wyvern
@viscid fiber not really, but it helps and having items ready to swap in the printer really helps
why ?
viscid fiber
@fallen wyvern because I’m trying to power through the first stage and I’ve been getting dropped by about every cheap shot there is and this time I made it to half way through killing the boss before I got hit.
ornate pulsar
Dont feel like reading this conversation, Is today's trial good for the mercenary challenge?
fallen wyvern
@ornate pulsar yeah, i think so
@viscid fiber if you think not getting the APs might work, give it a shot dude, you've got nothing to lose
viscid fiber
@ornate pulsar I AM VERY CLUMSY WITH CONTROLS DO NOT WATCH MY TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE AND THINK IT REFLECTS ON YOUR CAPABILITIES
verbal osprey
anyone having a really hard time with the mercenary challenge to not take damage on a trial?
gleaming junco
I was able to go stage 1 damageless but the blazing titan gets a little annoying
The drone really helps though
any tips for killing the blazing titan after getting the brooch?
I'm stacking 3 straight from level 1 loot but should I farm for more?
fallen wyvern
i farmed all i could actually
hard glade
Hey, uh, this feels like a dumb question, but I can't seem to find the teleporter on the first stage. Where's it at?
gleaming junco
past the bridge on the lower cliffside
hard glade
Wow, I went looking, fell off at just the right spot, and reset directly on it. Thank you!
viscid fiber
@verbal osprey I am also having trouble and I’m thinking about quitting...and uninstalling. Then again, I’m also hangry.
formal halo
LF1M Hype people VC 6 chill runs
winged totem
I'm having the same issues. Even if I manage to beat the boss without getting blasted (I can't see when the queen charges it), the sheer amount of enemies and blazing ones on the second stage make it impossible.
This is so unappealing.
exotic vine
you know i feel like this prismatic trial challenge loses some of its endearing quality when wisps will attempt to snipe you for 1 damage regardless of effectiveness, range, or even if they don't have a clear line of sight of you
they'll spam hitscan bullets as long as you have a hitbox to receive them
their aimbot is perfect too, theres no way to avoid it if you're in line of sight
the only reason they dont always hit you for full damage every time in the normal game is because they shoot in a spread
gleaming junco
I've been stuck on level 1 for so long because of the teleporters spawning wisps
There's not much leniency for safe zones
even with drones it's highly dependent on where are going to move and target
exotic vine
most of the smaller enemies were switched to an ai based on harassing the player with low damage yet unavoidable attacks during the switch to 3D, pressuring them to take out those ones first
getting hit by a stray lemurian or wisp shot is unavoidable if you don't get lucky and it doesnt help that every attack stone golems throw at you has a splash radius doing 1-2 damage even if you dodge the attack
fire elites force you to use valuable iframes which you need to dodge the boss' unavoidable splash damage attack
sterile notch
ironically enough doing the challenge on this seed is even easier with merc's alt R
exotic vine
doesnt help that wisps will try to shotgun you the literal moment they spawn
carmine path
I feel like this channel has become more and more focused on how unfair the merc challenge is as time has passed from the update
gleaming junco
well I think at some point they will nerf the requirements for some of these challenges
But the current strat so far for success is have a good stage 1 so that you can load up on the 3D printer brooches on stage 2
the brooch really gives you leniency for getting hit then
but the boss is a blazing one so there's that
viscid fiber
@severe quiver @foggy star @heavy drum this is copy/pasted from my Twitter. I say it respectfully and with appreciation for the game you’ve made:
@RiskofRain Today was my day off. I had some chores that needed done but I spent my downtime trying to unlock the ethereal ability and I think the reqs of it are just too much to ask and now I am angry. I don’t mean to be dramatic, but memorizing item drops isn’t why I play.
exotic vine
the devs committed the cardinal sin of making a challenge impossible on launch
gleaming junco
it's not impossible
viscid fiber
@severe quiver @foggy star @heavy drum I won’t complain without offering suggestion: to those who completed this trial, give them a special in-game trophy, THEY’VE EARNED IT. That said, maybe the ability could be unlocked by playing through any level without taking damage. It still takes skill, but if we are relying on a combination of skill and luck, perhaps this can still provide a good challenge and the payoff we want without taking away all of the skill and fun of going after new skills for some of our favorite characters like the merc.
exotic vine
^
the only "strategy" that makes it possible is using a very specific item that doesnt show up on a lot of dailies
im so salty about this, its the only thing i havent unlocked yet
viscid fiber
@exotic vine hey, this is a really fun game, and it’s been years since I’ve had this much fun over a new game, and I’ve never gotten to participate in a ground-level launch and development and growth of a game like this and I love it. I won’t call it a sin, but I will say I don’t understand how to master a game that doesn’t have consistent rules like the ever-changing prismatic trials.
exotic vine
yeah, i agree
viscid fiber
@severe quiver @foggy star @heavy drum All critiques and complaints aside, I LOVE the idea of a challenge like the no-hit-point-loss for the merc, but please consider changing the regis to unlock my favorite character’s skill.
exotic vine
i called it a cardinal sin because it feels like a mistake nearly every game developer makes during development
making something too hard and being forced to nerf it later
i remember isaac did that a lot
viscid fiber
@exotic vine sounds to me like an inevitable challenge in refining a good game to make it great.
exotic vine
yeh
viscid fiber
@exotic vine who?
gleaming junco
Binding of Isaac he means
exotic vine
the binding of isaac had a challenge character called "the lost" who could pick up items for free but he died in one shot always meaning you couldnt take a single hit of damage for the entire game
he was eventually buffed to have a buffer that protected him from one hit
but only once a room
i think a way to fix the challenge would be to allocate it to its own custom prismatic trial where you start with a brooch maybe
drifting egret
"complete THE TRIAL"
it's a hidden doorway somewhere on a map that you have to find as the mercenary and complete
exotic vine
to give a little more consistency while retaining most of the challenge
oh yeah good idea
like those thingies in doom 4 that put you through a trial for a special ability?
drifting egret
yeah something like that. it would also open the door for more exploration incentive, to have stuff like that hidden around the map
viscid fiber
@exotic vine ohhhhhhhhh ok!
patent chasm
why are you spamming the devs
cyan stratus
man y'all complaining about this challenge it really isn't even that hard, just grab some brooches and dont get hit
exotic vine
i like the idea of finding the challenge shrines in-game but that might clash with artifacts 2.0
and i know they're gonna hide them because of all the mysterious empty space in all the levels
@cyan stratus not every prismatic trial has brooches and if it doesn't, you have to wait a few days for a new one since its not like dailies
it resets every few days
thats what happened with the last prismatic trial
cyan stratus
brooches should count towards taking damage though, the challenge isn't hard with them, idk why people are complaining on an easy seed
patent chasm
truth ^
slim lintel
Cabbage just think, these poor souls are having to play prismatic trials against their will. It's the bad gamemode reeee
patent chasm
is loader any good on trials
cyan stratus
no
slim lintel
I tried to play arti and got depressed so I'm taking a break
patent chasm
you would think he is because he's literally the fastest character
viscid fiber
@patent chasm I sent one two-part message that I thought out respectfully in hopes of getting their attention. Now you’re blocked.
cyan stratus
dude but like you typed an entire 3 page essay on why a challenge shouldn't be challenging
???
exotic vine
it'd still be challenging with 1 or 2 brooches since they wouldn't protect you from all damage
just the wisps and lemurians mostly
viscid fiber
@cyan stratus blocked
slim lintel
uh oh stinky
cyan stratus
should rename this channel to #complain-about-merc-challenge
slim lintel
I already made a joke like that
cyan stratus
oh
i used to read every message in this channel but it's hard to sift through everything nowadays
slim lintel
a lot of it isnt worth reading, its all the same thing
cyan stratus
i mean at least there's new creativity on routing or w/e even though it misses the entire point of trials
slim lintel
I guess
Sadly people can't handle a challenge so they just complain about needing a perfect seed instead of improving their gameplay and cd management
exotic vine
i assume you're both people who've already completed it?
cyan stratus
i did it on the first seed to prove it wasn't hard
exotic vine
videos or it didnt happen
cyan stratus
there's videos of the first seed already
if you doubt my trial abilities check my channel
viscid fiber
@slim lintel be condescending to people who don’t like certain things that you like. Blocked.
cyan stratus
man this guy really gonna be talking to himself after blocking half the population
slim lintel
People that say when they block you are the worst kind of people, also enjoy this little [blocked message] goodie packet
viscid fiber
@exotic vine#its not about proving how good they are, it’s about being as rude as they can be, as anonymously as possible from as far away as they safely can.
slim lintel
I'm surprised this person can even attempt a challenge considering they seem to completely lack a spine
exotic vine
still waiting for that video evidence my lettucey friend
what's your channel name?
i'd like to see the run
cyan stratus
i didn't record it since others already did
you can find my channel by clicking my profile though
exotic vine
oh
cyan stratus
idk why you would think i can't beat the challenge when all i play is trials
exotic vine
im a firm believer of 'pics or it didnt happen'
cyan stratus
ok well i'm completely fine with you not believing me
since it really doesn't change anything
slim lintel
I bet people wouldnt bitch about this challenge if it was clear 2 stages in base game, they're just pissy they have to play the reee bad gamemode
exotic vine
but prismatic trials is bad
cyan stratus
nah i think people would complain about it either way when it's the hardest challenge out there
slim lintel
Then gtfo and dont ask for our help
exotic vine
kek
exotic vine
i don't think its that at all
i disagree
because i've done all the 'challenging' content before this
in ror1 there was a challenge similar to this but it was balanced differently since 2d
and it was better
slim lintel
I mean this is the only challenge in the game that is actually challenging and not something you'll just randomly get playing the game normally
There should be more like this
exotic vine
i dont think beating the game on monsoon post-health-regen-nerf is anything to sneeze at
call me a low level gamer all you want
but i dont think the game is too easy in its current state
cyan stratus
if with beating the game you mean completing 7 stages then i dont see how that isn't easy
something like 20 stages then sure
exotic vine
i've done that too
cyan stratus
but you really can't compare stuff like that
slim lintel
RoR is supposed to be brutal, this game overall was way too forgiving compared to what its supposed to be
slim lintel
It's not an opinion hopoo has stated multiple times the game is supposed to be challenging/brutal. It's literally the devs intentions
exotic vine
yeah and i think it is
its a hard game
maybe not as hard as ror1 but its still not easy by any means and i'm not entirely sure that the challenge was intended to be this difficult
since its a skill unlock
if you dont do the challenge, you just dont get the skill entirely
cyan stratus
but the point of a challenge is to be difficult, complaining about it because it's difficult is a waste of time
i understand if you say it's bad design
but hating on a challenge based on difficulty is stupid
slim lintel
The problem isnt that this challenge is too hard, it's that the others are way too easy. This one seems out of place when it should be the standard they try to meet
exotic vine
if it was an item unlock i would understand but its a skill that contributes a lot to the game
cyan stratus
ok and?
slim lintel
Believe me you're not missing anything but game completion % missing this ability
exotic vine
i want my skill ;-;
cyan stratus
then edit the game file
viscid fiber
@exotic vine there really isn’t anything as challenging as ethereal imo. You don’t need to justify anything. You have the right to just dislike something without having to explain to someone that you have your right to your opinion; nearly every response they make is about how their supposed superior skill gives them the right to put you and others who don’t possess said hypothetical skill in the perjorative. There are real people who are postulating that a game is easy or too easy, and instead of offering constructive criticism they are attacking the other players. Honestly if what they do is so challenging and what I do is so weak, there’s nothing to be gained from putting me down. It doesn’t make me try harder or want to impress them. It’s just straight up harassment.
slim lintel
I'm just jaded all you filthy normies are invading my safe space
slim lintel
The keys to the kingdom have already been found and posted many times for this seed. The only thing stopping you is you.
viscid fiber
@exotic vine pretty rude to say I’m part of the generation shitting in the ocean, but clearly this chat is not a place where gamers bond over a cool new game.
exotic vine
Don't get me wrong, i'm not complaining that it's "TOO DIFFICULT" and "NEEDS TO BE NERFED FOR NORMIES TO COMPLETE IT", i enjoy the challenge as much as you do, but i feel it's too dependent on luck and without the extra boost from brooches, it's ridiculously hard in comparison to the rest of the game difficulty. The difficulty spike is just too steep for people who dont run trials or for streamers who play the game 12 hours a day. the whole reason why it's so frustrating is because you aren't just missing game completion by not being able to complete the trial, you're missing an integral part of merc's kit which allows you to enjoy the character more as a result, by virtue of more options avaliable.
cyan stratus
you're saying that like this challenge has anything to do with trials. the point of trials is to go fast. the point of this challenge is to go slow and not get hit
exotic vine
@viscid fiber every generation shits in the ocean, boomers are just given a bad rap because they had it good in their youth
cyan stratus
there's nobody forcing you to do this challenge. if you hate it that much just edit the file to unlock it and move on with your life
slim lintel
nothing about the skill is enjoyable. You'll use it once and never go back
viscid fiber
@exotic vine not at all the part of my message that I felt was the most important.
exotic vine
hey man i said no offense so dont be offended
slim lintel
If you're having trouble beating this challenge you're not going to like a skill that halves your mobility and gives no iframes
exotic vine
does it matter? it's still extra choice and enhances the game experience for me at least
i dont care if it sucks, its fun to use alt skills
slim lintel
then go unlock it. The games whole commercial selling point is kill die repeat, trials are just that but condensed way down
exotic vine
i give up, you guys completely missed the point of my message
cyan stratus
ok
viscid fiber
@exotic vine suddenly I’m no longer offended. I’m not a boomer. I’m only exactly like a boomer in every other way. Thanks. Completely different. Life is wonderful again and I’m cured!
exotic vine
why do you hate boomers so much?
slim lintel
Man this guy really doesnt have a spine
cyan stratus
man this guy really out here giving this troll a full course meal plus dessert
exotic vine
im not sure who you're implying the troll is either way its topkek
viscid fiber
Because boomers are my parents generation and the reason I had to be born. Fuck existence.
cyan stratus
he's the troll and you're the guy that's mad since he can't beat a challenge
slim lintel
cheer up emo kid
cyan stratus
it's no use, he blocked you remember
exotic vine
slim lintel
blocking just gives them tasty little [blocked message] packets to click open
cyan stratus
man all that needs is the ifunny logo and we got a wrap
anyways can someone go beat my 1:55 rex so i have a reason to play this trial again
it's really not hard you just gotta farm some sticky bomb procs
slim lintel
I miss the good 'ol days of trials when there was about 1 message a week
cyan stratus
i miss the real good old days when people routed mult and plugged their crit preon videos
slim lintel
lmao
cyan stratus
remember that 2:13 that the one guy got since he hit 1/100 crit preon
i got 2:15 that trial, feels bad
viscid fiber
@exotic vine if anyone is trolling, I definitely think it’s the people who are in a game dev chat who are intentionally insulting people who seem to be legitimately trying to provide positive feedback. But hey what do I know SIRI BLOCK HATERS DELETE RUDE COMMENT LIVE LAUGH LOVE
cyan stratus
man go back to reddit ffs
exotic vine
(ignore him, i'm supposed to have already left the chat)
slim lintel
who did that, it wasnt bunny was it?
cyan stratus
nah it was some random that we assumed was legit but maybe wasn't
slim lintel
Oh yeah I think I remember him
slim lintel
I miss finding new tech and shit, and there was more than 3-4~ of us
Now its just tele rush rex with no tech at all and merc shitposts
thanks hopoo
cyan stratus
i think trials would be much more interesting with 1 character locked per trial
slim lintel
yeah but sometimes it would be commando 🤢
cyan stratus
yea but that's still interesting since everyone's on an even playing ground
sure the run would be long but imagine all the possible routes
grabbing items would be viable
slim lintel
I guess. I'd still prefer the char leaderboards as you could chose who you wanted to route and go for multiple top times
cyan stratus
not enough players for that
slim lintel
also unless they change this merc challenge having to wait like a month for a challenge locked to merc would just open up the salt mines even further
cyan stratus
well im just saying what i think would make trials more fun, i dont care about this merc challenge at all
slim lintel
Same but its here now and something needs to be done
rancid crypt
XD
tough belfry
bright dune
is the current trial vvorth grinding the 1OO% hp challenge for merc, or should i vvait for an easier one?
zenith plinth
@bright dune watch the video that JUST GOT POSTED
stray ember
The video shows how to get through stage 1. Stage 2 ends with a burning titan. I wouldn't say it's very challenge friendly
slim lintel
Stage 2 literally has a brooch printer. Brooches break the challenge. Stage 1 is the only difficult part and it's not that bad
pearl eagle
Holy shit I missed out on a lot of drama
Something like that probably won't happen for a couple years in this channel knowing how slow it usually is
Anybody know how long is left of the trial?
hard tide
9,5 hours
pearl eagle
Aight, thanks
hard tide
I'm currently failing at the first boss and it's no fun
pearl eagle
You doing merc challenge?
hard tide
Yup
pearl eagle
Isn't the first boss beetle queen? I'd assume that would be one of the easier bosses to not get hit on. Look for the spit attack and pop your R when she fires probably should do the trick
stray ember
First area isnt too hard. The boss has two attacks and you have a lot of abilities that make you unhittable. Two armor piercing rounds he should go down relatively fast. Just try till you get it. But the next boss being fire, it can eat through your brooch armor pretty quick. I think a different challenge would be easier
fallen wyvern
the challenge isnt that hard, its just frustrating and it just demands a lot of time, and some people dont really have time to play more than 1-2 hs
i think a better challenge would be to not go under a certain % of hp (like the rex unlock) like 95% hp or something
so you could get hit once or twice, without having to get either a preon to instagib bosses, or brooches to cheese the challenge
cause right now if 5 wisps spawn all at once, and not clump together, theres nothing you can do about it. you can kill 3 with your shift and 1 with your R, if the last one decides to shoot after your R, you're fucked.
stray ember
My mistake. I meant a different prismatic seed would be easier.
hard tide
right now i'm trying out a strategy i found on reddit that seems good, its just that you need to fight the first boss with little to nothing in order to spawn the brooche 3d-printer on the second stage
pearl eagle
Brooch 3d printer is on s2 no matter what as long as you don't pick up a key on s1
So you can take your time on s1, just don't pick up a key
stray ember
My issue is the burning titan at the end of 2. unless you're lucky/perfect with your dashes his fire can eat through shield real fast. Especially if there arent enemies around to boost it
fallen wyvern
@stray ember did you get a drone ? they're great at taking the aggro
stray ember
I did not. A good idea, but i still think a different seed will wind up being less difficult than dealing with a burning titan. Even considering the brooch printer.
fervent harbor
I've been trying to use loader because you can one shot the crystals with shift but I always keep dying on 2 due to fire damage
stray ember
True. We are talking about the mercenary challenge to complete a prismatic challenge without falling below 100% health
fervent harbor
just eats away at my hp too much
fallen wyvern
@fervent harbor punching give you shield and keeps you up in the air, have you tried punching after using your shift ? maybe you could mitigate the dmg that way
like go in with shift WITHOUT using the grapple, after hitting the titan, grapple to him and start punching the shit outta him
fervent harbor
does the fire damage activate only when you touch the trail?
fallen wyvern
i think so, but also with the laser and shoothing thingy above his head
fervent harbor
cause I've been trying to use shift to get airborne but I keep falling back down lol
fallen wyvern
so not on contact with him, but everything else yeah
fallen wyvern
if you grapple to his chest and start punching, you should stay up there for a while
fervent harbor
besides the only items I've been picking up is the sticky bomb and the leeching seed
I'm going to have to try that
fallen wyvern
theres 2 AP rounds in the first map, and if you pick up the rusty key the brooch printer becomes an AP round printer, maybe that would help
fervent harbor
mk
wraith plinth
Just did ethereal with 5 brooches and lots of hiding goddamn
fallen wyvern
@wraith plinth nice
stray ember
grats
swift pumice
is the prismatic seed not changing? been the same for 3 days
Alsl fuck spawn manipilation too rng to not get the blazing wisp on beetle queen
tough belfry
IT IS NOT RNG >:((((
swift pumice
sure
spawn one golem and you are good, be a bit late and you have 2 golems roaming around and a blazing wisp spawning on boss
tough belfry
ok i've done it 4 times
all of them have been the same
i just did it twice in a row
the second one i waited 15 seconds doing nothing
it was the same
maybe it's something weird like the settings affecting it
slim lintel
put your fps cap at 30 and make sure you put the maximum corpses up to maximum
also play in a 800 x 600 window for best results
tough belfry
ok can someone do a video of how they got blazing wisps pls
swift pumice
i get em usually if i carry >4 items an also is close to minute 2 on the clock when summon boss
below four items it doesnt spawn
tough belfry
OH i got them
noble basin
finally
swift pumice
i just gonna stop atempting this bullshit until the seed changes
having a blazing boss is just non worth my stress
ornate pulsar
^^^
fervent harbor
well I finally did a run with loader
3:30.64
grabbed the two armour piercing rounds in 1, grabbed the one in 2, then just used full charge shift and grapple constantly for the boss
cyan stratus
play rex instead
fervent harbor
no
solemn tendon
Lmao
pearl eagle
He is, and it is
He's got insane damage, range and movement utility which also works with crystals and the geysirs
left void
so, mercenary 0 damage prismatic, how about that?
pearl eagle
It's fairly possible this trial since there's a brooch printer on s2 if you don't pick up a key on s1
elfin plinth
for Ethereal you need a trial with a lot of brooches
ember coral
Then again, the boss has Burning
So you'll have to manage those brooches with a fair amount of care
pearl eagle
As long as you don't stand in his fire for too long that shouldn't be a problem
Tried it a bit earlier today to see how difficult it felt, and biggest issue is wisps during s1 bossfight if you are too slow, and a lot of mobs during s2 fight
Also if you go too far into the air the titan might laser you
manic token
any boxes worth getting for the 0 damage challenge or just go straight to boss?
ember coral
on stage 1, there's 2 Armor Piercing Rounds
Stage 2 has 3D Printer of Brooches, so you probably want those too
winter dragon
anything i shouldnt pick up on stage 1 if i wanna do 0 hit challenge?
elfin plinth
rusty lockbox
thin timber
I usually got 4, so that I can instantly get a solid number of brooches right when I spawn
winter dragon
and to do challeng
thin timber
The 2 AP Round, the Sticky Bomb, and then the Warbanner since it's on the way
Don't forget the Drone, it helps a lot in taking aggro away from you, especially from the blazing wisp
thin timber
Uh, I dunno, you don't have to ask about every detail lol, the Trials are about Trial and Repeat, you're going to do the Trial multiple times before you're able to get the achievement anyways, I think it's a better usage of time to just try it out rather than ask here
That way you get a feel for all the things and can actually start trying to not get hit
winter dragon
ok thanks for the help 🙂
fervent harbor
I only got the two AP rounds on the 1st stage (aside from the leeching seed drop as well), then grabbed the AP round on stage 2, along with the healing drone after activating the teleporter
dapper raven
If nothing else this was a good seed to die three fiery deaths to.
fervent harbor
yes
cyan stratus
yes
tardy stirrup
any brooches on this one?
obtuse nexus
nice
slim lintel
oh look, a trial where arti's new m2 would be useful but there isnt a single crystal to jump with so rex can beat the entire trial before arti can even reach the s2 tele
cyan stratus
just use a vase
slim lintel
that is with using the vase
cyan stratus
btw if you think arti is useful take a good look at where all the brass contraptions spawn
number 5 will surprise you
slim lintel
🤡
viscid fiber
Going after merc challenge again. Looks like the right path is towards the drop off, grab the teddy bear, then the gunner drone, activate turrets....then no idea after that.
@ember coral I’m trying time use the turrets placed by the teleported to draw aggro, can’t decide is both or just one is best.
slim lintel
if you couldnt get it last trial theres not a chance in hell you can get it this trial
fervent harbor
does anyone know what the rusty key does in this seed
viscid fiber
Has anyone happened to get the merc achievement today? I’m still working on trying to find the right path and I think I’m making progress.
naive topaz
this trail good for merc challenge?
ember coral
doesn't seem to be the case
naive topaz
i like how right after they made loadouts, the prismatic was purposely the brooch printer and multishops so it was ez
i was busy that prismatic, so now im gonna have a x10 harder time getting it than anyone else who happened to have time to do the ez trial
latent stag
it wasn't even that easy, I had to grind for ~6 hours to unlock it
with bad seeds it's just... impossible lol
naive topaz
rip merc mains
ember coral
tbf Slicing Winds isn't even a good choice
viscid fiber
@naive topaz I’m chipping away a path but I haven’t beat the first stage. Also I never do prismatic trials so big learning curve for me. The key seems to be the gunner drone for me and the two turrets by the teleporter I think.
@naive topaz “
i was busy that prismatic, so now im gonna have a x10 harder time getting it than anyone else who happened to have time to do the ez trial” that’s the world I’m in rn
fading sparrow
re
cyan stratus
you should do it faster
fading sparrow
This is my limit. Cabbage man
zenith plinth
cyan stratus
man you can get sub 2 i believe in you
fading sparrow
but blazin brass boi with overloading brassess
fading sparrow
me after digging current trial
swift pumice
I mean just remove blazing anythinh from the rotation of 2nd boss, getting hit by thw fire trail is super easy with merc
Specially againts enemies u must dash in to be ablw to hit em
obtuse nexus
The only seeds that will ever have an ez Merc unlock will be ones with Aegis and heals or ones with a buttload of Brooches
I'm not sure if it's realistically possible to go hitless in 3d Risk of Rain. You could do it in 2d but even then it was pretty hard
fallen wyvern
maybe with the hardlight afterburner, just spam shift forever
fervent stag
Well even if there is a decent seed in the future most people already did their challenge so there are less guides and information around on how to complete current seed
swift pumice
aslong as there are very few wisp spawns and no blazing
you can manage hitless with a bit of effort
naive topaz
We will be the few that missed the launch seed with brooches and will help each other out when no one else will.
The merc outcasts
How does someone do the prismatic in 21 goddamn seconds? That had to be cheating
pearl eagle
Cheating has always been a problem in PTs, pretty much everything under 1:30 is probably cheated
cyan stratus
one trial was 1:27 possible as rex though
pearl eagle
probably
cyan stratus
i can say with certainty that any time under 1:30 for this trial is cheated though
viscid fiber
@naive topaz IG you got any advice for me I’m all ears about merc stuff.
tough belfry
@viscid fiber get gud
cyan stratus
oh no you're gonna get blocked now
viscid fiber
I can’t remember the last time some whiny little bitch with no life made such an effort to harass me. Fuck. Off.
pearl eagle
lmao
slim lintel
I'm half way tempted to do this trial no hit no items and dub the most weeby ass music over it at max volume
zenith plinth
Uh oh gamer rage
pearl eagle
Please do, I'd love to watch that
cyan stratus
this trial is stupid no hit, i assume it's just grabbing drones and hiding
slim lintel
but just imagine all these people complaining its to hard and I just sit in a corner and complete it with weeb music blaring in the background
zenith plinth
Tally up how many attempts it takes
slim lintel
well you see after the first 68 "tries" I'd get it first try 
finite glade
is this trial possible to get the merc achievement
pearl eagle
Kill it with fire
slim lintel
already got stage 1 down no items ez
glossy beacon
is it still elite brassholes on stage 2 if you lunar seer for siren call in the bazaar?
soft acorn
zenith plinth
okay how the fk do am i supposed to complete a prismic trail as mecr without getting hit
because wisp spawns on top of me and insta hit me with its hitscan bs
Check back in two days and we might have something for you
why 2 days?
@zenith plinth
Prismatic Trail swaps out every few days
oh i see
If the community can map it, they will
i just see it possible to not get hit
when wisp are around..
Topaz Brooch exists
shy pecan
i feel like merc trial would have gotten better reception if it made you get a sub 3 or sub 2:30 time
since that's like the point of trials
pearl eagle
sub 2:30 is actually pretty damn difficult for a merc without a good trial I think
tough belfry
still waiting for sub 2
fading steppe
Any luck for ethereal this time round? Im not seeing anything easier than just godlike play
cyan stratus
yea it's easy this trial
fading steppe
Wait how so
cyan stratus
basically just play normally but every time you're about to get hit, move out of the way
plush ember
109775241081295268 monsson celestial portal
fading steppe
Okay so any non vegtables have an idea?
plush ember
109775241081295268 monsson celestial portal
VC 27
109775241081295268 monsson celestial portal VC 15
cyan stratus
this is actually an easy seed for ethereal challenge
idk why there aren't more people routing it
fading steppe
Please, route it yourself
cyan stratus
but i dont need the achievement
fading steppe
Also, The red item on second stage is Aegis, for anyone else
If its easy, plenty of people in the community would appreciate it
cyan stratus
ok i guess i can do it later tonight when i get home
plush ember
109775241081295268
wooden vortex
eww yucky no thanks
misty zealot
sir this is a prismatic trial channel
slim lintel
shame that one guy has you blocked smh now he'll never have the keys to the kingdom
cyan stratus
oh well, what can i do
cyan stratus
ok here is the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPglIfno08&feature=youtu.be
i routed s2 on the fly since i didn't really know what i was doing
slim lintel
I really like the part where you sit on top of a mountain for multiple minutes
cyan stratus
had to speed that part up
fading steppe
You know what, Cheesing with meteorite never even crossed my mind
Good idea. Seems like a nice run
cyan stratus
wasn't kidding when i said it was easy
tough belfry
you missed the opportunity for max volume weeb music though
still ice
Couldn't you do that same strat with disposable missile launcher too?
slim lintel
I'm with caastl you could have added so much charm to that video
cyan stratus
every x seconds boss gets ~900 more hp so you have to outdamage that
slim lintel
missed opportunity
slim lintel
Sorry to inform you bub but you were playing merc, you were a weeb in those moments
cyan stratus
people were complaining about this trial being impossible though so i had to do something
it was not by choice
slim lintel
thats why you torture them with weeb music while they watch you stand on a mountain waiting for a cd
I might try again to do it itemless later, I got distracted earlier
And I'll do it right
cyan stratus
nah dont try it itemless stage 2 sucks
fading steppe
I will say it doesn't seem as easy as stack8ng brooch and literally playing the game regularly
cyan stratus
but i am playing the game regularly
slim lintel
its basically stack brooch and play the game normally but put a fraction more thought in to your shift and R instead of spamming them on cd
fading steppe
You sit on a mountain and wait for a cooldown regularly?
cyan stratus
i dont play the base game so everything i do is regular
and you dont even need brooch, all you have to do is just not get hit
cyan stratus
im gonna make you suffer and say yes
slim lintel
oof
cyan stratus
but like i seriously doubt doing it itemless is within the realm of possibility, i wouldn't even seriously attempt it
just b/c of 2nd boss fight, rest is doable
slim lintel
the bells dont even seem that bad, I had one of em dead and a few injured and then my stupid ass cat jumped on my hand and a random fireball hit me
cyan stratus
yes i know but it's a horde of 6
tough belfry
huh i got 2
cyan stratus
i get 6 with my 1:40 rex
tough belfry
ah ok
fervent stag
I have no idea how trials work but it would seem logical that the bosses are harder the faster you are
tough belfry
no they get harder
when you take longer like normal game
but the game is stupid with horde of many bosses
silver swift
Is this a good trial to get Ethereal?
tough belfry
it's not a bad one
slim solar
im gonna try it now
slim solar
its still that seed?
tough belfry
yeah
slim solar
oh bet
slim solar
omg the wisp are so time dependent
fervent stag
Try to have atleast 1 iframe ready at all times to counter bad luck
unreal flame
is this the best way to do the trial ?
slim solar
no still hard af wanna punch my monitor
I just cant the wisp spawns im getting are unreal
doable
unreal flame
meh i realy dont like this challenge
slim solar
cause im trying to follow that route but im still about to rage
yeah its driving me away from the game when I have to check discord everyday its not like I cant do it but why make it so hard for a lackluster skill supposedly
fervent stag
If you are even a few seconds slower the spawns could be entirely different
slim solar
im not gonna give up but shit if they think everyone's gonna do this they are crazy
fervent stag
Most people did it in the seed r7ght after update when it was very simple and easy
unreal flame
i lost on the frist seed with 4 dmg, 7 dmg and 15 dmg i got tierd
fervent stag
I dont play much merc and I spent like 1h after finding a guide to complete it
If you feel like the current seed isnt fit, tyere will be other chances in the future
unreal flame
i dont mind the challenge but when i need to wait for a good seed its no good
slim solar
Sucks that I was on vacation and missed my only real chance
thats bad design
and everyone I try to get into the after missed the chance as well
the game*
yeah same @unreal flame
fervent stag
Biggest problem for me was the bpsses and wisps/lemurians, the best chance you will have is by learning how these enemies behave and how to deal with them without taking dmg... I know it sounds like a nobrainer but there isnt much else people can help with
slim solar
yeah im not really begging for help im begging for better challenge design
fervent stag
Understandable
unreal flame
i almost perfect the first seed and i need to wait now
slim solar
In theory I could just memorize everything for this and perfect a run but why should merc be the only one to do that its just weird
tough belfry
uhh every character memorizes a route and optimises it in trials
you just don't play trials
fervent stag
Yea definitely cant do it by improvisation, even on the good seed you had to memorize the spawns
Just less to memorize I guess since topaz brooch gives some leeway
slim solar
yeah but you guys grind this game
I literally just think its fun im not trying to compete im trying to have fun with a game man
topaz made it a cake walk
tough belfry
if it's not fun grinding for an achievement don't do it
slim solar
and i didnt even get to attempt it
unreal flame
i dont mind, i moind having to wait a better seed
slim solar
but that literally make the challenges system flawed af
yeah Im going to have to wait to im not ruling it out its
just that why
tough belfry
i kind of agree that it's bad there was a good seed once then bad seeds
but i'd prefer it to be hard all the time than be easy all the time
slim solar
I prefer to have a hard challenge too like huntress version of this challenge is just take no damage on one stage
but this is waiting for good rng
its whack
tough belfry
most of the seeds so far have been possible
slim solar
yeah but not the topaz cake walk that the first one was
still gonna keep on trying this route but I cant waste my day away for this stupid challenge
gl everyone 👍 🙏
dusty karma
Anyone managed to do ethereal on the current seed?
I don't think I have the mental capacity for it 
zenith plinth
i almost managed the first stage
thanks to the turrets near the teleporter
but still got bopped by a wisp so rip
viscid fiber
I got half way through the first boss. I just don’t have the chops for it yet
cyan stratus
yea i uploaded a video of an easy route
dusty karma
Nutty
heavy lance
is it easy to unlock mercenary skin today?
dusty karma
Ethereal gets you a new skill, the skin is through Monsoon obliterate
heavy lance
oh yea i mean the skill
are there armors or something that can help in the chests of today's trial?
dusty karma
I couldn't find any
Cabbage's run sort of cheeses it with meteorite
First stage has a fuck ton of wisps though
rough orchid
yeah its looking like a no go
slim lintel
viscid fiber
I can’t get past the first stage without getting hit and I only got to the first boss fight a couple times out of dozens of failures.
Also I use a wired Xbox controller but I’m thinking about moving to Nelson keyboard if it gets me more precision but I don’t know if it’s even worth it to try to re-learn how to play the game.
dusty karma
It wouldn't be that bad if it weren't for the randomness of the seeds
pearl eagle
If you are having troubles getting to the first boss you should probably manage your iframe abilities better
Also, the trial isn't really random at all, just enemy spawns are dependent on time making it seem a bit random at times
dusty karma
How is it not random?
pearl eagle
How is it random?
dusty karma
It's literally a randomly generated set of stages every X hours
pearl eagle
Oh in that regard lmao
I mean, yeah it's a randomly generated seed, but it's always been like that
About 1 trial so far after challenges dropped have been bad for the merc
dusty karma
Yeah but basing a challenge on that is kinda iffy
pearl eagle
I can see that point of view
But I think the people complaining about the randomness of seed aren't used to running the same seed over and over again
Might just be me though, since I've put way too much time into trials and it comes naturally
dusty karma
or, don't have the time to be running the same seed over and over and over and over
pearl eagle
I guess that is something rather difficult to balance for the devs. You want to make hard challenges for people to enjoy and grind, but also make it accomplishable for the people who don't have much time
But in this game you do have the option to unlock it via files if you want to unlock it for the ability and not for the challenge itself
dusty karma
I would like to have a challenge I can work towards, but with the seed changing every few days that's not entirely possible
carmine path
is the video cabbage posted for the current seed?
scarlet kernel
So how are people beating the current fucking trial with the merc to get his challenge?
That shit is ridiculous
deep urchin
YEEEEEEEEET
scarlet kernel
Is there a route for the current seed for ethereal merc
Because these wisps are bullshit
obtuse nexus
It is supposedly a remarkably bad seed for Ethereal
scarlet kernel
Without a doubt it is
Without something like turtle brooch it is pretty much impossible
tepid lagoon
just scroll up to watch the vid
cyan stratus
yea it's an easy route
tough belfry
@viscid fiber idk how well controller works for this game and idk how comfortable you are with keyboard+mouse but being able to quickly dash from wisp to wisp is really helpful. if you're taking the same route every time the wisp spawns should be around the same areas so you can be ready for them with your dash and eviscerate charged. if you're failing to even get to the boss try a faster route with less items maybe.
velvet marlin
Tried following Cabbage's route but I always go a lil too slow on stage 1 and the wisps end up spawning at a bad time
tough belfry
when is "a bad time"
viscid fiber
@tough belfry thanks. With all the complexities required and stuff like that I’m just gonna have to wait on the next seed and hope for some topaz. Having to re-learn on the keyboard with six hours left isn’t gonna get me where I need to be but I definitely see the advantages of using the mouse.
velvet marlin
Just out in the open away from turrets, after I've used at least one of my movement abilities on a time crystal
velvet marlin
Theres a little bit of terrain but if I hang around lemurains would catch up, and usually the problem is that I can't make enough distance with my dash from the wisps
Don't expect to get Ethereal this seed, reckon I'll wait until another one with Topaz pops up
brisk shard
who want unlock all skill pm me
slim lintel
pm them to join the smol pp club
naive topaz
too many goddamn wisps in this prismatic
cyan stratus
you can avoid the 1st wisp spawns with the quantum tunnel, and the other wisp spawns by having the titan bodyblock / gunner turret / drone draw aggro
the wisps really aren't an issue this trial if you do the same thing consistently
eternal sandal
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/786365513458696389/6E496FA8EAF88B23AF607870B1E09E4A4060022E/ Screw this challenge so hard. Thanks for the route Cabbage
unique belfry
Route? 👀
eternal sandal
cabbage posted a video a while back
the seed's only gonna last a couple mroe hours
The biggest problem is getting past world 1 without getting hit. After you start the TP on world 2, it's just camping with the meteorite and not hitting yourself
cyan stratus
yea np
kindred hull
eternal sandal
You go to the bazaar
stone edge
yeah screw that, and screw waiting for a seed thats actually possible, im gonna cheat this challenge in and do the rest legit
maybe if they gave merc some way to generate shields by default, like how loader does with his M1
which actually isn't a bad idea now that i think about it. if they just put some sort of shield effect on any of his abilities, this would be just as hard, but actually doable even if it was a bad seed for it
velvet marlin
I appreciate hard challenges in the game, but the fact that this one is probably the most prone to RNG (weekly RNG at that) and that it's also so ridiculously hard compared to everything else just makes it a bit of a chore
stone edge
^
velvet marlin
Blackout? Ez.
Chunked? Ez.
Deicide? Ez.
ETHEREAL? REEE
I only need some Monster Logs and Ethereal
velvet marlin
Ooh when did that come out?
fading raft
like just now
velvet marlin
Heck ye, I'll give it a go
velvet marlin
ah tasty
fervent stag
You can even push the vagrant to ground :)
velvet marlin
What's the second boss?
robust dew
Overloadin Stone Titan is second boss
robust dew
How do you slam vagrant into wall as merc?
robust dew
Thanks, I'll see if i can get lucky
velvet marlin
Damn, I'm getting close
maiden dawn
Merc's alternate M2 also pushes creatures if it hits hard enough
velvet marlin
Anyone finding some good items besides from the 2x Topaz and Kjaro's
fading sparrow
yay. the first
velvet marlin
Noice
fading sparrow
will go to 100th soon
fading raft
i dont want to go through the pain of almost completing ethereal
fading sparrow
trial is just started right now so
fading raft
ill probably finish all the other challenges first
velvet marlin
Ye well now's the time to do Ethereal if you want it
Might be weeks until theres a good seed
fading raft
well there is also the fact that im extremely tired and physics is pounding my ass
velvet marlin
Fair
cyan stratus
ok i did the ethereal thing twice i'll upload a video
obtuse nexus
Nice
pearl eagle
Wait, you uploading to youtube? Instead of compressing it to hell and back?
cyan stratus
yea dude i gotta farm views
fading sparrow
cavz
stray moss
Thanks to you I just cleared my Merc ethereal, that was very helpful. Thank you Cabbage!
fervent stag
@robust dew the mechanic for slamming/pushing enemies is to shift inside their hitbox as far as I know but seems to be a bit inconsistent and a bit harder with vagrants compared to some other enemies. Just need it to be really close to the ground/terrain, so might need multiple times. Atleast you can start trying from there and see if it works
robust dew
@fervent stag thanks for the detailed answer, I'll keep that in mind. Ive seen it done, just gotta figure it out myself lol
fervent stag
Yea np, I dont want to claim it as facts, since I might be wrong but I'm also pretty sure it works like that xd
wary tinsel
These birds are some hot bull I will tell you what
The sheer number of runs ended by a stray bird hit
viscid fiber
Merc definitely looks a lot more doable this time around.
quick shoal
last one was really easy if you cheesed it with the metorite
Would love to see a video on this one with how to do it zero damage
solemn tendon
it's definitely easier
but it's the second fukin time taking damage at the end of the lightning titan
rip
surreal steeple
Thanks for the video Cabbage~
Got it on my like 9th or 10th try. Second stage was a breeze, just had to work on getting to 1st teleporter before a vulture spawned
cyan stratus
yea np
obtuse nexus
hopoo pls my completionist side is fighting with my physical body
I can't even tell why I care! It's just a skill on my least favorite character that's practically a downgrade to the original skill but I can't get myself to stop achievement hunting for it because it affects gameplay
steep locust
i feel ya, im incredibly close to 100%ing the current update and its exclusively merc skills and 2 mastery achievements + some monster/enviro logs left and ethereal is a big road block as of now
obtuse nexus
It just requires so much precision when you aren't getting boned by RNG. Sure, I could make a script or something that perfectly mimicked Cabbage's run, but...
I guess part of the point of the challenge is that it's something you have to strive for specifically and can't randomly get through luck. Except it's just inverted now and you can only get it if you're willing to grind the exact same area repeatedly for 5 hours etc etc etc
which is usually the point of Monsoon
steep locust
the only reason i pick on ethereal is because its based in a prismatic trial, which means its so much more rigid in how you are allowed to get it
in every other non-monsoon spec achievement you have the option of difficulty and whichever approach to completing a challenge you like
but some of those are still really hard
hard is good but ethereal feels super artificial which i think is why people dislike it so much
tough belfry
@robust dew go on top of it and dash down into it, you won't get results from other directions from my experience
steep locust
someone suggested making it "complete a prismatic trial in under x:xx" which i like the idea of
obtuse nexus
that's literally what trials are for, they're competitive speedruns
so that would make a lot more sense
tough belfry
merc sub 3 isn't possible some trials
obtuse nexus
One seed without a Brooch later.
tough belfry
it would still be waiting for rng
obtuse nexus
I mean it's meant to be a challenge, which it is absolutely succeeding at
steep locust
yeah but the difference between a challenge like piercing wind and ethereal is that ethereal has never been fun to shoot for in my experience
and theyr estensively the same exact challenge
obtuse nexus
buuuuut maybe it's discouraging people since it has a glaring obvious Loadout attachment and has really weird conditions surrounding it that make it abnormally difficult to acquire compared to other Skills
cyan stratus
ok, but this is easiest seed for the achievement
i did it twice in about 10 attempts, you cant lose once you kill 1st boss
obtuse nexus
I know and I'm sad because I'm pretty confident I won't get it
cyan stratus
tesla coil makes it easy
obtuse nexus
ohohhhhhhh but you can :(
steep locust
yeah im not saying this seed is bad but having to wait for such an easy seed to make the achievement any fun means its a bad achievement
cyan stratus
fun is subjective, i find challenging fun
obtuse nexus
argh, but this is challenge with no... give or take I guess
steep locust
so do i but unlocking the mastery skins was fun challenge
this is not the same feeling for me
obtuse nexus
I'm not progressing towards a goal, I either win or I don't and it's a gamble
steep locust
its like the difference between super meat boy and i wanna be the guy
theyre both super hard but only one is actually fun
steep locust
super meat boy
cyan stratus
disagree
steep locust
obtuse nexus
iirc meat boy and be the guy was for masochists only
cyan stratus
look at my pfp??
steep locust
oh
my logic is just that in guy the challenges dont feel fair
so the feeling of beating it is more like relief than actual satisfaction
but obviously thats subjective clearly
steep locust
i do think with the extensive number of complaints about ethereal im not wrong in thinking it should be different
cyan stratus
it should be different but not because it's too hard
because trials aren't supposed to be like this
obtuse nexus
I wouldn't know I accidentally stumble across masochism out of boredom
Yeah that. DS1's bosses do a good job of making you feel like your victory was because of you
DS3 just kinda feels like you had an anxiety attack and something else had a heart attack instead of you, even if the fight was easier
steep locust
i dont think anyone wants ethereal to be "easy"
they want it to be fun to try and get
obtuse nexus
Oh I want a fucking hard challenge, I just don't want a Merc skill hidden behind it!
cyan stratus
but like i dont get when people say that ethereal is hard
maybe i'm used to doing trials a bunch of times
but it's really just resetting until you get it
obtuse nexus
dude you did a frame perfect run that everyone else is copying
steep locust
lmao to be fair
obtuse nexus
YES
THAT IS PHYSICALLY PAINFUL FOR MOST PEOPLE
steep locust
part of risk of rain 2's charm is the variance in each run and replaying trials removes that element
cyan stratus
the hardest part about this challenge was finding the lines in the xml file to undo my merc ethereal achievement
steep locust
lmao
cyan stratus
took me about 30 minutes
obtuse nexus
Can't you do make new profile?
cyan stratus
but then you dont have the characters
obtuse nexus
right shit
cyan stratus
i did that and hacked the characters in, and the skills are locked behind something else which i dont know
that's why i had to do it twice lol
obtuse nexus
Yeah I tried to do the coward's way out and mod the XML file... They changed how it works from RoR1 and there's no relevant line of code in the file unless you've already unlocked it.
So here I am
cyan stratus
i mean it's literally 1 google search away, but do it legit
cyan stratus
yea this is what happens when you use bing
obtuse nexus
cyan stratus
hmm
obtuse nexus
RoR1 has an entire wiki page
obtuse nexus
go do that don't waste time on me you damn legend
tough belfry
@obtuse nexus if you just search ror2 all skills then like the 3rd result is a steam guide with all the codes
obtuse nexus
Damnit. Now I'm making myself look like a fool in another way!
yup that worked, just looked up the achievement and the skill and tossed it in. No more having a stroke over something my monkey brain can't convince itself to not worry about
cyan stratus
well i didnt manage to skip titan levelup but it'll have to do
someone can go beat me, it's possible to skip the titan getting more health
tepid lagoon
there is another easy etheral route that is opening the shop
2 shaped glass in shop and royal capacitor in s2
tough belfry
this vagrant is really weird to slam
half the time it goes into the wall half the time you go through the wall and half the time it doesn't even move
cyan stratus
yeah i literally 1shot it once and got a 1:10 pause, but it's really inconsistent
oh nice route, might be easier
winged totem
Do you need the alt m2 for that run to work?
tough belfry
no
winged totem
What's with the vagrant btw? Is it just glitched this seed?
velvet marlin
ALLOY VULTURES REEEE
kind path
Huh, there is a topaz brooch chest on first map
this may be doable
correction, 2 of them
thin timber
Pog
Now tell me none of the bosses are blazing or Horde of Many and I might actually give it a try
thin timber
Cool, I'll try it out once I get home then
kind path
Did some screenshots with item locations
for the first map
First two brooches are in the cave next to door and in chest a bit far away from the teleporter
Big boi chest contains glue
This terminal has rose buckler, leeching seed and kijaro band, its located in the big entrance to caverns, close to locked doors
This one is self explainatory, purple chest contains warbanner - there is also warbanner printer behind the wreckage, close to purple chest
This chest in dropdown under wreckage contains Energy Drink, later on there is a chest with leeching seed
There is also Equipment drone but i cant locate the barrel
Also, newt altar is here
Another big chest on the upper elevations contains lepton daisy
boreal rose
what is 2nd map of today's trial
obtuse nexus
Distant Roost
low barn
boreal rose
@obtuse nexus ty
obtuse nexus
Requires a lot of precision but Ethereal is doable
stray ember
Its rough. A gryphon spawn at the boss can lead to fail. Wisp spawns at the second boss can too if you don't dart off and deal with them for the shield. Give it a few trys (if you have enough coins) and im sure it'll happen. Farming it myself now
stray ember
Its in the log book im sure, i dunno, they look like gryphons. The guys who shoot the wind circles at you.
plush quest
The alloy vultures?
stray ember
Sure
hollow smelt
yeah that sounds like vultures
plush quest
Ahh he means Alloy Vultures, those shoots those wind disks
hollow smelt
I was like "is there a new creature I haven't seen yet??" lol
plush quest
Probs lel
hollow smelt
I'm still curious about the glue thing haha
stray ember
Oh i think he means chronobauble
hollow smelt
okay haha
stray ember
Honestly happy to be done with the challenge. I hope this type of challenge is not repeated. Im fine with prismatic trials, but without being hit? No. Too much luck, not enough challenge.
fading steppe
Honestly, I think it would be fine if it was a regular run "get to stage 2" or if every trial had a brooch on it. Making it so that people might have a disproportionately harder seed at random times isnt that fun.
I do really like the community routing though
obtuse nexus
Yeah the added community is great, maybe make some new speed-based items behind Prismatic challenges. Keepers Timepiece perhaps?
stable torrent
where is the tesla? or has somebody already said further up?
loud pond
it's in the chance shrine behind the teleporter
stable torrent
cool ty
tawdry torrent
so is the current one easy to do mercenary challenge with?
fading steppe
Pretty easy, yeah. 2 brooches on first level, and theres 2 glass in the bazaar. Plenty of routes above
obtuse nexus
Very easy by comparison
woven ginkgo
Ah, got the Merc achievement now with footage, I can die happily now
Even without the glass cheese everyone seems to be doing
cyan stratus
nah i have a video with the normal route
woven ginkgo
https://youtu.be/yn7kWmhAFVc well here's mine
Fully aware that I suck at this, that's why everyone really should do the trial this time
cyan stratus
why didn't you grab kjaro? it's free damage
woven ginkgo
I tried but then more than one vulture spawned each time
Same with trying to get the best altar, just took too long
cyan stratus
i don't think i've had a vulture spawn
if you go fast you avoid anything other than beetles spawn
woven ginkgo
Oh, so that's still random?
cyan stratus
no it's based on time
woven ginkgo
Ah, then
Well dealing with vultures while staying on the vagrant is just so annoying so I just did this
cyan stratus
you can also deal ~1.3k damage by sideslamming the vagrant into a stagaltite but i've only done it once
tough belfry
i had vultures reaching the teleporter at 50 seconds i think
woven ginkgo
Well, I wasn't going for efficiency, just getting that God damn achievement
tough belfry
i may be remembering wrong though 
cyan stratus
i reach tele at 44
watching my video at least
so like sub 45 and you're good with vultures
woven ginkgo
Would have been nice I guess if I found those example runs before finding a way myself
cyan stratus
but you did it yourself so you can be proud of that
tender merlin
i hate this challenge
tough belfry
ok
cyan stratus
ok
cyan stratus
you dont have to spend a single coin with my route
and idk which one is easier but you cant really lose at the 2nd stage
cyan stratus
that's what tesla coil is for
obtuse nexus
You need to activate the teleporter before 50s to avoid vultures
However two will spawn during the teleporter event if you're not efficient in disposing of the Vagrant
If you're lucky they will spawn above you but if the Vagrant wanders outside of the cave while you're standing on it they'll spawn in and lock on to you
If you don't have an ult up they'll chunk you and ruin your run, even after KOing the Vagrant
tender merlin
anyway to see if i take damage cause i want to reset whenever i take damage but there is 0 indication whenever i take like 1-2 damage
also where is that teslacoil at
woven ginkgo
In the chance shrine on stage 2 behind the tele
tough belfry
are you being fast enough to 1 shot dash wisps
tender merlin
nope
tough belfry
that is an issue
tender merlin
goodluck to those who manage to not quit the challenge and go to bed
viscid fiber
@woven ginkgo you didn’t touch the uke ok the first level I’m surprised
woven ginkgo
I didn't follow any guides, got all that myself and didn't even know of an uku
Just checked all chests on the direct path
viscid fiber
@woven ginkgo well that’s awesome and good for you
I watched your video and immediately forgot what you did and I kept going into the cave first lol
Practice practice practice.
fervent stag
I wish rex could push vagrants too 😦
slim lintel
rex doesnt need to, his m2 is more powerful
viscid fiber
Hey I made it past t first stage this time! Then I got hit...hands too shakey, taking a break lol
fervent stag
oh yeah but it would be cool tho, mostly I want to push around the alloy worship
rough orchid
did the challenge, no acheivement, feel ripped off
timid smelt
I did it three times today (successfully) before it finally showed up. I think if the barrier exactly hits your max hp from enemy damage then it considers it dropping below max. May need assistance in testing this theory, but was incredibly hard to pull off challenge wise. Ran to get Kjaros, the two Broaches, and If I was feeling dicey made some time to grab Ukelele, which helps dpsing the boss to get a few extra buffs to shields
ALSO did anyone else come across the problem of alloy vultures wind cutting through barrier and directly hurting health? I saw that happen multiple times in my near 50 attempts at Ethereal. Is this intended?
glossy beacon
Yeah, that happened once to me
wooden vortex
That makes sense because I believe health is a actually a decimal value that just rounds to an integer for display
That's why if you get really lucky you can have a boss on 0 health
tawdry copper
i've seen that before
and that makes sense now that you've said it
but. but why
fading steppe
I thought barrier provided Osp like guardian heart in ror1 did?
proper edge
have people made a route for this trial
tawdry copper
yes, search has:video in:prismatic-trials
proper edge
ah, danke schoen
finite glade
its 9/30....
slim lintel
pismatatical trials and tribulations last 3 days
silver swift
I'm having trouble with the Wandering Vagrant, getting it killed without getting hit.