was really nice bandoliers for days idk how I died
#prismatic-trials
slim lintel
cyan stratus
do you remember where the beetle spawned
slim lintel
are you really thinking about grinding that shiz
it spawned basically opposite of where vagrant spawns
cyan stratus
gotem
and no im not gonna grind a beetle but if i get the message i wanted to be prepared
slim lintel
ugh you ass I don't wanna fight vagrants again 
cyan stratus
lmao
just go get a 2:05 and i give up since that's literally impossible for mult
although i didn't get a golem boost or a crab bandolier so hmm
slim lintel
if only my m2's didnt get screwed on my run
slim lintel
flamethrower makes you move like a turtle, you'll die if you use it too much
prisma crest
What's best char for prismatic trials
drowsy jetty
mult/arti depending on trial
prisma crest
This week's trial
cyan stratus
oh interesting
i was wondering how you dont die, i guess there's no way to avoid dmg while using it?
also arti is best this trial
prisma crest
The one character I don't have
cyan stratus
well just play mult then
fastest legit time is with mult, but arti can get a faster time
slim lintel
arti is also basically luck if you beat either vagrant
cyan stratus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscl11h0NA4 rate my strat
desert solar
hey cabbage your a cherry
cyan stratus
at least you didnt say apple
swift ledge
hey cabbage your an apple
cyan stratus
no im not
swift ledge
mmmm
desert solar
you're a cherry i like cherries and at least cherries go with lots of things
hushed fox
is warbanner even necessary for that run
proven tapir
white frost
What if for the first vagrant fight you rush up to the bridge and drop on top of the vagrant
Idk how you'd realistically do it. Maybe somehow destroy another crystal and save one for a crystal jump
cyan stratus
and then what
cyan stratus
yea tell me how im gonna ram a jellyfish while standing on top of it
white frost
jeyllyfish are sloped on top, you'd stand on the curve I figure
empty rover
I tried rushing the bridge but it ends up not saving time because you can't attack the jelly while you swing around the bend, you have to just stand on the fallen stone pillar and manipulate the AI to come close enough
devout oar
what happens if you go through the blue portal on stage 2 on a trial
cyan stratus
same as regular teleporter
empty rover
it's just style points
serene forge
Overloading Magma Worm IS REAL and half of its health is a recharging shield.
also it tried to suck my pp.
im sober!!
clever tapir
I got 3:19 does anyone have a better time who can help me improve thanks!
slim lintel
@cyan stratus please don't make me do this trial again it's gonna make me break something
white quail
lol
wicked oak
well did 3:30 pretty good for me as a engenieer
slim lintel
yeah 3:30 is probably pretty good for engi
mild thicket
Yes you do
cyan stratus
nah not really
slim lintel
thank goodness
swift ledge
@cyan stratus you should do it because @slim lintel thinks you are an apple
cyan stratus
does he really
slim lintel
100% an apple
cyan stratus
wtf
prisma crest
what are those modifiers that appear on prismatic trials?
rich, and... meander?
i cant read what meander does.
cyan stratus
+50 gold and stages go in random order
cyan stratus
yes
prisma crest
o v e r l o a d i n g v a g r a n t
cyan stratus
hell yeah
prisma crest
wait what, i thought i could go to delta and get preon
cyan stratus
to what
prisma crest
?
cyan stratus
?
prisma crest
"to what"?
cyan stratus
"go to delta"
prisma crest
"and get preon"
cyan stratus
what is delta
prisma crest
dont play stupid
cyan stratus
wtf is a delta
drowsy jetty
🤔
toxic niche
i think he means the map rallypoint delta
cyan stratus
oh well sorry i dont have all the map names memorized, just say "snow map"
zenith plinth
If we could just get a <@&559786374228738069> to deal with this @trail violet guy above me? Thanks. ^-^
Much appreciated.
pearl eagle
Honestly, only thing I can offer is to try to stay away from wisps while fighting the vagrants and jump as much as possible when you are being targeted by enemies
iforgotwho might have some more tips that i don't know about, haven't played this much trial tbh
slim lintel
p sure arti can get 2:05 this trial but I'm not about to attempt that or even try to beat you, nice time
this trial can go burn in a toilet
pearl eagle
Agreed, is mostly luck whether you survive or not
slim lintel
luck and timing your M2's to hit the balls
shell folio
cyan stratus
by doing 1 level per minute
do you want a video
well you're getting one anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hscl11h0NA4&lc=z23xel5bioqxcx0bt04t1aokgo1iuu33ygol21ddfgunbk0h00410
slim lintel
fast
cyan stratus
btw mult ~2;05 is possible with bandolier rng, 2% chance of alt world boss spawning (closer to ap bullet 3d printer), and golem boost, along with a perfect s1 🙃
anyone wanna go for it?
cyan stratus
imagine playing arti when there's characters like mult you can play 
slim lintel
imagine playing mult when there's an egg mage 
toxic niche
well, i'm not good enough to copy your run tho
white frost
is this really worse than the bisons though
bisons made me question my life decisions
slim lintel
at least you can consistently live through bisons and actually attack them with your piddly little flamefarter
cyan stratus
its not worse than bisons
white frost
last I checked prismatics were about consistently killing things fast, not consistently surviving
slim lintel
You can't go fast if you're dead
honest oriole
You can't die if you go fast
vestal loom
cyan stratus
slim lintel
this trial seems pretty straight forward
cyan stratus
yea maybe if you dont explore the 1st map and didn't find the hidden preon
cold oracle
how do you "complete" a prismatic trial
cyan stratus
bash your head against the wall until the 'you won' message pops up
cold oracle
okay thanks
slim lintel
is there really a preon?
cyan stratus
that's for you to find out
it might've been a crowdfunder actually
same thing though
slim lintel
its a crowdfunder
white frost
@cold oracle you beat two stages, second stage has an Elite boss
Can be done in 2-20 minutes
cold oracle
kk
cold oracle
ugh so close to a 8 minuet
slim lintel
think this is gonna be the first sub 2 min trial in a while
I'm feelin' some 1:40-1:50's~
slim lintel
upper 1:40's will be possible I think
slim lintel
lmao
cyan stratus
feelsbadman
slim lintel
time to change my steam name to my twitch link 👀
cyan stratus
dude sub 2 is gonna be hard
cold oracle
devs:,ripping a fat line of coke, "what if we gave the boss an element, auto heal, and aimbot.
cyan stratus
wait, kill yourself is catching up to you
he's got 2:24 now monkaS
titan doesn't have auto heal if you just shoot him
slim lintel
my time was sloppy terrible routing
cold oracle
yeah just shoot him lol
cyan stratus
just get his hp to 0 dude lol
btw if your 2:16 was scuffed then mult is gonna be really bad
i felt like my 2:12 was pretty decent
cold oracle
HOW TF DO YOU GET A 2:12
cyan stratus
just go fast lol
cold oracle
looool
cyan stratus
just got a 2:10 but idk if i wanna make a video that isn't sub2 or w/e
slim lintel
idk I was just spittin out low numbers cause I didnt look for items, maybe sub 2 wont be a thing
cold oracle
howwwwwwww
cyan stratus
are you playing mult
slim lintel
play arti
cold oracle
no
cyan stratus
there's your problem
cold oracle
huntress
cyan stratus
yeah there you go
cold oracle
how is he good
cyan stratus
good luck getting sub 3min
drowsy jetty
🤖 🥚 are ur options in general
cyan stratus
idk if hud or not hud is faster
im getting consistent 2:10 with hud but it's a bit out of the way
white frost
MUL-T and Arti are a million leagues ahead in single-target DPS, that's why they've so far been the only survivors to get legit top ranks
Huntress and her 10 dps and her unreliable, long-cooldown other skills just don't have much to stand up with in comparison
cyan stratus
bandolier
white frost
yeah, you're gonna need a bando but that still puts you at RNG mercy and means you've gotta distribute your firepower on things that aren't the boss
cyan stratus
not with m2
cyan stratus
it bounces between boss and enemies
you literally wait until there's other enemies before using it
white frost
the closest enemy to the boss could have another enemy closer to it so glaive could just piss off somewhere
cyan stratus
so that it does more dmg
this is where i'd link my huntress run from a couple trials ago but i'm lazy
white frost
it's half a minute behind your MUL-T
I'm not saying she's Commando levels of bad at boss fights, but you'd have to get a lot of stars to align before she gets a top rank
cyan stratus
true
white frost
MUL-T and Arty compete for Sub 2 or close to it
cyan stratus
sub 2 is gonna be ridiculous
white frost
The rest try for Sub 3, and Commando prays for a Sub 4
cyan stratus
i take back peaking at 1:50
white frost
just in general it hovers around that area, but the levels themselves obviously skews that in many ways
(add 30-60 seconds if I'm playing the class)
cyan stratus
dude who is this "</>Le'sYouDie" guy
he plays mult and always gets a better time than my by about 10 seconds
so idk if he's a god or a cheater
last trial i think he got like a 2:03 so that's ridiculous
white frost
I bet his strategy is "look at Cabbage's time and deduct 10 seconds so I don't look like I'm cheating"
cyan stratus
lmao
well he's rank 1 with like a 1:56 or w.e so ggs
i'm gonna go upload a 2:06 i recorded b.c i'm too lazy to get a better time for now
is this pt14?
yea last one was 13
cyan stratus
that's a lot of items
cyan stratus
maybe you should grab like, your 2 favorite ones
cold oracle
im 46th on the leader board
cyan stratus
my favorites were backup mag and ocular hud
white frost
that'll change soon enough
cold oracle
backup mag is very useful
cyan stratus
lol im 2nd on the leaderboard, tomorrow i'm 500th
white frost
the 2-3 minuters start popping in around 30 hours after a new trial
cyan stratus
feelsbadman
white frost
oh hey trial has backup mag so there's hope for her
cold oracle
also for huntress you can just put your r move on a crystal and it will kill it by itself while you are doing other stuff
cyan stratus
i cant scroll
cold oracle
oh rip
white frost
yesterday I learned that the devs themselves refer to the skills as M1, M2, Shift, and R
cold oracle
white frost
By default?
cyan stratus
idk
cyan stratus
has anyone tried mult hud vs no hud yet
white frost
I'm on a pad so I don't know what anything is
The only bad thing about it is jump button is a face button, I can't aim well while spamming jump
considering swapping it out with the 4th skill
drowsy jetty
i use caps lock for sprinting get fucced nerds 👌 👌 👌 👌
cyan stratus
yikes
white frost
4th skill is always designed to be on an out-of-the-way button
cold oracle
wat
cyan stratus
nothing is out of the way for me
cold oracle
good luck next time you are searching something on google
slim lintel
i use stock controls
cyan stratus
wasd for move, shift for sprint, q for switch btwn modes, e for E, r for open chest
white frost
might make right click into something and put ping elsewhere, ping isn't crucial
cyan stratus
for mult of course
drowsy jetty
its real fun in quickplay when im trying to convince team to start the teleporter, and it comes out like "TELEPORTER PLS"
cold oracle
wow mult noobie
cyan stratus
wtf
at least i dont play some scuffed archer that doesn't have to aim and has long cooldowns so you can go take a sip of coffee while waiting for them
actual scuffed character
cold oracle
uhjk for move, 2 for sprint, ; for switch btwn modes, m for E, ] for open chest
kappa
cyan stratus
wouldn't be surprised if you had that setup, looking at your time (^:
cold oracle
woooooow
cyan stratus
gotem
cold oracle
that was my first trial okay
cyan stratus
same here
livid vine
fucking gottem
cyan stratus
im new to trials
cold oracle
that was a fat bruh moment
livid vine
by default Arti should have a crowbar for free kappa
cyan stratus
already has the highest dps, why tf it needs a crowbar
white frost
each fireball is already doing 420% blazeit damage
slim lintel
people always like to talk about that "highest dps" but dont like to talk about the fact its melee range on a slow ass character with no movement
livid vine
notice the "kappa" in that senstence
white frost
I don't really find Arti noticably slower than anyone else
cyan stratus
he's talking about arti's brain
white frost
like Slowmando's roll does jack for him
slim lintel
flamethrower slows you down, its a kill yourself button
cyan stratus
mentally slow
livid vine
think everyone except Multi has the same movement speed
drowsy jetty
no mult's ms is now the same, got nerfed
slim lintel
they nerfed mult he's like everyone else now
cyan stratus
despite the nerf mult is still #1 and #2 this trials
livid vine
^
cyan stratus
the #1 guy is my wingman don't worry about his hacked time
drowsy jetty
also slowmando's roll lets him access 17 newt altars w/o items. eggman can only get 12 altars xd
livid vine
lmao
drowsy jetty
merc and huntress can both get 18 altars
cyan stratus
wow you've actually done calculations lmao
drowsy jetty
yeah ive tested everything LUL
livid vine
whats with the altar flex?
drowsy jetty
tested on worst map rng possible, only altar commando can't access is the one at the top of snow map
drowsy jetty
what items r u picking up mr lion
cold oracle
crowbar, syringe, and the double clip or whatever it is called
white frost
Sub 4 should be realistic and within your reach, but I haven't actually tried the trial in question
cold oracle
the thing that gives you 2 second abilities
livid vine
mag
cold oracle
yeah
white frost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJeU6k1PnlE&list=PL3KMgG85C4TL7_jG8lhbr6o_rr8EE9E0B this is a 3:51 I had last month
it's on a different trial but I didn't have a bandolier or anything and first boss was Dunestrider
that tesla coil for second boss might've made an impact tho
cold oracle
imma try for a sub 4
white frost
I believe in you
cold oracle
thx
white frost
oh yeah something that might be interesting for people in this channel
Crits are currently bugged
If you crit, then proc, the proc do 4x damage
cyan stratus
@drowsy jetty i bet i can get the one at the top of snow map with commando
i already got it as commando once when the order shrine gave me 17 energy drinks
drowsy jetty
w/o items? be my guest
drowsy jetty
shit how come i didnt think of that
cyan stratus
also are golem boosts allowed
drowsy jetty
no > : (
cyan stratus
wow rigged
drowsy jetty
i mean you could also try for a vagrant and hope it flies up to it lul
i feel its definitely possible with a damage boost
drowsy jetty
imagine playing squishy character 🤖 🤖
cyan stratus
cyan stratus
cold oracle
anger
cyan stratus
drowsy jetty
"they said it wasn't possible" hmm
drowsy jetty
nice job tho. im too garbage to play anything other than merc
white frost
seeing you totally ignore that lunar coin is a bit admirable
can't get myself to do that even in good trial attempts
wooden vortex
its a bruh moment because im like 99% sure 58 seconds is impossible lmao
cold oracle
hacks
drowsy jetty
nah they built up speed for 54 seconds, entered a parallel universe, and exited into stage 2, telefragging the stone golem
cold oracle
watttttt
pearl eagle
So is Artificier or MUL-T best in this one?
wooden vortex
yeah looks that way
they're the best for most trials in general becuase they have the best range and dps
cyan stratus
lol @white frost you gotta ignore all distractions
pearl eagle
Usually one is better than the other depending on trial
wooden vortex
o i thought u said mul-t AND artificer lol
cyan stratus
mult is always best because you dont have to sacrifice your dignity to play him
white frost
but they're so shiny!
pearl eagle
Playing Arti is a lot more enjoyable than MUL-T tbh
But speed is everything, so you gotta do what you gotta do
drowsy jetty
do you lose dps from shiFting on merc?
white frost
blinding assault is 200% damage, so I think if you do it well it'll be a net gain
drowsy jetty
hm. i think it is faster, but it takes too much skill for me. even though i kept dashing out of m1 range i still saved 4 seconds overall
hitting the boss with ukelele from shift hitting nearby mobs must help too i think
@cyan stratus have u become commando rock climb god : ^ )
cyan stratus
havent tried
ok lemme try huntress for fun
wanna get a better time than that other guy
got a 3:15 is that good
cyan stratus
lol sorry idk what im doing on huntress
i dont know any strats i just kinda go for it
cold oracle
use the r move on a crystal
it will kill it without any interaction form you
so you can do other things
cyan stratus
yea i know that much im not stupid
cold oracle
are you tho
cold oracle
3:51
cyan stratus
uhhhh
cyan stratus
interesting
cold oracle
also what recording software do you use
cold oracle
okay cool
and yes I do
But I can do way faster by not picking up any items any can prob get a 3:30
any ways I have to get off so bye
cyan stratus
ok
merc is pretty fun too
but there's so many movement abilities i feel like i'm wasting time lol
livid vine
imma give it a go
slim lintel
What do you think we are? A bunch of nerds? No one gives a shit
ok yeah sub2 aint happenin'
livid vine
o great overloading titan
livid vine
can't wait to not dodge a lazer
slim lintel
I really want char leaderboards man, it'd keep these a lot more interesting if you could go for best times on mult-ple characters
slim lintel
btw on s2 hit that battle shrine on way to first crystal, seems to make it so a big beetle doesnt spawn during titan
slim lintel
anyone else using the crystal near the tele for free damage on titan?
livid vine
me
slim lintel
guess it'd kinda hard not to
cyan stratus
it's 35dmg
and if you dont want free ukelele dmg then sure, make the big beetle not spawn
livid vine
i can fight beetle in less then a 1 min
problem is fucking titain
like why does it have to be overloading
slim lintel
problem is arti sucks and if you flamethrower big beetle will hit you with his line aoe and knock you away to get lasered
slim lintel
ah ya sure I'll get right on that
livid vine
easier said then done
slim lintel
wonder how long 'til cat the bunny hops in here with the sub 2
slim lintel
hey its better than it was before
white frost
it's counting your gold and turning it into exp
yeah used to be we had to go frame-by-frame on recordings to know what our time was
if it wasn't a new personal best
livid vine
well gold shouldn't count towards your time on Trials, nobody gives a shit about gold is prism
waste of time
slim lintel
the gold converting takes milliseconds. Just don't kill anything after you hit the tele to leave
that delays it a ton
white frost
just how the game works
you can make the countdown shorter by hitting chests, turrets, anything before the boss fight
surviving that countdown isn't a given, either, I've had post-bossfight deaths
livid vine
shouldn't have that much delay
slim lintel
everyone gets it, not like its making things unfair
slim lintel
I mean thats arti in a nutshell
vocal rivet
Is there any reason to enter the celestial portal if im not necking
white frost
on stage 2 it's functionally identical to entering the teleporter
on stage 1 it'll change all the chests/spawns/possibly boss on stage 2
slim lintel
shit I think with lucky crits and a good stage1 you can do this with arti in 1:50 because you can kill titan before his HP jumps up from difficulty
1:58
primal swallow
I think I can get sub 2 with this route, but i'll get around to more tomorrow
https://youtu.be/aIqL6h6i-BA
cyan stratus
oh interesting i'll check that out to see what you're doing differently
im guessing you skip the hud
slim lintel
fuuuuuuuuu had him to 50 hp and his hp jumped up above 1000
would have been sub 1:50
slim lintel
yeah only got that close because paused s1 at 48s and got to second tele super fast. A single crit on s2 and sub 1:50 is there
also funfact: if you kill a small beetle with flamethrower while you're standing on it, it flings you in to the ground for absurd amounts of damage for some reason
primal swallow
yea I don't bother with hud, I think if I get godly crits, like 1 every crystal I could beat 2nd boss before the difficulty jump, but the chances of that are too small
slim lintel
I DID IT
1:48
crit flamethrower on beetle queen saved me a few seconds and then got 2 crit M1's and a crap ton of ukes on titan
that good enough for cabbage to join the arti gang?
zenith plinth
☭
slim lintel
just gotta kill 'em before he buffs up ez
slim lintel
p sure he levels up at 1:41-42
livid vine
well we know who's best Arti player
slim lintel
Ya, grats Keun
livid vine
lmao bruh i met you
slim lintel
I enjoy this trial, might try to get a 1:47~ on stream tomorrow so I can clip it
and prove legitness
pearl eagle
Just got a low 1:48 myself, so you best not feel safe just yet
slim lintel
have fun farmin' them crits :P
pearl eagle
Probably won't try for very long, got exams coming up
slim lintel
you use same route?
pearl eagle
Yeah
slim lintel
pearl eagle
You guys know how sometimes after landing you get this weird boost forward? I just got that after jumping off the cliff at the beginning, and I ended up right next to the first crystal you use to jump to the teleporter
slim lintel
Yeah I got that a couple times
pearl eagle
That's a huge possible time save, is it not?
But as far as we know it's completely random
slim lintel
yeah, that whole thing is impossible to make consistent though
pearl eagle
That actually kind of pisses me off
slim lintel
yeah
pearl eagle
I feel like there has got to be some way to manipulate it
white frost
That's why cabbage constantly jumps
slim lintel
tfw arti gang looks like cheaters
pearl eagle
Not our fault they refuse to try a better character
pearl eagle
Yeah, having some issues getting stage 1 boss fight consistant
Sometimes you just do a whole lot more damage
slim lintel
yeah its odd, sometimes queen dies way sooner than others
pearl eagle
Someone mentioned a proc bug further up that nobody paid a whole lot of attention to, so might be something like that
But can't really seem to replicate any of the high damage
slim lintel
that was something to do with crits
pearl eagle
ah right
Well then I'm completely clueless
Maybe we need to be effective about keeping the fire proc going at the higher numbers
Maybe sacrifice the M2 attack to keep it high
slim lintel
probably beetls/wisps eating some of our M1's without us noticing or something
pearl eagle
hmmm
slim lintel
sometimes the wasp add she spawns just eats an attack out of nowhere
because it spawns in you
pearl eagle
hmm true
pearl eagle
I think if you stand in them for some time you get a poison debuff or something
But don't quote me on that because I'm really uncertain myself
When you stand in it it gives you a slow debuff that stacks
I've been avoiding those guys in all my runs, but they honestly do jack shit lol
white frost
They reduce your damage output
If they are the "beetlejuice" debuff referred to in the Stat calculation code at least
It's in your best interest to stay out of their fields
I assume if you start a flamethrower or start charging a Nano inside of their bubble, it'll stay weakened even when you move out
pearl eagle
Then that is probably why some kills are a lot faster
white frost
Attack the queen, get beetle'd, attack the queen again and observe damage numbers
I'll check it myself in a bit
okay it's a damage debuff
it doesn't seem terribly big, I did 114 damage instead of 120
but, as long as you stay in the field the stack count keeps increasing
wiki says -5% damage per stack
at a 20 stack you'd be neutered
slim lintel
That...really needs to be conveyed better. I def thought it just slowed you down/reduced armor. It dropping your damage makes no sense
Just the fact prettymuch no one knows exactly what they do is kinda stupid
white frost
it's a bit like the frost elites
was no reason to give a dang about them before they froze you completely solid
toxic niche
someone explain to me why the time between activating the teleporter and teleporting varies between 7.5s and 13.5s...
drowsy jetty
if you're playing engi its gonna take even longer. killing enemies while the teleporter charges will delay it, as it will have to spend some time convert gold into exp.
if youre running engi, plop down your shield to block your own turret shots from hitting enemies
cyan stratus
ok :)
oops wrong channel
discord mobile sucks
anyone have sub 2 mult legit yet? idk if i feel like trying this trial or not
primal swallow
I've been trying a bit, still haven't even tied my 2:01.7, but that was with a miss on first crystal of s2. I think getting a good crit on a crystal could make it happen
cyan stratus
i havent tried after my 2:06 with the hud, idk just dont feel like it rn
slim lintel
got fried by the egg
primal swallow
just got 2 crits on crystals s1, and then s2 gives me greater wisps... why game
primal swallow
2:00.76 still no crystal crits
mint cedar
Jesus I got 14 minutes 😆
crystal marten
I'm down to 2:35 on artificier, any tips on pushing any further?
white frost
I think I wanna try a sub 2 on this one, the whole deal where you basically continously crystal jump through both stages looks like a lot of fun
crystal marten
thats hot
toxic niche
had a 2:08 on arti... doubt i'll beat iforgot
R.I.P huntress 😢
we have also confirmed that cabbage is his only friend (still more than me though lol)
slim lintel
only friend that still bothers with trials*
white frost
oh yeah
if I get better than 2:06 I would beat Cabbage's time
how much is left of this trial?
slim lintel
sub2 is kinda crit rng to get
crystal marten
sub 2 is doable without critting, just real hard
white frost
I dont think sub 2 is within my reach
but my run is very sloppy, I'm gonna beat 2:06
I'm fairly sure I can
Do you guys know that sprinting instantly deploys snapfreeze? it was new to me
zenith plinth
One thing I just figured out recently is that if you're arti, you can sprint immediately after firing your first m1 and run while firing the rest of your shots
white frost
I'm coming for you, Cabbage
drowsy jetty
damn that merc is fast asf somehow
or theyre just cheating :(((((
white frost
hm
I'm almost believing it because every crystal is in the path
but he'd have to get hella crits on the bosses
what's your merc time at?
drowsy jetty
??? im a literal bonobo dont ask me LUL
i just didnt think merc's time could be so close to the mults and the artis
white frost
CABAAAAAAAAAAAGE
slim lintel
cabbage ragequit this trial because mult can't even touch arti
white frost
shush
I don't care if it's a technicality, I just wanna say I beat Cabbage's time once
also this trial is pretty fun
white frost
yeah it was your run that made me pick up prismatics again
those jumps were beautiful
I was just gonna wait until June
white frost
is it normal that the teleporter is turned to a random oritentation?
cause wow, I wasn't expecting bad teleporter rotation RNG
I SEE YOU ALEKS
alright, my wrists are hurting I'm calling it here
crystal marten
how the fuck do people get sub 2 with commando
slim lintel
livid vine
lmao
primal swallow
after bashing my head against this for another 2 hours while im still convinced it's possible to MUL-T sub 2, it absolutely requires a crit on at least 2 crystals, haven't even come close to my time again
white frost
white frost
you should probably study iforgotwho's run, they've got 1:46 (1:45?)
slim lintel
It's a shame you can't use a mouse/kb. With how competitive you are with a controller I'd love to see what you could do
slim lintel
1:47
white frost
I watched the stream for a bit, it was pretty inspiring
I dunno that I'm competitive, but I saw a realistic shot at beating Cabbage's time and knew I couldn't pass it up
plus it really was a fun trial
slim lintel
competitive was maybe the wrong wording, competent? Like you get such good times with a controller it's actually insane
livid vine
seems like Cabbage is the reason alot of people go on trials
just so they can beat him
slim lintel
that poor apple
drowsy jetty
cherry
white frost
it'd be nice if I usually had a shot at him, but I just don't have time for these trials
only reason I had time for this one is 'cause I gave up sleep on favour of it, it's 6am
during the day I'm usually working or need to be around to help with the kid
so it's just gonna have to be you, bunny, cabbage and that fourth guy
slim lintel
Bunny's been busy lately too. I still miss Zunts idk what happened to them
white frost
hopefully June will bring good things
livid vine
how can you improve Prismatic Trials?
white frost
survivor specific boards
livid vine
true
crystal marten
that'd be sick yeah
white frost
but I'd also like to see more objectives and mutators, I'm sure it'll come
drowsy jetty
anyone interested in like a weekly or monthly trial, too, that goes for more stages ?
white frost
the crystals are pretty good, and I'm not sure what objectives I'd use in their stead
yeah that could be nice, too
3 day trials keeps things fresh but also a bit too transient, you don't really get enough time to really practice
slim lintel
Yeah a 4 stage trial that lasts a week would be cool or something along those lines
livid vine
how much RNG is in Trials?
slim lintel
depends on the trial
if theres a preon its all about the 1/100 1/10 crit chance
or the one trial where you had to get the small chance for the golem event
drowsy jetty
get the 1/100 preon crit while on the optimal world events 👌
crystal marten
some enemy behaviors seem random
slim lintel
🤢
drowsy jetty
teapot.jpg
white frost
yes, enemies spawn in random locations and behave randomly
the only things that are set is where all the chests and interactable are, and what they yield
even the teleporter can be rotated randomly
livid vine
and the bosses
white frost
mostly yes
the boss spawns in a set location, too, you can and should ambush them
another thing that is reproducible is which enemies will spawn and _when_they do it
but you need to end stage 1 at the same time to have the same enemies spawn for stage 2
crystal marten
also the beetle queens attack order in this trial seems set every time, but I get different attack orders out of the giant golem. Dunno why that is
also I once got greater wisps as second boss once, but that might have been a bug
white frost
yeah enemy AI is just as random as they can be
beetle queen is just dumb and predictable
but if you get different attacks out of titan you're fighting him wrong
he only has one attack: the ground slam
the laser is a non-factor as long as you stay close to him
and he'll always start the meteor spam at half health or so
crystal marten
ty, yeah I didn't know how the titan mechanics worked
white frost
me neither, learned it in this channel
stay basically within melee range, he'll never even try to laser
sometimes easier said than done
livid vine
line of sight
that meteor shit is kinda dumb since the attacks track you
and if he's elite well shit
white frost
yeah they're pretty ouch
best I can do for meteors is circle to avoid the rocks themselves and just eat the aftershock
gotta dps him to death first
slim lintel
the way the fist tracks if you're doing a circle strafe around him it will never hit you
livid vine
damage is something you can only pray and not miss or get that 1% crit depending on the run
idk if there is a rotation for Arti but if there is i like to see
drowsy jetty
rotation ?
livid vine
when it comes to using your abilities and managing cooldowns
or if its worth charging nanobomb
cause idk the exact time it takes for Nano to be 1200%
crystal marten
I've been doing shift->charge rmb->lmb spam->R->more rmb/lmb until shift and R again
white frost
the video above I accidentally followed my charged nanobomb with an uncharged nanobomb
it seemed to get good results, I could move on with flamethrower
thing is uncharged nano is 600% damage and charging takes a lot of time
if you had infinite ammo, you'd never use charged nano even once
but you can't always go uncharged nano or you'll find yourself with everything on cooldown
a little bro-tip I learned this run is that you can isntantly deploy snapfreeze with the sprint button, no need to wait for the animation
drowsy jetty
so, basically, the stacks system of m1 means you arent "losing" dps by charging m2 ?
white frost
I also hold the firebolt button when using nano/flamethrower so I get damage out the moment the skill is done
yeah pretty much what they're there for
if you had infinite firebolt you'd never want to charge nano
you'd want to get it out and get back to firebolt spam
assuming, of course, firebolt got nerfed enough that it'd be worth even touching nanobomb
and not so nerfed that they wouldn't be worth using at all
livid vine
how long does burn duration is up
white frost
uh not sure
but it's 8 ticks for 25% damage
firebolt itself is also 220% damage, so add it all up each bolt is 420%
livid vine
cause i need to know whether to restart the duration with Flamethrower or keep using other abilities
white frost
I try not to top up on flame bolt because they're low-key your best DPS
but I think you wanna use flamethrower basically as soon as you can
flamethrower lasts 3 seconds, then takes 5 to go off CD
in theory an ideal rotation is 8 seconds?
pearl eagle
Saw you guys talking about the titan AI, if you are struggling with the meteor attack you can wait for him to start his fist attack before damaging him. That way he will be busy doing a different animation and can't begin his meteor charge up
This was a really useful strat when we had the trial with a blazing titan on stage 2 pre blazing nerf
pearl eagle
2:19 is pretty good man
livid vine
so don't damage the titan until he does fist?
white frost
that's around half health
I could swear titan is perfectly capable of using all 3 of his attacks all at once, but if you say he can't I'll believe you
pearl eagle
He only does one at a time
white frost
I guess I've noticed when he starts summoning the meteors, he enters this big bombastic animation where he's largely harmless
livid vine
laser isn't an issue if he can't see you
pearl eagle
In trial 6 or 7 this was really useful
laser isn't an issue as long as you are close enough to titan
I can probably find an example if you guys want
pearl eagle
You basically just have to get the kill before the difficulty spike
ripe lantern
Cat has quite a margin compared to the others
pearl eagle
And a crit probably, then you are good to go
white frost
yeahhh, there should reasonably be more people between us
pearl eagle
Defeat boss before 1:41 and you save like 15 sec
white frost
just not enough people playing at that level
pearl eagle
That's the only reason I'm that far ahead
white frost
and probably half the people between us are hackers too
primal swallow
afaik the only ones who aren't are myself and "Mercenary"
Layfoo possibly too but idk
white frost
what, no faith in the 1:53 Commando?
primal swallow
nope
livid vine
@pearl eagle even if titian was in the fist animation its meteor still attacks me
white frost
mathematically speaking , Commando needs a minimum of 25 seconds to kill just beetle queen
pearl eagle
There's an animation before he calls the thing above his shoulder
The thing above his shoulder does the meteor attacks while he does his own stuff
white frost
yeah idea is to postpone the animation where he summons it in the first place
pearl eagle
Before the point where he calls the thing, you want him to do his fist animation
I'm looking for my video where i use it in a trial
livid vine
so don't damage him when he summons that thing
pearl eagle
You want to figure out at what health he does it
livid vine
half health i assume
white frost
it's half I'm pretty sure
pearl eagle
Probably
Then instead of bringing him under half health, you wait for him to do a fist attack
When he starts the attack, you begin attacking
That way you will get a whole fist attack animation worth of time without the meteor up
livid vine
it seems like it will always summon meteors once he reaches half health
white frost
yeah, but he won't cancel his fist animation to do it
drowsy jetty
meteors? the thing at their shoulder ?
pearl eagle
Yeah
livid vine
idk how im suppose to let him use fist without dropping dps or time
pearl eagle
That's the problem with that strat
It's slow. So you won't be able to do it and not lose time
white frost
unless he somehow does it in the time it takes you to charge a nano
pearl eagle
Only time it was handy was one trial where we had pre-nerf blazing titan, where you would simply die to the meteor if you didn't kill it fast enough, which you simply couldn't do without getting some lucky crits
white frost
is that the one I did with Huntress
pearl eagle
That strat made it easier to survive the meteor because we delayed it's charge up some seconds
Don't know
I remember running the trial, but don't have any videos of it
white frost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJeU6k1PnlE yeah 6th trial
pearl eagle
So it was probably about 2-3 weeks ago
white frost
blazing titan
pearl eagle
Yeah that's probably the one
pearl eagle
Trying to do that super fast as MUL-T was impossible, simply because you had no way to survive without any items
Don't think anybody used the strat because I found it in like the last 6 hours or so I believe
Just lost a wr because of the meteor blowing me sky high 😦
white frost
ow
pearl eagle
Still unable to make the beetle queen fight consistant, and it's starting to piss me off
It's like, sometimes I'm short of 100 damage before the boss is dead when it should already be dead. Something is different between some runs and I have no clue what
Yeah, so I just beat wr by a second
livid vine
what do you mean?
pearl eagle
Wait, you're telling me the flamethrower doesn't proc the same amount of times?
My run, just so it's out there (old WR btw)
Also gotta get in that plug
slim lintel
shit, grats
livid vine
Flamethrower is suppose to just stack up burn not proc
ignite can go up to 21 ticks
thats with flamethrower
pearl eagle
It would seem weird atleast if it wasn't consistant
livid vine
flamebolt is 2 ticks per sec
4 flamebolts should equal to 8 ticks per second
Flamethrower is 3 seconds with a total of 21 ticks
pearl eagle
But the damage from the ticks stack
slim lintel
jesus that 46s pause on s1, best I've gotten is 47~
pearl eagle
Crits my man
livid vine
right the ticks should stack
livid vine
the ignite is 50% damage
what i don't get is why is flamethrower proc based instead of stacking
@white frost you sure its RNG?
white frost
it's not instead of
the procs stack
I haven't tested if the flamethrower ignite is identical to flame bolt ignite, however
but if they are, one less proc is 200% less damage
white frost
I don't think all 21 hits proc, that'd be crazy
that'd be 4200% damage from the burn alone
livid vine
but its not suppose to be a chance ability
livid vine
the ignite should keep stacking to the cap and then any more would reset the timer
but ignite being only a chance to proc means there is RNG in Arti's kit
which is awfull
white frost
I guess that is fairly unique, huh
I'd test it myself but I'm working
do you wanna try getting just one flamethrower hit in on something a few times and see if it catches fire every time?
in my experience they don't
livid vine
imma try a boss and see
my highest tick was 30, lowest was 20
thats level 1 flame thrower
livid vine
whats 50% damage as a flat number?
cause when i put 1 stack of ignite it is 3
and as the stacks go up it goes up 3 per stack'
21 x 3= 63
why is it not doing 63?
livid vine
no cause i flamethrower a mob and quickly got rid of it and 1 stack is 3 damage
white frost
Artificer's Fire Bolt and Flamethrower,[2] equal to character damage, applied for 8 * Proc Coefficient ticks. Can not exceed 5% max health per tick per stack.
the wiki page also specifies that the ignite for flamethrower is chance based, but exact chance is unknown
it's known that the chance is increased with Clover
livid vine
wtf
so Ignite is RNG
why would they but rng into a characters kit
at least tell us
white frost
but 25% damage should cleanly map to 3 if you're level 1
livid vine
is it not 50%
white frost
wiki says 25% damage for 8 ticks
so each time you proc that's 200% damage
if you had a tick of 30, that means you got 10 stacks built up
it's also possible that the stacks have a limit, like you say, and that the limit is 10
livid vine
why is ignite not a flat 50%?
white frost
but my experience and this wiki with datamined info says RNG
I dunno? Ask the game designers?
Arty used to have a lower proc coefficient
at that time the burn only did 2 ticks, but amount of ticks is based on proc coefficient
that was for bolts, but flamethrower was always 1.0
Where are you getting 50% from?
livid vine
Fandom wiki
white frost
"Deals damage 22 times. Each hit deals 100% damage, has a Proc Coefficient of 1 and half of them will set the target on fire"
livid vine
my bad wrong version
white frost
firstly I'm pretty sure it's 21 times
and "half of them will set the target on fire" sounds about right
50% chance is pretty close to getting a 10-stack
could be a 10-stack, could be a 12-stack
with just one clover you'd have a 75% chance
livid vine
shouldn't proc coefficient only affect items?
white frost
evidently not
the proc buff was a huge damage gain on firebolt
wisps used to be a twoshot, now they're a oneshot
I don't know how many firebolts beetles used to eat, but now it's 2
livid vine
i just feel like Ignite shouldn't be rng with Arti's kit
white frost
I don't disagree
just making it guaranteed would add an extra 2100% damage to the cast, it'd have to come with a nerf of some kind
livid vine
if it was gonna be RNG at least tell me in the tooltips
cyan stratus
came back to do 1 run just for you
white frost
Aw
You care
So reviewing my video, I had burn ticks up to 47 damage
I threw 4 fireballs first, but that still leaves 39 damage or 13 procs from the flamethrower
toxic niche
if that only took you 1 try then you're a cheat urself
cyan stratus
what
scenic wasp
LOL
livid vine
jeez we pointing fingers already
pearl eagle
👆
scenic wasp
Prismatic leaderboard Wild
ionic carbon
how do you tell if you are in the top 10% in the trials?
white frost
I was ahead of his time by like a second or two, if Cabbage says it took just one more try to beat me right back I'll take his word for it
I think top 10% of the trials have pink rank numbers
toxic niche
that's like saying you can pretty much replicate the same run every time you try
white frost
in my experience Cabbage needs 5 minutes to set times I can't beat in 5 hours
I'm still re-beating that time later, though
no way I'm giving up now that I have a survivor advantage
or survivor handicap, more accurately
very sporting of him tbh
toxic niche
it was ment as a compliment btw, it's like saying shroud is a cheat (cuz he's far too good)
i guess ppl read cheater, but i clearly said cheat
slim lintel
I wanna beat bunny but I gave up, couldn't even get beetle queen to die in a timely manner and 20~ runs next to no crits
wicked oak
you all under 2min when 2:41 is pretty good for me x)
crystal marten
just got overloading beetle queen as second boss
white frost
Did you get a beetle only world event
crystal marten
I didn't know that was a possibility
wicked oak
jezz fells bad
toxic niche
I had the pop up for world event, but it was still overloading titan
crystal marten
Is a world event possibly faster?
slim lintel
yeah, but it's not worth your sanity for something that would get wiped away in a couple days
white frost
ugh
got my crit flamethrower on titan and proceeded to fuck it up
looks like I'm gonna have to beat cabbage's time with hard work instead
main cipher
Just how many crits need to line up for an optimal run of this, exactly?
Also the name above me is cute and good.
mossy spruce
Do people grab any items for these Prismatic Trial times? Or just head straight to tele with the most optimal crystal path?
I suppose you could explore a little and find good spawns and see if they're worth the distance?
slim lintel
Generally skip items unless its a preon/capacitor or easily obtainable/important
You only need a couple crits or so to get a sub 1:50
slim lintel
o man zeddy gonna have to whip out that sub 2 in 15 mins
cyan stratus
wow, is 3 preons a record for a single map?
slim lintel
Yeah I could tell just from the first stage mult was king on this one, then you can get 2 preons rip arti this trial
cyan stratus
drowsy jetty
whenever i see that emote it always looks like mult is flexing
cyan stratus
flexing on all you eggheads
drowsy jetty
excuse me, i play merc > : ( which is even slower
cyan stratus
i tried merc once last trial and got a 3:06 and gave up lol
merc is useless for trials
cyan stratus
but merc requires probably the most skill?
slim lintel
ugh I hope those 🅱lazing 🅱ison were just because I was slow
cyan stratus
you gotta chain the movement abilities
drowsy jetty
yeah but at least i dont have to aim shit
cyan stratus
b...b..blazing bison?
raw meteor
Chain this
drowsy jetty
i dont have to lrn to crystal jump either
cyan stratus
does scythe increase crit rate
slim lintel
first one increases crit rate by 5%
cyan stratus
wait i was still exploring the 1st map when i said there were 3 preons
was i actually right
slim lintel
I mean there's at least 2 preons on stage2
snow map and blazing bisons
trash tier trial
cyan stratus
goes well with arti, trash tier character
slim lintel
👌
slim lintel
something like that this is booty, at least you get 2 preons
Gee bill, your character lets you have TWO preons?!
sub 3m goml
slim lintel
I swear I play a lot of the base game and I never see bison bosses. Why are there so many in PT
idk how arti is beating mult on a trial with a lot of running distance and lack of an extra preon
even with execute
I think the real winning strat this trial is to just not even bother
slim lintel
ok I think I found your strat, these bison are actually p easy to group
cyan stratus
i'll tell you my secret if you tell me yours
slim lintel
I'll show you mine, if you show me yours first
drowsy jetty
ah, snow map is second stage ?
cyan stratus
the bisons are elites (^:
slim lintel
oic
drowsy jetty
perfect
slim lintel
I dont think that helps at all tho
cyan stratus
egghead
slim lintel
since the preon + wall if they're grouped kills them all
drowsy jetty
lol is brainstalks worth
slim lintel
prob not, but that's an interesting idea
cyan stratus
it is 100%
slim lintel
considering how much time it adds to s1 to pick it up instead of using the dank crystal jump I'm using I highly doubt
cyan stratus
so how are you grouping the bisons
slim lintel
o look a huntress got sub 1min
cyan stratus
just got a crit preon but one of the bisons decided to just not get aggro'd
tell me
slim lintel
idk how to explain