#prismatic-trials | Risk of Rain | Page 43

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:37 AM

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idk how steam works, tell me if you can see something

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 3:38 AM

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ya I can see

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:39 AM

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it's not supposed to do that

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 3:41 AM

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oh you said go 90 degrees to the right thats left bruh

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thats makes more sense

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:42 AM

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yea i was going from memory

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who is Bluegamer4? keeps improving his mult time

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 3:42 AM

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alright thanks I'll try that

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no clue

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:42 AM

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but yea idk what route you were doing because all those crystals were on the way

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 3:42 AM

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I think the thing arti can't do may be good for mult

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you could hit the snipes

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:43 AM

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?

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 3:49 AM

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Hi im Bluegamer4

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not trolling I promise

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:53 AM

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ok

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 3:55 AM

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just can't get this imp to not spawn on the boss, or maybe it's TPing to me, idk

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 3:55 AM

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just got overloading imps as boss whats that mean

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slow?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 3:58 AM

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uhhhhh

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idk what that means

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i got wisps at 14min

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 4:00 AM

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did you get any special text?

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 4:00 AM

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are there any arti's on the leaderboard?

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no, no special text

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:01 AM

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not that i can see

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not surprising though, who plays that character lmao

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 4:03 AM

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I think its more of you cant use flamethrower on wisps

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your main dps just gets you killed 1shot

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 4:04 AM

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cabbage have you been getting armor-pierce at the start?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:04 AM

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no

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i just got a 2:03 pace but died to the wisps

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just gotta get a 1/100 crit preon again 🙃

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 4:05 AM

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yeah with preon its possible but I don't have to patience to do a duneshitter without preon

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:26 AM

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i got a 2:33 with arti

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and you know i dont play arti

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i had to drink some coffee for the occasion and still almost fell asleep

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 4:27 AM

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did you preon dune or wisps

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:27 AM

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wisps

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i die 90% of the time to wisps as mult so im not boutta try with arti

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 4:56 AM

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got a 1:16 s1, and then missed preon on wisps, fml

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:57 AM

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1:16? what's your dune killing strat?

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lowest i got without preon was 1:07 with crit preon

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wait that made absolutely no sense

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lowest i got with preon*

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 4:58 AM

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for that one I just shot it to ~530 hp and waited for it to go up

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for some reason it delayed going up until then

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 4:59 AM

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it always goes up once first right?

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then you have to wait a bit when it's at 525 until it goes up 2nd

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 5:01 AM

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yea, normally for me it's bombs for a few seconds then it goes up, and is back down right when I use 2nd round of shift/M2

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that time I got my 2nd round of that off before it went up

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:02 AM

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hmmm

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yeah i've messed around with its ai

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when it goes up is dependent on what altitude you were on when it spawned (??)

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try activating the teleporter, and then standing behind it

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it just doesn't go up

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did you say 1:17 for s2? that's ridiculous without preon

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lowest i'm getting is 1:19

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 5:15 AM

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1:16 yea, I didn't have to wait more than like 1s for it to go up after getting it to 530 since it delayed it's first up for unknown reasons

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 5:17 AM

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best I got s1 with preon was 0:58

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idk what I could get without because duneboi doesnt cooperate

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:17 AM

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aaaa i was on 2:12 pace

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on top of teleporter when last wisp died

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yeah kel i just got the thing you were talking about, 1:10 out of s1 that's ridiculous

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:36 AM

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i found out how to do the manipulation i think

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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hmm?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:37 AM

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to make dunestrider wait a bit before going up

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yes it works

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i don't know why, but it works

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 5:40 AM

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how?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:40 AM

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uhhhhh

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yeah see here's the thing
it's really hard to explain

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it's actually pretty consistent though

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let me see if i can get a video recording

slim lintel Apr 30, 2019, 5:43 AM

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yes pls I don't want to be dunegated from trials anymore

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:44 AM

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basically you go to high ground when it spawns, don't shoot, and then charge at it

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miraculously survive the bombs until it goes up and then you should be able to have done enough dps

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 5:47 AM

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damn, just got it after getting a crit on one of the crystals, killed boss at 1:08 but wasn't near TP and other mobs got me

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 5:57 AM

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Dunestrider is easy just play engineer lol

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I swear by my turret tactic

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:58 AM

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do you know when/why dunestrider goes up?

zenith plinth Apr 30, 2019, 5:58 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/kristen-bell-nah-mmmmno-gif-5508321

Tenor

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lost me at play engineer

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 5:58 AM

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Naw, but I heard you can make him by going up yourself. Wasn't that tactic invented here?

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Does the trial have any hopoo feathers?

zenith plinth Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 AM

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idk the only dunestrider was in 9 or 10 i think where the stage 2 boss was a blazing one and u could make that guy just shoot past you

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 AM

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no it doesn't

zenith plinth Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 AM

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the only one i bashed my head against the wall on anyway

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 AM

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the dunestrider is ridiculously busted in terms of ai

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i have some very scuffed strat that works sometimes to make it not do a thing it shouldn't be doing in the first place

zenith plinth Apr 30, 2019, 5:59 AM

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id have a hard time imagining every boss in the game doesnt have exploitable AI

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Shame. Wisps are trivial to flamethrower if you have a hopoo

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They just can't hit you at all if you're mid air it's probably the easiest enemy in the game to flamethrower

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Without hopoo you need to time your jump a bit but they have mad telegraphs

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Talking about greater wisps here

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 6:01 AM

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alright i know everyone here was very excited for my strat but it doesn't work in practice

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you dont have enough damage to kill it before it goes and heals

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because the strat relies on not shooting at the start

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 6:02 AM

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I wonder if going far enough away that he doesn't bother doing the attack is a time save

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I could see it working for Arty but rebar is kind of mediocre dps

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 6:03 AM

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not at mediocre as your engi gameplay

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 6:04 AM

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I deserve that

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 6:13 AM

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whenever i get a fast s2 the wisps dont spawn together for the preon

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 6:32 AM

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ok im too tired to keep trying, all i know is that you have to wait a bit before shooting the dunestrider and hopefully it waits long enough before going up

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 3:42 PM

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white frost Apr 30, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Is there a new trial now

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Oh yeah there is

pulsar thunder Apr 30, 2019, 4:59 PM

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Any tips on beating the current trial, im kinda new to the game and would like the achievement

hallow skiff Apr 30, 2019, 5:01 PM

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you can take your time and collect everything if you want for the achievement.

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you don't need to get a high score or anything

pulsar thunder Apr 30, 2019, 5:02 PM

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no good items besides the fuel and the 2 stickies on the first map

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i just die to the dune strider all the time

pulsar thunder Apr 30, 2019, 5:24 PM

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6:44 rank 308 lmao

hallow skiff Apr 30, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Nice!
Congrats on the unlock!

pulsar thunder Apr 30, 2019, 5:41 PM

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ty, did it on engineer tho

pale ocean Apr 30, 2019, 6:05 PM

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Engineer is the best way to do it so dont discredit yourself

coral elk Apr 30, 2019, 6:06 PM

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how are people getting 45 seconds with huntress?

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are they hacking

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 6:06 PM

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i'm almost positive anything under 2 min is hacked

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even with huntress's dash just running alone takes more time than 45s

coral elk Apr 30, 2019, 6:07 PM

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yeah i cant even kill first stage in 45

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my best time is 2:35 rank 49

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and now im burnt

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 6:09 PM

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yea, it gets to that point

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would be nice to have a better indicator of rank while not cheating

coral elk Apr 30, 2019, 6:11 PM

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that too..

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did they address the cheaters>

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 6:12 PM

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don't think so, and probably won't unless they actually decide to give a reward to top 10%

white frost Apr 30, 2019, 6:27 PM

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First map has a preon accumulator but maybe it's implied you already picked that up

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 7:00 PM

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yea any time it's snow map preon is gonna be used

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 7:41 PM

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they did address the cheaters

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said there's nothing they can do in the foreseeable future, something about steam leaderboards

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 10:17 PM

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what happened to the leaderboard? it's giving me the "you must complete a prismatic trial to see the time of other users" message, and acting as if i haven't completed it yet

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anyone else have the same bug?

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nevermind it's fixed

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 10:49 PM

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pog

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wind geyser Apr 30, 2019, 10:56 PM

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Sheer curiosity, how many of you guys bother with this outside of the challenge linked with this? I personally dont care for it as its the opposite of my own playstyle.

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 10:56 PM

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i bother

waxen steppe Apr 30, 2019, 10:57 PM

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i bother

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where's the fuel cell lads?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 11:00 PM

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somewhere in s2 but don't use it

waxen steppe Apr 30, 2019, 11:02 PM

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oh its not in s1?

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 11:02 PM

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no

waxen steppe Apr 30, 2019, 11:03 PM

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oh ok misread an earlier message

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@cyan stratus I'll @ you again when I see you on the scoreboard 1sec

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 11:03 PM

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?

primal swallow Apr 30, 2019, 11:37 PM

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damn, now I think my route just sucks

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pretty sure I can't get lower than 2:10 with mine

cyan stratus Apr 30, 2019, 11:52 PM

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i mean there's really no variances that you can have in your route unless you go pick up some random item

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it's just go to the teleporter after grabbing preon

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i wish i recorded my 2:05, can't really replicate it, but i got the late dunestrider attack again for a 1:10 s1

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 12:10 AM

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ok how the hell do you get duneshitter to go back up? I just waited a full minute with him at 600~ hp jumping up and down and shit and he just stayed ground level

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 12:18 AM

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i dont understand the ai. i've recorded a ton of attempts and even if i virtually do the exact same thing twice he does different things

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i think it has either something to do with height, how much health it has, or how far you are away from it

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 12:20 AM

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Mm I finally got a no preon kill on dune but I don't think arti can remotely touch mult time on this one

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sloppy wisps but was still gonna be 2:25~

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somehow died after hit tele probably from burn

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 12:21 AM

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yea i dont think arti really works that well for this one

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 12:21 AM

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didnt you say when it first came out arti was gonna be great

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if second boss was a titan or something or golems/imps that you could execute so you could use preon on dune maybe

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 12:25 AM

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i thought arti could execute the wisps

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 12:44 AM

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nah, IF you can get ice wall to hit them (good luck) it wil do 100% damage and thats it, no freezing or anything

primal swallow May 1, 2019, 12:54 AM

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I think my crystal route is slow, i've been getting the one on the stairs next to the portal at the start, then the 2 between the building things after grabbing preon

livid vine May 1, 2019, 12:55 AM

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yea crystal is pretty tough with Arti, imma still try it though

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:10 AM

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@primal swallow walk forward towards ramp up preon and kill 1st crystal, exit and go right, turn kill crystal while walking towards third, crystal boost off towards tp

primal swallow May 1, 2019, 1:11 AM

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That's pretty much what i've been doing, activating Tp around 39

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:12 AM

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39 sounds really late

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yea i activate no later than 35

primal swallow May 1, 2019, 1:16 AM

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hmm, i'm usually killing last crystal around 35

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 1:19 AM

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best I can get to tp as arti is 39

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:20 AM

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i think i can get faster if we include the time it takes to quit and switch to a real character MULT

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 1:21 AM

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tfw mult is always good while artificer is just sometimes ok

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:21 AM

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nah on those horde trials mult was a full 20sec behind arti

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 1:22 AM

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thats why just sometimes ok

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they like giving us vagrants/duneslayers/titans/wisps for the most part

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:23 AM

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i'm still pretty sure the seeds are random, idk why people talk about them 'purposefully' giving us stuff

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also i found a cloaked chest that might help arti (^:

white frost May 1, 2019, 1:24 AM

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sometimes those seeds feel handpicked

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remember the first trial had a 3d printer for fireworks?

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:24 AM

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i wasn't around for the 1st

white frost May 1, 2019, 1:24 AM

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what's the reward for3d printing the same thing 7 times?

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it's fireworks

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guess where I unlocked it

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:25 AM

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oh

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i mean that could just be coincidence idk

white frost May 1, 2019, 1:25 AM

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that radar scanner/cloaked chest trial felt like a hand was involved too but that would mean they meant for critpreon

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:25 AM

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i doubt they care enough about the trials to handpick one for us each time, and if they do they've done a pretty bad job of it (^:

white frost May 1, 2019, 1:26 AM

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probably is, humans like to find patterns where none exist

livid vine May 1, 2019, 1:34 AM

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this is rough

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im only 4.37.16 with Arti

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 1:40 AM

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they should remove the timed chest on snow map in trials, I lose a lot of motivation when I startup a trial for the first time and see snow map

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 1:44 AM

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but you literally couldn't beat this trial without preon as arti

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how would you beat the wisps

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 1:53 AM

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switch characters or not bother at all

livid vine May 1, 2019, 1:56 AM

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its possible to do just difficult

white frost May 1, 2019, 2:06 AM

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I think preon will become less of a thing as more maps get added

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and then it'll be like

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"ohey the snow map, how rare"

waxen steppe May 1, 2019, 2:11 AM

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any videos of a sub230 yet?

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 2:22 AM

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i recorded my 2:16 but forgot to record my 2:05

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but it's basically just go fast

livid vine May 1, 2019, 2:23 AM

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im just trying to beat it with Arti

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 2:39 AM

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arti around 2:20 is possible but I'm kinda sick of trying/dealing with duneboi

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:00 AM

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4:14.05

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as Arti

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:00 AM

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nice

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did you preon the wisps?

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:01 AM

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i save proen for big wisp yea

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:01 AM

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you can 1shot both of the blazing ones at the same time, plus get a bunch of aoe on the overloading wisps btw

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:01 AM

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yea just need to not waste to much time on the snow level

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:02 AM

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fastest arti time i managed to get was a 2:33, but i'm sure faster is possible pretty easily

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i like mult better though MULT MULT MULT

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:02 AM

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i mean multi is just good

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right now it seems Engi is doing well

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:03 AM

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i think mult is best though

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would be very hard to beat with engi

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:34 AM

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here is video https://youtu.be/K52bkoeq1xg

YouTube

Cabbage

Risk of Rain 2 - Prismatic Trial #12: 2:01.16 (MUL-T)

i dont know how dunestrider ai works, but the fastest way to kill him is when he waits a while before going up, and since he can't do his heal thing while he...

▶ Play video

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:38 AM

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i wish i was that good

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:40 AM

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its just good dunestrider rng

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if you do the exact same thing i do in the video the dunestrider probably won't cooperate

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i have no idea how the ai works, literally just feels random

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 3:45 AM

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all the AI in this game is wack

livid vine May 1, 2019, 3:46 AM

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yea i give up this mode clearly needs more improvments

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 3:46 AM

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yea like the wisps either aggro or don't, and then just drift apart that's why i preon them as they spawn

proven horizon May 1, 2019, 12:13 PM

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That was a really clean run, im still trying to get that sub 4min haha

empty rover May 1, 2019, 8:53 PM

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GUESS WHO GOT THE MUFUCKIN WEED NUMBER

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A couple of people

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but I was the closest to getting 4:20.69

dim knoll May 1, 2019, 9:16 PM

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you should have waited an extra .02 seconds

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.04 seconds. my bad

empty rover May 1, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Ikr

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getting first place doesn't matter

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getting the best time does

hybrid ruin May 1, 2019, 9:38 PM

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everyone goes engineer lol

empty rover May 1, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Yeah seriously

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It's like that meme where there's a chick on a sofa surrounded by dudes

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Except Artificer is the chick and all the dudes are Engi

slim lintel May 1, 2019, 10:49 PM

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cirThink has imp overlord ever been a boss in a trial yet? I can't think of a time when it was

empty rover May 1, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Probably

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 11:08 PM

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not optimally

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:34 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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a minute less then before

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this shit is rough

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:35 PM

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do you not pick any items up?

rigid saddle May 1, 2019, 11:36 PM

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bro im like 3 spots ahead of you

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im trying to get a sub 3

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@livid vine

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:36 PM

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i pick up certain items

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also nice

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:36 PM

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i only did prismatic trials once cause it was nessasary to unlock 1 items

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 11:37 PM

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@livid vine if you want i can record an arti route for you?

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:37 PM

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i only do normal now and find op combos

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:37 PM

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its up to you cabbage im just trying mega hard

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:37 PM

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and when i do the game last days

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then it breaks and nothing spawns for every round

rigid saddle May 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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i go to the left pick up a dagger and those bullet items and run to boss

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then i run to the end

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staying to the left

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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the key to fight Wisps is to jump as soon as they are almost done charging an attack, and by the time the attack comes out you are already at the ground safe

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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tri tip dagger and armor piercing rounds

rigid saddle May 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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ya that

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:38 PM

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alright

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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i can probably skip an item for more time

rigid saddle May 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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iv tried like 4 different ways to run this and i got 336 each time lol

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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tbh engineer kind of be needing a buff who agrees XD

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:39 PM

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does he really?

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

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no it is a joke

drowsy jetty May 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

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they could probably remove some anti fun parts of engi in p. trials

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

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its 3 people in one

drowsy jetty May 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

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namely, you have to protect the mobs from your own turrets, so it doesnt delay the teleporter for like 10 seconds

livid vine May 1, 2019, 11:40 PM

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teleporter delay is cancer

drowsy jetty May 1, 2019, 11:41 PM

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you already have to deal with rng m1 shot pattern, turret AI being turret AI, and then the delay rubs salt in the wound

rigid saddle May 1, 2019, 11:41 PM

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i got a 330 run once and had to wait 10 secs for the delay haha

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i was losing my mind

warm sky May 1, 2019, 11:42 PM

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you know what im a try to do a prismatic trial with out pickign a single item up

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picking

drowsy jetty May 1, 2019, 11:42 PM

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if you have your shield up, you can shield enemies from your own turret shots, but sometimes u have to use it vs the boss

cyan stratus May 1, 2019, 11:45 PM

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not even the preon?

livid vine May 2, 2019, 12:00 AM

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couple seconds less

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its possible i can beat the boss in less then 2 mins

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the 1st boss i mean

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 12:09 AM

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for arti i get 1:25-1:30 s1 pause without preon

livid vine May 2, 2019, 12:18 AM

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i get around 1:40 or 1:59

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the difficult part in the 2nd level is getting to the teleporter which is far away, need to use the crystals to go there

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 1:00 AM

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fastest i've gotten is 2:28 arti but that's with a scuffed crystal jump

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 1:16 AM

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Cabbage playing arti? wat

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 1:18 AM

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someone has to (^:

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 1:19 AM

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idk I'm starting to lose interest in the game atm in general, need more content

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 1:24 AM

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dunestrider doesn't go up if you're literally inside of him btw

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no way to dodge the bombs while doing is afaik but at least it's something (^:

elder basalt May 2, 2019, 2:08 AM

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watfck

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the second bosses on prismatic trials are bullshit

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 2:21 AM

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you can preon both blazing wisps at the same time so you only have to kill the overloading one

rigid saddle May 2, 2019, 2:50 AM

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engineer i get around 1:58 for first boss

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@cyan stratus what is preon?

zenith plinth May 2, 2019, 2:58 AM

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basically bfg it goes big boom when u shoot it

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 3:20 AM

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preon accumulator

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the thing in the timed chest

rigid saddle May 2, 2019, 3:34 AM

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i tried to just pick up the bullet item and then that and wasnt able to make the time

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what itms do you pick up?

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 3:35 AM

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wasn't able to make what time?

rigid saddle May 2, 2019, 3:47 AM

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under 3:36

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 3:47 AM

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as what character? engi?

rigid saddle May 2, 2019, 3:55 AM

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yes

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what items do you pick up besides the preon?

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 3:57 AM

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idk, i haven't tried engi

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@slim lintel what arti time do i need to get for you to be proud of me

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:04 AM

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sub 2:20

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but don't worry about it

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:04 AM

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fk

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:04 AM

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I'm always proud of you suga

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:04 AM

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i got 2:20.44 lmao

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:04 AM

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u's my candy apple

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:05 AM

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wisp rng is tilting me so im done though

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they either drift apart so you cant 1shot or drift together so you can

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:06 AM

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lots of ai bullshittery lately in these trials and I don't like it

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:06 AM

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yeah me neither

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cool

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you're like 6 days late though so either everyone's seen it or doesn't care

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why you tryna spoil it for other though?

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like i personally dont care but it's kinda a stupid thing to do

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I don't care about dc comics at all but you better not spoil my favorite anime or there will be hell to pay buddy

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I can't tell if the fortnite thing is a joke or an epic games ad campaign

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:13 AM

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aw he's gone

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btw what's your favorite anime so i can look up the ending

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:17 AM

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I don't actually watch anime very much at all

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:17 AM

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your profile picture begs to differ

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:18 AM

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she's from a game you uncultured swine

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:18 AM

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not boutta zoom into that to see where it's from

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looks like an anime to me

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Touhou, it's a series of "bullet hell" games that have been around since 1996

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:25 AM

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oh right i know that

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never bothered playing it

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:33 AM

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if next trial isn't fun I'm probably gonna dip out 'til june

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more maps/new char/hopefully improved AI will make it more interesting

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:37 AM

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rate my arti gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucv214FJuVM&feature=youtu.be

YouTube

Cabbage

Risk of Rain 2 - Prismatic Trial #12: 2:20.44 (Artificer)

i never wanted to play this character but here we are dunestrider ai can be manipulated just like in the mul-t run but every time i tried i just died to the ...

▶ Play video

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:40 AM

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timing those burn ticks into a crystal jump impressed me, for what it's worth

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:41 AM

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i accidentally shot 3 fireballs at the 2nd crystal instead of 2 which messed up my usual timing so i just kinda winged that one lol

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:42 AM

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those wisps went down fast, too

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:43 AM

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the blazing ones either drift apart or go together

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fastest s2 teleporter activation was around 1:55 but the wisps just didn't

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:43 AM

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I've seen people say flamethrower can't be used on greater wisps and sometimes I feel like asking them if their spacebar is broken but I also don't really wanna be a dick

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:43 AM

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lmao

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i make sure my spacebar isn't broken by jumping literally whenever possible

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boing boing

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:49 AM

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it gets exponentially easier with a hopoo feather but those things just can't hit you if you're in the air

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:52 AM

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that's false

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the splash damage from the bullets hitting the ground hurts

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:53 AM

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yeah, but if youi're in the air you can make them not hit the ground near you

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hopoo feather makes it way easier tho

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:54 AM

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it's not like they all fire at the same time

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no matter what, unless you get ridiculous rng and they sync up, one of them will hit the ground

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:54 AM

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that's true, but in normal play you don't encounter multiple greater wisps early on

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not getting any mobility stuff in loop 1 is really bad luck

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 4:55 AM

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ok yeah but it's not like that works in this trial

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i still think preon on dunestrider can be faster but the wisps just aren't survivable

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:57 AM

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I wonder

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hm yeah, not any terrain you can use nearby either

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:03 AM

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How long is the prismatic trial, like for a normal player? Talking a couple of hours?

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:04 AM

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I don't see how using the preon on dunestrider is faster

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naw, it's like 15-20 minutes if you go carefully and farm all the chests

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only 2 levels long

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Just want to give it a go before work, thought the times about of 1:20 were an hour twenty xD Cheers

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:05 AM

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1:20 is hacked for sure, they're normally around 2 minutes 30 seconds for a good player

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I think we haven't seen a legit sub 2 yet

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Cabbage, I dont' see how Preon on the dunestrider could possibly be faster

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:06 AM

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i got 0:55 pause as mult using preon on dunestrider

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that's 15 sec off 1:10 without

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if somehow the wisps can be killed fast then idk

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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yeah but you're left with 3 wisps

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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they die fast though

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if i was invincible i could kill them really fast

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but dying is a problem

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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preon is like 480 damage right? less with MUL-T although there's the lightning bolts too

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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you can ram the wisps btw

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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that preon in the video killed 2 wisps at once, deleting 2/3 of the healthbar

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:07 AM

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i think i showcased that in my video

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:08 AM

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maybe if it was a critpreon

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:08 AM

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yeah it was

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lol

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:08 AM

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well have fun with that

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:08 AM

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nah, your turn

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i said i'm not going for sub 2 unless someone else gets it first

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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we really need bunny back over here

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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he's gone

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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rip

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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school claimed another one

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i hope there's more activity over the summer

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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How hard is it to, get fast? Because, I'd love to try helping out, always liked the look of speedrunning, this seems like a, stepping stone.

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:09 AM

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that makes the whole target of "June" make a lot of sense

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:10 AM

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i have like no speedrunning experience and picked it up pretty easily

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:10 AM

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I think sub 3 with the good survivors is something anyone can do if they want to

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:10 AM

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ya im trying that out right now

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:10 AM

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sub 4 with anyone else is possible, though probably a struggle with Slowmando

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speaking in general, not necessarily this trial

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:11 AM

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i really dont like commando

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:11 AM

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he's so awful for prismatics jesus

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:11 AM

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the missile would be neat because you can shoot through walls and snipe crystals

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:11 AM

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his gimmick of being OP in loop 3 is just totally irrelevant

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:11 AM

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but sometimes it randomly goes at an angle

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:15 AM

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maybe huntress is fun in this one

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:15 AM

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ha

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:15 AM

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the glaive would bounce between the two wisps you use preon on right now

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so you could preon the dunestrider

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:16 AM

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you know what else would bounce

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huntress' body across the floor after a wisp breathes on her once

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:16 AM

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just don't get hit lol

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:16 AM

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good point

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:18 AM

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So... I died.
Is Engineer or Huntress going to be better for this?
Tried a mid ground, grab some items but not too many and rush through, as huntress, and just ate the dirt on the wisps...

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:18 AM

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mult

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:18 AM

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bubble shield is good so easier to survive with Engie

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dunestrider is kinda awful with huntress

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oh the wisps?

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:19 AM

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I have played him once, where I've played engi and huntress lots.
Didn't find Dunestrider an issue

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:19 AM

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better start learning mult then (^:

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:19 AM

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did you hit level 4 before the wisp fight?

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:20 AM

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I was, I believe, half way through

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:20 AM

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try saving the Preon Accumulator for them I guess

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:21 AM

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when i did my first run on this seed i totally forgot about the Preon

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:21 AM

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I, also did that ^

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:23 AM

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the hardest part in a huntress run for me is getting off that first arrow rain its such a small window but thankfully its at the begining

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Care to explain? Just started this 😛

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:29 AM

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so at the begining of the run on your right hand side there is a crystal cluster on the stairs near the teleporter. i always shoot it with an arrow barrage to get it out of the way first but its so small and the geometry is wonky that its hard to hit it

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:30 AM

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if there were sometimes prismatic trials with just crystals and no bossfight I think we'd be seeing huntress in the lead al lthe time

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:31 AM

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grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Done 4 failed huntress runs... trying engineer xD

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:35 AM

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ive failed about 20 runs with huntress in the past 20 min. you get used to it fast because of low hitpoints

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:38 AM

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First try with Engineer, 5:52.

hazy kite May 2, 2019, 5:39 AM

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nice

grave forum May 2, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Gonna see if I can trim that, but then, I MUST go to work xD

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'eh, not a great, but improving. 5:01.

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 5:59 AM

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ok how tf do you hit the wisps from that far with preon? I've tried 5 times but the spark damage keeps knocking them across the map and making the ball miss

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:59 AM

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rng

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:03 AM

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I didn't know spark damage had knockback

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:03 AM

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a flea farting on a different planet causes knockback to the wisps

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its ridiculous

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ugh finally 2:18

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could shave down to 2:16~ if I could stop missing the M2 as the duneboi goes up the second time >.>

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:08 AM

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nice

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:09 AM

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Having to jump around a boss doing nothing for a solid 5-10~ seconds to be efficient feels booty

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:09 AM

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you can skip it

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:10 AM

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preon is a must for wisps and rngesus hates me

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:13 AM

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im guessing you have a better s2 crystal jump

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:14 AM

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you also cleared s1 at 1:25 I consistantly clear 1:22~ could be 1:20 easily if I could just hit the M2 but duneboi is a dodging god

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:15 AM

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nah 1:25 is late

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i stumbled at the start a bunch

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:15 AM

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ye

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did you jump with your s2 crystal jump or no

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:17 AM

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dude im always jumping i dont even know when i jump anymore

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:17 AM

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lmao

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I jump a ton in fps games but not so much in this one, until I get hopoo feathers

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:18 AM

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maybe because this isn't an fps game

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:18 AM

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ik

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even tps idk why I said fps

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very thankful the teleporter item from s1 isnt important this trial

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:19 AM

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lmao

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you can climb on the rock and grab it

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but it's like, pretty precise

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well you can keep your arti record, i don't feel like grinding more rng

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:20 AM

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cant have some mult pleb get best arti time while I sit idle

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:21 AM

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well that just makes me want to beat your time but i'll resist

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:21 AM

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do the ultimate flex, beat my time when the trial has 5 seconds left

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:21 AM

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it's enough knowing that you stole the route and strats from a mult pleb

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:22 AM

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s1 we do the same things, and I did that from the start. s2 I couldnt have done without your help because I'm special

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:22 AM

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i bet you didnt know you could fit between the door and the crate by the preon chest

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i had to accidentally fall to figure that one out

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:23 AM

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nah I've been doing that since the first trial the preon was in that crate

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:23 AM

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oh

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:23 AM

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I was gonna say something when I saw your mult vid but I remembered mult is too thicc to fit

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:23 AM

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i bet you had a slower dunestrider strat before you saw mine

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:24 AM

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i mean you shoot him down to 550~ hp and then wait and attack him not much else you can do

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:24 AM

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with a crit flamethrower you can skip the waiting

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:24 AM

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o lemme just whip that right on out

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i got it uhhhhhhhh

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once out of like idk how many tries

grave forum May 2, 2019, 6:59 AM

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Is there a video of the best strategy, or guide? Want to improve

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 7:07 AM

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scroll up a bit, cabbage has an artificer and mult vid should show you the gist of it

grave forum May 2, 2019, 8:45 AM

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That's mad... That's cool, didn't realise the crystals gave knockback.

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 8:55 AM

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artificer is the best at jumping with crystals (very "light") mult is the worst

livid vine May 2, 2019, 9:03 AM

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my time with Arti was better then last

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although i think i reached my limit with that one

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wish prismatic was less rng

brazen bolt May 2, 2019, 10:07 AM

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Funny that how sth that is supposed to be the same for everyone in every run still has very important RNG in it like crits and enemy movement

simple mica May 2, 2019, 10:18 AM

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whats the state of commander on trials?

white frost May 2, 2019, 10:20 AM

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awful

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poor range, medicore mobility, the absolute worst boss-killing output

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I think Merc does better just because he can kill things faster despite having to move up to melee range of each crystal

simple mica May 2, 2019, 10:23 AM

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clay should be banned from crystal

white frost May 2, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Honestly bisons are worse

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 2:19 PM

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what's a good time for engi this trial? i might give him a try for fun

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i got a 3:24 but idk if i should preon the dunestrider or the wisps

empty rover May 2, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Wait there's a preon?

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Where the hell is the preon?

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:13 PM

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snow level always has a preon in the timed chest, it's inside the shipping container

empty rover May 2, 2019, 4:13 PM

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Oh shit I thought it wouldn't spawn for Prismatic

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But yeah I'd say use preon on Dunestrider to skip the healing phase

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:15 PM

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thats the easy way if you just want to beat the trial, if you wanna go fast its better to use it on wisps

empty rover May 2, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Fair, I use Arti for the trials tho so the wisps aren't much of an issue

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:22 PM

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I got 2:18 on arti using it on wisps

empty rover May 2, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Fair enough

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I got 4:20 so honestly I'm pretty set

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It was almost 4:20.69 but I was off by .04

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 4:31 PM

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@cyan stratus @white frost You guys talking about me like I'm dead lol

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Anyone got a link I can follow for this trial?

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nvm, found cabbages arti run

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 4:47 PM

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👀 he bacc

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Å steike du er tilbake

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 4:50 PM

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Gotta play a bit before my exams

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Any tips on the current dunestrider? any way to manipulate the AI without waiting?

white frost May 2, 2019, 4:51 PM

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I've heard you can make him go long by getting above a certain y - level, not sure if true or not

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You fight him right next to a scaffolding though

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 4:53 PM

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Yeah, but I think there's a cooldown on his long phase, and he always does it close to the beginning anyways for some reason

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 5:03 PM

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there's no consistent way afaik

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Think if you are close enough it doesn't do it, so you could potentially delay it for a few seconds so you could kill it without it doing the turtle move

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But as arti you tend to die when you do that strat

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Guys, you know if you go fast enough you will get overloading imps instead of wisps on stage 2?

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Which we are able to use ice wall on

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Seems a lot faster, but maybe I'm looking at an old run or something

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 5:23 PM

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I got imps once but was a bit later than usual so idk

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:25 PM

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wb

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beat my mult run

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ez sub2

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 5:26 PM

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Vid?

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:26 PM

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yes

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 5:41 PM

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It seems like if you are too fast on arti you get wisps, and if you go too slow you also get wisps, but there is some sort of middle in between where you get overloading imps

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:43 PM

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idk

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Get imps at 1:45 atleast, doubt a sub 2 would be even close to possible

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Oh this is an interesting situation

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I have some insight into what causes this

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There's two "directors" present when you play the level

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:58 PM

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what

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:59 PM

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One spawns stuff every 3-6 seconds

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The other spawns stuff every 15-20 seconds

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Once per second these directors get "credits" based on difficulty

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 5:59 PM

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????

white frost May 2, 2019, 5:59 PM

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If you activate the teleporter, the directors give their credits to the teleporter director, and he uses those credits to spawn the boss

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So

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If you catch them at the right time, you can change the amount of enemies that the teleporter director can afford

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That's why sometimes there'll exist a 5 second window with a different boss being selected

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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uhhhh

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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makes sense actually

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Just hit the tp at 1:46 and got wisps again

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got imps at 1:45 in a different attempt

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:01 PM

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The takeaway is that you can have an idea of when the window is by observing enemies spawning

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Try activating the teleporter 15 seconds after a big batch of enemies spawn

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:02 PM

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you lost me at 'window'

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:02 PM

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https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/wiki/Directors

Risk of Rain 2 Wiki

Directors

As a Rogue-lite, Risk of Rain 2 features a lot of random generation as part of its gameplay - unlike many other action games, enemies and most items are randomized between different runs, both in...

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Damn that's interesting

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:02 PM

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It's a bit to take in

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But one director will spawn a few enemies every 3-6 seconds whole the other spawns a larger batch or just one heavy enemy every 15-20

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If you see two completely different enemies spawn close to each other, that's both directors firing at the same time

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This is why being late spawns a more dangerous boss, as well

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The boss director has more credits to play with

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Magma worms are expensive, you'll never encounter one on world record pace i believe

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:05 PM

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yea that's complicated idk

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:06 PM

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You might also be able to influence the boss by hitting a shrine of combat, although it's not a guarantee

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And you'd need to hit the tele quickly afterwards

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:06 PM

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The wiki says the shrine of combat uses its own director

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Yes

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But when directors shut down they pass their credits to another director at random

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Tats what causes the different boss window

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:07 PM

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ooh

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:07 PM

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The normal directors have more credits to pass off

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It changes the pool of enemies the teleporter director can choose from

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:08 PM

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The teleporter would then maybe go for a "more heavy cost" enemy?

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:08 PM

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I haven't gotten into it enough yet, but in theory you could look at a video of a run and calculate the second you need to hit the tele to change the boss

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It could, but not necessarily

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Let's say I have a deck of 5 guards

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You decide you're going to pick the eight one

cyan stratus May 2, 2019, 6:10 PM

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??????

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:10 PM

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So you count to 8,going through all five cards, ending on the third one

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I add a sixth card at the end, now your pick changes to card #2

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:11 PM

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idk why but I find this kind of shit way too interesting

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:11 PM

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It's fascinating AF but actually using it in practice is a complicated affair

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Yeah, we don't have a whole lot to work with for calculating stuff

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:11 PM

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There's just too many factors like when you start the second level and which exact enemies are spawned all the time

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The numbers are there but this isn't math you can do in your head on the fly

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:13 PM

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It says that a spawn loop runs every frame, maybe thatt's why we felt the hermit crabs in PT#4 or 5 were easier avoided on 30 fps

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:13 PM

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So I'd give this rule of thumb: if you get a different boss check your footage for a big, varied spawn 15 seconds earlier

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Do the spawn loops reset on next stage, or does it keep going?

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Because spawn loops on stage 1 are almost 100% consistant

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:14 PM

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It resets I believe

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The problem is the amount of credits the directors have to work with next level is going to depend on time/difficulty

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I don't think it'll be consistent without identical pause times

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To the second at the very least

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Tl;dr teleporter bosses are some butterfly effect shit

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:17 PM

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lol

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:17 PM

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But magma worms and imp overlords are completely avoidable as far as I understand

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:18 PM

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We did get a magma worm on one of the PTs i believe

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:18 PM

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One thing I found interesting is that the wiki says teleporter director will specifically avoid golems as the boss

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But we had golems earlier, so prismatics use a different director entirely

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I swear I've gotten golems a few times in normal runs

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I haven't had it happen, but it seems weird for the wiki to say it's not the case if it's not true

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I could be remembering wrong, my memory is worse than a goldfish

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:20 PM

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It could have been one of those golem events

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Because I know those can spawn golems

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:20 PM

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those always spawn a titan at tele

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though a lot of the time I dont get to see that because the golem event just kills arti if you're somewhat early in your run

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:21 PM

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If the director doesn't have enough credits to spawn the titan, I'd assume it would spawn golems atleast

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Because I'm fairly sure I've seen golems from tp before

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idk, maybe i'm being stupid

slim lintel May 2, 2019, 6:22 PM

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We're all too stupid to know if we're being stupid or not cirBaka

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Curiously however, if the first spawn attempt fails, the standard selection mechanic is used from the 2nd one onwards.

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If it fails the first one, it uses the standard one, making golems possible

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Oh I see

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Hermit crabs are 25 credits

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The teleporter wouldn't be able to afford a boss at all if it could spawn them

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Any more than 300 credits can't spawn hermits

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Isn't that odd?

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:27 PM

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I'm a bit confused, what do you mean 300 credits can't spawn hermits?

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:27 PM

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At pre 15 seconds in that one trial the boss was hermit crabs, right?

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:28 PM

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I think so yeah

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:28 PM

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The teleport only selects enemies between 1/12 and the complete amount of credits it has available

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So at 15 seconds it has 300 credits or less

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But at 16 seconds it suddenly has 600 credits or more

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:29 PM

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A titan costs 600

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:29 PM

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Isn't that kind of a big gap?

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:29 PM

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It spawned a normal titan instead of overloading crabs

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Hm

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It not supposed to consider the cost of the elite unit

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But that still seems like what happened

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@dark saddle any opinions on that particular matter?

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I don't think he's on

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:31 PM

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Awfully inconsiderate 😦

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What's the question ?

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:32 PM

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There was a prismatic trial where hermit crabs spawned at the teleport if you're fast

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:32 PM

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2nd level I suppose ?

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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That means the teleport director had less than 300 credits right?

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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It was the first stage

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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No, first level

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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25 cost so 600

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Ehh?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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You'd have to be real fricking fast for it to work

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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We had to stand around for like 4 seconds

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:33 PM

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25*24 is 600 if I'm not calculating incorrectly

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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24? The teleporter goes lower?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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?

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Too cheap to spawn has always been 24

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Wiki says directors won't consider enemies below 1/12 of its credits

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:34 PM

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uh

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The 1/12 is only used by the combat shrine behavior

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Oh just combat shrine

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Did you mix them up ?

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:35 PM

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I am a dumm-dumm

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So in those first 15 seconds, the teleporter has exactly 600 credits

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But it'd also have to coincide with slow and fast directors just having made a spawn, right?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Why ?

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All directors have their own pools

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:36 PM

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What about the mechanic of directors giving their credits up?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Race condition

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Did I invent that

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Race condition

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:37 PM

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TP director receives them more often

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brb gotta eat

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:38 PM

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I get it

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Teleporter director can activate first

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Spawning the boss, then getting the credits

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Gee, it's almost like we weren't meant to know all this stuff and use it to cheese out preferred spawns for prismatic trials

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Yeah, I can feel a my brain melting from trying to digest all this information

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:54 PM

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When activating the Teleporter, the activation of the Teleporter Directors precedes the deactivation of standard Directors, which means that they will receive the credits of the deactivating Directors. Which Director receives which one's credits is random however.

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That means the teleporter doesn't get the credits of the other directors right?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:55 PM

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Care

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Teleporter director is not the boss director

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:55 PM

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I'm so confused

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Oh it's the mobs after activation

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Teleporter director is the one responsible for spawning enemies during tp event. Boss director is responsible for spawning the boss

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Not confused anymore. Winning

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Fast and slow deactivate after TP and boss activate

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So which sends to which is random

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:57 PM

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So boss won't get any credits no matter what?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:57 PM

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HOWEVER !

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:57 PM

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ah yikes

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:57 PM

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(it's dramatic so it's cool)

white frost May 2, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Oh they're two different directors!

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:58 PM

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The bonus director is enabled before the boss director

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 6:59 PM

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the hell is the bonus director

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 6:59 PM

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And when the boss director is enable,d it it so before the whole credit income and routine

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TP director (it's called bonus in the code)

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Yeah, so I'm confused again

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Boss director can never receive extra credits then?

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:00 PM

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That won't affect the boss though, only the mob spawns after tp

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Unless it receives deactivation credits no, it can't

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Yeah, those

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Again, it's a race condition I'm pretty sure

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:01 PM

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So in theory, it could get credits from a shrine of combat

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Not directly, credits only go to active directors

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Either that or the order is fixed and in this case it should be 50/50 but I don't think that's the case

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Ah

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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It could go combat director - > slow director - > boss director

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Theoretically it could yea but again this would be a serious timing coincidence

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:02 PM

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But greatly diminished

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Do we know if credit transfer is seeded or not?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Asking Harb to playtest woudl probably be easiest way to know

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Transfer is not seeded

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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Oh what

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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And since it's probably a race condition it probably wouldn't even matter

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:03 PM

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So in that trial sub 15 not hermit crabs is random

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Yeah uh scratch that it is seeded

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Okay good thats what I thought

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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That's assuming the race always has the same results though

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Is the race condition deterministic?

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Again, testing is the best way to know

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Mhm

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:04 PM

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By definition a race condition is not deterministic

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Sounds silly for the director cycle to not be an array iteration

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Since the whole schtick is that two pieces of code execute at the same time instead of sequentially and thus the order may change

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It all depends on how it is implemented

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I will try to check it

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If ativating TP sends signals to independent objects at once order of execution is undefined

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It may be faster or slower and over most runs you may have patterns but you can never be sure it will always be honored

pearl eagle May 2, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Sounds about right thinking about PT#4 atleast

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:06 PM

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If orders are sent in a fixed order though you can very likely predict what will happen

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I can try to check but ultimately the bast thing to do is testing

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Trying lots TP activations with debug enabled and see if the order remains constant

white frost May 2, 2019, 7:09 PM

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It is for sure it's just testing in this case requires near-perfect execution in many cases

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Oh hm debug

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What kinda info do you get from that

dark saddle May 2, 2019, 7:10 PM

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Anything you want

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I'm taking about manual debug here

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@ripe lantern If you have some time, could you rig up some debugging/testing to see the exact sequence of Director de/activations when initializing TP event ? We'd like to know if the sequence is deterministic or a race condition

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This is mostly to know if the credit transfer routine always executes in the same order or if it's semi-random

ripe lantern May 2, 2019, 7:20 PM

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Sure

ripe lantern May 2, 2019, 7:39 PM

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https://pastebin.com/kNPx2gE0

Pastebin

Combat Director 205776 enabled! Combat Director 202060 enabled! ...

white frost May 2, 2019, 8:48 PM

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I'm not sure what to take away from this

rigid saddle May 2, 2019, 9:37 PM

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i hvae no idea how some people got a sub 3 mins with engineer

ripe lantern May 2, 2019, 10:12 PM

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Nor am I, zeddy

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Also, discord crapped up and didn't show new messages for this server until I reloaded

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I was like "That's really odd that nobody has said anything for one and a half hours"

robust tendon May 2, 2019, 11:31 PM

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The only thing I can think of is if it's deterministic you can know what to expect in some cases

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Reduces the apparent randomness

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But since you need to be running into credit limits for this to apply I'm not sure how often it will help

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Nice a vagrant that flamethrower can barely reach

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:08 AM

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it be like that for Arti

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Cabbage about to come in here with the 2 minute Multi

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kinda want Trials to be a boss rush instead of time stages, maybe when more bosses come out

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 12:13 AM

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is this trial a joke?

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if it is it's not a very funny one

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2 jellyfish really

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:14 AM

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lmao feels bad man

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i was trying to be funny, sorry if it wasn't

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:15 AM

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oh new trial, and it's all vagrants

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how interesting

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 12:16 AM

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whats stage 2? I'm having trouble killing what I can't touch

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:20 AM

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surprisingly not that bad

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:20 AM

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you can hit the tentacles with flamethrower, vagrant isn't so bad with arti

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:20 AM

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mind you i had 2 APR and a bandlore as Arti

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:20 AM

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is there a terrain feature that keeps you from doing that?

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:21 AM

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first stage you can't

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second stage you can

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this guy name sound beat in in 36 secs? wtf

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:23 AM

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that's a hacker

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was he using commando or did he make it slightly less obvious than that

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:23 AM

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Huntress

ripe lantern May 3, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Huntress killing a boss in 36 secs thinKappa

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:27 AM

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now a another Huntress got 44 seconds

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@cyan stratus yo you getting robbed my dude lmao

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:30 AM

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2 bosses, harb

rigid saddle May 3, 2019, 12:36 AM

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are they going to eventually split the times up into classes?

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:37 AM

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wat you mean?

drowsy jetty May 3, 2019, 12:44 AM

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survivor specific leaderboards is what they mean

lofty ore May 3, 2019, 12:44 AM

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that would be nice

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:45 AM

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it wouldn't hurt

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makes sense cause in reality there is gonna be a class better then the rest

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so separating the classes in their own rank system would be a more accurate leaderboard

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:46 AM

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should still be a global one, but survivor-specifics in addition

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the best survivor isn't always going to be MUL-T

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sometimes it's Artificer

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:47 AM

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it would still be global just not like a huge leaderboard, just like 1st place Multi and 2nd place etc

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then we would see who's the best player in this seed

white frost May 3, 2019, 12:48 AM

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the best at hacking in their clear time

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:48 AM

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yea that really needs to be fixed

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at least get like anti-cheat or something

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Cabbage should be first

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based on the current leaderboard

ripe lantern May 3, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Anticheat is hard

indigo solstice May 3, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Idk why the top 10% cannot get lunar coins as a placeholder

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doesn't make sense to me

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:53 AM

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they might have something else as a a prize that we don't know yet

indigo solstice May 3, 2019, 12:53 AM

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well that much is obvious

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I said as a placeholder

livid vine May 3, 2019, 12:55 AM

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well then hackers would abuse it

indigo solstice May 3, 2019, 12:55 AM

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I mean

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Hackers just edit in 999999999 lunar coins anyways :/

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 12:56 AM

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got beetle queen s2 from event and almost got 2:15~ but died

livid vine May 3, 2019, 1:01 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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close

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if only the hackers were not there

white frost May 3, 2019, 1:05 AM

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people really enjoy running engie

livid vine May 3, 2019, 1:05 AM

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he's pretty strong

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something is defiantly gonna happen to him in the next patch

white frost May 3, 2019, 1:07 AM

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Think so? Patch notes don't seem to have mentioned him at all

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Dev notes I mean

livid vine May 3, 2019, 1:12 AM

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think they mention in a previous dev note

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"Engineer's weird dependency on Bustling Fungus to be viable has always been a concern for once we add more items - he will have a smaller percentage fungii in the pool. How will we make sure every item patch doesn't make Engi worse?" this is from the 2nd dev note

white frost May 3, 2019, 1:19 AM

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that counts as mentioning engie, I guess

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thought you were implying nerfs

livid vine May 3, 2019, 1:25 AM

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i said "something" i don't think they are gonna nerf him, they didn't even like nerfing Multi and he's still good

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 1:31 AM

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whew 2:17 think 2:10 is possible very scuffed s1 and took forever to get to s2 tele after boss died

robust tendon May 3, 2019, 1:50 AM

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People like playing engineer because he's very consistent

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Not even that dependent on fungus if you don't want to do a multi hour run, I think I've crossed 60 minutes more often without fungus than with

primal swallow May 3, 2019, 1:52 AM

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well this one sucks

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wandering vagrant S1, and overloading wandering vagrant S2

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no equipment anywhere

white frost May 3, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Survival time is a dumb stat

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You can last as long as your computer stays on just by not leaving the pond

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Most my commando runs will last over an hour because it takes him that much longer to do one loop

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 2:35 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/419602844

Twitch

1:11.93 arti

iforgotwho - Risk of Rain 2 - Twitch

▶ Play video

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can def be improved, enemy behind me ate an M2 in s1 and another M2 went right through the jellyfish in s2

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 2:58 AM

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1:11????

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are you using newt altar?

drowsy jetty May 3, 2019, 2:59 AM

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211

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 2:59 AM

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oh

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btw newt has 2 ocular hud and an overloading titan

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but seems slow

velvet citrus May 3, 2019, 3:15 AM

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nice score

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:14 AM

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2:15... hard for mult

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:21 AM

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shit my discord wasnt updating at all, yeah the 1:11 was a typo

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:22 AM

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weird, been happening to me too

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must be something with discord

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:24 AM

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both vagrant fights are a shitshow for arti, its basically luck if you beat them

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:25 AM

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i could tell

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mult is hardcapped 1:12 for s1 as far as i can tell

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idk if anyone has found a better strat that still gets lv4

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:26 AM

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best I got was 1:01 but could probably improve that as I got better with the second flamethrower

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actually the one in that vid probably would have been lower than that if that lemurian or whatever didnt eat that M2 from behind me

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:28 AM

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yea mult just doesnt have enough dps for both vagrants

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:30 AM

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can you even ram the first one?

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:31 AM

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not without godlike rng while standing on a cliff

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sometimes it goes lower than usual

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:31 AM

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Welp guess this is an arti trial then. But arti is hell, I was gettin' real mad at these vagrants

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:36 AM

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how do you survive a golem, 18 lemurians, a couple wisps, and a jellyfish as arti

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:36 AM

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Blind luck, sheer will, and a lot of anger

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er I mean skill cirShades

robust tendon May 3, 2019, 4:37 AM

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Anger=skill, see: Berserker's pauldron

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:40 AM

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I think I only stuck with it on this trial because the s1 crystals are satisfying. The way you fly right on to the tele right as the dot ticks the last crystal down

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:41 AM

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that's a stupid reason (^:

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:41 AM

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its hawt

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:41 AM

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i think 2:15 is pretty optimized as mult

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not gonna get much faster

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I'd say 2:05~ is probably arti peak but I wont be grinding that unless someone comes along and beats me

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:44 AM

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there's no way mult can get 2:05

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if someone does it i'll eat my shoe

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:44 AM

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is it a nike

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I'll make you eat a nike

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:44 AM

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it's a sandal

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but that's close enough to a shoe

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I bet you wear socks with it

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:45 AM

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what if i do

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:45 AM

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idk what if you do

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:47 AM

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it's a shame because i like my mult route

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it's innovative (^:

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but also slow

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:47 AM

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did you make a vid

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:47 AM

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no

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i just needed a good way to kill 1st jellyfish

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so i came up with some stupid strat that's actually faster than anything else i've found

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:50 AM

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do you save the crystal near the jelly spawn and jump with it to ram it

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:51 AM

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nah

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you know ram is only like 115 damage

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and there's no other crystal to kill

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it's basically i get lv2 before the boss fight

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but i need 3 canisters and 2 lemurians

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and the 2nd lemurian only spawns if you activate tp after 0:35 for some reason

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:56 AM

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115 damage is right under a fully charged arti m2

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thats no small beans

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:57 AM

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it's also like 2-3 seconds of full auto m1

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find me a crystal that i can kill that loses less than that time

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 5:21 AM

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best i could get is 2:10 but i died because about 40 lemurians bodyblocked me from entering tele

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:23 AM

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on mult?

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 5:23 AM

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no as merc

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:23 AM

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damn dude nice

robust kite May 3, 2019, 6:40 AM

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dose anyone know the top time with no cheats right now? or is no one tracking that?

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 6:42 AM

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i mean you're one of the cheaters so idk why you would care but it's about 2:10

robust kite May 3, 2019, 6:43 AM

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well I want to push my no cheat time lower also its not like I don't have standers that run took almost 300 attempts to push that low

livid vine May 3, 2019, 6:44 AM

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doesn't make it ok to cheat man

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 6:44 AM

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spending 300 attempts with cheats doesnt make you any better

robust kite May 3, 2019, 6:45 AM

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well I just dont think the prospect of cheats all that fun anyway

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 6:45 AM

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but gl getting 2:10 legit

livid vine May 3, 2019, 6:45 AM

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then why cheat

robust kite May 3, 2019, 6:45 AM

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its fun to mess with and push the game idk why speed run anything

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im going to try for 2:10 i was just asking

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 6:46 AM

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bc you ruin it for others

livid vine May 3, 2019, 6:47 AM

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if you were doing it in a normal game sure go nuts, but you are doing it in a game mode that allows players to compete for time, some people really like that and feel shitty when someone cheats their way to first place with no effort

robust kite May 3, 2019, 6:58 AM

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there's a good amount of effort to my time I'm not teleport cheating but, I will say I would like to see a more active leader bored with people who did it legit and take it seriously. I think it could be fun to do races and stuff. Its honestly a part of the game I see with a lot of potential that could have a fun community of people helping to push each time every 3 days lower and lower. it all sounds so fun and I want to help on that front I know you guys don't think of me that highly of me but i want to humble myself and take that first step that's all I'm saying.

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 6:59 AM

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think I'm first with 2:11 and cabbage is second with 2:15. Don't think a huntress really beat it in 2:05

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Artificer is probably fastest this trial but extremely hard to clear with, mult is probably a bit easier to clear with but slower

livid vine May 3, 2019, 7:04 AM

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@robust kite you can start by never cheating

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if you actually wanna help people

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:04 AM

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They can't, because they they have already cheated. So they can just, stop cheating.

robust kite May 3, 2019, 7:05 AM

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I just want to check something when it comes to time. do you guys get the same bosses based off of time you stated the teleporter?

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also have you guys taken that into account when optimizing the run?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:05 AM

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Been a couple trials like that but its rare that comes in to play.

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This one isn't one of them

robust kite May 3, 2019, 7:06 AM

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ok

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:10 AM

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tbh I want to see the cheaters gone but it's easy enough to ignore them. As long as some of us are in here heavily optimizing routes we'll know where the line between cheater/non cheater is

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All we can really do until hopoo does something which may never happen

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:15 AM

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i played a modded run yesterday... item share... it's far too easy

robust kite May 3, 2019, 7:15 AM

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yeah thats what I see too I kind of want to be done with cheats its unfulfilling

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:16 AM

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i feel like all the mods that players made are making the game easier

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anyway, 2:05 on huntress? no way, need some proof on that one

robust kite May 3, 2019, 7:17 AM

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its a good run just PBd at 2:25 so its a hard time to beat if its real

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:20 AM

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2:25 on huntress?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:21 AM

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I only mentioned the huntress because they were obviously cheating and they are next in line on the leaderboard from me. So we can safely say them and everyone ahead of them is cheating (all of them are huntress/merc etc) hence why I said it was easy to tell what the best legit time is

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Y'know its dumb but they could make a thing people could opt in to for cheater leaderboards, not all of the cheaters would opt in but I'm sure at least a few would

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Do times need a video with to be above a certain number, or is that the issue, no checks

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:23 AM

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They don't need a video its just well known huntress/merc arent going to beat mult/arti without cheats

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions, want to get involved but literally never used anything like this, speed running I mean

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I thought arti was said to be bad? I haven't played him yet but

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Or is it just good for the prismatic trials

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:23 AM

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when's the next one? tomorrow?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:23 AM

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arti is pretty meh in base game wouldnt say bad, very good in most trials

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Ahh okay. I mainly play huntress and engineer (very different I find, but both situationally good.) but want to get more into the trials and maybe multiplayer as well

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:24 AM

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no matter how much I like huntress, mul-T and arti are better for trials

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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^ why we need char specific leaderboards, everyone could have fun

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Better start learning those too... Ugh yea, à character specific board would be dope

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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looking at all the huntress cheaters, i wouldn't even be top 20

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Would be interested in something like this but for multiplayer, maybe?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:25 AM

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We've mentioned it so much in here I hope hopoo gets the hint

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Ahh, I hadn't seen sorry

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Sorry that was for char leaderboard, though we have talked about 2-4 player trials

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Oh okay

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:26 AM

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would probably end up 2mulT and 1 arti

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:27 AM

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No engineer?

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He feels like a fantastic team player

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:27 AM

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you want speed and damage

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:27 AM

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not really, with 2-4 players you could have a huntress that snipes a far crystal while a merc gets to the tele asap and an engi farms items etc would open up more possibilities

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:27 AM

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hence why mul-T is so good, and cuz arti has tons of base dmg it can catch up

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:28 AM

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To be fair, last trial I got a 5 minutes with engineer... That felt bad xD

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It's be interesting for #theorycrafting, but only if they do it

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:28 AM

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I'd guess 2 Mul-T could easily snipe crystals

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:29 AM

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arti and mult actually have pretty similar DPS, arti competes because easy burst damage on crystals and the best crystal jumping

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:29 AM

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Is arti very mobile?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:29 AM

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No, thats why you use crystal jumping https://www.twitch.tv/iforgotwho/clip/SpeedyObservantSalamanderDansGame

Twitch

good jumps - Clip of iforgotwho - Twitch Clips

Clip of iforgotwho Playing Risk of Rain 2 - Clipped by iforgotwho

▶ Play video

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Ahh, I saw cabbage do that on his last run
Why can't other classes do that as well, do we know?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:30 AM

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We don't know the exact reason but guess it's some kind of "weight" variable

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:31 AM

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huntress doesn't really need it as you can get pretty much everywhere with her movement

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Worth looking in the code? Could poke at it over this weekend, anyway I can help.

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:32 AM

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I mean it would be interesting to know the actual reason but I don't see it being all that helpful

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:32 AM

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though it can boost her forward a bit in specific situations

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:33 AM

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yeah, wisps/golem shots also send her flying like crazy. We've used that to damage boost before

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:33 AM

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If it's not useful I'll leave it, but always like to look at code and learn

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 7:34 AM

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i hope when some "sniper" character comes out, it'll be a bit like huntress, but more dmg and no "auto-aim"

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then trials will have a new contender

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:34 AM

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I know when I tried huntress using her rain of arrows from a far was handy.
Sniper would be tricky, you'd want probably a first person for the scope. Be cool, sure

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:35 AM

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won't know what we're getting 'til June unless they tease it cirBlech

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june feels so far away

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:36 AM

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I get my pay rise in June, might see if I can get my friends in on RoR 2 to help out with this speed

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Because the community clearly needs more people ;P xD

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:37 AM

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This place used to be more active but slowly over time we lost active players, i'[m sure some will come back once there's more content

livid vine May 3, 2019, 7:38 AM

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is it possible to do team trials?

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:38 AM

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Hopefully.
Is there a list of movement tricks for all the classes? Just thinking like, I learned the engi can charge mines whilst running, using crystals to fly jump, all could help get the time down.

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Not yet, we hope they'll add it.

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 7:44 AM

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arti can charge m2 and sprint (also makes it easier to aim) and if you hold M1 you can sprint after the first fireball and keep sprinting. Mult can also charge raingun and sprint, can also load a shot and use shift to shoot while in racecar mode

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you can spam sprint on commando while holding M1 to basically shoot while sprinting

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you can play merc if you hate yourself

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spam jump a lot as sometimes you can get a decent boost by hitting odd terrain

grave forum May 3, 2019, 7:53 AM

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I don't play those classes, but give them a go sometime

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 8:26 AM

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Not that amazing, but useful to know (if you didn't already)

If you need to get up high with huntress,, you can jump, R (4th ability), look up and shift (movement ability).
You can deny all fall damage on Huntress if you use shift (or R) before hitting the ground.
Using M2 will give you more horizontal air-time (useful if you're falling just short) - also slows down vertical movement.

grave forum May 3, 2019, 9:59 AM

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I knew about most but the M2 delay wasn't something I'd thought of as a viable movement option. Does it cancel fall damage or just give you a drift before hurtling into the ground?

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 2:45 PM

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both

rocky geyser May 3, 2019, 2:51 PM

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whats the top time rn?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:43 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/419602844 current wr

Twitch

2:11.93 arti

iforgotwho - Risk of Rain 2 - Twitch

▶ Play video

white frost May 3, 2019, 4:49 PM

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Hahaha

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Using the prong on the teleporter for cover

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People can go fuck themselves with their "but what if there's NO COVER?!?"

maiden fossil May 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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is the most important thing on the trials the time?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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thats what its all about

white frost May 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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That's the only metric people are ranked by

maiden fossil May 3, 2019, 4:51 PM

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oh i see

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 4:52 PM

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not mine

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wrong channel

modest drum May 3, 2019, 5:07 PM

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@slim lintel but... how did someone get 30 secs

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:08 PM

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www.cheat-engine.gov

modest drum May 3, 2019, 5:12 PM

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@slim lintel youre still not WR tho right? or are all top 4 proven cheaters?

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like 2:03 and 1:41 doesnt seem that unplausable

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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no way a huntress/merc/commando are getting those times legit

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those classes suck in trials

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if they were mult/arti it would be plausible but unlikely without video proof

modest drum May 3, 2019, 5:13 PM

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really commando is that bad?

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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commando is probably the worst

modest drum May 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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I thought engi was best 😄

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:14 PM

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Nah, for PT arti/mult are the best because they have good dps and long range snipe damage for crystals

grave forum May 3, 2019, 5:44 PM

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Gonna give the new trial a shot!

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 5:45 PM

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gl

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 8:36 PM

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this one's made for arti

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 8:38 PM

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wouldn't go that far, the vagrant fights are hell

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 8:41 PM

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well, huntress can't even use 4th ability against them

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 8:47 PM

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can barely use flamethrower on the first one

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 8:51 PM

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😮 i got boosted forward by the healer drone when activating it while standing on it

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 8:56 PM

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cirThink huh I messed around with using drones as an elevator/boost a while back and couldnt really get anything going

toxic niche May 3, 2019, 8:56 PM

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i was suprised too, it was about 10-15m (based on wax quail)

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 9:03 PM

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yea its possible but random

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 10:16 PM

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@slim lintel lol im so mad rn i would've beaten your time but my brain turned off and i didnt enter the teleporter

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 10:17 PM

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typical mult main, having to reboot brain

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 10:17 PM

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tbh it's better than not having a brain at all

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 10:17 PM

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dont need a brain when you got the egg Artificer

cyan stratus May 3, 2019, 10:20 PM

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only way i can beat your time is if the hermit crab spawns near portal and drops a bandolier

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btw what are the world events s2? one of them is a jellyfish which is useless but i haven't gotten the other one

slim lintel May 3, 2019, 10:23 PM

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I got beetles in a pretty early attempt