awesome, just tried and it works. thanks for the tip!
#prismatic-trials
vale steppe
clever orchid
As far as we're aware, theres no way to set the seed of your run
or influence it in any way
cyan stratus
at least that makes it harder to cheat a run, that's good i guess
frosty heath
yeah noticed that myself when i practiced mult today for like 2-3hrs, got 2:22 down from 2:30+ just by being clean with that. what i also noticed is that double jumping actually not slowing u down, strange but whatever 😄
cyan stratus
yeah you get nice muscle memory after doing that for a while
cyan stratus
oh this new trial is interesting
toxic niche
such a long one
charred idol
Can you PLEASE not use the term "world record'? It's very misleading and assumes that the video posted is the fastest time, where in fact someone else could have a faster, unrecorded version. Could you please use the term BKTWVEAAAVBMOFSRC (best known time with video evidence as approved and verified by members of the speed running community) in the future. This would help lower confusion in these types of videos in regard to the ever updating and evolving nature of the speedrunning community.
cyan stratus
is that a copypasta
unique trail
i would hope so
cyan stratus
yeah i just saw that acronym that's a copypasta lmao
i did get a legitimate complaint on one of my videos because i called it a wr w/proof lol
charred idol
can you really consider it a speedrun if you use glitches though
cyan stratus
of course not, everyone knows every speedrun needs to be glitchless and complete the game 100% for it to count
toxic niche
gl with trial and gn
charred idol
This is noteworthy because...Oh wait, it isn't. this chat title should be "people wasting life cheating in a video game."
(sorry ill stop copypasta now)
cyan stratus
are you copypasting comments from a comment section under a speedrun
charred idol
nah there are several compendiums of good ones
proven tapir
dis some advanced shit posting, but i think we didn't see the start of the joke
charred idol
bandit isn't in this game, clearly you're also a cheater
proven tapir
i also don't play prismatic trials as a result
cyan stratus
then why are you here (^:
cyan stratus
i think half of our traffic is people misclicking :(
charred idol
ok shitposting aside, i'd like to keep prismatic trials as they are, but also have a seperate isaac-style seeded daily run that you get 1 shot at.
cyan stratus
what if you die
charred idol
you go on the leaderboard and your friends laugh at you
charred idol
well yeah
not really a speedrun setting. but it's also more interesting to a subset of people
cyan stratus
anyone else routing this trial rn?
reef tartan
Trying to get top Merc time...
cyan stratus
merc is really hard for trials
but the capacitor s2 might help with the crystals lol
reef tartan
Beetle mother boss instead of dune.
cyan stratus
dunestrider is so rng dependent..
reef tartan
It's directly under spawn stg1
cyan stratus
gotta go 1/4 -> 0hp so it doesn't heal
reef tartan
look over edge.
reef tartan
It is. But Blazing Dune for merc is no go
cyan stratus
i imagined
you can probably go 1100->0hp with crit capacitor and some attacks while it's doing it's up atk
but even with glasses only 11%
reef tartan
If he goes into SUCK though... I have get get the lucky crit.
cyan stratus
no, he only heals below 1/4hp
and he can't cancel his current attack (except stationary bombs) to do it
so when he goes up to launch tar at you you can go below 1/4
reef tartan
Mmm I see.
drowsy jetty
they should let merc crystal jump somehow : (
cyan stratus
i've heard rumors of people crystal jumping with merc but unless someone uploads a video i doubt them
i've tried exactly 2 times and concluded it's impossible
here's my current route if anyone's interested idk https://youtu.be/v_Cyt65CHMs
reef tartan
Sick flicks ma lad.
cyan stratus
you should see my other video lol
cyan stratus
probably
slim lintel
merc can only crystal jump with tri tip or a different kind of proc so its not reliable at all
vale steppe
Are the sub-2minute times cheating, or is there some route for this new prismatic that I don't know yet?
cyan stratus
cheating
i mean maybe sub 2 is possible somehow
but the huntress with 1:03 for example
vale steppe
I'm routing the same way you are @cyan stratus , you're just a lot better at the jump shots then me 😛
cyan stratus
ehh idk if my route is any good
vale steppe
It's the best I've come up with so far too, heh.
cyan stratus
i'm back home now, guess i'll try routing a bit more
slim lintel
anyone able to survive first boss as arti? theres waaaaay too many wisps that spawn
cyan stratus
feelsbadman
slim lintel
yeeeaaah arti gang is gonna sit this one out
gaunt wing
I managed to survive a few times, but arti feels like shit on this trial compared to based MUL-T
slim lintel
I got it once but really don't feel like messing around with it
white frost
@clever orchid there is a way to seed runs, but a few updates ago it was locked off from the game
you can re-open it through modding
normally it'd be "pregame_set_seed" then "pregame_start_run".
The effort of doing it is so small, and speedrunners are already blessed and encouraged to edit files, if only the savefile, that if I were to run the category I'd just do it and not even feel bad about it
I honestly think the category should go further and encourage run seeds so people can be on even footing, then also mod the game to make teleport timers poof so the category gets some variation and speedrunners needs to master a larger set of skills
but by that point it's just prismatic trials with extra steps
like someone would put those changes in a mod and it'd be the speedrunning mod
clever orchid
Out of curiosity since you said its possible through cheats, what does it look like when you actually start the run?
is it started through the console or started like normal?
white frost
that's a good question, I haven't seen it
I assume it boots up the survivor selector, at whic hpoint you can close the console and start recording
clever orchid
Also in general regarding seeded runs, this concept was actually something I pushed for in another roguelike speedrun and by and large there was zero runners after months of it being on the leaderboards. Seeded runs just arent fun to run because they get optimized instantly and they become less about your ability to think on your feet and adapt and more about bland routing
vast timber
Yeah i was waiting to see ur stance on it, I would personally never run it
clever orchid
From that anecdote alone I'll never support it again since it just completely and totally flopped
it just has no place
white frost
hm
full cloud
But if you randomize the run its not skill based its rng based
clever orchid
and the point of speedruns isnt to play on a modded game, we even had RoRml for the first game and we still didnt run on it and no one really wanted to
white frost
maybe the prismatic trial route only works because the seed changes pretty frequently
clever orchid
@full cloud Thats wholly not true, a random person couldnt pull off a sub 9 in ror1 with no skill in running the game
and @white frost thats entirely the reason why prismatic trials works
full cloud
No but ror1 had glass and bandit this is ror2
clever orchid
Thank you for your insight, glass and bandit has nothing to do with whether or not speedrunning roguelikes are skill or luck based
If its all luck, then you should be able to go get the top spot on spelunky, dead cells, ror2, and necrodancer with a few lucky runs
vast timber
Yeah thinking there isnt skill involved just because there is some rng involved is something
full cloud
You are completely missing my poimt here
clever orchid
By all means, tell me what I dont know
full cloud
I never included random people into my argument, you did
If the top2 speedrnners did a randomized run in ror2 it would be up to items and what boss you got as some simple take more time to kill than others while if this was ror1 bandit and glass makes the concept less random as routing matters more, and if i recall ror1 was seeded run
vast timber
it was not
clever orchid
literally zero categories in ror1 were seeded
vast timber
Ror1 is arguably more reset heavy since u pretty much need an active item first stage
full cloud
If it was mario 64 the deciding factor would be skill and rng manipulation , in ror2 you'd have to make up for bad rnf with skill while in mario 64 rng manipulation was a skill in and of itself
clever orchid
you're comparing different genres here
one is strict routing and execution, the other rewards game knowledge and the ability to adapt to slightly varying situations
we dont do one single run and call it a day, youll see the spectrum of variance within a day of running
we dont do races
white frost
I'm looking through the mod shop to see if I could find one unlocking the console commands
full cloud
But if i get a better item than you i increase damage output by 25% and just win
clever orchid
false
white frost
I get the argument against seeded runs but what about making the 50% of the run that's currently set in stone into a challenge?
vast timber
wym by challenge
white frost
teleporter takes 1 minutes to charge or however much
that means the runner has no need or incentive to fight well, just kill the boss wtihin one minute
clever orchid
So we've talked about what we would want done to the teleporter, and I dont think completing the teleporter charge instantly when you kill the boss is a good idea
vast timber
We agreed already that insta boss tp would do nothing but introduce way more rng
full cloud
Well if its trials telwporter is done if boss dies
clever orchid
because that increases the variance into being which boss did you roll (notably titan on stage 4 vs worm and imp)
vast timber
For instance in a few of my runs ive gotten stage 1 preon
clever orchid
this isnt trials so we dont care
white frost
Ah, that's a good point actually
clever orchid
The best solution we've come up with is open the chest lock and tele zone when you kill the boss
so you have the abillity to kill things and buy more items
making the run engaging while not introducing more variance
similar to how ror1 worked
full cloud
Ur in prismatic trials channel but its not prismqtic trials? Get out
white frost
shush you, this is an interesting talk
clever orchid
lol
white frost
for the main game, I'm fairly sure the chests are locked to specifically not give an advantage to characters who can melt bosses
like if the teleporter poofed or you could open chests as soon as teh boss was dead, artificere would be the toppest tier no question
vast timber
I just thought it was a quickplay thing to make sure u arent punished for contributing to tele
clever orchid
I've been under the impression that chests are locked to stop people from killing and looting while their teammates are killing the boss
white frost
oh that makes sense too
clever orchid
forcing everyone to contribute
so once the boss is dead, why not open the zone and the lock again
but still have the timer
Just a thought
white frost
In my mind it was to give commando a fighting chance because how garbage he is would become immediately apparent when he's still plinking at wandering vagrant while everyone else has already looted every chest and moved on two maps
clever orchid
Ideally I'd rather have all the characters at the same power level
full cloud
well for one what are you arguing/discussing about to begin with
white frost
I think slow but steady characters is a fine goal, if the game didn't specifically punish you for it
full cloud
they cant be as every character has different strenghts and playstyles otherwise there'd be no point to having different characters
vast timber
Purpose of chest lock/ the zone
clever orchid
I mean its hard to think of what commando actually accels at though
but really thats off topic
full cloud
imean if you're talking about speedrunning that is supposed to be ''balanced'' for every character its on topic since it matters to the discussion
clever orchid
Anyways, @white frost If you know how to get that seed cheat working, I'd appreciate it so I cant know what it looks like if people try to pull it in a submission
full cloud
since i dont actually know what you are discussing i cant raelly say
clever orchid
speedrunning cannot and will not be balanced for every character
thats not what we were talking about
full cloud
then tell me what you are talking about
vast timber
Just go back and read, think they are done
white frost
I'll try to scrounge it up
Commando excels at uh
procs at long-rang I guess
considering how item-based this game is, that's actually not bad but it gives him a very slow start
full cloud
imean i believe the original point was the seed mod or w/e
which just means as you later said prismatic trials with more steps
white frost
https://thunderstore.io/package/Morris1927/RoR2Cheats/ probably gonna be this one
clever orchid
would you mind verifying that it works
I really want to avoid putting any sort of cheat engine on my game for integrities sake
ripe lantern
it does work
clever orchid
for setting a seed?
ripe lantern
Yes, even persists through resetting runs
white frost
checkign it now
vast timber
does it visibly change anything, or is it literally a normal run with pre set loot and spawns
white frost
I have a seed I saved for later when i t gave me 3 goddamn alien heads in the first two levels
ripe lantern
white frost
the "singleplayer" options displays "NEW" for me now
ripe lantern
dunno why
white frost
it didn't use to do that, I'm not sure how fruitful asking runners t o start recording on title would be
ripe lantern
as you can see in the vid, it does that for me too
white frost
what's that console input again
ripe lantern
I input "seed 1"
full cloud
De pends on what you actually want to achieve if its fruitful
What does the seed affect etc
Hf
white frost
you'll get the same levels again
so if you get a run wit hamazing drops and close teleporters you can save the seed, then practice it to get a better run still on it
clever orchid
yeah seeds are obviously a massive and unfair advantage
white frost
if I were to exploit seeds I'd go further
I'd look into how the game's level generation works, then reverse engineer the best seed
ripe lantern
It affects stage rng, such as maps, chests, interactibles and bossrewards
afaik minecraft speedrun also uses seed
white frost
by the way, now that time stops inside portals, do yo uguys use an external clock for speedruns?
clever orchid
some categories do I'm pretty sure, but I'm not involved in minecraft speedrunning
We use RTA now after the change
ripe lantern
rta is best tbh
clever orchid
So why does singleplayer show NEW in your video
but none of the characters are highlighted
ripe lantern
Think that's an issue with the modloader
clever orchid
Is there a way to remove it? like enter singleplayer and leave?
clever orchid
one more question
since the seed persists in the example you showed me, is it possible to make the seed only occur one time and then instantly expire the next time you start a game? or is it set to that seed until you do something in the console?
ripe lantern
not that I know of, I haven't messed with it a ton
I thoguht I could maybe use it to test movement with, but it turned out I'm really bad at exciting the pod
unkempt ridge
is there a 57 leaf clover in one of the boxes in this prismatic trial, i just beat stage 20(my last achievement) and i want to put the dang thing in my log book so it can be complete
white frost
there was one in the previous not sure about this one
proper flume
there was a trial a while ago that took all of like 10 seconds to get a clover
white frost
Oh there's a new prismatic!
And second is aqueduct so I can help people unlock the bands again
zenith plinth
Jesus this trial was so much harder than the last one
Bandolier and the zap active item are like the only 2 worth getting in the entire trial 
white frost
they did it again!
one of the plates in this prismatic has a pot right next to it
I figured I'd make a clip of pressing both buttons to help people who haven't done the challenge yet
i'mma do it with commando
just fininshing the trial is easy, there's litereally a fungus printer in mission 2
still scouting, nothing spectucular so far
backup mag on the way to the teleporter probably makes a difference for many survivors that aren't robots or able to deploy robots
here's the other one, sneaky little shit
@woven atlas you're missing the temple, right?
You said you hadn't looked at challenges so I assume so
zenith plinth
what do the plates do?
drowsy jetty
open the cave
zenith plinth
which cave?
zenith plinth
why would someone go out of his way to open a cave in a prismatic trial?
drowsy jetty
achievement
white frost
the buttons are in the same place every time
so by finding them, I can help people who just need to unlock the challenge
torpid raptor
The hero we dont deserve orz
slim lintel
ok how did cabbage get the duneshitter to no do the succ
drowsy jetty
something something it cant engage succ in the middle of another attack/animation??
frosty heath
i did it as well and i rly do think it's all about the burst damage, if it's not then it's random and good luck everyone 😄
also had a slower run where he succ but i killed him through that (mult again), he started the succ while he was @5%
but yeah it feels like when you pump a certain amount of burst dmg he doesnt succ, i might be wrong tho but had a couple of runs where he did not succ, just sayin
4sec slower than cabbage tho, i'm done with trying i donn't like this trial 😅
white frost
I know two ways of avoiding it
The first is to jump up high so he does the tall boi, then burst him dead
The other one is. I dunno? He crouches in to succ, then beeps, then nothing
I think it happens when there's nothing in the vicinity to feed on, so you need to clear all nearby enemies and get out of range yourself
zenith plinth
@white frost fungus printer makes trial easy for eng-
white frost
Sure does
next lava
me after spending 4 hours doing the trail 🛏 🚶
cyan stratus
@slim lintel see when its around 1/4hp in my video i kinda stop shooting and move side to side while jumping
i wait for it to go up so that it cant heal while doing that atk
only heal below 1/4hp
here's the video btw https://youtu.be/v_Cyt65CHMs
cyan stratus
btw huntress can beat mult
just gotta get god bandolier rng
also, the newt altar path is very interesting but i don't think it's faster
if anyone else wants to route that, it has an ocular hud which works well with predatory instincts but i still think the time wasted doesn't make it worth
white frost
Jesus engineer can crystal boost pretty high
I think I can straight up use it as an elevator in roost
cyan stratus
no way, really?
i recently found commando can crystal boost really high
i think mul-t is just the only one that can't
white frost
I'm gonna have to tweak the jump but o first try i was head level with the teleport using the crystal at the bottom
Apparently merc isn't amazing at it either
cyan stratus
yeah i forgot that guy
does a bandolier drop have to be collected? or does it automatically reset the cooldowns
white frost
Yeah he makes it all the fucking up just need to reach the few meters horizontally
You have to collect it
It's got a little bit of vaacum
Aw man the crystals in aqueduct are really far off
pulsar oriole
Bandolier drops act kinda like wurm tooth necklace drops
white frost
I think what I'll do is get the two in the back, pick up the capacitor, strike a third with capacitor
slim lintel
thats what I did when I was trying but arti just feels like ass this trial and mult looks even more boring than usual
slim lintel
I can beat s1 as fast/faster than you even picking up the backup mag and the crystal jump elevator is fun but the first boss is way too inconsistent for me to bother
white frost
I'm not doing the elevator anyway
Seems difficult and I wanna show off engineer dropping mines from the bridge instead
Why elevator up when I can just walk there on the Cliffside
If I started in the cave it'd be a different story
cyan stratus
so you can grab bandolier and m2x2
slim lintel
I tried huntress and didnt enjoy it this trial at all
cyan stratus
well you dont seem to get a lot of enjoyment from anything
huntress is fun this trial
slim lintel
I have a deep seated hatred for the roost and duneshitters
white frost
I'm considering feeding the fungus printer, might be needed since it's a blazing dunestrider but probably I should just shield
I'm on pace for well under 3:30 as long as I don't die but we'll see how much I can tweak this
tulip yacht
I'm with you on the distant roost hate. It's my least favorite map, and I spend about 3 minutes too long on DR than I do on TP
slim lintel
I hate roost 'cause I feel like theres only 3 items there compared to getting 6-7 on titanic plains
slim lintel
you should do another mult run where you collateral through the titan and hit a bird in the distance
peak cape
Alright, this new prismatic trial is tilting lol. Can't get past rank 145 lol.
peak cape
Who are you using to push right now?
cyan stratus
the only viable character for prismatic trials of course, 
although someone did beat it with huntress in 40 seconds so i've got that going for me
anyone have a link to the latest version of cheat engine?
peak cape
Jesus lol..
cyan stratus
hey @white frost , resident theorycrafter, why does titan laser sometimes track you while you sprint and other times lag behind
white frost
I always consistently dodge the laser if:
- I'm close enough when the tracking starts.
- I start sprinting right away in a circle around the titan
You've gotta start asap and be close enough from the get go
Only then do you have sufficient speed
Nrg and hoofs let's you be a bit further away and get away with it
But it has to be a circle and you can't dawdle at all
I'm at 3:47 with engineer, but I'm just getting started
3:30 is my goal
Is there a lensmaker?
cyan stratus
yes
white frost
I don't need to oneshot him though, just skip his 25%
white frost
How is crit capacitor 840 when non crit capacitor is 744
white frost
550
cyan stratus
white frost
engie has 14 base damage and MUL-T has 11
white frost
so he's stronger with use items, at least until MUL-T stacks two of them
cyan stratus
who has the highest base dmg?
drowsy jetty
engi
white frost
engineer
but his turrets have even more, at 19
ideally engineer should give the capacitor to his turrets
cyan stratus
they should make turrets equip held items
white frost
MUL-T has the lowest at 11, everyone else has 12
cyan stratus
ok well if you're seriously attempting engi i'll also try, i'll do anything for some competition
see i knew mult is the hardest character to play
white frost
oh good, Reto chickened out
white frost
I'm thinking my route needs more items because killing the boss is slowsauce
cyan stratus
there's energy drink and ap if you wanna go up the ramp south from spawn
white frost
gonna do a second scouting to look for any damage items at all
cyan stratus
there's tons of ap bullets scattered around
cyan stratus
use the compass
white frost
the fucking what
cyan stratus
white frost
oh you're making japes
cyan stratus
i just mean south from tp
white frost
makes sense
white frost
well
you can sprint after clicking M1, so you move with th grenades
but yo ucan't cook them for too long or they just launch on their own
good grenading means you have to time your charge just right
the mines are strong AF, exactly 5 to kill a crystal or a grenade salvo and 2 mines
he crystal boosts like mad, as mentioned
your turrets are I wanna say half your damage, you wanna mash them into the boss if possible
on the titan I put them inside his foot and use the shield when he's half health to block the meteorites, they can otherwise tank hium
cyan stratus
just got a 1:31 pause s1 is that good
white frost
turrets are based on the moment you put them out, if you level up when the turret is deployed it won't level with you, you have to re-deploy
that's about what I get
cyan stratus
the turrets spent 10sec killing stuff and wasting time after teleporter activation though can i stop that
near jasper
what the fuck
white frost
I actually got 1:36 in my best total so probably you dont need any more advice
near jasper
BLAZING CLAY DUNESTRIDER
white frost
if you activate challange of the mountain yo uget two shock dunestriders instead
if shield cancel was still a thing that'd probably be the optimal route
cyan stratus
don't base your time on what rank you are, there's tons of hackers
base it on what time you get instead
white frost
it's literally 20 seconds each way to get that AP round, there's no fucking way that's gonna be worth
did you do the crystal jump or just drop mines?
only item I could see worth it in roost is that bandolier but then I've gotta crystal jump
cyan stratus
yeah i crystal jump
got a nice 1:20 pause
pace for 3:20 but dunestrider randomly killed me
also i messed up and capacitor'd a lemurian instead of a crystal so uhh
white frost
yeah guess crystal jumping is the better way then
near jasper
got raped by 2 blazing @white frost
white frost
oh
I guess I got shock striders because it was my scouting run and I was 10 minutes in
peak cape
Hmm nice, 1:24 time on first phase. Fucked up second though.
cyan stratus
what char you using?
peak cape
Artifcier.
cyan stratus
interesting
cyan stratus
may the best engi win
peak cape
I need to figure out what I can do to increase my survivability on the strider.
I get pretty close to finishing off with about a 3:25 but end up dying.
Freaking fire damage.
cyan stratus
yeah if you get hit once it's over
peak cape
Especially as the Artificer. x.x
cyan stratus
have you tried not getting hit?
peak cape
Honestly that's the best soloution.
cyan stratus
yeah that's how i got my 2:31
peak cape
Mmf, I need to take a break. Getting slightly annoyed lol.
woven atlas
if it makes you feel any better
i still haven't managed to finish a single trial run
i killed the strider at 3:00 but died in the process
cyan stratus
have you tried playing mult
woven atlas
that was my best attempt
playing mult i'm saying
you should keep in mind we are plebs who weren't pro CSGO players
so for example i can't jump snipe crystals reliably
cyan stratus
i recommend a mechanical keyboard, feels nice
white frost
I have one!
woven atlas
i don't 😦
cyan stratus
also the redragon perdition mouse is cheap and has 12 side buttons
as well as adjustable dpi if you're into that
woven atlas
but what are/were you a pro at?
cyan stratus
i'm pretty good at minesweeper
woven atlas
i was very good at that too
cyan stratus
and although i dont know my opening theory i can play a nice game of chess
white frost
shit I'm bad at chess
woven atlas
this vegetable is making fun of us
cyan stratus
anyone wanna play me? add me on lichess, i'm cabbage123
woven atlas
i don't do chess
white frost
3:30 is looking really far off
woven atlas
i can do MTG
white frost
I guess predatory alone gives a 5% chhance of crit
cyan stratus
yeah it does
i'm on pace for 3:15 if i feel like it i think
but these turrets are tilting me
drowsy jetty
youre protecting the enemies from the turrets right?
drowsy jetty
unfortunate
cyan stratus
but reto to answer your question i'm not a 'pro' at any game
remember, the only attempt you're seeing is the one i choose to upload
you have no idea what kind of garbage goes on behind the scenes
woven atlas
well you are clearly good at aiming and shooting
those things don't really happen randomly
white frost
yeah I can do 3:15 I feel like
I just died at 2:45 with strider half dead
critglasses are right in the path I'm taking, I just need to grind a groove
cyan stratus
i play overwatch
well, used to
but that's about it in terms of fps
and it was very casually, never got past 3700 or so
woven atlas
well then idk what to say
peak cape
REE, freaking strider had 100 health.
cyan stratus
what's the optimal bomb+m2 dps cycle?
white frost
I guess in theory you wanna maximize the amount of mines in a dump
since doing any skill cancels your grenade charge
but if you wait until you have 8 minues and 7 mines would've killed the boss I guess you waite dtoo long?
This is only the second time I speedrun with this guy I don't actually have a clue
I'm gonna try for 3:15 now that you've put it on the table
what the hell titan just walked away from my turrets
cyan stratus
3:21.17 on a theorycraft run lmao
white frost
oh fucks sake
cyan stratus
i was testing angles to jump into tar pits
and wasted a literal 10sec
also i grabbed gasoline instead of glasses on accident
so i'm just saying there's plenty of room for improvement
woven atlas
engi new meta
cyan stratus
if any mvmt speed ability definitely
woven atlas
yea
today i did a run where i had so many mov speed boosts that i was running laps around the map in seconds
was pretty glorious and unusual
cyan stratus
btw zeddy on my 3:21 i skipped the heal
but it looks like that's gonna be very hard to replicate since you can't stop the turrets from getting it below 1/4
white frost
I haven't touched any heals in my run
cyan stratus
the dunestrider heal you goblin
white frost
oh that way
yeah my 3:22 I managed to break through it as well
I'm gonna have to look at wtf I did
adds like 20 seconds to the fight if you don't skip it
cyan stratus
well no it didn't start in the first place
white frost
yeah
he just didn't do it, spammed bombs insteaed
i don't know how I'm supposed to replicate that
cyan stratus
he only heals when below 1/4 hp and not in the 'upwards' attack
white frost
I think I may be looking at placing turrets farther away so there isn't enemies for him to eat
he wasn't even upwards
white frost
he retracted down at like half health
then he jkust kinda stood there like an idiot and ate my bombs
cyan stratus
hmmm
white frost
then he did a bombspam then he diede
should I upload this fight have I discovvered something important
white frost
I think it's the way I placed the turrets
they're pretty far from dunestrider, and with where I was standing enemies were gonna spawn so that whenever one did, the turrets would shift attention
this is bad with titan, but since dunestrider just doesn't bother if there's nothing to eaet, you can prevent the move entirely
I'm gonna try to replicate
woven atlas
cabbage you might not know this
cyan stratus
enemies spawn at every side
cyan stratus
i figured as much
woven atlas
he's a mad gaming scientist
white frost
yeah I reproduced it
put the turrets outside of suction range and have them kill enemies, lets you kill boss faster
I did use to dig into SK, that MMO I told you about the other day
but Harb and Seud has this game covered in spades so whatever
woven atlas
who?
cyan stratus
got a nice 3:12 but the turrets again wasted like 5sec killing stuff
white frost
in #theorycrafting there's two guys in particular who pokes at hte game's inner workiings
Harb will do tests, Seud usually datamines
woven atlas
ohh
white frost
I'll beat your 3:12, I've hardly warmed up
cyan stratus
i'll beat my 3:12 too
but nah i don't think the dunestrider thing you mentioned is viable
i'm gonna go ahead and not
cyan stratus
i fall into the pit on purpose
peak cape
Oh?
cyan stratus
yeah
peak cape
I think I am just going to call it good on 3:21 to be honest. Don't think my brain can handle trying to push harder.
cyan stratus
try a different character?
peak cape
I switch between Engineer, Artificer, and robot boi.
But I just need a break in general for a couple hours.
white frost
ughhh
he had 100 hp left before doing his bullshit move
suddenly 5 enemies spawned all at once
the turret thing is working but I also need a crit
cyan stratus
got a scuffed 3:08 while i wasn't recording because i'm stupid
woven atlas
i just got a different boss
cyan stratus
you did what
cyan stratus
yea ok dude i'm not grinding 1/100 again
white frost
3:19, at least a personal best
cyan stratus
do you grab ap?
woven atlas
what's the strategy with the dunestrider?
cyan stratus
you get its hp to 0 and then enter the teleporter
white frost
no, should I?
woven atlas
koreanadvice
white frost
I guess it's pretty close
woven atlas
is there a semi-reliable way to skip the heal part?
white frost
I can do the suction skip super consistently I'm one crit away from crushing your time
woven atlas
how do you skip?
white frost
okay so I do this
I stand here, next to one turret, and put the other turret on the hill
all of us are outside his suction range, and the turrets will gun down any enemies so that no enemies exist to be in suction range
with nothing to eat, he doesn't try
woven atlas
makes sense
white frost
but enemies can randomly spawn within eating range, you need to damage him fast
woven atlas
what is your port time on s1?
woven atlas
video or it didn't happen
cyan stratus
i get anywhere between 1:20 and 1:25 on pause
i'll go get sub3 and then put up a video idk
i think i got 1:19 on pause that time i dont remember though
white frost
oof
cyan stratus
have a p consistent strat though
zeddy you're wasting time btw doing w.e you're doing with those turrets
white frost
wait which AP rounds
white frost
yeah but where
cyan stratus
s2
white frost
I thought they were behind the teleporter but that's syringe nad some other stuff
I suspect my S2 route is shit
white frost
sure, I'll watch it
cyan stratus
ok see you in 2 hours because my internet sucks
white frost
what time do you hit the teleporter
cyan stratus
there's 2
cyan stratus
2nd one? to actiavate?
white frost
yeah
cyan stratus
i hit mine on late 2:30 for my 3min
white frost
yeah then my route is shit
cyan stratus
i go out of the way for bullets though
white frost
do you not go backwards for the lensmaker and 2 crystals?
cyan stratus
yeah i do
white frost
20% boss damagee sounds pretty important, but I forget where they are
white frost
oh hm
white frost
other side of the pit?
cyan stratus
yeah over there
white frost
oh yeah that terminal
that's really far off, what kinda movement magic are you pulling
cyan stratus
use your roll to go faster
white frost
oh cabbage
cyan stratus
also place a turret for lv4 incase you're not doing that
brb gonna go toast some bread
white frost
lv4? I'm hitting level 5
cyan stratus
wtf
white frost
Maybe I'm deviating at too many canisters
cyan stratus
i just realized i grab bandolier out of habit
white frost
I'm actually gonna try placing my turrets away from the titan in s1, when I did that I got 1:25 pause
cyan stratus
that wastes some time
wasted more than 0.43 of a second that's for sure
hmm so lv5 is possible? i guess i'm wasting xp by grabbing the bandolier too
woven atlas
How's merc's dps?
white frost
I hit level 4 just by entering the teleport
cyan stratus
yea i grab bandolier
white frost
5 is possible but it's a struggle
merc's dps is not the greatest but I wanna say a bit better than engineer
may be talking out my butt
cyan stratus
no
white frost
well I got the crit royal
but my route in s2 is still bad, I can't break 2:45 at all
and I messed up my turret anyway
the crit is neaerly half his health
cyan stratus
ok i uploaded it but forgot to cut out 1min of footage
so now it's another like 20min lol
zeddy whats ur pb now>
white frost
just got 3:09
I'm not sure I can challenge you at this rate, but the 3:09 is full of problems I know I can avoid I just have a hard time hitting every note in a single run
also didn't get a crit
6am, wife's gonna be mad
cyan stratus
got a nice 2:53 with new route
kinda pissed though since i gotta upload it now
it's relatively error-free though so that's nice
cyan stratus
aw cmon dude you can do it 🙃
i just think your route is bad, once i upload you get 2:50
white frost
are there multiple pauses
cyan stratus
the one s1 and the one s2
white frost
the time when you warp out of s1
cyan stratus
also if you press esc it pauses
idk i can check but i think that the turrets were shooting enemies again
white frost
I'm still lucky if I get 1:25 or less but I imagine you hav it down
cyan stratus
1:14.28
white frost
counterintuitively, I move the turrets away on the titan so it kills enemies during the fight
this reduces teleport delay
cyan stratus
yeah i should follow your strat instead
white frost
1:14 what
cyan stratus
.28
white frost
how'd you shave 10 seconds of s1
cyan stratus
that bandolier, man
white frost
you didn't spend 10 seconds picking up a bandcolier get out of here
cyan stratus
yeah dude
i open the chest, wait 10sec for it to pop out and grab it
picking up items takes time when you can just go fast instead
tired niche
white frost
I just did a 3:12, which is worse than my PB of 3:09 but sitll felt like my best run
dunestrider died so fast I didn't get to use a second royal capacitor on him
this tells me I should actually be waiting for his health to hit half and hope a crit gets him
I level to 5 during the fight, too
would be greaet to hit it sooner so the turrets could be level 5 with me
capaccitor does 630, a crit would be 1260
cyan stratus
nice job, especially with arti since dies very easily
white frost
Yeah good job man!
white frost
that means you're spending more than 20 seconds in the fight
cyan stratus
yeah what about it
white frost
I killed him faster than that
cyan stratus
at what time
white frost
around 2:36
cyan stratus
with ap ?
white frost
no
cyan stratus
yikes
white frost
I can't route to that thing at all
I told you I'm bad
but this last run I got 3:12, I think you're right I should give up leve l5
cyan stratus
you're not bad, you just have room for improvement 🙃
white frost
I had level 4 the whole fight
yet I killed him under 20 seconds
I'm gonna ignore all enemies in mission 2 since I enter it with lv4 regardless
cyan stratus
i place down a turret for fun
oh wait nvm i do get lv5
but it's only after i kill the clay pot
white frost
wait a minute, that's illegal
cyan stratus
yeah i've had that happen
white frost
I timed my grenade volley to be inside his spawn and he decided to just spawn elsewhere
cyan stratus
it's a nice waste of 2min
white frost
what a dick
cyan stratus
since it's just objectively slower lmao
look on the bright side though, your time was 3:06 so that run was dead anyways
white frost
yeah
I think my biggest timeloss is that crystal jump in the start of s2
you can get sent flying all the way past the tar pit
usually I eithr fail to jump in time entirely, or I jump to soon and get sent mostly upwards
I know I can do a sub 3, but the stars kinda need to align
not sure if I wanna gamble on the crit capacitor or not
I need to see what the heck your route is doing at any rate
I don't touch the AP bullet and you get there way faster than me
so if I just do what you're doing but skip the AP that feels like it should be an easy sub 3, if not an easy win
I also suspect when I upload my run, your time will improve
I go straight up the bridge and drop mines, but I stop to do it
you with your ability to aim gewd and perform stupid stunts like that could probably get those mines on target while moving
cyan stratus
you do a crystal jump?
white frost
no, I just walk up the hill and drop mines from the bridge
cyan stratus
no i mean in s2 my guy
cyan stratus
yeah idk what ur doing
white frost
but I only hit it like 30% of the time
white frost
are you telling me you don't do a crystal jump in s2
white frost
what the hell you don't
i... i can't tell?
that second crystal, you could use it to boost your way back
cyan stratus
but i really dont feel like it
white frost
wait you're doing my turret strat that you said you werne't bothering with
cyan stratus
what
no i just put them there so they focus the clay pot
and the pot takes time walking over instead of doing some other stuff which means it goes up later
cyan stratus
i thought you put two turrets on either side so it kills the enemies
cyan stratus
i do it out of habit
it's just something to do while you have downtime walking from one place to another
slim lintel
just play arti so you can watch netflix/youtube while you walk in a straight line 
👌
slim lintel
cyan stratus
@toxic niche how's huntress this trial?
white frost
hm yeah okay
gonna have to conceded that my bridge route just pisses away like 5-10 seconds in just moving sideways
it's a shame it looks really cool
I just aim at absolutely nothing and drop 5 mines for seemingly no reason, then while i stroll further 2 crystals blow up
cyan stratus
@slim lintel is 1:15 pause s1 for arti good 👀
also yeah zeddy that sounds cool but you really can't beat the crystal jump
white frost
I guess the crystal jump looks cool too
slim lintel
I think I was getting 1:07~
cyan stratus
oh
white frost
broke my PB right away with crystal boost route, would've been by more but I messed up s2
cyan stratus
any huntress runners here? i wanna know if a 3:20 is good
3:00.98 as huntress, might be able to compete with engi lol
zenith plinth
How does that crystal jump work yallt talking about?
cyan stratus
only works for some characters
zenith plinth
Just get boosted by the explosion?
zenith plinth
Just tried a prismatic trial for the first time ever, didn't know its that short so i used mercenary
yikes
cyan stratus
doesn't work for merc
zenith plinth
Yeah merc is stupid for short runs anyways
white frost
naw, I'm calling it
fucking 9 in the morning
I could break 3 minutes with your route and just fucking up less and getting lucky
but your time would still be astronomically out of range
gonna put up a video of the best I got with my level 5 route instead
don't really see the point of having one with a crappy execution of your route
sorry I couldn't be the challenger you need
where is Aleks anyway
white frost
the crystal jump in s2 is pointless, it only boosts you back to where you're standing if yo ujust don't approach it in the first place and pick it off with 'nades from distance
but it's in the video anyway
white frost
I'm pretty sure engineer was my best shot as far as survivor specific times go
Who's leading the Artificer race?
cyan stratus
anyone knows bandolier proc rate?
shadow acorn
@cyan stratus https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A2TE8LZb8S9du1bbMABSj3VP_z4gtJoyd_D5p75JMc0/edit?usp=drivesdk
18%
A little more info than what you asked for, but should be useful
zealous plover
18% + 10% per stack
cyan stratus
this prismatic trial only has 1
cyan stratus
anyone gave commando a good attempt this trial?
spiral chasm
most solid run i can achieve would be 3:30-ish otherwise 3:48+ is my point of being stuck
im not very good at this game but i tried atleast
cyan stratus
for which character?
frosty heath
2:29:99 mult, baaad s1 but almost perfect s2 i think
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/417502810
white frost
I tried commando just a bit it was cancer
He would probably improve his run time by spending the 40 seconds running for the AP rounds
frosty heath
yyyeah it would be so awesome with survivor based leaderboards, i'm already starting to lose motivation 😩
ruby moon
best i'll get but im happy to be above 100 at least
cyan stratus
whoa you beat my mult time
time to stop being lazy i guess
3:06 arti is really good tbh
@white frost have you tried huntress? really fun this trial, despite having to rely on rng
ruby moon
probably could get better if i get lucky with crits but that's too inconsistent so i just stop bothering at that point
prismatic trials really added a lot after i started getting bored, nice to compete
cyan stratus
yeah, i really wish they added some anticheat as well as character specific leaderboards
but it's a breath of fresh air after just doing normal runs over and over
proven horizon
How du you peeeps do those fast Arti runs
drowsy jetty
press button big damage : ^ )
frosty heath
@ruby moon yeah it's only nice tho because we can compare stuff here on discord, without it it's just pointless imo because a lot of people are obiously cheating on the leaderboards.
@proven horizon i just started like 2trials ago and the biggest game changer for me was: sprinting between shots aka jump, shoot, sprint repeat as clean as possible. might help you out idk
i'm still inconsistent at it tho 😄
cyan stratus
i saw you didn't go for those sprint snipes on the bridge 👀
you're losing a full 2 seconds you know that right
frosty heath
yeah as i said, very bad s1, i think i lost exactly 2 seconds y
my sens is too low for the sprint+flickshot, sens changes when you press sprint btw, it gets so low and i dont want to go high sens for some trials 😄
cyan stratus
whats your edpi?
frosty heath
i play a lot of fps and i try using the same sens in every one of them, and i'm usually a low sens player yeah 😅
ah interesting ok
cyan stratus
yeah i prefer low but sometimes it's too low
gotta be able to get those flicks y'know
frosty heath
i hate the lower sens when you sprint tho in this game, why? must be a bug
cyan stratus
don't think it's a bug, they would've patched it day1
there's mods you can use to remove but i'm already used to it and i dont wanna mod my game
bc tbh they shouldn't have you be able to do trials with mods on
frosty heath
rly? yeah me neither, never gonna touch mods and all the other stuff
so rip me i guess if i want to keep playing mult 😄
cyan stratus
have you tried huntress and engi this trial? both are interesting
frosty heath
i dislike this trial a lot so nope, just afew hrs in total so far, i think 3-4. checked ur route, copied it and that's it. very stressful in s2
cyan stratus
lol
yeah there's a couple optimizations in my route that i saw you didn't do 👀
so i'm going for your time w/them rn
frosty heath
do it up 😄 i'm way to lazy or rather not motivated enough trying to invent/create stuff on my own.
maybe later when shit gets more serious? if it does some day but not now haha
cyan stratus
good enough for me 👍
i decided to go for the ap rounds, probably not worth but idk
frosty heath
NICE! tried it as well but felt slower, never went for it again
cyan stratus
yeah even though i got a crit capacitor i definitely lost time
also figured out some tech that makes for a faster dunestrider fight
so if you go for my time again i have something else up my sleeve (^:
granite hemlock
so when are prismatic trials up? or am I just blind
granite hemlock
I don't see them in my menu, is the thing
cyan stratus
maybe you have a mod?
cyan stratus
yeah that would make sense
granite hemlock
does having bepinex installed stop it? or just mods
cyan stratus
not sure what that is
white frost
Bepin is a mod loader and to answer the question I have no idea
I haven't tried Huntress this trial, and I'm trying not to burn out on it
New trial every 3 days is already a pretty high rate
cyan stratus
it's good fun though, sometimes you get 4 bandolier drops and other times you get 0
meaning i finish stage 1 anywhere between 1:15 and 1:30
white frost
Oof
The trial where I used Huntress there want a bandolier and I relied on crit arrow rain instead
granite hemlock
welp
tried to disable my mods to do a trial and ended up corrupting my save, woohoo
cyan stratus
👍
frosty heath
hehe na don't worry 
not gonna try to beat ur time, very unlikely on this trial, not fun enough for me at least. have some other games to play 😅
tribal heron
mods dont touch your save so no clue how you did that and yes bepinex automatically disables trials and quickplay
near jasper
how the fuck do i beat this clay dunestrider asshole
robust tendon
Prolly shoot it
slim lintel
ruby sand
engineer
zenith plinth
i beat it as artificer
pulsar oriole
hit it till it dies
dark tendon
robust granite
I mean, engineer has no dash...
cyan stratus
true, mult is faster but engineer is easier
zenith plinth
omg
i pressed protal and it instantly summoned and killed the boss
holy sheeeeee
white frost
Which prismatic trial is this
cyan stratus
🤔
zenith plinth
@zenith plinth
cyan stratus
wtf
slim lintel
cyan stratus
slim lintel
yooo wth I just noticed if you hold M1 on arti and sprint after the first fireball you keep sprint through the other 3
white frost
oh that's pretty interesting!
frosty heath
yep same w engi
cyan stratus
wow lol you just figured that out what a scuffed arti player
slim lintel
makes sense with engi, its like arti M2 with a chargeup but arti m1 is 4 seperate abilities
autumn solstice
how are we supposed to know if we are in top 10% if we don't know the total?
autumn solstice
how you get it that fast?
slim lintel
wait #2? did they purge the obvious cheaters?
cyan stratus
no im like 120th now
cyan stratus
it's preon time
and btw i found a cloaked chest on accident but it has fireworks
s1 lunar pod has hellfire tincure
cyan stratus
anyone got any route ideas? seems pretty straightforward but idk if i'm missing something
mental badger
how often do the prismatic trials change?
cyan stratus
every 3 days
mental badger
there was no announcement what you will get in the future if you are in the top 10% am i right?
cyan stratus
no, and there's unlikely to be anything in the near future since there's hackers
and there will be much more hackers if they're rewarded
mental badger
That's sad to hear but understandable.
cyan stratus
@slim lintel how's arti 👀
slim lintel
havent played trial yet
slim lintel
whats in the lunar pod s1
idk if im gonna do this one, or any one with a duneshitter tbh
I cant figure their shitty ai out
cyan stratus
does your mouse have a scroll wheel ?
slim lintel
yeah?
cyan stratus
try scrolling up
slim lintel
wut
primal swallow
lunar pod not worth
cyan stratus
i said it was hellfire tincure 3min into the trial 🙃
i tried a tincure+preon route but you die too easily
primal swallow
did your 2:18 skip the dunestrider's heal phase?
cyan stratus
yes
i use preon on wisps
i think preon on dunestrider is faster if you dont die to wisps
primal swallow
yea, can kill 2/3 wisps ez with it
I got 2 dunestrider heal skips in a row on my like 5th attempt but since then i've always had an imp spawn right as he gets to that health point
cyan stratus
i end up having to wait and waste time to make it skip
get like a 1:20 pause out of s1
3-4 wisps and a bison spawn near strider, but bison can spawn away and you can kill the wisps so the dunestrider doesn't go into heal since there's no enemies
but i've only had bison spawn away once
slim lintel
idk how you guys dont go insane from duneshitters I can't stand them
wet dawn
cyan stratus
2s go fast
yea the dunestrider is my least favorite
the ai is so unpredictable so there's no way you can get a good strategy that's consistent
slim lintel
I can't find any remotely good path for s2, all the crystals are in weird terrain that eats all your projectiles
cyan stratus
have you tried jumping before you shoot
slim lintel
yeah arti projectiles have a bigger hitbox for terrain than crystals/crystal hitbox is weird
nvm I'm an idiot (yeah I know hurdur dumb arti mains)
slim lintel
nvm arti's shitty M1's cant reach that far
cyan stratus
dude what scuffed route are you using
cyan stratus
turn like 90deg right, go forward, turn left kill the crystal, 180, turn left go forward, kill two crystals, go right to tp
iirc from memory
slim lintel
how tf are you doing the first crystal? All the other crystals are across the whole map behind a ton of terrain with no sightline
cyan stratus
a little known fact is that the crystals have a massive purple beam above them that is literally impossible to miss, you can plan a route pretty easily around that
slim lintel
yeah I know
if its the one I think you're talking about no way arti is gonna snipe that
cyan stratus
no it isn't that one smh
slim lintel
we're getting different crystal spawns then
cyan stratus
where do you live?
i might be able to find a lenscrafters around your place
their glasses are pretty good
slim lintel
there's only 4 crystals per stage right
slim lintel
cyan stratus
i'm gonna have to add that aren't i