this jump is busted
#prismatic-trials
cyan stratus
tribal hamlet
@cyan stratus are thare any rules/ regulations of the mult cult
cyan stratus
play mult
slim lintel
shit I dont even think arti can get sub 2:29 that was a really decent run and barely below 2:30
Alright I helped the mult cult out, now the mult cult has to help out the arti gang
cyan stratus
have you tried going fast
cyan stratus
uhhhh
white frost
I miss the teleport door usable from the first game
cyan stratus
have you tried clipping into the wall by the water and building up speed
might take a couple hours to get enough speed though
slim lintel
a new kind of speedrun, its not about how fast you can do something but how fast you can go
cyan stratus
crystal jump fail 30x in a row now zzzzz
slim lintel
bruh its actually so easy and consistent
white frost
this is what it feels like when I try to explain to people how easy it is to strafe the titan laser
cyan stratus
how
do
you
do
this
slim lintel
why do all the cheaters pick huntress
slim lintel
what if all this time we thought they were cheaters but they are actually just insane with 1337 str@ts
cyan stratus
30min all failed jump
slim lintel
its all in the shooting and jumping
gotta shoot riiiiiight when you jump right over the crystal to keep all that upward momentum
drowsy jetty
how to complete prismatic trials in 0.5x preon shots
cyan stratus
any consistent strats to get qpu aligned yet?
slim lintel
if you shoot late you will have started to slow your upward momentum and wont make it
if you shoot early you wont jump and will barely go anywhere
cyan stratus
so how's the arti party doing
slim lintel
not good, might be able to shave a second or two off with a bit of luck but theres just nothing in stage 2
slim lintel
stage1?
cyan stratus
2
slim lintel
-.-
shaved a few milli's off could get 2:27 I think at best wisps shot me away from tele
2:26 :O
cyan stratus
big
slim lintel
you really think you can sub 2:20 with mult?
cyan stratus
true but i regret nothing
slim lintel
I've been messing around with commando and huntress too, game was starting to get a bit stale and that helped liven it up a bit. Also interesting to get different perspective for how the other chars go fast
I wonder how many dank crystal jumps you've missed in the past
cyan stratus
yeah i played huntress too, just had to download some cheat engine first to get the full experience
slim lintel
huntress is low key viable if theres an easy to get bandolier
slim lintel
this trial is a bit bland but it is nice not having to preon crit farm/1% chance boss spawn/6 bison running everywhere
cyan stratus
idk if legit, but he was like 2:50 2:40 2:30 etc
slim lintel
I saw him improving a bit but thats a huge jump
sounds like someone got mad and turned on cheta engine tbh
cyan stratus
@gaunt wing ?
cyan stratus
useless / nkhuana
slim lintel
idk how he'd shave 12 second off like that, unless he found a couple of consistent jellyfish jumps or something
cyan stratus
@gaunt wing ??
slim lintel
d-do you think he picked up the foreign fruit s1 and used nkahuna? would that even be good
slim lintel
have you even played the base game since release
slim lintel
I know its afk for for an engi with a fungus idk how much it would do with a fruit/woodsprite
cyan stratus
median dock
slim lintel
?
cyan stratus
it's an anti-flex
slim lintel
fastest I can get to second tele seems to be around 1:58~ and theres no good crystals to jump with and I cant find any convenient jellies
cyan stratus
is that all you're gonna say mr. egg
cyan stratus
there's one where you grab the backup but it's def slower
slim lintel
wish there was a way items would be more worth it, it really is just fastest line to the tele/fastest line to preon+tele
maybe items could just instantly be picked up/placed in your inventory so you don't have to wait 4 seconds for it to pop out and be grabbable. That would help at least
cyan stratus
true, that timeloss really makes it hard to justify
slim lintel
even then a lot of the time items are just really out of the way usually
cyan stratus
nah it depends on the tiral
i wonder how many cloaked chests we're missing
only trial we've found one is because of the radar scanner
slim lintel
only time I've ever found one was on accident, I tried to ping a shrine on a hill out to a friend and picked a cloaked chest instead
cyan stratus
nice
slim lintel
are cloaked chests their own thing or just hidden rusty key chests
cyan stratus
their own thing, cost nothing
white frost
cloaked chest have an extremely rare chance of appearing in the first place
entirely possible that trial was it
for most levels the chance of a cloaked chest is less than 0.33%
we're at, what, trial 10?
on average there'd be one cloaked chest every 60 trials or so I wanna say
cyan stratus
interesting
white frost
although once in a while there would instead be a radar tower/gold shrine
slim lintel
wonder why they made something so stupidly hard to find so rare
white frost
no you know what my maths are dumb
0.33% per placement, not per map
so if we handwave and pretend a map is always gonna have 11 things
there's a bit over 3.5% chance of a rare interactable appearing in a map
60% of the time that interactable is gonna be stealth chest
so 1/50 maps? An average of 25 trials
cyan stratus
ok
white frost
Good money says that stealth chest has been the only one so far still
and given all the crap a chest can contain, the next one is probably not even going to be lensmakers or anything
slim lintel
That'd be interesting if a trial was a stage1 and had no tele, but had a gold idol crystal incased so you'd kill crystals/earn money to active a gold portal and kill aurelionite or whatever to finish
white frost
that would be a cool trial yeah
slim lintel
would maybe make you have to grind some items
white frost
might actually be a different class leading it for a change, but I'm thinking it's gonna be arty again
slim lintel
lol no
crystal trench
if it were that merc could actually do something
white frost
You don't think so? She would have the most firepower at that stage
slim lintel
well maybe does he act like a normal titan ie doesnt laser if you stay close
I haven't fought him much so idk. If you cant cheese the laser theres no way arti will be good
not to mention having to run around to all the pillars to activate them
white frost
another thing to consider is prismatics have 3 different maps, not 2, we just usually ignore the newt route
it's entirely possible a trial with a gold shrine has passed us by but
....
has anyone tried entering a portal in stage 2 of a trial?
slim lintel
unless the trial was centered around the gold portal somehow theres absolutely no reason
white frost
Cabbage said there was one on stage 2 of this run, I'm gonna try it later if noone else does
most likely just the "you won" screen
cyan stratus
did you try it?
proper flume
I know bazaar portals certainly don't affect the trial
cyan stratus
yea they do
you weren't around for trial 4? a portal spawned s1 that gave a new map for s2, best route for artificer
proper flume
I meant they don't just skip a whole level or anything insane like that
cyan stratus
yea but if they're in s1 they could potentially give a good map for s2
so it's always worth checking out
but yeah i doubt there's any glitches involving them
cyan stratus
toxic niche
nice, i didn't have time to do it yet, but those first 7 are all cheaters based on the travel time alone
slim lintel
Yeah I'm missing something huge or that dude decided to cheat
cyan stratus
i experimented with a gnarled woodsprite + nkhuana and it's extremely far from viable
toxic niche
why bother with healing items in a prismatic trial?
slim lintel
only thing I can think at this point is he got some smol golem spawn out of luck and executed them
and if thats the case trials can eat my ass
cyan stratus
because nkhuana activates when you heal
stable fulcrum
are there any incentives to do a prismatic trial?
white frost
it's not a flashy game of yahtzee like the main game
I sometimes hear people don't have time to play the 1+ hour the main game requires, and that they'd like to reduce randomness in various ways like knowing what the printer will put out
prismatic trials are short and largely deterministic
you also unlock the scythe if you beat it once
stable fulcrum
oh ok, thanks!
prisma crest
Oh that's how you unlock that item
toxic niche
it's an incentive to test your skill and learn some tips and tricks from others
I improved from 3:31 to 2:45 thanks to the feedback I got on the last trial.
cabbage runs MUL-T and iforgotwho runs arti if you're interested in those ๐
cyan stratus
iforgotwho runs mul-t now too
amber wolf
Hi newbie question at what point do you finish the prismatic trails after a loop? or what do you need to do to finish it?
cyan stratus
you complete 2 stages
amber wolf
Oh thats it? ok thank you!
cyan stratus
each stage has three crystals you destroy before being able to activate the teleporter
goal is to complete it as fast as possible
amber wolf
Ok that is very helpful thank so much
cyan stratus
np
white frost
menu shoudl really just say it
when I first did a prismatic I didn't know if I had to clear an afternoon for 2 loops or wtf was going on
the second boss is always an elite too so you could die to it and think "wow, this is tough I dunno how many more stages of this I'm up for"
frosty heath
just got a blaze lemurian on s2 instead of the overloading golem 
cyan stratus
yeah and first time i played the top times were negative so i didn't know how long they took
amber wolf
Happy to report that I did it and last I cheacked i was number 1020 global so its kinda easy
cyan stratus
nice
frosty heath
@white frost it was a world event i think?a message popped in the chat, as far as i know this indicates an event but not sure, still learning the game
cyan stratus
yes that means a different boss. remember what it said?
frosty heath
i think i took a screenshot not sure tho, let me check
white frost
please tell me we're not grinding blazing lemurians for this trial
cyan stratus
titan is ez enough
white frost
he sure as shit isn't 8 glacial bisons wasting time on the other end of the map
white frost
I think in theory the lemurian would havea bit less hp and therefore die faster
white frost
my friend got 2:48 so I'm considering that my time to beat
cyan stratus
why not mine
frosty heath
did not take screenshot but i remember something about and i'm paraphrasing here "it's getting hot in here"
cyan stratus
uhhhh
frosty heath
and yeah im sure golem is easier, this fucker was spitting fire whole time
white frost
isn't that wisps
frosty heath
dunno about hp tho, i was running around trying to dodge his shit and not touching his blaze trail when i went in as mult
white frost
would you be able to beat your time with a dualshock4, Cabbage
not saying I'd stand a snowballs if I used a mouse
I just don't have the drive required to, say, run 200 times for 3 actual attempts at the time I'm going for
cyan stratus
no but i dont use controller
white frost
but man
those jumpsnipes you do sometimes would be little more than random chance for me to hit
so I'm going for beating 2:48, maybe 2:30 depending on how easily I acheive that first goalpost
cyan stratus
i mean those jumpsnipes are pretty hard, as you see i miss them too
i had a faster route that i scrapped b/c way too inconsistent
white frost
then you better make it a 2:28
woven atlas
i don't have the skills to do that
cyan stratus
better make it a 2:18
woven atlas
look i learned today that you can use the crystals to jump
cyan stratus
hmm do you need a video guide
woven atlas
i saw how you did it in your video
cyan stratus
oh wow are you my fan
cyan stratus
wtf
woven atlas
horrible vegetable
cyan stratus
wow
woven atlas
onions on the other hand...
cyan stratus
what about them
woven atlas
so good
cyan stratus
yea
woven atlas
but i'll follow you on yt
cyan stratus
ok thanks
toxic niche
huntress' base dmg is just too weak for the bosses damn
cyan stratus
that's why we need char. specific leaderboards
white frost
my current best is 3:25 and I easily lose 25 seconds to botching the jump
your position is not safe, I'm gonna get this
woven atlas
i just restart if i make mistakes in s1
white frost
yeah
I saw the runs through at first, and maybe I should keep doing that a bit more
my current marsch pathing is kind of haphazard
would be good if I already had level 2 in my blood when I actually pull that stupid jump off
slim lintel
ah so you can get a lemurian stage 2? thats probably how that other arti shaved so much time off
woven atlas
yea the level 2 crysal sniping is hard and also hard to practice
@slim lintel idk, i did the run a lot of times, finishing s1 with times between 1:08 and 1:40 and i never found a lemur on s2
white frost
you need the bullshit world event
slim lintel
Thats the only way I can thing the other arti could possibly shave 7 seconds off my time. Ice wall can execute lemurs and that would save a lot of time
white frost
woven atlas
well i assume the devs are aware of this "issue"
white frost
i hope so
woven atlas
you need to make a reddit post and get 2k upvotes
white frost
it was a big timesaver in the previous prismatic because the boss was a bunch of bisons and the event could give you a titan that would stand still for you
woven atlas
that's how shit gets done in 2019
white frost
goferit
woven atlas
i need to wash the dishes first, and prepare dinner
slim lintel
vpn
white frost
too lazy
sometimes I read reddit by putting the url for the subreddit into an RSS reader
white frost
2:58
I'm coming for you Reto, I can do plenty better than this
I found a way to do the jump consistently
it involves stopping a tiny bit but whatever
woven atlas
๐ฑ
woven atlas
what do you mean?
white frost
pause is the time after you warp
the time will stop before the loading sccreen
In my best record I'm 1:12 but I'm pulling 1:08 atm, 5 seconds behind cabbage
woven atlas
i believe it was 1:12 for that run
toxic niche
heh... at 3:50 now with huntress, but I don't think I can shave off more than 10-15 seconds... ๐ฆ
woven atlas
i don't think huntress has enough single target dps
toxic niche
and getting more items loses so much time
slim lintel
if you think huntress is bad you should try commando
white frost
I screwed up a lot, gonna push it further
But ball is officially in your court, Reto
I don't think 2:30 is within my reach, but I know 2:40 is
slim lintel
Thats really impressive for using a controller man
woven atlas
damn
white frost
sometimes I need to slow down but I know I can do better
woven atlas
i'm officially bad ๐
white frost
naw I'm sure I'll wake up tomorrow to have you above me again
I'm not happy with this run though felt like I fucked up every single thing
I also think I have a slight route advantage on level 1 compared to the top contenders
I boost 3 times instead of 2
but they're getting better pause time than me anyway so I guess I'm not really winning out
2:39
I'm gonna try a bit more 'cause I seem to be shaving this time pretty regularly still
woven atlas
dang
cyan stratus
lv1 better route ?
slim lintel
idk if there's any way to optimize stage 1 any more. Crystal jump is so fast
white frost
I'm still doing the crystal jump, I'm just doing it without a boost
so I boost to the crystal, and to the teleporter
but I'm not getting anywhere near your 1:03 pause, best I have is 1:08
It's probably more of a safe strat because the crystal jump I do is way easier than the madness you two are doing
or easier for me at least
I jump straight up, then move to the left to get on land
no boost required, and because of that I use the boost earlier and after, saving me time on that particular route
I also approach the swamps slightly differently, I jump up and get the first crystal in view earlier, no crazy jumpsniping required
Maybe your route is faster but mine is easier
another safestrat I do is pick up the gnarled woodsprite so I can heal during the fight, probably loses me a second or three
but it's right next to the teleporter and I don't always survive that fight
woven atlas
is there a way to prevent the stone giant from lasering you?
ancient quartz
slim lintel
stay close to him and he wont laser
white frost
I got really close to what I think would've been a 1:05 pause
my runs are getting really sloppy but also faster somehow
I just wanna shave my time once more
woven atlas
i give up for now
white frost
what the fuc
i got the lemurian
this is indeed the world event
lemurian had 6084 hp
titan has 4095, you do not want this guy
slim lintel
was it just one or 3
white frost
just one
after remving 30% you're left with 4200 the titan would have less health but probably more armour
I got
a 1:04 pause
but I fucked up the next level royally
slim lintel
Think I got a crit on queen once and got a 0:59 pause on arti
white frost
didn't get any crits, sadly
I think 1:03 is within my reach, but my total time hasn't budged yet
i wonder if royal capacitor works on crystals
don't think any of the trials have had one yet, but would be a major boon to characters like merc
cyan stratus
yes it works
slim lintel
I think it was the first one but I didn't really participate in the first few because I didnt know about crystal jumping and the first one was all about a mult bug
white frost
I SEE YOU CABBAGE
got fucking 1:03 pause but I messed up jumping over the gate
that could've been sub 2:30
eager quarry
having difficulty getting a moderator, I have a player in my VC being abusive
white frost
at this point I'm confident my level 1 route is better, I just can't execute all the crazy jumping shit
slim lintel
Still that's just crazy for a controller, you are the controller god
slim lintel
I guess a bit
white frost
I'm going for sub 2:30 I can do this
frosty osprey
what do people think of the bandit?
drowsy jetty
wrong channel for that one
white frost
....critted the jump crystal
thanks game
naw, this time isn't budging
Cabbage is right, I haven't been able to get the 1:03 again
got a freaking 2:30 but died
frosty heath
just noticed how much MUCH easier it is doing the crystal jump as artificer compared to mul-t, it's insane lol
slim lintel
arti is da jumpa
white frost
it's the jetpack, and also an effect of not being a 1-ton robot
cyan stratus
doesnt have that massive brain weighing it down
slim lintel
boi all mult's got is a tiny little CPU
probably a single core
look at that noggin' theres a lotta brain in there
woven atlas
so the only valid choices for trials are artificer and mul-t?
white frost
2:30.97
I'm going to break 2:30 I swear to fucking god
sadly yeah
I can't think of a trial that would somehow benefit the other survivors more
well
I can think of a really contrieved case where huntress might have an advantage
slim lintel
huntress is viable if theres a convenient bandolier
white frost
yeah
and both bosses are horde of many wisps
and exactly one crystal is far off behind cover where arrow rain easily reaches it while the other two are conveniently in the running path
woven atlas
so you're saying there's a chance
white frost
yes
woven atlas
a true scientist
slim lintel
last trial was actually really good for huntress
woven atlas
if there was a degree in videogames science, Zeddy would have it
slim lintel
still not mult/arti levels of good but way closer
slim lintel
fastest line to tele use crystal explosions to launch yourself across the map
and use all your cd's as efficient as possible
which I've noticed arti's CD's really don't line up very well
white frost
arrow rain kills a crystal, so you wanna save it for crystals that are far off
for crystals in your path, run towards them while weakening, then use them to boost
Here's a huntress run I had a couple of weeks ago
slim lintel
whats really lame about huntress is the glaive wont bounce between 2 crystals. One of the trials had 2 of them insanely close together and it would only hit 1
white frost
yeah that suuucks
things don't target crystals except direct aim assist
not turrets, not ukulele, not glaive bounce
I'm noticing I fucked up a lot in my best run so I can beat this still
woven atlas
imo trials should be very much like daily missions in the binding of isaac
different char every day, which is the same for everyone
and every run is the same
no rng/bs stuff
cyan stratus
i like being able to play mult for each trial
woven atlas
i understand and don't disagree, but i think that a better way to measure a player's prowess would be to test different skills i guess
white frost
2:29.32
woven atlas
@white frost omg stop humiliating me please
white frost
then catch up with me
white frost
I don't think survivors need to be locked, I just want there to be survivor-specific leaderboards
woven atlas
that's ok too
white frost
ohh nice video is under 10GB
I'm gonna target all my runs in filesize from now on
gonna try a liiiitle more but I'm clearly close to my limit
cyan stratus
10gb wtf
white frost
I use fraps
it records completely uncompressed
I'm calling it at this one I think
it's 5:30am and my fingers are vaguely in pain
if I sat until morning maybe I could get 2:28 but I'm happy with sub 2:30 in general
and CRUSHING RETO INTO THE GROUND HOW DOES IT FEEL
(good luck I believe in you <3)
frosty heath
still learning here, question: why does the artificer jump WAY higher from a jump crystal jump that mul-t? what's the logic behind it if you can't harm yourself with ur spells?
makes no sense to me, right now at least
white frost
it's just how phsyics engines work
heavy objects aren't pushed as far as light objects
I also suspect it's artificer's hidden mobility gimmick
drowsy jetty
her jetpack is powered by crystal explosions
white frost
but huntress flies about the same I think
frosty heath
oooh ok, so the weight does play a role in this? wow ok and yes it makes sense now
huntress the same? didnt try anything else than artificer and mult. but if huntress gets the same jump boost the i guess its the "female atribute" being light weight
cyan stratus
what is mult then
frosty heath
i just assumed artificers and huntress gender, sry, pls no shitstorm on twitter etc
slim lintel
arti is gorl huntrass is gorl
frosty heath
it was just a wild guess
drowsy jetty
how we know merc isnt a girl or a beetle
slim lintel
merc is a weeaboo
white frost
merc is a haunted suit of armour
slim lintel
merc is glorious nippon steel folded 10,000 times molded in to human form
tribal hamlet
he is an overgrown fungus
slim lintel
no thats engi
toxic niche
got my huntress run down to 3:26... lmk if you got any tips
slim lintel
I was ony able to help out last time cus I saw a vid of what you're doing. I have no idea what your run looks like so I have no idea how/if you could improve it
white frost
Have you tried using 
I'll probably do Arty next trial
my first video with her I had no idea what I was doing
nobody else did either, I came on this discord, probably not a channel about prismatics not sure it existed, and asked if my 4:40 with artificer was good (it wasn't)
and was met with sneersand implications of artificer being handicapping myself
white frost
I haven't paid attention enough to know, but I knew from the first trial that her long range and inherently huge attack power would give her a good shot
but I wasn't really able to make good on it
I've better sleep, thanks for putting up with my streams of conciousness
cyan stratus
tbh you & zunts were the only people playing arti really
who knows. maybe merc is actually really good but nobody is trying
white frost
Merc is good at movement but movement in itself isn't a goal in prismatics
Why move fast when you can snipe a crystal from across the map?
Artificer suffers in time to move to the teleporter but can easily dispose of any crystals in like of sight on the way there, and then cream the boss
Prismatics are about destroying crystals and bosses, and without items MUL-T and Artificer are leagues ahead with those tasks
Things might shake up if prismatics get a different set of objectives instead of the crystals, like kill x enemies
cyan stratus
แถสฐแตสณแตแถแตแตสณ หขแตแตแถแถฆแถ แถฆแถ หกแตแตแตแตสณแตแตแตสณแตหข
slim lintel
char leaderboards and different objectives would be ๐
Also if bandit/sniper do make it in the game I see them being very good as well so we'll have more choices
cyan stratus
slim lintel
jesus I keep missing the last crystal because M2 has no frickin crosshair
woven atlas
@cyan stratus will you still pick mul t even if they nerf it to the ground?
slim lintel
who thought that shit was a good idea
white frost
I doubt further nerfing of MUL-T is on the table why would it be
Why are you using Nanobomb without sprinting
Dash crosshair is best crosshair
slim lintel
there's no way to effeciently hit it while sprinting
I jump off the upper ledge after getting HUD and almost have to 180 to hit it
the one waaaaay in the back that cabbage hits
kinda counter intuitive to sprint away from your desired direction
also counter intuitive to not have a crosshair
I dont get this games damage system at all
doing the exact same cd rotation on beetle queen and sometimes it takes an extra flamethrower to kill her
white frost
Maybe you get unlucky with fire procs
slim lintel
apparently people don't like being able to aim wtf
welp shaved a couple seconds off 2:24 still a mystery how that guy got 2:19
cyan stratus
@woven atlas depends
cyan stratus
got a nice 2:16 with a scuffed titan fight
1:02 s1 pause though so that's pretty nice
gaunt wing
@slim lintel You don't have to worry about my 2:19. I was hovering around 2:30 somthing then I found a lunar pod off the beaten path with a shaped glass. Turns out I still had m
Fucking cat
cyan stratus
well since there's no lunar pod in this level that's very strange
gaunt wing
*had my game edited to *4 for interactables and didn't realise. I stopped after i realised i basically cheated
I guess it even changes the spawn rates for trials if you edit your interactables to pretend its 4 players
cyan stratus
yes that would make sense
slim lintel
Ok thanks for clearing that up, I was very confused how you did that lol
gaunt wing
But yeah sorry about that, didn't intentionally try to scum
Have you ever managed to get the golem to spawn without the shield up, using the aoe?
cyan stratus
that was patched
slim lintel
nah they patched that
gaunt wing
oh shit
slim lintel
I got 2:24 with a bit of sloppy tele activation I think arti will peak at around 2:22 this trial
gaunt wing
I think my last legit time was 2:30 something. Never used the HUD though, did it turn out more optimal?
slim lintel
hud is worth it, speaking of which I messed up my second M2 that run and didnt crit
cyan stratus
guess i'll upload my 2;16 since my 2:18 is an embarrassment
gaunt wing
Im hoping these trials get adjusted in the future. Id much prefer to see trials only letting you use a single character
gaunt wing
That would be be preferable actually
gaunt wing
Im getting pretty consistant 1:05-1:07 for the first port, second maps a goddamn mess though using HUD
slim lintel
I get 0:59-1:03 stage1 pause
gaunt wing
Interesting, I wonder where im failing to optimize in stage 1
cyan stratus
slim lintel
to save a little bit of time I shoot an M2 in to the ground and jump over that rock on the way to crystal 2 that saves a bit of time
cyan stratus
you can boost yourself with m2 ..?
cyan stratus
lost a hot second on the titan fight though
slim lintel
mult wins this one because you use the arti route basically and you have a mobility skill
cyan stratus
you mean arti uses the mult route
slim lintel
boi if it wasnt for me you wouldnt even be using that crystal jump
cyan stratus
i saw it as a possibility
probably would've given up, true
link me ur twitch and i credit in the description
gaunt wing
I suspect my Arti boss rotation is unoptimized
slim lintel
tbh let merc crystal jump its dumb they cant
foggy pier
does this trial have the snow level as area 2
slim lintel
nah I may stream tomorrow if I get anything good I'll clip it and post it here
gaunt wing
Ill probably wait until next trial to try and get a better time, first one ive done so far and its pretty fun. Hopefully actual rewards get added
white frost
My friend plays merc exclusively, he claimed to use a crystal boost in his route for 2:58
Hm. Re-reading it I think he was just talking about fancy dashes
shrewd edge
is there any way to see the entire leaderboard for the trials?
pseudo hedge
nope
shrewd edge
ok, sad just wanna check how im doing compared to others who play the same class ๐
cyan stratus
what class you play?
gaunt wing
Is there a trick to doing that large starting boost that you do upon entering wetlands
Or is it just doublejump then shift
white frost
what large starting boost
gaunt wing
When cabbage starts the wetlands, i can't quite seem to replicate it
devout oar
it looks like sprint > jump > doublejump > utility > swap in rapid succession
dunno about the mechanics surrounding airborne transport mode but it def does feel faster to be airborne during it rather than grounded
might be some friction bullshit
at least during start when it's accelerating
cyan stratus
sprint spacespace roll
gaunt wing
Damn wisp only spawn ruined my run, almost had a 2:17.00ish
cyan stratus
i think 2:13ish is the lowest it can feasibly go without really good rng
cyan stratus
white frost
jesus christ
slim lintel
flickadawrist
livid vine
white frost
not bad
toxic niche
what items are you getting on arti/mul-T?
slim lintel
mult wr is 2:16 arti wr (afaik) is 2:24 idk if another arti legit beat me haven't checked
vernal tinsel
isnt it kinda weird mult is tank but yet is the easiest to use in trails? his dps is pretty good. especially for tank.
trials*
woven atlas
he has great single target dps, which is what trials seem to put a lot of emphasis on
he can also snipe crystals from great distances, has solid mobility and can soak up a fair amount of damage
so yes, he's the trials big boi
pulsar oriole
in trials base movement and base dps are the most important things
and multi is 2nd in base movement and base dps pretty much
which makes him the best for trials as art (1st in dps) lacks movement and merc (1st in movement) lacks dps
cyan stratus
hunter is 2nd in movement though
frosty heath
any suggestions on how to improve the artificer run? only thing i noticed: crystal jump and ice wall on 1st boss wasn't clean enough, i can get a better horizontal momentum and less jump height (had a 1:00 s1 never got it again lol)
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/416211337
slim lintel
alright noticing a few small things right off the bat, at the start hold M2 and instantly start sprinting. You can charge an m2 and sprint. Hit the first crystal with a fully charged M2 then sprint weave 2 M1's (shoot-sprint-shoot-sprint) then after first crystal that rock you walked around, jump over it by aiming down and shooting a partially charged M2 at the ground (don't forget to sprint while charging) also dont crystal jump with M2 unless you really need extra height.
2 M1's + a non charged M2 primes a crystal to be one shot by an M1 to jump with
I made a vid of my route, its sloppy and slow but will give you an idea for some optimizations
frosty heath
ah i see thx. but what do you mean with the rock? i climbed it but not fully. aiming down and shooting a partially charged m2? why exactly? or do you mean shooting the 2nd crystal? yeah i'm curious about your vid, share it when it's up ๐
slim lintel
my slow ass upload speed x.x
its a small timesave, kind of a corner cut. You'll see what I mean
I think 2:22 is possible with this route, my best is 2:24
quality might be crap not fully processed
frosty heath
wow wtf you actually CAN "rocket jump" in this game, i never noticed doing dmg to myself so that's why i didn't even try further ๐ cool stuff. going to try your route out as well, should be a little faster i think but not sure. your ice wall starter tho regarding dps rotation is better compared ot mine so i'm stealing that hehe
slim lintel
its not damage boosting yourself, M2 shooting off has a light self knockback
frosty heath
yeah yeah i know, forgot to mention it
slim lintel
one trial for a small period we would jump straight up with a crystal, turn around and shoot a fully charged M2 to push ourselves back on to a cliff
it was awesome but a faster strat was found
that was also a really bad run, usually freeze stage1 at 0:59/1:00 and start 2nd tele a 1:52~ also messed up the HUD really bad
cyan stratus
does arti benefit from backup mag?
slim lintel
yeah your goal as arti is to get as many as possible so you never have to use your shitty M1 ever again
cyan stratus
terminal at s2 spawn straight forward has but idk if saves time
slim lintel
nah you can already fit 2 of them in the HUD not to mention the time it would take to pick it up
frosty heath
yeah 1 fully charged and 1 instant, that's at least what i've found
slim lintel
nope M2 snapshots
frosty heath
oh rly? lol ok
slim lintel
yep if you start charging while the hud is active it will be a crit even if you dont have the buff
frosty heath
yap i learned about snapshot in the good ol wow days
plush knoll
they really do need to add separate leaderboards for each character, especially if they are never gonna do anything to keep Mul-T from being meta 99% of the time
being able to see how you stack up against other players of your char would be nice
frosty heath
yeah and a "restart/retry" button pls
plush knoll
yes
i know prismatic trials is not even something they really give a shit about at this point but neither thing would be a big ask lol
frosty heath
i recently noticed the whole feedback thing here on their discord, did anyone even mention it there? i mean the different class thing. did it get enough upvotes to be in the top-feedback section? ๐
i mean it has to be implented it's not some random wishful thinking from 1 guy, it's definitely a very good suggestion that a lot of people like
cyan stratus
considering the base game is still very underdeveloped the trials are probably very low on their priority list
remember the majority of people who play it is bc the achievement
frosty heath
sure sure but achievements are done once and after that you have nothing to play for imo, but the motivation the trials bring is basically infinite ๐
slim lintel
I think hopoo cares about it to a degree considering he hopped in here one day and talked to us
plush knoll
Yeah I made a feedback about it
woven atlas
Would be cool to see what their priority list looks like
plush knoll
it got upvoted and not really downvoted but not enough to be a priority id imagine
what do you think the top 10% reward is gonna be, anyway - just lunar coins would be pretty lame
slim lintel
considering theres so many cheaters they cant do a whole lot about it will be lunar coins or something equally disappointing. No sense rewarding cheaters
ionic crown
Not grinding that hard but 2:38 without crystal jump lol
gaunt wing
@slim lintel Nice run. I landed on the exact same route, but from watching your video Im losing time on my weaker crystal jump
slim lintel
I'm really starting to wonder how planned these trials are. Like the fact we get a hopoo feather to jump that wall. There's been a few other things in trials that seems a little too convenient
woven atlas
Why can't they do anything about cheaters?
slim lintel
I mean they could but it would be a huge hassle and they have the base game that still needs a ton of work
woven atlas
Well I hope they eventually do something about it
Seems silly to have a mode that is supposed to reward skill, only for it to be won by cheaters
modest halo
Remember that the dev team is really small and they honestly donโt have the resources to deal with cheaters atm
slim lintel
^ yep basically that
frosty heath
implement a replay system (maybe to much already?) combined with a voting system with 2 options: LIKE or "cheater"/something else/report, if a certain report threshold is met the highscore gets greyed out and not counted or simply deleted
slim lintel
replay systems don't pop out of thin air, it would take a ton of work to implement that. Probably more than just making some kind of anti cheat
cyan stratus
i also wish there was imcentive to try to get good scores, theres like 0 actual competition
slim lintel
idk what you're talking about, but maybe they could negate time off your trial time for score, so killing an enemy/picking up an item gives you score and would shave a little off your end time. That would help item pickups be more useful
cyan stratus
i meant time
slim lintel
if there were char specific leaderboard I'd challenge your mullt but I know I can beat my arti time with mult and I want to stay top legit arti
cyan stratus
but you already have video proof
slim lintel
of a slow ass 2:27 run
toxic niche
https://youtu.be/6WaDwIh4Fhw @slim lintel help ๐ฆ
besides the sloppy moments, idk what i should do, it's just too little damage
cyan stratus
the gunner turret has literally never attacked the beetle for me
how did you get it to do that
woven atlas
i tried with the turret too
it attacked everything except for the beetle so i gave up on it
frosty heath
the only big and obvious things i noticed were the positioning to click the tp right after you killed the bosses, you could have stood there way sooner instead of using ur ability+running a little back to click it. other than that idk, huntress just seems so weak because of her low single target dmg ๐
i dont think he has a strat for the turret attacking the beetle, i had it attacking the boss as well on my first runs but very rarely, i rly think its random or maybe he has some secret tech ๐
remote arrow
dont play huntress, she has by far the lowest dps of them all, which she balances out with safety and speed, but that aside, arti and multi are probably the best for prismatic trials (depending on items, you should first check most of the boxes before you start a serious run, very often theres a rare item being very useful for at least one of the chars somewhere, if not just play arti)
remote arrow
^ never played arti or died to the first few mobs because missing M1 or M2
cyan stratus
whats your arti time this trial my guy
remote arrow
let me play it, ill let you know when im done
cyan stratus
if you beat my mult time then i will convert to an arti main
viral carbon
Yeah I tried all characters on the trial and even though I donโt know how to play mult they were able to cut of about 30 seconds of the run
cyan stratus
how's engi doing
viral carbon
Not very well for me on risk 2
cyan stratus
poor engi
viral carbon
Mhm
cyan stratus
doesn't matter though, mult is the best character
viral carbon
My friend mains them though
cyan stratus
does he yell at you when you accidentally pick up a bustling fungus
viral carbon
no lol
He only just realised today that that was possible
anyways, whatโs ur best time on the trial
cyan stratus
a scuffed 2:16
viral carbon
Thatโs pretty good
viral carbon
Can you do trials multiplayer?
toxic niche
I know arti and mult are better, but everyone is already playing those in the trials. I genuinly like playing huntress and i want to put up decent times.
cyan stratus
no you cant
slim lintel
tbh just play whatever char you like
viral carbon
Mhm
slim lintel
prism trials literally do not matter
cyan stratus
^^
viral carbon
Not yet at least
slim lintel
just have fun
viral carbon
Yup
cyan stratus
although i'm really looking forward to that guy who said he was gonna beat my mult run with arti
viral carbon
Lol
toxic niche
Exactly, and you already put up great arti and mult runs so why not eh? :P
slim lintel
its not physically possible to beat mult with arti this trial
slim lintel
arti is good if it can use a jump mult cant. If you're doing the same exact line with arti and mult. mult is going to win because he has mobility
slim lintel
it lacks a speedy speedy gogo button
toxic niche
Still think huntress could use a dps boost for she's already squishy as well...
slim lintel
also watching your vid @toxic niche I agree with what others said, not much more you can do other than more efficient teleporting
cyan stratus
i despise huntress as a character, the aim feels so stupid
slim lintel
^
cyan stratus
you want to aim at the massive titan but no, that wisp dies first
viral carbon
I had a good monsoon huntress run earlier
toxic niche
The aim can really annoy you in the trials
toxic niche
Hitting a closer minion instead of the boss
slim lintel
huntress is good in the base game, very easy. She just feels blegh to me to play
I like to aim in shooting videogames because I'm a gamer
cyan stratus
๐
slim lintel
I like commando to, he ramps up like crazy but the first loop almost makes me fall asleep
toxic niche
I'll wait for the sniper ;)
viral carbon
I think acrid will work
slim lintel
sniper is gonna be lit for trials
slim lintel
nah just make it a poison field in a circle aoe around him like the tincture but maybe a little bit bigger
viral carbon
But idk how you would unlock it
toxic niche
Besides squishy, huntress can't stun anything with her abilities either
viral carbon
Maybe the same but on a 2nd or 3rd loop
slim lintel
owo pounce would be silly tho "owo whats this? bwazing titan uwu"
cyan stratus
pls dont
viral carbon
I like huntress boomerang thing
remote arrow
holy fk todays prismatic is cancer for arti... overloading stone titan against immobile char, still if i can manage to bait his melee out its gonna be 3:30 ish
slim lintel
notices wandering vagrants tendrils owo
viral carbon
I used fireworks to kill the Titan lol
slim lintel
wat
slim lintel
I did something like that on one of the super early trials
viral carbon
Kinda my time ainโt so great
cyan stratus
shrine of luck is right there
slim lintel
its super finicky tho
viral carbon
I found a firework printer
cyan stratus
uhhh
toxic niche
Oh... Such time loss
viral carbon
Yeah
cyan stratus
@toxic niche whats ur time? got like a 3:20ish as hunter
cyan stratus
interesting
viral carbon
I havenโt played this game that much
slim lintel
cabbage you think that nightwolf guy legit
viral carbon
I got it this week lol after completing risk 1
cyan stratus
who
slim lintel
mult at 2:14
toxic niche
What items did you pick up cabbage?
toxic niche
Hmmm... Long route
cyan stratus
yea but i thought to maximize dps
toxic niche
I picked up the bleed for that
remote arrow
toxic niche
Tri blade thing
slim lintel
I just tried that turret and..how in the hell did you get that to hit the queen?
slim lintel
current arti record is 2:24 by me
cyan stratus
no dude it's 2:19 by kylops
slim lintel
he used mods on accident tho
remote arrow
this is my second run, give me a break
toxic niche
Well, the boomerang kills most mobs around it. I did have a faster s1, but it was luck more than anything
remote arrow
besides im shit at the game
cyan stratus
yeah but he got 2:19 as arti
slim lintel
with mods and got a shaped glass bruh
cyan stratus
he got a faster time than you though
you should go install cheat engine and show him who's boss
toxic niche
... here's a preon iforgot, go beat cabbage
remote arrow
i could save like 30 seconds by not having to walk around the wall and another 10-20 if i wasnt shit at aiming :/
cyan stratus
have you tried jumping
remote arrow
missing like 2 cm
remote arrow
oh shit i forgot the hopoo
slim lintel
well I just fricked up the HUD but still shaved a few millis off
cyan stratus
on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlrc-MrNh0
slim lintel
mult is just fat arti
cyan stratus
then why is mult faster
slim lintel
wheels
viral carbon
Idk why but I thought that was a 2hour prismatic trial thing
slim lintel
got the 2:22
cyan stratus
gz
remote arrow
idk, i got to 2:58 on my route theres probably a much better one, but i guess unless you make a mistake with mul-ts pathing arti cant hold a candle to him, not even with 15 second faster boss kills
cyan stratus
i'd say a 6sec difference is holding a candle
remote arrow
we are talking about me here, i miss half my ranged shots and only tried a single route so far
cyan stratus
well you were saying the characters in general
remote arrow
i guess rank 131 is alright for a scrub,
well yes, arti can shave off 15-20 seconds on boss kills compared to mul-t
cyan stratus
15-20sec is a bit dramatic i think
viral carbon
HaVE yOU guyS SEeN mY EpIC RUn
cyan stratus
no link it
chilly sapphire
does anyone know how to find out how many people have completed the current Prismatic Trial? I want to know what percent my run falls into but I can't seem to figure out how many people have competed
cyan stratus
if your score is purple you're in the top 10%
but there's tons of hackers so dont feel bad if it isnt
crystal trench
pretty sure that's not true, is it? remember earlier this month iforgotwho said something abt it
find it hard to believe that many people play it and go that slowly
opaque hazel
what is prismatic trials? and what does it reward you with?
crystal trench
2 stages, seeded, go fast
doesn't reward you
other than the first one you complete
cyan stratus
you get an achievement which unlocks an item
crystal trench
gives an unlock
cyan stratus
and idk then joe, all i know some people are purple and others aren't
opaque hazel
so would it unlock an item (like cabbage said) or would it reward a character
crystal trench
item
crystal trench
you can mouse over locked items in logbook to see how to get them
opaque hazel
ah gotchya, thanks for the tip
opaque hazel
yeah, im thinking of recommending it to a few friends
mint lily
@brittle heron
cyan stratus
@toxic niche https://youtu.be/AIXbARikKf8
if you find anything else to improve the route lmk
cyan stratus
what
bitter cloud
someone said something about a firework 3d printer? what if eventually a firework 3d printer is inside the boss arena, so you just reprint your fireworks to kill the boss haha
cyan stratus
now that's an idea
bitter cloud
i hope it happens, weird but possibly effective strategies are gonna be so cool in these runs
tough rain
white frost
Good job!
cyan stratus
nice, what time?
toxic niche
@cyan stratus i noticed something really strange when comparing our runs
your base damage on the first boss seems to be 18 (basic attack) whilst mine is only 15 (basic attack) ????
slim lintel
he hits level 2 right as queen spawns
toxic niche
oh, you get experience from opening those little money tubes?
slim lintel
mhm
frosty heath
that's actually very interesting and possibly game changing in trials
frosty heath
tried out some more mult, 2:22 but very unclean ๐ i think i give up for now haha
cyan stratus
yea i make sure to get lv2 to do more dmg
toxic niche
heh... i entered the blue portal after s1 and the whole second map changed
boss ended up being overloaded beetle queen for me
white frost
it can change the boss too? what was your time?
maybe we should've considered newts on the friggin bisons trial
slim lintel
if you use a portal during a trial the second stage will be the same but every item enemy and boss spawn will be different/different locations
past horizon
how do i see the full leaderbord on this i got 152 rank spot and i wanna se the top
white frost
I don't think you can
it's like that because the top is just cheaters and no reason to give them a platform
past horizon
i can get that however i just wanna se full leaderbord to see how close i'm to the actual players
white frost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlrc-MrNh0&t=0s I wanna say current WR is 2:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlrc-MrNh0&t=0s
slim lintel
1-106 is all cheaters. Top (possibly legit) time is 2:14.98 on mult, top confirmed is Cabbage at 2:16.14
white frost
Cabbage is usually good about editing his title if the record is beaten
I was able to see cabbage at the very top o my list yesterday, probably not anymore
slim lintel
top legit arti is me at 2:22 #114
theres one possibly legit mult ahead of cabbage the rest are cheaters
white frost
yeah he's gone
those two blank names are blatant cheaters, I'm not sure about all the huntresses
tropic rover
why would u cheat in ror2 whats the point even
peak gulch
lmao not even in top 10
slim lintel
Script kiddies that think they're unique, at least one just accidently left a mod on probably more.
stark birch
God damn TIME CRYSTALS!
cyan stratus
๐
woven atlas
often people who cheat are people who are otherwise not so great, and do these things to feel better about themselves
which still makes no sense!
woven atlas
@cyan stratus is that because you have no friends? ๐
cyan stratus
you got it
slim lintel
Why cheat when you can just play mult, it's basically cheating
frosty heath
hey that's me on that screenshot, mom get the camera
cyan stratus
hey mate you can't bash me on playing mult anymore, beat my huntress run mate
you tryna prove you're better than me cause i play mult
cyan stratus
lmao arti with no movement abilities and only projectiles
woven atlas
i'd play engi and camp somewhere
cyan stratus
y'all know huntress would win 100% with auto aim
white frost
24 hours to catch up Reto
torpid raptor
best channel imo
white frost
I believe in you
all the MUL-T training did me good, I never had such an easy time looping Monsoon as yesterday when I used MUL-T and got crappy items but still plowed through
I got stone titan and beetle queens constantly and was like
"I've been training for this day"
cyan stratus
yea this channel is just a couple regulars and the occasional guy that asks what a prismatic trial is
wish it was more popular, but on the other hand it's nice to have a small group
white frost
I prefer small groups as well, but you're not getting the competition you deserve
I could see you on my local leadboard and that's just unclean
cyan stratus
lol i wish i had more competition
also there's so many parts of a route i think could be faster, but there's no point in testing it because nobody else is going for stuff like that
white frost
you ever think about doing that celestial speedrun and show everyone who's the boss
and by the boss I mean the man with the most patience to grind good run seeds
cyan stratus
not into game file editing + rng grinding
plus i don't know enough to downplay any achievements but i've seen some pretty suspicious runs when i checked it out
white frost
suspicious you say
cyan stratus
in terms of seeding
cyan stratus
but i don't know much about those categories so i can't actually say anything about that
white frost
if prismatics were more popular we'd probably end up seeing video proofs of fake runs with an unusual amount of crits or subly higher movespeed or something
cyan stratus
yeah i've always been thinking, increasing crit rate to 2% is literally undisputable because you can just say you got lucky
if you check out my huntress run, i crit a glaive on the beetle boss which literally saved like 4sec
white frost
crit arrow rain is pretty heavy too
cyan stratus
i use missile launcher rather than hud for huntress
yea i know, i did a huntress run
white frost
how many rebars to kill a crystal again? each one is 600% so a full arrow rain is giving flamethrower a run for its money
cyan stratus
what's a rebar
white frost
rebar launcher
cyan stratus
missile?
white frost
oh shit you have a goddamn table of it
so more than 1800%, up to 2400% for an arrow rain
cyan stratus
i mean that's very long cooldown though
white frost
critting that is a preon
cyan stratus
really?
cyan stratus
bc there's crit glasses
white frost
should give them a shot if you wanna improve your huntress time
cyan stratus
brb trying a new huntress route
lol i started playing some huntress because it's pretty popular so i hoped more people would try to beat my huntress time
also felt like learning a new class
white frost
prismatics is really fun with huntress, I think hers was the most interesting run I did
cyan stratus
definitely probably the most interesting class
since picking up items rewards you much more than just rushing portal
yikes i'm rank 111 now
i really wish that nightwolf guy spoke up, i wanna know if he's legit or not
2:14.98 as mult is definitely possible
wow, very scuffed 3:12 as huntress with a new route
huntress is very interesting, so many possible routes
slim lintel
mult/arti for tryharding huntress for fun
drowsy jetty
engineer for feeling miserable
white frost
Engi is pretty fun
my first non-shitty prismatic run was with him
he crystal boosts pretty good and it's fun to lead your grenade charging and leave mines behind you to get boost
drowsy jetty
i vaguely recall from the first few prismatics he was aids to run, from the people who did run him in this discord
something something, grenade rng shot pattern, turret ai being crap, turrets shooting stuff therefore getting gold and delaying the teleporter forcing you to shield your own turret shots, etc
cyan stratus
yea that's why gunner turret is objectively a waste of time on s1
i waited like 5sec because it was killing stuff
white frost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2bwyoyZla8 I got a good 3:40 on him back whenever that trial was, but I didn't really run him at a high level and messed up basically everything
Commando is way worse cause he just can't kill anything in a decent time
but I guess I could see how getting top time for engie specifically could be frustrating rather than doing whatever the hell I'm doing which is go for a run that looks neat and put bleep-bloops over the video
clever orchid
@cyan stratus Which runs have suspicious seeding? I need to know your findings so I can investigate them and remove them from the leaderboards
Unless you're just making stuff up
cyan stratus
i'm not sure which run it was, but they seemed to know exactly how to route each map as well as getting a preon 1st try from a seemingly random shrine of luck
i already stated i don't know enough about the category to make claims like that, i was just saying i wasn't interesting in running that category
because large amounts of rng are required
clever orchid
I would try to avoid claiming that runs are cheated when you yourself also admit you wouldnt know any better
doesnt look too good honestly
cyan stratus
i never claimed anything was cheated
i said "i saw runs that looked suspicious"
i even stated multiple times i didn't know enough to claim anything
slim lintel
idk I think its always good to be skeptical about this type of thing. Especially in this game.
cheat engine isnt hard to use or download
clever orchid
I agree, its a good idea to be skeptical, but none of the times that I'm aware of are suspicious or have any signs of cheating
so if there is any, I'm very interested in knowing which ones are suspicious so I can check them out myself
But just going around saying "regular speedruns are suspicious and I dont trust them" is pointless unless you want to work with me to clear things up
cyan stratus
i wasn't trying to accuse anyone, nor trying to start any drama - the only reason i said that was to explain to someone why i wasn't interested in running the celestial portal category
slim lintel
You're making a bigger deal about this than is needed. We're just shitty trial runners that don't know anything about normal speedruns in this game
also this channel is 80% shit talk 15% talking about routes 5% people not knowing what trials are
deep shale
Personally, it gets really infuriating when there are people constantly making false claims about the way that we speedrun
slim lintel
again we're shitty trial runners with a shitty leaderboard full of scriptkiddies we trust no one
cyan stratus
i'm interested, what was my claim?
cyan stratus
yeah i understand that
i understand that you guys would probably get defensive, sorry for making a false accusation i guess
it was just a conversation btwn me and another guy, i was just explaining why i didn't feel like running it
deep shale
I've seen so many people say that we're cheating and modding when that isn't the case
cyan stratus
how can you be sure that the runs aren't seeded though? is there a visual indication?
deep shale
As far as we know there is no actual way to put in a seed
Atleast as far as I know if that isn't the case
vale steppe
@cyan stratus In your Mul-T run, how are you not losing momentum while shooting the rain gun? Your reticle looks strange too.