#prismatic-trials
cyan stratus
tribal hamlet
bro he zooms
cyan stratus
watch my video
slim lintel
lmao you miss the first jump on to the step at the start
cyan stratus
ok and it's still time capped for the 3rd crystal
tribal hamlet
he still beat you
cyan stratus
so i can afford to stumble a bit
yea wheres ur time huh
still at 2:48 or w/e? lol
tribal hamlet
dosnt matter if he missed a jump
slim lintel
Yeah, I don't feel like grinding a pointless trial that hard to get a rare spawn
cyan stratus
excuses π
tribal hamlet
ive gotten a 2:35 with the bulls
ancient depot
If you were a faster character then you could get a sub 2
cyan stratus
ok show me
ancient depot
Like arti
tribal hamlet
arti is trash
ancient depot
Iβve got a 0
cyan stratus
your time, not ur iq
ancient depot
Yes
tribal hamlet
cabbage and mishyro are top 2 and they are both mult
ancient depot
0 time
ancient depot
Arenβt there like bugs or something to go faster
cyan stratus
?
tribal hamlet
?
cyan stratus
you can use cheat engine sure
ancient depot
Thatβs cheating
tribal hamlet
but we dont lol
slim lintel
I could get 1:50 easily I just dont want to 
tribal hamlet
do it
cyan stratus
hmm sure i could get a 1:30 easily but i wont want to
ancient depot
See it just requires a faster character
tribal hamlet
no it dosnt
ancient depot
If you hit 100% of your crits
tribal hamlet
have you ever played mult lol
cyan stratus
wow yeah dude tas is faster than real time imagine that wow im so bad for being slower than tas
ancient depot
Yes
drowsy jetty
just blj into s2 LOOL
cyan stratus
wrong game
ancient depot
Cabbage are you number 1
cyan stratus
no
ancient depot
Y
tribal hamlet
mult can be very far away from crystels and hit for so much
cyan stratus
because hackers
slim lintel
pft not even good enough to beat cheaters
ancient depot
If it was regulated would you be number 1
slim lintel
a real gamer would just beat them with skill
drowsy jetty
a skilled mul-t can beat any cheater
cyan stratus
yea this is the prismatic trial channel
idk what you're doing here with that mod lol
drowsy jetty
the drop ur items into a printer speedrun strat π€
wanton ember
o oops worng chat my bad
cyan stratus
π€
wanton ember
sorry
slim lintel
this isnt so much a prismatic trial channel as it is a character worship circle jerk
ancient depot
Cabbage if cheaters were moderated would you win
cyan stratus
yes
ancient depot
Do you think you would make it in 10% even with cheaters
cyan stratus
i am in 10% with cheaters
tribal hamlet
same
ancient depot
Are you a cabbage or an apple
drowsy jetty
cherry
ancient depot
Definitely an apple
slim lintel
I agree its an apple
cyan stratus
wtf
slim lintel
I just image searched it on google and it said its an apple
drowsy jetty
canonically cherry
cyan stratus
that is correct
ancient depot
Longer stem or two would make it a cherry
cyan stratus
we held a vote
ancient depot
When
cyan stratus
couple days ago
ancient depot
This is biased
cyan stratus
no it isn't
ancient depot
Probably hacked I blame Russia
cyan stratus
team cherry won by a landslide
tribal hamlet
cheeto man
tribal hamlet
its a cherry
cyan stratus
nice cherry picking images there
tribal hamlet
π
slim lintel
thats huntress
tribal hamlet
no this is 
slim lintel
actually its an orange, not an apple or a cherry
tribal hamlet
it a cheeto
idle cape
yeah idrfl grinding if its luck
tribal hamlet
idle cape
yeah i am part of mult cult
tribal hamlet
ever y one should be lol
slim lintel
I modded mult out of my game
idle cape
bahaha your the arti right?
cyan stratus
slim lintel
people that play mult still sleep in a racecar bed with spiderman comforters
slim lintel
a shitty first clear I'm not going to bother improving
cyan stratus
lol
idle cape
this one is kinda dumb to me too
the luck thats pretty much required to get a good time is lame
tribal hamlet
excuses
slim lintel
I knew a world event trigger was going to be high tier one trial, I also knew I wouldnt bother when that time came
cyan stratus
just kill the bisons with your execute ability
useless arti cant even kill some bisons
slim lintel
kinda hard when theres 6 of them and half of them spawn stuck in different areas of the map
idle cape
the bisons are dumb cus the one flame one is like 100000 feet away
cyan stratus
yeah, executing hordes is your only niche
slim lintel
I don't have to prove myself I've beat the top mult's plenty of times
idle cape
some trials are better for other surviors
slim lintel
its sad, huntress could be so good at trials if she could just kill bosses
idle cape
fax
slim lintel
hoping whatever characters they end up adding are viable for trials so we have more options than this never ending 
war
cyan stratus
i remain loyal
idle cape
ill keep trying since i have nothing better to do and no better games to play
slim lintel
I'll prob keep loyal to arti but bandit is my boi
idle cape
wish me luck to keep my sanity lol;
tribal hamlet
im draing a mult rn
slim lintel
draing an arti instead
tribal hamlet
mine gonna be better
idle cape
day 1082: still no titan... idk how much longer i can survive.
cyan stratus
it's day 2 my guy
tulip yacht
I got like 286 with commando Β―_(γ)_/Β―
cyan stratus
cyan stratus
i think i know who you're talking about
cyan stratus
oh no
cyan stratus
1:01 pause or bust
tribal hamlet
this is gonna be epic
cyan stratus
with crit 1:00
cyan stratus
if you cant get it consistently thats not good since you need a ton of those to get 1 titan
tribal hamlet
just drawing
idle cape
yeah im pretty consistent but the luck isnt there for me
tribal hamlet
stupid 3 mag gun thing is annoying to draw
idle cape
are you drawing lord and savior mult?
i wonder what kinda rewards top 10
% will get\
slim lintel
5 lunar coins and an email congratulating you on your worthless victory
tribal hamlet
im about half way done
slim lintel
and mult's get nothing because if you play mult you may as well be cheating
tribal hamlet
ok mr exicute every thing thats slightly under half and burn everything
drowsy jetty
it would be pretty funny if somehow engi would be the fastest char in a trial one day
slim lintel
lmao you all act like the icewall is a godsend but it doesn't even work properly 80% of the time
tribal hamlet
wdym i have used arti before never didnt work for me
slim lintel
constantly enemies sit in there with their HP below the threshold and dont die until you hit them with another form of damage
tribal hamlet
ok cool
cyan stratus
maybe if u could aim you could hit them with another form of damage
tribal hamlet
not that hard
cyan stratus
arti mains need everything handed to them smh
cyan stratus
zzzzzz
imagine just shooting something and watching it burn to death rather than having to work hard to kill things yourself
slim lintel
Ya'll're pathetic
tribal hamlet
am confuzzled
cyan stratus
seriously though, character specific leaderboards when
and when will there be some form of anticheat
tribal hamlet
i hate how a speedrun can be determined by a very small rng chance
slim lintel
the world events need to be removed from trials
cyan stratus
yeah they gotta get rid of stuff from trials
- remove lunar pods
- remove random world boss events
- remove critical hits
- character specific leaderboards
- some sort of anticheat / moderation
- remove arti from the game
slim lintel
pretty sure racism is against the rules
cyan stratus
yeah, can't even race well in trials lmao gotem
slim lintel
You're just mad the crappiest character has the ability to beat you
a character with no mobility
cyan stratus
beat my time with engi
tribal hamlet
whare the proof?
engi the worst lol
my mult is a little elongated
in the tall way
very tall
cyan stratus
= 
= 
= 
tribal hamlet
slim lintel
ah so you admit arti is the worst char and you have to play it on drizzle
cyan stratus
i organized them by difficulty level, not the level you have to play it on
i bet u have to play on drizzle bc movement too slow lmao
slim lintel
keep telling yourself that bub
cyan stratus
no crystals in main game lol gotem
slim lintel
I can loop as long as I want on monsoon you buffoon
cyan stratus
π€
drowsy jetty
mega brain, wait in ur pod until enemies stop spawning
cyan stratus
actual 800iq
tribal hamlet
cabbage wanna see my mult drawing its in content creation
dim knoll
are you eventually just goint to make them all equal?
toxic niche
i tried a bunch of times, i don't think any legit huntress can get below 3:00
tribal hamlet
its not possible
drowsy jetty
this is prismatic not normal gameplay
idle cape
bahahahahahaha artis exicute is not 100%
tribal hamlet
idle cape
as the legendary arti main, iforgotwho, once said.. "constantly enemies sit in there with their HP below the threshold and dont die until you hit them with another form of damage"
thats fing legendary
tribal hamlet
what should i draw
slim lintel
No, I mean that little chunk of highlighted HP that is the threshold. Enemies will walk in to it and be at 10% hp well below that line and unfreeze and walk out of it.
tribal hamlet
let me go find one so i can take a screen shot
cyan stratus
that drawing is legendary
excellent job, i am proud to have you as a member of the MULT cult
slim lintel
tbh I'm just gonna mute this channel, enjoy your mult circle jerk o/ too much for me
cyan stratus
typical arti main, running from conflict
slim lintel
meh it was fun at first but now it's just a 3 on 1
cyan stratus
lol where did zunts go
i miss that guy
but yeah until prismatic trials actually become competitive this channel is 90% memes
tribal hamlet
i cant find a overloaded titan so im just gonna draw a regular
cyan stratus
hmm i think i remember a video of someone fighting an overloaded titan
oh found it https://youtu.be/bjiIsPftfjQ
tribal hamlet
oh yea i guess
lol
cant find a clear frame
so imma just draw a titan
he is ethier facing right or getting blasted
lofty crater
Hmm, a friend of mine is saying he got Vagrant/Worm as his bosses for the prismatic, but I got Titan/Glacial Bighorns... would there be a reason for the difference?
tribal hamlet
ummm
i have never seen a vagrent or worm for this one
i have only seen titan bighorns or wisps
cyan stratus
for this trial, you can get a worm if you spend too much time before activating the second teleported
lofty crater
Got it, his time is a bit longer than mine
cyan stratus
what time you activate the teleporter at determines your boss
also, if you get a warning message at the beginning of the stage, the boss changes
means a titan will spawn
lofty crater
I got that on a normal run earlier, so many lasers
cyan stratus
that's the best you can get, much better than the bisons
it's what i got for my 2:02
lethal pebble
I got Titan -> Worm
then Titan -> Bison
versed fern
I got Bison -> Worm
tribal hamlet
why does a titan look so lumpy
toxic niche
Yo cabbage, good news. I downloaded OBS so i'll record my speedruns now. Too bad i don't have the 2:10 on precious trial and this one is sh!t for huntress.
tribal hamlet
For you gavinator
idle cape
how are people getting worm second???
tribal hamlet
by being slow
I think i messed u p the colors a bit
titan is more navy blue than black
cyan stratus
that makes it original
cyan stratus
π
white frost
What kinda idiot decided to name it the MUL-T Cult and not the MUL-T CUL-T
tribal hamlet
Am done
mild thicket
o:
ocean sparrow
can prismatic be done with coop or solo only
tribal hamlet
solo only
cyan stratus
because if you say that it says "multy culty" and that sounds stupid
tribal hamlet
cabbage how u like the drawing
cyan stratus
is good π
cyan stratus
lol idk, i'm not creative
mild thicket
Draw us MUL-T
He's often the most left out when it comes to art :(
Also we should take this to #ror-art-and-content
tribal hamlet
i already did
nimble veldt
draw = π
white frost
wait you got the titan again?
does that mean it's determistic and determined by time or did you get super lucky twice
white frost
i miss critpreons
white frost
sure beats farming titans
cyan stratus
i actually disagree entirely
it's 1:00 to get to stage 2 for a reset
compared to 2min+ to check if you get the crit
sure i've only gotten titan twice and wisps once but at least it's reasonable
im fine with my current time, i have some other stuff to work on so no wr for me but im not gonna bash my head against a wall trying for 2+ crystal crits on s1 + a titan
tribal hamlet
@cyan stratus yea BRO ITS STAYING
cyan stratus
lol dude ur embarrasing me with that time go get a sub 2:10 at least π
cyan stratus
is not bully its suggestion
i have a pretty nice video that showcases some strats for you to follow
tribal hamlet
ive watched this vid like 3 times
cyan stratus
hmm maybe if you watch it again you can improve your time
proper dome
white frost
He gets the titan from a random event that turns the level into only golems
The odds of it happening are absurd
slim lintel
welcome to the club
white frost
I put a feedback in feedbacks
It's not like I have a snowballs chance at the record anyway but watching some get a random event isn't as impressive as all the moves you've gotta pull
Cabbage's run is impressive don't get me wrong
slim lintel
what the heck I had the same thing right before you and got downvoted and barely any upvotes
white frost
Oh I should've checked for that I guess
slim lintel
oh well as long as the point gets across
white frost
Hm your suggestion says to remove them while mine is to make them predictable, maybe that's the diff
It could be i just got a pileon from #theorycrafting because I went there to confirm that it was indeed based on complete random rather than the seed
And it is. 2% chance apparently
slim lintel
Yeah having it tied to the seed is also good, either way it can't stay the way it is
white frost
I'd like to see something done about crits but I don't really know what
Like at minimum remove the natural 1% so you need a lensmakers to do crit stuff
10% isn't as awful a farm
slim lintel
hopoo or paul don't remember which said they were looking for a solution for crits
cyan stratus
"just poppin in to say that im not a fan of rerolling runs over and over again for lucky crits, it wont be included next patch but ill see if theres an elegant solution"
-hopoo
white frost
It is, but I'm guessing 2% for getting a world event at all, and then it has a bunch of monsters to pick between
cyan stratus
i've done probably ~200 runs this trial to s2 and 2 titan 1 wisp
so i guess around 3/200 is near enough 2%
white frost
Yeah 200 isn't enough to give statistically significant results
There's this videogame I used to play where the odds say 1 in 200 of a type of enemy would drop a thing I wanted
cyan stratus
true
white frost
I've killed over 1000 and I never saw the fucking drop
Haven't really played the game since
cyan stratus
lol which one
white frost
Spiral Knights, an action MMO released in like 2011
They have an event that happens twice per year
cyan stratus
yeah mmos do that
white frost
Where an enemy has a 1/200 chance of being a spooky dark version
That spooky version has a 1/200 chance of dropping the fucking material you need
You need 6 of that material to make one armour set, and there's 4 armour sets
tl;dr buy our premium currency so you can get a videogame armour for hundreds of actual dollars
cyan stratus
mmos in a nutshell
cyan stratus
that's why the only mmo i play is bdo, and only casually
white frost
Sega took over, lead designer left to make Slime Rancher, all downhill from there
What's BDO now
white frost
Oh yeah I've heard of it
cyan stratus
dont play it if you haven't gotten into it already
white frost
No intention to
slim lintel
I used to play a lot of FFXIV but their content got super lazy
white frost
Did you fight that boss that takes 18 hours
slim lintel
spend a whole year and a half making a weapon through the updates through bland and boring grind content and it's never as good as any of the current stuff
sour cloak
Hey wait till Shadowbringer
slim lintel
Nah I already hard quit that game. I also live in one of the places that gets severe packet loss to their servers for absolutely no reason
sour cloak
Oh damn
slim lintel
had it when the servers were in canada and still had it when they moved to cali
also idk what boss you're talking about that takes 18 hours
unless its some eureka garbage
stray saddle
no they are confusing FFXV with FFXIV
I think they are referring to adamantoise in FF15
tribal hamlet
yeet
stray saddle
yeah 14 has a 90 minute time limit on the instances and most end game bosses have a enrage timer of between 10-20 minutes
cyan stratus
18 hours to beat a boss π
tribal hamlet
easy
cyan stratus
sounds like something i would do over the weekend
is it at least a raid boss you do with other players? or are you alone in your endeavor
tribal hamlet
im drawing engi
cyan stratus
oh right i played engi once, you can just put a paperweight on your w key and do the laundry while he slowly crawls to the other side of the map
it's nice that they added some afk content
tribal hamlet
yea he easy mode
cyan stratus
yea the turrets do all the work for you
slim lintel
Ever look at the character poll they did? Arti beat mult by almost twice as much
tribal hamlet
whare
tribal hamlet
thats because they havnt discoverd mults power
slim lintel
nah its because fidget spinner robot is boring
slim lintel
engi is for when you want to play 1 handed
cyan stratus
true
tribal hamlet
engi looks weird
slim lintel
man whats with all these people wanting arti's m1 to have slight homing a disgrace to the arti name
slim lintel
I know, having any homing on it at all would be annoying as homing always likes the target to thing you didnt want to attack
tribal hamlet
im drawing father fungus
slim lintel
fungus daddy
cyan stratus
lmao just got a 0:59.24 out of s1 and got the air begins to burn warning
what a slap in the face
tribal hamlet
its in content creation
cyan stratus
should i post my prismatic trial runs in content creation
it's content and i created it
cyan stratus
nah i bet nobody there even knows what a prismatic trial is
white frost
It's that side content scythes are locked behind
cyan stratus
F
slim lintel
probably because mult is the best char for them and mult is one of the least liked chars
almost as disliked as commando
cyan stratus
you're implying that "not favorite" = disliked
wow, you can get a old stealthkit speed buff off of the first wisp that gives you a clean 0:58 out of s1
no titan but still some more rng π
white frost
would you guys like random things like procs and crits to work deterministically in prismatics?
devout oar
Mul-t is my favorite :(
white frost
I'm not sure how I'd do it, but something like if you have an 11% chance of crit, you'd get a crit for every attack that checks the crit between 0-0.11 each second
but probably distributed in a more interesting way than that
devout oar
I want to uh, not be required to spend lunar coins in a trial run in order to pick up glass out of a lunar pod to get the fastest possible time lmao
white frost
that bit is also ding-doodles
devout oar
Ding doodles indeed
white frost
I'm gonna write a big essay on the steam forums where nobody will read it or care
white frost
Just before I launched into it I wanted to check with people who are far more into the trials than I could ever be if you guys find the crits and the procs and whatever to be a problem
'cause ultimately it's no skin of my nose, I just wanna have a fun run, maybe make a neat video and put bleep-bloop music over it
but what do the people at the front lines think
devout oar
I think devs mentioned that they were aware of the crit farming conundrum in trails in one of their dev thoughts thing
white frost
oh I think I missed that
devout oar
It was the latest one I believe
devout oar
I think so, I canβt find the link for it
slim lintel
I don't think they said anything about it in a thoughts Hopoo jumped in this channels and said something about it
white frost
well I'mma launch into my essay and send it into the void
What do you think of crits and procs, iforgotwho?
devout oar
Crits and procs are such a fundamental part of the game that I donβt think thereβs an elegant way to change them just to make trials runs less luck based
If you do make them follow a more predictable order (i.e. they proc on every X attack with greater frequency as chance grows) then routes carefully count out their attacks for a strategic crit/proc on a specific enemy during the run
Like you do a certain number of attacks so that your preon crits the boss or something
I donβt think thatβs an ideal solution
But I donβt know what else would be
slim lintel
honestly one solution is just make the trials longer and have objectives that make you go around the map more, like an object you have to interact with E. Would give more movement and time to pick up items also them taking longer would make you not want to farm for the crit as much
cyan stratus
there's no way to remove all rng from prismatic trials, like if a wisp spawns behind you it can boost you forward which is rng. the major things that need changing is crit rate (reduce base rate to 0%), remove lunar pods, maybe even newt altars because i don't doubt that one day that's gonna be meta for a trial, and get rid of the alternate boss spawns
slim lintel
lunar pods are fine, they just need to reward a coin every time you beat the trial
velvet citrus
how long is a prismatic trail
slim lintel
for fast bois anywhere from 1:50 to 2:40 depending on the trial, for your average boi anywhere from 4-10 minutes
cyan stratus
rewarding a coin for completing a trial is probably up there with one of the stupidest things that i've ever heard
1 coin per 2min is ridiculous
slim lintel
it would basically just be paying you back for if theres a usable pod in the level
cyan stratus
but people would just play them normally?
why not just have lunar things not cost coins instead
slim lintel
either way, but my way at least when you're doing runs you're gaining something other than depression
cyan stratus
idk dude my heart goes 160bpm when i see that titan msg
white frost
https://steamcommunity.com/app/632360/discussions/2/1678063648171333367/ here's my rant if anyone cares
slim lintel
also considering looping to obliterate takes around 15~ minutes for 5 coins that wouldnt be too bad
white frost
oh fuck I forgot to bring up lunars
cyan stratus
i agreed
toxic niche
cabbage, u here?
cyan stratus
1/2
toxic niche
i recorded a vid of my huntress run - i hate it cuz it's super rng based - but do i just drag it in here from my files? or...?
cyan stratus
upload to youtube
toxic niche
what # prismatic trial is this? 9?
white frost
I think so
toxic niche
hahaha, horrible quality
white frost
oh shit counterpoints from cabbage
toxic niche
i've never recorded or anything so it's w/e
only 3:31 but i'll take it. sad that i don't have my 2:10 from last trial
anyway, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze0S2EO8bqU
cyan stratus
neat
toxic niche
my fastest p1 was 1:47 but i spawned greater wisps then and that fked me
cyan stratus
oh bandolier rng is a thing
slim lintel
you could stand closer to titan and never bother with the laser, also will group enemies up to help with glaive and get more wil'o'wisp damage
toxic niche
laser kills huntress sadly enough
slim lintel
if you stand close he wont do the laser
cyan stratus
no shaped glass, low effort
slim lintel
stay within a few feet of him and titan will only do the ground aoe and the thing above his head that shoots stuff
idle cape
still trying for titan. still no luck. still pissed.
white frost
I replied to your reply, Cabbage
cyan stratus
idk why we aren't discussing this here
i brought up preon because it's the single highest damage attack in the game which benefits the most from random crits. capacitor doesn't even really come close in that regard
cyan stratus
it's the only held item with that kind of burst damage and other bursts are abilities that have shorter cooldowns
white frost
preon is 4000% and capacitor is 3000%, but it doesn't have all the bouncy lightning bullshit that predates the attack itself of course
cyan stratus
the aoe stacks the damage up a ton
white frost
and you could run into I don't fucking know
say you have capcaitor and ukulele
and you hit the boss, and an enemy is so close to the boss you hit that enemy too
cyan stratus
true, tons of rng
white frost
yo uget a crit and that procs a ukulele
for 80% of the damage back to the boss
and then the ukulele is somehow also a crit
the odds are astronomical which is what makes it awful
cyan stratus
yeah, every speedrun has rng that can influence things like that
it's just that the thing we've seen most is 11% crit preon at the end of runs
white frost
qwik maffs says that the scenario above adds up to 3000% * 3.6
10800% damage
the 11% is kinda shitty but the 1% preon is ultra shitty
near horizon
is the boss on the second world rng or time based? i've got the bisons at least 30 times in a row now π¦
cyan stratus
world rng
white frost
so I figured I'd bring up that you can get way worse
cyan stratus
1% chance for titan
cyan stratus
np, good luck lol
white frost
well good talk anyway. I'm sure hopoo will do what's best for the game
white frost
What I suspect they'll do
If they wanna be cautious about it
It was brought up that at some point the modifiers for trials could start changing on a per trial basis
I could see them adding one such modifier that disables crit
Observe what people think about it when it means lensmakers will do nothing, and make it permanent if it catches on
But even then the problem isn't exactly solved because instead of a crit preon you could get a preon sticky bomb
What if proc chances were just boosted in prismatics
Say you remove the natural crit, but a pair of lensmakers would add 20% instead of 10%
cyan stratus
i dont have a good solution
white frost
Basically double all chances across the board
Prismatics feel more exciting in general, and grinding for crits and procs is reduced simply because they happen more often
It also makes items worth going after
toxic niche
@slim lintel thanks, that was actually a really really usefull tip, i got 2:53 now (with proof)
slim lintel
π
zenith plinth
k who pinged me this time
jolly sage
Fastest time I've been able to pass first world yet! 1:15.40
tribal hamlet
cheetoman
tough rain
Stone titan isn't supposed to laser if you get too close, right?
near violet
Nope, it keeps triggering his melee attacks
cyan stratus
@jolly sage is that with mult?
signal scroll
Oh... Today's prismatic trial has an overloading magma worm instead of an overloading worm... welp
tribal hamlet
@signal scroll if you go faster thare wont even be a worm
cyan stratus
and if you praise rng you get a titan
white frost
oh new trial?
I didn't feel like bison-wrangling or farming for golems in the last one
white frost
I saw new boss but I guess it was just the timer
cyan stratus
hey @toxic niche idk if i ever actually apologized to you for accusing you of hacking, it's just that your times seemed suspicious and literally all the top hacked times were huntress. i just realize that you're good at huntress, thanks for posting the proof π
slim lintel
'round here you're guilty of cheating until proven innocent
cyan stratus
tbh a huntress with times like that yea
considering we have a bunch of actual cheaters coming here and flaunting their times
slim lintel
overall huntress is good, she only struggles with bosses
white frost
and even bosses she's just a few items away from fixing
getting a bandolier lets you throw a glaive, hurt the boss hard, kill the nearby enemy you used for bouncing, possibly get a glaive refill + arrow rain refill
there happens to be a bandolier in this trial too
toxic niche
Thanks Cabbage, glad I cleared my name π
lone cradle
wait you can get shaped glass in prismatic trials? That seems kinda bad imo. You shouldn't have to spend lunar coins on a speedrun that you're probably gonna run dozens of times to try to get the best time.
Especially if it resets so often
If it didn't use lunar coins during prismatic trial then sure np but just seems like a bad idea
bitter cloud
@lone cradle yeah i put that in feedback
lone cradle
π
bitter cloud
i felt it was quite annoying as well
didnt get that many upvotes though, maybe like 20
ok, i got 29 on it
lone cradle
I upvoted it as well, at 29 now
bitter cloud
haha, howd you find it? im curious just because i struggle with finding certain things sometimes
bitter cloud
ok, sometimes that doesnt work for me, so i dont know what im doing wrong
lone cradle
white frost
my suggestion to make world spawning deterministic is stuck at 40
ain't nobody gonna scroll up to it so it's dead I guess
I put an upboop on the lunar coins but 30 isn't looking too promising for it getting through
bitter cloud
idk, its gone up like 10 since yesterday, so some people are still looking at it
if it fails we'll just post it again with a bit more detail and better wording π
lone cradle
I upvoted. I didn't even know that was a thing tbh, I just recently got into doing prismatic trials. Got to #168 on the last one. But I had no idea world events could spawn, that's definitely not the way it should be. Should be the same enemies, same spawns, no lunar coins needed every run, so it comes down to the skill of the player and less about luck.
bitter cloud
yeah, someone suggested a way to fix crits on trials as well
white frost
in principle I think world events are fine, it's no different than getting different bosses and the world changing if you cross a portal which can lead to interesting routes
lone cradle
the only rng coming into play at that point would be crits and AI pathing
white frost
but them being straight up random is baloney
bitter cloud
since getting a crit on a preon, with 5% is a major time saver
white frost
crits are 1%, or 11% if you get a lensmakers
bitter cloud
i thought you had base 5%
white frost
removing crits is a slippery slope, because once that's gone it'll come down to getting a sticky bomb on your preon instead which isn't better at all
bitter cloud
hmm, i guess thinking about it base crit doesnt seem to happen very often, so maybe 1% would make sense
white frost
naw, but yo uget 5% if you pick up scythes or predatory instincts
lone cradle
I didn't know preds give crit rate? I thought that was just scythes
and lens maker ofc
white frost
I wanna say it's both, even though logbook doesn't mention
bitter cloud
well i thought when the sticky bomb procs, it deals for 250% damage, and that 250% is based on your characters level
not determined at all by what procced it
white frost
no, the 250% is based on the attack that procced
tri-tip deals 240% of your base character damage
bitter cloud
is this tested? or is it described somewhere?
white frost
you can test this really easily by using Commando and proccing with double-tap close and from afar, the damage is doubled if you're close
white frost
I dunno if current prismatic trial has a sticky but I used a prismatic that had sticky and tri-tips
log book will state this if you read carefully
most proc items says "xxx% of damage"
tri-tip and other effects that aren't proc like fireworks will says "xxx% of BASE damage"
bitter cloud
ahh, yes i see that now, i wasnt referencing it to anything else
white frost
you can end up in the absurd situation of critting with a royal capacitor, having it proc a ukulele, and also having that ukulele crit
ukulele would technically be doing quad damage in that case
bitter cloud
lol i type in ukulele into google and the third search is ukulele risk of rain 2
white frost
there's other broken combos like it, like having a Rejuvenation Rack and Corpsebloom but that's less relevant for prismatics
bitter cloud
ok this is making more sense, sometimes im confused on whats dealing so much damage
white frost
of course, ukulele can proc more ukuleles so
bitter cloud
and knowing that some things are based on what procced it helps with knowing why things work
white frost
wait I've gotta ask about this shit in theorycrafting
slim lintel
put discord in dev mode and you can make a link directing to your feedback post, you can put that link in #ror2-feedback-discussion to try and farm more upvotes
white frost
hm i guess
okay back from theorycrafting, the quad damage thing can't actually happen
proc damage is always based on pre-crit damage, but ukulele will crit if the proccing hit critted, so it'll at least be double damage
ukulele can also not proc ukulele, it can only proc stickies, bleed etc which can't proc anything at all
a ukulele chain only happens if you kill something to trigger an on-kill effect, wisp explosion can proc whatever and very efficiently too
bitter cloud
well if ukuleles could proc themselves, they would basically be just like will-o-wisp
broken with a lot of them
white frost
yeah I was imagining a crazy exponential growth scenario but it's apparently not that broken
bitter cloud
i mean, having 30 ukuleles is still pretty good, but nothing like what will-o-wisp can do
cyan stratus
ukulele > will o wisp
bitter cloud
but if ukuleles could proc themselves at the same rate, having some clovers, would just make lightning chains until practically everything is dead
ukeleles are probably better for a couple items, but eventually wil-o-wisp wins
cyan stratus
"Make a Meme"
bitter cloud
jokes on you, I didnt even make it
bitter cloud
im supposed to be doing homework right now, but i got sucked into looking at prismatic trials ch at >.>
just looking to see if anyone else got the overloading titan to spawn
cyan stratus
i mean i've done about 400ish attempts so far, titan 3x wisps 1x
but if you cut out the attempts that didn't make it to s2 it's more 200-300
bitter cloud
i see you cleaned up a bit on getting to the first teleporter as well
a low 29 when starting
cyan stratus
i always start 28:xx now
when i dont stumble on the stairs i get there p fast
also if the wisp shoots you and stealthkit proc you can get s1 0:58 pause
but i really have better things to do so i'm done grinding this trial
bitter cloud
yeah, sub 2 would take too long to get, i mean even what youve done so far is beyond most people
toxic niche
nice... sadly enough i can't get titan with huntress cuz i lose too much time on s1
bitter cloud
well, beyond everyone as of rn right?
toxic niche
well, i did a lot of runs too, but only got 3bisons, 6bisons and 3 greater wisps
bitter cloud
oh wow, someone actually took the time to beat you
bitter cloud
yeah keeping a record of your best rank/time would be pretty neat
toxic niche
that'd be nice, ingame tracker for your prismatic trials history
cyan stratus
i think thats called a vac ban
im on mobile i cant see who added question mark
speak up
toxic niche
β
cyan stratus
yea you
toxic niche
vac ban for what?
cyan stratus
ppl hack, a trial history would be evidence
toxic niche
all the more reason to add it
cyan stratus
i got like 6th legit trial3, then 2nd for 4 but didnt uplpad those
all othrr runs ihavr on chsmmel
ok im too tired heaing to bed
bitter cloud
speaking of a speedrun real quick, 8 second hanger in doom ultraviolent >.>
if only we had 1 year to crack down on a prismatic trial seed π
white frost
That run took a lot of grinding
bitter cloud
50000 attempts or so I've heard
I dont know whats worse, super long speedruns, or super short speedruns
well probably super long ones, but super short ones are super hard to beat
super super super
white frost
anything much longer than a feature film and I'm sure as hell not watching it, but anything below that from 8 sseconds to 90 minutes can be fascinating
bitter cloud
i think my ideal speedrunning is like 10 minute mark
these 2-3 minute prismatic trials seem a bit short to me
white frost
sometimes even longer runs get so optimized it becomes about saving frames
bitter cloud
but hey, its still speedrunning
bitter cloud
super mario bros, without including 0-exit is like 9:41
oh wait, thats super mario world
super mario bros yeah, thats a 4:56?
white frost
shaving a second off that came down to finding like a specific frame to jump on to enter a pipe a few pixels early it's pretty fascinating
white frost
I saw a side by side between current world record and a TAS and if you showed me each individually I could not tell you the difference
bitter cloud
but its definitely long for how much frames are shaved off each record
white frost
it's considerably longer than 8 seconds but I agree that it's pretty short
bitter cloud
in the grand scheme of thing, completing smw 8 seconds faster doesnt sound like much
its like ehh, only 8 seconds
but the amount of time that goes into making a 5:03 into a 4:55 is immense
clever orchid
@bitter cloud You can speedrun 4 map or CE runs for RoR2, 4 map is about 9 minutes and CE is about 15
bitter cloud
oh right, didnt even think about speedrun.com for this game
clever orchid
Theres also a speedrunning discord link in the forum on the sidebar on there
white frost
I dunno, a speedrun of the main game kinda feels like watching someone speedrun Ludo
good job rolling those dice, very impressive
clever orchid
Thats your opinion
bitter cloud
yeah, but i mean thats just how random generation works, just like mafia
clever orchid
Others find it fun
white frost
it isn't _not_an issue with prismatics just from crits, but at least the maps are generally equal and 50% of the run isn't waiting for a teleporter
clever orchid
Fixing the teleporter is something we would love to see happen, either expanding the range or removing it after killing a boss
Its one of the biggest downgrades coming from ror1
white frost
the thing is teleporter serves a functino outside of speedruns, an it's an important one
it's there to balance slow-and-steady character like commando from being completely left in the dust by MUL-T and Artificer who can both vaporize bosses
being able to instantly go for chests is a huge advantage, but with the current tele conditions a survivor only needs to be strong enough to kil lhe boss within the timer to stand a fighting chance
which they all currently are, even on monsoon with no items a huntress can take down a vagrant and still wait for the timer
bitter cloud
whats the reason for the area to begin with though?
did they say why they felt it needed to be added?
white frost
Hopoo mentioned it in an interview last year, can't remember where
clever orchid
The only explanation I've seen was that it was mainly for quickplay to promote working together to kill bosses
white frost
the idea is that in multiplayer everyone had an incentive to gather around and cooperate at least onceper level, and having an area you want to be inside of means that bosses can have area denial attacks and they'll matter, like vagrant's blast
bitter cloud
maybe because the bosses arent quite as aggresive? like they cant hunt you down as well as in ror1
clever orchid
They actually hunt you down more aggressively in this game
white frost
but online only one player needs to be in the tele zone and it sucks to be the guy who is there because he misses out on chestrs
bitter cloud
ok, well maybe i was thinking more anecdotally, i was thinking of the wandering vagarant
white frost
Timer needs to go down faster if more people are in it or outright require everyone alive to be present
bitter cloud
that would not leav you alone in ror1, but in ror2 it just kinda floats there
clever orchid
yeah vagrant is really the only one that got less aggressive
even then it still tries to path to you if you break line of sight
white frost
magma worm seems pretty lazy too
bitter cloud
the titans fist is just kinda funny
white frost
soon as the worm spawned in RoR1 you'd get a bigass arrow right on you
bitter cloud
just from accross the map
clever orchid
magma worm tries to path to you but it has serious pathing issues right now
which I'm pretty sure theyre aware of
bitter cloud
also, when are we gonna get ancient wisp boss
is that what the greater wisps are placehgolding or something?
clever orchid
greater wisps existed in ror1 too
bitter cloud
tbh doesnt make any sense to me why i cant use the blackhole on the greater wisps
clever orchid
there just isnt an ancient wisp boss I guess
I'm still waiting for the most fearsome enemy from ror1 to come over: gup
bitter cloud
or how about some blighted enemies?
native glacier
fungal mushrooms
clever orchid
canonically prov is dead, but who knows
still zinc
a w is being worked on it seems 
toxic niche
I kinda like the short speedruns. I've never really done any speedrunning before. As long as it's short, everyone can try to get a good time - sub 10mins, sub 3mins, whichever you aim for - without having to spend too much time on it.
cyan stratus
yes
cyan stratus
NOPE
caps
i just forgot who beat my time but then remembered it was you
yea ok i think a trained chimpanzee that gets 2 crits s1 plus a titan could beat my time too
π π
cyan stratus
that's the spirit lol
last time i got a titan was like 1:03.9 out of s1... still got a high 2:03
pb s1 0:58 so stitch those 2 together and i beat your time π
toxic niche
you still have a little over 9hours left to train a chimp π
toxic niche
you think the prismatic trials should have seperate highscores for each character besides the global one?
young salmon
nah half the fun is finding the right character for the job
slow willow
And finding those stupid buttons in the desert
I don't even know for how many i look
young salmon
howcome the second stage has different bosses sometimes?
is there a way to manipulate the RNG or is it some kinda bug
frosty heath
idk happened to me as well, i got whisps
slow willow
That's an event
Lemme guess, the message in bottom left corner said something like "The air is burning"?
frosty heath
didnt check chat log π¦
slow willow
Press Enter to open it π
frosty heath
but i know what u mean, had that happened on a normal run, something with "trembling" and a massive wave of golems spawned
slow willow
That's golem only
frosty heath
yeah kinda suprised those events can happen in prismatic trials lol
so the fastest recorded run is 2:15 on the current trials right?
slow willow
I don't even know how that's possible tbh
If i think alone about the travel time and Portal charge
frosty heath
i just saw cabbage's video, he got the golems 
slow willow
I played the thing 3 times and got about 5 min
young salmon
yeah golem and 2nd stage is crazy
frosty heath
frosty heath
apparently not and it sucks tbh ^^
slow willow
The Turrets for the Stage 2 boss and Shield for the stage 1 boss are a god send
young salmon
i got just below 4 mins as engi without getting an event
slow willow
My Bisons bailed on me as well...
young salmon
yeah, if you wait till the bisons are grouped by your turrets you can use the powerful item on them
does like 75% health
frosty heath
yeah i did that but it's to much rng getting everything group up? ufff ^^
or i'm just 2 bad for it
young salmon
yea it's a nasty second stage
frosty heath
i would also really like to do more attempts but i'm out of lunar coins π¦ i hope the upcoming trials won't need lunar coins π
celest tundra
slow willow
oml I have to stay on the button? How am i supposed to get through the gate? Sentry?
cyan stratus
@frosty heath why did you link my 2:15
if you want a fast time just reset every time you dont get the warning message s2, only grab the glass when you get the warning
white frost
Okay so there's two things. One is a completely random world event which is bullshit
But sometimes the teleporter boss changes depending on your clock
There's been at least or instance of runners having to hold back a second so they could fight an easy titan instead of a horde of wisps
I find that pretty interesting and would like so see world events work the same way
cyan stratus
yeah and it's also cool that you need to cap your framerate in order for them to work properly, really neat
white frost
Cap your framerate for what to work now
cyan stratus
π¦
frosty heath
i posted it because luna said that he did not know how that's even possible
oh wait u posted a 2:02, just realized
now everything makes sense
tribal hamlet
ooooo only an hour left untill next seed
cyan stratus
will it be crit preon or random boss event this time π
tribal hamlet
yes
tribal hamlet
i wanna increace my time
cyan stratus
thought the goal was to decrease it
cyan stratus
that's pretty close to what i always get for my first run
tribal hamlet
cus ur looking at the stuff right
slim lintel
im gonna commando this shit
slim lintel
think I see a good stage1 line for mult but I think arti is cuck'd
tribal hamlet
i think im first other than hackers but the arti might not be
tribal hamlet
what im doing now is going for the energy drink and syringe on s1
how you doing it cabbage
fast trellis
Are y'all racing through your first runs or are you just trying to figure out what items there are/paths you can take?
slim lintel
find items scout crystal then come up with a route and see how it feels
fast trellis
This is my first time trying this, or even playing this sort of game, so I'm entirely new to it lol
For one glorious moment I was rank 4 though
What was the last record, for reference?
slim lintel
considering the 3 huntress' up at top are def cheaters that was actually #1 technically
Now I'm #4 idk I feel like mults gonna win this one out due to travel time alone
tribal hamlet
im right behind my cabbage brother
slim lintel
alright 2:30 on a pretty trashy run with some wasted time I think I'm done for now. Pretty boring trial
I can see arti getting 2:22~ tops unless a way better line is found/some item I missed
white frost
Are there bisons
slim lintel
nope beetle queen and overloading titan
titanic plains for first level and swamp ass for second
white frost
That's the kind of boring i can get on board with
I don't think swamps have been in a trial before
slim lintel
worst map in game
one of the more interesting to look at, but it's actual ass to play on
white frost
It provides cover from the titan laser that apparently nobody knows how to deal with
tribal hamlet
prob just gotta route better
white frost
Is it too much to expect there to not be a preon in this one
white frost
I can live pretty well with this kind of boring
drowsy jetty
cloaked equipment canister preon incoming (can cloaked equipment barrels even exist)
white frost
No, only cloaked chests but who knows if they can contain equipment
Shrine of chance can fart out an effigy of grief
cyan stratus
you have no idea what i was doing my guy
slim lintel
are you using a crystal jump with mult stage 1
cyan stratus
i don't even know
yeah if you think that taking the fire up to the 2 and crystal jumping is any faster you haven't played mult before
ok time to route i guess
tribal hamlet
i got a 2:50 by getting syringe energy drink on the way getting the turret on s1
slim lintel
well playing a sloppy ass mult I can beat my arti time easily lol
yeah be right over the crystal and use racecar mode
cyan stratus
nah really? not enough vertical height for that
tribal hamlet
wich one?
cyan stratus
nah dude there's no way you can make that
cyan stratus
are we talking about the same crystal
slim lintel
idk
time pausing stage1 at 1:05~ on mult and arti
using same path as arti mult just does stage 2 better
and this is with shitty mult play
cyan stratus
oh wow that's possible
i haven't done crystal jumps like, at all
so idk how to optimize them yet
slim lintel
welcome to the arti life
tribal hamlet
i almost got it
flint goblet
you guys are talking about getting 2:30 while Im just happy with my 5:30 lol
slim lintel
idk if we're even talking about the same crystal lol
the one like down low jumping up to the tele
cyan stratus
yeah dude how do you do that
slim lintel
next to the land bridge going up
cyan stratus
im at like 15 tries now lol
slim lintel
idk I guess I just have more experience using them for jumping
cyan stratus
where do you stand>
slim lintel
I've gotten it consistantly 4~ times in a row
tribal hamlet
i just got it twice
slim lintel
pretty much just past the middle, aim straight down. jump then shoot almost instantly, thats probably where you're messing up
have to jump and shoot as close as possible
guys a merc got 1:41 what fast boi
slim lintel
also dont racecar too early I just screwed one up doing that
cyan stratus
oh i racecar as soon as i shoot
slim lintel
got a 2:33 as mult
tribal hamlet
i keep just not getting enough vertical
slim lintel
idk may be a better line for mult but idk whats optimal for him, I'm sure I misused racecars and shizz
slim lintel
idk ur the mult pro :^)
cyan stratus
i mean if you got 2:33 then sub 1 is definitely possible
slim lintel
obvs
cyan stratus
do you go straight forward? or land on a part of the bridge
slim lintel
idk with the ocular HUD (which I wasnt even using right on arti) I feel like arti can kill titan a lot faster than mult
straight towards tele prettymuch
cyan stratus
aaaaaaa
slim lintel
theres like a little uh dipdown corner thingy
like slightly to the left
you gotta catch in that or you wont grip
cyan stratus
what time did you get pause?
slim lintel
I get pause on stage one around 1:03-1:07 depending on how much crap gets in the way
tribal hamlet
oh o love it when i get 2 crits but the second jst destroyed the jup crystel
slim lintel
I also get level 4 from by getting one of the pods during the fight
welcome to arti life
critting crystals when you really don't want to
tribal hamlet
can you show me whare to stand when shooting the crystal
slim lintel
I'll make a vid one sec
slim lintel
got a vid comin' up. Might look a bit crappy I used the wrong file format
cyan stratus
i know how to do it now
your explanation is probably one of the worst possible ways to explain it
you shoot well after you jump, not right after
cyan stratus
ok sloppy 2:24
slim lintel
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white frost
I subbed
cyan stratus
i mean now that you have joined the mult cult i might consider it
white frost
keyboard-moving characters look really weird
cyan stratus
dont tell me you use controller
white frost
I've admitted to it on multiple occasions I think
slim lintel
this boi is crazy
cyan stratus
oh no
white frost
it's either use a controller or clear a week in sick days to let my wrist recover
I could also not play videogames but I think we all know that's just unrealistic
your other MUL-T video is beatiful
drowsy jetty
thoughts on like a monthly trial or whatever that goes for a full loop?
cyan stratus
would be a pretty big rng grind if people got competitive
slim lintel
might be interesting, merc would probably rise up
white frost
with survivor specific boards sure
just two extra maps doesn't seem like it'd warrant a whole month
cyan stratus
i think arti can beat mult this trial pretty easilyt
white frost
but with 6 different survivors it's another story
slim lintel
what are you picking up? ocular and the feather?
cyan stratus
yeah