out of a horde of many on abyssal depths I got 4 ifrit distinctions from the bosses
#gd2-nullified
merry karma
Val do you have that Chad eating chips gif?
or anyone really, cause I can't download the one above
zinc kernel
You know I stay on the cams
full gale
out of a horde of many on abyssal depths I got 4 ifrit distinctions from the bosses
@merry karma
The blazing aspect right?
merry karma
I think so
full gale
Wow
merry karma
can some math genius like vulfoof calculate the probability?
full gale
Lemme quickly check my logs
mellow mango
did you have a clover?
merry karma
no
mellow mango
whoa
full gale
I found one irradiant pearl in about 100 hours of playtime
And then another one that I couldn't pick up because I was lacking a lunar item
Wait what?
Elite aspects don't show up in th log books??
fluid notch
They don't 😔
merry karma
full gale
Good thing I took a pic every time I found one
fluid notch
It'd be nice if getting one let you view elite models
full gale
Ok so I was making a list
But then I saw that it was too long
Yes it took me 17 minutes to look through my 231 screenshots/videos and list everything
Oh lucky me, it all fits in one screenshot
This occupies way less space
@merry karma uhhhhh so yeah
These are my luckiest moments
full gale
If we remove the ones where I had more than 2 clovers then uhhh we would have to remove only 3
The others are "legit"
topaz owl
Only 231 screenshots is a lot??
rancid remnant
huh. so. I have a couple mods that help but. I got like 15 aspects over the last week
my most aspects active at once was 4 - overloading, malachite, celestine and blazing
hexed socket
winged briar
hello gd2
full gale
Only 231 screenshots is a lot??
@topaz owl
On the switch they are
It takes way longer to look through them than on a phone
Wait this is gd2?
winged briar
yea
full gale
Bruh.
upper briar
chicken what are you doing up at this hour
upper briar
yes
bronze ice
Im new to the game guys! Any tips for a new player? (Also im loving this game having had this much fun in a game since the overwatch release)
delicate moat
silence imp overlord
i have some very good tips
stand still with the mushroom and thats it
you win
merry karma
frigid pike
@bronze ice check out wooly on youtube. Best risk of rain channel hands down
tepid wolf
Don't follow his opinions like a rule though since everyone has personal preferences or opinions
full gale
Yeah Woolie generally has great tips but when it comes to certain things (like his tier lists) you can relax a bit
Cuz those are more based on his opinion
But for stuff explaining how certain items work you're good to go with him
tepid wolf
Some ability opinions can also be taken with a grain of salt
polar anvil
i agree with val's opinion on woolie
tepid wolf
Mainly the items as stated though
full gale
Ye
pine iris
@bronze ice hey, another tip: no matter what the formerly glass-stacking individuals say, OSP isn't the greatest.
tepid wolf
Well OSP saves you pretty often on Mithrix
pine iris
mithrix is immune to osp in my experience
polar anvil
mithrix tposes on osp and it doesnt work
tired axle
well, it's only his primary attack that actually hits multiple times now
full gale
He's new to the game and y'all out here talking about OSP
polar anvil
oh sorry are we meant to be talking about stage 30 runs instead
tired axle
i think we should talk about eclipse 8 actually
full gale
Let's talk about MAAO
polar anvil
SAAO
merry karma
LMAAO
polar anvil
Rude
pine iris
SAAO with like every other artifact mod
full gale
Aren't those mods
full gale
No I mean SAAO and uhhh the other one.
fluid notch
Szyzgy is modded
And LMAAO?
Just lmao but in caps with an extra a
Unless it is something else
full gale
Yeah I wasn't sure
shut jewel
rancid remnant
It’s LemdogMAAO
pallid finch
Woolie gaming beard and hair is so hot
fluid notch
Ok
merry karma
can confirm
turbid tapir
Is that him
full gale
Lmao
worn lance
woolie is good
i disagree with him on some points tho but its mostly due to us playing different game modes
full gale
^
visual oar
Hes good entertainment but im not going to believe everything he says
full gale
He follows the "winner" mentality too much
Even before he started eclipse
Meaning that every run he does he tries to go for the most optimal build
He almost never comes up with a fun/memey build to try and beat the game with and with Artifact of Command he wouldn't know what else to go for if not the highest-damage possible
Other than he's a super cool content creator for ror2
worn lance
i dont watch him anymore and i think a lot of his advice is now irrelevant (mostly just due to changes in the game) but he provides a good framework for getting better
worn lance
yea hence, "a lot". i havent seen his newer content
full gale
Well I mean he already did all those
But you can't really disagree with "go fast, don't get hit, hit a lot"
worn lance
idk i kinda disagree with "go fast"
full gale
Real.
worn lance
if you're going mithrix time actually matters a lot less
worn lance
sure for god running you wanna stick to time but if you only have 1 loop to get a build together you can kinda disregard going 4 mins per level
full gale
So basically RNDThursday pace
worn lance
not sure what that is but i find that just chillin out and taking 5-6mins per stage allows for much more robust builds and healthier mithrix fights
full current
i find i die doing that 😦
full gale
Rnd is someone who notoriously gets to Mithrix aroind 50-60 minutes on stage 6
And sometimes succeeds
full gale
He's doing eclipse in character order
He got done with commando huntress and mul-t I think
He's now doing an engineer run with 2 of those lunar items that boost everyone's damage by 50% inside the radius
worn lance
rachis
full gale
Oh boy
visual oar
Oh boy here we go
worn lance
galations 4:16
rugged basin
I’d say maybe stationary engi is a good start for most people but if you want to have gameplay where you can do stuff moving turrets work better
sonic wren
Does anybody know what unlocks the survivor logs?
because i have played huntress twice and have it, and have played engi and commando a lot more than than that and dont have those
languid yarrow
Not all the logs got finished in 1.0 😔
But because you've unlocked and played the characters, you've technically got the logs, and when they get added in a future update, you'll be able to see them
rancid remnant
Hopoo should hire the loremasters from #theorycrafting to help write logs
I mean they won’t but it would be cool
sonic wren
ah
sonic wren
ror2 die to final boss%
shaped glass on mul-t is a good idea
on stage 1 lol
if i had not lost i would have done alright for the no artifact leaderboard
keen yacht
haughty torrent
Mithrix and brass contraptions can just boop you and you're just dead because one shot protection doesn't exist anymore with glass
fierce epoch
Honor + Glass + Blazing Solus Probes 
sonic wren
look
double rebar + shaped glass
ok
anyways hardlight afterburner on mul-t with 3 goat hoof and 1 energy drink on stage 2
sonic wren
I got 7 red whips and it crashed my pc
fluid notch
Damn
sonic wren
dull ingot
Too much fast
fluid notch
Such a sad story
mystic garden
fierce epoch
sonic wren
in the first image, its cus agis sucks
and in the second its because you have no proc based items
outer idol
no this is definitely a curse, this time i got killed because i got pushed and the alloy worship unit decided to do the aoe jump things and i couldnt escape
worn lance
It’s probably just cuz you get overconfident and make a mistake
tepid wolf
Also you could have jumped and used the utility to jump over the launch pads
Since they are just on the floor
jade helm
novel sorrel
You can deal 9 quintillion in one hit so a billion really isnt anythinf
novel sorrel
Tons of glass
The cap of damage you can deal in a single hit is (2^64)-1. if you have 64 glass you deal 2^64 times more damage
If you have 100 glass you’re billions of times over the cap of what you can actually deal
vital pine
I've died from too much glass
Not from being hit, but just from picking up too much with too little health
paper temple
dense sparrow
bootleg_gamediscussion1.jpeg
merry karma
nah, gd2 is on a whole another level
rancid remnant
gd2 is ascendant
sonic wren
mhm
merry karma
facts and logic
fluid notch
Indeed
lost vector
So what's the deal with not being able to look straight up or straight down? Why does a game that can, frequently I might add, have enemies that are positioned directly above or below the player not allow the player to aim straight up and down? That just makes no sense why this is the case.
summer terrace
facts
lost vector
I can't tell you how many times I've had an annoying wisp straight above me and I just. Can't. Frickin. Shoot it.
leaden light
Lol just walk until you get a good angle
lost vector
That's not the point. What is stopping me from just being able to point my gun straight up and shoot it without having to dance around like a moron to get at it.
rancid remnant
yeah i feel you there
supert frustrating especially with ion arti when practically everybody is below you
leaden light
Are we really gonna complain about not being able to fire 90° up or down
lost vector
By far the biggest reason to not have this is when you're playing Artificer because one of your strongest traits to rely on is floating high up in the air above the enemies, but there's this giant cone below you where you can't attack anything.
rancid remnant
kid, you know how long that can take? especially while floating?
rancid remnant
there exists a workaround, BUT the problem is still frustrating
leaden light
It's literally not a problem though
lost vector
So, just to put this in perspective. By your logic, we didn't need to invent the wheel because humans can carry their things around in their arms or on their back and can get from point A to point B by just walking.
leaden light
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone complain about this
fluid notch
It's a minor inconvenience
fluid notch
I've only noticed it using ion surge
lost vector
I exaggerated the circumstance to get the point across that it's an unnecessary inconvenience.
sonic wren
2 reds in a five second period on stage 3
full gale
I once got 2 reds in a row using Sacrifice from Lemurians on abyssal depths
plain plinth
I've also noticed it a lot, and not just using artificer. It happens a lot when using any build that gives flight or uses milky chrisalys. It is a legit complaint about an unnecessary camera constraint.
plain plinth
Probably MUL-T since 720 is a nice and fine number while others increse by strange amounts like 48 or 39 per level while mul t gets a simple 60 per level.
but doesn't seem quite right...You got an infusion? or is my math wrong?
fluid notch
Infusion makes health red
plain plinth
Or Knurl I guess
sonic wren
plain plinth
oh, yea. MUL-T + Knurl should give 720 max health.
plain plinth
yay! I guessed it! 
sonic wren
also 12 topaz brooch isnt viable in the slighest but is still fun as hell
plain plinth
I'm sure it's viable with forgive me please. Just find one of those and get some gasoline.
full gale
Lmao
viral hare
So I just got all the way to the end of a run I was hoping to earn one of the challenge skins with, only to realize right after I killed Mithrix that I'd been playing on Rainstorm the whole time. I wish the game saved your difficulty between runs.
dull ingot
picking up brilliant behemoths until I don't feel so brilliant anymore
pearl hedge
but they stack poorly
full gale
Haha explosion go BRRRERRER
dull ingot
but they stack poorly
I just blew up the Newt Store and you dare say that?
worldly birch
You can never miss if the explosion is big enough
merry karma
heyyy gd2
pine iris
#gd1-nullified don't mind me hopping into one of the channels I can't see
full gale
Kk
worn lance
gd2 is where the real cultured discussion happens
mellow mango
buff rising thunder
fluid notch
Buff brass contraptions
wind dew
Brass contraptions now ignore OSP
tired axle
so basically mithrix
summer terrace
rising thunder is fine
tired axle
rising thunder is the best m2 in the game
wind dew
You know you are right
tired axle
actually, cap m2 is
fluid notch
Best m2 ia phase round
wind dew
I remember when I had a god run going on... I think commando? And then I got hit once by an overloading brass contraption and died
You are sick
tired axle
phase round is godlike and you can't deny it
pearl hedge
no
rancid remnant
Vanilla phase round: 
Mod rebalanced phase round: 
summer terrace
moffeins mod makes phase round pure sex
wind dew
Imagine only being able to proc bands with the worst r in the game 
tired axle
grenades are fine tho
rancid remnant
HonpoRebalance make -default- commando real tasty
summer terrace
you mean OP
rancid remnant
youre thinking of mul-t bud
rancid remnant
you sure? power saw has a faster basse fire rate and proc of 1 i thought
tired axle
Here's the full list also considering cancels:
double rebar is 1200% dps with 2 procs per second
double nailgun is 1820% dps with 15.6 procs per second
nailgun/rebar is 1510% dps with 8.8 procs per second
double scrap is 1028% dps with 2.85 procs per second
cap m1 without cancel is 960% dps with 6 procs per second
cap m1 with cancel is 14400% dps with 90 procs per second
commando m1 is 450% dps with 5 procs per second
actually, saw and single nailgun aren't even on there
should fix that
rancid remnant
ok cancels are gross lets tak pure stats
summer terrace
14,400 with 90 procs jesus h christ
tired axle
nailgun is 840% dps with 7.2 procs per second
saw is 1000% dps with 10 procs per second
yeah, cap cancel is pretty insane
but it also takes 1 input per frame, which is probably humanly impossible
worn lance
haha guys captain isnt op he doesnt have mobility!!!
rancid remnant
if yer gonna go that far for captain power you might as well just do the infinite items captain trick
tired axle
there is an infinite items trick?
rancid remnant
1 mod: InfiniteChance (no cap on chance shrine uses)
- hacking beacon
worn lance
infinite items mod
rancid remnant
add defiant gouge and it gets really fun
tired axle
but i can't cheat myself into the prismatic trials top 10 with that
abstract abyss
No cooldowns Loader
summer terrace
downloading a mod isn't a trick lol
untold yarrow
the whole point of prismatic trials is to NOT cheat in them
abstract abyss
That could work.
untold yarrow
thats why mods disable prismatic trials
abstract abyss
Time to become a cheater
tired axle
just do next_stage smh my head
tired axle
already tried playing as mithrix using cheat engine, didn't save my score
abstract abyss
Oof
tired axle
i also beat monsoon with missile drone and didn't even get a skin for it
abstract abyss
How tf
tired axle
drones are surprisingly tanky
tired axle
yes
abstract abyss
Oh that’s why
tired axle
purity is especially good because the primary cd is 2 seconds
abstract abyss
Endless missile sounds
rancid remnant
WO
tired axle
actually i might have just been that tanky because i took a lot of transcendence
also did it without command btw
tired axle
command
tired axle
i just used cheat engine
abstract abyss
Wuzzat
untold yarrow
a program that edits game processes while its running
abstract abyss
I c
untold yarrow
a cheating program
tired axle
so you can change your character into anything else
untold yarrow
hence the name "Cheat Engine"
abstract abyss
Sounds like fun
tired axle
you can also use mods tho
untold yarrow
cheat engine can get you banned from some games. not ror2 but yeah
tired axle
debugtoolkit works pretty well
abstract abyss
Debugtoolkit doesn’t even work for me lol
tired axle
yeah, please don't use it in a competitive game
untold yarrow
wym doesn't work
untold yarrow
custom keybinds?
tired axle
you mean the one that's supposed to open the console?
untold yarrow
ctrl + alt + ` brings up the console
abstract abyss
Oh that’s why. I just pressed the third key
tired axle
that explains it
untold yarrow
lmAOOOO
abstract abyss
Rofl
merry karma
why don't they use ` though
abstract abyss
Idk
summer terrace
if you do the ctrl alt thing once you can just use ` until you restart the game
tawny plaza
how so
tired axle
it's more difficult to control
tawny plaza
Oh you cant
tawny plaza
he just zooms in a straight line with no control
young orbit
😭 finally someone understands me
its way more difficult to hit someone like this and i was able to easily hit flying enemies far up in the sky
tawny plaza
Are you running acid puddle or the other one
young orbit
puddle
tawny plaza
Because im not sure if the other is just as broken
young orbit
pretty sure
tawny plaza
damn
young orbit
they dont have any difference except the effects of course
young orbit
you are a good man/woman captain chara
tawny plaza
Lookin out for my fellow console players
plus withor seems to know alot and I can test it
young orbit
tired axle
also cap is broken i've heard
tawny plaza
I forgot how tbh
young orbit
he sure is but my biggest problem is that acrid bug
tawny plaza
I hward it too
tired axle
mainly the spread on his primary and something about his secondary
tawny plaza
Well his m2 is mostly useless anyway even to you pc folk
but I guess I could see the m1 spread being much larger than it should even at full
tired axle
his m2 is kinda good if you just don't want to deal with a certain enemy for a couple seconds, like an elder lemurian
so you can kill everything else
young orbit
got a question
where can i adress bugs
tired axle
young orbit
thanks
young orbit
its not a bug
its intended to be like this😩
welp i posted it at #ror2-feedback-and-ideas vote 👍 if you want to #makeacridgreatagain
abstract abyss
rancid remnant
and the sky will turn red
brave relic
demolition expert
abstract abyss
Engineers HATE him!!
fluid notch
Demomando
fluid notch
I've only beaten the game three times, two of the times with command
sonic wren
also mul-t op
fluid notch
On rainstorm
fierce epoch
"Moon Worshipper" ah yes, time to use the best item in public games
fluid notch
Yes
sonic wren
YES
fluid notch
dull ingot
sonic wren
i only used 2 dios
fluid notch
Pk
stark shore
Small brain: Using command artifact
Big brain: Making a fresh profile and only unlocking good items so every run is like a command run
velvet linden
I just wanna play this game man. Does anybody have solutions for the game randomly crashing?
Verified file integrity and drivers already
I will literally kiss anyone who can help me
a nice wet kiss on the lips
primal juniper
just wondering where to find cleansing pools
fluid notch
Aspect, acres, call
swift badge
Y'all ever just get Stage 1 Void Reavers on Dissonance?
because that happened to me earlier
stark shore
I'm bored and on the can, so here's my item tier list (minus legendaries and boss items) specifically for loader in eclipse 5 no-loop Mithrix kill runs with infinite lunar coins. If it's not in the list, it is too unimpactful to mention, but not bad enough to scrap.
S: Purity, runald's band, kjaro's band, 10 crit glasses (or 9 and the other two crit items)
A: Focus crystal, Soldier syringe, hellfire tincture, repulsion armor plating, transcendence, armor piercing rounds, backup magazine, tougher times, Hopoo feather, wax quail, goat hoof, that equipment that cleanses debuffs
B: Medkit (if no transcendence), buckler, energy drink, defiant gouge, will o wisp, crowbar, berserker pauldrons
C: War banner, leeching seed, infusion, preon, royal capacitor, fuel cell, corpsebloom, visions of heresy
D: Basically everything with a proc chance (including crit glasses if you have fewer than 9/10). Scrap everything in this tier honestly. They're either useless or buff Mithrix too much.
E: (Don't touch these ever) Spinel tonic and the rest of the lunar items.
This is probably very incomplete but I just felt like sharing to see if any other loader players wanted to agree or send me hate mail or something.
topaz owl
Can you put it in a picture
warm coyote
not putting corpsebloom in A tier, thats how you know the tier list is bad
sonic wren
Shaped glass in e on loader wtf
radiant flare
warm coyote
loader mains 🙄
leaden light
S tier purity, actually trolling
upper briar
my man placing every proc item in d tier because it buffs mithrix
tepid wolf
I presume it's not that hard with loader (basically the best eclipse character) + cheated in lunars
stark shore
I forgot about shaped glass, that should be in s tier, my bad. And proc items are bad because with 3 purities they never activate anyway
And since Purity >> every other item, losing procs is a small price to pay to be spider girl
merry karma
my man placing every proc item in d tier because it buffs mithrix
@upper briardefinitely not me
leaden light
Items proc only if you are hit lol
visual hedge
crowbars lower than crit glasses?
honestly a lot of the time as loader i'll actually value crowbars more than crit glasses, at least until I can get 2-3 crowbars
warm coyote
the guy specifically said 10 crit glasses though
like hmm last i checked Eclipse 5 didnt have fucking Command
novel sorrel
Printers
merry karma
Printers
fluid notch
Printers
tired axle
Printers
pearl hedge
Color printers
full gale
Y'all ever just get Stage 1 Void Reavers on Dissonance?
@swift badge
That sounds dope
tired axle
what about a stage 1 scav tho?
summer terrace
it's okay you got polyp
full gale
@tired axle THAT'S POSSIBLE??
tired axle
apperently
tired axle
didn't get it myself, but the person that took the screenshot said they used 2 (or maybe 3) mountain shrines
worldly birch
What does dissonance do
tired axle
it allows nearly all monsters to spawn on any stage
so you can get vultures on distant roost, as an example
full gale
You can get magma worms as the tp boss on that one stage 2 with water in it
It's a really cool artifact
worldly birch
Damn
full gale
Bisons +imps stage 1
tired axle
doesn't actually work
worldly birch
Awe
tired axle
i don't know why tho
worldly birch
Dissonance and kin?
tired axle
that works, but you can get hermit crabs
full gale
You can't?
worldly birch
Awe
tired axle
not stage 1 at least
i really don't know why that's the case, but i did a lot of test runs
worldly birch
Stage 2 hermit crabs only with artifact of swarms and honor
full gale
How come you can get Parents, Imps and Bisons stage 1
tired axle
i still don't really know how dissonance picks what monsters to spawn honestly
summer terrace
we should have a smallhorn bison and a hugehorn bison so we can have a family event for them
fierce epoch
With weight
full gale
Monsoon Dissonance here I come
tired axle
but even with the reduced weight for hermit crabs, it should still show up, right?
the weight just means that it will show up less
forget it, apperently this is a thing
full gale
Breaking news: bisons are tankier than golems
full gale
My guy I am literally playing monsoon dissonance right now and bison took way longer to kill
Armor?
tired axle
they don't have armor
perhaps because bisons have a smaller hitbox?
makes you miss more i guess
full gale
Using huntress
tired axle
huh, weird
full gale
Crit printer stage 1 with sacrifice 
tired axle
ohh, that's pretty nice
full gale
No mountain shrines tho
Only a combat one
AND ONLY 2 DRONES
fluid notch
Drones
tired axle
drones
full gale
Only thing I got were void reavers on stage 6
full gale
VOID REAVERS STAGE 1 TP BOSS NO MOUNTAIN SHRINE
merry karma
bleak egret
why doesn't this server have a squid poglyp emote
bleak egret
thats not pog enough
tired axle
fair enough
raven lichen
Pog squid turrets
river crown
Wait. For how long has the janitor bot been in the character selection background?
Han-D I think
zinc kernel
awhile
dull ingot
why doesn't this server have a squid poglyp emote
because this server isn't a cringy shithole
mellow mango
🤔
dull ingot
#ror2-memes is a different server, so it doesn't count
mellow mango
I mean
Thats a little aggressive though, isnt it?
summer terrace
poglyp is good
merry karma
no
upper briar
man
merry karma
Man
outer swallow
men
dull ingot
no
fluid notch
Mun
river crown
What is a man
merry karma
omg
novel vine
What is the current consensus on artificer's high hit damage and low availability of Total Hit Damage % multiplier items? i.e. bleed on arti seems very underwhelming, as do most other base damage effects due to the low hit rate on anything apart from flamethrower. Just wondering how others feel about her playstyle. I've been trying to get her through monsoon however none of my runs have been successful, unlike other characters where they glide through even though I've only played the character once or twice (acrid/captain).
mellow mango
are you using surge or flamethrower?
I would recommend ion surge if you are having issues with consistency
primal juniper
I use Surge as well can confirm.
novel vine
😆 I mean, thanks for inquiring but i'm not looking for advice to fix my run, I want to know how others feel about artificer.
mellow mango
uh, total damage good bleed bad
novel vine
Was just setting the stage for the question I pose.
primal juniper
Arti is my favourite in the game but slightly difficult to itemize.
novel vine
That's eversince the moved away from total damage and moved everything to base damage, right?
primal juniper
Arti requires a lot on cooldown reduction, which very few common items have.
leaden light
Tbh yea I find myself looking for movement and procs while playing her
Might as well play commando
She at least makes good use of bands?
primal juniper
Every hero benefits from bands
leaden light
Not like those are guaranteed to drop anyway and can get outscaled quickly
novel vine
I'm just asking because I'm thinking about trying to rework either some of her machanics, or the way she interacts with items, (or even creating new item pools for her/high hit damage, high cooldown characters). I'm just wondering if my judgement of her abilities was shared or if I was just not playing her "correctly"
primal juniper
I think right now she has a lot of innate damage but less to no mobility with surge. One thing that comes to mind is soldier syringe doesn’t affect primary fire. So that might be a welcome upgrade.
novel vine
Doesn't attack speed scale the rate of cooldown on the m1?
leaden light
Atk speed does affect her M2 though
novel vine
Hmm, but it does for captain though, doesn't it
leaden light
Kinda neat if you have mags
novel vine
Yeah, but that "scaling m2" would really be a very lategame thing right.
Does anyone have mechanical suggestions they think would be balanced, and able to improve artificers scaling and item viability?
@warm coyote
warm coyote
😳👉👈
summer terrace
the solution for attack speed is to make flamethrower scale with attack speed and have an m1 that recharges all at once like scrap launcher
warm coyote
1 sec
primal juniper
Yeah that’s pretty spot on, the only play style that’s worked for me with artificer is an evasive one. Build mobility stay the fk away and rain down hell.
summer terrace
both of which artificer extended does
warm coyote
first of all
low availability of Total Hit Damage %
totally false, the majority of proc items are actually based on total damage, bleed is one of the only few exceptions
warm coyote
arti is undeniably one of the weaker characters and i think thats mostly due to the game balance not really supporting her
summer terrace
it just also happens to be one of the strongest right now
optimal arti play involves floating 100 feet in the air and spamming abilities
woohoo
warm coyote
apart from dumb stuff like refusing to make flamethrower scale with aspd on the basis of "not homogenizing skills" but doing it on commando anyways when Suppressive Fire never actually needed it
leaden light
I perform pretty well just nuking things with flamethrower and freeze lol
summer terrace
chad
warm coyote
the current state of the game absolutely favors characters that have fewer cooldown-locked abilities, more mobility, and/or more healing
primal juniper
I feel like late game all abilities aren’t equal. Secondary is just way better than primary at that point. It’s not a balanced play style.
warm coyote
artificer only works for the first 5 stages, but thats all hopoo balances for
summer terrace
not everything needs to balanced for all stages of the game
merry karma
hey chad
summer terrace
who me
warm coyote
its less than 1k now
merry karma
gesture
warm coyote
feel like its gonna happen this weekend
summer terrace
oh yeah I mean 700
warm coyote
anyways artificer gets totally shafted in lategame since her bonus damage stops mattering with enemies melting very quickly regardless (and ignite doesnt scale) and she still critically lacks mobility even with movement items
ror2 offers no valuable forms of long term defense in vanilla and this is very evident as artificer
novel vine
So, the main base damage sources I see are gasoline, wisp, bleed, ceremonial dagger. If base damage is not the issue, but attackspeed certainly is, then what else can be done to alleviate some of her issues without entirely reworking her skillset like "artificer extended" has done?
warm coyote
also slower, heavy hitting characters still suffer in healing compared to faster characters
novel vine
Hm, so in your opinion its mostly a defencive problem / lack of utility?
merry karma
saturate+ kinda hurts my eyes ngl
warm coyote
also a great lack of common CDR
novel vine
Hmm, healing for high hit might be something i can tackle fairly easily
novel vine
Hmm?
warm coyote
Hits that deal more than 400% damage also make you Regenerative for 0.3 seconds (+ 0.3 seconds per stack), restoring 20% of your maximum health per second. Recharges every 5 seconds.
green item, band type
merry karma
shameless 😎
warm coyote
keep in mind im being quite conservative with the healing since, well, i blanket nerfed healing in this mod
merry karma
no way you're conservative duck?
novel vine
Ohh, you have already released some "fixes" for artificer / game balance yourself?
novel vine
Oh, so you did.
warm coyote
that, wow, includes defense and CDR, and reduces healing and mobility
novel vine
So most of what you have done is to go the route of tackling the disparity in skill design then? These new skills you added focus on faster attack speeds and lower damage or something?
Sorry i've not been able to read over it all just yet
warm coyote
its all good
some of the skills help arti fit in more with the vanilla balance, but id generally say im not a fan of alt skills being the solution to a character's flaws
novel vine
^
warm coyote
i made AE before i even started considering a game rebalance mod, but most of what i did with her skills were trying to (for the most part) keep her in line with her own balance, but allowing more flexibility
novel vine
Well, this is why i want to change the mechanics of the underlying OnHit calculations
I was even thinking about referencing hit damage in bleed to help aleviate some issues, but I have a feeling this would screw with balance greatly for many other characters too
warm coyote
so arti does have a cooldown-unlocked primary, and a primary that gains all charges at once, and she does have buffs to flamethrower that make it scale with aspd
but by no means does this mod alone automatically fix her place in the state of balance, only greatly improves it
novel vine
mhm, sure.
mellow mango
bleed is the only drawback to slow hitting characters
bands are the upside
warm coyote
novel vine
Well, its not the only drawback.
warm coyote
bleed and onhit heals are the drawbacks
mellow mango
yeah onhit heals, stun, brittle crown
novel vine
I mean, show me one white item thats scales arti's total hit damage
warm coyote
among other things, like proc consistency, and crit benefits
mellow mango
but bleed is the main one
novel vine
Right, crit scales to 100%, sticky scales to 180%.
Crowbars are situationally capped by 90% enemy health
mellow mango
oh, you like arti?
name every white item that increases her damage
paddy I dont see the point you are trying to make here
novel vine
I don't know, i really feel somehow that gasoline and bleed should maybe scale from total damage rather than base. But I guess this seems like it is just me that appears to think so.
rancid remnant
it would make sense for that... though i think the variety is fine as is
warm coyote
i think its better to have items which are good for certain types of characters and worse for others
the issue is the bias
mellow mango
the way I see it you have to have something to punish low procs per sec
and bleed accomplishes that
novel vine
Sure, but, shouldn't stuff like wisps, gasoline, bleed be more fitting to high damage, low hitcount archetypes?
warm coyote
not bleed
novel vine
Ya know.. hit em once where it hurts and then watch as they are finished off by your DoTs
mellow mango
not bleed
warm coyote
onkill effects are a different story entirely, dont even get me started
novel vine
While it might not be needed to oneshot, having them DoT until death seems like a fitting complement to a low hitcount archetype
warm coyote
they should certainly be punchy and impactful, but not "autowin the game at later stages" impactful, and that is regardless of the kind of attack that triggers it
novel vine
Yes, perhaps.
mellow mango
I mean wisp and gasoline are basically the same on low procs per sec and high procs per sec right now anyway
warm coyote
yeah
novel vine
Well, this is true earlygame since both of those are OnKill
however latergame it feels as though you cannot even trigger them due to lack of low HP enemies to kill
warm coyote
i find the opposite is true
novel vine
Really?
mellow mango
however latergame it feels as though you cannot even trigger them due to lack of low HP enemies to kill
what
warm coyote
damage scaling is so off the walls in lategame that onkills are more or less guaranteed to chain themselves
tired axle
also max level
warm coyote
whether through direct damage or the procs they create
novel vine
Hmmm, I'm really not sure what to make of the issue.
mellow mango
I dont think it is an issue tbh
novel vine
I guess I'll continue to play her some more and see
warm coyote
total damage procs, which there are a lot of for the record, dominate the player damage space, and that does a great job of equalizing the balance between characters for the most part, but there are still many MANY effects that disproportionately favor fast hitters
crit synergies are all on a per-hit basis, onhit healing (which is the dominant form of healing for almost everyone) as well
shattering justice offers additional damage for faster hitting characters; its admittedly not impossible to use on arti, but consider loader for example
not that loader needs it either though LOL
bands are the most powerful procs in the game but yet theyre hard locked on a 10 second cooldown (unless you use/abuse blast shower) and have a fairly small area of effect
theyre almost always overkill even when you only have 1 of each
crowbars are in the favor of heavy hitters as well, but that is until damaging items start nicking everything out of the threshold, at which point its just useless for everyone
im willing to accept bleed as the thing fast hitters have and slow hitters dont, since its thematically very cool and also slow hitters have bands, but the bias in the loot pool is very obvious
summer terrace
what if stacking crowbar hyperbolically reduced the threshold down to like 70% 😳
in terms of white items heavy hitters get fucked
except loader bc crowbar and crystal
but crit and bleed being the 2 best whites is wack
warm coyote
yeah
mellow mango
I think if slow hitters had an alternate way to heal besides crit/scythe/leech, it would be pretty evened out
mellow mango
no not a knockoff healing band duck thats boring
summer terrace
no it's cool
tired axle
just copying another item and making it healing isn't really creative tho
i don't like recycling ideas
mellow mango
would a healing band like heal you based off the damage of the hit that triggered it or smth?
but yeah, what Withor said
warm coyote
it could scale duration by how much the hit exceeded the minimum threshold
like if the hit was 1200%, duration would be 3x longer
fierce epoch
What would be the heal value though
mellow mango
so it would heal like corpsebloom?
idk, it just sounds kinda boring to me
warm coyote
Regenerative
tired axle
i really think there is a better solution
fierce epoch
If it's flat imma riot
mellow mango
oh yeah regenerative
I see what you mean
tired axle
i don't know
warm coyote
CrocoRegen
mellow mango
what better solution?
no idea
but I am sure it exists
fierce epoch
Flat = 3 hp/s , % = 2%/s
mellow mango
I mean I dont think so
warm coyote
very very potent
fierce epoch
20%/s
mellow mango
and Regenerative is 20%/s
it is 10% per sec
tired axle
it's 10% per second
warm coyote
wiki lies to me
tired axle
it doesn't?
warm coyote
no its 10% per 0.5s
mellow mango
actually is there a correction for that on the wiki anywhere?
warm coyote
what
mellow mango
but it is really 10% per sec for 0.5 seconds
warm coyote
what the fuck hopoo
tired axle
it is
warm coyote
yes, i got that from the wiki
mellow mango
yeah we should really fix that
tired axle
i honestly thought someone changed that already
mellow mango
I think bigbillk was maybe gonna do it but they have been kinda absent for a bit
warm coyote
are you guys actually serious, like confirmed true?
mellow mango
@tired axle I would fix it but I think the correction would actually have to be in the hover over tooltip, and I have no idea how to change that
warm coyote
or you could just fix the heal amount LOL
mellow mango
what?
tired axle
you mean fix it ingame?
mellow mango
yes
now leave
tired axle
and your soul
i'd rather worry about selling your soul
that's kinda a big deal
you should rather sell it to me
i'll give you a car
a pretty cheap one, but it's still a car
fluid notch
Cars
fluid notch
Potcar thing
mellow mango
<@&559786374228738069>
fierce epoch
Imagine spamming unfunny gifs
mellow mango
imagine
mellow mango
yes duck please share your insightful view on ror2 balance
leaden light
Get procs or die
fluid notch
Birds
warm coyote
i was gonna say something but forgot
oh well
how is the mod going duck
i just uploaded a new version with a few cool fixes
mellow mango
is your fancy balance mod available yet?
warm coyote
i was thinking it might be ok for barrier to be given in %s since i have dynamic decay
mostly because i want utility belt to feel more useful
its not released yet, no, but im getting pretty close to it
im just gonna release it without item models, icons, or display rules
merry karma
but, like, icons make an item feel like a finished item and it's easier to differentiate them
summer terrace
just release the balance changes and items separately 
mellow mango
icon
summer terrace
duck has the best mod icons
merry karma
do i regret sorting by new mods?
fluid notch
No
warm coyote
i removed almost all numbers from the changelog in the readme, this means ill never have to edit the readme when i change stuff 😏
fuck icon too small
merry karma
waifu2x
warm coyote
JPEG
fluid notch
jpeg
merry karma
jpeg
merry karma
firrrst download
"This means gameplay is generally more fair, but unforgiving - as the game should be, in my humble and clearly very unbiased opinion, as it is far more fun this way."
warm coyote
oh god i fucked up the readme
merry karma
also it's kinda hard to read the pink text
warm coyote
thats what i fucked up
merry karma
like it doesn't have enough punctuation
warm coyote
thats what i fucked up
teal drum
What
merry karma
horse
teal drum
Juán
warm coyote
try reading it again
teal drum
Oh the ps4 community with 3k members dissapeard idk what happend
I don't got mods on ps4
Idk if it's possible
warm coyote
its not
merry karma
i can see your code 😳
warm coyote
wait wha
merry karma
merry karma
how do you separate these btw? is it one big file or?
warm coyote
wdym
merry karma
classes/methods/fields
tired axle
i'll edit for you if you sell me your soul
sonic wren
why is mul-ts alt skin black on the menu and blue in game
sonic wren
mellow mango
all the skins are affected the same
just most are a bit brighter, like white, so it is less noticeable
sonic wren
but those are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COLORS
mellow mango
the more important question is why are you on drizzle/command/sacrifice using double rebar?
tired axle
yeah, at least use double nail like a real man
sonic wren
because i need gotcha achevement
mellow mango
well maybe rebar-saw
but I would assume double rebar
sonic wren
i need to unlock the damned saw
mellow mango
saw good
mellow mango
but double rebar has more
sonic wren
yes
tired axle
silence groove
mellow mango
and cap m1 has 14000000% dps with 99999 procs per second
tired axle
double scrap has more procs which obvioulsy makes it better
tired axle
yes
sonic wren
oh ok i just got to sand level and its green again wtf
tired axle
the lighting is different on each stage which affects things like colors
tired axle
it's how light works
sonic wren
ok but i have 4 fuel cells and a preon because command is balanced
tired axle
it's not supposed to be balanced
tired axle
you always use your equip with saw
would still recommend using nailgun or rebar as your secondary tho
sonic wren
REBAR
REBAR
sonic wren
than what
tired axle
here:
double rebar is 1200% dps with 2 procs per second
double nailgun is 1820% dps with 15.6 procs per second
nailgun/rebar is 1510% dps with 8.8 procs per second
double scrap is 1028% dps with 2.85 procs per second
saw is 1000% with 10 pps
sonic wren
how the hell are you running 2 nailgun
tired axle
you can retool after the nailburst
sonic wren
alright but rebar has peircing
tired axle
but nailgun has procs
also, that's the reason why i normally use rebar/nailgun
it's the most consistent imo
has long range, can proc bands and still has pretty good dps and procs
sonic wren
that is why i like it
tired axle
on the other hand i use a macro so that i don't have to do the cancel everytime
so normally double rebar is probably better
sonic wren
mul-t good
tired axle
indeed
sonic wren
definitely my favorite character
tired axle
mult just has so good primaries
sonic wren
and
tired axle
ignoring cap that is
sonic wren
2 e q u i p s l o t s
tired axle
yeah, the 2 equips actually come in handy a lot
stone needle
Opinions on brass contraptions?
brave relic
die
tired axle
remove them
stone needle
when I first begun playing I used to think that the bell was an eye and that the balls explode
rain vine
tired axle
it's already really strong on mult
and even worse on cap because 90 procs a second and stuff
merry karma
warm coyote
nerf harvesters scythe to 4+2 per stack
full gale
Why???
tired axle
buff harvester's to 40 (+10)
brave relic
buff havester's to instantly heal you when you health is low
tired axle
ah yes, 90 procs per second
tired axle
this joke is getting old
outer swallow
If you have enough topaz brooches late game you achieve a similar effect since you kill so many enemies
tired axle
but you can't really get as much hp with that
full gale
I experienced that effect with 4 brooches with dissonance swarms sacrifice
I pretty much had permanent double health
outer swallow
10 topaz brooches is 150 heals, if you kill 10 enemies with that youve just added 1500hp to your character
tired axle
ok, i might have underestimated brooch
outer swallow
And there are way more than 10 enemies to take out
tired axle
yes
full gale
😯
foggy pilot
3 Brooch+Barbed Wire+
+
+ 
+void= easy god run
full gale
Or artifact realm
foggy pilot
Void is better due to the map and the constant procing of barbed wire
full gale
Ah right
foggy pilot
void farming is basically just letting the barbed wire do its thing and afking
merry karma
do you mean barbed wire or razorwire?
foggy pilot
razorwire
stark shore
I once had a void with only melee enemies and I had razor wire + bustling fungus. I let my game run overnight.
The next day I had 2 fps and I gained about 15 levels
full gale
Lmao
stark shore
And then I lost that eclipse run
sonic wren
wow i wonder why
foggy pilot
i wonder why
stark shore
I actually managed to leave the void, I got dunked on by the big Rix
foggy pilot
merc and arti are going to be a pain in the ass to get mastery for
warm coyote
Why???
cause i think its totally unjustified for scythes to outclass seeds with 1 set of crit glasses and no other crit items
but having 2 similar items, with 1 being better later and worse earlier, is still an interesting design phenomenon
the other option is to buff seeds, but do we really need more healing in ror2?
at that point youre only buffing seeds "just because"
and also dont even get me started on % healing; fuck. that.
vague lintel
10 whites and 1 green outshadows one green, who would have guessed
warm coyote
no, 1 white and x greens is enough to permanently overshadow x of another green
with 1 of the crit glasses, harvester scythes are always better than leeching seeds
that is not ok!
brisk willow
Alright, put Acrid
I’m gonna go ahead and play a round, anyone want to join, heads up, I’m not very good
RoR2 is cross-platform right?
Okay, so now the RoR2 server is like the Disgaea server
As in I say something, no one responds, and I feel stupid
That’s what I am surmising is happening
mellow mango
ror2 is not cross platform
sonic wren
Actually don’t know if I’m good or not, is 13 stages good?
@brisk willow depends on what difficulty
rancid remnant
13 on rainstorm is great. 20 is exceptional
you are officially good
mellow mango
worn lance
just put gawr gura's fly me to the moon cover on repeat locked in rex into eclipse 1 and beat it in 1 go
trying to minimize how much i need to play rex and eclipse
yes yes i know eclipse 1 isnt an achievement but honestly me getting myself to play it is
mellow mango
this is relatable
worn lance
it just feels like such a chore