this is a beautiful mistake
#gd2-nullified
merry karma
yes
sharp radish
Glacial overloading blazing malachite squibbos
mellow mango
it do be like that sometime
fluid notch
mellow mango
visual oar
ok bye
stuck canopy
robust tangle
nice
rancid remnant
with this bread, we now can begin our conquest of the realms!
zinc kernel
still waiting for random stage artifact
mossy garden
today's used to be gamebreaking but was patched and people keep reporting it as bugged
Soulbound catalyst and forgive me please
fast oracle
Yer killin me
quartz trail
You're killin' me!
tawny plaza
Your really killing me
dull ingot
@supple pumice
dull ingot
@gray ore
supple pumice
@nimble tree
languid yarrow
Don't do that, please.
upper briar
good evening gd2
gray ore
no
supple pumice
jude stop @ing people
gray ore
ok
nimble tree
supple pumice
what ars you takoinf abour
winged briar
good afternoon gd2 how we doin
ruby wren
Can I just say to the devs that this game is absolutely amazing. Not that the 1.0 update is on the switch, it feels so much more like a game. There's SO much to explore and learn. Although no devs may see this, I just needed to say something. You guys/gals have struck gold with this game. GREAT job.
I'm looking forward to content to come for sure
warm coyote
for the record im almost certain all the (main) devs are dudes with he/him pronouns
but yes. i agree. good game
ruby wren
aight good to know. Just wanted to cover all the bases 😄
dull ingot
Question was aegis nerfed with with bungus
mossy garden
a hotfix will probably come together with the Sundered Grove patch
dull ingot
When is that gonna happen
mossy garden
i have no idea
rancid remnant
Likely: tuesday
dull ingot
ok so
devs said 30 days for stadia sundered grove exclusivity
Ok its been 30 fucking days where is it
languid yarrow
that's not exact at all
vague lintel
It’s 31 days 
winged briar
how's gd2 since general is on some fuck shit rn
fluid notch
Gd2 is better than gd1, as usual
winged briar
well, yeah
i haven't even bothered to look in gd1
oh, i already see gesture talk as soon as i click on the channel
i'm out of there lmao
blazing sky
lmao just came from gd1 cause it died.
we were talking about the worst possible gesture equips
pine iris
devs said 30 days for stadia sundered grove exclusivity
@dull ingot he said to not quote him on that which means it might not be true he said that it might not be true so please go back to your .io den
hexed socket
nice
brisk gale
wait that can happen??
plain viper
9fps
Rip
devout gulch
yes code
upper briar
🍵
inland kraken
sssssssip
upper briar
ah, its so nice and quiet here
no difficulty/new player bullying, no arguments, just gd2
brisk gale
superior??
wha
so somehow i cant chat on #gd1-nullified
but can chat everywhere on this server
vague lintel
This chat is better
dull ingot
yep
vague lintel
How is everyone’s day so far
dull ingot
good
vague lintel
Nice
polar anvil
considering that right now
probably normal
vague lintel
Good
dull warren
sd
winged briar
how’s gd2 doing on this fine afternoon
fluid notch
Not too bad
vague lintel
alright i win
devout gulch
but do i respect the win?
vague lintel
perhaps
devout gulch
maybe
upper briar
ramen always asks how is gd2 but we never ask "how is ramen"
devout gulch
depends on your actions
fluid notch
😔
upper briar
@winged briar how are ya
winged briar
p good
upper briar
pog
winged briar
how bout u
upper briar
im vibin, tiny bit worried about andro, havent seen them in a bit
vague lintel
First try lmaoooooooo
umbral glen
Imagine using gd 2 😎
fluid notch
Damn
robust gyro
Is there still obliterating ?
tired axle
yes
tired axle
yeah, obliterating is a lot easier
summer terrace
meh t2 elites and void reavers can fuck u up
depends how fast you get to mith, sometimes can be easier than surviving until 8
polar anvil
T2 appear only after second loop tho right?
summer terrace
they start stage 6 I think
tired axle
yeah, they start appearing on stage 6
polar anvil
Huh
dull ingot
does pyre have a discord server?
summer terrace
oh yeah I can't post links
dull ingot
dm me it
summer terrace
cheers
winged briar
bro it's been so long since i've played ror2 multiplayer i forgot pyre existed
they have proven that ror2 was not meant for high player limits
the server screams in pain every time
fluid notch
I've only done multiplayer with friends
summer terrace
1 or 2
edgy basalt
I’ve modded it so much it’s basically 2d ror2 now
summer terrace
using rts?
edgy basalt
that shit keeps breaking my game
Ye, crashes happen a lot
summer terrace
that and it breaks the logbook
chilly meteor
So is there any word on a patch for all these crashes and bugs?
summer terrace
Friendly reminder that rts will never be fixed
stop making me want to cry
it's okay starstorm real and good
dull ingot
😎
dull ingot
Man... i played my firat game yesterday and almost beat it apparently but now i cant get past the second level🤣
mellow mango
whoa color filter mod really freshens things up
thanks @wicked condor for the continually good mod suggestions
limpid briar
What mod is that?
I need that for Halloween event.
mellow mango
abstract abyss
I like how artificer can become the most op character in the game just by having the lightning jump equipped
dull ingot
What do ya think o' that, Mr. monsoon playan, woolie watchan, tri-tip stackan, item stealan, gesture worshippan, polyp scrappan, corpsebloom trashan, glass avoidan, mithrix killan, huntress simpan, void fields farman, quickplay leavan, bazaar visitan, cally-breek-tattie?
timber spruce
What the fuck is lightning jump
mellow mango
ion surge I would guess
polar anvil
its underrated because "it takes off all damage" and "gives no benefit and makes you an easy target" which firstly its a tradeoff secondly it definitely doesnt
swift badge
Flamethrower has serious early stopping power, Ion Surge is pretty safe throughout most the game
Only wish it scaled better
lament escarp
Easy target? For lesser whisps maybe but nothing else can hit you as long as you keep moving.
Plus eliminating the threat of all grounded attacks without having to endanger yourself with flamethrower it’s pretty good.
tired axle
i feel like both are equally good, ion gives you some pretty good mobility, and flamethrower is 4295% damage on a 8s cooldown
also the 7 procs/second are pretty good
mellow mango
wait, does flamethrower average out to be 7 procs per sec counting cd?
mellow mango
oh, ok
thought flamethrower had better procs per sec than commando m1 for a sec there haha
tired axle
it's only 2.75 procs per second id you consider duration
mellow mango
is that considering it not starting cd till after the flamethrower ends too?
mellow mango
hmm, thats not too bad then
although that doesnt stop me from dying whenever I use it 😔
tired axle
i personally prefer ion as well
summer terrace
ion is pretty boring though imo
lament escarp
Vault way above the enemies and send a rain of destruction. Can see why it wouldn’t be for everyone but once you get the right items you feel like a flying battleship.
forest fog
polar anvil
@forest fog rude
queen pollen
mossy garden
when im playing captain with a friend of mine we both get one beacon of loot
communism
fierce epoch
only one ?
mossy garden
i can only carry two beacons
vague lintel
i drop tonic for one second
summer terrace
BUT MY BODYY
dull ingot
My ⒷⓄⒹⓎ𝗂𝗌 𝗍𝖾𝗅𝗅𝗂𝗇 𝗆𝖾 Yᗴᔕ
short veldt
@north sequoia @novel sorrel Clovers do not work with bears on PS4. After grabbing 20 bears and 2 clovers, I was hit regularly. I can upload video evidence if needed
novel sorrel
Good to know that console isnt THAT broken at least
short veldt
Hah, yep! And I was so excited too... At the point I was at, I would’ve been invulnerable!
tawny plaza
@short veldt
Bears were never affected by luck
short veldt
I understand that. There was a whole debacle a while ago about how it’s different on console, and they are affected by luck on the switch apparently. I had to test to double check. Especially because a throwaway line on the wiki said they are affected by luck on PS4
tawny plaza
big if true
short veldt
Though it’s not. Not for PS4 at least.
novel sorrel
Someone had video proof of them only having 10 teddies but a few clover stacks on switch and they blocked every single hit for like 30 seconds straight which would be almost statistically impossible if bears werent effected by luck on switch. This was pre console 1.0 though so it could have been fixed by now
@tawny plaza
So i asked kuze to test if luck affected them on ps4 whenever he had the chance. Good to know that they dont
gray gazelle
So SML + opinion is busted or is that just me
upper briar
good afternoon gd2
worldly birch
F u n g u s
pine iris
You can say the same about fruit as well
stack fuel cells and gesture with fruit for constant skull novas
night wharf
Man the new meta of this game is getting weirder and weirder
Not saying that in a bad way tho
tepid wolf
I mean it is still based on healing/mobility/proc chains as it always has been
The meta didn't really change much over the years
night wharf
But the ways to break this game are infinite and that’s awesome
tepid wolf
I mean past stage 8 it really stops being about balance
Since at that point you usually cascade into a god run
For obliterations and killing mythrix it is pretty balanced though
tepid wolf
Yep looped runs become basically a dopamine rush
Well the meta changed slightly with the nerfing of shaped glass
Since it was pretty based on glass stacking
night wharf
Rip glass 201?-2020
tepid wolf
Nah it is still really good but it actually has a risk now
You can still break the game by stacking it but you also get oneshot as a risk
pine iris
stack infusions for so long that you overflow your max health and die
tepid wolf
Old glass was basically like the current gesture by it's downside being an advantage in most cases
night wharf
Well it’s new for me
I feel like the more i play this game the more it shows me
Including ways to break it too ofcorse
split vigil
tepid wolf
It is still really good even in Mythrix kill runs
inland kraken
Finally a non-dead chat
tepid wolf
Cutting the equipment CD in half can give you a lot more DPS is a solid amount of cases
inland kraken
cough crowdfunder cough
night wharf
cough brittle crown cough
inland kraken
cough glass cough
forest crag
pine iris
scrapper is THE only actual risk of rain fan
inland kraken
Yes? And?
noble beacon
the enemies got unstable tesla coil in void fields again :(
seriously is it weighted towards the enemies getting that item
its been happening fairly consistently
tepid wolf
You can run out of the void if they get it
noble beacon
yeah i couldnt get out in time and i miss out on a red item that way though :(
fluid notch
I don't know if I've ever seen tesla coil in void fields
noble beacon
very lucky
spare valve
they get tesla way more than they should for me
it's probably 3/10 voids for me
I survived it ONCE as a really stacked merc
I usually just leave the second I see it though
lament escarp
Never seen Tesla coil in void fields.
merry karma
new meta is corpsebloom purity stacking on mando + hitting all blood shrines with crown
hmmm
tired axle
wanted to share this here as well; the dps for mult's primaries with cancelling:
double rebar is 1200% dps with 2 procs per second
double nailgun is 1516% dps with 13 procs per second
nailgun/rebar is 1372% dps with 8 procs per second
as a comparison captain has 960% dps with 6 procs per second without canceling
abstract abyss
And captain also has a stun and orbital strikes as well as near immunity to projectiles and free items/healing
Utility is just as important as damage, keep that in mind.
tired axle
i wasn't trying to make a point or anything; caps damage output would be way higher anyway with perfect canceling
abstract abyss
Hm. I getcha- also, mercenary requires careful use of his exposed mechanic in order to use his other abilities often to deal damage.
daring solstice
acrid is fine since it can chip away health, but with merc its just click dependant
abstract abyss
Merc really relies on his abilities to not get hit, and they also happen to deal damage.
Survival is really first priority when playing merc.
At least, that’s how I play him
daring solstice
even with command artifact I'm still kinda struggling...
which build you usually start with
abstract abyss
I know he has good procs in his base and alt r
I haven’t tried a specific build just yet, however bleeds, Crits and on hit effects work nicely with him
tired axle
if you talking about command you should probably go for crit glasses and harvester's first
abstract abyss
Crowbar is kind of a trap, as his damage comes from sustained attacks
daring solstice
I've been trying to build will o wisp + ceremonial daggers, since I've cleared acrid with that
but I think merc has different playstyle
tired axle
proc chains are probably the better choice
abstract abyss
The molten perforator
tired axle
lol
abstract abyss
Yeah that one is NASTY on merc
daring solstice
is that better than the one from imp?
abstract abyss
What’s that one again?
tired axle
imp is better early game
daring solstice
the crit = bleed = explode
tired axle
the one that bleeds on crits
abstract abyss
Oh, right. It’s alright if you have a crit setup going
tired axle
but don't get multiple stacks, it just scales the explosion
another good boss item can be little disciple when you have good movespeed
daring solstice
yeah my acrid game build around that haha
its just so broken with will o wisp and cere daggers
sprinty boi
tired axle
it can also be really good in a proc build tho, because of the high firerate
abstract abyss
Yeah, on kill effects are often on the back burner with those builds though
Your main dps comes from sustained attacks
tired axle
oh, another thing you should try is helfire tincture with a lot of gestures/fuel cells and razor wire stacking
tired axle
it's really fun
it's technically 4000% dps with just one wire if your hitting 5 enemies
tired axle
because of helfire tinctures selfdamage
tired axle
just get a couple repulsion armor plates
abstract abyss
Hm. Yeah, taking damage is risky, but it does sound neat
tired axle
you basically take no damage if you get just one repulsion armor
i tried it before, trust me
abstract abyss
If I wanted to take damage I’d just play captain 
tired axle
well the damage doesn't matter if it's just 5/s
daring solstice
captain's fireworks is the only thing that matters
killed monsoon mith with 25 fireworks
tired axle
you mean his utility?
daring solstice
yeah, use resupp beacon
abstract abyss
Oh lmao
umbral glen
Hello gd 2
abstract abyss
Clever bastard you are
tired axle
hey
daring solstice
yo
abstract abyss
Oh
umbral glen
Is this place superior to gd1 and why?
tired axle
didn't we talkg about merc just a couple minutes ago?
daring solstice
does cap's microbots on the drones also kills projectile that aims toward the cap
never noticed that
abstract abyss
Yeah, because they target any projectile
umbral glen
does cap's microbots on the drones also kills projectile that aims toward the cap
wrong
tired axle
it kills any projectiles in a radius
quartz saffron
captain vs umbra captain fights are so FUN totally
abstract abyss
Well yours is a fucking sellout then
umbral glen
Agree
abstract abyss
A massive deadweight sonivabitch
umbral glen
Yes
abstract abyss
BUT
Mine seem to work
umbral glen
Let's say there's a greater wisp and I'm standing to the right
When he shoots me the bot shoots the left projectile and i get hit by the right one
Happens most of the time
What a sellout
abstract abyss
Oh yeah, the bot just shoots one because it’s on a timer and can only zoop one projectile
Idk why it shoots the wrong one but that sucks for you I guess
daring solstice
even with syringes it still cant shot 2 smh
umbral glen
He's a sellout
inland kraken
flat petrichor society
flat petrichor society
abstract abyss
👺
umbral glen
lament escarp
Lol
inland kraken
Dead chat
When no one is chatting on a forum/server, such as a Discord server.
Server is silent for 15 mins.
Person: dead chat, sigh
inland kraken
what is
lament escarp
ethereal, perhaps?
inland kraken
like a billion potatoeys Today at 10:32 AM
flat petrichor society
ethereal is ez
got it 2nd try
lament escarp
Not ez but not as hard as I thought it’d be either
Just gotta pray to get a good seed and you’re set
inland kraken
ChiflaGoodluckToday at 2:54 AM
Doubt it. Aside from the fact this Trial will disappear in a few days, it isn’t a cakewalk. It’s easy, sure (thank you Glass 
), but not effortless to get done.
Lies
umbral glen
ethereal is ez
@inland kraken no
inland kraken
yes
umbral glen
It's not ez but this seed is
inland kraken
today at least
inland kraken
yeah b/c the seed was okay but not too great
ok, but do you know every single item in the game and its uses?
umbral glen
Yes except lunar items
inland kraken
ha
opal vortex
Yo are there speedruns of Risk of Rain?
inland kraken
yes
opal vortex
Cuz that would be awesome to watch
umbral glen
Watch cabbage
umbral glen
Ask cabbage
abstract abyss
Where’s the vegetable
umbral glen
@ Cabbage#2356
abstract abyss
CABBAGE PATCH KID
visual oar
< cabbage
abstract abyss
Rex is not better than flabbage
young orbit
coarse crater
like what would've been the paladin?
tacit phoenix
The what
coarse crater
It was a survivor from the contest which would have been from the planet
abstract abyss
Think mithrix but playable
fierce epoch
this is actually a mod
tacit phoenix
Isn't that just loader with visions and head-5vt
abstract abyss
Well maybe
tacit phoenix
or headstompers, whatever you call em
fluid notch
I'd say weaver & chemist were the more interesting ideas given out
rotund bronze
if youre polishing your merc youve failed nnn
umbral glen
I polished my merc for three hours yesterday
?
abstract abyss
Yeah
inland kraken
I polished my merc for three hours yesterday
@abstract abyss ?
winged briar
polishe
fluid notch
Polish
merry karma
🇵🇱🤮
opal vortex
Whats wrong with Poland
merry karma
a lot
vague comet
basically with double nailgun retooling it really fast and getting the spread shot everytime means it has the best dps and procs per sec of any mult m1 combo
but you have to manually release m1 between every retool, so it is really difficult to get any use out of it without a macro
@mellow mango
I have a mouse profile specifically for playing as MUL-T which includes binds specifically for macroing rapid retooling or auto-retool-and-one-frame-clicking; even though I might take advantage of this way of playing MUL-T sometimes, I honestly feel a bit cheesy about it.
I don't know if the devs have acknowledged macro use, but if they haven't, I wish they would one way or the other. Or maybe like, make some changes so that macros aren't required to "optimally" play MUL-T -- like by letting you hold R for automatically retooling rapidly, and/or making the nailgun burst happen upon Retool if you were firing as you swapped.
I'm pretty sure that, before any items are acquired, of all the characters, MUL-T easily has the highest DPS by far of the characters, given his Retool shenanigans, right?
mellow mango
yeah nailgun burst automatically happening on the retool would be nice
no, cap has more base dps with m1 cancelling shenanigans
vague comet
M1 cancelling shenanigans?
I'm aware that with the taser shot he can refire M1 again, but that's only when M2 is off cooldown
mellow mango
you can cancel his m1 with the beacon menu
it is also theoretically insane with macros, the difference is even with suboptimal human performance it is still insane
vague comet
That's nuts
Yeah idk if it'd be considered a "high priority" relative to other work on the game, but I feel the devs might want to consider some sort of acknowledgment of how macro usage can make certain characters wildly more powerful than can possibly be intentional
By making the exploits less effective and/or more humanly plausible
mellow mango
anyway, I dont know if double nailgun with macro would be the "perfect" mult loadout
rebar/nail with a macro would probably be better for trials, and saw/something might be better in normal games still because it would scale with attack speed and has a 1.0 proc co, proc cos less than one like nailguns really get messed up by total damage
and ye, I dunno how I feel about exploits like that either
I have feeling caps will definitely be changed soon though, either made easier or just removed
and I hope they make some changes to nailgun/retool interactions
pff, thats a lot of text I just typed
vague comet
I think one thing we can definitely agree on is
Scrap Launcher is trash 😂
I think it needs a little somethin-somethin to be a viable M1 at all
Maybe homing kinda like Huntress, or having utility like by letting you rocket jump with it like TF2's Soldier
mellow mango
add rocket jumping as a super fun utility option, reduce AoE falloff to make it a viable AoE option
boom
sharp radish
rn scrap launcher is pretty much arti m1 with extra damage from what i've seen. Does it have a longer cd?
warm coyote
i think it has a 2s cooldown or smth
but you have to keep in mind that scrapgun has to carry its own weight in mulT's kit - its not designed to weave into mulT's other skills like artificer's bolts are
sharp radish
good point
tepid wolf
The scrpa launcher is similar to the rebar that you usually just quickswitch to it while using the nailgun if you need to deal with groups
Similar to how you quickswitch to the rebar for quick shots
true sinew
What do you guys think is better. Mobile or stationary turrets? I’m trying to do monsoon engie
tepid wolf
I would say that they are both viable
true sinew
Mobile turrets seem to be a lot less durable
tepid wolf
Use thermal harpoons with mobile turrets
tepid wolf
Glass command and get a capacitor and stack crowbars
Then you can just oneshot the boss on stage 1
tepid wolf
Bubble shield does literally nothing with mobile turrets mainly
true sinew
I’ll just put it on drizzle and grab that real quick
tepid wolf
Thermal harpoons give a lot more offensive power
true sinew
Yeah I noticed.
tepid wolf
And makes you able to deal with flying enemies yourself instead of relying on turrets
Mobile turrets usually get HP from leech seeds and scythes with their high attack speed
Also medkits are great since they get hit less often that stationary turrets
true sinew
Yeah I got unlucky last run
tepid wolf
Also mobile turrets inflict a slow which means death mark is easier to proc
Since it is the same slow that is caused by arrow rain
true sinew
I got 10 soldiers syringes last run but barely any other damage or healing items
tepid wolf
Mobile turrets are beastly with bleeds as well
You need 12 daggers for 99% mobile turret bleed but the payout is good
tepid wolf
Well they attack 5 times per second compared to 3 times per second of normal turrets
Spider mines are also recommended
tepid wolf
They have no wind up and run to the enemies
true sinew
Oh god
tepid wolf
Oh wait harpoons require to just clear the stage without any enemies left
true sinew
Oh
tepid wolf
You just charge the tele to 99% and things stop spawning
true sinew
Oh alright
tepid wolf
Then you just kill everything and walk in
Drizzle is recommende for the super small spawns
tepid wolf
Actually spider mines are a direct upgrade really
true sinew
I’ll get that alt skin in no time I’m sure
tepid wolf
It has less damage than max charged mines but they have a much larger trigger radius
Most of the time you use mines as basically grenades anyway
true sinew
Yeah I barely notice them doing anything
tepid wolf
Well old mines were basically grenades since they had up to 10 charges with no wind up
Harpoons and mobile turrets come down to personal preference though
Spider mines are an exception with them being basically a direct upgrade
dull warren
sdssdsds
timber rover
#gd1-nullified superior.
zinc kernel
you misspelled gesture-discussion-1
topaz owl
Oh word someone brought up gesture
fluid notch
Gesture is a hoax
zinc kernel
Gesture actually doesn't exist
rancid remnant
what is a woolie classic?
zinc kernel
oops
mental pike
double purity, just fly above mithrax and he cant do anything against you basically
zinc kernel
everyone talking about how squid polyp needs a buff what really needs a buff is quickplay randoms
and also their artifact variety
topaz owl
b r u h just use lfg’s that’s the buff
south egret
is poison or blight better for acrid?
stiff cape
Bruh I just got to stage 15 and died. (Going for 52 leaf clover)
stray kernel
Yo I just played some survivors that I don’t play as often. Man mul-t is cool as heck. I love just switching between weapons mid-fight to go from mowing down a large enemy with the nail gun and then swatting down rows of wisps with the rebar puncher
Like, his kit in general isn’t something I play often because it just doesn’t fit with my own playstyle, but he’s still fun to pick up and play every once in a while.
vast umbra
@south egret Generally poison...
But if you're struggling early game Blight is actually a lot better than people give it credit
echo girder
sorry but I just want to say I got all the steam achievements on Risk of Rain 2
fluid notch
Ok
mellow mango
Ok
cinder crag
grats
she is top tier
@south egret blight for solo play
poison for group play or if you go for drones
tepid wolf
I would say only 1 to 2 people need to go poison since it does not stack with multiple players
While blight does
Meaning with blight several acrids you can get really high stack counts
sharp radish
I got commando’s alt m2 and special yay
Now I just need to get piercing wind and cap’s beacons
abstract abyss
Cap’s beacons are easy to get tbh
nocturne lily
any tips on how to get piercing winds? i need that one too
i figured to just get command and stack stuff like will o wisp, get a voodoo doll and let it do the work for me but im not sure
tepid wolf
@nocturne lily just use artifact of glass it works just fine
nocturne lily
ooh ok noted. does aegis help too? or does that not work
tepid wolf
Barrier does not indeed count as HP but Aegis needs a lot of healing to get going
Topaz brooch will be a much easier way to get barrier
nocturne lily
yeah alright, ill probably get command and stack those then
tepid wolf
Nah just artifact of glass without command also does just fine
You start with 9 HP anyway so even a single brooch is enough to get full barrier
dull ingot
Ok so earlier I posted a character tier list based on how much I liked the characters
Now I'm going to post something more controversial, something based on my view of how objectively good the contents are
I'm going to post...
the item tier list
Feel free to fight me
novel sorrel
D TIER TRI TIP?
tepid wolf
Right off the bat the tri tips
wanton axle
tritips in D tier?
novel sorrel
Happiest mask and snowflake above literally any other red?
tepid wolf
Halcyon seed in the same tier as shatterspleen
Shatterspleen is an absolute S tier
In what realm is recycler D tier with radar?
keen flame
how is it objective in your view? thats an opinion
novel sorrel
You could remove a whole part of shatterspleen’s effect and it’d still be S tier. Remove the bonus 5% crit and it’d be s tier, remove the bleed on crit but keep the double 1.0 proc coefficient explosions and the bonus crit and its s tier. Remove the explosion but keep the bonus crit and bleed on crit and its still s tier
novel sorrel
Witness the only true tier list
tepid wolf
Transcendence is basically S tier if you do Eclipse which is nice
keen flame
bandolier really does fit into that category i never thought of it like that
raven summit
That's a much better list
tepid wolf
Brainstalks really depend on the character
Since with huntress, acrid, artificer or slicing winds merc it does extremely well
tepid wolf
Oh and suppressive fire commando
novel sorrel
Did you know loader can have 3 pylons active at once by no more? This post was brought to you by brainstalks
tepid wolf
Yep
Brainstalks is pretty solid with thunder gauntlet
Not as good as afterburner but still pretty useful
floral sundial
head set on loader is a great combo
tepid wolf
It is okay still such a mediocre item
floral sundial
thats cause you havent seen 10,000% super drops
tepid wolf
The main upside of the headstomer the fall damage immunity is negated on loader
Well that only really works if you use the base utility
novel sorrel
I dont really like brainstalks overall but it definetly has its moments. It scales really poorly for super long runs or multitudes since you end up getting global capped cooldowns without it anyway. Its also not only reliant on killing an elite but also reliant on you being in a good position to gain something from ability spamming directly after killing an elite
tepid wolf
Since you can punch upwards with it
floral sundial
you can also punch downwards with it
using the extra speed early game to power up the punch
tepid wolf
Well the upwards is the main part with headstomers
Since it uses up tons of time to use a grapple into a stomp
novel sorrel
Headstompers definetly has its moments aswell cuz its the strongest single hit in the game outside of really high stacks of other items
You need 34 atgs for the atg to do more damage than headstompers
floral sundial
i mean... yes? but kinda no
tepid wolf
Mainly not everyone can get a great use of them
floral sundial
if you deal 10,000% damage, that means you probably got a 100M range impact
so you decimated the area
tepid wolf
Mainly their lock on is really dumb
floral sundial
that said, its got a 1.0 proc, so you could fire off missles from 10K% drops
tepid wolf
Yes thanks headstomp I want to stomp this one wisp and not the damn boss
floral sundial
grapple as you do it?
and i mean, if you are doing it right, you should be able to ballpark a hit that has a lot of range, which means the boss should be in range as well
tepid wolf
Like I only really got some mileage with it as loader on other characters it just takes a lot of time to get high up
As said I use it with charged punch to punch upwards and then stomp down dealing 2 extremely high bursts of damage
novel sorrel
Stompers are definetly not a late game item doe. Enemies die before you can even stomp on them after a few loops
tepid wolf
Early game you don't have the mobility to use them
dull ingot
Ok I know I'm late to comment on anything but I just want to say two things
novel sorrel
Super late game i just use it to cancel momentum lmao. Force myself to actually fall after getting launched towards the skybox
tepid wolf
The higher jump height is often even a downside
tepid wolf
The fall damage immunity does matter on eclipse 3 though
The high jumps are pretty nice to dodge mithrix
dull ingot
how is it objective in your view? thats an opinion
I screwed up my wording and I sounded way too confident, I'm a dummy
Ok bye
keen flame
understandable have a nice day
tepid wolf
Also headstompers stack awfully
floral sundial
i wanna do a stupid run, specifically i wanna do a stupid run where i end up with 50+ irradiant pearls
tepid wolf
So only 2 characters can really use the stomp for early game advantage
Which are loader and artificer with ion surge
novel sorrel
Merc can definetly get some altitude
floral sundial
thats too
tepid wolf
Merc takes a bit but he can with rising thunder get some altitude
Then you must hope everything on the ground is dead
floral sundial
huntress can warp straight up as well, though i guess thats not very high
tepid wolf
Since it is quite likely your R and utility are on cooldown
floral sundial
though, i guess anyone with strides of heresy can just go straight up and use it
it shouldnt be too hard to get one of those if you do get a headset
tepid wolf
Depends on when you get it
Most likely it will be at stage 4 and every shop has strides immediatelly
So you might get it on stage 5 or 6 where it starts being a bit pointless
floral sundial
ive gone multiple shops without strides
plain viper
I'd like headstomper more if i could hold space to go higher instead of being stuck with it
tepid wolf
The low gravity jumps are a downside basically
plain viper
Can't believe they turned a lunar item into a red
tepid wolf
The low gravity jumps only really help against mithrix
floral sundial
their not a downside, but they are not the default jump so its jarring to switch
tepid wolf
Well it is because it takes forever to go back down
plain viper
Its too floaty for my liking
floral sundial
stomp?
tepid wolf
It wastes time
plain viper
Makes it easier to get hit
tepid wolf
No the regular jumps
floral sundial
yeah, stomp
tepid wolf
Having to stomp every 15 seconds to have a better jump is a bit dumb though
plain viper
Got both stomper and mask on my last run, ran around with 2 scrap i found no printer for
Waste of 2 reds getting those 
floral sundial
what? no i mean just stomp to land soonder
plain viper
Cooldown tho
tepid wolf
The low gravity regular jumps waste a bit of time
floral sundial
while on cooldown you have standard jumps
plain viper
It does?
tepid wolf
Yes but having to do a stomp every 15 seconds is annoying
The floaty jumps could honestly be removed for it
floral sundial
i mean, thats you, dont start blaming things you dont like about an item to make it seem like its just bad
tepid wolf
Well it is in the best tier in the game
plain viper
I'd rather get desk plant tbh
tepid wolf
So it can be critisized when it is in such a tier
floral sundial
otherwise id start saying things like tougher times are bad
tepid wolf
Tougher times are a white
floral sundial
whats your point?
tepid wolf
That it is a mediocre item in a tier where the best items are located
floral sundial
their not the best items
tepid wolf
They are
plain viper
Can't only have bangers in the red tier
floral sundial
only the rarest
tepid wolf
Well there are many extremely powerful items there
plain viper
Need some bleh items to balance it out
floral sundial
yeah, and then you have things like frost relic that pretty much everyone would trade for things like soldiers syringe
tepid wolf
Relic is at least pretty good on melees and does a lot of damage
floral sundial
just because its red doesnt mean its the greatest thing since elvis
tepid wolf
And doesn't have something that makes it annoying to have
plain viper
Stomper and mask deffo are on my instascrap list
Snowflake hasnt killed me yet somehow
floral sundial
what? frost relic is constantly zooming the camera in and out, what an awful effect
tepid wolf
I never really minded the FOV change to be honest
floral sundial
yes, see here you go, you just said it yourself, the items effect doesnt bother you
tepid wolf
I mean it at least doesn't make me easier to hit or waste time like stomper moon jumps
floral sundial
no, it just sucks in general
atleast with a head set i have additional options to tackle challenges with
tepid wolf
I mean 600% damage per second is actually a good amount
plain viper
Bit so is snowflake, it gives a melee option for ranged survivors doesn't it
floral sundial
at point blank? the place that gets you melted?
tepid wolf
With kills it has a solid range
plain viper
People play saw mult for some reason
tepid wolf
Well saw is insane but double saw is not great
floral sundial
yeah, im one of them, but even then frost relic is not a desirable red, head set is still more desirable
plain viper
So you can scrap snowflake and we can scrap headstomper 😌
tepid wolf
Like headstompers are a nice Quality of life on eclipse 3 and upwards or if you use frailty
Where fall damage is a much larger threat
plain viper
I just personally prefer the base fall damage over the inconvenience headstomper brings me
floral sundial
fall damage isnt really a threat ever though, fall damage mitigation is like... its a thing? most practical part of that is not losing money with brittle crown
tepid wolf
Well on eclipse 3 it can be
floral sundial
eh, eclipse doesnt intrigue me in any way
plain viper
Unless you fall off the map fall dmg is generally not an issue
tepid wolf
Since it is doubled and possibly lethal and sometimes you just don't get a feather as a character without momentum resets
Mainly mithrix can sometimes launch you with his attacks
plain viper
Dont you just die post mithrix if you don't have any fall damage negation?
umbral glen
Good morning
tepid wolf
Well if you can't stop momentum basically yes
plain viper
Henlo
tepid wolf
Also soup island is a lot more dangerous to get to
umbral glen
Hey
plain viper
Pray to the teddy gods
tepid wolf
Basically you are playing with artifact of frailty that only affects you and not the enemies
floral sundial
i wish armor was a little easier to stack
tepid wolf
I mean a green that gives passive armor could work
It would maybe need a hyperbolic stacking though
floral sundial
i mean we got irradiant pearls
tepid wolf
They are not reliable to get
floral sundial
their armor stacking is bonkers, but its too hard to stack reliably
the only practical way is to get a crazy pearl stack, and hope you sequence into irradiants
tepid wolf
The pools themselves are extremely rare and the irradiant pearls are extremely rare
Well jade elephant, tonic and buckler are the only reliable way to get armor
floral sundial
i dont like the being forced to sprint part though, basically makes me thing "whats the point of that, nothing is gonna hit me anyway"
plain viper
Perma elephant should have you coverer
floral sundial
permaphant is only 83%~ damage mitigation
that doesnt sound like a much nicer 95% damaage mitigation
plain viper
Mult tonic and elephant and sprint around 
floral sundial
the sprint part again, makes it kinda moot point
tepid wolf
The sprint resist comes in handy as mercenary, huntress and saw mul-t
floral sundial
besides tonic is just 20 armor, at those large numbers thats essentially nothing, not even half a percent
tepid wolf
Especially saw mul-t though
plain viper
How much would tonix + ele give you?
floral sundial
13%?
tepid wolf
Mul-t has half the amount of the melees
floral sundial
multi has 12 armor, everyone else with armor has 20 armor
12 armor should be bout 11% damage mitigation?
anyway, irradiant pearls are OP
plain viper
Gl getting even just one of those reliably
floral sundial
i mean its not hard, you just grab everything from a lunar shop
and keep doing that, the more difficult part atleast in solo is getting a cleansing pool to even spawn
tepid wolf
I mean if you cheated in lunars then you can do it
floral sundial
cheated lunars? you can just mass produce them in a command run
plain viper
Believe they only spawn in swamp, floaty platform and alloy unit maps
plain viper
Mass produce lunars?
floral sundial
yeah, so thats why its easy to spawn coins
plain viper
Clover stacking?
floral sundial
exactly,
tepid wolf
Also lunar coin drop chance is halved for every time it drops
floral sundial
doesnt feel like it
plain viper
Just edit them in if you're gonna cheese them anyway
tepid wolf
Oblits, twisted scavs, mithrix kills are much faster
floral sundial
then again i only stick around for about 5 minutes per stage
tepid wolf
Every time a lunar coin drops the chance gets halved
floral sundial
does it reset per stage?
tepid wolf
No
plain viper
Same with natural lunar portal spawns i believe
Their odds halve for every lunar portal that has spawned that run
floral sundial
oh i figured that, ive only ever seen it on stage one and two
floral sundial
one of these days im gonna get that silly massive stack of irradiant pearls
then im gonna go fight mithrix, who will have a silly massive stack of irradiant pearls
plain viper
Time to completely legit get 420691337 lunars
floral sundial
nah, more like 300 or so
tepid wolf
Farming twisted scavs, oblits or mithrix is a faster method
floral sundial
the REAL question though... what character should i play if i wanna get that crazy good stack of irradiant pearls
tepid wolf
And you will need to spend over 80 lunars
floral sundial
well, its 1 lunar to access shop, 2 lunars per item, then 3 lunars to force a level that can spawn a pool
so anywhere from 4 to 14 lunars per shop
plain viper
If youre gonna dump all your lunars at once you dont need to force a stage
If you wanna reset for only irridiscent pools
tepid wolf
Also the downsides of all the lunars will be horrid
plain viper
Then enjoy going into the thousands of stages
floral sundial
ive played with all lunars at once, its not so bad
tepid wolf
I mean with command or on easier difficulties maybe
plain viper
The secret is sacrificial daggers witj shaped glsss
floral sundial
no on monsoon without artifacts
might want to avoid stacking shaped glass super hard but all the others arent a major issue heavily stacked
tepid wolf
Glass stops mattering if it gets rid of OSP anyway
At some point you will get oneshot from half HP by everything basically
Might as well stack it at that point
floral sundial
the difference between getting OS by an elder lemurian, and on shot by a lesser wisp is staggering
tepid wolf
I mean on stage 5 you can already get oneshot by a celestine or malachite wisp
floral sundial
those... those dont spawn first loop under normal conditions
tepid wolf
Well on the first loop you would need to be extremely lucky to find the pool
floral sundial
infact i dont think they can spawn at all first loop
three shots of an estimated 13.2%?
plain viper
Dont think ive seen malachites before stage 6
floral sundial
not terrible odds, and thats assuming im playing alone
tepid wolf
You need on average 25 lunars to get one irradiant pearl as well
floral sundial
yeah so? if im stacking like 60+ lunar items thats not gonna be an issue
i only need the one anyway
plain viper
Throwback to that time i saw an irridiscent pool that yeeted the pearl off the map
floral sundial
ive ALMOST had that happen
pearl hedge
You need on average 25 lunars to get one irradiant pearl as well
I got unlucky, took me 33
floral sundial
the pearl got stuck on the side of the wall, had to jump off to get it and take huge fall damage per pearl
tepid wolf
I mean in the first loop you will get maybe 20 lunars with lunar pods and the shop
If we take around 3 passive lunars per shop with a few lunar pods sprinkled in
floral sundial
assuming maximum lunars per shop, with 0 pods in all stages i can get 20 total going into stage 4
floral sundial
well equipment can be allowed once, twice if playing multi
tepid wolf
You still on average lose 6 lunar items even as mul-t
floral sundial
yeah, but im also assuming no pods as well
tepid wolf
You can't carry 8 equipments
floral sundial
when... well about realistically i can expect pods at about... 0.4-.05ish?
plain viper
Not with that attitude
floral sundial
and we also have to consider the real possiblity that i get cleansing pools on multiple stages, letting me clear my equipment slot(s)
tepid wolf
I mean the chance is 13% per pool 2-3 are extremely unlikely on the first loop
floral sundial
ive had it happen, and i mean im trying to get a crazy high stack of irradiant pearls
tepid wolf
It is a 50/50 to even find one
floral sundial
i think we already know im trying to hedge everything on a lucky run
floral sundial
yeah, realistically, a great run would be 5 passives per shop, and 2 passive per stage, and that is NOT likely
plain viper
34% chance on at least 1 lunar pool in the first loop, if you get the stages that can get it, if you don't accidentally miss them
floral sundial
so hope gold coast doesnt decide to say hi
tepid wolf
And 4% for irradiant pearls
floral sundial
that parts not relevent, i just need the one pearl
plain viper
Ohye gold cosst can mess it up too
tepid wolf
I hope you have hundreds of lunar coins
floral sundial
if im foddering 50+ its likely ill get one
mossy garden
I hope you have hundreds of lunar coins
@tepid wolf laughs in notepad
plain viper
Ir you could just not see the pool cuz it somewhere out of the way you forgot to check
tepid wolf
Liro hasn't edited them in
floral sundial
though i suspect one of my mods has changed the drop rate
tepid wolf
Currently I have 90 which could maybe last 2 runs
floral sundial
what? they are bonkers OP
mossy garden
not really
floral sundial
okay, why arent they?
mossy garden
if you stack them, yes absolutely, but a single pearl isn't much
floral sundial
were talking about getting a stack of 50+
floral sundial
get one irradiant pearl, shrine of command
gonna have lots of regular ones after all
plain viper
Shrine of order?
floral sundial
yes that, sorry
tepid wolf
I mean if it doesn't change them into boss items
plain viper
Is it a 50/50 or are the odds weighted?
mossy garden
Health is gained via shield gens/infusion
Regen is slug/overshadowed by leech
Movespeed is literally half of a goat hoof
Damage is 1 pair of crit glasses
Attack Speed/Crit, both outclassed by white items
Armor is pretty worthless because your survivor has very low base armor
tepid wolf
Pearls are technically boss items as well
plain viper
Can just not pick up oss items then
floral sundial
i mean if i get lucky, i can just recycle all the non irradiants to reduce the different item amounts
mossy garden
i'd argue regular pearls are straight up better than irradiants because they are common enough to stack
tepid wolf
Don't forget order can change your items into scrap
floral sundial
i mean if i dont get the pearls first time i use shrine of order.. what are the chances im gonna live long enough to get another irradiant?
floral sundial
probably not very high, so in all likelihood that run is dead and id have to try again
mossy garden
but even then irradiants are just so worthless
tepid wolf
Not it is a 50/50 you will end up with yellow scrap if you scrap regular pearls
mossy garden
the trouble of getting them outweighs their effect tenfold
floral sundial
i dunno, their effect is just so silly strong
ive had actual stacks from good luck before, not like 50+ but 4 irradiants were massive
tepid wolf
Eeeh not really when the shatterspleen is in the same tier
Which is easier to get irradiants even
floral sundial
so? shatterspleen is good but that in some ways is just as rare to stack
mossy garden
irradiants are just not worth it when ALL of their effects are outclassed by white items except armor, and 10% armor is nothing
tepid wolf
Spleen is easier to get your hands on
mossy garden
regular pearls just boost health. reliable, quick and easy to obtain
floral sundial
okay, tell me exactly what irradiants do, i want to know if were on the same page here
mossy garden
the extra stats Irradiants provide are pretty much worthless
tepid wolf
The 10% to everything is nice but it is basically a regular pearl + some white items
floral sundial
yup, and im looking at that damage
pearl hedge
the extra stats Irradiants provide are pretty much worthless
finally someone else said it
mossy garden
the Crit/Atkspd/Movespeed are literally worse than white items
tepid wolf
Double damage is doable with tonic
floral sundial
eh, thats all just bonus
tepid wolf
A single tonic is 10 pearls worth of damage
mossy garden
Health can be obtained via regular pearls, shield gens, infusion and barrier
floral sundial
oh god no, tonic is another one of those camera distorters, no thanks
mossy garden
10% damage is literally nothing
floral sundial
10% damage that affects everything is not literally nothing
mossy garden
and 10% armor is completely worthless
plain viper
Can just get a mod that disables the camera effect
tepid wolf
Tonic is basically an irradiant pearl but better and needs just a fuel cells a a gesture
floral sundial
10% armor is not completely worthless when you stack it with an elephant
mossy garden
if you have elephant you can't die anyway
floral sundial
besides were not talking a single pearl, were talking stacking
mossy garden
irradiants are not reliable stacking items
floral sundial
yes, they are not
pearl hedge
For how rare they are, irradiants should give a 30/40% bonus
floral sundial
thats why i want to get a run going where i have 50+
plain viper
Imagine spending 3 hous finally getting that pearl and then losing the 50/50 on the shrine of order
floral sundial
3 hours to get the pearl? are you silly? it takes like an hour o so
plain viper
If you're lucky
mossy garden
and the armor boost is completely worthless if you don't have bucklers, elephant and/or play merc/loader/acrid/rex/mulT
floral sundial
and thats assuming BAD luck
tacit phoenix
Why would you even try for the pearl other than the logbook entry tho?
mossy garden
...
floral sundial
cause fun?
plain viper
Assuming bad luck you won't get any with your 300 coins
mossy garden
Pearls are the rarest items in the game period
pearl hedge
microbots tho
mossy garden
those dont count
pearl hedge
u don't count :c
mossy garden
those Chad Gamers belong to Cap'n only
plain viper
I mean u csn get microbots on any survivor in mp 😌
tepid wolf
Tonic quadruples your regen (30 irradiants), doubles your damage (10 irradiants), multiplies you attack speed by 70% (this includes items so 7+ pearls), gives 30% movement speed (3 pearls), gives 20 armor (2 pearls), 50% extra HP (5 pearls)
floral sundial
you can get it on anyone in single player as well, if you use metamorphsis
tacit phoenix
Or if you have a 4 captain metamorphosis run
pearl hedge
if
floral sundial
uh no pearls increase all armor by 10%, they dont actually give armor if you have no armor to begin with
mossy garden
Tonic quadruples your regen (30 irradiants), doubles your damage (10 irradiants), multiplies you attack speed by 70% (this includes items so 7+ pearls), gives 30% movement speed (3 pearls), gives 20 armor (2 pearls), 50% extra HP (5 pearls)
@tepid wolf armor is actually a boost %, so if you don't have armor, its worthless
for pearls, i mean
Irradiants boost all of your armor by 10%, but half of the cast doesn't have innate armor
floral sundial
that said, 1 pearl increases armor from elephants by 50
pearl hedge
Also getting microbots in sp (if not for the logbook) is not a big brain play
tepid wolf
Yes but elephant needs tons of gestures and fuel cells and you won't have gestures if you go for pearls
floral sundial
but fuel cells arent unreasonable
mossy garden
tepid wolf
Well fuel cell printers are not very common
plain viper
Who knows maybe youll have 200 fuel cells from order
mossy garden
ah yes because that makes such a huge difference
floral sundial
yes, now as i said, stack of 50+
pearl hedge
glhf getting a stack of 50 in vanilla
mossy garden
you take 1% less damage
novel sorrel
that said, 1 pearl increases armor from elephants by 50
@floral sundial nope, irradiant only increases base values
its really cringe
tepid wolf
If you try to say that pearls are op with 50 stacks you can say that about a lot of items
plain viper
Gimme 50 stacks of willy wisps
tepid wolf
Saying something is OP with 50 stacks is dumb
mossy garden
with 50 pearls, your armor would increase by 500%, aka 6 x 500 = 3000
floral sundial
really? cause a lot of items arent as eay to get to a stack of 50+
tepid wolf
They are
plain viper
Much easier
tepid wolf
Actually a lot easier
floral sundial
im trying to imagine a stack of 50 reds
pearl hedge
a lot of items don't need to be stacked to 50
floral sundial
i dont see it being easier then 50 irradiants actually
plain viper
Just use command
novel sorrel
With 50 pearls on merc your armor would be 120. It only scales base armor
floral sundial
thats the piont, command disables pearls
plain viper
Or a printer
mossy garden
3000 armor grants about a 97% damage reduction, which is barely noticable from the normal 84% Elephant provides
pearl hedge
command doesn't disable red items
plain viper
Yeah but were talking about not pearls noe
tepid wolf
You can get 50 reds with the soup bowls
plain viper
And how much easier theyd be to get
floral sundial
no you are comparing getting a stack of 50 pearls to getting a stack of 50 of something else
mossy garden
yes that is completely logical
tepid wolf
Because you still seem to act like getting 50 irradiants is trivial
floral sundial
and under the same conditions you can get a stack of 50 irradiant pearls thats much harder for reds, and probably just as hard for greens
plain viper
novel sorrel
@mossy garden firstly irradiant pearl doesnt stack with non armor and secondly, a 84% to 97% damage reduction results in you taking less than a fifth of the damage you did before
tepid wolf
And the soup bowl also exists
floral sundial
im seeing a 13% difference in damage
mossy garden
the chance for a cleansing pool to spawn WITH an irradiant as its innate drop, aka a 0.53% chance
tepid wolf
Armor is hyperbolic so it doesn't do much past a certain point
plain viper
Instead of taking 13% less damage why not stack normal pearls and get 500% extra health
pearl hedge
I'm gonna put it this way: by the point you can comfortably stack 50 pears your game has either crashed, on the verge of crashing or completely trivialized anyway
mossy garden
past elephant it becomes pretty worthless tbh
novel sorrel
If a hit deals 100 damage and you have 84% damage resist it deals 16 damage. If you have 97% damage resist it deals 3 damage. This is less than a fifth as much
floral sundial
who cares about innate drop? im gonna be feeding over 50 lunars into any pools i see
i just need THE ONE irradiante to use a shrine of order
mossy garden
you realise that you just reroll cleansing pools every time you dump a lunar in right?
pearl hedge
What are you gonna be ordering it with?
floral sundial
thats how ill be attempting to stack 50 of them!
im not some idiot thinking hes just gonna roll 50 irradiants from cleansing pools now
mossy garden
...
tacit phoenix
Wait, pearls don't turn into any other yellow item?
mossy garden
your chances for getting an irradiant to even spawn is already stupid low
floral sundial
well ill have a bunch of regular pearls, and one irradiant
tepid wolf
It will still be a 50/50
novel sorrel
Just think of armor as % effective hp. 500 armor is basically 500% damage that can be taken before you die compared to no armor. 3000 armor is basically 3000% more damage that can be taken before you die compared to no armor and so on
tepid wolf
And you think you can do this on the first loop
novel sorrel
The math works out almost perfectly for that
floral sundial
on first loop? hell no
mossy garden
also Pools can only spawn on 3 stages, so good luck with that
tepid wolf
You were talking about the pools on the first loop constantly though
floral sundial
id be lucky to even HAVE ten pearls before stage 3, where i can find a shrine of order
first loop would be the aquisition of pearls, second loop would be conversion to irradiants
ideally atleast
tepid wolf
Well you won't be getting 50+ of the intended pearls on the first loop
floral sundial
thats why the idea of trying it makes it so fun
pearl hedge
Best you can hope for is 6-7 lunars per stage, assuming you buy out the shop (and assuming it only has passives) and a few lunar buds spawn
floral sundial
well i mean if i got all the conditions to align within two loops id be fine with just 25
tepid wolf
All those stacked corpseblooms will sure be good past the first loop
mossy garden
i mean, transcendence