or a mod.
#gd2-nullified
spring dawn
sullen stirrup
If I get Silence Between Two Strikes and molten perforators, do the fire ball thing’s come out as lighting strikes...?
obtuse plover
What don't you go try it man then report back to us :)
visual oar
Would be a cool easteregg if they had dancing construction golems like the golems in ror1s final stage
Somewhere hidden away
winged briar
feedback add groovin chimeras to commencement 😎
mellow mango
groovin
like groovin salad?
winged briar
do you groove?
mellow mango
my salad does
winged briar
then yes
vestal raft
add grooving salad to commencement
mellow mango
^
blazing sky
winged briar
wtf why
gentle ivy
guys, does anyone know how to unlock this survivor? 'Mod,Starstorm' if anyone plays this mod could help me?
wicked condor
look around the far left side of Temple of the Elders
gentle ivy
hmm ok
steady latch
Holy shit, I already put it in bug report some time ago, but every single time I'm in void fields I'm suprised when music just fucking blast my eardrums at 200% power
vestal raft
ya it feels absurdly louder than the other soundtracks for w/e reason
i had music in general turned down but even when i did that, void field music would just be blaring
now i just have music muted 
mellow mango
there is a reason
the music is a bop in the void fields
now i just have music muted :nkoHehe:
I can't believe you've done this
steady latch
Yeah, you can imagine my surprise when I have music at 10% or so
vestal raft
i just like having my own music playing when im playing ror2
steady latch
the music is a bop in the void fields
vestal raft
ror2 music is still a major BOP
steady latch
isnt that track grandfathered from ror1?
I mean, it's banger, but it's not original song for the game
And I really rather to enjoy it at normal volume, tbh
vestal raft
i wish the herzog monologue was in the soundtrack in-game tbh
red echo
beetle
frosty stream
Acrid!
gentle ivy
@wicked condor I found the vehicle, how do I find the battery?
wicked condor
loop until you get Sunken Tomb as the stage 3 variant
gentle ivy
puts
merry karma
executioner gang
gentle ivy
Wooooow.... is this Han-D variant is based on the CyberDemon Of Doom?
winged briar
bruh i just beat mithrix solo monsoon the NERVES
severe chasm
6MM is so much fun good lord
worldly perch
6MM?
carmine tree
wait what?
pine iris
it happens. you just have to wait it out.
carmine tree
i really shouldn't move on the last jump pad
pine iris
you shouldn't slam attack on the last jump pad.
chrome hedge
looked like acrid got caught in flypaper
carmine tree
it's like mithrix says "i don't need more pet, get off doggu"
dull ingot
bison runs up a wall and falls and dies
https://medal.tv/clips/33473124/d1337tYSOEB0
pine iris
wtf 🤣
mellow mango
looks like a missile hit it maybe
versed epoch
This was supposed to be a quick run to get REX's alternate utility
Still didn't get it
dull ingot
oof
keen mirage
didn't even get it rip
knotty otter
nice
winged briar
incredible
knotty otter
:)
tired axle
imma one up you
knotty otter
you win
tired axle
lmao
dull ingot
Hey wait no that doesn't count you have cheated in items
late harbor
this was my best run so far (i used command, sacrifice and swarm artifact)
dull ingot
Hell yeah
late harbor
i did like 500 million damage
knotty otter
that's my best
late harbor
did the game lag when u killed an enemy?
knotty otter
it was a powerpoint presentation
honestly not as bad as I thought it would be though
late harbor
mine always dropped to like 10fps when i killed an enemy because the whole word exploded
knotty otter
yup
dull ingot
This is my best so far
knotty otter
we've been bested
late harbor
iam depressed now
knotty otter
brb I'm gonna play for 24 hours straight
dull ingot
I already plan to do that
knotty otter
damn
dull ingot
Yeah my friend gave me a challenge to use all the artifacts on monsoon and I thought to myself why not make that a 24 hour run too
knotty otter
furthest I got with all artifacts monsoon was stage 7 I think
got clay templars ;-;
tired axle
couple tips for that 24h run, don't go to special bosses like aurelionite, they can get infinite health
same goes for mithrix and twisted scav
dull ingot
Oh fun
knotty otter
if you have sacrifice and command though you can farm aurelionite place for items
novel sorrel
My best
tired axle
yeah, just don't go there late into the run
knotty otter
dull ingot
I might of got stuck in the artifacts room because scavs kept healing the artifact
tired axle
didn't even know that was possible
knotty otter
I almost got stuck in the artifact room before because it took about 5 minutes for anything to spawn
dull ingot
Yeah it was the artifact that gave them items every stage thing and they had healing slugs
tired axle
i got stuck in the artifact room once, because i had purity
knotty otter
tired axle
really glad they changed that interaction
knotty otter
that sounds painful
tired axle
acrid looks kinda tilted
dull ingot
The 2 screen shots I took
left seal
just curious, what survivor is best with happiest mask
knotty otter
green
left seal
cause i was playing artificer and i got 2 of em :/
tired axle
yeah, engi is the only one with any synergy, even if it is very little
left seal
thanks for the info
im kinda new so im still getting used to what to build for each survivor
tired axle
really wouldn't ever recommend doing an engi mask build tho
the item is really not that good
left seal
lucky to get a legendery item but unlucky at the same time haha
knotty otter
yup
vestal raft
not that it would be really feasible to make a build around a single red item
without command that is, and with command
you can make any build work
vestal raft
yaya
tired axle
yeah, command is only really fun if you're trying to do a really long run
left seal
im really bad at commando, i cant fight the giant stone golem at the 1st stage in an open area T.T
tired axle
you can hide behind other enemies
left seal
can you??
tired axle
yup, only reason i sometimes leave stone golems alive
left seal
oh wow thats news to me, i remember someone saying that you could run inbetween their legs
but then again, i still died
yup, only reason i sometimes leave stone golems alive
@tired axle thank you for this, ill be sure to leave 1 alive haha
tired axle
you're welcome
i'm gonna do monsoon all artifacts as missile drone
only one missing is metamorphosis, for obvious reasons
dull ingot
Lol
winged briar
is that just the debug thing?
tired axle
i used cheat engine
winged briar
ahhh
tidal reef
(debugtoolkit is better)
tired axle
so i accidently killed myself on the final stage because i forgot to stop pressing m1
guess i'm restarting
swift badge
Any idea if you can play as a TC-280, or are there issues with that?
winged briar
that may be a problem
swift badge
Oh right, their interaction hitbox is way higher?
tired axle
yup
swift badge
So only the smaller ones are really playable. Okay.
Is Missile Drone your preferred drone, then?
tired axle
yup
tired axle
not sure about that; guess i'll try later
swift badge
I’ll have to poke at mods after I 100% the game. Seems like a lot of dumb fun.
tired axle
aight, i'm done with missile drone all artifacts monsoon; it's not impossible, but really annoying if rng screws you over
might try it again some other time
winged briar
how is missile drone normally?
dull ingot
@tired axle it's okay I will take over from here
dull ingot
ayo yo i have a challenge run planned where all artifacts are active on monsoon but i have unlimited lunar coins and just was a set of rules and mods that you guys would allow in it
winged briar
this is worded really poorly
dull ingot
its like its telling you to make your primary worse as artificer
sour furnace
really poorly is an understatement
that is straight up telling you it's good that you make your primary worse
tired axle
also i don't think that acrid thing is still true, i just tested it with 10x attack speed
winged briar
wtf going on in gamepedia 😳
solid violet
how do i do the prismatic trial with merc without falling below 100%hp?
what are some tips
solid violet
glass is on
tired axle
just do the trial a bunch and learn enemy spawns
graceful rivet
U like my dmg
tired axle
did you die to meteor?
graceful rivet
No
novel sorrel
Trust no one, not even yourself
deep plover
how did you survive
i mean 10 teddy bears is a good amount but not enough to prevent you getting oneshot at 1hp
oh wait, 52 goat hooves. alright.
severe chasm
What acrid thing? @tired axle
tired axle
The wiki says that stacking too much attack speed with acrid dissallows him from using his m1 combo
tired axle
Yeah
severe chasm
Then again, with both Melee Blight, Ranged Blight and Ranged Poison you dont use your primary much at all unless you have visions
With Melee acrid you really just spam your bite
raven lichen
this might be true actually, but impractical in a normal game. hold on.
No bigger damage num, heal, or band procs. Granted it is 10k syringes in the clip, but there is definitely a tipping point
I dont think im actually ever seeing the second swipe here actually, so i could probably go down to like 3k and see something similar? not sure
I occasionally see the second swipe at 2k syringes. Gonna try and find the tipping point.
Here it is, going over 90 attack speed is the tipping point for no third swipe. This happens at exactly 594 syringes.
noble beacon
erm so
the chests fell from the contact light, right?
in which case, why are there chests in underground areas like sirens call's caves and also in abyssal depths
and bulwarks ambry.
and what even are tri shops.
final shadow
The lemurians stole some of the chests and brought them to their tunnels
noble beacon
is that canon
final shadow
And as for why there are some chests in the Ambry, perhaps they tried throwing some in there to see what would happen after they opened the portal
Yes, lemurians bringing stuff underground is canon
noble beacon
seems very implausable regarding bulwarks ambry.
rugged garnet
You talk about that, but rusted lockboxes can store fresh meat and slugs without them dying and rotting
final shadow
But we really don't know why there are chests in the Ambry
noble beacon
well yes petrichor V is weird and magical.
but it doesnt explain things like tri shops.
rugged garnet
Rusted lockboxes submerged in water, left out in the sun, etc
Tri shops could possibly be a variant of 3d printer that already has materials, but needs user input to select an output
Since both printers and multishops have a projection of an item
noble beacon
seems unlikelyish.
versed epoch
Is getting slicing wind even possible?
sleek forge
all hoof for loader a good strat?
narrow trellis
ha i just figured out about the island in a moment fractured with the easter eggs on it
untold yarrow
pine iris
Is getting slicing wind even possible?
@versed epoch yes
tawdry crescent
Its just very freaking hard
sturdy tapir
Ugh I want to get rex but It feels just painful to do it
worldly perch
my experience with monsoon so far is "if you don't play a mobility survivor, you lose before stage 5"
dull ingot
Or a tank ^
haughty temple
Isnt a good strat for the whole rex unlock dropping and picking up the array(?)
worldly perch
MUL-T seems to be going for tankiness, what with their slow speed, but they really don't do well w/o a few medkits and syringes
dull ingot
Yeah I suppose. And loader is pretty much just too OP with their utility
worldly perch
loader is really fun honestly
utility is only OP if you can reliably get good speed imo
wow one shot from beetle queen on stage 1, that's a first
dull ingot
Lol yeah. Funny thing btw, playin loader, got every legendary twice, got to stage 24, went through the celestial portal, went to a moment whole, beat the scavenger, then the game froze and there was an error in the software. Love you switch.
worldly perch
wait the game's on switch?
dull ingot
Yep. Not in 1.0 yet.
So I have nothing else to do but farm lunar coins in amw lol. Captain sounds too confusing for my "big punch pow pow"-only brain though so I doubt I'm really missing much at the moment
worldly perch
honestly captain isn't too complicated aside from drones
primary is just a charge shot and utility is just raw dps
dull ingot
Ahh okay. Then again, I'm horrible with any long ranged character besides huntress (and acrid?) for obvious reasons
pine iris
MUL-T seems to be going for tankiness, what with their slow speed, but they really don't do well w/o a few medkits and syringes
@worldly perch all survivors have the same base speed you ignorant buffoon
worldly perch
huh, guess my mind is just seeing it otherwise, good to know
dull ingot
@pine iris the only other roguelike I play a lot is the binding of isaac so I forgot that characters could have the same base stats lol
narrow trellis
so is google stadia seriously getting 1.0 before the other consoles
or is it dropping for everything
worldly perch
it's getting a new update before pc so i'd imagine it's coming before console
narrow trellis
because if only google stadia gets 1.0 before playstation switch or xbox
stadia is actually horrible of a console
worldly perch
it's an ok idea, but the execution is awful
plush sun
hi i'm here now
lucid frigate
3 skins down, bois. Many tears still remain to be shed.
cerulean spire
stadia is just the BTEC geforce now
upper briar
holy shit feels bad man
pearl siren
f
tired axle
use sacrifice and enigma, to farm infinte lunar equipments
it also increases the chance of the pool spawning
you could also add vengeance, since they have a chance to drop your lunar items
not sure how high that chance is tho
carmine tree
using artifact 🤔
I should try that
pearl hedge
use sacrifice and enigma, to farm infinte lunar equipments
@tired axle does it work in 1.0?
worldly perch
this has been my past 10 runs
vestal raft
worldly perch
tired axle
@pearl hedge yeah, why shouldn't it work?
you get an equip with sac, and then just use it till it turns into a lunar equip
pearl hedge
Oh I thought you were talking about the effigy
tired axle
Oh, i see
hollow pilot
a mini magma worm
upper briar
mgm wrm
vestal raft
upper briar
like a dog chasing its tail
polar anvil
worm Magma
hollow pilot
yeees
i should've just put that instead of what i put below the head and the tail
i'm such an idiot
ocean elbow
does anyone else never seem to get solus control unit as a tp boss
tired axle
i think i got it in a pretty long run once
but most of the time i just see it as a regular spawn on meadows
ocean elbow
its weird that hoards of many are more common
vestal raft
solus control unit takes more credits for the directors to spawn iirc
even if they're not really difficult
dull ingot
Yeah they be a rare spawn sadly
mellow mango
Yeah I usually see one or two in sky meadows when I get there on monsoon
but almost never as a tp boss till much later
ocean elbow
are they more expensive than shock worms
mellow mango
idk tbh
It is kinda sad solus isn't a more common boss, as getting magma worms literally every time in sky meadows can get a bit annoying for sure
ocean elbow
cos in multiplayer if I activate more than 1 mountain shrine stage 5 I almost always get an overloading worm
it feels really strange that they added a new boss and you never even fight it except as a basic enemy
dull ingot
I mean you can always just spawn it on the 3rd stage
ocean elbow
it only spawns on sirens call and stage 5
mellow mango
wdym dank kid?
vestal raft
thought so
i was gonna say that but i didnt have any information on that besides experience and didnt wanna sound like the dumbo i am
dull ingot
Yeah I forgot the map name but that's fine plus it's a special boss so I don't want to give out too much info
mellow mango
if you are talking about awu it only spawns stage 4 and is different from the solus control units
vestal raft
you're talking about ally worship unit right? that's siren's call, which is a stage 4 map
and yeah it's a different monster altogether
mellow mango
but also you really don't need to worry about spoiling haha
dull ingot
It's basically the same thing it uses the same model, attacks and sounds
ocean elbow
theyre two different bosses
dull ingot
I know
mellow mango
basically the same is not the same
ocean elbow
worship unit is supposed to be rare but the normal unit is a regular boss so why is it so rare
vestal raft
i wouldn't say AWU is rare
ocean elbow
well its supposed to only spawn in special cercumstances
vestal raft
it's weird that you don't see SCU as much, i do agree
ocean elbow
circumstances
mellow mango
yeah the fact that you see a boss as an enemy more than a boss is pretty wack tbh
vestal raft
curcimstances
ocean elbow
as it stands I see AWU far more often than SCU despite it being the stronger version and a 'secret' boss
vestal raft
ya
mellow mango
about the same I think
but depends on what difficulty you play on/how fast you go
because you usually see 1-2 SCU on sky meadows from my experience
vestal raft
they mean SCU as a teleporter boss
tired axle
i have killed like 100 more awus than scus
mellow mango
oh as a boss you see AWU way more yeah
as someone who mostly just plays the first loop/obl I have not seen SCU as a boss in sooo long
ocean elbow
yeah
my friend hates looping for some reason so I never get to play long runs except in single player
dull ingot
How dare he hate loops
ocean elbow
right?
old ledge
honestly
tired axle
wait, is the mithrix log bugged; it says i killed him 0 times
old ledge
i'd see either scu spawn more on siren's call
or removal of the vagrant.
on that map anyway
@tired axle it's a bug. I believe Mithrix has a a special way of dying that doesn't trigger the normal "kill" stuff. Phase transitions and his final "death" and starting of the timer also don't properly call normal "kill" things.
tired axle
does that mean you can't get a mithrix ghost with mask?
old ledge
I... think you might be able to? It's weird because he clearly doesn't die in some ways but does for others. Like a Dio's brings him back, but dio's might be triggered on 0hp rather than on death
vestal raft
maybe you got unlucky 
tired axle
i did get this cool screenshot tho
dull ingot
That is cool
vestal raft
the council will now decide your fate
dull ingot
xD
old ledge
...wait how the heck did you get back that quickly
also yeah looks like dios triggers differently maybe
or maybe the game registers that Mithrix dies
tired axle
i used noclip
old ledge
but not that you killed him
dull ingot
How the hell
tired axle
i changed my character to mithrix and killed myself
dull ingot
Ohh
tired axle
only worked for the phase 4 mithrix tho
dull ingot
I was wondering how you got back to the island
old ledge
and only the last one actually dies
and if the mithrix in the logs isn't last stage, and those never die
okay i begin to see what might be going on here
i.. think.
tired axle
it's actually 4 mithrixes, you can also play as the one from the escape sequence
old ledge
...wait what?
But he's dead. Do you just... fall down, disintegrate, and randomly make those blue explody lines everywhere?
is that how they coded that part?
tired axle
you just turn invisible and those lines appear randomly
also you can't move
apperently you still have some skills, but they don't seem to do anything
oh another thing, the mithrix from the third phase is the same entity as the one from phase 1
merry karma
what's the weirdest thing to play as?
old ledge
that's super neat though
that basically means that the final escape is you being chased by mithrix's vengeful ghost
errant mountain
Mithrix appears in the escape sequence?
tired axle
technically
it's an entity labeled as mithrix haunt
it's responsible for the laser wall thingies
raven lichen
Birdshark is just the things that fly out in the distance on stage 1
merry karma
can you change your equipment cooldown or something?
tired axle
you can use fuel cells and gestures
merry karma
I mean like what would happen with -1, 2147483648 and stuff
old ledge
For Mercenary, I'd recommend a monster tooth or two, a bandolier or six, maxed bleed and crit if possible, and if you can get it, a afterburner.
tired axle
having a negative cd would probably be the same as 0 cd
merry karma
does overflowed hp kill you?
old ledge
I don't think so. I think it's something different to overflow that makes enough shape glasses kill you.
merry karma
floating point or rounding error I guess
tired axle
probably just going below 0.5hp and the game rounding down
old ledge
if it were possible you'd probably be down stats per each negative level by the growths
merry karma
what would negative speed do 
tired axle
in most other games it just moves you backwards
merry karma
I know
tbh I tried making a mod where every projectile of commando has a random position relative to him as well as a random angle, recoil, damage and speed and the next day both of my pcs died so that's fun
tired axle
if i set my level to -1 the game sets it to the maximum
merry karma
oh
tired axle
and getting any amount of xp sets it back to what it previously was
guess xp and level are saved seperatly
old ledge
a nice sanity check. you'd need to set exp and level seperately to make it work i think
which means making the exp to level equation work in reverse with probably hilarious consequences
mellow mango
acrid is not awful
but he is a bit underpowered for sure
however, I think he is a very fun melee survivor
old ledge
Acrid has a problem where he has no real damage mitigation, only regen that doesn't help him that much. He's more a melee hybrid, using his poison stuff to weaken a target and then going in with the claws.
vestal raft
purity is situational
old ledge
if you use command mode, get a bunch of purity and some visions of heresy, you can hold down m1, m2, and R and you just vomit this stream of absolute multicoloured death
vestal raft
whilst being unable to proc any items that don't already have a 100% chance to proc
old ledge
Purity is good on good skills. it's all about shifting power from procs to the character.
Commando for example, with a couple purities, can get his bullet slide cooldown so low he basically gains flight from using it in midair
Purity is a super situational item
mellow mango
nah, corpsebloom is good
old ledge
corpsebloom can usually always do decent work on first loop
Never get more than one though
if you need more healing get your hands on a rejuv rack instead
mellow mango
never say never
old ledge
Except in this case. You heal slower with each one, even if you heal more overall. Stacking bloom is a great way to end up a corpse that keeps healing for several minutes after you die.
mellow mango
stacking 2 is not a horrible idea if you have basically no healing imo
old ledge
Chronobauble weakens ||Mithrix|| a lot and can be used for death mark. (spoilered in case you haven't got that far yet)
vestal raft
you should probably provide the context of the spoiler lol
spoiler is final boss' name
old ledge
right ye
Ah, well
basically he has to run up to you to hit you, because he's a melee combatant
and his dashes aren't quite enough on their own, so if you slow him he becomes a lot easier to manage
but on console, if you're not running death mark chronobaube is pretty bad yes
Yep. But his moveset gets nerfed hard, so it's not TOO bad
mellow mango
very hard to pick a worst item, because everything is useful at some point
old ledge
Fresh meat is pretty dire, tho
mellow mango
fresh meat is a contender for sure
but not bad early-game healing and useful with fmp
vestal raft
mired urn is fun with aegis and rejuv
mellow mango
mired urn is actually decent in singleplayer though
well, not everyone plays engi haha
just stand away from the turrets
old ledge
okay but have you ever used mired urn on vengeance swarm
iirc if you throw in chaos the clones also infight
tawny bloom
Polyp is worst imo
rancid remnant
Okay so, some context. Artifact of Primacy(HonpoRebalace mod) triples any item you pick up. That includes Ancient Scepter(classicitems mod), the extra reds that ancient scepter rerolls into... all the items that get added to your inventory when you his a shrine of order... and all the items that are given back during mith's final phase.
My shrine or order turned 10 reds into 30 scepters... which got rolled into 90 misc reds... which all got tripled again when mith gave them back. Which is how i ended the run with 300+ red items.
Also was playing with ArtificerExtended and BiggerBazaar(which is also broken when paired with primacy)
merry karma
that's cool
tepid wolf
Something is just super fun about pushing the game to it's limits
bronze swan
Are engineers turrets hit scan?
rancid remnant
mith picked up 20 sum dio's which was frustrating to deal with but when your behemoth blast cover the whole arena its not such a big deal
tepid wolf
My most gamebreaking moment was mul-t with a ton of attacks speed power saw 3 clovers a perferator and a bunch of sticky bombs
Was basically planting 60 sticky bombs per second and creating a rain of fire
rancid remnant
love it
tepid wolf
Also turns out 60 sticky bomb beeping at once are pure earrape
rancid remnant
tepid wolf
Was fun running into a group of scavs and dropping to single digit FPS
Also at the end of the run I fought the twisted scavemger which I nearly knocked to the side of the map with the saw
I basically had to chase it down
covert bison
So, I've unlocked everything besides Merc's alternate R
I've been doing prismatic trials for about an hour, with no attempt lasting more than 1:30.
Any tips?
mellow mango
pick a trial with glass
distant patio
quaint crystal
not frequently
crystal cloak
@covert bison watch cabbage do it and learn from him
winged briar
what do y'all think of this stage 2 😳
vestal raft
swaggie!
winged briar
this is my first time playing rex too lmao
winged briar
does the stealthkit proc on self-damage?
vestal raft
ya
winged briar
NICE
vestal raft
clover and stealthkit is just full cloak rex
upper briar
go go gadget stealth kit
old ledge
you spend health
you';ll be around 70% most of the time
throwing out m1s and rs to heal and immediately consuming it for seed volleys
your health isn't health, it's damage
gusty gale
I don’t know if or when Han-D will be added, but if his effectiveness against flying enemies is a problem why can’t he just get a hammer throw?
final shadow
Because he'd have to pick it back up
gusty gale
Either recall or he swaps to just punching stuff until he gets it back
mellow mango
han-d's drones would give him a decent way to deal with flying enemies
last perch
hello
fierce epoch
How to get destroyed by mithrix in 0.1s
fierce epoch
nice pfp btw
sour furnace
thank
stole it from here
this was how to get obliterated by a malachite elder lemurian
who spat at me once and i just vanished
mild grotto
Honestly, Command is such a great QoL thing. Love it or hate it, a built-in item picker in a roguelike without cheats is a great way to just fuck around
Makes me wish other games had it. I'd sure like it in Gungeon so I could open black chests without getting goddamn Strafe Gun all the time
pine iris
...I like the Strafe Gun
mild grotto
It's an ok gun, but it sure as shit doesn't belong with Makeshift Cannon and AKEY-47
Especially when Cat Claw does its schtick better and is also a tier lower
grand plover
winged briar
i put the run aside for a few hours while i did stuff with friends and it's still goin good 😳
(about to go into mithrix as rex)
vocal elm
upper briar
:pensivewobble:
winged briar
that was a good run though! that was the first time i'd played rex so to get to phase 4 on the first try is pretty epic
rex isn't so good at repositioning lmao
that being said, i'm maining rex now 😎
dull ingot
and im stuck in hell
winged briar
w h y
also what how wide is your monitor for the artifacts to be displayed like that
winged briar
ahh, ok
dull ingot
big screen
dull ingot
my own gunner turret killed me ;-;
winged briar
of course
winged briar
so i'm just playing my less played survivors tonight and good GOD engi has a lot of damage output
storm furnace
I just got engineer, Rex, and mercenary mastery all today
Feeling kinda proud of myself
winged briar
good job!!!
storm furnace
Thanks
Although I was using artifacts to make it easier so I can’t be given too much credit
I’m probably gonna try to do artificer next cause I still need her, acrid and mul-t
storm furnace
Yes
I definitely did
After I get masteries and finish the character challenges I can just focus on god runs
But also wait for 1.0 cause I’m on Xbox and it’s not out yet
winged briar
ahh yeah, that should be within a few months
storm furnace
Yup, I’m hoping for October to be the month but that may just be wishful thinking
narrow nest
my rng is popping off rn
severe chasm
Both of those proc bands really well 👀
worldly perch
chronosteak 
strange fulcrum
Amazing combo
pine iris
I find myself using captain m2 more then some people do. it's actually really good for freezing fast-moving enemies so you can hit them with your shift.
upper briar
it also resets your m1
pine iris
also true, but that's not the point
wise ruin
what fast moving enemys
vestal raft
no please don't suck the life force out of me i have kids
tired axle
so, umbra can get themself as ghosts using happiest mask and meteors
really difficult to get a good screenshot since my entire screen is filled with meteors
polar anvil
glass shaming
tired axle
did it again with mired urn, now you can actually see
tired axle
what do you guys think of squid umbras?
raven lichen
Very cute and powerful
frosty stream
Glacial Squid
rancid remnant
howd that happen?
winged briar
“Horde of Many”
high gate
@tired axle are you using cheat engine?
Oh, lmao i see now
But how did uget squiddo?
rare meadow
get tougher times
dull ingot
@high gate might be a bit late, but you can change your character using rorcheats mod
withor probably changed to squid turret right before umbra appeared and then changed back
high gate
@dull ingot yeah ik, i work with spaceman on cheat engine
We're working the evolution inventory now
tired axle
withor probably changed to squid turret right before umbra appeared and then changed back
That's exactly what i did
narrow gate
when the brass contraption knocks you into the vagrant blast 😦
vestal raft
stay out of the LOS of the vagrant
tulip saddle
ok cool
vestal raft
so yeah, take cover
tulip saddle
also does anyone have tips for fighting mithrix as solo loader
got merked by his hammer trying to do the one thing loader is good at (which is grappling then using shift)
high gate
@tulip saddle just do it again, but faster this time
tulip saddle
thank u lol
i havent beat mithrix alone yet as loader but how would I go about handling the last phase when he takes my items? do I just need to camp with a use item or can loader reach with alt M2
dull ingot
well to beat mithrix, loader should try to stack burst damage items
so things like runald, kjaro, atg
loader has mobility to easily evade, a couple recovery items are helpful incase you mess up and get hit
for the first three stages this is fine until the final stage, loader struggles a bit
tulip saddle
i figured as much bc final stage must be hard
dull ingot
because you sort of have to get close to mithrix to get your items back
vestal raft
taking advantage of the pillars is helpful because you can use your pylon to get your items back as well
dull ingot
so to compensate for lack of long range, I would take royal capacitor, preon, or missiles
tulip saddle
should I try to find some kind of ranged use item before I fight him? maybe the missile launcher
dull ingot
pylons are kindof short range
still risky
yea, for loader 1 long range weapon helps a lot during final phase
vestal raft
well yeah, that is assuming you don't have ranged equipment
punching would be even more risky
dull ingot
oh well they you are in trouble XD
vestal raft
but hey. risky is fun!
dull ingot
the default loader punch would be better than thunder fist for this
as you pierce through mithrix to retreat
vestal raft
oh well they you are in trouble XD
@dull ingot
meh, not really. as long as you're careful with your movement, you wouldnt have too much of an issue unless he has tesla
thunder punch isnt bad either, as you can rebound back to the cover you came from
dull ingot
reason why I grab a range item
vestal raft
yeah, but that's not always possible
vestal raft
and you might not always get there in time, or get a guaranteed rallypoint w/o bazaar anyways
dull ingot
with loader, never XD
vestal raft
well, maybe
but eh. i'm not a fan of preon anyways, and i don't always have problems with getting items back without equipment
besides with merc really
tulip saddle
also i have a question: is the timed chest on rallypoint delta always in the same spot or does it change
dull ingot
change
vestal raft
it spawns randomly in 3 set locations
dull ingot
so make sure you got a couple minutes
vestal raft
3? i think 3, but there are markers that indicate where the preon will be
tulip saddle
i spent like three of those minutes trying to find the teleporter in wetland aspect, i sweart hat stage is the hardest to find the teleporter
dull ingot
for me its scorched acres
I can see the pixie dust in wetland
but in scorched acres it blends with the orange light
high gate
@tulip saddle pay attention to his attack cooldowns, and also the balls of death dancing around
i spent like three of those minutes trying to find the teleporter in wetland aspect, i sweart hat stage is the hardest to find the teleporter
@tulip saddle i remember once i had an ultra god run as merc and could never find the tele, just sat still for 5 hours until i died
tulip saddle
welp. found the timed secuirty chest with 10:01 on the clock.
what luck
ror2 should have a quick restart button
vestal raft
lol someone just mentioned that in #prismatic-trials
tulip saddle
especially for that mode
swift sequoia
Anybody tryna play on xbox
severe chasm
celest tinsel
jellyfish in the void fields is terrifying
as soon as you turn around theres already another explosive behind you
winged briar
very epic items for enforcer going into mithrix (my equip is also forgive me please so on-kills are still relevant)
wish i got a fuel cell or 2 beforehand but it's fine
epic chip damage from wisp led to my demise
nimble valley
sundered grove tomorrow right?
opaque socket
proud stream
Forge Me Please is legit the best equipment in the game
It makes sure that an entire category of items (on kill) is always viable. Same can't be said for attack speed Artificer, haha
waxen girder
there arent enough on kill effect items
only 13 items, and some of the effects are poopoo, out of 80 items
you get monstor tooth heal, gasoline proc, topaz brooch proc, fresh meat proc, wisps, infusion, bandolier, beserkers(doesnt even activate if you arent killing anything else), ghor's tome, daggers, frost relic, soulbound catalyst, and distructo dic. 5 of them are very good, but requires legendaries/stacks of said items, the rest are kinda mediocore...
proud stream
I would say more than 5 of those are "good", and 13/80 is still ~16%, that's not an insignificant amount. Depending on the items and character, it's a free heal, shield, cooldown reduction or a straight up nuke. It's pretty cool with how much it enables. Late/End game obviously falls off a bit as you are one-shotting everything anyway, but the doll really helps getting there in the first place
waxen girder
only 5 of them are good, the rest are kinda trash ngl
topaz, wisps, dagger, catalyst, and the disc
3 of them require red items
and the other two requires a lot to be effective at best
dull ingot
gasoline if you stack it also stacks like bleed
dull ingot
as each stack increases the duration and damage length
waxen girder
of like, 8 damage
dull ingot
well you need a few to feel its effects
waxen girder
multiple gasoline only increase the time and range
dull ingot
but having like 5-8 and you will have a lot of burn damage on bosses, not to mention the radius is huge
they do stack
novel osprey
gasoline stacks increase damage
dull ingot
the damage is still the same per every tick, but the time is longer
novel osprey
novel sorrel
It increases the duration but not the damage per tick
dull ingot
which means burn stacks the longer you can keep it running on your enemy
waxen girder
wait, ive been wrong for ever???
novel sorrel
So the total damage for the whole duration is increased
novel osprey
i mean technically but that still indicates more damage
waxen girder
oh, so I was right...
novel sorrel
But not the dps
dull ingot
you can have more than one instance of burn
and the longer the fight goes on the stronger the burn gets
waxen girder
I know, but with forgive me not, its really at most 8 stacks+ however many enemies you kill in that time
its really petty dps at that point
novel osprey
i mean i still dont think gasoline is a very good item regardless
novel osprey
i mean i think it's on the high mid-end of equips
waxen girder
if you look into it, its kinda trash unless you got those reds
novel sorrel
Its pretty great with just a few topaz but yeah its far from the best
dull ingot
well, try soulbound, gesture, forgive me
novel sorrel
Functionally 8 seconds of immortality with enough topaz
waxen girder
you can only have a max of 3 at a time, and you need at least a few brooches
and that is really specific
dull ingot
yea 2 topazes is a small investment for a second health bar
that alone is crazy strong
novel osprey
i dont actually think ive ever used forgive
waxen girder
I dont think 2 is enough, but maybe you dont got too much hp
dull ingot
and gasoline stacking is very effective on mithrix/ allow worphip unit
novel osprey
yknow i dont know if that's accurate
dull ingot
2
waxen girder
but Im pretty sure other things are more effective
novel osprey
granted i haven't ever tried it
waxen girder
numbers wise, its not looking too good
cause base damage scales really poorly
like, stupidly low
dull ingot
with soul, gesture, forgive me, 2 topazes guarentee 100% barriers
waxen girder
I know, but what character at what level
dull ingot
assuming its up to the mithrix fight, no looping
novel osprey
or you could just focus that on killing and get 100% barriers that way
waxen girder
topaz is a flat 15 hp
dull ingot
any, including the tankiest
waxen girder
I doubt thats the case though
waxen girder
plus, I think healing would have just been better
and you are talking about a combo that requires quite a few items that arent too common
novel sorrel
2 tends to be enough in fmp as you gotta remember you’re usually also killing enemies aswell
waxen girder
just saying, you might be overestimating
dull ingot
its not difficult to obtain, on a command game
novel sorrel
Especially if fmp has wisps or gasoline
but still its pretty solidly a b tier equip imo
dull ingot
and even on a non command game, the forgive me at least makes the on death items viable
waxen girder
"command"
I personally like how it helps with infusion and bandolier out more, but like, its really not that good
novel sorrel
in the cases where fmp is super super strong(daggers, wisp stacks etc) you tend to already be strong enough to not even need an equipment
When fmp can clear a whole stage, so can a normal attack
In my experience
dull ingot
interstellar desktop plant is also viable with forgive me
novel sorrel
Thats a pretty funny combo
novel osprey
i mean that's debatable
waxen girder
ghor's tome....
novel sorrel
But yeah i agree with bungus man. If we’re judging fmp when having daggers and such, it’d only be fair to compare to capacitor with bands and such
waxen girder
if you have a tome early game, its alright, and with fmp, it can be slightly more useful
dull ingot
well, forgive me please is a very niche tool I think, it can be the very best item, or completely useless
so its dependant on luck
I'd take it is I have enough gasoline or ondeath effects
novel osprey
i don't think it can come anywhere to the best
waxen girder
and it cant really be the very best item
novel sorrel
You you have immense dedication, a single ghor tome and fmp in the bazaar cane give you enough gold to get multiple free levels. Over the course of literal hours but no time passed in game
Big brain plays
novel osprey
i think it can be kinda good but i don't think it comes anywhere near the best
dull ingot
oh its the absolute best with the right three items
novel osprey
i just don't believe that
dull ingot
unquestionably magnitudes strong than any other item with soulbound and gesture
novel osprey
i think i'd rather have something like permatonic instead actually
dull ingot
alright, how about you try it at least once
waxen girder
but your talking about a red item that can appear out of 19 reds
dull ingot
try a command game to realise it full poential
dull ingot
why do you not like command games?
waxen girder
if the game gets too easy, its not very replayable
novel sorrel
I mean not only is that not fair to juding but fmp is actually bad in command. Why use fmp when you just need to take damage once for your razorwire to kill everything near you and for your wisps and daggers to clear the whole stage?
dull ingot
okay I can argue that perma tonic is also difficult to set up as well
novel osprey
okay but why would i want to use the forgive tactic if by stage 5 i can have the potential to just kill everything and use the onkills that way with a different, better equip
novel sorrel
Fmp is just unecessary in command runs
dull ingot
as it requires fuel cells reliably
waxen girder
I cant remember the last time I had an actual godrun
novel osprey
you can just get 4 gestures which is miles easier than getting fuel cells
waxen girder
cause the game gets so boring at that point
novel osprey
since the lunar pool is that much smaller than the entire green item pool
dull ingot
but can you reliably find 4 gestures?
waxen girder
its easier
novel osprey
it's easier
i can get 4 gestures in 5 stages much more reliably than trying to get 3 fuel cells in 5 stages
waxen girder
you get 5 tries out of 12 every stage, while you get somewhere like 3 greens a stage out of 23
novel osprey
if i'm going for permatonic my goal is 4 gestures rather than 3 fuel cells
if i come across a fuel cell printer or smth i'm gonna use it but it's not my goal
waxen girder
its basically triple the chances
dull ingot
this is assuming newt altar spawns on every level
and is reachable by the character you play
waxen girder
its not hard if your on a mobile character
novel sorrel
Its pretty likely it does but not guaranteed
dull ingot
in addition the game rolls reliably and gives you the 4 gestures
novel osprey
literally like 4 stages has a guaranteed newt
waxen girder
and you can stack fuel with gestures...
novel sorrel
Even for stages without guaranteed spawns, none of all the potential spawns spawning is really unlikely
novel osprey
the only stage i've ever had not have a newt spawn is distant roost
dull ingot
requires a high mobility character, thats a big problem
waxen girder
yep
novel osprey
i don't know who you play but i literally only play mobile characters
waxen girder
debatable
novel sorrel
wetland is the stage where i tend to never get newts
novel osprey
i like mobility
waxen girder
on the contrary, desert is the one I tend to not get newt
novel osprey
desert has a guaranteed newt tho
dull ingot
I play as any character, they are all fun
novel sorrel
No guaranteed and one potential spawn can be really hard to get to of the geyser doesnt spawn for ot
novel sorrel
Desert has a guaranteed you can get with no mobility
novel osprey
it takes less time with mobility but it's completely possible
waxen girder
I know the trick
but it takes too long, and i dont know how to get down
so I dont die
dull ingot
I still strongly suggest you retake a look with forgive me please, even with 2 fuel cells you can do some immensly strong things
novel sorrel
after some practise it only takes like 20 sec
dull ingot
which is less than the 3 required by tonic
waxen girder
well, even with 3, tonic is still viable
novel osprey
yeah but tonic gives me buffs that i think are worth the time it takes even if i can't get gestures fast enough
novel sorrel
You can get down the same way you got up for no fall damage or just jump down if you can avoid the fall damage somehow
waxen girder
you just cant switch
dull ingot
and forgive me makes the on death 3d printers viable
novel osprey
i'd argue that forgive is even harder to use than permatonic since i would need good onkill for it to be viable whereas tonic i just need the gestures and im set
dull ingot
now you don't always have to scrap them for the mithrix fight
novel osprey
and tonic gives me a better buff
waxen girder
tonic buffs regen, max health, damage, speed, attack speed, it really is like, way too good
dull ingot
agreed, very nice
waxen girder
its harder to die and you kill everything fast
dull ingot
but I think forgive me is still stronger as the game progresses
waxen girder
its the perfect equipment...
novel sorrel
Tonic is also one of the three ways to increase base damage
Which is always sought after
waxen girder
welp, we tried, whatever man
novel sorrel
Other two being glass and leveling
only ways to increase everything that scales of base damage
waxen girder
irradiant pearl, hello?
novel osprey
tonic literally gets better as you go since you get more items which do more damage cus of tonic
dull ingot
mmm thats too rare to spawn reliably
though I got luckily in one run having the second lunar item cleansed turn into one
novel osprey
i got irradiant pearl as my first lunar pool drop and then i never got it again lmao
but i also dont use lunar pools anymore
dull ingot
yea I've only every seen it once
novel osprey
i never understood the build of like getting lunar items just to throw them away
just makes no sense to me
dull ingot
well its viable with beads
waxen girder
unless your on the mission to obtain it, so you grab every trash lunar item possible
novel osprey
i'm a person who uses every lunar item regardless of how bad it is
i got like 14 corpsebloom as rex and i had a great time :)
waxen girder
I think lunar items are some of the best items as long as your strong af
novel sorrel
Ive pinged so many lunar pools and ibe yet to get an irradient pearl
waxen girder
the rich gets richer
dull ingot
I suggest you, if you are trying to get the irradiant pearl
waxen girder
just stack every lunar item you find and then lose it all
dull ingot
to run a sacrifice and enigma game
waxen girder
its not like they are actually detrimental whatsoever
novel osprey
i used artifacts when i unlocked them and that's it
dull ingot
use your equipment and turn them into lunar stuff and keep cleansing them
novel osprey
i unlocked them for the sake of unlocking them and i never play with them
novel osprey
ive used an aspect everytime i've gotten it
granted i've only gotten it twice and it was both the fire one when i had a bad equip
waxen girder
honestly, thats what I try to do
I have gotten all of them
some more than others ofc
novel osprey
i've only gotten the fire one since i don't play long enough to have like 300 clovers to get one every elite kill
waxen girder
your character looks cooler, without any significant buff to your character
which I consider to be significant enough to keep the aspects
my characters grow fucking horns
dull ingot
I've found all aspect except the celestial one
novel osprey
i had a run where i had fire aspect and like 18 molten perforators it was great
dull ingot
the malachite one is kindof scary cause you can't tell if they are your own spikes or the enemy
waxen girder
so im not actually immune to enemies
dull ingot
the spike are essentially landmines
novel osprey
i only know of the mushroom and dunestrider
waxen girder
scavs tend to have heals too, but its insignificant most of the time
novel osprey
but i didn't say dunestrider cus that's a boss and if you're far enough for a malachite drop you can prolly kill it fast anyway
dull ingot
very true
novel osprey
i don't think ive ever actually died to a scav
waxen girder
I dont think ive died to any scav other than a lunar one
tepid wolf
I mean cubes or preons can still end your run
I only got killed by scavs a few times overall though
novel osprey
i never died to the lunar scavs but i also haven't fought one since they got buffed
tepid wolf
Lunar scavs are scary now
novel sorrel
I never do loop 1 lunar scavs so i tend to just delete them whenever i get bored of a god run
waxen girder
I mean, I guess I was fortunate enough to never have encountered one of those famous dagger scavs
novel osprey
the only time i've ever looped more than like twice is when i was doing commando's 20 stage challenge and clover challenge
i get so bored after like 10 stages
waxen girder
I only looped for the aurellionite log book
novel osprey
i wanna get all the log books but its just so much effort that i just dont have
waxen girder
it used to be the only thing kept me playing
novel osprey
i just play if i feel like it
i've never really bothered with like 100%-ing a game just cus i dont have the motivation
i got all the challenges done and that's as much as i'm willing to actively work for since everything else is just mindless grinding turned up to 35
waxen girder
true
desert schooner
I never really thought about this but every time they add new white items they are nerfing flurry huntress because it's less of a chance to get crit
waxen girder
so is fungus
distant belfry
@waxen girder pov bungus gets nerfed
vestal raft
people arguing over which items are better than the other make me sad
of course some will be better than the othe depending on the context of the run but a lot of early game items serve to be invaluable
molten cradle
Yeah, Eclipse makes you learn fast that any item can be a useful item
pearl hedge
That's like saying "recession makes you learn that your shoelaces are actually quite tasty"
grizzled minnow
polyp and happiest mask is actually especially bad on eclipse because of 50% starting hp ¯_(ツ)_/¯
dull ingot
well its not so bad for minishroom ghosts
cause they go into regenerative mode
heal them with fungus 
and are tanky
grizzled minnow
yeah, it's the one exception, which is a really specific situation
dull ingot
its still useful on stage 5, which is where you will be shopping for loot
but yea ghosts are lame
on eclipse
errant mountain
Regarding the celestial aspect, you people do realize that it doesn't cloak the 'source' of it, right? So while it does make anything allied near you cloaked, it won't cloak you since youre the 'source'. Only instances you can get that invisibility is when another player has the celestial aspect or you are engineer and have turrets that have vulture and they become celestial that way.
vestal raft
yes..?who said otherwise
thorn spruce
WEEEEEEEEEEEEWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
brisk quiver
@tired axle How exactly did you do that squid polyp thing?
tired axle
i turned myself into a polyp right when the doppelgängers spawned
errant mountain
Given someone mentioned earlier that they didn't become invisible, I think some people may not have gotten the memo on that.
merry karma
cheat engine/mods/console
brisk quiver
That I get
brisk quiver
It's no problem
winter island
if you were able to give celestial aspect to an equipment drone, would that work?
ofc the drone would die really quick tho
upper briar
celestial circlet does not make allies actually invisible, it's only a visual change
they will still be targetted and attacked like normal
winter island
bro thats epic
raven lichen
Wait really
I assumed it was Stealthkit effect
Im pretty sure i remember meming about with a friend and they weren't being harassed but maybe im crazy
tired axle
yeah, they are definatly not targeting my beetle guards
upper briar
modded or unmodded?
upper briar
i remember specifically spectral circlet not giving the actual invis effect
might be my mind messing with me
raven lichen
It definitely doesnt to you
tired axle
the wiki also says it gives allies invis
tired axle
they are 2 different buffs tho, according to the wiki
well, but so are frenzy and team frenzy
vestal raft
ya
dull ingot
reduced to atoms
wicked condor
I would call that grounds for save editing tbh
bright elm
i didnt do anything like that
good that i have loader on this account i could unlock stuff fast
wicked condor
meant that as in restoring your save, my apologies if that came across as an accusation
bright elm
im gonna commit loady lady unlock speedrun
molten lagoon
severe chasm
@bright elm you can try unlocking things quickly with the console debugtoolkit by harb will let you access it
tulip saddle
both of those channels are missing on my discord does anyone know why
mellow tree
did you tap the hide button thingy
waxen girder
If my file got corrupt, I would file edit it back cause I have everything unlocked
dull ingot
Victory! Killed by the Planet
runic frost
Since certain items have a lower proc coefficient, does it make sense to keep more than the necessary sticky bombs or tri tips for those
runic frost
I play captain so I get more than usual anyways ig
tacit pelican
Funny thing about merc's blade, to maintain animation fluency it literally just STRETCHES and can look funny when you screenshot it
bright elm
not that funny
tacit pelican
funny enough
sudden urchin
foam sword
runic frost
Kinda interesting
bright elm
plastic charged gauntlet