why
#gd2-nullified
leaden crag
polar anvil
Waiting till someone adds a mod making beetles goombas
leaden crag
I don't like spear
cobalt turtle
Spear I prefer because
Acuracy, consistanty, better CC
dull elm
^
leaden crag
the freeze isn't that usefull and the bomb has significantly more aoe and more damage
cobalt turtle
tho bomb being a projectale 
is cool
haughty torrent
I got a lemurian event on stage 2 and got murdered by overcharged elder lemurians when I activated the teleporter. I was just a commando-
leaden crag
it's not that hard to be accurate with bomb
cobalt turtle
Ye but its easer with spear, especaly distant targets
drifting holly
only thing i fear are void reavers with this many tougher times
dull elm
both are good
leaden crag
4 guillotines make the execute useless I'm pretty sure
dull elm
you can't execute mitrix with guillotines
polar anvil
Execute and guillo don't stack
leaden crag
yea but arti has crazy damage anyway
she's one of the characters that needs the execute the least
dull elm
that reminds me of a run when I had 2x glass
cobalt turtle
the main bonus then I would say is crobar oneshots
dull elm
mitrix just died in a matter of seconds
leaden crag
I did a artifact of glass + 2 shaped glass as arti
cobalt turtle
ion has a habit of knocking things out of crowbar ranger early with its effect
Ice always procs how you expect it
leaden crag
so much damage
cobalt turtle
after the near oneshot though ion gets the bonus
Wonder what a fire m2 would be
or an ice m1
dull elm
ice m1 would be way too strong
polar anvil
ice m1 could just be slowing tho
quartz saffron
fire m2: 
leaden crag
it can slow instead of freeze
cobalt turtle
stacking slow into a freeze if you proc a bunch
dull elm
tbh fire utility might be interesting
cobalt turtle
also ngl
Visons feels like an alt arti m1
dull elm
purity arti is fun as well
cobalt turtle
it combos so nicely with her m2 + m1 +m2 + m1 rotation
as the m2 charge time is the same as m1 CD
purity + visons
drifting holly
should 342 tougher times be able to keep me alive for few hours?
plucky comet
will the sundered grove contain a legendary like other stage 4's?
drifting holly
im at 98.13% dodge chance
dull elm
good luck
cobalt turtle
Hope I get a band or a little disple from this
dull elm
for some reason you can't freeze greater wisps, that annoys me
cobalt turtle
or stun them
dull elm
I like to go to void fields right after stage 1, you get really good boost from that
leaden crag
is mithrix in there lol
vagrant for me would be pretty high
as most of the it's attacks are hard to dodge
quartz saffron
i'd rate worms high due to their annoyance lvl
vapid crane
For me, Colossus is the most annoying boss.
ah wait, yes worms > everything else when it comes to annoyance
the captain's orbital drop takes a bit of time to come down, and i most of the times end up missing those worms
plucky comet
malachite elder lemurians, horde of many™
vapid crane
btw, do horde of many drop any boss items ? i havent received any so far
plucky comet
i dont think so
if yes then its a random one, and knowing my luck it will be glands
vapid crane
are glands even good? i dont see any change in general gameplay if i pick up glands, apart from them stealing aggro and stuff
plucky comet
checked the wiki, they cant
vapid crane
they're useful in void fields imo but apart from that nope
plucky comet
they are useful as a bullet sponge, yes
but thats it
i just scrap them past stage 5
vapid crane
you ok
@magic iris hello
the boss 3d printers are pretty good if you've got a recycler
plucky comet
once did a meme run and ended up with 43 glands with swarms active
vapid crane
just change until you get shatterspleen
plucky comet
lagged the game so much
vapid crane
DAMN, 43 lmao
plucky comet
with swarms, so double the guards
vapid crane
wow damn, that must be epic
plucky comet
yeah
vapid crane
it would be cool if the beetles could inherit our items
vapid crane
Please help me find a boyfriend for me
@magic iris captain is true boyfriend material
plucky comet
then i realized the scrapper only takes 10 stacks of items at a time, not all of them
man i could scrap the extra glasses
vapid crane
is there any way to choose only 1 item in a stack ?
plucky comet
i dont think so
vapid crane
i have not yet modded my game at all, except the one that lets you view item stacks when you press tab
any good mods you'd recommend ?
plucky comet
rainstorm is a fun QOL mod
raincoat* sorry
scanner +1 makes all the question marks to be normal pings instead and types in chat how many of which interactables are left
useful for finding metal box from keys
since the ping has a diffrent color
vapid crane
that sounds pretty interesting, i will give this mod a go, thanks man
plucky comet
also download waterhazard2 please
ocean bronze
Yes, Hopoo mentioned that mod in the interview
plucky comet
its just plain fun
vapid crane
LOL thats hilarious
plucky comet
i also like multitudes
it makes the game think it has more players than it has, that means more loot from teleporter, harder enemies, and more chests
ocean bronze
<@&559786374228738069> Our friend "Abigail" here has been "looking for a boyfriend" in several chats for a while. Can we help her by leading her out of this server?
vapid crane
abigail, risk of rain 2 is a rougelike game, i think you're in the wrong server lmao
plucky comet
you should look also in the mods that add new characters, very fun
vapid crane
i saw goku and vegeta mods, they look super fleshed out
plucky comet
like bandit, sniper or enforcer from ror1
ocean bronze
And Sora from KH
plucky comet
they are also fleshed out
novel sorrel
@vapid crane the multitudes mod is pretty fun. You can scale to game to whoever many players you want with no direct limit. If you set it to 32, clearning stage 1 becomes one of the most challenging things in the game but you get rewarded with 32 teleporter items
vapid crane
btw, do you know that there's HAN-D in the game files? and hes pretty complete !
novel sorrel
Aswell as 32 legendaries on sirens call and 32 items every void cell and so on
ocean bronze
The model is completed but the rest isnt. It has been like that since first release
vapid crane
@vapid crane the multitudes mod is pretty fun. You can scale to game to whoever many players you want with no direct limit. If you set it to 32, clearning stage 1 becomes one of the most challenging things in the game but you get rewarded with 32 teleporter items
@novel sorrel i get a feeling the game gets super laggy after stage 4,5, my pc will burn itself to the ground lmao
plucky comet
if you set multitides to 32 you would need some starting items IMO
ocean bronze
Bandit in the files is way more finished
novel sorrel
multitudes 32 on monsoon with sac swarms is a really fun challenge for anything willing to try
Practically impossible without a wood shrine but really fun if you get one and slowly start building up items from enemy drops
plucky comet
also just dont activate shrines of mountain on that high multitude, youll get only boss items
no greens
novel sorrel
300 knurls is really funny though
plucky comet
glands*
novel sorrel
I picked up 120 glands in a multitude run and i only had like 15 beetle guards
ocean bronze
Thats because there is a minion cap of 32 or so
plucky comet
oh maybe because i had a mod that removed that
ocean bronze
oh, there is a mod for that?
novel sorrel
High multitudes monsoon is funny. Spawn next to 3 vagrants and a beetle queen but hit level 20 in like 10 seconds
Absolute chaos
novel sorrel
You cant kill the boss enemies right away but the enemies that you can kill give you huge amounts of xp which more than doubles your damage from levels
Highly recommend you run it with sacrifice cuz chest costs will be scaled to 32 players but your gold wont
Cuz it thinks its sharing the gold among 32 players
So you only get 1/32nd of the gold
plucky comet
rite thats why i dont get gold i needed
novel sorrel
With sacrifice thats not a problem though
plucky comet
i think there is a mod to fix that 🙂
novel sorrel
And swarms just lets you actually kill things twice as easy early while giving you more items in general
Stage 1 is increadibly hard but if you get a newt orb and do void fields its really easy after that
Cuz void fields will give you 128 whites, 128 greens, 32 reds and whatever dropped from the enemies you killed while charging the cells
plucky comet
engineer farming lets go
novel sorrel
Void fields suprisingly arent even that bad on high multitudes
You’d expect them to be hell but they feel pretty much normal
plucky comet
yeah i think because all monsters start at level one
and it only updates on stage 2
32 clovers : )
if you get 32 clovers you really need one stack of everything
novel sorrel
32 daggers is the true dream
Actually the best is finding a recycler and recycling all of the 32 red items
You pretty much get one of each red like that
plucky comet
mii printers are so rare though
i only seen 2 in my 100 hour game time
and one of them just threw reds of the edge
novel sorrel
All types of printers spawn way way more on higher multitudes. Saw a red printer practically every stage on my 32 multitudes run @plucky comet
plucky comet
rite
@magic iris you should try to find a boyfriend on #general or just leave the server
prefferably leave
tranquil ridgeBOT
Abigail#1229 was banned
dull ingot
bye
mossy garden
lmaooo
novel sorrel
Should’ve picked the atg
mossy garden
i havent seen that tehnique before
dull ingot
^^
pine iris
trickscoped
mossy garden
mods are getting dangerously creative
dull ingot
oh i have many ways to trick ppl XD
mossy garden
good mods
pine iris
give me a random enemy to kill Mithrix as
dull ingot
haha
pine iris
beebl has been done on monsoon
mossy garden
ty ill watch it later
novel sorrel
Admin tells me to name an item, i say ”headstompers”, i get banned because theres no item called headstompers, only ”H3AD-5T v2”
A greek tragedy
pine iris
I did a run as a blazing gunner drone once
mossy garden
did it work?
ocean bronze
Thank you TheBlackList. That was getting perturbating
polar anvil
yes
cobalt turtle
what was their answer to "name an item in RoR2?"
or did they just not say anything?
ocean bronze
Someone so to speak. More like a robot
cobalt turtle
I must know these things ree
ocean bronze
I dont know
novel sorrel
They just said ”yes” @cobalt turtle
cobalt turtle
pfff imao
pine iris
okay they were almost definitely a bot
forest fog
Was doing the trial of Kin and didn't realize why I was taking so much damage, realized it was my 25 fuckign Wisps
:(
night badge
Just play engineer bubble shield ez
odd saddle
someone has a lemurian sticker for whatsapp?
lucid valve
where did ghor go?
hollow cloak
@iron elbow https://youtu.be/GfQ6JoUvvRM
wind basin
Sometimes yeah
After a while sometimes theres like a lag with whats happeining to your screen and the host players screen and well Ive died from something invisible on my screen but it was a clear damage hit on host screen
Yeah i feel you ive played many many online games
RoR2 depends a lot on the hosts internet connection and thats pretty much very shit
Payday has servers i believe btw
Yeah that can happen too
Ive experienced shooting an enemy but not giving him damage and thats just wasted time on lag there
😂
plucky comet
@novel sorrel i tried 32 multitudes and got 954 titanic knurls stage one because for some reason shrines of mountain begun to spawn over the limit of 5
dense pumice
Wait is there normally a limit of 5 Mountain Shrines per stage? 🤔
tired axle
i don't think there is an actual limit, it's probably just the maximum a person got
it used to be 3 a couple months ago
or maybe 4, can't remeber
dense pumice
Yeah, I don't think it's a technical limit, just a practical limit for normal gameplay
dull ingot
Hi
tired axle
what's the maximum amount of interactibles that can spawn on a stage?
dense pumice
Depends on the map
I think with perfect luck, you could get up to 26 Shrines of the Mountain on Sky Meadow (Mountain Shrines cost 20 credits, Sky Meadow has 520) in singleplayer
And I don't think there's anything in the code preventing that, aside from Shrines of the Mountain being much rarer than chests and other stuff
tired axle
i see
twin juniper
With mods can you still play multiplayer together in ror2?
tired axle
yes, but the other person also needs the mod
twin juniper
K thank you
narrow gate
has the allow worship unit been teleporting around for anyone else?
also im bad at fighting imp overlord as merc
proud plume
Stay behind him, don't immediately use equipment when he spawns because he always teleports immediately
narrow gate
his hitbox keeps hitting me when im behind him tho
it seems if i use my m1 or m2 on him ever i lose over half my hp
and if i accidently dash into a dagger needle thing i die
warm coyote
@dense pumice @tired axle there is indeed a max limit to how many mountain shrines you can get in a stage
because every given stage has a set amount of 'credits' to spawn interactables, and shrines of the mountain cost interactable credits to spawn
im sure theres more to the spawning system than that as well
but, just assuming the first part, the max limit would be however many shrines it takes to use up all of the credits on the stage with the most of them
nevermind
it looks like one of you said that and i didnt read it
epic style 🐔🐓🐔🐓🐔
raven lichen
Which stages are the most likely to spawn them? Ill just fire up a high player scaling run since 2-4 are common so getting more on a stage like sky meadows shouldn't be unreasonable.
mossy garden
8 shrines? baby mode
raven lichen
If i always hit 8 mountains max we know thats confirmed
dense pumice
Sky Meadows should probably spawn the most of them based on the most credits being there
raven lichen
Ive never ever seen more then 5 in a normal game no matter how many players, but ive gotten a ton in high scaling so its just a matter of counting
dense pumice
Other stages might be slightly more thanks to having some other interactables banned from spawning, but that's effort to figure out :"D
raven lichen
Not worth it haha
dense pumice
So a high multitudes Sacrifice run?
raven lichen
Actually thats probably smarter. With that you could even do 150. Id just do normal play first or like 50-100 if you can handle it, then change multitudes before hitting the tele to sky meadows. 150 is absolutely brutal to play but spawns so much stuff, so with chests banned your gonna get scanners and gold shrines like crazy haha
Is there a limit on gold shrines? I feel like ive seen 2 before but only once so i might be crazy
dense pumice
I've definitely seen 2 Gold Shrines spawn on the same stage
warm coyote
i would say the max of 8 has something to do with card weighting
raven lichen
It may be a hard limit id just doubt it
raven lichen
What red would you trade for dios tho fr
mossy garden
Dio's is trying its best ok dont just throw it in the trash
having one stack is always good
raven lichen
Frost relic deals 600% to enemies that charge you
Dios does nothing at all :(
If you die, you might not have with the tempo from another red is all im sayin
silver plover
Frost Relic is at least useful for melee characters
mild brook
do i look like a melee character
raven lichen
Its not useless on ranged either, jumping past enemies or damaging nearby melee enemies, as well as using it as burst on enemies you arent afraid of. Tbh it does a ton of damage, 2 atgs per tick
silver plover
...that sounds incorrect
raven lichen
600%
silver plover
they scale off of different things, though.
AtG's damage scales off of the damage that the proccing attack dealt
Relic's damage scales off of base damage
in reality, AtG tends to do a lot more damage per hit
raven lichen
Fair, I guess picking something else to compare is better. 3 tesla coil arcs?
silver plover
ye
raven lichen
It does affect everything inside too, so you can get the numbers pretty big on groups. Helps erase low health enemies like beetles or lesser wisps. I honestly have a newfound respect since the first buff.
Its not amazing, id still prefer tesla. But id always take frost over dios, any tempo is better then no tempo imo
warm coyote
i think it's 2 atgs per second
and its still not correct actually
600% base is different from 600% total
raven lichen
Ye 3 tesla arcs is more accurate.
warm coyote
since most attacks do more than 100% base damage, an atg can do many times more than base damage on average
raven lichen
Or 2 wisps
warm coyote
anyways
raven lichen
Also do most do more then 100%? I guess that would make sense but there are a lot of smaller attacks. Now i want to compile a list haha
warm coyote
everyone says dios are bad because if you die youre already losing
but that sort of ignores the times where death was a total fluke
which is more often than not imo 😅
raven lichen
I would say that makes dios not great, what makes dios bad is that if it didn't exist youd be getting a better red instead. Dios is always better then no dios, but every other red is better then dios
raven lichen
Like flukes are less likely to hapoen if you are more ahead, and most reds set you much more ahead
Mask draws aggro and deals a decent chunk of damage, which is likely to lower your chances of flukes by a lot
silver plover
death being a total fluke is an edge case, and it's pretty disappointing to get an item that covers an edge case
warm coyote
in a good run you always have a chance to die by a total fluke no matter how good you are
raven lichen
Interesting, I guess that makes sense. I suppose id still prefer passive damage and enemies that can occasionally debuff or stun other enemies over a one time mistake fix thats slowing me down exponentially
warm coyote
at some point its better to have a dio than your 5th meathook
raven lichen
Aegis though, or even desk plant
silver plover
i mean sure, but that's in the context of runs that are going for a while.
warm coyote
i mean yeah
silver plover
if im on stage 4 abyssal and grind my heart out for the legendary chest and get dio's im gonna be sad
warm coyote
shorter runs also have the chance to die by fluke though
mild brook
honestly frost relics damage doesn't feel as high
mild grotto
Just play Captain 👌 😂
mild brook
it just tickles enemies
raven lichen
Always, because you spend a ton of time hoping for a tempo boost and get a do nothing item, even after you revive you have no value, so your just as likely if not more to get killed again
mild brook
it's free extra damage when going melee but otherwise just worthless
warm coyote
its something that is worth having going into stage 20, but obviously stage 4 its gonna be a disappointment
im not saying it isnt
mild brook
ye
warm coyote
but its better than people give credit for
mild brook
i mean sure, but that's in the context of runs that are going for a while.
so not when going eclipse
and i like eclipse
raven lichen
Thats fair. Thats why id say every other red is better. Id be fine with it being removed. It isn't bad to have, but everything else is better.
Now, dios would be stronger if it recharged. You could even make it ridiculous like 5 stages to fill up, but then it would offer safety and value over time. Still super slow, but way less bad
mild brook
i wouldn't say dios is bad
warm coyote
its definitely not bad
mild brook
it's a disappointment sometimes yeah
silver plover
@mild brook I don't have any experience with eclipse so I'm not sure I could say it's good or bad in that mode
warm coyote
just extremely good for a specific scenario and nothing else
mild brook
but it saved my ass uncountable times
raven lichen
Id rather have a green in most situations because at least the item is doing something actively to make me scale harder, because if i outscale the clock i have way less risk of dying, as opposed to a one off insurance that leaves me just as likely to die again
mild grotto
Something I thought about with Risk of Rain 2 compared to Enter the Gungeon or maybe even Risk of Rain is that if you have a Dio's in 2, you get doinked, it comes back, you get doinked right after. You have much more longevity in EtG and the 1st game so the revive has much more value
mild brook
@mild brook I don't have any experience with eclipse so I'm not sure I could say it's good or bad in that mode
@silver plover i'm saying that because on eclipse you can't obliterate and looping when going Mithrix isn't a clever decision, so eclipse runs normally don't go past 40-50 mins
silver plover
right, i know
raven lichen
Its like choosing exponential growth that continually decreases the chances of dying, or leave the chances high but having one reset while falling behind
mild grotto
I think the "uhhhh it bad because it no work until die" is somewhat right, but missing the overall issue here
warm coyote
😐
mild brook
and the issue is
mild grotto
Though ngl I get disappointed when I get Clone in EtG
warm coyote
it sort of ignores the fact that the majority of your items are not reds and those items are typically worth more than having a single red
raven lichen
No work until die doesnt make it bad though... Its a good effect. The problem is that everything else is much better, so an eh effect becomes bad because its consuming the slot of something better.
Which isn't terrible in a roguelike. But id wager on average runs would be stronger if it wasnt in the pool
Its like lepton daisy. I dont think lepton daisy is a good item.
Its better then not having it, but every other green is much better
waxen girder
lepton is pretty good, but it only helps those who are weak
warm coyote
i think you just like to complain...
waxen girder
which kinda hurts good builds
mild grotto
I personally think the problem is how easy it is to die right after. Get revived in Enter the Gungeon? That's a minimum six more hits you get to take. Get revived in RoR 2? Cool, you can get one tapped by Overloading Clabong twice!
warm coyote
dios gives you a few seconds of full incinvibility though
waxen girder
3 seconds
mild brook
lepton is pretty good, but it only helps those who are weak
@waxen girder lepton is just scrapper food
mild grotto
And?
raven lichen
Yea if it didn't it would be actually terrible haha.
waxen girder
I know, the bear is better for good builds than bad builds
there are snowball items and there are those that helps bad builds
warm coyote
mhm
waxen girder
its a lot of items in nature, some are just better if you are doing good already
warm coyote
i would argue the opportunity to recover can be more valuable than having another red at most points in the game
raven lichen
Even on a good build though, just add a tesla or aegis or dagger to lower general risk by slaying enemies before they can become a real threat.
mild grotto
I mean, it's sorta a snowball game by design right
If you fall behind, it's gonna be much harder to pick the pace back up
waxen girder
but by a certain point, another life will be way more valuable than anything else
warm coyote
Yeah, having any other red can be more exciting because it is actively helpful, but again
waxen girder
the safety
raven lichen
If your build is slow enough that you need dios to not die, your behind the clock and the tempo is huge to get you outscaling again
warm coyote
all of my other items combined tend to be more powerful than any given red item, so its not a huge loss
silver plover
depending on how you get it it could be a huge loss
mild brook
so my unfortunately placed 3d printer caused an argument about dios being a bad item
warm coyote
yeah
silver plover
if you ground out a few thousand gold for the legendary chest then you did just lose that much cash and time
waxen girder
no, but more of at late stage of the game, its still quite easy to die to something like a void reaver
its why people dont intentionally go for the red chest on stage 4
warm coyote
theres always gonna be people who whine about a dios when they see one just for the sake of it... even if the dios isnt their's!
mild grotto
AWU bleeds to death in a minute so it's less of a disappointment in Siren's Call ngl
warm coyote
🤣
raven lichen
Ive never died to a void reaver. Or a scav. By the time your that late you should be strong enough to kill them before they are a real threat
mild grotto
Do... do people die to Void Reaver basic attacks?
warm coyote
not really
waxen girder
there are clips of where when you accidentally launch yourself into the sky cause of movement speed and head stomper and then gets tped into a void reaver attack
mild grotto
As opposed to something else doinking them while cuffed or getting eaten by the death explosion?
waxen girder
it does happen, when you get knocked back into one of them
and then there are instances of malachite
mild grotto
I think that's missing the point of "kill them before they're a threat"
silver plover
i dont even know how dangerous void reavers are supposed to be because i dont think ive ever been hit by their normal attacks
mild grotto
Does it even deal damage?
waxen girder
and you can always die in one hit
raven lichen
I think launching yourself and getting auto teled while a void reaver was already dying to perfectly kill you is such a massive edge case it isn't even worth considering hahaha. Id never take a red item to counter that situation
waxen girder
no matter how late in the run you are
well, its more of, I already have 10 reds, might as well get an insurance policy
warm coyote
id say dios is indisputably an item meant for longer runs
raven lichen
Even at that point, take a stronger red and make it so you can literally just safely walk through the stages. Youll never even get launched
warm coyote
mhm
waxen girder
no, not really, if you are powerful, you can kill things without that red
warm coyote
charlie ignores literally everything ive been saying for this whole conversation
waxen girder
and have dios just as a backup
raven lichen
Right but killing more consistently is more likely to lower the chances of death then dios is
warm coyote
something something
in a good run you always have a chance to die by a total fluke no matter how good you are
at some point its better to have a dio than your 5th meathook
raven lichen
Thats just not entirely true though haha. Its partly personal preference, but its still a weaker choice
warm coyote
oh but it is
waxen girder
for example, if I was a rex with a god build, even on stage 5, Id rather have a dios since I can still kill things
and Id much rather not throw my run
warm coyote
thats the nature of ror2, its easy for some random stray attack to hit you and kill you, specifically in longer runs
waxen girder
the times I have had god builds but die in the first 6 stages
its so easy to throw a god run
warm coyote
yeah
raven lichen
Rex on 5, take tesla or aegis or daggers and dont have to worry about dying, then use that tempo to speed loot the next few stages and get even more reds while staying ahead of the clock
I think its just a fundamentally different playstyle... Like I can't remember the last time I lost a run to a random one shot, it just doesn't happen anymore
waxen girder
its not that I really need the red to boost my power level
raven lichen
You just outscale so hard you dont need insurance.
warm coyote
its not a different playstyle though
waxen girder
plus, how do you know you arent gonna get a relic if dios is removed
its hind sight
raven lichen
Relic is stronger then dios
warm coyote
tesla or aegis or daggers dont make up every red in the game
most red you will find will not get you a power trip like this
raven lichen
Every red in the game offers greater tempo then dios does, because it offers no tempo
warm coyote
dios offers continued tempo
raven lichen
👀
warm coyote
if you die, you die, thats it
no matter how well your run was going
there is always a chance for you to die from something
dios cover that
theres no other way to put it
waxen girder
its like oh, you are born in a rich family, with 180 iq, and good looks, but you died at age of 15
mild grotto
People die when they are killed
waxen girder
all those wasted potential
raven lichen
I don't lose good runs, because I end up with a lot of items and so comfortably ahead of the clock that death isnt really a concern. Continually getting items is what keeps you scaling ahead of enemies.
warm coyote
do you play on rainstorm too?
waxen girder
um...its hard to say the same on monsoon, most of the time at least
raven lichen
You could argue that you dont need another red to stay strong, but at that point you dont need dios then either, because apparently you are already super ahead
warm coyote
because thats total bs for monsoon stuff
mild grotto
You can only scale so hard
waxen girder
unless teddy printer ofc
warm coyote
no less eclipse or even diluvian/syzygy
raven lichen
I only play monsoon.
warm coyote
😂
mild grotto
At some point everything just blows up and there's a very real chance that while you're AFKing the tele something comes out of absolute nowhere and one taps you
waxen girder
I mean, most monsoon runs, you still die in one hit
warm coyote
yeah right dude
raven lichen
The only time its even a concern is multiplayer because the scaling is split
waxen girder
anytime in the run
warm coyote
charlie how many times do i have to say it
no matter how good you are there will always be an opportunity for something to kill you
waxen girder
charlie is an engineer/acrid main
its explained I guess, but dios would still be so useful on engie
mild grotto
Not true, Dio's is actually good on Engi
gleaming iron
raven lichen
Listen im sorry that you somehow get one shot, but it just doesn't happen on consistent runs. You just get every item on every stage and blow the scaling out of the water. Early on tempo is better then insurance, and later on insurance is unnecessary and tempo keeos you ahead
warm coyote
in shorter runs it matters less
waxen girder
also, i would like to know how would one conquer engie eclipse 8
i am on 7 and very discouraged to move further
warm coyote
in long runs if youre already ahead then additional tempo from a red is way less necessary
i dont think you realize how slowly enemies scale
raven lichen
The less you need tempo, the less you need insurance.
warm coyote
oh my god dude do i have to say it again
raven lichen
If you kill everything before it spawns, nothing can touch you.
warm coyote
mild grotto
raven lichen
Im not sure tou understand hahaha
warm coyote
youre a real silly man arent you
waxen girder
again, dios is a c tier item, why are we arguing how bad it is when we know how bad it is
raven lichen
Not to mention this started from a meme about printing a second dios with no reds at 29 minutes 👀
waxen girder
its one of the worst red to have
mild grotto
Quick, post an item tier list to start a real argument
warm coyote
its not about how bad it is, its about how useful it can or cannot be
im saying dios are more useful than most people give credit for
and charlie's like "no im a pro gamer i never die xddd"
raven lichen
This is literally my point hahaha
Every red is better then not having it. Every item is better then not having it. But some items are so much worse that they would always be better rerolled, and things like lepton or dios are those
Also I do die, but if i die dios would have absolutely not been the play lmao. Thats the point
warm coyote
lepton is a niche item
its certainly helpful
its like saying healing is only useful for people who are bad at the game
raven lichen
Every other green offers more value. Lepton is better then no lepton, but every other green is better then lepton
warm coyote
its just so awfully pessimistic
like oh boo hoo you got an item
are you going to use it or complain about it? 🤔
raven lichen
Nah its more a 'why would you choose it'
warm coyote
you dont
raven lichen
If i roll it im picking it uo because its better then nothing. Im not complaining it exists. Im just not printing anything into it
warm coyote
the game doesnt offer absolute choice most of the time
unless you play with command, in which case, it is indeed that easy to win every single run
even on monsoon
raven lichen
Same with dios. If i roll it im picking it up, im just always sad because id prefer anything else, and if i have recycler they never get taken
waxen girder
in a lot of cases, a syringe can be worse than a medkit
just saying, its all relative
warm coyote
ya
raven lichen
Correct, but lepton is slower in most if not all situations compared to other greens
waxen girder
as an engie player, survival is most of the time prioritized over damage
raven lichen
Like most other greens either fill the niche better, or lower the chance the niche is relevant
Even whip, whip would let you loot stages quicker which puts you more ahead then a single burst of healing that may or may not be opportune
mild grotto
At least we can agree Daisy is poo poo
raven lichen
Id agree most of the time with that
waxen girder
no white can heal your hp for 50%
mild grotto
waxen girder
especially when its during a boss fight
where you will prob need it the most
but hey, if your rich, it doesnt matter
you would roll the fight anyway
mild grotto
Me rerolling Overloading Worm into Beetle Queen
waxen girder
wait, thats not possible???
warm coyote
you can say most items are more consistent at healing the player than a lepton daisy is, or you can admit that lepton daisy is extremely powerful healing during the most dangerous parts of the game in which your sources of healing are most likely to not be enough, especially in earlygame
i just dont understand your point. "there exists some items which are worse than other good items"? so fucking what?
raven lichen
👀
warm coyote
that is honestly a fact of balance
mild grotto
See it is that, but it's fat heal at practically random interval at which you may or may not even benefit from it at all
warm coyote
it doesnt help anyone to repeat it over and over because we all know it
it helps people (and is generally much more engaging anyways) to discuss the actual use of a given item rather than complaining about facts of balance
come on man
raven lichen
I think the point has been missed haha
warm coyote
i can agree on that, stuffy
but its saved me on multiple occasions to a point where i dont think its a terrible item
pearl hedge
I'd rather lepton was a heal-on-demand during the tp event
warm coyote
i just wish it were easier to tell when its about to fire
like the teleporter could start glowing green 10% before lepton daisy fires or something
pearl hedge
also aren't they spaced equally?
warm coyote
yeah
pearl hedge
So one would fire at 50, two at 33 and 66, etc?
warm coyote
yes
pearl hedge
Then I'm not sure what you need the indication for
warm coyote
because keeping your eye on the teleporter charge in the middle of combat is near pointless
pearl hedge
Eeeeh I'd argue that lategame it's easier to look at the objectives to see your % than to try and figure out where the hell the teleporter is and what color is it
warm coyote
its easy to forget about and easy to miss
i mean, the teleporter zone itself doesnt have to glow
just make something bright and flashy thatll indicate when its about to fire ahead of time
could be a screen filter for all i care
certainly not an intense one though
but, the point is, the more ways to tell when its about to happen, the easier it is to utilize it
like im not saying to remove the teleporter charge %, so if something like this indicator is used, you will have both
so youre more likely to be able to prepare for it even when you miss one of the telegraphs
also not to mention that
Eeeeh I'd argue that lategame...
lepton daisy is much much less useful in lategame anyways
since the TTK crashes and you generally have all kinds of healing that will do you better
lucid birch
Acrid this patch is kinda pathetic and amazing at the same time
granite shard
How do you utilise lepton daisy? Either you’re low health or you’re not, unless you want to camp outside the zone until something hits you
It’s a heal that sometimes heals a lot and usually heals nothing, you can’t strategically use it like foreign fruit 🤷🏻♀️ I don’t think an indicator would really help it
candid vigil
How do i keep getting killed by the planet
granite shard
@candid vigil fall damage, explosive pots, monsters that killed you after death usually
candid vigil
How do they kill you after death?
granite shard
Fire a projectile, die, projectile hits. Damage over time through burn. glacial explosions. Malachite spike
candid vigil
Hmmmmm strange well thanks I thought the game was bugging out and obliterating me
warm coyote
i mean, you could "utilize" it by getting more aggressive when its about to fire, or knowing you dont need to run for safety when youre about to get a big boy heal
candid vigil
And i unlocked all of the characters for console
granite shard
You’ll usually get killed for a reason but the game struggles to tell you what it is sometimes :I if you have a capture tool you can posthumously record 1min footage and see what it is if you wanna know though. Windows has this built-in with gamebar and Xbox does too iirc
candid vigil
Rex is my new main
granite shard
@warm coyote I guess but it’s probably gonna be better to just not take the risk of being more aggressive/continuing to run until it actually goes off cause two hits in this game is fatal a lot of the time. I see what you mean but the item’s unreliability won’t get fixed by adding another indicator imo
warm coyote
lepton daisy is more of an earlygame item
as i said, in lategame TTK drops so much that it doesnt really matter, and you are likely to have so much healing that it arbitrates lepton daisy as well
candid vigil
Any tips on how to use rex
warm coyote
your m2 cancels the animation for your m1
so you can fire a burst of m1, m2, then another m1 will come out right away
candid vigil
Does that make my attack speed faster
warm coyote
and with the cooldown of your m2, you can get 2 bursts of m1 out between m2s
yes, its a lot faster
just make sure the 3rd syringe is out before you m2 cancel
candid vigil
Thanks
warm coyote
yeh
and with your boop
it takes a moment to fire
and the speed boost it gives is also dependent on how fast you were moving when it fires
so you can actually get a fairly significant speed boost by firing shift before you jump, then time your jump so that it goes right before the boop fires
thats something prismatic trials speedrunners used to do before loader... existed
proud plume
Once you get a handful of defensive and healing items (think meat, seed, brooch) suddenly the HP cost for Rex's abilities is negligible
TIL about that jump strat. Started playing rex today 😄
warm coyote
"suddenly" as if it wasnt already negligible in the first place 🤷
summer minnow
Why is there a red X option for artifacts? Does it just not let them be enabled or something
raven lichen
It means vote against
red echo
raven lichen
In multi lobbies you can say i do not desire the glass artifact, and if a friend votes for it, they cancel out and it stays off
Negative votes of course leave it off, so its redundant in singleplayer
lunar cedar
ok... alloy worship unit log is being a bitch to get
got 80 clovers and still didnt drop
lunar cedar
i only have AWU and the Wisp Chimera left.
i got mithrix on 3% believe it or not, no clover
fierce epoch
epic
errant yew
god run in the making
fierce epoch
D I O
fierce epoch
also who dat char
lunar cedar
on meadows I did get 3 Solus logs
raven lichen
Oh actually its 81, but thats still 91.7%
lunar cedar
99% chance to hit :d. it misssed :d 91% isn't that far out
raven lichen
To be honest its not far off atg on a few chars by default. Even sticky bomb is 5% to land with one stack, but still feels bad haha
lunar cedar
yea
raven lichen
You should almost always get it on the second try.
lunar cedar
im trying for 100 clovers now
raven lichen
100 pushes it to 95.3%, the clovers start only adding like 0.1% per
radiant sparrow
i've had the opposite experience of RNG
an Into the Breach run with an 83% chance to fail on the very last turn
and i won
lunar cedar
:0 good job mate
lunar cedar
100 clovers bois
wish me luck.
Bro where's the log
100 clovers. Where's the log. ALLOY WORSHIP UNIT PLEASE
101 Clovers didn't cut it
mild grotto
So I tried out MinerUnearthed finally... and holy SHIT he is SO FUN I am ASHAMED I did not play modded sooner
warm coyote
play ArtificerExtended
mild grotto
Maybe I will, actually
mild grotto
Think Miner's a bit overtuned... he's got like Loader levels of mobility and damage, but goddamn is he fun
wispy void
ngl the Alloy Worship Unit Log was one of the first logs i got for bosses I'd say the first month i had the game
i didnt know it was difficult as you were saying
lunar cedar
3% chance to spawn with no clovers. also mithrix log became a reality for me as well after some time
blazing robin
so... 3 red item on stage 1
compact musk
is acrid a croco or a dog
errant yew
found a picture of my sleep paralysis demon
warm coyote
acrid is acrid
dull ingot
try the 1 health 1 shot sniper mult build xd
ceremonial dagger is a must have as well
those, crowbars and rockets
nothing else
doing 1 mil damage just 30 minutes in
dense steeple
Does anyone here also play RoR1?
dense pumice
I'd assume so yes. I still play RoR1 from time to time
dense steeple
Have you ever experienced that in multiplayer you and your friend go to different stages?
dense pumice
Hm, can't say I have. Then again, I mostly played solo.
pine iris
<@&559786374228738069> hey ya mind boppin this guy, they're posting in every channel
marble sage
yup
forest crag
!ban @reef rain spam
I can't find user @reef rain.
forest crag
gr
marble sage
ha!
lament yew
ha
pine iris
bopped
lament yew
are you guys good
pine iris
lament yew
cuz im new
pine iris
I'd say I'm decent at the game
pine iris
I would offer to do some runs with you, but I have to leave soon
pine iris
what character do you like the most?
lament yew
the graple guy but thats just because Im bad at aiming and hunter does not have good dps
pine iris
ah, makes sense
with Loader, try to grab damage items like crowbars or focus crystals, as well as some dr
lament yew
dr?
pine iris
damage reduction
lament yew
oh
pine iris
like rose buckler
lament yew
what is a good character besides loader
lament yew
acrid is okay
I have all the characters besides captain because I play on ps4 but I have only played as acrid loader hunter and the default
pine iris
try all the characters! you never know who you might like
pine iris
except for some of the youtube comments
pine iris
no
but basically, they mock some of the ror2 players on youtube for not playing on monsoon
mild grotto
YouTube comments are always a shitshow though, can't really be surprised there unfortunately
pine iris
yeah
safe hare
Grinding beetles on stage 1 in a maao run just to get vultures on the next stage is pain
zinc kernel
I say just start on rainstorm until you're comfortable to move onto monsoon
winged briar
i'd say do your first three or so runs on drizzle then bump it up to rainstorm tbh but that's a subjective thing
glad laurel
Ur first couple of runs are like “what is a 3d printer” and “what does enemy x do “
small blaze
where to discuss non existant survivor kits? i'd figure theory crafting but that's a no according to description
polar anvil
Nowhere here
polar anvil
That's not mods problem tho
small blaze
not that kind of mod
survivor mods
im getting told i should send this kind of stuff to the mod of the survivor i have a suggestion for
but i don't use mods :/
it's fking annoying
you could have a great idea that the devs never hear
what do they look at mods?
tired axle
have the devs even said which survivors they'll add?
small blaze
we don't know cause loader didn't really have a mod right?
polar anvil
@tired axle nopd
tired axle
doesn't really make much sense to suggest things then
small blaze
thought people said bandit was next
polar anvil
Oh right they want to finish him
small blaze
well you want to suggest before they get added right?
tidal tartan
He would be if the poll swayed that way
small blaze
next content update we are getting a survivor
question is... what
if bandit is almost done they could just do him
gritty arrow
it has to be bandit
small blaze
so if i want to put a suggestion for enforcer i have to wait for him to get added and see if my suggestion becomes obsolete?
well it's 2. i just put the first one up
tidal tartan
make your own enforcer mod
small blaze
no
tidal tartan
Well then tough luck
small blaze
ass
rotund fjord
are trainers allowed here even for single players
tidal tartan
thicc
gritty arrow
what do you mean by trainers?
rotund fjord
like cheat engines but for a specific game
tidal tartan
Program with godmode toggles and stuff
polar anvil
There's a mod for that
tired axle
i'm pretty sure those things are allowed
gritty arrow
someone was using cheat engine so i think it should be fine
polar anvil
"someone" rude I'm that someone
rotund fjord
im mainly playing on console but i want to test something out on pc
gritty arrow
XD
tidal tartan
Just dont let mr hopoo catch you
gritty arrow
well at least i have the specific person
tidal tartan
Or he's gonna send you to time jail
old ledge
No it's a game you need to buy
on steam
im surprised none of the videos told you tht
glass lance
i'm talking about ps4
old ledge
yep, you've probably gotta use whatever online store the ps4 has
yep, playstation store
lunar verge
Last I checked it was only $10 on there
stuck pasture
Maybe if it was on discount at the time
Otherwise, price is the same as on any other store, really
low burrow
mul-t is ass change my mind
dawn hatch
I am honestly surprised at how good the BanditReloaded mod is. Character has a distinct playstyle, very good animations, doesn't feel either OP or UP and feels like there is a high skill ceiling with the Lights Out! proc.
IMNHO
tired axle
i'm pretty sure the animation is from the basegame
dawn hatch
Yeah, no doubt the modders saved up a lot of work from the assets Hopoo left in the game.
tired axle
but deffinatly have to agree, the mod is really well made
real laurel
what mod do i need to save my game
patent pumice
BanditReloaded took the almost finished bandit and fixed em up
Balanced, edited, and reworked skills and also added alt skills
low burrow
Where do you even get the mods from
raven lichen
low burrow
And how do you use them
raven lichen
If you install the mod manager, you can just download mods through that and it should be really easy
dull ingot
we need HAN-D reloaded
nimble locust
fyi bandit + purity is really fun
dull ingot
bandit with deathmark and the malachite aspect
try it out
legit the coolest fuckin thing I've ever seen (in risk of rain 2)
dull ingot
who is the the entity speaking to us through the difficulty
split pond
I’d like to think its hopoo himself
pine iris
for dilluvian I'd think it's like, n'kuhana or something
@dull ingot also, it'd be something like HAN-D Recharged, as Reloaded was a bandit thing
tidal wagon
it was han-d rebooted
blazing ibex
What’s the best way to get the 20 hermit crabs to fall off cliff
languid yarrow
dull ingot
nah
turbid nymph
With Gravity @blazing ibex
safe hare
The clay templar horde of many on stage 3 only has one clay templar
dawn hatch
16:51] CHASE-2200: What’s the best way to get the 20 hermit crabs to fall off cliff
I think artefact of Dissonance, or Prismatic Trials where they show up or just second loop Titanic Plains.
Also a lot of patience.
junior pumice
I forgot how broken engineer is...
https://i.imgur.com/tVQXz35.png
tacit pelican
bro sick run
also idk if i'd call him broken per se, cause like, artifact of command and swarms and sacrifice but apart from that like yeah man, good run
waxen girder
engineer was the best character, until he got nerfed basically every update
since every new item means less fungus and dios
and the new items are not really good on engineer either
now, engineer can get fucked over by stage 5, and he needs a lot of healing and stuff
waxen girder
well, I can tell you
regen nerf, for everyone, but specifically for his turrets
the damage nerf
the proc change
warm coyote
a year ago?????
warm coyote
i see
waxen girder
every other survivor has gotten significant buffs
warm coyote
so youre saying nerf loader
waxen girder
but him, if you dont count his inferior mobile turrets
well, powerful characters are fine
its just that engineer has been neglected
every other survivors has gotten buffs
but engineer
warm coyote
no loader definitely needs a nerf
waxen girder
commando, huntress, rex, multi, arguable for merc
warm coyote
a good one
waxen girder
well, woolie had an interview with the devs
warm coyote
i dont care
waxen girder
they said powerful characters are more fun
they know loader is op, but its also more fun for the players
warm coyote
bad design excuse
waxen girder
its not pvp, no players get harmed
warm coyote
game gets easier because of power creep
waxen girder
its literally their purpose, to have op characters so its fun
they could easily change the cooldown of her fist
warm coyote
fun doesnt just mean op
waxen girder
but they chose not to cause its fun
warm coyote
fun means nuance and depth too
waxen girder
have you watched the interview?
waxen girder
well, the success of the game says otherwise
warm coyote
appeal to authority
waxen girder
wat
warm coyote
loader didnt make the game a success, gearbox did
lilac spoke
safe crane
m8 bungus is for chumps.
bungus is for chumpus
dull ingot
imagine using mobile turrets, real gamers use stationary turrets with no bungus
dapper shore
has anyone done the prismatic trials today? I am trying to do merc, but cant get through it
waxen girder
lets just say, every update says in secret, reduces bungus drop rate
mellow mango
I'm struggling with it too @dapper shore Not a very fun one haha
fallow depot
Depends on the trial. Some are easier
dapper shore
Best active item? I usually try to get coin gun
wanton wolf
hey, sorry to interrupt, but would anyone like to do a monsoon run with me? i might have to leave abruptly, so super sorry if that happens.
mellow mango
coin gun is good for speedrunning, but kinda bad for normal gameplay haha
some strong options are missile launcher, perma-uptime spinel tonic, gorags opus for multiplayer/engi
and woodsprite is good too
wanton wolf
yeah the woodspite is good.
its honestly just good in general, in my opinion.
but seriously though, does anyone wanna do a monsoon run with me? sorry if it seems like im pestering.
waxen girder
you can go to the lfg chat
I think plenty of people there would love to do a monsoon with you
graceful thistle
I saw that interview, they were mostly earnest about it
I agree that nerfing the defining aspects of loader would make her less fun, which is inexcusable, but they could still cut her base movement speed so that moving fast with her has a skill floor
dapper shore
12:00 AM] Yvoi: im on stage 16/20 for a challenge and i cant find the teleporter again
[12:00 AM] Yvoi: on the "First" stage
Haha, I have found it!
red fog
hot take right here: One shot protection is overrated so in mid to late game 1 shaped glass is ok, but any more are not recommended
vast umbra
One shot protection only matters in like... loop runs
If you're in eclipse, it's basically wholly irrelevant
I guess Mithrix triangles is the one move I can think that OSP actually ... does something against, because there's no lead in tick of damage. Or tick damage after you lose OSP
His hammer, it has tick damage after
So you take a one shot and the geyser it makes just finishes you in that .1 windoww
red fog
that too, I was more thinking about it being useless in loop runs, got to stage ~30 with rex and 1 shaped glass, often on monsoon after I died I was more often than not thinking "where was my OSP" it often seems like when enemies kill you they do it in multiple shots that circumvent OSP so I believe with enough healing and barrier its possible to heal yourself while killing the enemy faster thanks to shaped glass, the only thing that run didn't survive was a Scavenger with Ceremonial Daggers
tired axle
that run probably was before they blacklisted cdaggers
dull ingot
that's like 6 months ago
(if they're playing on pc)
well, i just wanted to point it out 
limpid veldt
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sly sandal
Question, if you have 10 fuelcells + gesture on Jade elephant, wouldn't that be an A or S tier combo? You basically have permanent Jade effect and 500 armor is huge
tired axle
yeah, it's extremly good
sly sandal
Combined with 10 or 20 or so tougher times I can imagine this is bloody bonkers
tired axle
it would also combo pretty well with repulsion armor, since that reduction is applied after actual armor
sly sandal
Oh I didnt even think that
tired axle
you could also add hellfire tincture and razor wire if you're playing mul-t for the ultimate tank build
sly sandal
Thats actually one of my fav combos
Helfire is said to be mediocre but honestly in my experience it's really good especially on characters like rex
Maybe it doesn't scale well later on but up to stage 10 at least it melted the bosses near instantly
tired axle
it's a bit difficult to scale since the damage is based of your max hp
i can also see it working well with rex since you'd then only need one more item to proc deathmark
sly sandal
Wait, is it a debuff?
Oh my god then just a chronobauble should make this really easy
sly sandal
Normally I hate deathmark cause on most other characters its really tough to make it proc unless you really plan out what to do
But on rex and acrid its much easier cause they get it by nature
And I really like rex lol
tired axle
it's also kinda easy on engi, with the walking turrets
tired axle
they slow on hit
sly sandal
Damn
tired axle
same for huntress arrow rain
sly sandal
No fungus doe 😔
tired axle
you could also use it well with artificer
sly sandal
She does have a burn and a freeze
tired axle
freeze sadly isn't a debuff
sly sandal
aw
tired axle
it's a state, like stun
sly sandal
Well honestly, flamethrower is my least favourite ability of hers, cause it requires me to get up and close
I wanna get the unlock cause it looks really good
sly sandal
Its like a jetpack or something that propels you up right
Is it consistent? I dont often get to have purity or anything so I need an alien head if i wanna spam that
sly sandal
Iunno
When I play arti its for the freeze to murder the bosses and to nuke everything lol
tired axle
yeah, i'm just saying that deathmark could also work well on arti
but rex is definatly a better fit, since he gets 2 debuffs in his kit
sly sandal
I can imagine but its probably dependant on playstyle, and thats not mine haha
I used to really play captain a lot but when I found that I cant orbital strike on a moment whoel or on void fields... yea return to rex lol
tired axle
yeah, it's a pretty bad nerf
sly sandal
what im thinking is REX could literally tank anything with harvester scythes, the permanent jade elephant effect and teddy bears
a 1000 hit becomes like 80 damage suddenly
tired axle
yeah
sly sandal
actually i can imagine this be really good on merc as well given crit and harvesters
limber plover
any survivor with permanent uptime on jade becomes extremely tanky
pine iris
especially Loader, who has an insane amount of armor to start with comparted to other survivors
random laurel
the downside of perma jade is having to hear the really loud noise it makes every 5 seconds
dull elm
I shouldn't have scrapped it
but.. I realized too late that it would be quite good with 2 clovers
junior pumice
Wait how is mask good?
It rarely procs and when it does, it's most likely on a wisp or something with bad AI that gets smacked immediately.
dull elm
ngl mitrix got raped hard
junior pumice
Oh wow could barely tell you were artificer.
opal crow
does the scan drone spawn on the very first stage? I just need the Titanic Plains log and i was wondering if the drone only appears after the loop in the first stages.
junior pumice
It has a chance to spawn on each stage, but it's expensive.
dull elm
play with sacrifice for higher chance
opal crow
how so?
pearl hedge
drones and chests share the same spawn credit pool
sacrifice removes chests, leaving more chances for drones to spawn
pearl hedge
Not just drones, any other category really
If you really wanna go hard at it, might as well enable command to get rid of printers and scrappers
junior pumice
I do love me some swarms sacrifice, so I don't play with chests often.
opal crow
Wow, that's actually pretty good mechanic. Thanks. Will try my luck.
pearl hedge
also great way to get a bunch of mountain shrines
opal crow
yeah, i was trying with swarm and command, but i guess sacrifice will help too
junior pumice
Yeah, I had like 4 mountain shrines spawn on stage 4 at one point.
opal crow
swarm for the money
junior pumice
It doesn't, but it gives more money and enemies.
opal crow
in case a drone spawned
pearl hedge
Hm, I thought swarm halves the money you get per kill
junior pumice
Wait, yeah, no you're right.
opal crow
even tho, the number of enemies increase very fast, even in the early stages you got more money per time i guess
junior pumice
That works.
opal crow
and i was doing merc for mobility. More enemies, more anchor points to keep moving
junior pumice
Man, since 1.0, I fell off merc hard.
opal crow
i didn't have the chance to play old merc
junior pumice
Oh man, old merc was the best
opal crow
so i can't tell, but something about his gameplay really got me. More active than other characters
pine iris
I disliked old merc
opal crow
by the time i got the 10 lunar coins, 1.0 was released already.
junior pumice
Old merc had the regen, he had the constant M1 spam, he was great.
10 lunar coins was for artificer.
opal crow
was it?
junior pumice
You get merc by sacrificing.
opal crow
yeah, sacrificing. my bad. I was new to the game, couldn't reach obelisk for nothing.
junior pumice
I gotcha.
I started playing a while back
I think I was playing before Siren's call
opal crow
i got a few runs with some friends just before the 1.0. Huntress, for my noobness, was the obvious character.