that truly hell itself
#gd2-nullified
carmine tree
ivory depot
later on the base drop chance of the items isnt enough to make up for literally two of everything
novel sorrel
It definetly is
ivory depot
ill keep my rose buckler and tritip, thank you.
no you get more items earlygame but than later on literally nothing is changed
carmine tree
i just got a question
novel sorrel
The two of everything isnt really a problem since they have healf health. Get a couple of wisps of ukuleles and swarms is way easier than normal
carmine tree
does the clover make the drop rate?
ivory depot
no thats not the point, they can deal double the damage.
double mithrix is not worth a couple more items early on
novel sorrel
That doesnt really matter when you proc chain them instantly
Double mithrix means you get your items back twice as fast too
ivory depot
uh
no
you dont get it back twice as fast
novel sorrel
If you hit both you do. Loader can get like 10 items back from double mithrix before they even start attacking
Just hitting both of them
ivory depot
...its based on damage, not times hit
novel sorrel
Its based on both
carmine tree
@novel sorrel even after the lastest patch?
novel sorrel
And hitting both of them is in fact double the damage of hitting one of them anyway
cerulean spire
i mean
that might be valid if that attack wasnt negated by a floor beneath you
aka, just go stand on a pillar / ramp
ivory depot
ive... tried that. you can still get hit.
....end meeeeeeee i just gave my preon to an equipment drone
brisk quiver
Hey, if you get a preon that's double the preons
ivory depot
yeah but i mean
im playing sacrifice with the worst luck known to man
wait theres hope
oh and did i mention my stage 4 legendary was soulbound catalyst
brisk quiver
Take this picture of squid polyps
brisk quiver
I mean you could try to farm for an equipment on the moon
ivory depot
no
i want to suffer
brisk quiver
What for?
ivory depot
its more impressive if i actually suceed
ivory depot
...do i try for soup island?
carmine tree
you mean blue portal?
ivory depot
yeah no moon man time baby
hidden anchor
Is surfer compatible w starstorm and would u recommend it if it is?
ivory depot
no, soup island.
ivory depot
ill probably get to phase 2 or 3, thats my guess.
carmine tree
you got 2 bleed dager that's nice
brisk quiver
You can try stacking bleed on him
ivory depot
stacking bleed is basically my only dps tbh
but he can easily get rid of it when he does the hyperjump thing
brisk quiver
Doesn't he do it every quarter of his HP?
carmine tree
oh that is how he does?
brisk quiver
Not sure
tired axle
i think it's just rng when he does it
carmine tree
I thought he has some skill cool time mechanic
carmine tree
imagine when he got purity 🤔
brisk quiver
Imagine with alien heads
carmine tree
well... gg
tired axle
I'm gonna try getting alien head with mithrix now
ivory depot
huh
tired axle
sadly can't use command tho
carmine tree
lol
tired axle
you can't interact with the command essence since you're to big
ivory depot
f
tired axle
so, i just got a wisp event
as a boss with zero anti air
this is fun
proof that elite elder lemurians are the strongest enemy in the game
or that i'm bad
mithrix vs mithrix
apperently when mithrix enters phase 3 i do too
interesting
tidal reef
Tell me what happens when you hit stage four
neon dagger
He probably meant 4. The second "phase" of the fight isn't really a phase, it's just adds.
tired axle
i died before i could get to stage 4
guess i'll try again
for some reason i can't activate teleporters anymore
i really don't know why though
i restartet multiple times now
guess i'll have to try this again with a friend, so that they can activate the tele for me
frail zealot
using mods?
dull ingot
is r2modman safe to use?
tired axle
using mods?
@frail zealot i used cheat engine
slow sail
If I use mods, will that disable my achievs? For example, I want those extra stats and realPause in multiplayer but I also need to unlock some skins and skills... will it work?
stiff widget
LIFE IS PAIN
I HATE
also yes, engineer probably would've been better for fungus n' afk, but I was too deep in by the time I realized lmao
tired axle
you can try getting a lunar equip
stiff widget
Oh no, I already got it, had enigma and sacrifice on
It just took me like 50 tries which is insane
tired axle
oh
slow sail
oh nice, now I can see my stats and pause :DDDD
crystal bone
I think it's pretty cool. you can get all the unlocks while degrading the integrity of the game
oh, try the badass engi mod
it adds emotes, pretty fun
radiant ingot
well you can cheese the new third boss phase real hard with just royal capacitor
crystal bone
is there a way to add more character slots to the selection screen?
final shadow
Why do you need to do that?
ivory depot
probably has a few too many character mods
jade moat
iirc there's a mod that make it possible to scroll through character selection slots, since you're probably already using a mod
bright palm
I have a new opinion on the scrap launcher
you should definitely equip two of them
ivory depot
ha, funny joke.
bright palm
its actually pretty fun since you don't have to worry about the cool down but you do have to press your R key a lot
ivory depot
its probably a bit more fun but still isnt that viable imo
besides double saw is fun as hell
bright palm
you're probably right on the viability
its about as viable as double rebar switching (where you hold down m1 and your R key to rapid fire)
ivory depot
yeah sounds about right
tired juniper
ivory depot
yeah thats basically overloading brass contraptions in a nutshell
no wait just contraptions all together
they strip your osp and than something else kills you
dull ingot
@ivory depot nice cheated lunar coins
ivory depot
yeah its great
dull ingot
its gotta suck to be bad
dull ingot
if u have the need to cheat coins its because youre bad
ivory depot
no im just very very lazy
dull ingot
any decent player finishes runs frequently, getting way more lunars than u could use
ivory depot
yeah i just never obliterate anymore tbh
besides i do runs like this there isnt that much hope for my finishing
and yes i died.
i mainly dont use the lunar coins that often unless i try a stupid run like this
tired axle
i finally got the pearl
ivory depot
noice
mortal lance
what kind of spot is this for the teleporter??????
ivory depot
the best spot
mortal lance
Its literally placed between a rock and a hard place lksjdklfjsd
bright palm
Thats why I hate scorched acres
dull roost
A valid one
ivory depot
yeah scorched is inferior to rallypoint in basically every way
dull roost
You need bad levels for good levels to exist
tired axle
rally dosn't have cleansing pools
ivory depot
basically
yeah thats the only good thing about it
severe chasm
I guess some characters do really struggle with it
dull roost
I need a small help people, i keep dying to the teleported boss in Stage 5. The stage music is so good i spend around 16+mins listening to it twice. XD
tired axle
guess this is gonna be interesting
bright palm
turn the music off and listen to it looped on youtube
ivory depot
there is no help for you
dull roost
F
tired axle
so...
ivory depot
bleed
dull roost
Be careful and you can win
tired axle
i'll try
ivory depot
if only you had honor on
severe chasm
Greens and reds are useless though
dull roost
he has it on i think
severe chasm
Go check out soup island
dull roost
Also go to the island
severe chasm
You only need 7 bleed
bright palm
at leas you have a lot of printer food
dull roost
but.. bleed
dull roost
Watch soup island have red whip XD
ivory depot
from the high spot? i thought itd be a bit too far for a no mobile man
ivory depot
neat, good to know.
severe chasm
Also MULT CALM DOWN MY GUY
https://media.giphy.com/media/IeQuyugbFbAJjLf16u/giphy.gif
Each bounce of his cluster grenade procs behemoth
Look at that
ivory depot
but i mean youll want mobility for escape phase so youll probably have some by the time you get to moon
on a normal run
severe chasm
You don't need any to make it in time but you have to not stop at all
You have to GO
ivory depot
oh neat. i wasnt 100% sure about that since i was 30 seconds off in one run as captain where i only had 1 quail
i guess im just slow
severe chasm
You need to optimize movement really well. It's just barely makeable
ivory depot
well good to know
...id rather just have mobility but still good to know
severe chasm
Well yeah lmao
If I had a choice between fast boi and slow boi I would pick fast boi
ivory depot
yeah
severe chasm
Doesn't do that much damage but still fun af
https://media.giphy.com/media/TKWtowDktVTXFWVPeu/giphy.gif
Now to do more testing with commando grenade
Look at all the explosions lmao
ivory depot
have you seen saw behemoth tho?
ivory depot
i did a saw only run on mult preartifacts and got a behemoth, its great lel
tired axle
you should also add the blue elite equipment
ivory depot
oh god
severe chasm
I will test out that when I make a video on it or talk about MULT in general
God the survivor videos are going to be like 1 hour each lmao
ivory depot
WAIT AND STICKY BOMBS
severe chasm
LMAO
Might be good for a simulated 6MM run or something
Just try out double saw mult on Mithrix
ivory depot
so youll need 20 bombs (100% chance), blue elite, behemoth
severe chasm
Lmao
I will record that today lol
And a crowdfunder
Funder with behemoth is mad silly
robust pine
Shit myself
tired axle
i think i have a chance
dull ingot
easy difficulty kekw
tired axle
i only did it to unlock irradiant pearl
severe chasm
Yo lets go @tired axle!
Definitely should have grabbed ATGs last so you get them back first
Also @dull ingot gamer is having fun. Doesn't matter what difficulty they are on
bleak egret
You didn't believe in the heart of the procs
severe chasm
Oh you are dead lmao
tired axle
yeah
tired axle
dodging two mithrix is pretty difficult
bleak egret
-1000 hp kek
severe chasm
Havent tried it but sounds hard lol
tired axle
i mainly did the run for irradiant pearl anyway
bleak egret
Also your build is wrong, those daggers should have been BuNgUs
tired axle
i used a shrine of order
tired axle
rng didn't want me to have bungus
tired axle
yeah
severe chasm
Poor Beetle Queen
https://media.giphy.com/media/jQDuUudiLxesXfBG84/giphy.gif
bleak egret
But at least you only have to fight mithrix, imagine the final boss being tharson
severe chasm
Behemoth saw is really fun
tired axle
i just googled tharson and have no idea what i'm looking at
severe chasm
Grenades can shred with it too
https://media.giphy.com/media/IyxF8og8J7kGEgUWaO/giphy.gif
bleak egret
Tharson is in the logbooks
severe chasm
Time for mando nades
bleak egret
Beetle gaurd logbook to be specific
severe chasm
Hey lets not
Man Grenade 
is nuts
https://media.giphy.com/media/JQGsTpUbUS54fgAlyz/giphy.gif
That wasn't even the ending explosion
That was ALL
orchid apex
what is this. its the only thing i havent unlocked and i cant find it after scouring the wiki
severe chasm
Alloy Worship Unit
orchid apex
ahhh
severe chasm
Oh I thought you meant the highlighted one
orchid apex
nah i meant the one with the lock
tired axle
yeah, that's mithrix
orchid apex
damn well that sucks. gues its boss grinding time
i hate the lock icon with a passion
tired axle
it's honestly not that bad
severe chasm
Look how strong this is lmao
https://media.giphy.com/media/Sru9m6mGRzQC39Etl1/giphy.gif
tired axle
each phase has the chance to drop it
severe chasm
Yeah and if you have clover it rerolls the chance
tired axle
you should also use swarms
orchid apex
oh yeah for double the bosses.
severe chasm
Anyone have any questions about they want me to test?
bleak egret
does it make phase round actually good
severe chasm
I'm mostly just testing how strong it is with certain abilities but I am open to test anything
raven lichen
ive heard that behemoth increases the healing on rex M1 because it increases the damage, but ive never confirmed
severe chasm
I can check how good it is with round. The 300% damage might actually make a difference
orchid apex
anything that hits multiple times it scales well with
severe chasm
I will test that as well Charlie
raven lichen
Id be curious if it does that, or if it pushes something over 400% if it will allow bands to activate
since apparently crits dont 😦
tired axle
i think it just hits double
severe chasm
It is still insane that this is a thing
https://giphy.com/gifs/risk-of-rain-2-JQGsTpUbUS54fgAlyz
tired axle
doesn't increase the damage of the hit
orchid apex
what is happening
severe chasm
Yeah crits dont make things under 400% proc bands
https://giphy.com/gifs/risk-of-rain-2-SUFXkEFfcqhMRUJCsV
Each bounce procs
This shows it off really well
https://giphy.com/gifs/risk-of-rain-2-KamwSaQfaybfDBRq8v
I love this item lmao
Might be favorite red
bleak egret
do the bounces on engis nades proc to?
orchid apex
oh every impact explodes XD thats hilarious
severe chasm
Good idea @bleak egret will test that now
severe chasm
People want nades to explode on impact lmao
OOOOOOHHHH good idea @tired axle I will test that after engi primary
tired axle
if something walks into the fire trail of the red elite item, will they explode?
are what about the crystals from the green one?
tired axle
thank you
severe chasm
This video is looking to be longer than 
lmao
tired axle
and does the ice explosion trigger behemoth?
severe chasm
This item is just so sick
https://media.giphy.com/media/WoXQ1xqHR0bYdYtCEY/giphy.gif
LMAO would be funny
Also the crunch is mad satisfying
tired axle
what about microbots when they shoot something down
severe chasm
Going to test nade with lightning aspect now
tired axle
you should also test fuel array
severe chasm
The fuel array explosion? That doesn't sound helpful with it would be funny
Also OH MY GOD
https://media.giphy.com/media/kaT8zlR41brFO78Z58/giphy.gif
But does each one of THOSE proc behemoth????
severe chasm
No sadly : (
Might as well make a gif of it though just so if someone asks I can link it
raven lichen
I... I think the Blight spreadsheet is done
im cleaning things up now. idk how to even use it now that its finished aha
severe chasm
Oh heck yeah Charlie!
Yall want nades to explode on impact?
https://media.giphy.com/media/l1UpuOu8947QgrAUnS/giphy.gif
lmao
raven lichen
alright hope fully I didnt screw up something major since im now sharing my data live haha
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j0q9cUtSx_aEKkLg1BPpiHgOiVD3mySE9wd72uTo_H0/edit?usp=sharing
Good luck all ye who enter beyond this point
Use as you will, I dont care personally. I just like capturing and sharing data. Ill change something if its wrong, but hopefully my paranoia of making mistakes has left it pretty air tight haha
severe chasm
Nice!
raven lichen
It's about what I expect, though the higher scaling does hurt blight earlier then before
red echo
@buoyant gazelle items are pretty much the same as everyone else but 1-2 backup mags and focus crystals are gud, slicing winds is ultimately up to preference but I recommend it, it's roughly ~250% of the DPS of running evis
the caveat is you can not let yourself get hit for free while running SW or you will get dicked
buoyant gazelle
Ok thanks
red echo
FeelsEclipseMan
safe hare
could having a lot of armor plates make you immortal?
like if you did a command run and put everything into plates, would it scale good?
tender raft
Considering how quickly monsters can scale, especially on 
I'd say no
ivory depot
theoretically, yes.
in practice, it wouldnt be possible in the slightest in a real run without cheating
neon dagger
You're really good at farming lunar coins.
red echo
seems legit
ivory depot
dangit if only i had aoe
junior vale
Can someone tell me of double rebar mult is a glitch and if the devs have said anything about it?
ivory depot
intentional mechanics, (maybe) unintentional results. the devs havent mentioned it to my knowledge
neon dagger
Rebar change was very intentional, so unless you're talking about some specific bug I'm not aware of, it's going to stay. Probably.
junior vale
So since rebar comes out instantly you can switch really fast from one rebar to another
Some people on reddit did say that it was not interested to be like that and that devs will fix it
But idk if that's true
It is very busted
ivory depot
it feels unintentional because you turn the slow-charge sniper into... a minigun sniper.
neon dagger
That was the entire reason for the rebar change, yes. You can further see their decision in the buff to retool time.
Maybe not double rebar, but you're clearly meant to shoot and retool
ivory depot
that makes me think of an interesting combo: rebar and scrap launcher, fire a clip of scrap, retool, rebar, retool, repeat.
can teleporters just agree to not spawn in this cave thank you
fossil tide
you can just go outside of the cave to fight tho
ivory depot
no im stubborn
harsh garden
just thought to share, highest combined hp ive had
ivory depot
what the heck is your build
harsh garden
383 personal shield gens, 154 infusions for the max hp
ivory depot
command?
harsh garden
then aegis with foreign fruit, gesture and 53 fuel cells to permanently keep it maxed
yeah ofc
ivory depot
yeah
harsh garden
i didnt expect it was possible to go above 999k but wanted to try
ivory depot
sure you can ascend but can you ASCEND
crystal bone
the mod that makes running in the 90's play whenever you zoom...it's perfect
it's so fun when you hold W for 2s and you end up out of bounds
crystal bone
rn i'm hording dios for those reaver bastards
ivory depot
if you ascend (not ASCEND) theyll never touch you
dang it was one stage later not two
vital quarry
Fucking how???!!
ivory depot
well now im completely dead
vital quarry
Bruuhhhhh
ivory depot
i dashed into a vagrant to get the autoaim on it and it died as it did a supernova taking me down with it
maybe i should stop trying to play as huntress
ivory depot
my lack of aoe leads to huge hordes so i can never damage what i want to damage without ballista
soooooo
COMMANDO TIME
no frick acrid
ivory depot
no
vital quarry
Ok what about mutli?
ivory depot
even more so no
vital quarry
Artificer?
ivory depot
dear lord this power how is this this strong i feel like im using tonic
arti is literally my least favorite
you probably just listed my 3 least favorite characters
ivory depot
hes ok, never been a huge fan.
vital quarry
Captain?
ivory depot
hes quite fun, ive enjoyed him a lot. hes one of my favorites.
vital quarry
I play on console so i have to wait until he comes out
vital quarry
What about rex?
ivory depot
hes fun, not one of my favorites. i really need to play him more often tbh
ivory depot
its 0.1 seconds, not 3 frames.
...unless you are playing at 30 fps.
steady tangle
The whole reason OSP refused to kick in here is because I didn't take all that damage in 1 frame. It was a ton one frame and then again 3 frames later
so the game is expecting me to have...
42 millisecond reaction time
ivory depot
wait how did you know it was 3 frames
steady tangle
i stepped through the recording
ivory depot
besides osp is meant to prevent one shots
steady tangle
it looks like one shot if it happens in the time it takes for a packet to go across the united states
it happened faster than I can ping github.com from my computer
red echo
I mean
The actual instance of damage was fast but why were you running face first into an overloading worm
You could see the lad well before you took damage
steady tangle
ive run into them before and it never seemed to do 500 damage without knockback
ivory depot
"without knockback" you literally fly away in that gif after you get hit
ivory depot
yeah sounds about right
ok so like is the universe conspiring to stop me from doing eclipse because i can do runs like this
but not runs like this
red echo
ror2 is taking action against you for cheating lunar coins /s
ivory depot
I will stack glass and fracture all of reality with my strength is they dare try to stop me again
crystal bone
ivory depot
i dont see the issue
ivory depot
did you just dump it all into a bazaar cauldron
crystal bone
printer
ivory depot
sounds about right
ivory depot
you can see a tiny bit of leg in the bottom left... i think.
ivory depot
it will not end
he will get one heal and than become immortal
universe WHY
i literally never get radars in monsoon runs
also
wait
uh
alright
wisp just casually ignoring the laws of physics
aight i forgive you universe
crystal bone
spark narwhal
mithrix is easy though.
untold yarrow
rain quartz
ivory depot
crystal bone
ivory depot
what that looks normal why are you sending such a mundane screenshot
so i messed up and got hit by a shockwave
i ran away in panic
than i got rnged into a second shockwave
fun times
bright palm
Ror2 but everything has the brainstalks buff active at all times
odd coyote
i have a question to the eclipse mode...why the fudging hell wasnt there a portal to the blilisk on stage 8
bright palm
Oh, thats because you have yo beat mithrix
spark narwhal
you have to beat mithrix in eclipse to beat the mode
bright palm
Celestial portals don't spawn in eclipse
spark narwhal
Celestial portals are for babies.
bright palm
You also cant activate the artifact portal
odd coyote
Really...heck i mean i got so fucking good items to kick the boss ass dam
steep acorn
safe hare
so uh
i made the mistake of fighting mithrix on stage 20
forgot that he stole your items
which doesn't matter on stage 7
but on stage 20 where your health is up 10x, damage up infinityx etc its bad
patent marsh
rancid forum
worldly perch
oof, died to a brass construct AFTER i killed it
worldly perch
this thing doesn't appear to be listed on the wiki under lunar items
vernal pulsar
Does anyone know where I can find the in game models online.
I am looking for a model of the Captain and figured someone here knows where to look.
limpid briar
@worldly perch, try lunar equipment.
worldly perch
geez, void fields are hard
broken ginkgo
Until it’s 
you are fine
worldly perch
never even seen that item
ayy now they have a 42% chance to block my attacks, guess i'm dodging
modern monolith
idk man goat hoof + focus crystal + runald's band jellyfish are scary
limpid briar
How about death?
modern monolith
huh I didn't even know those monsters could spawn in void fields
and monsters will deal 250% bonus dmg
urban walrus
Y'know what my least favorite red item for monsters in the Void Fields is?
as that item integrates, watch as everything refuses to stay dead!
green topaz
What about tesla coil?
urban walrus
I don't think I've gotten that one yet, so I can't speak to how dangerous it is.
green topaz
you have no idea
broken ginkgo
How dangerous is?
- Yes
green topaz
^
urban walrus
tbf, with a god run/good 
build the monsters having ceases to become a problem because you should easily be able to put them down when they get back up
broken ginkgo
You have 10 seconds to kill everything around you before you’ll be zapped to death
Even tho, it can hit you through walls
green topaz
I remember last time i did void the enemies had death mark, shattering justice, chronobauble, bleed, and runalds band
I still dont know how i survived
final shadow
That would explain it
somber delta
are clay templars just a mobility/terrain check or is there a way to actually beat them consistently
green topaz
Get in melee range
broken ginkgo
Circle them
Running away from them is the same as running away from titans laser
You’ll only make them easier time focusing on you
limpid briar
@broken ginkgo, you wanted a crowbar scenario?
This is the absolute best that the monsters in Champion's Ring can get. Although, not the most difficult monsters.
somber delta
do you need to circle them from up close
because if youre too far away i think the stream of bullets tags you anyway
broken ginkgo
Oh 
now became a green? Fair tho
green topaz
Circling them will help avoid the bullets
Being in melee range just makes them stop shooting
broken ginkgo
Well, not rly they will use their “airblast” and again will try to spin their gun
somber delta
i guess its just finding the sweet spot between their air-blast and being able to dodge by circling without being tagged
broken ginkgo
So circling is the best option
Or just play commando/saw mul-t with 
But stun-grenade is a very strong item in general
worldly perch
ugh, purple area has so many brass constructs
leaden crag
I FINALLY DID IT
woeful karma
Wait, when did dagger become green? Did I miss an update?
robust tangle
you playing modded? dagger is not green
woeful karma
Nevermind, didn't really the anti-armor rounds were red, yeah that has to be a mod (from Crescendo's screenshot)
worldly perch
ayy
crystal bone
I just...
died
on stage 87-89 (wasn't paying attention to the numbers but it was around there)
was trying to hit stage 100 and then attempt mithrix
welp, there go my last like, 4h
I ran out of dios
i'm blaming my glass stack
worldly perch
rip
blissful ingot
finite swallow
beetle queen ghost summoning beetles
winged briar
kings
worldly perch
the squad
crystal bone
mask stack?
steady tangle
maybe
also holyshit im blind
plz turn down brightness
https://gfycat.com/dentalnextanura
vapid crane
Does Mithrax drop lore?
vapid crane
Oh I see, thanks!
wild trout
my game just crashed on a mecenary god run ;-;
steady tangle
my computer just crashed on that captain run I just showed
though it may have been because of the way i was saving my run
tired axle
beat mithrix as mithrix
lime palm
am i doing good with achievements? only achievements left are acrid's , mul-t's , rex's , loader's and artificer's
radiant ingot
is it just me or does the war horn just sound so satisfying
cobalt turtle
It does untill it is going off every 8 seconds via 
arctic terrace
did they fix the stuck bug in ships graveyard
dull ingot
someone who got the whole logbook completed?
radiant flare
tired axle
I'm only missing aurelionite
placid turret
pogchamp, i had 2 ceremonial daggers and another red, I don't remember which one in a run with a friend in the first 2 stages
ivory depot
...are you sure about that game
pearl hedge
idk mate it's kind of high up
ivory depot
is it
pearl hedge
We have been bamboozled
ivory depot
indeed
tired axle
i'm starting to really like the new equipment drone with enigma
elfin panther
can i do loadout chalenges with em things that change the game?
the ones you unlock in that other plain of exsistance
elfin panther
is it diffrent with loadout achivments?
elfin panther
ty
ivory depot
im an idiot im an idiot im an idiot im an idioooot
so i died and was sad because the run was pretty decent, i alt tabbed away bc, yknow, i was dead
...but i had a dios.
and than i actually lost the run
end meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
end me now
tired axle
welp
tired axle
this is gonna be interesting
ivory depot
and you get an army...
tired axle
let's see what soup island has to offer
ivory depot
i should do an order shrine run....
give me a character
tired axle
huntress
ivory depot
aight
tired axle
ivory depot
the horde
pearl hedge
I wonder how annoying those bugs would be on phase 4
ivory depot
wait
phase 4? you probably couldnt even hurt him
the microbots would destroy everything
tired axle
i'll do it
ivory depot
recreate the same hell i once had
ivory depot
dear lord
tired axle
it stopped when i got royal capacitor
tired axle
this is gonna be something
ivory depot
well at least you get a break from the hell it will become
ivory depot
yeah
it kind of sucks that they made it so it wont work unless it has a target
mainly for enigma, it just sucks
tired axle
i accidently hit a chimera
tired axle
this was quick
i sadly don't have osp anymore
still have one live tho
guess i'll just run away
ivory depot
yeah i dont think youll be making it
tired axle
made it through phase 1
ivory depot
f
tired axle
you could try farming for it
ivory depot
awu? fine. aurelionite? fine. MITHRIX? I GOT IT ON THE FIRST FIGHT
BUT NOT FRICKIN SOLUS
tired axle
lmao
ivory depot
dangit
granite shard
did you ping it to see if it's irradiant
ivory depot
not yet, one sec after i beat awu i will
carmine tree
@ivory depot I almost spent a week to find that pool...
ivory depot
two things:
- not irradiant, thank god
- explosive bow yey
ohhhh
should i
yeah frick it all to crit
aight 85% crit chance stage 4
carmine tree
high crit chance and flurry 👍
ivory depot
yeah exactly
bright palm
@ivory depot I'm 90% certain I've killed more alloy worship units than I have solus units
granite shard
you say frick it all as if that wasnt the correct choice with three fireworks and 2 keys
bright palm
Solus units just never spawn
ivory depot
i honestly dont know tbh
granite shard
you don't see them on stage 4 or 5? theyre a pretty common map spawn with one or two of to start with
bright palm
the second to last log I got was the solus control unit, the last was mithrix
granite shard
also you should know q: keys are meh and fireworks are meh-er
carmine tree
fireworks are not that bad
bright palm
the game seems biased towards spawning magma worms instead
granite shard
fireworks are not that bad
@carmine tree they are pretty useless. very very inconsistent which is not something i want
carmine tree
if you're just looping stages and not going to mithrix
ivory depot
solus is like sirens and fields only
bright palm
do you mean sky meadows?
ivory depot
yeah same thing
granite shard
if youre looping i find fireworks too slow, you can kill things much quicker with other things but maybe one is nice to poke wisps i guess
ivory depot
who needs healings when you have drones
granite shard
you better find a scythe cause drones are gonna lose track of you! but yes i do love drones
carmine tree
@granite shard can't argue with that
firework is never be the best choice
ivory depot
yeah ik im praying for a scythe
carmine tree
but it can give some fun in play
ivory depot
also the drones may help once i turn my build into a noodle
mossy garden
carmine tree
"C"appa
bright palm
I just checked, I've killed 174 solus control units and 128 alloy worship units
granite shard
it's pretty fun but yeah it's almost always the worst choice imo
ivory depot
oh nooooo not already
bright palm
Solus control units can spawn on two stages and I've barely killed more than the worship unit
tired axle
i have 189 solus and 89 worship
i'm never going to kill any of them again
i wanna keep that number
bright palm
too bad one can spawn as a teleporter boss, lol
tired axle
i would rather end my run that change that number
bright palm
valid
tired axle
i guess i'm also always going to abyssal now
bright palm
I thin that part of the problem is that the director really likes spawning magma worms as a boss over anything else
ivory depot
yeah theres way too many
bright palm
also elite brass contraptions for some reason
ivory depot
also
bright palm
I bet it has something to do with solus control unit cost to spawn and the director likes to just
throw all of it's points at the most expensive thing there is
ivory depot
welp i just got one shot by a titan fist fun
thats what happens when i have no healing besides drones
granite shard
hopoo said themselves they weren't sure why it was happening im pretty sure
bright palm
a couple updates back they tried to make it impossible for horde of many golems to spawn and also reduce horde of many bosses in general
but uh, golems still happen and they don't know how to stop them, their director is too powerful
(it'd probably be easier to remove horde of many bosses at this point)
oh! interesting thing about lunar chimeras! (the guardians)
they have an unused skill, sort of
ivory depot
hordes of many bosses are fine they just spawn with way more total health than they should sometimes
carmine tree
unused skills hmm
ivory depot
normal stage 5 boss is like 15k hp and a horde of many boss on stage 5 can push up to 67k or smth
granite shard
what's it do?
bright palm
it grants them a boost in armor, I'm not sure about the amount but they have an armor boosting skill just like the first game
granite shard
they were in the first game??
bright palm
sort of, they were called Temple guardians then
foggy geyser
I’d be thrilled to have solus units spawn more often. None of them have dropped their auto biography for me yet
granite shard
oh the temple guardians
some inspiration and i think mithrix refers to it but a pretty different enemy, had me going for a second there
yeah it would be nice if more solus because relative to magma worms they spend a lot more time visible
carmine tree
@bright palm you mean both golem and wisp guardian has unused skill?
bright palm
not the lunar wisp, no. Just the lunar golem
foggy geyser
At least I think thats the one, I can never remember which of the servitors I have the log for
bright palm
ivory depot
they already have two just please let them not gain any more power
bright palm
they do have two skills but their AI uses both of them
the lunar golem for some reason doesn't use their second skill
tired axle
you mean that defensive mode?
bright palm
yea, they don't give themselves armor despite having the functionality
they are one of the few enemies in the game that sprint and have an animation for it
granite shard
its just as well really because theyd be a pain, theyre already tanky and have a oneshot ability
tired axle
golems can oneshot you?
granite shard
they have four simultaneous projectiles
I've gone from full to -500 before because they snuck up on me
it's stupid
tired axle
i don't think i ever got hit by one of their shots
granite shard
if you play with low sounds like i do you can be
bright palm
their shots are easy to dodge
ivory depot
they are dangerous but easy to dodge
tired axle
^
granite shard
i know they're easy to dodge but i make mistakes sometimes lol
i've been hit ONCE and i died instantly
bright palm
that's super valid
carmine tree
especially in phase 3 mithrix
granite shard
i do in fact know how to strafe
my point is that the design is super obnoxious. i hate monsters with big instakill attacks that are easy to dodge but punish you super hard
wisps are too far the other direction but at least theyre weak
bright palm
its funny though since even if you stand still, they can miss you due to the helix pattern of the shot
granite shard
its part of the reason that health items in this game suck so bad, lots of big hitter attacks that scale far beyond your HP
i cant see why anything should put me to -500 or less in loop 1
ivory depot
#bringbackbitteroot
tired axle
i guess that's a fair point
bright palm
some enemy scaling is ridiculous, yea
especially since infusion got nerfed hard in this game
tired axle
i would love to have back the old infusion
ivory depot
yeah, old infusion and bitter root
carmine tree
it becomes so hard to play looping in melee build
ivory depot
and maybe a pure just +dmg%, maybe +5% dmg per stack white item
tired axle
if enemys can have negative hp i want to have that too
granite shard
beyond loop one most attacks will take you to a fraction of your HP instantly. mithrix i can KINDA understand knocking half your health but walls of grief does not feel great with it's guaranteed OSP proc
if enemies were designed around dealing harder to avoid damage your health would feel valuable, repulsion plate would be a little better and youd avoid some of those FeelsBadMan moments where you go from 1200 to 200 to -900 in two frames to an overloading worm
ivory depot
repulsion honestly needs health scaling
bright palm
repulsion plate is really only good for the few attacks in the game that do chip damage
granite shard
even wisps will outdo it later into a run
bright palm
like four of them shuts down clay templars, wisps, and other enemies that deal small hits but
that's four of them
and to reduce damage significantly, you need 10s to 100s of them
granite shard
scaling just happens too fast
id rather have more enemies and less damage from them
but that has unintended effects with on kill stuff
broken ginkgo
Repulsion armor is made to greatly benefit early game and have great synergy with 
in a late game
That’s it
tired axle
maybe scaling health more and damge less could work
broken ginkgo
It’s fine what it is
strange elm
Nah. Some monsters already have a ton of health.
Also, you can't be 1-shot in this game.
bright palm
some monsters just deal too much damage too quickly
granite shard
it doesn't feel good. it's pretty balanced but it doesn't feel nice
if greater wisps could commit to a oneshot that wold be nice
two hits dealing 50% of my health in one go will in fact oneshot me
strange elm
Yeah, pretty much.
granite shard
im aware of OSP but that doesn't change multi-frame <90% hits which exist in large quantities
bright palm
overloading brass contraptions can kill you in one hit, sort of
broken ginkgo
Just have tons of hp and don’t worry about it
strange elm
It's kinda rough, but you have to rely on your skills to not take a 1-shot.
bright palm
that's sort of what we're saying, there aren't a lot of items that give you tons of HP reliably
strange elm
Overloading and Blazing monsters can 1-shot.
broken ginkgo
strange elm
That kills osp.
ivory depot
no amount of skill can save you from the ungodly scaling of hordes of many
bright palm
shield gens aren't bad, yea
strange elm
PSGs take 8 seconds to regen, tho. Kills osp.
bright palm
seriously, if you're lucky and get like eight of them, that's a significant amount
ivory depot
yeah but that wont help once nothing matters but osp
broken ginkgo
Why you need osp when even tier 2 elites have hard time dealing dmg to you?
granite shard
OSP is pretty niche. it stops attacks that deal more than 90% of your HP killing you if you have >90% of your HP
it does nothing for attacks less than that. if a hit puts me to 10.1% of my health and another comes right after that, <0.1s later, OSP does nothing
shield gens are pretty neat but some things simply don't care how much health you have
you could have 20K HP going into mithrix or a normal 1.somethingK, he will take you to 10% no matter what past loop 1
ivory depot
even without looping his damage is kind of... stupid.
granite shard
loop 1 feels fine to me
strange elm
Yeah. You just need to dodge.
bright palm
him and his brother have something in common with the, "Don't get hit" type of boss fight
ivory depot
flame shockwave, goodbye osp. hammer smash (this one isnt bad, i will admit), goodbye osp.
strange elm
Who is his bro?
ivory depot
providence.
strange elm
K
bright palm
the boss from the first game, yea
strange elm
Ok, I wondered about that.
broken ginkgo
On first loop he’s definitely isn’t scaled well, I was able to tank 4 his direct hammer slams with just 1 
ivory depot
the only real attack that wont just completely strip you of osp first loop is when he does a hammer smash thingy
strange elm
See, the course is called Commencement, so I wondered if Mithrix had any relation to Providence.
bright palm
shields really aren't bad since if you get hit by mithrix anyways, you'll probably be running away until you have all of your health back anyways
broken ginkgo
@strange elm it’s his brother
granite shard
mithrix hits slow, so transcendence is unusually effective against him
bright palm
which might take more than eight seconds
strange elm
Yeah, but if a Chimera spawns, you could take damage and not regen shield.
ivory depot
mithrix is like the only exception to shield gens power
bright palm
you might not regen health either with a chimera
broken ginkgo
Chimera dies like nothing when you facing mithrix
strange elm
@broken ginkgo I know Mithrix and Providence are related.
ivory depot
its terrible in everything except mithrix, same with other items.
mithrix is so different from the pre 1.0 hellstorm of enemy hordes that functioned as the "final challenge"
granite shard
i mean hopoo did specifically say mithrix might incentivise items you otherwise wouldn't care for
bright palm
unless you have god healing, you should probably run away for more than eight seconds after you take significant damage anyways
granite shard
things like chronobauble and red whip are suddently useful on the last stage
also isnt it 7s for shields or am i going mad
ivory depot
yeah its 7
broken ginkgo
It’s not terrible lol, when malachite hits you and deals very pathetic ammont if dmg just because you had 5-10 makes you feel much better
bright palm
oh yea, double scrap is fun
ivory depot
honestly i should try a rebar scrap combo
i think ill do that now.
strange elm
It looks bad, ngl.
bright palm
also, if the enemies never get past your shield, then you never have to worry about healing anyways
broken ginkgo
I’m not even mention how good on mul-t thanks to his highest hp scaling
strange elm
Dub scrap?
ivory depot
rebar, retool, scrap, retool, repeat
strange elm
Shield gen is meh. I don't like it.
wispy ravine
my double rebar was fun
wispy ravine
just hold down r and mouse 1
strange elm
Oh yeah. Dub rebar is great.
wispy ravine
I think it suits mults low mobility really well
bright palm
you should probably get an auto clicker for double rebar
granite shard
It’s not terrible lol, when malachite hits you and deals very pathetic ammont if dmg just because you had 5-10
@broken ginkgo malachites consistently dump me to 20% of my health. i don't see how 20-40% extra HP makes them THAT much weaker
bright palm
I meant to press your R key for you
wispy ravine
you can hold that down aswell
ivory depot
you just hold it down.
bright palm
I know but I don't like turning my hand into a pretzel just so you can move around and dodge
broken ginkgo
5 psg is 40% hp boost 10 is 80% tho, and it does helps a lot esp when you combine it with
wispy ravine
thats exactly what happened lol
granite shard
woops sorry forgot my maths for a second there
bright palm
if you have an auto clicker for your R key, you can move around normally without either pretzeling your hand or taking your hand off the R key
broken ginkgo
And since you have more total HP, you have more room for barrier
perfectly works here
bright palm
shields are pretty good
chrome idol
i still havent gotten saw blade for mul-t
broken ginkgo
Get it
broken ginkgo
Unless you are on console
This achievement is bugged on console
I guess
@chrome idol you can get garantee preon on delta (stage 3)
Imp overloard also has possibility to spawn there. Be aware it’s must be preon kill itself so 
proc will not count toward this challenge
bright palm
weaken the overlord before you shoot it
broken ginkgo
Also red light will help you find preon location
granite shard
are you guaranteed to get two buttons on aqueduct? looked the whole stage over and nothing
barely cost anything cause stage 2 7 hooves but still
broken ginkgo
Buttons always spawn, in different locations tho. They also hidden pretty goodly
wispy ravine
perhaps I judged distant root too harshly... (out in 5m)
granite shard
me, being overrun by monsters, desperately trying to kill the four vagrants. contraptions, vultures and jellyfish everywhere
two missiles drop from teleporter
everything dead within 4s
and a command stage with 8 barrels, a blood shrine and a heal shrine. cool but like where are the chests
safe hare
tf does alloy worship unit mean
severe chasm
Boss on sirens call
safe hare
I know that, but tf does alloy worship unit mean
3 very unrelated words
how are they related?
severe chasm
It's a unit made of an alloy and the funny birds worship it
sharp atlas
Is a solus control unit, and the alloy vultures worship it. Makes sense to me
arctic terrace
lmao why the fuck they are keeping tesla on mithrix
severe chasm
It's honestly not that bad. it is active for 10 seconds and then disabled for 10
You just have to get in, get some damage in and then get out
summer stratus
lmao why the fuck they are keeping tesla on mithrix
@arctic terrace its ok dude they added a visual just dodge lmao
stray kernel
I am going to try making commando in roblox
ember pecan
good luck dude 😄
austere anvil
If an animal took a shower, would it use shampoo or body wash
sharp atlas
Shampoo
zinc kernel
depends on the animal tbh
arctic terrace
also is it me or rex hits are not registering?
i played a match and saw my projectile went into the target but its not doing damage
the normal attack
undone eagle
so nice when you play with one other random and you just have fun and they dont loot goblin or rage or just not use the chat
obtuse scarab
i am missing 1 monster log and it is the worship sphere thing
zinc kernel
screenshot?
robust pine
@obtuse scarab stack insane amkunts of clovers with lunar soup and sacrifice-swarms
robust pine
What
obtuse scarab
i had so much
robust pine
How
obtuse scarab
i dont think that clovers work on that specific monster
robust pine
Maybe
restive aspen
clovers work
but when it's only a 3% chance to drop, you really need a lot to get the log.
pine iris
I am going to develop a crippling tonic addiction
worldly perch
i've always wondered, does the affliction stack?
ivory depot
yes
ivory depot
one affliction is nothing, if it didnt stack that item would be so incredibly overpowered
but as is: alchohol is good
restive aspen
Nothing wrong with a quick sip
woven citrus
damn are artifacts broken. i was able to obliterate on monsoon with no effort thanks to command and sacrifice
quiet kraken
Now do it with chaos and whatever the fall damage one is
ripe jolt
worldly perch
dang, had a good run and got gold golem boi to help with bosses, then got shotgunned from behind by an overloaded brass contraption
pine iris
it really happens
worldly perch
killed by the bell
raw vine
just had a game with some friends, imagine the mayhem that resulted when we used a mountain, and we got the beetle guard boss drop...
8 beetle guards join the party!
unreal egret
Yo I just killed Alloy Worship Unit by dashing into him as merc and he just suddenly flew like 300 meters into a wall and fucking died
He still had 15k health left
Is this a bug?
brisk hornet
Been noticing that over the last few days @unreal egret
minor python
im pretty sure thats intentional
fiery karma
Yeah if you push an enemy into the wall hard enough they just die
works on the floor, too
fallow coyote
is it worth going for max crit with acrid and artificer?
unreal egret
I mean... duh
fallow coyote
well... thanks
unreal egret
Realistically you don't really need 100% crit because the loss is negligible
But that's less true with characters like Arti
fallow coyote
alright, thank you
unreal egret
Because slow
fallow coyote
yea lol
safe hare
If you have an aspect and the enemies have guillotines, does it proc?
safe vapor
I can honestly say I never even thought about that
dull ingot
@safe hare no
zinc kernel
spinel tonics downside basically being negated by gesture makes it a top tier equipment with royal and crowdfunder
muted spade
the problem is that you need gestures and fuel cells for that, so until then it's a very situational item
worldly perch
i see the wiki lost some objectivity
polar anvil
@worldly perch gamepedia?
worldly perch
fandom
polar anvil
Don't read fandom
muted spade
trust only gamepedia
worldly perch
it's the wiki that shows up first
polar anvil
It wasn't updated since hidden realm
polar anvil
Huh what
muted spade
interesting
polar anvil
Someone is updating it? Are you sure you aren't on gamepedia
worldly perch
wait nvm, apparently they just look essentially the same
polar anvil
Lol
polar anvil
Huh
worldly perch
hoo boy, guess i'm not getting clover for a while
polar anvil
It's reach stage 20 right