now to do it with every other character π
#gd2-nullified
steel laurel
narrow gate
im not even going for obliteration i just want to beat mith
severe chasm
Let me know if you need any help @narrow gate I've gotten pretty consistent at it on Monsoon
steel laurel
beating mith on monsoon sounds impossible to me ngl lol
severe chasm
How new are you to the game?
steel laurel
oh im not new at all
been playing since EA, have like 110 hours
but idk I just never touched Monsoon until now
severe chasm
Just keep working at it I guess. Practice on Monsoon and learning from deaths
steel laurel
yeah fair enough
severe chasm
That's the biggest thing If you can learn why you died you can prevent it next time
steel laurel
yeah defo
narrow gate
if i shift off a ledge with acrid do i take fall dmg
severe chasm
No @narrow gate
narrow gate
good lol
severe chasm
It negates all fall damage
severe chasm
How? @narrow gate Might be able to learn something for next time
narrow gate
i got shot by the flyign thing
finite swallow
During phase 2 you can hide behind a pillar
narrow gate
i was but they were chasing me all around
severe chasm
Stealth kit helps a lot with them. I always grab at least 1 if I see it
1 runalds and a royal capacitor can 1 shot them
Make sure to prioritize them whenever they spawn
I've died to them more than Mithrix recently
near coral
Flying Chimeras are priority one for me
Even in the phase where Mithrix is with adds. If i canβt 1 shot mithrix and a chimera spawns Iβm focusing it
severe chasm
Same @near coral
clear plover
I still think Mithrix fight should be changed so that he doesn't get your items - it's antifun. Imagine getting Tesla Coil on Mercenary - your entire run in fun until you get to the Mithrix - then the fun disappears
severe chasm
I love it as it is now
primal imp
If you play multiplayer with a Captain, it looks he negates some survivors like Acrid Arti because he takes microbots and you can't out dps them.
clear plover
@@severe chasm Just a question - how a Mercenary with Tesla can defeat Mithrix?
clear plover
Uh huh...
severe chasm
I've done it before but it was insane
Eviserate and then immediately dash away
Onto a pillar if you can away from his reach
I do think more items should be blacklisted such as Nkuhanas, Ceremonial Daggers, Tesla and some others I cant think of at this second
It sucks having to scrap them because of the last phase
Also a royal capacitor would help to just camp him out until you get it back
But i had blast shower for band cooldown
So it was insane lol
primal imp
Blacklisting more things would probably solve a lot of issues
severe chasm
Another tip with Tesla: It has a cooldown timer and isnt up 100% of the time
They gave it's uptime an animation with the latest patch
primal imp
But at that point it's just kinda tedious for the devs cause they have to check if something needs blacklisting on release
severe chasm
Just wait until it is inactive then go in
clear plover
Doesn't it discharge only if it hits something?
severe chasm
No. It's a timer
Every 10 seconds it switches off
For 10 seconds so that's your chance to strike
clear plover
Yeah, I guess it's possible
But how about they just blacklist everything and make it a fair duel that is a test of skill
severe chasm
I don't mind him taking your items. I think it's really cool that you have to beat them out of him. But some of them are just insane
exotic dock
safe vapor
Yeah item steal is cool imo I like that your shit gets used against you
Have to think about it a little bit
I would just scrap the tesla before mithrix tbh lol
Or you can fight him between the charges but, yeah, scrappers exist
thin zodiac
i was just wondering, how many of you are merc mains?
narrow gate
i used to "main" him but now i just play everyone
thin zodiac
i cant do that. i have to play as 1 character over a long period of time, because switching feels weird to me. idk why.
thin zodiac
same. hes probably my 2. easily beaten by captain
safe vapor
Different survivors sorta reinvent the game
regal citrus
hey if you guys are merk mains how did you get the achievements for him?
the 30 second one sounds easy enough
thin zodiac
i agree, the switch feels kinda weird tho. i have to get used to the new loadout and, yeah.
regal citrus
but the prismatic trial seems so daunting
safe vapor
I think they did great w him
thin zodiac
same
safe vapor
but the prismatic trial seems so daunting
@regal citrus are on pc or console
regal citrus
pc
tropic garden
i just did it for console
thin zodiac
i feel like commando used to be ok, but they just chipped away at his fun over all this time.
tropic garden
it was hell
safe vapor
Ok go to #prismatic-trials and check the pins
regal citrus
ok thanks
narrow gate
what were the changes to merc besides the 3rd hit on auto thing
safe vapor
And yeah it's the hardest challenge, but it has the potential to be easy if you get a real good seed
regal citrus
yea thanks @safe vapor wish me luck
thin zodiac
im too much of a pussy to try prismatic trials
safe vapor
Gl! If it's a bad seed don't drive yourself crazy, there will be more
regal citrus
@thin zodiac complete it atleast once you get a real good item with crits
ok thanks Ill keep that in mind
thin zodiac
alright
safe vapor
Yeah you need to at least get the scythe lol
what were the changes to merc besides the 3rd hit on auto thing
@narrow gate health regen from 2.5 to 1.0 and a cut to hp scaling also.
And slicing winds applies debuff now too
winged briar
just did a shrine of order at the very end of my command/sacrifice run and... good god
i was 2 fast
small estuary
Be direct with me.
Is merc bad after this patch?
severe chasm
Oh god no
Just way harder to play
They only nerfed his health regen really
On a character loaded with Iframes you shouldn't need it that often
But they also buffed his damage by an insane amount with the expose mechanic
small estuary
I know, he rocks but now.
His R doesnt scale with attack speed
red echo
did someone say mercenary
tired juniper
merc's r doesn't scale with attack speed??
wait which one
also i hope they add another environment for stage 5 sometime
narrow gate
how do I deal with the bullets from phase 2 in the boss? im having trouble outrunning them
narrow gate
I was doing that
wintry bison
god i love captain so much
not even the airstrike, just bonking someone in the head by dropping a beacon on them
glad anchor
Iβm salty because I have to wait until November to play captain, but at least I donβt have to go through comedy island
umbral coyote
yeah, so have you ever wondered what happens if you leave your character falling out the map?
grim rock
gg boys!
wicked glen
Congrats
grim rock
but still no aurelionite log
wicked glen
one day maybe
digital barn
what was initially a huntress run, ended with me getting void succed because i got a little too close and personal as mercenary 
and was just about to fight the Twisted Scavenger
btw my first death was also a void succ
eager badger
The alloy worship unit is such a joke
My friend got an amazing angle of me slamming it
dull ingot
Lol.
rancid remnant
I mean, when not cheesing it with forced movement, the thing tends to have absolutely ludicrous health.
bleak egret
just don't get hit, simple
eager badger
Slamming consistently is not an easy skill to learn
worldly marlin
What is the "rex freeze execution fix" in the notes?
eager badger
If you got frozen as rex by the ice explosion from glacial elites you were able to be executed
Same effect as artificer's ice wall or nano spear
narrow gate
aight bois i need knowledge: is it viable to not loop and kill mithrix
or should I loop
chilly widget
if you have a good balance of damage and movement
dont need to loop
but if you are unsure no harm in looping
junior ether
wax quail now sits on captain's shoulder π
dull ingot
aw thats cute
crimson glacier
So, I just played the mithrix fight
on the new patch, and I still think it absolutely punishes having a good build, which I really wish it didn't.
maiden remnant
Oh my god that's amazing
Wax quail just became a must have on all my Captain runs
crimson glacier
I mean, wax quail is just a good item anyways
maiden remnant
yes but now it's a must have
for every captain run
and Im not allowed to end the run until I get it
forest fog
Just got a horde of many Blazing Brass Contraptions for stage 4 boss 
maiden remnant
"you picked the wrong house, fool!"
urban walrus
"VIBE CHECK"
merry igloo
Director:"you going too fast buddy"
loud scroll
on the new patch, and I still think it absolutely punishes having a good build, which I really wish it didn't.
@crimson glacier agreed, i died early just to having too much chance to bleed i bled to death
crimson glacier
I had two clovers, four glasses, rejuve racks, 3 tri-tips, and like 3 scythes.
among other assorted things that did not help the situation
hallow fractal
so with the new bleed changes and gesture + fuel cells sawmerang can start doing a LOT of damage
urban walrus
how do I get those damn hermit crabs to spawn
crimson glacier
loop once, they spawn on titanic planes starting stage 6
bright palm
I don't like mithrix still
vague comet
Fun question for thought
Which survivor do you all think would be best suited for a No-WASD run?
crimson glacier
I realized that while he still has less health he will absolutely punish you for not having mobility... which isn't good when like half the survivors depend on items for getting good mobility.
bright palm
...
@vague comet loader, your M1 moves you forward and you have a grappling hook
you can reasonably only use shift and m2 for moving across the map
vague comet
Fair enough.
I was considering MUL-T because his Shift drives in the direction you're looking, not the direction MUL-T is facing, and he'd be tanky enough to potentially be able to survive standing still 6 seconds at a time.
crimson glacier
merc isn't totally out of the running if you take both dashes
pre nerf I would have said he was an excellent choice, now I'd say that it depends on chosen difficulty
bright palm
loader's scrap barrier and natural armor also provide some good tank, and the same argument can be made for loader's shift but in all directions and not just forward
vague comet
Who would have the worst time on a No-WASD run?
bright palm
artificer
vague comet
Captain too
bright palm
actually, yea captain would have the worst
artificer is actually pushed back a little bit by m2
captain doesn't have that
narrow gate
we out here losing runs in 2020
crimson glacier
I think the mithrix fight was a better fight when you could cheese it
bright palm
I would like to reach it with loader so I can find out
crimson glacier
Like if he's going to pull some cheese by stealing my items, I'm going to pull some cheese by kicking below the belt
bright palm
also, I kind of think the last phase shouldn't happen unless you have beads
crimson glacier
Loader will do well in it, I got there with rex and got absolutely destroyed by not being able to dodge
bright palm
my problem is that my graphics card is shit and I can't always dodge
also I failed to dodge one attack on phase three and got fucking oneshot
there isn't a lot of room for error which is frustrating
crimson glacier
I really think the entire ending boss and how it's presented is kinda antithetical to basically everything that people praised the game for. The fact it's the default instead of looping, which is what the game became known for, and the fact that building too efficiently is almost completely detrimental to your ability to beat the boss all just feel bad.
bright palm
I would like to reach the final phase without artifacts just to see how it plays out now that he's been
nerfed?
because in a game where items are your lifeblood and what keep you alive 90% of the time, having them all be taken away and given to the final boss is...
rough, to say the least
crimson glacier
It would be entirely fine if he just copied your items
bright palm
or took half of them
crimson glacier
that way I don't lose the two hopoo feathers I had been depending on for the past 5 minutes of combat
bright palm
I do not think he should take from dead players either
he's also very difficult for melee characters just because
how are you supposed to hit the guy?
crimson glacier
I honestly think one of those artifact shadow clones would probably make for a more dramatic "oh dang" moment
bright palm
his hammer slam attack straight up kills you you on phase three
crimson glacier
I think you just keep toxin up as pupper, hit 'n run as loader, and use the alternate r for merc
bright palm
you see, I do that but sometimes shit happens
crimson glacier
Then just fight him again :^D
bright palm
the boss is very fast and has incredibly strong attacks that might leave you at 10% and oops, he throws out another hit right as he reduces you to 0
crimson glacier
Maybe even play a different character :^)
bright palm
you know, that's really great advice and all but it's also not
I'm kind of just throwing out empty complaints since I can't expect hopoo to change the entire bossfight just because I have trouble with it
merry igloo
What character u using
bright palm
like obviously the best way to beat a boss and not die is, "Don't get hit" but that's real hard when you're playing Loader and your only ranged option is a pylon that hits about 2 meters around it
sorry that you're a god gamer and I'm not
clever mist
is there a way of getting the logbook entry for defensive microbots
merry igloo
For loader try using ur punch just after he slam the hammer everytime
bright palm
okay, that's good
I still got hit doing that but I was being impatient for two reasons
I like hitting stuff and I had a hardlight so I could hit him faster
I still have a problem I nor hopoo can fix and that's a shitty graphics card. I get a lot of screen tears once my card heats up and sometimes I can't see anything to dodge it
merry igloo
Reduce ur screen resolution, it helps a lot
crimson glacier
I've heard stage one if you don't pick up items and have the artifact of vengeance turned on the shadow will drop it @clever mist
bright palm
wait, will that really help?
crimson glacier
Oh, yeah turning down the resolution will usually improve the performance of most games, but it will make tabbing out kinda janky
clever mist
thank u i will try that
crimson glacier
unless you run it in a window
merry igloo
I play in 800x400, make text hard to read but it's not important
crimson glacier
Being able to easily lower the resolution and not care about performance is easily one of the best arguments for bringing back crt.
or being able to reduce resolution and not worry about losing too much for a performance boost is what I meant.
clever mist
@crimson glacier the vengeance thing worked ty
crimson glacier
No problem, someone asked earlier in questions
I don't remember who originally said it but probably thank them I guess.
open locust
does artifact of swarm + sacrifice work as well as i hthink it would?
bright palm
@merry igloo didn't work
polar anvil
@open locust not as you think it would
Read gamepedia
golden sedge
hey guys, did someone notice that since 1.0 the Royal Capacitor is kinda broken or it's only me?
I mean, before 1.0 every time the prompt for activating it was there it always activated, and now it just doesn't
loud scroll
what? did you have a gesture and not know it before?
golden sedge
no no, I meant "there's the prompt > press Q > it works"
now it's "There's the prompt > press Q > hope it works"
merry igloo
@bright palm what doesn't work
steel smelt
hey guys, is there any good videos about game lore? I really want to correlate my theories.
worldly marlin
I agree with the royal capacitor thing, you can be slightly looking at an enemy and it has the big blue square with Q above it aiming directly on something. You press Q. Nothing happens. The crosshairs are still just locked on an enemy
It currently feels really buggy
safe hare
Just got this game today, only a few hours of play time, but I watched vinny's playthrough so I know how rain game work.
I am thinking of a concept of a robot that can eject its core and control it, leaving the chassis to armor itself up and build another core while the player is firing high-dps lasers from the core, idk just a rough concept
spark narwhal
that is a cool concept put that in feed back I think.
merry igloo
I won't say 3000% damage every 20 seconds the worst equipment
merry igloo
Single target to take down the elite brass or lemurian is very worth, and it can proc all ur shit so it kinda have aoe, and idk what bug u guys talking I have no problem using it all
leaden crag
royal capacitor is the best equipment
golden sedge
royal capacitor + command + 10 fuel cells + soulbound catalyst best build
by the way, I used to prioritize the Preon rather than the RC because of the humongous damage output, but the big cooldown is a dealbreaker, with the Royal Capacitor you can do big damage in relatively low time
(and yeah, should we warn the devs about the bug?)
polar anvil
Who needs capacitor drone when you can have preon drone
golden sedge
Who needs capacitor drone when you can have preon drone
@polar anvil preon drone and capacitor at hand? π
also capacitor drone every 4s (because of the 5x thing the did recently) so this I guess
golden sedge
the death fairy, fair enough ahah
slow totem
isn't cap drone still not worth because it doesn't have any items to proc?
dull ingot
@golden sedge Not even close to the best build. If you are doing a command run, you'll get way higher damage output by combining Forgive Me Please, Fuel Cells, Gesture of the Drowned, Will-o-the-Wisps, and Ceremonial Daggers. You can also throw in Topaz Brooch for effectively infinite barrier.
quartz saffron
forgive me pls gives you barrier if you have brooch?
dull ingot
Yes
quartz saffron
neat
dull ingot
It activates almost any on-kill effect
quartz saffron
happiest mask is the exception?
dull ingot
It wasn't working with frost relic or berserker pauldron for some reason, but last patch fixed that
Yeah, I don't think it works with happiest mask or shatterspleen
Once you get enough will o the wisps, it wipes everything on the entire map multiple times per second
Enemies die before they even finish their spawn animations
slow totem
last bugfix patch actually made it work with relic and pauldrons
dull ingot
I'm just waiting for them to fix the issue that breaks the item if you toss it off the edge of the map
It's been reported a bunch of times, but there's no proper bug tracker, so who knows if hopoo has even read the reports about that issue
golden sedge
@golden sedge Not even close to the best build. If you are doing a command run, you'll get way higher damage output by combining Forgive Me Please, Fuel Cells, Gesture of the Drowned, Will-o-the-Wisps, and Ceremonial Daggers. You can also throw in Topaz Brooch for effectively infinite barrier.
@dull ingot hmm, I should try that and see
dull ingot
I'd say the royal capacitor build is better early game, but for longer runs, a good forgive me please build is a lot more powerful
quartz saffron
has the 'enemies can kill you the moment you arrive on a stage' been fixed? haven't read the patch notes yet
plain viper
You have always had a short duration of invulnerability when arriving on a new stage of a couple seconds
As long as I've played the game at least, 1.0 just changed it that you can see it as an actual buff above your healthbar
If you have slow loading times it might expire before you're fully loaded in i guess?
quartz saffron
I've been on a long run and when I get to a new stage a malachite lemurian or beetle was next to me - couldn't even move away before the run was over
plain viper
I've only had times where i got attacked on stage 1 when i spawned in and was unable to move
polar anvil
The game decided your play time is over
rigid sail
has the 'enemies can kill you the moment you arrive on a stage' been fixed? haven't read the patch notes yet
@quartz saffron
Literally my first life, I couldn't find the button to get out of the pod and got one-clapped by a golem.
dull ingot
I died before I could start moving about an hour ago when I tried an every-artifact run and spawned as Acrid. Before it would let me even move, I died. Happened a couple times actually.
Stage 1
plain viper
Acrids longass waking up animation while being blasted by 2 lemurians 
quartz saffron
i mean on stage1 it's not a big deal since you can restart, but it's annoying if you have been in a game for a while
plain viper
But I've always had the invuln for a couple seconds in every stage after
quartz saffron
anyways, i take that as a no for it being fixed
plain viper
Tanked through plenty of hits cuz of it
Like i said, might be an issue on your end due to loading times or something, dunno
quiet socket
I haven't tried it yet but unlocking Merc's alt special sounds mad difficult.
Am I wrong in that assumption?
mossy garden
nope
quartz saffron
depends on the pt and your skills
mossy garden
with glass it becomes quite easy
quartz saffron
I got it ages ago, during the 1st pt when merc got his alt
had a preon + a fuel cell
boss on 2nd stage, think it was a dunestrider got easily deleted
mossy garden
yeah thats a strat
i had a run with back-up and 3 broaches
so the drones took aggro from the boss
quartz saffron
there were also 2 brooches on stage1 plus there was also a brooch printer on stage 2 if you wanted to play it safe
quiet socket
So its basically RNG if I get a good Prismatic Trial seed that day?
mossy garden
everyone gets the same seed
plain viper
I had a really chill run where there were a brooch and uke on the snow stage
quiet socket
Yes I know
mossy garden
and it resets every 3 days i think?
plain viper
Ya
quartz saffron
ye, 72 hours
mossy garden
but yes its purely rng
however, the game always plays exactly the same
meaning if you memorize the seed it can become quite easy
plain viper
Theres someone who makes videos every time to show how they do a 0dmg merc run
quartz saffron
Cabbage does a vid for each new seed, check out #prismatic-trials if you'd need help with it
plain viper
#prismatic-trials should be in here
quiet socket
Yh I've done a Prismatic Trial before, just haven't attempted to get the achievement
plain viper
I will
mossy garden
mean
plain viper
quiet socket
Ngl I was thinking about it, But I want to at least give it a good fair shake
plain viper
I bled for this skill i never use anywah
mossy garden
Ngl I was thinking about it, But I want to at least give it a good fair shake
thats the spirit
do your best
quiet socket
I dont even play Merc lol
mossy garden
me neither
plain viper
Ya i didnt edit in my lunars until i unlocked everything as well
Am a good girl π
Well, pre 1.0 everything
mossy garden
i pretty much edited infinite lunars to get those stupid ass irradiant pearls
plain viper
I got 2 yesterday
mossy garden
hacks
plain viper
mossy garden
they dont exist, they are nothing but a lie by hopoo
mossy garden
if you think about it pearls are both stupid op and pretty mediocre
10% damage and crit is nice
extra armor if you have it too
plain viper
I also got the frost elite item
mossy garden
but the rest of the stats you get are almost useless outside of hp for tank builds
mossy garden
frost aspect + dio's = op
plain viper
Only reason i stack beads, so i can yeet em in the pools when i see one and my build allows it
quartz saffron
you can get irradiant pearls without lunar coins, if you have enough time to wait
mossy garden
yes same
you can get irradiant pearls without lunar coins, if you have enough time to wait
how so?
you have to obtain a lunar item which costs 1 coin minimum
quartz saffron
plain viper
I completely legit farmed 694,201,337 coins anyway
mossy garden
pearls dont drop from sacrifice
granite shard
sacrifice to make enemies drop equipments
artifact that randomises equipments
feed lunar equipments into pool
repeat ad infinitum
quartz saffron
enigma can give you lunar equips
granite shard
nope
you can get any equipment from enigma
you absolutely can, i gave it my tonic by accident once
quartz saffron
you can use lunar equips in the pool
plain viper
Ah okay
mossy garden
sweet sauce was taken from me :(
plain viper
I still have traumas when i accidentally dropped my tonic and i ended up with 137 debuff stacks
quartz saffron
anyways, if you wait enough eventually you can get an irradiant that way
plain viper
Only reason i was able to move at all was cuz i had like 60 wax quails
granite shard
i only ever take tonic when i can get 100% uptime so ive never gotten a stack of affliction lmao
do you even get them when you have 100% uptime i havent checked
plain viper
I was depressed it was a 6 hour run so i had a heckload of items
mossy garden
if only pools would spawn with command
plain viper
Yeah if it expires
mossy garden
big sad
plain viper
You get all the accumulated debuffs at once
Happened on my loader run when mithrix took my items too
Insta 31 stacks
quartz saffron
plain viper
That run didnt end well
mossy garden
having tonic taken away from you is worse than heartbreak
plain viper
That 6h run was a metamorphosis sacrifice swarm run
I died in stage 104 cuz kipkip or w/e could outheal my dmg
And there were 2 of em
plain viper
I had a panic/depression attack okay 
quartz saffron
the first tonic I ever used got taken away... when I found the very first equip drone I've seen
plain viper
Over 6 hours
mossy garden
b r uh
plain viper
One sitting π
Oh guragura
I also accidentally didnt click monsoon but i only noticed 20mins in and i was too depresso to restart
Wouldnt want to spend my time inefficiently now would we
I also tried for 4 rows of items but once i completed my 3rd the items just shifted over to make more space in the 3 rows
tired axle
he has infinite hp
plain viper
No i killed plenty of enemies with -2.1b hp
Also was able to buy drones that had -2.1b cost
Don't think it gave me money tho
Math gets a bit weird at these numbers
past sand
One mountain shrine and I get 4 vagrants on stage 2
Alrighty then, that's a fun one
tired axle
did you use swarms?
past sand
No, otherwise I'd have said I used swarms
tired axle
how far were you into the run?
tired axle
guess it kinda makes sense at that timeframe
still pretty bad rng to get vagrant tho
probably my least favorite boss
past sand
Vagrant shouldn't be a spawn option at all for the first two stages
Never mind 4 of them from one mountain shrine
tired axle
i agree
plain viper
Vagrant seems fine-ish to me tbh
tired axle
i think they should at least nerf the blast radius of his attacks
plain viper
A bit tougher than golem or beetle but if you don't get super unlucky with items it's pretty doable
tired axle
you just slowly die if you don't have healing items
past sand
"a bit tougher" is an understatement
beetle can only shotgun you down if you're super close
golem can't touch you if you run circles around him
vagrant forces you to literally run and hide to not get oneshot, which can be super awkward in some more open spots if you're playing a less mobile character
in a game where mobility = not dying, a boss that forces you to stand still and hide to counter a oneshot doesn't make for a fun early game experience
plain viper
Fair, earlygame allows you to do that and be fine so i can see it teaching bad habbits
supple widget
you can shield from the explosion by using the teleporter's poles if you are in trouble
just gotta break line of sight with the center of the jellyfish
past sand
I'm aware, but if you get knocked back even slightly by anything else attacking you, you're screwed
I'm fine with the boss in general, I don't have an issue killing it, I just don't think it belongs in the first two stages
eager badger
Merc has the easiest time with vagrants when compared to everyone else
But from experience with other characters I can say it really isn't that bad
I think only his seeking ball is dangerous
If anything it feels as easy as the first game's vagrant in terms of difficulty
nocturne nymph
on early stages, merc with vagrant is fucking hell
eager badger
How?
radiant ingot
about the newtist challenge thing, activating 8 newt altars
do you just touch random pods until you get it?
per run or accumulative?
quartz saffron
doesn't have to be in one run
eager badger
Accumulative
Also it has to be 8 different ones
3 easy ones are the ones that spawn 100% of the time on abandoned aqueduct, scorched acres and rallypoint delta
quartz saffron
there are 11 environments (with the alternate variants), and each have 3 altars
so there's plenty of options to get those 8 ones
nocturne nymph
ya don't have any items, his cooldowns can fuck him over if you don't clear ads, and if you're not cautious enough, you die to his explosion
eager badger
So the same issues as all other characters?
nocturne nymph
well..... i wouldn't say that, it's bc he's melee so he needs to stay close, and if the jellyfish starts to explode you're done for..... but I play on console, so I guess I wouldn't have the same reflexes as someone from pc
eager badger
Yeah
That makes much more sense
Both eviscerate and blinding assault can just completely ignore the explosion
If you time it right
Also console doesn't have the expose mechanic
nocturne nymph
oboi mechanics
eager badger
Oh and also forgot you could always just
Slam the vagrant into oblivion
But that isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world
quartz saffron
I heard that splatting became harder after 1.0
eager badger
It has
Tho them fixing the dash has seemed to make it like before
At least that's how I feel it
Would have to ask slamming God himself cabbage
radiant ingot
doing the chasing hermit crabs achievo after a few loops is like the movie Birds
dont move a muscle while doing it or everything procs and all hell breaks loose lol
half birch
Is there a modding chat? or a prefered chat for that?
granite shard
pretty sure there's a risk of rain modding discord but i dont have a link for you
pearl hedge
it's on thunderstore.io in the site header
half birch
Thanks
merry igloo
Uh so if I go through lunar portal before going to final stage, it bring me to second loop, is it always like this
finite swallow
yes
merry igloo
But why, fuckin scrap my ukulele lmao
granite shard
you dont go to the moon cause you didnt take the moon teleporter :D
merry igloo
Lore accurate 
maiden niche
This game is cursed af
finite swallow
at least its not coil
maiden niche
(btw items are not in order of pickup, I have a mod that changes the order)
idle cloud
Hey at least you got armor plate
granite shard
does that mean mithrix will steal them in another order?
idle cloud
Makes void fields not that bad
maiden niche
I actually don't know
granite shard
also that fight's winnable, lots of easily dodgable monsters there
maiden niche
Yeah but it's dios
granite shard
just don't get hit 4Head
idle cloud
Yea at least you donβt have to deal with Bronzongs with Crowbars
granite shard
clang clang clang i hope you like flashing healthbars
merry igloo
Seems like not too bad void, golem and imp with crowbar seems the most dangerous here
granite shard
use void aura to get health below 90% and dodge like a madman
may require a dash around to lead them away from the thingy, you shouldnt die to void damage with plate
maiden niche
aand I got wake of vultures
granite shard
valuable
maiden niche
Also I'm surprised nobody noticed the almost 10 minute timer
because double stone titan stage 1 portal
with no dmg items
granite shard
oh shit lmao
i didnt even register cause im used to void fieldsing after stage 2 at ten minutes
so i totally misread it
at least it wasn't double vagrant with no damage?
maiden niche
Vagrant is easier
near coral
At least it wasnβt double overloading worms with no damage
maiden niche
true
merry igloo
Oh yeah that seem easy for 10 min void
granite shard
hard disagree, you can run circles around titans and not get hit by one and use them to block the other's laser
vagrants just fuck off as commando and you deal with damage falloff
they're okay on wetland cause there's verticality
near coral
Well actually at least it wasnβt Mithrix with Two Hammers with no damage
maiden niche
lol
But yeah I don't think the item order matters anymore because of the immunity while channeling
merry igloo
Hold on, other titan block other titan laser?
finite swallow
it does matter, determines which items you get back first
maiden niche
Then I would get all my whites back before I get any greens and then my reds
Since he steals from latest to earliest right?
finite swallow
yup
maiden niche
and he gives back in that order too
granite shard
Woops my internet died there. Yes @merry igloo titans block other titans, so you can defend from any number of titans forever if youβre careful. Itβs my favourite mountain shrine (outside of beeble mum) for this reason
quiet kraken
My first mithrix fight I shit myself when he did the item succ
granite shard
Real gamer strat is have hopoo feather as your last item so you get it back first and can dodge real easy
And ikr it was terrifying
merry igloo
That gonna be real useful, multiple titans is the hardest multiple boss for me
steep acorn
omega brain strategy is to use the shrine of order to get all your items back in ~4 procs
granite shard
Crowdfunder OP for mithrix?? Shoot him many time to get many item fast
versed epoch
betle
quiet kraken
The bois
calm osprey
for the love of god i just started watching a risk of rain 1 video w/ chef and i need them in 2
slow totem
the game is just trolling at this point
we hit 3 at the end but then the game crashed
calm osprey
i'm very sorry lmaoo
strange bear
Too many mountain shrines or not enough?
strange bear
Iβll try and get overloading worms stage 1
severe chasm
They can't spawn there sadly
raven lichen
Oh god
You'd actually run the risk of the guaranteed fail state, where they gain more hp from the clock then you can deal damage hahaha
strange bear
I was thinking a different stage
severe chasm
I believe it is only rallypoint delta, both stage 4s and stage 5
strange bear
Guaranteed fail state sounds scary
raven lichen
Hard to hit naturally unless you are rushing and dont have enough items haha
But if you somehow force a lot of mountains it can be done
fallen jolt
how do i do the kjaro and runland fight single player, how do i get into the chamber
limber dust
u need to play captain or engi and put a turret or beacon on one of the plates
or roll one of those explody pots on to it
fallen jolt
wasn't there a way to do it with movement abilities or something like that?
clipping through
limber dust
i think that got fixed
strange bear
Yea but the glitch doesnβt work anymore
strange bear
You can get in but the monsters wonβt show up
dull ingot
Secret strat to beat Mithrix ez.
||Boy, you fell for the oldest trick in the book. This is a clickbait and scam so you just got gnomed and stuffs. In order to bruh, you bruh and stuffs. Wait, this isn't the oldest trick in the book, this is a clickbait.||
raven lichen
True
radiant cloud
hello, how to load the teleporter with less than 10% hp?
I tried with the artifact but it doesn't work.
limber dust
play rex
raven lichen
Fall damage, shrine of blood, rex self damage, are good safe ways to get low without deceasing
granite shard
Glass artifact doesnβt leave you at 10% HP, you just have 10% max HP as your new max. Easy confusion but you need to be damaged
scarlet horizon
what is a easyer way for me to get engener mastery with command
near coral
Bustling fungus, crit, attack speed, ATG, bleed
near coral
Hardlight afterburner
undone eagle
or you could do the fungus n'kuhana meme
scarlet horizon
what should i be getting first or last
tidal reef
If you want some fun on top of that get the happiest mask and watch the ghosts never die inside your mile radius bungus dome
undone eagle
stack FUNgus
near coral
10x squid polyp
undone eagle
and the reds you should get are nkuhana, rejuv rack, aegis (in that order)
granite shard
get 2-5 fungus, 9 crit, some predatory/scythes, shatterspleen and then behemoth/aegis/rejuv rack for the red item
that should easily beat mithrix
make sure you have some hopoo feathers and pick them up just before you fight mithrix so you get them back nice and early in the last phase
undone eagle
obliterate tho
granite shard
obliteration is the same thing but with more fungus and some ATGs mixed in
undone eagle
more fun
scarlet horizon
thank you so much
granite shard
more fun
@undone eagle depends on how much you like mithrix lol
no worries @scarlet horizon , just make sure you keep on the move. you might want a bandolier or two to get your turret cooldown back quickly
undone eagle
mithrix is succ
granite shard
last phase is pretty easy now though
long as you can avoid the orbs, which can be done easily on the ramps then you're all good
undone eagle
last phase is harder π¦ nobody understands
granite shard
i understand pretty well
i used to avoid it at all costs
then i did a run with crowdfunder and got 80% of my items back in 10s
undone eagle
nah i just blast him to pieces in 2 milliseconds
steep acorn
i guess u will have to actually play the game if youre running command, oh no,,
granite shard
nah i just blast him to pieces in 2 milliseconds
@undone eagle how do you do that with no items??
undone eagle
pre-update
granite shard
not so applicable then lmao
i knew it was gonna get removed so i never did that lol
undone eagle
actually the fight just got less cheeseable
granite shard
yeah thats what i meant
it's easier because they nerfed the last phase, even without the cheese
solar brook
Not so sure about that, Mithrix feels quite weird, still bad honestly, I like the reason of this fourth phase but it's just, pure danger
granite shard
it's fine early in a run
late in a run it's still bullshit
survivor scaling doesn't really keep up even with his reduced scaling
I think he should use one stack of your items and no more, personally
solar brook
I wasn't even owning him I was on the edge of dying, I like he has less health now, but the fact if you miscalculate anything while near him you're dead for good.
And I didn't had ranged options with Merc and the drones weren't fighting unless I was there
granite shard
the reduced health helps
again, loop one the fight is honestly totally fair, you can take multiple hits especially with healing equipment
but later on the balance just breaks
solar brook
Honestly this fight needs a way to resist the stealing effect if you burst damage to him
scarlet horizon
iim lucky becouse by the time 1.0 gets to xbox it will be balenced
granite shard
It had that, and what happened was mithrix instadied while stealing, so they got rid of it
solar brook
Not talking about instakilling him, I'm talking about to resist the effect while still having to fight him in the last phase, taking no damage but returning items.
granite shard
I donβt follow, Iβm afraid. Like, he takes them more gradually, so you can stop him? Or you hit him while he takes them and you get some back while that happens, then the normal fight begins with it being a kinda 50/50 split
solar brook
It's alright, I should have word it better, so, you can keep attacking and you can resist a percentage of items, it encourages to keep fighting near until it finishes the animation and fall back to take cover.
So the fight doesn't feel completely helpless and the startup for phase 4 could be more than watching all your items being stolen
granite shard
Yeah, I like that. Might be a little unfair for poor acrid q: as long as itβs done by survivor base damage instead of your items (so all your items stop working straight away) cause otherwise youβd have the same problem where youβd just resist too much
undone eagle
whats unfair is syringe imps and brass contraptions vs rex
bright palm
interesting note, my band buff wasn't taken away during the last phase but I don't think I was actually proccing them, which is interesting
radiant oar
Hey sorry, I have a question. I noticed in a commando run using the grenade, the brilliant behemoth made it so that when the grenade itself hit the target, the brilliant behemoth explosion did damage, even though when the grenade hits a target normally it does not damage them. Does anyone know what the damage from the brilliant behemoth explosion is coming from?
bright palm
its kind of funny
when you throw the grenade and it hits a surface (whether that surface is an enemy or terrain) the grenade triggers a brilliant behemoth explosion. It might also trigger it when it actually damages enemies with the normal grenade explosion too
radiant oar
i remember when i hit a target directly only, it did a pretty sizable amount of damage.
bright palm
that wasn't the question
bright palm
I imagine they probably know about it and have no intention to "fix" it if its unintended. its not exactly breaking the game
radiant oar
yeah it actually made using the grenade feel alright knowing i can at least hit a target in the air if i had my grenades up
tepid wolf
The grenades could stick to enemies or something since they feel so wonky
radiant oar
Im sure theres plenty of ways to buff the grenades to at least be viable. im going to try testing where exactly the BB explosion is getting the damage value from since in a normal situation, the grenade hitting a target shouldnt be activating the BB explosion since it doesnt do damage normally. im just curious as to the exact number value
bright palm
grenades are fine imo
tepid wolf
In most games you can cook grenades by holding the fire button but that would waste too much DPS in ROR2
radiant oar
my assumption is that BB is getting its damage from the 175% damage * 4 due to the grenades being directly in contact with the enemy
tepid wolf
If the grenades sticked to enemies it could also be a wisp killer as well
radiant oar
sticking to enemies would be nice
bright palm
I really don't think they need to stick tbh
tepid wolf
Commando is the most RNG reliant character right now which is a bit sad
The nades feel like the worst ability to use in ROR2 because you can't make the fuse time shorter like in other games
bright palm
commando is probably one of the better equipped survivors for dealing with flying enemies considering his hitscan attacks
tepid wolf
Not for wisp hordes
Commando needs an ukulele or will-o-wisp to not die on the first loop
radiant oar
His issue is swarms
bright palm
better than most characters still for wisp hordes?
radiant oar
which is fine
tepid wolf
Commando is the least consistant character in the game
radiant oar
idk most characters have some AOE ability
tepid wolf
Commando can't sprint whilr attacking as well
bright palm
I don't struggle super hard when I play commando, he's got a good kit
tepid wolf
He needs mobility items and AOE really badly
Oh and he has big fall off on his damage
So you need to stick in close
bright palm
you can strafe around most enemies and be fine
phase blast can do good work against wisps along with just shooting them
tepid wolf
Just shooting them invidually wastes time
bright palm
his worst enemy is ground hordes imo which is why I use grenades
radiant oar
Im personally fine if he has downsides of not having great AOE or super great mobility, i feel like its important for a character to have downsides, but personally id like to see his other βless metaβ abilities be as outclassed
tepid wolf
Commando needs some love
bright palm
phase round is probably his worst skill and it's the default, that needs some love
tepid wolf
In general he needs it
I like playing him but he is the most RNG reliant character in the game right now
bright palm
phase round should probably get it's damage upped to 400% so it can proc bands
tepid wolf
His proc throne got overtaken by captain's M1 as well
bright palm
he otherwise does pretty good damage and has a skill that can stun enemies that scales with attack speed, he is otherwise lacking in AOE unless you equip grenades which aren't nearly that bad
tepid wolf
The nades help early game but they don't do enough
bright palm
he is probably the best character to stack attack speed and bleed
tepid wolf
Captain is the bleed king
bright palm
he can stack it in bigger chunks but not as quickly, even with plenty of syringes
I one cycled the worship unit with commando, something I haven't really been able to do with cap
tepid wolf
Captain can stack massive amounts of bleed even without having it capped
rancid remnant
Oh yeah I played command bleed stacking with commando yesterday, it was a blast.
tepid wolf
Commando has great single target but lacks in AOE and mobility during combat
radiant oar
ngl, regardless of early or late game id much rather take a suppressive fire than grenade, cause ill actually be able to hit and maybe even stun all the characters that fly like brass contraptions. Not being able to do aoe dmg is primarily only a problem because of large amount of flying enemies, not ground enemies, which is the only thing grenade is really useful for in terms of its AOE effect. The grenades main issue right now is that the required bounce needed for it to actually start to detonate makes it kind inconsistent.
Im honestly fine if commandoβs βbestβ combo is nowhere near any of the monster level survivors, id just like to see phase round and grenade get some tweaks
rancid remnant
Can somebody help me make a command build to beat the game on monsoon? Any character, but i'm somewhat melee averse
tepid wolf
You don't really need to look one up
chrome hedge
stunning Brass Contraptions 
tepid wolf
Command makes it a easy one
bright palm
10 bears, capped crit, lots of attack speed and healing items, rejuve rack, aegis
tepid wolf
Basically even the weird builds work
rancid remnant
bleed stack?
bright palm
yes
rancid remnant
WilloWisp?
tepid wolf
A lot of stuff works in command
radiant oar
brass contraptions have a really weird stun mechanic irc. The spiked balls they shoot are like charged attacks that you cant disable. But they can still be stunned and you can prevent their ball attack from starting by stunning them before they charge their spiked balls
bright palm
if you get like 80 of them you can oneshot the entire map
tepid wolf
Even a fungus god engi works
bright palm
engi with nkuhans and a rejuve rack uh
tepid wolf
You literally cover quarter of the map in fungus
chrome hedge
I still take Frag Grenades with Commando in my runs since the first 2 stages are the deadliest when running Eclipse mode
thorn flume
any character with a couple banjos, 57 leaf, crit, bleed and bears will destroy the first loop
tepid wolf
And aegis
bright palm
its pseudo unstoppable
rancid remnant
what is a good number of daggers to have?
tepid wolf
7
chrome hedge
Grenades for the ground mobs, and save Phase Blast for the air ones
thorn flume
9 for captain i believe
tepid wolf
Yep
steep acorn
10 mult
tepid wolf
Bleed blows on loader, acrid and artificer don't forget that one
bright palm
you can't stun greater wisps and normal wisps die incredibly quickly making brass contraptions the scariest enemies
thorn flume
that new bleed boss item is very good too if you get a boss item drop thats pretty much a must
radiant oar
I actually have not tried commando eclipse yet. I will say the one thing grenade has going for it is band procs, short CD, and being able to charge 2
tepid wolf
Shatterspleen is insane
chrome hedge
yeah you can really only run a bleed build on Acrid and Artificer if you also take Purity
which is actually a viable item for those two
rancid remnant
aye, I did i build like that with commando, got killed out or nowhere on stage 14(drizzle) trying to grab the red chest in abyssal depths
i want purity so bad but my skills are crap
tepid wolf
Flamethrower can stack bleed well but flamethrower becomes suicide later on
bright palm
acrid still gets a good benefit from bleed, being able to kill enemies with only one or two poison procs and having the bleed finish the enemy off
tepid wolf
Purity is good on arti, merc, loader and acrid
You literally never take it on anyone else
sullen stirrup
chrome hedge
I've taken Purity on Commando and Huntress Β―_(γ)_/Β―
radiant oar
how could you
chrome hedge
0.5s Phase Blink and 1s Phase Blasts are funny
sullen stirrup
huntress with purity is amazing if you have phase blink
bright palm
its just not the benefit any character with super high attack speed and bleed can do since acrid isn't going to stack 100+ bleed without a crowd funder
thorn flume
If you're having trouble surviving just stack lots of mobility and bears
radiant oar
okay thats kind of fair
chrome hedge
Purity makes any already short (2s-4s) cooldowns hilarious
tepid wolf
Purity is also nice with slicing winds
radiant oar
its make eyes of heresy really good too
like you basically have an infinite machine gun
bright palm
Engineer is probably the worst character for purity
radiant oar
that is true, i mean more for characters like acrid who might like having eyes on top of purity
thorn flume
purity on loader is so much fun
bright palm
oh yea, definitely
tepid wolf
Loader is fun but it started to get boring after a while
bright palm
2 purity and a hardlight puts your cooldown on nothing for thunder gauntlet
radiant oar
purity and the band changes alone made a lot of characters either even more viable or more fun to play
thorn flume
I never get tired of spoderwoman 1 punch
bright palm
it certainly buffed the blastshower
tepid wolf
Loader feels a bit too strong it makes the game a cakewalk generally
chrome hedge
Do not want to do again:
thorn flume
wow
tepid wolf
Charged/thunder punch literally win you the game by themselves
chrome hedge
how do you manage 3 Pylons at once?
radiant oar
bandolier?
bright palm
either brainstalks or bandolier
radiant oar
yeah
chrome hedge
to be fair "wisp killer" is a good role to have
tepid wolf
Being a one button character loader can feel quite dull
bright palm
you can throw it out to proc stuff and deal with crowds while you punch a boss
who will also be targeted
its really helpful if you need to get death mark procced
thorn flume
I just enjoy having insane mobility right away
tepid wolf
The pylon deals very little damage so it is good for lems, beetles and wisps
bright palm
not to mention how much it helps when you have wake of vultures
if you have good crit, it'll help keep predatory instincts stacks up for you as well
tepid wolf
The only real reason for arrack speed on loader is the shorter charge for the utility
thorn flume
you can use the pylon as a sort of catapult to get out of bad situations or start off each level with a huge slingshot
bright palm
I think you're forgetting loader's passive
thorn flume
attack speed in early levels is good, later not so much
bright palm
high attack speed lets you get massive amounts of barrier and maintain it with ease without require too many brooches or high healing and an aegis
boreal thistle
man, I played for 62 hours and STILL couldn't be bothered to memorize all the teleporter spawn spots haha
tepid wolf
Right now it is not worth to punch things with M1 later on
Since the charged punch just instakills everything
boreal thistle
which often leads to cluelessly running around like a headless chicken and wasting time
thorn flume
I think normal m1 punches are good on monsoon for building barrier early on and tanking bosses
bright palm
with attack speed, it lets you tank bosses well into later stages
obviously don't stand still and do it
thorn flume
right
tepid wolf
Loader is still technically "melee" so she has the increased regen, HP and armor
bright palm
but running around and punching a boss really fast while moving fast lets you get insane amounts of barrier and taking very little actual damage
this doesn't actually work for mithrix
tepid wolf
Or you can just use a charged punch to kill them nearly instantly
radiant ingot
so how is acrid really supposed to play, if im not allowed to use melee or even the leap
he feels rather weak in contrast to the rest
tepid wolf
Thunder gauntlet suffers from the same streamlined gameplay like charged punch
steep acorn
you can melee til like stage 3 unless u get really good items for melee
bright palm
you melee weak enemies but otherwise use your skills to hit and run enemies as acrid
steep acorn
past that its all about the poison
tepid wolf
Poison can carry bad runs
radiant ingot
how though, is poison going to help me vs strong enemies
steep acorn
well yea
tepid wolf
It deals 10% max HP over 10 seconds
steep acorn
poison is capped at 5000% dmg per second
bright palm
poison does a percentage of enemies health so it scales well always
steep acorn
unless youre fighting a mountain shrined overloading worm
tepid wolf
Or your damage if it higher than 1% of their HP
steep acorn
poison will kill anything in 100-120 seconds dpeending on enemy armor
tepid wolf
So it melts wisps, lemurians and beetpes as well
steep acorn
no matter if you dont have a single item
thorn flume
yeah poison mixed with bleed is amazing
radiant ingot
2 whole minutes to kill a boss?
bright palm
it actually does enough damage that one poison proc on the newt will get you kicked out of the shop
tepid wolf
Guaranteed
steep acorn
how much time does it take commando to kill an overloading worm without items?
i bet much more than 2 minutes
radiant ingot
nevermind stuff like that, im concerned with the first few stages
steep acorn
every survivor has more than enough dps to take care of bosses before tp charges in first few stages
tepid wolf
For the first 2 or 3 stages you can still melee even with base kit acrid
steep acorn
good to melee too to mitigate wisp damage with regen procs
tepid wolf
Regenerate from his M1 is super good early game
steep acorn
very safe to melee golems, beetles, lemurs
radiant ingot
also is the 2player scale rough?
today, so far, was the worst set of monsoon runs for me
tepid wolf
Oh and he is technically a melee character so he has much more regen, HP and armor
steep acorn
acrid is nice on two players you can give the other guy all the crit/bleed/bands/syringes/onhit items that you dont use
thorn flume
some days just b like that
radiant ingot
isnt acrid like made for bleeds?
steep acorn
no
tepid wolf
No
haughty vigil
no
steep acorn
poison doesnt proc bleeds or any onhits
radiant ingot
one no is enough
steep acorn
give acrid on kill items, like guillotines, wisps, etc
bright palm
the thing is with melee characters is that there are a lot of enemies you don't want to be close to that melee characters have to be close to. Acrid has a weaker melee abilities but has one distinct advantage over all of the other melee characters. Poison.
radiant ingot
pls name the skills because i rebound half my keys
chrome hedge
Epidemic
steep acorn
imo acrid shines more in multiplayer because he doesnt need offensive items as much so u can funnel all the other items to your team
chrome hedge
I just call stuff M1, M2, M3, M4 for this reason
tepid wolf
He is still pretty good single player
steep acorn
oh yea for sure
chrome hedge
even if not standard people never seem to be confused about what those refer to
steep acorn
its just a bit annoying having to m2 snipe wisps and not have your huntress or commando do that stuff for you
radiant ingot
i think im also just getting frustrated when i play multiplayer because half the time im walking over already opened chests
bright palm
Poison is the strongest DoT status effect in the game and lets acrid do significant damage to all enemies and he never has to directly engage anything ever do to how acrid can apply it. you can poison a high health enemy, run away, and apply poison to that enemy again when it runs out
steep acorn
i wouldnt recommend quickplay though lol
radiant ingot
because everyone is loader and be like yoink
tepid wolf
Quickplay is not a great way to play multiplayer
steep acorn
playing with strangers is probably a lot harder than playing alone
chrome hedge
already opened chests need to fade out of existence by default
tepid wolf
You can use the LFG channels for multiplayer here
radiant ingot
ive been playing with a few people but only today it's been some bad luck
otherwise it was aight so far
steep acorn
playing on voicecomm with friends is easier than solo monsoon imo
chrome hedge
honestly I think multi Monsoon is harder
tepid wolf
You still play with random people but people use voice chat here
radiant ingot
i didnt use quickplay btw, people from this server
chrome hedge
If one person dies it all kinda goes to shit late game, or on final boss
especially when he steals dead player's items too
tepid wolf
Commando is also better in multiplayer
steep acorn
i feel 2 people is easier, 3 aroudn the same, 4 may be harder
tepid wolf
Since his lack of AOE can be covered by someone else
radiant ingot
ive been having the most luck with captain and mul-t so far. but holy shit is their slow movement a chore
chrome hedge
Red Whips best Captain item π
tepid wolf
Mul-t is not even slower than other characters
His sprint animation makes him feel slow
Captain's M1 is pretty busted ngl
chrome hedge
mul-t is also way too susceptible to knockback
radiant ingot
both characters have like low movement in general, like acrid has leap, mercenary has movement skills, huntress has movement skills, loader has grapple, etc.
tepid wolf
Hacking beacons and his utility are also insane
chrome hedge
for how large/heavy the character is
bright palm
his M1 is probably strong to make up for the fact that his beacons can only be used twice (or not at all on two stages)
tepid wolf
Captain has his microbots for defense
radiant ingot
ive won with captain several times, but the rest only on drizzle or rain
bright palm
microbots are insane and can potentially softlock huntress I think
I'm not sure if this patch fixed that
steep acorn
multiplayer can be a chore when mithrix yoinks the bots yea
tepid wolf
Negating mushrums, brass contraptions, worship unit launch pads, elder lem fireballs, lem fireballs, magma worm magma balls, vagrant projectiles is really good
bright palm
or metamorphisis
tepid wolf
In general captain has a super good kit except his M2
radiant ingot
im not even bothering with mithrix
steep acorn
m2 is an auto reset which is nice
tepid wolf
He has the strongest M1 in the game currently
radiant ingot
is it heresy to say i find the bossfight boring?
steep acorn
well its ur opinion so u do u
bright palm
probably not
radiant ingot
it's a suuuuper long walk there without a bunch of hoofs and energy drink and it's not even a very engaging fight
restive thorn
doesnt that just make the fight more passive tho duke
steep acorn
phase 4 monsoon is still an afk on ramp experience
bright palm
tasers are good on elite elders since doing 10% of their health is actually pretty hard to do before you can tase it again
tepid wolf
Mainly he has the super fast ramping like aurelionite
steep acorn
no it doesnt make phase 1-3 more passive
tepid wolf
Phase 3 is scary and needs you to pay attention on rainstorm and monsoon
steep acorn
its just the same fight but the punishment for getting hit is your healthbar is gone
where drizzle you could probably just not give a shit about his slam attack it wont do that much to ya
tepid wolf
Making him hit hard makes it a lot.more high stakes
bright palm
I am lowkey happy and sad that mithrix doesn't get a shadow clone like providence
tepid wolf
The shockwave after his normal hammer slam on stage 3 deals like 5k+ damage
steep acorn
i do prefer the mithrix fight, providence i think was too easy
tepid wolf
And bypasses OSP but is easy to dodge
tepid wolf
It's nice that he is his evil brother
bright palm
I don't know why we're fighting mithrix at all, he didn't do shit
rugged garnet
Mithrix is some dude with a hammer who happens to be related to providence, but other than that he's just there
rancid remnant
i totally agree on that point
tepid wolf
The fight is super cool still
steep acorn
mithrix wants to genocide humanity and other planets to spite his brother, but, how did the survivors know about that in the first place
tepid wolf
Like it was an amaying fight for the first time
rancid remnant
fun fight, but outside of the logs, who is this guy? we dont know
steep acorn
they dont have a reason to go to the moon unless theyre telepathic
bright palm
unless they also read the logbook entries for the lunar items, they don't know what mithrix is planning
steep acorn
whats wrong with not giving your creation sentience
tepid wolf
He probaply got inprisoned on the moon
steep acorn
if theyre not sentient they cant complain about not being sentient
tepid wolf
He is scared of it rebelling
Aurelionite had the most free will of the creatures and got banished to the gold portal realm
steep acorn
mithrix did nothing wrong pre providence's betrayal
all he did was get salty over providence's sonic ocs
cerulean badger
Stone Titan just went "I like ya cut G" and ended my run
bright palm
to be fair, aurelionite showing up during teleporter events is quite helpful, and if he showed up during the final fight, I think he'd be a big help
steep acorn
and throw worms in a well as a little kid whatever
tepid wolf
Providence liked worms
restive thorn
idk captain after dealing with pre-patch blazing titans I don't mind any bs that comes towards me
it traumatized me
tepid wolf
Old alloy worship unit also gives me PTSD
steep acorn
blazing titans were truly epic
tepid wolf
And old commando
steep acorn
things did iirc 40x the burn damage they were supposed to do every tick
tepid wolf
His phase round was even worse and his R didn't scale with attack speed
bright palm
aurelionite and worship unit pre nerf were pretty scary in later stages
restive thorn
it was something stupid like burn proc stacking every frame the laser was on you
tepid wolf
Aurelionite still scales really fast but not like old times
restive thorn
so if it sneezed on you, you just crumpled and died
tepid wolf
Mythrix also shares that super fast scaling
bright palm
stage 8 aurelionite was... nightmarish
god, I'm glad that fast scaling isn't applied to the last phase anymore
steep acorn
single tick of the blazing titans laser got mults from full hp to like -4000/2000 hp
bright palm
it lasts like
a minute now
it used to be five and if you got touched you died.
you probably still die if he touches you but the darts no longer cover your entire screen
tepid wolf
Overloading brass contraptions have been a menace from the start
bright palm
*brass contraptions have been a menace from the start
tepid wolf
Getting oneshot by a overloading brass contraptions on stage 4 is kinda bs
steep acorn
also overloading worms used to make entire screen black lol
steep acorn
yea but u still die cuz u cant see where u going lmao
tepid wolf
Currrent magma worms are pretty annoying
If they chomp you there is a chance you fly to the sky
bright palm
the plasma balls deal 60% of the damage the initial hit did and a normal contraption can already trigger your onehit protection
overloading ones get the bonus damage and they deal a second, guaranteed hit
tepid wolf
Magma worms sometimes deal insane knockback
bright palm
blazing contraptions are dangerous for the same reason
tepid wolf
Overloading ones are a bit more dangerous
bright palm
yea
bright palm
you want to move fast just because of them, mainly
bright palm
like sure, there are other super scary enemies that can kill you in one hit, like bison, greater wisps, elder lemurians, and parents
but brass contraptions show up on 4 different stages
tepid wolf
Bisons, parents, greater wisps are a lot easier to dodge
bright palm
yea
tepid wolf
Elder lems are super fast and surprisingly silent
bright palm
parents and elder lems are pretty quiet and decently fast (and parents can't be stunned)
tepid wolf
Elder lems are almist certain soom if they ambush you
Especially elite ones on stage 5 mean you need to freaking run
bright palm
you either have good damage or you avoid them entirely, yea
tepid wolf
Elder lemurians are also pretty persistent
bright palm
honestly, if you don't have the damage, get a blackhole and throw them off the edge
something that is nearly impossible to do with brass contraptions
tepid wolf
Wisps are mostly chip damage but they are hitscan
And they can't shotgun you anymore with OSP
bright palm
I meant to type greater wisp, lol
they're easy to dodge but they can kill you in one hit
they also can't be stunned
tepid wolf
Shotgunning in general is gone
Greater wisps are flying bags of money
Same with bisons on the ground
bright palm
"Just don't get hit" is good advice for those two since its super easy to not get hit
tepid wolf
Bisons are enlarged beetles
bright palm
bison will miss you on their own most of the time
getting hit by an overloading bison will get you killed later on but that means they have to actually hit you
tepid wolf
Depends on what overloading
bright palm
overloading bison, oops
tepid wolf
Clay templars are also hellish especially if they are elites
dull ingot
Getting oneshot by a overloading brass contraptions on stage 4 is kinda bs
@tepid wolf get good and stop crying. its not ''bs'' just dont get hit and u wont die
tepid wolf
Ah yes you kinda forgkt things can spawn behing you
Brass contraptions have been a menace since the beginning
If you see them in front of you are fine
dull ingot
thats why you are moving 100% of the time
bright palm
its hard to dodge something you don't see
tepid wolf
Brass contraptions are super high priority targets
rancid remnant
I dont get all the hype over brass contraptions. I've been killed by one a grand total of like 3 times over 80 hours
tepid wolf
After 100+ hours they still are a menace
dull ingot
sounds to me like people are just bad and want things to change to their benefit, i dont even remember the last time I died to one of those let alone on stage 4
bright palm
I don't get killed by them a lot either but when they hit you, you notice it
tepid wolf
Depends on character
They don't hit you often but if they do you will lose most of your HP
dull ingot
and thats wrong?
tepid wolf
You usually need to focus your attention to the contraptions leaving them out if your sight can lead to a bad time pretty often
dull ingot
theyre easy to dodge , if u are bad/distracted enough to get hit u should get punished for it
spark narwhal
you can also hear things spawn as well.
dull ingot
^^
spark narwhal
wisps and brass contraptions have a very distinct sound they make when spawning.
bright palm
they're just a scary enemy that requires focus to deal with
they're one of the reasons why stage 5 is such a scary stage
tepid wolf
Contraptions are also pretty tanky
spark narwhal
pretty much the rule of thumb is that flying enemies should be focused on first.
dull ingot
i really dont get whats the big deal with the contraprions, most of the times I dont even worry about them, unless im on a high stage (past first loop) with little to no mobility which is very rare, otherwise i just let em be. If youre are moving and strafing 100% u will never get hit by one
bright palm
Jellies can be a problem if you don't deal with them
dull ingot
wisp are far more annoyinh