making blight stack and work on melee
#gd2-nullified
stable tiger
upbeat gorge
Gen fixes did it
copper wing
I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's not really like.. good?
upbeat gorge
But as I said, other changes aswell
steep acorn
you can reach every newt altar in game with no items on acrid
copper wing
The lockdown of it is kinda rough for typical dodging, and in general it's not as good compared to merc or loaders options
upbeat gorge
The one on scorching acres
steep acorn
he can reach that
dull ingot
^
upbeat gorge
Really? I never managed to get it
stable tiger
whats gen fizes
upbeat gorge
Tried multiple times
stable tiger
*fixes
steep acorn
where u jumping from
upbeat gorge
General fixes, it's a mod by rein (the guy who made sniper)
steep acorn
theres like a ring i jump from, in like the middle of the map, shift into the wall then shift again to get up
stable tiger
is that good or bada
upbeat gorge
The problem with the mod is it has basically no config
But it has some good changes
stable tiger
also is the blight like you said stacking and melee
upbeat gorge
it's really fun imo
I just don't like some of the other changes
the one that I have the most issues with is the only one you can config though
so that's good
upbeat gorge
stable tiger
and how do i install it
celest tinsel
is there a mod that improves drone ai? atm they seem to like staying at the opposite side of the map when ever they can
upbeat gorge
this is as close as I know of https://thunderstore.io/package/BasilPanda/DronesInheritItems/
celest tinsel
oke doke
errant yew
have there been any new patches that have come out? i havent been playing very much since 1.0 launched with a bunch of random bugs
gilded marsh
What bugs?
dull ingot
only 1 that adressed the comedy island and fmp crashes (and something else probably)
soon there'll be released another patch, you can find details about it in #test-branch-feedback
gilded marsh
I havent really seen any bugs yet. Theres a weird animation with ranged projectiles in multiplayer lobbies if you arent host but that's all I've seen
errant yew
alright i'll come back in a week. i decided that the game would be more fun to play when merc's dash worked properly again and some changes to mithrix were made
severe chasm
It's fixed right now in the test branch
And last phase with Mithrix is way more fun
errant yew
so is it fixed for me also or just in the test branch?
errant yew
ok thanks
severe chasm
np
granite shard
stage 4 ifrit's distinction let's gooooo
No damage items except tritip and ifrits and everything dies
double mountain shrine (overloading worm) done and done ez
only need to shoot enemies to half health and they just die from DoT
should mention its swarms
thorny forum
@severe chasm where i can find test branch patch note?
tranquil lake
Has anyone encountered a 1 hit glitch?
I was running a Mul T protection build and was up to 22k health and got one hit at the start of wave 18
nothing until that point did more than 5k in one hit so i doubt it was intended
Im thinking its because the game lagged or maybe void reaver just ignores protection?
fallen crow
it wouldnt ignore it
dull ingot
void reaver ignores osp, if a void reaver dies to a void reaver explosion the second one is invisible
might’ve been that
tranquil lake
oh maybe
granite shard
void reaver is an instakill
you could have 5M hp and youd stll disappaer unfortunately
and yeah there's a bug where sometimes the explosions can be invisible
errant yew
i've been playing on the public test and mercenary feels so much better. my faith in the game has been restored
also is stacking purity a good idea on merc? i've only tried him with 1 stack and that helped a bunch
errant yew
i wouldnt take purity when im going for a god run but it helps alot when fighting mithrix
red echo
if you're relying more on things you can get to a 100% chance for damage purity can get pretty nuts
but if you're mostly dealing damage with proc items it can kinda gimp you
errant yew
i dont usually play with lunars but ive been experimenting with them lately
something i didnt realize is how much a brittle crown helps in the early game its insane
granite shard
mercurial rachis is really good early on tbh
red echo
defiant gouge is actually busted
granite shard
seems like that's a thing with lunars
great early on but not so much later
id like gouge a lot more if i saw a single other thing in the bazaar ever
red echo
everyone sleeping on how actually OP that item is
errant yew
lunars can be really strong whenever as long as you have the right build since they are all really situational
exept for gestures. gestures is always a hack
red echo
gesture and defiant gouge both basically have no downside
granite shard
well defiant gouge has pretty hardcore antisynergy with chance shrines
personally i just find it annoying but early on its pretty nuts
red echo
does it really, tho
granite shard
depends if you want to fight seven combat shrines
or have raiding the chance shrine take 2 minutes instead of 20 seconds
red echo
the only realistic downside I see to it is it makes blood shrines a little suicidal tbh
errant yew
even though i stopped using shaped glass long ago, im kinda sad that it got nerfed. it was always nice to have the insanely broken option available if you wanted
red echo
nah fuck glass all my homies hate glass
memes aside i'm glad it got nerfed tbh it was too op
granite shard
its like 1000x as entertaining to use now that it's actually dangerous
errant yew
it can make a run hilariously stupid killing enemies with one bullet
granite shard
you spend the entire second/third loop just thinking 'oh shit oh shit oh shit'
errant yew
i think im gonna start going for eclipse runs now that most of the bugs are gone. i've played monsoon so much so its time for something harder
untold yarrow
after you finish eclipse come back for dilluvian 😉
errant yew
ive heard about that mod and it sounds terrible
red echo
syzygy is nightmare fuel
errant yew
i should really start playing with mods now
untold yarrow
syzygy is the nightmare, dilluvian is doable
you just have to be good at pacing, lke leaving stages on time matters ALOT more
that and damage management/target management to counteract the hp regain when out of combat for the bosses
errant yew
im pretty solid with time management. i just dont want to die to random bs more often than i do already
untold yarrow
idk i like this game hard so i've been cranking ror2 at 13, there's 5 elites by default but my runs have 11 now
errant yew
yea im approaching 300 hours on the game but i still mix up item affects and miss-stack stuff
untold yarrow
it happens
twilit garden
when i try to play with mods with friends, it always says that my game version is outdated. All of the mods are up to date so is there any common problem im doing wrong?
granite shard
long as you all have the exact same mods there should be no issue
dense geode
I finally got the long road, and a bunch of monster logs, that was the craziest run i've ever gotten
azure patio
need help with r2modman plz it a time out istoue
frozen heath
Anyone have an autohotkey script for double rebar puncher? Which would hold R as well for you when you hold left click
dull ingot
do we have news on console update?
dense geode
i heard someone say around autumn, but i dont think thats right
scarlet lagoon
dont need dios if u dont get hit 🤔
tiny surge
do it
thorn oak
dio is poop it does nothing
tiny surge
your heals dont matter
radiant flare
he
had 5000hp
this is making me insane
and he's getting even harder soon
if I dont do it now
I dont think I'll ever do it
ornate crest
is there a differnce between loader's grapple fists other than the alt being just an upgrade
does like the regular one have range?
raw glade
same grapple, one does damage.
placid echo
You might enjoy swinging around a lesser wisp
dense geode
pulling them in and bash their head feels gratifying
stable tiger
whats the best strat for prismatic rn
fallen crow
dont take dios
placid echo
There’s a chat about that
stable tiger
its entirely emptty
placid echo
They’ll know fo sho
stable tiger
i just need to unlock harverters scythe idc how its done
uneven whale
hi
fathom finch
Does Mithrix no longer drop his items?
sharp arrow
I remember hearing something about an artifact that makes every shrine spawn enemies like a combat shrine. I can't find anything about this though, is it real?
errant yew
its not an artifact, its a lunar item you can find
sharp arrow
Oh which one?
errant yew
i have to go look up the name since its a wierd one
red echo
defiant gouge
errant yew
^
stuck meadow
acrid and multi are both inhuman characters
they both don't fall from the sky in a pod
except for rex, who fall from the sky in a pod anyways
make rex pop out of ground
bright palm
actually hitting mithrix as loader is painful
winged briar
charged punch
bright palm
I like thunder gauntlet better
stiff wind
Wait PS4 dosent have 1.0
languid yarrow
consoles won't get it for at least another 2 months
bright palm
I'm not surprised I died on this run since you're definitely not supposed to rush the boss
loud scroll
mithrix sucks
im confised on if youre supposed to reliably beat him on stage 6 or if the devs dont mean for you to beat him regularly
dense geode
2 months nOo
tulip kayak
Void fields almost fucked up my run
obtuse lava
tesla coil elder lemurmarins?
tulip kayak
paul's goat hoof has been integrated into the cell
jellyfishes have been released from the cell
red whip has been integrated into the cell
clay templars have been released from the cell
chronobauble has been integrated into the cell
obtuse lava
while i get beetles and lemurines with 5 pauls goat hooves as my biggest enemy
eager cargo
woo took a few weeks of playing but i finally unlocked rex
all i got left now is cap
eager cargo
thats the teleporty guys right?
winged briar
i just got into void fields with my friends, said "no sense in waiting" and then proceeded to die from 4 elder lemurians at the same time
they're still alive tho
polar anvil
Nice
winged briar
i feel like that'll be quoted in my friend group for a really long time
polar anvil
Yes
twilit garden
Elder lemurians in void fields sounds like hell
narrow gate
big sad story coming up: just lost a run with 2 reds (one was a disc) under 5 mins
why am i utter garbage at this game
this run was litterally the game saying stop fucking up and beat monsoon for once and i said no
delicate moat
monsoon is tough but you are tougher 
narrow gate
❤️ thanks guys
thorn vector
any cloud gaming services is supported to risk of rain 2 ?
terse sparrow
i just need to unlock harverters scythe idc how its done
@stable tiger you have to complete a prismatic trial
terse sparrow
lmfao didn't check the timestamps 🤷♂️
it was the first thing I saw when coming in
narrow gate
does anyone in this discord do coaching?
dull ingot
I think the best coaching you'll get here is "git good"
But in summary
Macro: rush through stages 1-3, farming is discouraged due to low spawn rates unless lucky with combat shrines
Micro: never stop moving, repositioning > attacking unless you can guarantee the kill
quartz saffron
keep jumping
dull ingot
keep shmoving
terse sparrow
also learn what targets you should prioritize
upbeat gorge
alright so the skills plus plus mod can get very silly with mult's saw
for anyone who wants to have an interesting time, set it to a point every level, and do double saw mult
only upgrade the saw
after about 8 levels you start being flung across the map at high speeds
upbeat gorge
the only ones I know that support s++ are rob's characters (twitch, aatrox (currently broken with s++)) and classic items
upbeat gorge
tommygun with s++ is very fun
frank drum
Yeees
upbeat gorge
so hyped for the next patch for ror2 so I could use my scepter without the other classicitems
pearl wagon
artis more of a damage fast type of a character
upbeat gorge
acrid's changes in general fixes imo make him way more fun
those being melee hits apply poison and blight acts like bleed
with those 2 combined, it makes melee damage so good that it is worth using
safe river
question is the scrap cannon viable now?
upbeat gorge
yes, but it's not quite as good as double rebar or nailgun
dull ingot
always has been
upbeat gorge
also a tip for anyone wanting to do double rebar on pc
switch the R and M2 buttons around
then you can hold m1 and m2 to switch and shoot as soon as you can
instead of m1 and r which is more awkward
dull ingot
sad that you can't bind them to one button
upbeat gorge
yeah
dull ingot
dead cells flashbacks
upbeat gorge
atleast not without macros
proven pewter
||has anyone ever died at moon detonation??||
quartz saffron
most likely
quartz saffron
even without mobility skills or item, chars can make it back
but accidents can happen, like getting caught by a reaver
or falling down and wasing time
proven pewter
reaver?
quartz saffron
void reaver
proven pewter
oooh the crab thinggies
quartz saffron
if they hit you 3x with their attacks you can't move
proven pewter
that bullshit
lapis cosmos
I used to dislike mul t but he’s been putting in work for me
I basically need a few goat hooves tho
pearl sage
mult best n1
2 equipment op
LONG RANGE REBAR SHORT RANGE NAIL GUN OP
stun gernade op
lots of health op
lapis cosmos
He has built in armor too
pearl sage
op.
lapis cosmos
You can also do a lot of loadouts on him. Double rebar is the one everyone says is the best and they act so pretentious about it
polar anvil
saw nailgun is best.
lapis cosmos
“Yeah if you set up a macro it performs slightly better than rebar nail”
polar anvil
or double saw,whichever you prefer
untold yarrow
y'all havn't played multi till you've played flaming shuriken multi
lapis cosmos
Only problem with mult is he feels kinda slow
untold yarrow
enough equip cd to keep dragon egg active + holding your m1 with nailgun or buzzsaw = flying shuriken/nailshooter
you can keep using those two primaries while in dragon egg. solves the mobility too 😉
lapis cosmos
Lack of burst mobility can be kinda wack
south stratus
hey
dire mauve
Mul T has never really clicked with me
But Artificer on the other hand
Now that is a fun charecter
tiny surge
nail gun saw works the best for me tbh
nail gun's accurate enough and when i just wanna see how fast i can kill shit, saw
ashen ice
can you bind multiple keys at once?
like mul t r to left click
and still be able to shoot
stoic geyser
Why wouldnt you just hold r and left click?
restive bolt
So is there a consensus yet on if shield generators fuck you or not?
raven lichen
8% health up pretty good, if you're in a situation where you are regularly getting hit to 10% or less health you are probably behind the clock and going to die anyways
I think a much bigger concern nowadays is vultures replacing half your health with shield... If you aren't built for it, it feels like half health time. At least shield is all on top. At least it doesn't leave empty health anymore though
radiant flare
if I loop once what time should I try to get to Mithrix by
on monsoon
usually non loop I'd try to go for 30mins
raven lichen
I would focus less on time and more on your items, especially if you are already looping. If you are surviving but constantly getting hit really low, Mithrix might be rough. If you are pretty effortlessly looting stages, you should be fine. At 50 minutes 200+ items should be enough to just liquify him before he can do any wacky stuff
Just make sure you have sufficient movement speed because its pretty important in the early phases of the fight, but you can steamroll stages with low movement if you have enough damage.
radiant flare
yeah ok thanks
I'm merc so mobility is already pretty good but I'll gladly take some Energy Drinks
random laurel
eclipse is everything i hoped terraria master mode would be
tiny gorge
Command artifact gives you whatever item you want..?
tidal reef
Yes
tiny gorge
Oh, I was answering [adult swim] guy
lapis cosmos
@random laurel true
spark narwhal
captain without m1 is harder than I thought can't use primary or shift without m1 bond. lucky these enemies can't see me behind this tree.
random laurel
like i just realised that eclipse has 8 modifiers and none of them are just “enemies have more health or do more damage” which is literally the only thing in master mode
spark narwhal
terraria master mode is ass.
halcyon patrol
Yay I finally got mercenaries skin!
maiden willow
why the fuck do so many things just do absurd damage
maiden willow
i would be if i didnt get 1 shot
lapis cosmos
What survivor
maiden willow
loader with shaped glass lolol
lapis cosmos
No wonder
maiden willow
ik it makes me hella squishy but srsly
lapis cosmos
Shaped glass is washed
maiden willow
those bell things are busted
lapis cosmos
Brass contraptions?
maiden willow
yes
lapis cosmos
They suck
But elder lemurians are worse
I don’t know why they made elder lemurians do so much damage
spare valve
maiden willow
oh my fucking god, literally no shaped glass this time just 2 fire big lemurians spawn in and 1 shot me full hp
fuck this shit
radiant flare
some items I couldnt be bothered to do
or didnt know enough about to form an opinion
dull ingot
tfw red whip's old sprite
radiant flare
lmao
lapis cosmos
Is that ghor’s tome at the bottom
dull ingot
yes
lapis cosmos
Wtf that’s really good tho
untold yarrow
lol no
dull ingot
that's why making tierlists is a bad idea
lapis cosmos
Are we talking about the same item lol
untold yarrow
yes
dull ingot
everyone have different opinions
lapis cosmos
Also some items that people would consider bad can excel in certain situations
And vice versa
The reason why I like ghor’s tome is that in the long run it pays for itself
steep acorn
honestly
a single band is more dmg on loader than a single glass
those things arent balanced on loader lmao
lapis cosmos
It’s not amazing but I’ll take it over quite a bit of other greens usually
steep acorn
ghors tome is nice on eclipse
lapis cosmos
Medkit is deec now
steep acorn
medkit with stealthkits is nice, or just with merc's iframes for example
lapis cosmos
I think that steal phase needs some changes
Sometimes it just becomes so stacked against you
nocturne nymph
Dio’s best friend is the main course
rugged garnet
Fresh meat is a decent early game item. It's in a pretty good spot if you ask me. Perfect "Less desirable" item. Makes the better items like medkit feel good
And besides, It's amazing on acrid
Although, I do think that the stacking of it is meh
granite shard
medkit is actually legit good now, like monster tooth. both scale with your passive health scaling too
it's a big chunk of healing for such a common item
fresh meat is hot trash past stage 1/2 because of how fast survivor health scales, and its healing doesn't scale at all. even on huntress each level adds 27HP, which is a lot of time to fresh meat to recover that
rugged garnet
I think that every item should be good if stacked to an extreme
Meat doesn't stack that good at all
lapis cosmos
Wax quail moment
rugged garnet
I think that every *white item should be good if stacked to an extreme
lapis cosmos
How about actively detrimental when stacked a lot
granite shard
they used to be bad because it was flat values, flat values are bad due to how rapid scaling is. this is why monster tooth is often preferable to cautious slug (which is a much better fresh meat)
rugged garnet
Maybe if fresh meat's regen intensified with each stack instead of duration increased, that would be better
But they are still nice early game items
Slug, and meat are good for stage 1 and 2, and that's fine. Just scrap em once you start looping
granite shard
if fresh meat healed more it would be more than fine
10 fresh meat would still only heal 20hp/s though which is still eh
10 monster teeth is healing 10% of my HP which is typically much more than 20*3 and i can get many in one go
steep acorn
razorwire and a plate is the greatest earlygame item duo
fuck wisps
get off my screen
lapis cosmos
Scythe is the exception to that of course
granite shard
scythe scales marvellously because of its crazy synergies with other crit stuff
more attack speed = more healing
plus the numbers are big
we're not talking four more healing over two seconds like meat, we're talking four healing PER HIT (except the first ofc) which can be dozens of times per second
rugged garnet
Scythe's healing isn't much late game, but by then you're dealing damage so frequently that it doesn't even matter
vale sigil
goat hoof and sprint drink should be switched
rugged garnet
Like, give a scythe to capped crit commando and you're golden
granite shard
scythe is good because of frequency of hits
if you have low attack speed it's really not that great, but that's why predatory exists
rugged garnet
But someone like acrid wouldn't really benefit
maiden willow
pog mastery and the calm on loader
sly oxide
some items I couldnt be bothered to do
@radiant flare chronobauble should be much higher for the simple fact that it gives you one more debuff to stack for death mark, soda and hoof should be swapped, focusing crystal is only ever A tier on melee survivors, razorwire should be higher, stealth kit should be higher, key should be higher, dios should be much lower, guillotine should be lower, meat hook should be S, spine should be B at best, and health kit should be at least A
granite shard
its like how on artificer i want crit but i don't really care for any of its synergies, the shatterspleen is alright for the explosion but the heal is meh and attack speed is worthless
sly oxide
also yea ghors tome should be much higher
granite shard
chronobauble should be slightly higher. you only really want one
lapis cosmos
Wait meat hook below lele?
When you have hook and you see ukulele: “what is this, crowd control for ants?”
sly oxide
meat hook is an easy S tier
granite shard
also ATG not being S tier can you imagine
best damage scaling in game as many as i can please
sly oxide
atg should be S yea
granite shard
fungus for some reason is B-tier? despite being useless on all but one survivor
lapis cosmos
Atg is one of the items I’m most excited to see
granite shard
unless you count blood shrines as a synergy which i barely do
hopoo also in b tier for some reason despite the fact they're near-mandatory for long runs
a-tier minimum
polar anvil
Are you discussing woolie ratings on items?
granite shard
guillotine definitely not so needed anymore, bump that down to A
rose buckler also not so hot, pretty survivor-specific
sly oxide
bungus is f tier on everyone except engi in which case its mandatory
granite shard
also no the rating chart up above
polar anvil
Link it to me
sly oxide
i wouldnt even put guillotine in A tier
granite shard
sly oxide
yea on everyone except engi
granite shard
yeah! sit still for two seconds on any difficulty outside of drizzle and see what happens
radiant flare
@radiant flare chronobauble should be much higher for the simple fact that it gives you one more debuff to stack for death mark, soda and hoof should be swapped, focusing crystal is only ever A tier on melee survivors, razorwire should be higher, stealth kit should be higher, key should be higher, dios should be much lower, guillotine should be lower, meat hook should be S, spine should be B at best, and health kit should be at least A
@sly oxide I should have mentioned this is from the perspective of a merc main
granite shard
its healing is outdone by a single lemurian, bungus is trash
dull ingot
@granite shard sorry, but i can actually hide
polar anvil
Lol the sac dagger isn't in S somehow
dull ingot
and not stand still in the open
sly oxide
ok that literally only explains the focusing crystal placement @radiant flare
lapis cosmos
Tbh lists for one character makes more sense
steep acorn
i wouldnt take purity on merc outside meme builds
lapis cosmos
It’s more easily applicable to gameplay
steep acorn
merc procs good
granite shard
and not stand still in the open
@dull ingot lmaaoooooo, rude
having to run and hide instead of actually just healing normally is also not good
because monsters will keep spawning and whatever damaged me so bad is still there
there's a reason scythe is so good and it's partly cause it encourages you to keep fighting to heal, to reduce threats
im not just letting go of my keyboard, but there's a lot of lost opportunity and intiative with running to hide and then sitting still. easily 10s of time spent doing nearly nothing to actually heal up 20%. 3s run, 2s hide/still, 5s heal is less than 20% of my health
mossy burrow
hidden 5% crit is good too
dull ingot
how many scythes do you need to outheal bungus, lets say, on merc or arti?
time isn't that important btw
lapis cosmos
Doesn’t matter, you can move with scythes
dull ingot
if you like minmaxing, sure
lapis cosmos
That’s enough of an advantage
granite shard
depends on the difficulty. if i spend 10s each fight im losing hard.
one scythe because i am healing all the time with it
granite shard
10? just two glasses will do
lapis cosmos
^
mossy burrow
ppl really talking down on the scythe lol
granite shard
but fine -- two medkits is roughly equivalent healing and much more accessible. because it's every like 2.5s if i take a tiny bit of fall damage
monster tooth is mass healing with a number of monsters and i can keep fighting with it
lapis cosmos
And if you get a glasses printer that’s a gg
sly oxide
if you like minmaxing, sure
@dull ingot moving and dodging isnt minmaxing 4head
granite shard
there's a reason they buffed desk plant, which used to be roughly equivalent to bungus
and it's because desk plant was HORRID at such a low amount of healing
10% /s is enough to make it viable and useful, and that's cause the area is bigger so youre not locked down while you use it
dull ingot
it was in reference to him counting how many seconds it will take to heal with bungus @sly oxide
sly oxide
its 2 seconds
sly oxide
yea clearly since you seem to be playing a completely different game
lapis cosmos
dull ingot
easily 10s of time spent doing nearly nothing to actually heal up 20%. 3s run, 2s hide/still, 5s heal is less than 20% of my health
this
oh no, you lost 10 seconds
granite shard
who said im a he
anyuway, you have to get somewhere safe with bungus, as you rightly pointed out. idk how long that would normally take but it's not going to be a one second deal if you're midcombat. then you need the healing to actually trickle in. its hard to see how it would be less time than that
10s is a big deal if i have to do it more than once. five times is about a minute and that's a huge loss early on
let's clarify: i'm talking about monsoon, it's pretty relevant. if we mean a different difficulty then sure i see your point
medkit >= tooth > slug > bungus (for white items)
mossy burrow
standing still is like 80% of the reason why i die
why would i purposefully want to stand still
dull ingot
who said im a he
i said; if i'm wrong, correct me
10s is a big deal if i have to do it more than once. five times is about a minute and that's a huge loss early on
as i said, time isn't that important, even on eclipse
i'm talking about monsoon
so do i
granite shard
standing still is like 80% of the reason why i die
@mossy burrow this game is fundamentally about avoiding damage, is why :D
this is why goat hoof and feather are so good. why people like eviscerate over slicing winds (iframes).
dull ingot
@mossy burrow don't stand in the open
mossy burrow
time is the most important aspect in the game
dull ingot
i can pull off some consistent heals early on with bungus despite being "swarmed" by enemies
granite shard
they is good, especially if unsure (like anon forums :D)
time is pretty important. kinda what the whole game is based around
I notice a big difference between 3 and 4 minute stage one. not irreversible, but if im three minutes late to stage 4 or 5 my game is much harder
dull ingot
time is the most important aspect in the game
someone obliterated with spending 20 minutes on each stage on monsoon
granite shard
the fact that that is an accomplishment shows a lot about how important time is, no?
dull ingot
it was crescendo iirc
polar anvil
Crescendo is the masochist
Waiting for syzygy 20 minutes a stage
steep acorn
link to vid ?
granite shard
because that's not standard, at all. every piece of advice will tell you to find that balance between 'loot everything' and 'loot nothing'
what is syzygy? i keep seeing references but not sure what it is? like diluvian+?
granite shard
christ almighty
dull ingot
@steep acorn i don't think there's a vid, but here's a screenshot
@granite shard sure, 20 minutes is an exaggeration, but at least 7 minutes per stage is completely doable
south stratus
hey, this seems like a normal chat
granite shard
point is, the fact it's any time at all makes it bad.
it's a lot of wasted time and extra risk compared to every other healing item -- the payoff of 4.5% is just not enough compared to other items which do that or more for in less time and less effort.
medkit is 5% + 20 (early on, that's 10% on average) and will proc off of tiny hits like wisps. monster tooth adds up fast with lots of monster spawns and allows me to be proactive instead of having to retreat.
its the defensive nature of bungus that makes it weaker than other heals. part of why i dont like slug is how long it takes to do anything, but its nice if you truly need to run away, you can make space and reposition while the healing comes in.
i can't do anything when bungus healing is happening. it's costing me opportunity. sure, i can and will use it if i have to, it's not insufferably poor, but other options are simply better and easier to use. id even rather have a leeching seed which i do think is pretty weak as well.
that's my take. if it works for you, it works, but i think it's just not comparable to the other items in terms of output and opportunity cost in using it. i'd rather use any other item. i gtg now but was a good chat
@south stratus lmao it were
dull ingot
that's my take. if it works for you, it works, but i think it's just not comparable to the other items in terms of output and opportunity cost in using it. i gtg now but was a good chat
sure, seems like we just have (very) different playstyles
bye, hopefully we'll meet again here
sly oxide
out of interest whats the best youve done in a game glub
copper wing
So what started the bungus discussion?
lucid birch
i wonder , what would be the best build for the captain ?
i mean the good old classic proc chain works wonders , ukuleles and ATG for the win but
i think that maybe he works best with some oneshot builds ?
im talking about mostly avout command runs
steep acorn
like you mean building around shift over m1 ?
copper wing
Loader is probably the best bet for one shot builds
lost cargo
So I've been spreading poison for the last hour with Acrid and the challenge (spreading poison to 1000 total) hasn't unlocked
young prairie
You can view your progress in the Achievements section of the logbook iirc
Also, make sure you aren't using blight, just in case
lost cargo
Blight seriously doesn't count?
dull ingot
yes
lost cargo
Why is that even a thing?
dull ingot
well it says poison, not blight
past kelp
i played without command on for 2 runs and both ones i get to like stage 4-5 then die to a cluster of 20 enemies because i dont have enough consistent power to kill things and live as loader
lost cargo
Both are a type of poison
rare light
Are questions related to mods allowed here?
dense pumice
Allowed, yes, but you'd be much more likely to get an answer if you ask on the actual modding discord
rare light
Where can I find the link?
dense pumice
On top of thunderstore
rare light
Alright, thanks a lot!!
lost cargo
Is it normal to fight 2 Mithrix at the same time?
dense pumice
With Swarms, yes
random laurel
do people actually think leeching seed is good
dull ingot
No but I get it anyway
past kelp
its decent on acrid bc it procs on his poison
slate fog
leeching seed is weak but at least its not the daisy
granite shard
leeching seed is okay but it scales horribly
id honestly prefer daisy cause at least that heals 50% of my health instead of 0.125%
dull ingot
@past kelp it doesn't
random laurel
yeah i actually prefer daisy over seed
granite shard
it will proc on poison but like... one time lol
if it doesn't even do that it's a bit sad
slate fog
i just despise daisy with a passion
random laurel
the fact that seed directly competes with scythe is really sad
granite shard
both are scrapper fuel
dull ingot
it only procs on the initial hit
past kelp
scrapper go brrr
slate fog
though seed can be even worse depending on the character you are i suppose
granite shard
seed on artificer
random laurel
artificer main
past kelp
yikes
dull ingot
poison itself can't proc anything
random laurel
my biases are explained
past kelp
but it isnt a prof
slate fog
nah nah, think of all those heals off the flamethrower though
past kelp
proc*
slate fog
lul
past kelp
when you deal damage you get 1 health per stack
slate fog
thats 22 sweet sweet healing right there
granite shard
tfw one monster tooth
slate fog
smh can't compare gray items to green, thats just ridiculous
but yeah medkit and monster tooth are freakin sweet now
dull ingot
poison has proc coeff of 0
slate fog
the initial hit from acrids special procs though
granite shard
yeye i meant the initial hit
and ye don't @ me medkit is one of my fav white items atm
dull ingot
that's what i said
slate fog
i won't, its sweet
dull ingot
@granite shard yeah
dense pumice
10 medkits
slate fog
get thrown down to osp health, run away and let medkits bring you back to full
random laurel
oh wait yea
granite shard
its so sweet
love seeing the HP chunk right tf back up after a big hit
random laurel
oops lol i had a rejuv rack last run so my math was a bit wrong
granite shard
unbelievable rejuv rack synergy
random laurel
still real nice item
dense pumice
Rack + Corpsebloom, each medkit is 40% heal 🙂
slate fog
rejuv rack just gets better and better with the buffs on the healing items
granite shard
but making medkit take 3x as long to heal you q:
slate fog
corpsebloom bad 😠
dense pumice
Not 3x as long lol
granite shard
2s to heal you
4s to get the healing
dense pumice
2s
granite shard
oh yeaaaah i forgot my corpsebloom ordering
random laurel
corpsebloom isnt amazing but i kind of like the weird synergy it has with n’kuhana’s
slate fog
i feel like it would be great if i ever built tank but I always tend to move towards an extreme glass cannon build
granite shard
doesn't help that my natural response to corpsebloom is to violently fold like some sort of depressed omelette
i do not like
slate fog
partially because thats how i play and partially because that's just how the game is after you loop far enough
granite shard
yeah tanking doesn't feel great when damage scaling is so high
dense pumice
I mean, if you're just aiming for Stage 6 Mithrix, the Corpsebloom downside is pretty much non-existent
slate fog
yeah i still haven't gotten my head around what is good for that and all that stuff yet
granite shard
i had like 20K hp going into stage 3 mithrix and he still near one-shot me (OSP), tanking feels bad. still need a meme command run for the fat 1M hp
corpsebloom is pretty legit loop 1 but cleansing pools are rare and it feels bad after that
dense pumice
Yeah, I can't even remember when was the last time I did a run that went further than Stage 8 lol
Probably when Commando skills came out and I had to do Incorruptible
granite shard
most of mine are, i don't enjoy ending it before that because im addictde to taking my runs too far
beyond stage 15/20 is straight dull depending on the rng though
i do plan to do a really long run to get lots of clovers and aurelionite log tho
random laurel
im working thru eclipse right now so all my runs are mega short
dull ingot
hey guys this is my tirliest for the epic gaem risky rain 2 pls rate and subscrib
dense pumice
🤔 Pretty good, except you should probably put Lunar Equips in a different tier 😏
dull ingot
@dense pumice they're blue tho
dense pumice
I know, I'm just joking. Couldn't come up with anything better
past kelp
oh
dull ingot
i just threw them all in
past kelp
why are most of the reds just lame
steep acorn
when will there be a tier list sorted by color of actual item and not outline
dull ingot
never
dense pumice
Whip is Red guys, says so in the name 😏
past kelp
colorblind people just see yellow whip
glacial vault
he's red-blue colorblind
arctic belfry
Will Preon Accumulator spawn randomly after getting to the chest once or is only way to get it is through this chest?
dull ingot
it will spawn randomly
dense pumice
Yes it will spawn through normal Equipment Barrels and such
arctic terrace
loader gets cucked really hard by armor late game huh
turbid dome
arctic terrace
ngl my wisp mask is doing more dps
median flume
Is it just me or does the test build version of ||Mithrix|| do the opposite of the intended purpose of the rework in quite a few scenarios?
|| Due to the inability to overwhelm Mithrix, it just kind of guarantees him the ability to actually /use/ items, which leads to the boss fight being more-so like "Here's a Personal Shield Generator!" (death) I kinda feel like it would require too many item bans for it to work in a "fun" way.||
steep acorn
i think its fair in the sense that most survivors can cheese mithrix, but it isnt fun gameplay to just sit on a ramp and move backwards to avoid his needle shots
the item bans are pretty good, except, probably need to ban coil so mercenary and loader have a fighting chance if he takes a coil
median flume
||I couldn't exactly cheese him in this scenario because all I had was Mul-T's pea shooter||
steep acorn
long as u keep hitting him without taking damage yourself u win, youll eventually get items back
his attacks are all dodgable
median flume
I guess, some situations like barbed wire make it hard to use that logic, though
steep acorn
razorwire is banned
dense pumice
Having a Captain in a multiplayer game and giving Mithrix Microbots feels terrible for other characters.
median flume
Ah. I guess I had an odd situation where Mithrix could just snipe me then
steep acorn
if youre far away from him you would need something to block the heresy shots mithrix has
if youre closer you can sprint to dodge
u can also use the ramp to block it while being on top of the ramp
like the angle he has to use to shoot at you, is blocked by the bend of the ramp
median flume
I was just sitting atop one of the pillars lol
I think I just didn't react in time
steep acorn
oh yea pillars arent safe u have to move backwards on one of them to block it
at edge he can snipe ya
median flume
Did they change how Mithrix attacks? I didn't remember him doing the spike attack instantly
||The last phase starts at 0:35||
||I also forgot to drink tonic lol||
steep acorn
its a pretty fast proj speed
dense pumice
It's pretty much the only attack he does Phase 4 now iirc
radiant ingot
welp i got my shit busted by a malachite
steep acorn
i t hink they need to remove more of the 'undodgable' items
radiant ingot
then again, first time playing acrid and i have no idea how tf im supposed to deal with 4 vagrants on stage 6 :v
steep acorn
like mithrix should not be able to deal damage to you, without hitting you with one of his attacks first
i think on beta urn was removed, i think tesla isnt banned yet, maybe nkuhanas can be an issue with like a medkit if your survivors cant keep hitting him to keep medkit down
genesis loop is probably fine, its dodgable
arctic terrace
huh mithrix doesnt do balls now?
steep acorn
he does, pretty sure
mystic mural
how does captain do against mithrix?
steep acorn
he takes nanobots so ur dps is lowered, but otherwise same strat can be used as other ranged
hit from afar, use cover for heresy attacks
dull ingot
and don't bother with orbital probes, they count as projectiles
steep acorn
if u arent running double hack the equip/heal beacon can be nice for final phase as well
primal imp
is there anything you can do against mithrix when he gets microbots and you're playing arti/acrid in mp?
steep acorn
unlucky
mm, perhaps he shouldnt get microbots
for the sake of making multiplayer not awful lol
dull ingot
0.75
dense pumice
Isn't it 0.7?
pearl hedge
It's literally 0.7 per arrow
dense pumice
x3
dull ingot
proc coeff doesn't increase with number of attacks tho
dense pumice
Proc coef does not, but it does act as 3 shots with 0.7 proc coef
pearl hedge
Let's not
dense pumice
Yeah it doesn't, but in most cases it's close enough
dull ingot
let's
pearl hedge
I pretty much agree with close enough statement
stable tiger
so whats best setup for a royal capacitor gesture
tidal reef
Fuel cells and some crit glasses
tidal reef
Mobility and defence are more important than damage with Eye of God yeah
dull ingot
is there a decent "git gud" guide for this game? kind of lost with all the hidden stuff
also I totally suck - further I have got is to mithrix s3 before he turned me into a pancake
tidal reef
I would give tips but I'm not sure where to start :/
stable tiger
eye of god?
tidal reef
Eye of God is the capacitor gesture setup
stable tiger
ah
whats the best character for that? it seems like arti might be good for the ability to shoot into the air and rain hell
tidal reef
Imo arti and Merc are good choices but mult also has merit with the two equip dood if you want to switch it up
Slots
Autocorrect
glacial vault
i can't get over the fucking colorblind comment
vague comet
Playing as Mercenary
Overloading Brass Contraption spawns
Guess I'll die ¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid ingot
Just spam Rising Thunder until it hits the skybox ezpz
subtle talon
I've seen people talking about buying the soundtrack and getting wallpapers, where could I find that purchase?
dull ingot
not sure about wallpapers but you can buy the soundtrack on the composer's bandcamp
https://chrischristodoulou.bandcamp.com/album/risk-of-rain-2-4
@subtle talon
native quest
hello guys, ask me a question: can the enemies of the last boss that appear in the last phase appear elsewhere or not?
languid yarrow
Maybe with the Dissonance artifact? But otherwise no
steep acorn
family event rarely
languid yarrow
Oh 
Do you know what the text says for that?
steep acorn
"the bulwark begins to falter"
languid yarrow
snap, that's rad. didn't know that.
native quest
Maybe with the Dissonance artifact? But otherwise no
@languid yarrow
ok, thanks for the tip , abraço
safe vapor
steel fractal
I managed to get both the Mithrix and commencement logbook in one multiplayer run today which was nice
also, the team had a total of 6 glands between us so we just has an army of bugs, and then Mithrix had an army of bugs which was less fun
steep acorn
mithrix can also succ the bugs with mired urn which wasnt fun, thankfully fixed on beta
but uhh multiplayer he had 4 urns and 4 beetle guards to succ off of
very epic phase 4
we all died
steel fractal
phase 4 becomes s u c c
sacred cosmos
Drugs
distant urchin
sacred cosmos
Yea i just printed for predatory and fireworks lol
Went mithrix and got clapped Ngl
tame mulch
how do i beat that boss with 5 purity? T_T
finite swallow
you cant
sacred estuary
Yeah Purity can softlock the artifact stage
They fixed it in the testbranch and the patch should be live soon
somber yarrow
i dont like how much my ultimate power was dependent on the coil
without it as you can see in the first few seconds of the fight im pumping out above average damage
then one rng dripping item shreds everything automatically
dense pumice
Gamepedia. When you go to fandom, it will literally tell you on top that it has been moved to gamepedia
sharp arrow
Awesome thanks
wispy bay
Yo, I saw this on the wiki, can anyone back it up cuz im just a bit skeptical of it
novel sorrel
I can vouch for it being a different bleed effect but ill need to do some testing for the death mark thing
wispy bay
the death mark thing just sounded weird to me, but i also find it hard to believe that someone just made it up
novel sorrel
Ill test it really soon. Should have an answer within an hour at least
polar anvil
@wispy bay it can't be separate debuffs as using both tritip and spleen only inflicts two bleeds,not 2 separate 1 stack bleed
wispy bay
Ok, don't feel obligated to do it just because i asked, I was more of just wondering if anyone had an answer to it off the top of their head as I figured I would test it out myself if no one knew. But i appreciate the help with it 🙂
polar anvil
Though. Testing would be appreciated
dense pumice
I highly doubt they count as separate debuffs for Death Mark
wispy bay
I was pretty shocked to see it on the wiki, because it didnt seem intuitive
polar anvil
Yeah, but if it's true it's another reason why spleen is best
So please test
polar anvil
Good to know
severe chasm
They have to be different debuffs
Shatter and Tri tip both apply the same one seperately
Similarly to Rex's default utility and primary not making death mark proc with just 2 other debuffs. Same debuff just from a different source.
crimson glacier
My day has been a hoard of many overloading elder lumarians on stage 4 and jelly fish with runald's on a very good void run.
granite shard
man i want to like and play the mithrix fight so bad it's really cool but even with a good run hitting just one orb in the last phase kills me instantly, full to -500
and with four medkits i absolutely had to keep hitting him or he'd get all his health back
it's just atrociously unfun unless you get a hopoo feather as your last item so you get it back immediately, to allow for easy dodging of the orbs which are pretty unpredictable when they loop around
probably just gonna stick to obliterating and forget about eclipse
i cant decide if the best strategy is to be up close to get items quick (and have some fun but die in one hit probably) or to hang on a ramp and have the fight be mind-numbingly dull as i snipe him for tickle damage until i have all my items
anyone have any tips outside of just camping a mile away? its valid as rex or mult but not captain so much
quartz saffron
wouldn't it be possible to kill him before he finishes taking all items if you have a preon or a capacitor?
granite shard
I try to not cheese him because they're removing that
like, i CAN but id rather not since it's going anyway
but the 'dying instantly' thing seems likely to stay
loud scroll
Phase 4 is pretty poorly desgined and i hope the changes they are making make it better
granite shard
i kinda feel like he should get at most one stack of your items
might make the whole 'fire tornado instadeath' thing go away somewhat
prevents guaranteed bleeds or missiles killing you
loud scroll
Honestly i think the phase 4 scaling is way too high he has too much helath and does too much damage when you get reverted back to nothing
granite shard
well that's the change they're making
the health is going way down, massively reduced scaling
and the damage is dropping slightly too
however, a strategy im about to own him with: if you have no damage items it doesn't matter
i have ONE
an ATG missile
this guy gonna get owned
nvm got killed by wisps because i literally was unable to damage an elite one
feelsgood
right im officially tilted see y'all later
blissful quiver
Bruh how long have cloaked chests been a thing
Because I have never heard of them until now
quartz saffron
since start
but obviously you won't always see them
most of the times it's either by accident or you spot them during a tp event
or perhaps after using a 
silent forum
lime basin
Does anyone have any idea as to how I can fix this? The vagrants just kinda up and left so I don't know whether I'm softlocked or what
I'm on ps4 if that makes any difference
dull ingot
Yo, we're making final phase easy cause it's pure horseshit.
Also, he's invulnerable and he can steal items from engi turrets (we said "minions" but lol, you know what we meant)
Oh joy.
pseudo zealot
yea I used to cheese him with eng that was fun
dull ingot
Also 20 degree mother fucking cone?
I thought his bullets were just heat seeking.
Not he was just spraying and praying and always one shotting my itemless ass.
pseudo zealot
yeah fr and it was annoying cause I went so fucking slow without items I couldn't escape him at all
kindred schooner
They still are heat seeking tbf
Just that they won't actually surround you from two sides and force a hit
dusk flame
So is there gonna be a season to like update road map in the future
fading talon
what about it ?
fading crown
Morning fellas, just wanted to vent a bit. It's obviously something intended, but I was on a duo with a friend that went Captain and I was Artificer against the lass boss. Long story short, he died earlier and with his microbots stolen not one of my attacks could do damage since they were blocked by them, not matter how many times I attacked
Pretty frustrating, not gonna lie
Anyone have tips against that kind of situation or is it just gg from there?
limpid briar
Flamethrower/Ion Surge can damage Mithrix, probably.
arctic belfry
Is there any hidden differences between tactical dive and tactical slide on commando? There seems to be no reason to use dive rather than slide, slide has way more mobility
fading crown
I was going with Ion Surge and I did try that just to get killed immediately lol
Tactical slide is much better, no hidden differences that I know of
broken ginkgo
@arctic belfry I prefer slide myself, the pros what dive gives you is better mobility in the air and ability to send yourself into space similar to merc m2
rugged garnet
Generally speaking slide is better, but some people prefer dive for a few of its perks
Commando's skills are mostly just one is better, but not to the point that personal preference is ignored. If you feel like dive is better than slide, or frag is better than suppressive fire, go for it. But phase round is objectively worse
broken ginkgo
Sup fire and Frags are a pure preference
rugged garnet
Yes. I personally take sup fire for the guaranteed stun and ease of use, but frags are nice for triggering bands
broken ginkgo
Don't forget how powerful frags become with 
broken ginkgo
Each bounce will trigger it
rugged garnet
And does each enemy caught in the explosion generate another explosion too?
broken ginkgo
each grenade bounce triggers , it results a crazy dmg
rugged garnet
And i'm guessing it takes the base 175% value and not the x4 value for each bounce
when calculating behemoth damage
broken ginkgo
Most likely 4X, cant say if it's 100% true, mainly cus everything just died very quickly
Should check it out
rugged garnet
Grenade definitely has the higher potential for damage compared to sup fire early on, but with attack speed I think sup catches up
broken ginkgo
Frags deals 700% dmg holds to 2 and has 5 sec cooldown
rugged garnet
although if your aim is bad only 175%
broken ginkgo
Sup fire deals 600% without attack speed items with 9 sec cooldown
rugged garnet
Yeah, 1400% total is definitely more than 600%
broken ginkgo
It's now an issue when you hugging monsters
rugged garnet
but because sup fire scales with attack speed, maybe after a few syringes, war horns, or predatory stacks, sup fire might do more in total?
broken ginkgo
When it comes to mid-late game both benefits from different items
granite shard
suppressive fire is far better later on due to attack speed scaling and proc chains, which are commando's specialty
massive range over grenades too (especially lategame)
limpid briar
But Suppressive Fire doesn't bring anything new to the table in Commando's kit.
It's literally just M1 but more range and always stuns.
rugged garnet
I feel like sup fire benefits more from what m1 and m2 benefit with, but grenade benefits from damage boosting items like atg and bands
quiet socket
Is there a way to downgrade versions?
rugged garnet
So taking grenades might help for shorter runs
hearty jasper
Any tips for mercenary
im trying to work towards his mastery achievement but im like super super bad with him
rugged garnet
and partially reduce commando's item dependency?
granite shard
shorter runs are for sure a grenade thing, for bands too
lategame there's no question as to which is stronger as sup will proc lots of items and kill everything often by itself
limpid briar
Suppressive Fire's cooldown is 9 seconds. By default, Suppressive Fire fires out 6 shots, each shot dealing 100% damage; totaling to 600% damage.
There is no cooldown on Double Tap, his M1. By default, his Double Tap fires out 6 (2x3) shots a second, each shot dealing 90% damage, totaling to 540% damage a second.
If his M1 totaled the amount to Suppressive Fire's cooldown (9 seconds), then Double Tap would've fired 54 shots shots with 4,860% damage.
Also, you cannot use Double Tap while Suppressive Fire is active.
rugged garnet
Not to mention that suppressive fire is wayy easier to use compared to frags
Point and shoot vs 4d chess
broken ginkgo
It is question cus of bands, ukulele.
limpid briar
Suppressive Fire has no penetrating properties or AoE control.
rugged garnet
Suppressive's got good AoE control if you fling your mouse around to stun multiple targets
broken ginkgo
It's only 6 potential targets at best and each only took 100% dmg
rugged garnet
In fact that's most of what i use it for. Stunning crowds I don't want to deal with
limpid briar
That's not AoE though, that's Crowd Control.
broken ginkgo
Frags will just do the job
rugged garnet
oh right
granite shard
yes, grenades are better early where you lack AoE, they're also reliable band activation
however, past loop 1/1.5 the sheer scaling of suppressive fire (base higher attack speed means it scales rapidly) and its ability to cause massive proc chains spontaneously makes it far better
i dont want to be in grenade range lategame
both are valid but equally they both have a particular niche, one of which is a burst of activations and the other is a burst of damage -- it's preference
rugged garnet
I will admit the main reason I use suppressive fire is because I am not good with aiming grenades
limpid briar
If you're not within grenade range while playing Commando then you're losing damage of both his M1 and Phase Blast.
broken ginkgo
WHy you wanna snipe as commando? esp when alt m2 is a thing?
rugged garnet
I also tend to go on god runs rather than try to beat mithrix/obliterate
early game commando is almost like playing melee
get in close to minimize falloff and maximize alt m2 damage
granite shard
who said snipe? im well aware you play up close early on, im not insane
but like the grenades are thrown, i can shoot people from wherever i like
the flexibiltiy of sup fire later on is more valuable to me
severe chasm
Y'all are forgetting a variable here. The objective of the run
rugged garnet
Yeah
granite shard
i did say that grenades are better early and for shorter runs, so i dont think i am
severe chasm
Boss kills and looping are totally different things
rugged garnet
Grenades are good for shorter mithrix runs, sup is good for long runs
rugged garnet
I usually take sup because I like to try for god runs
granite shard
^
severe chasm
Nades make commando way more consistent in the early game but suppressive fire is insane with attack speed and uke
broken ginkgo
For long runs frags benefits from completly different items, so it's still debatable.
dull ingot
GRENADE GANG GANG
granite shard
id rather use ATG with my proc chains than from grenade for a slighter bigger ATG
rugged garnet
Out of all the survivors, commando's default kit suffers the most from not being able to target more than one thing at once
severe chasm
By then you will hopefully have an equipment that can proc bands
broken ginkgo
I always use frags, if you got good early-mid game the rest run will speak for itself
rugged garnet
Grenade solves this problem for the early game
severe chasm
I love commandos frags
rugged garnet
In the late game, procs solve this problem instead
granite shard
like six ATG is preferable to one ATG imo
im not even gonna debate using grenades early anymore i covered this
we are repeating ourselves
broken ginkgo
So does your m1 and m2 does for procs?
limpid briar
By the time, you're in late game or past first loop, you don't even need any other ability besides M1 due to the sheer amount of items.
rugged garnet
Why don't i just make a document full of arguments for one or the other
severe chasm
Remember that items scale off of base damage
granite shard
its mostly taste but grenade is objectively better early and suppressive fire is better for proc chains later
pretty sure that covers all of it
severe chasm
An ATG that procs from grenade will do way more than one that procs from sup fire
Its pretty neck and neck imo
If you are going for looping
limpid briar
Although, it's only one chance to proc of it per enemy of a 175x-175x(4x) per Grenade throw compared to Suppressive Fire's (base) 6 chance to proc it of 100x damage.
granite shard
much more consistent ATG from suppressive fire
this is the artificer debate
are proc chains from one big thing better than a small thing lots of times
severe chasm
But for win streak boss kills definitely go for grenades for more early game consistency
broken ginkgo
For procs sup fire is better than frag, yes. But it's isnt an issue in late game cus your m1 already insanely scaled thanks to procs. Again Sup fire is just m1 with 10% more dmg, 20% firring speed
severe chasm
This isnt the arti debate
broken ginkgo
While it has 9 sec cooldown
broken ginkgo
@limpid briar Does new patch mess up diluvian mod?
granite shard
its the same thing for this ability
is grenade better for one big proc or suppressive for multiple ones
which is entirely taste, again
here's the real catch: suppressive fire much more closely matches my enthusiasm for shooting things than grenade does, so i use that
limpid briar
No - I don't believe Diluvian is broken, but a couple of mods, I know, are broken because of new patch.
ShareSuite doesn't allow you to pick up any items.
Skins mod doesn't allow you to pick any 'main' profiles.
In the end, Suppressive Fire and Frag Grenades have different strengths and flaws; it all comes down to preference.
severe chasm
I agree that personal preferance is what it comes down to
granite shard
i already said this
imma go play rex instead lol
dull ingot
frag grenades are rad, and suppressive fire is not.
severe chasm
Have fun
carmine tree
I just try to start Merc monson run,
any recommend items for me?
does attack speed increase good for merc?
broken ginkgo
more attack speed -> more m1 hits, more m1 hits -> more exposed debuffs, more exposed debuffs -> better dmg and ability spam
granite shard
attack speed is nice as you can more easily get enemies exposed
focus crystal is very nice
carmine tree
ty guys
calm osprey
i love commando's nades, but being able to stun those asshole elder lemurians makes me take suppressive fire
carmine tree
focus crystal seems really good too
calm osprey
great on merc yeah
left steppe
Кто с артефактом управления по фану
broken ginkgo
@left steppe Eng pls
carmine tree
looking forward to see mithrix as merc
snow imp
• Fix scrap interaction with cauldrons
left steppe
@left steppe Eng pls
@broken ginkgo i want speak with my team mate
snow imp
no justice in this world
broken ginkgo
@left steppe than use #lfg-pc-ror2 to find a player
snow imp
oh i don't actually think the scrapper interaction was healthy for the game, but i miss all my free red items 😭
narrow gate
holy shit i am cursed in this game, I just lost a run with clover, 2 alien head and after burner and 12 atgs on merc
i shifted right into mithrix slamming down him hammer because the robot dude died before my shift hit him
winter island
bonked 😔
narrow gate
and this was all at like 20 mins so shouldve been easy
carmine tree
@narrow gate feel sry dude
narrow gate
@carmine tree once of these days ill win on monsoon, maybe 😦
that was like the unlosable run
i had consntant uptime on i frames
carmine tree
@narrow gate is Slicing winds usable in monson run? I just got unlock it
narrow gate
neever tried it, havent unlocked it
carmine tree
oh you should try now
command artifact in prismatic trials is much more easier than usual
narrow gate
I have unlock artifact first lol
carmine tree
random artifacts and conditions are set and can't be changed in PT
narrow gate
oh cool
granite shard
new healing colour is lovely
i can actually read them now
dawn hatch
Command is very good to unlock Slicing Winds.
Command + Glass is the dream combo to get that goddamned unlock.
stable tiger
im playing with artifacts Command Swarm and Sacrifice
i havent gotten a single item in 3 runs
nocturne nymph
that's rng for you : )
stable tiger
like its to the point of being possibly bugged
radiant ingot
say, here's a noob question
what, besides achievos, is the real point of obliteration?
isn't it more worthwhile to just see how far you can make it?
granite crag
If you want the lunar coins you obliterate
Also the game is very likely to crash if you keep going for too long
radiant ingot
probably not a huge concern to me yet since i only got 24 hours
narrow gate
have they changed the drop rates of the aspects? ive gotten 2 in less than a week
versed raven
noooo
worldly mantle
I went 165 hours of none to 2 in one run @narrow gate
15 more hours played since then and 0 drops
boreal thistle
I'm getting messed up on rainstorm cuz I'm bad haha
native hare
so after the patch
narrow gate
that was me when i started ror2
native hare
can monsieur mithrix still insta-gimp you
narrow gate
okay lads u just got aegis on rex 50 seconds into my run wish me luck
pog the combo aegis + bungus
steel laurel
i have such a bad need to beat this game once on monsoon its awful
sameeee
ive been playing on monsoon doing everything right nd I just cant do it LMAO
it's very sad
i jus wanna get the alt skins :((
narrow gate
i dont even care about the skins i just want to not be a loser
steel laurel
same actually
idk what im doing wrong w it tho
im keeping good pace, getting good items, always moving and such
but i just cant get past like stage 5
its so frustrating
fallow rock
did the all projectiles bouncing off enemies like captain's taser get fixt?
steel laurel
maybe
narrow gate
@steel laurel sameive died to mith a few times on monsoon, very sad
steel laurel
I havent even done mith on monsoon yet
idk i just wish i knew what i should be doing lmaO
narrow gate
okay guys update onmy 50 seond aegis run
steel laurel
oo
narrow gate
i now have that opinion thing that shoots skulls when you heal
on rex
maybe this is it
steel laurel
duuuude
good luck omg that sounds insane
maybe the game felt bad for u nd caved lol
narrow gate
ive been getting some really early red recently
steel laurel
ive actually been having awful luck today ngl, every run I did today I didnt get a single common on the first stage, only greens and only like 5-6
there just wasnt many items at all it was so weird
narrow gate
that shit shappens
welp i died
wasnt watching my hp when i used my special
lemurian blasted me in the back im sad
steel laurel
f
narrow gate
whats a good run to waste by being dogshit
tidal reef
laughs in 100%
steel laurel
I had 100%, long ago in the days of EA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
its insane how much the game has changed since tho ngl
i rlly wish I was good at monsoon tho lmfaO
steel laurel
I guess command could make things a lot easier but eh idk
I wanna have fun w monsoon rather than strategically choose my items and whatnot
then again a lot of the challenges for unlocks aren't fun at all LOL
narrow gate
i just want to prove to myself i can win
steel laurel
i feel that
tidal reef
it's quite the sense of accomplishment
I could never do eclipse tho >.<
steel laurel
oh yeah eclipse im not even thinking about
severe chasm
Eclipse just doesn't sound fun
I might give it a try if I get bored of Monsoon no loop boss runs
limpid vale
i didnt know they made mithrix immune during steal phase and got pounded
leaden light
His stats were butchered and the needle attack was nerfed, sounds fine to me
severe chasm
I have been playing it a ton on the test branch and it makes the fight WAY more fun
limpid vale
yeah its a good change but i just didnt expect it and thus got fucked
limpid vale
yh ill give it a read
sharp arrow
How much damage does artificer's burn do?
severe chasm
So I am awaiting feedback on the Lepton Daisy Rainy Day discussion so I want to prepare for the Chronobauble video. What do yall think of the item? I think it's incredible on Captain and for the Mithrix fight.
narrow gate
i actually might cry
on my way to kill mith dude, and i cant jump far enough to make it so i teleport and take a shit ton of damage and thne get blasted by the flying thing
im fucking cursed in this game my runs are s ogood then i dieto stupid shit like this
severe chasm
Always make sure to clear the bridge before going down
It's ended a few of my runs as well
arctic moss
I thought I was about to beat the game on monsoon and then I learned the hard way that if you pick up the wandering vagrant boss item then you're not allowed to win the game
severe chasm
As long as you get to cover before it blows it isnt bad
arctic moss
I was sticking close to him so I could still do damage
summer stratus
bauble can't stop mithrix from dashing around like an asshole, it's still useless
aside from death mark of course
severe chasm
I've found it really useful in the fight. It slows him by 60% so you can circle camp him
summer stratus
it's nice until he teleports in your face and bonks you for 99%
past sand
Get fucking dunked on, engies
No more cheese mithrix
severe chasm
I had a run on commando with very little movespeed and the bauble carried hard
You don't have to anymore
With the health cut you get items back very quickly
steel laurel
i just obliterated my first run ahhhhhh
defo wasnt deserved at all tho ngl LMAo
I spent 10 minutes grinding down the TP boss
I did it tho 👀
obliterated my first monsoon run*
severe chasm
Heck yeah gamer