Dmg and surviveability 
can work greatly on him
#gd2-nullified
broken ginkgo
broken ginkgo
Not all merc players use default R
dull ingot
brainstalks are still good (maybe even better) with alt r
broken ginkgo
Sure, yet with so short cooldown reduction I’ll rather take beautiful 
red echo
hardlight afterburner is still the best red on merc
shift combos except they never stop
stuck meadow
why is this allowed
red echo
f
frosty terrace
yeah, sometimes shrine of chance is facing right towards a pit and drop your items there
I hope that didn't happen
frosty terrace
break eggs
lunar pine
break the eggs around the map
stuck meadow
that down there could be a irradiant pearl
I'll never know
placid echo
can predatory instincts be stacked indefinitely or does it have a soft cap like some other items
zinc pumice
rip item
frosty terrace
predatory stacks infinitely
placid echo
i remember someone telling me to only get like three
frosty terrace
as far as I know, it's the best way to increase attack speed
if you have 100% crit chance
errant yew
predatory stops stacking after 3 stacks. you dont need more after that
ornate olive
2 guaranteed legendaries
formal umbra
Bruh
obtuse lava
command artifact too, what r u gonna get
frosty terrace
predatory stops stacking after 3 stacks. you dont need more after that
@errant yew I'm fairly sure this is incorrect
inland wigeon
The item description says “stacks up to 3 times” but that’s just referring to the buff it gives
Stacking the item increases the max amount of stacks i think
errant yew
"Gain 5% critical chance. Critical strikes increase attack speed by 12%. Maximum cap of 36% (+24% per stack) attack speed." got this off the wiki
wait im confused now. does the cap also increase when picking up more since i always stopped picking them up after 3
frosty terrace
yeah, you start at 3 stacks, following stacks give 2 more max stacks
each stack of the buff is 12% attack speed, you can have infinite stacks
errant yew
well i feel stupid after realizing this
i dont look at the exact item descriptions very much so this is a big revelation
mostly just based off the info i gathered when i first started playing
desert crypt
why when I try to join a multiplayer game the game is always already started ??
frosty terrace
yeah, I've heard other people complain about that too
matchmaking could use some work I guess, to prevent that
desert crypt
I literally cant play online
always started
where is the matchmaking µ?
allo bordel personne peut me dire comment je peux jouer en ligne sérieux ????
vague comet
I didn't realize until today that (some?) enemies take damage if they collide with environment at a high enough speed
Accidentally used REX's disperse on one of those wisp enemies, and it slammed into a wall, dying instantly. That gave me a hearty laugh for a second there.
polar anvil
wait till he finds out you can do that on AWU with merc
dense stratus
Can someone please tell me how OSP works? I'm sick and tired of going from 800 hp to -84 in 3 frames
and yes I checked the recent death, it is literally 3 frames
red echo
@polar anvil for maximum points slamming AWU you have to yeet him into the stratosphere team rocket style
austere obsidian
OSP prevents you from going from 800 HP to -84 HP in one frame @dense stratus
dense stratus
why don't they extend to atleast like 10 frames?
red echo
It's more like ~6-14 frames depending on your framerate
dense stratus
1 frame is absolutely placebo
red echo
(It's 0.1s)
glacial vault
I think its max of 3 stacks of Predatory Instincts as in the buff, each new actual item stack gives each buff stack +8% or so
So as opposed to 12% increase to attack speed per buff stack of predatory instincts, its 20% and so forth
dense stratus
that's still incredibly dumb, going from 800 hp to -84 in 3 fucking frames
paper grotto
does anybody know if the game's launch soundtrack will be present on the game?
true portal
what are you even "sacrificing" with artifact of sacrifice
true portal
good point.
guess shouldn't have assumed it's my sacrifice
pallid minnow
I don't like sacrifice
I just don't find it a win win for me (unless im in 4 player difficulty by myself)
true portal
sacrifice has the side effect that my friends are never ready to teleport, since they never run out of items to get
meanwhile I'm thinking we might as well just teleport when we find it and see what we get during the event
pallid minnow
I don't use sacrifice because I can't gaurentee getting items in a amount of time
sometimes sacrifice is nice, other times i get no items at stage 1 spending more than 5 minutes
pallid minnow
thats at least for early game (if you are not in any place that stops time)
also you get significantly less red items anyway
true portal
actually I think you just caant get lunars
I saw no pods with it on
and none dropped from monsters
hearty violet
oh
tall stream
So I did the gold teleporter event a couple weeks ago, but thing is I forget to pick up the seed item. Is it in rotation anyway or do I have to do it again?
gilded marsh
corpse blossom is good for runs where you arent going to loop too long. so maybe obliterate or boss runs
final shadow
Corpsebloom has it's uses, which aren't only limited to short runs
gilded marsh
I tend to find more success with burst healing later as everything is hitting much harder and you need your one shot protection
safe ruin
i finally did it 
second survivor that I've gotten everything for
really all I have left at this point is the monsoon challenges for everyone besides loader and merc
spark narwhal
red echo
limpid drum
tight stratus
stark burrow
just gonna put this out there. If Mithrix gets a happiest mask he can spawn a ghost of you when you die
solid viper
they should add a red item that allows you to control the speed at which lobsters die
dull ingot
same with scavs and void fields/
woven citrus
yall!! Now i just need to get his prismatic trial thing. Not looking forward to that😐
frosty terrace
grats
stuck meadow
how do you play merc on monsoon?
I just get destroyed by magma worm and swarms of brass contraptions
opal walrus
spam eviscerate
woven citrus
idk. magma worms are the least of my problmes. its the wisps that usually get me. or most projectile things.
i usually spam the dash when there are a lot of enemies and then when fighting a boss focus him then use evicerate
trim niche
Wisps will be a problem early game, yes: the best you can do is either take alt-R (which i've never used, so no tips there) or save your dash for when you hear their audio cue and then use it to blat a few of them
worldly blade
What is the spawn rate of Prototype on Rallypoint? I've been trying forever to buy it for Cap but it won't show up
trim niche
not terribly common
but at least it can be retried relatively often, being stage 3 and all
worldly blade
His alt costume is the best in the game
trim niche
if i had to take a complete guess i'd say it appeared 10% of the time i entered that stage?
worldly blade
Hmm, I must be just unlucky with it
dull ingot
Why must clay templars ruin all of my runs
woven citrus
i feel like mercs is prolly the best alt. I wish that the other alts were as unique as his. like a classic purple with yellow stars wizard outfit for artificer
tight stratus
Five blue portals, and no lunar equipment
frosty terrace
merc alt skin is really cool, but I like captain's too
woven citrus
yeah captains is pretty fresh
tight stratus
Cap makes bleed stacks and proc chains like it's nothing.
woven citrus
i need to try him sometime. so far the only two characters i have the alts for are loader and merc
spark narwhal
commando's alt skin is pretty good
woven citrus
yeah
spark narwhal
yes he is good
dense stratus
He seems kinda lackluster compared to all the other characters
spark narwhal
his alt m2 is amazing
he has amazing procing ability with all skills
if he gets some stun grenades he can perma stun enemies.
dense stratus
I've done monsoon with him and obliterated many times, but I can't really play him properly
spark narwhal
tactical slide is amazing
dense stratus
I have all alts because his default kit fucking sucks lmao
spark narwhal
default r is pretty good
dense stratus
I always find it i'm never doing any damage
even with like 4 syringes, it's always lackluster
spark narwhal
that's because commando has damage fall of at far range and he is proc focused so you need bleed, atg and other items to help him do damage
dense stratus
I always play super close to enemies
woven citrus
comando is epic. he isnt as flashy as other characters but just feels good to play
dull ingot
i got 38 hours and I can almost never get past stage 4-6 on monsoon, am I just bad or do I need more hours to actually get a good enough grasp to do it
spark narwhal
what characters do you play?
dull ingot
in monsoon usually huntress and merc
and huntress is known for being easy to obliterate on, no?
spark narwhal
she is the most fragile character in the game though.
spark narwhal
maybe try to make huntress a bit more tanky when going on monsoon in later levels.
so you don't always get one shot
dull ingot
I usually dont get one shot I just
lose
like ill dodge the contraption balls on stage five but theres a lizard right next to me, dodge that then theres a parent to fuck me
I just feel like someones ALWAYS wherever I go
spark narwhal
hmmm idk then
dull ingot
I think I just have a chronic case of the bad
dense stratus
commando's default r seems kinda garbage
dull ingot
I didnt think it was that bad
also I just feel like im really bad at knowing when to farm and when not to @spark narwhal
dense stratus
It did like 0 damage
alpine current
commando's kinda garbage
dense stratus
the grenade does 175 x 4 if you're any good at games, and supressive does 6 x 100
yet grenade feels better
dull ingot
doesn’t suppressive scale with attack speed though
dense stratus
suppresive does 6 x 100 default
I think it does, but i dunno how much
like does 1 extra syringe mean another shot?
spark narwhal
the reason I take suppressive fire over nades is because nades are only really good early game
and nades only focus on ground enemies
dull ingot
suppressive definitely scales way better than the grenade
dense stratus
how well does it scale though?
spark narwhal
I mostly like suppressive fire for the proc and the ability to stun elder lemurians
dull ingot
I mean, it’s essentially just a juiced up version of his m1 that stuns. procs items a lot, especially with some attack speed. The grenade falls off. Suppressive may not do a lot of raw damage on its own but that’s not what commando’s designed to do anyway.
spark narwhal
I really just like stunning golems and elder lemurians, frags are still a good alt for the immediate damage output increase.
dull ingot
nerf elder lemurians
dense stratus
elder lemurian ez pz to deal with tho
dull ingot
ye i just suck at the game
spark narwhal
no I want to stun elders so they can't get me when I am opening a chest.
rich mulch
can commando keep up with other charactersA?
dense stratus
can you actually get nkuhana's opinion by destroying the skeleton or does it only spawn?
dull ingot
dense stratus
is that a yea or a no?
rich mulch
why is thee so many mercenary players
rich mulch
i cannot stay alive on him
dull ingot
i cant obliterate on monsoon on ANYONE for that matter
dull ingot
YEP
I got to stage 8, was doing the final boss, got one shot by a stone golem
youll get better eventually
i was absolutely awful after 1.0 came out and had to get back into it, finally did
spark narwhal
when yall get to stage 5 on monsoon?
dull ingot
like 28 minutes or so usually
spark narwhal
its easier if you get there 20 minutes in.
peak shuttle
i've just discovered the joys of milky chrysalis/gesture stack 
spark narwhal
isn't that just arti?
spark narwhal
upgraded arti?
peak shuttle
basically
final aspen
🤔 I usually aim for 15-18 mins stage 4 and leave at around 21-22 hmm maybe I should just leave at 19
I usually do aim to farm for the legendary unless its sirens and I don't have the damage 🤔
spark narwhal
^ is the strat
final aspen
Everytime I get siren as cap I die inside
spark narwhal
every time I play cap I die inside, then I help myself to some commando.
cap makes me feel bad because I don't have a utility skill for dodging
and passive is kinda a bad dodge
final aspen
I'm okay with the no dodge ability tbh
I like every survivor but for the life of me I suck with Mul-T it's my least consistent one 
peak shuttle
why is siren bad for cap?
polar anvil
kill awu lol
final aspen
Also depending on what items I got of I don't have enough damage to chew through solid I skip the boss entirely to avoid wasting time. I do this for most chars though if I have very little damage items I just farm a few and bounce to stage 5 asap
I had a commando run vs solid which took me 8-10 mins to kill for.. a lackluster legendary lmao
*solus
peak shuttle
i think my designated unlocking stuff strat for monsoon is gonna be milky chrysalis/gesture stack. its so gross
it completely breaks the game
polar anvil
being fairy is broken?
peak shuttle
being able to fly permanently in any direction? i'd say so
i can just proc stuff from afar and fly into the sky to watch the havoc
polar anvil
i mean that means artificer with surge is broken
which she def isnt
get yourself a DML instead
peak shuttle
whats that?
and maybe im wrong, but artificer with surge isnt nearly as dynamic in the air
with milky/gesture you can literally just hover in the skybox and afk
polar anvil
disposable missile launcher
peak shuttle
oh
polar anvil
way more powerful than flying
peak shuttle
maybe, but i like flying lol
polar anvil
get hopoos and stompers
peak shuttle
i was doing it on drizzle just to unlock stuff easily but i'll try it on monsoon and see if its as broken
polar anvil
btw if you dash with milky in the ground you can take fall damage
peak shuttle
well considering i dont need to touch the ground with 100% uptime on milky thats not much of a problem
olive onyx
does anybody have any long run rex tips i cant make it past stage 8 usually
spark narwhal
use command or don't get hit
olive onyx
command?
peak shuttle
i dont think goat hoof works with chrysalis flying speed, but it basically eliminates the need for movement speed when you can stack gesture
spark narwhal
command artifact
peak shuttle
so apparently, you need 6 gestures of the drowned to achieve 100% uptime on the flight
milky has this period towards the end of the flight where you cant actually fly up, you start drifting down
but 6 gestures eliminates that
granite hinge
Welp, I managed to crash/softlock the game. Happened when trying to load the next stage. Oddly enough, the pause menu still works (though actual gameplay is frozen/black screen), and in the stage prior, a lot of UI elements, sound effects, and death animations weren't working at all. No idea what could've caused it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
peak shuttle
yeah i noticed that, 6 gestures just lets you fly permanently though, it skips the fall phase
oak river
how far was your run mills
granite hinge
I think nearly about 2 hours, 30 minutes on normal difficulty. It was one of those runs where "my mere existence causes even the tankiest enemies to die instantly." Which I guess made the game have a meltdown at a certain point.
That said, the game has been impressively stable, so this took me by surprise. I should probably submit it as a formal bug report with the output log included, because what preceded the crash was super odd.
On the bright side of that run, here's a rare sight: The two elite equipment for Celestine and Malachite enemies, side-by-side.
shell spire
good to know ig
granite hinge
The output log file the game writes to? As a result of idling on this bug, that file is now over 400 MB of the same error being written over and over. I don't even know how to begin to submit that for the bug report 
silver plover
@granite hinge Upload the log to Google Drive and post a link, along with a description of how you reached that point, in #ror2-bug-reports-pc
(obviously explain why the log is that big as best you can so the devs know you aren't linking them to a virus)
granite hinge
I'd rather truncate the file to remove the MASSIVE amounts of same repeated error, and I found where it starts, but the program I'm using (Notepad++) isn't taking a liking to me trying to delete that much text and just isn't deleting it.
Ah, normal notepad actually worked for that. Let's see how big this .txt is now
2 MB. Much better.
I wonder if the act of writing the error itself is what cause my game to have a meltdown. Combing through the mess of the output file, it seems like the repeated errors started when I loaded into Siren's Call, the same level where a lot of game elements didn't load. An error that the game got so caught up on that a lot of things locked up.
opaque walrus
Hey Guys I made a mul-t technique
If you press ctrl+space bar at the same time while shooting the auto-nailgun below, it will look like this.
peak shuttle
@granite hinge 2 of the rarest turds right next to each other
red echo
https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/ihi9zo/guide_to_post10_mercenary/ just gonna drop this here too real quick in case anyone wants it 👀
true portal
Enigma, making my bots change their active, so now I get to watch one fly around with a recycler forever since it apparently won't use no matter how long I leave an item for it
true portal
ARE YOU Fing kidding me right now.
I'm in the middle of an Acrid run to get the kill scavenger challenge done.
On state 17 now.
Problem.
Unlocking the next artifact on my list, was the one to spawn as a random survivor.
It turned me into Rex.
I AM NOW STUCK AS REX WTF.
The first Scavenger of the run finally spawned. NOW THAT I'M NOT ACRID
tepid wolf
You are not losing out on much
Monsoon is best for the achievment generally because you see the scavs earlier
Oh and the bite you unlock is useless because melee acrid is a meme
true portal
I thought they'd start spawning as soon as I looped the first time
half tendon
Its diff-based
true portal
Melee Acrid is only Acrid?
I'm not gonna play Acrid hoping I incidentally get enough backup mags to pretend I'm ranged
polar anvil
melee acrid is fun
true portal
I'mma play Acrid and be on minute 9999 in the bosses face
tepid wolf
Acrid is a ranged character
polar anvil
acrid is hybrid
true portal
Acrid is a melee character. The only thing he can do that won't leave you just waiting for cooldown is the melee main attack
polar anvil
tell me how much you played meleecrid this update
red echo
meleecrid carried me to acrid mastery
polar anvil
:P
red echo
kinda busted ngl
tepid wolf
Meleecrid requires some blessing from RNGesus sometimes
polar anvil
meleecrid is very powerful with new heal buffs
true portal
I've been playing melee Acrid, always, and up to loop 4 before.
Didn't get the scav challenge because a teammate was nabbing the last hit though --_
polar anvil
everyone needs a blessing for rngesus tho
half tendon
How
red echo
just remember to pray to rngesus before every run
tepid wolf
Meleecrid needs it a bit more
polar anvil
except loader,loader doesnt pray
tepid wolf
Especially movement items
polar anvil
acrid has jump for movement
red echo
I got a backup mag printer and it was basically a free run
true portal
How would you even play Acrid as a ranged character, without using command artifact to cheese your way to 100 backup mags
polar anvil
also commando needs some good rng to live
red echo
I just walked up to bosses and held rmb and Acrid had a seizure and the boss died
tepid wolf
Ranged acrid is actually better than meleecrid
true portal
....if you have 100 backup mags
polar anvil
duke answer my question
tepid wolf
Ranged acrid is hit and run
half tendon
I i barely managed it with rangecrid
true portal
*how many backup mags does one actually need for it to never be on cooldown
red echo
rangecrid feels harder to me than meleecrid outside of dealing with wisps
tepid wolf
I dunno my acrid mastery was done on the first attempt with ranged acrid
polar anvil
answer my question.
true portal
Rangecrid to me sounds like a non-concept nobody should have thought to try
polar anvil
rangecrid works but youre losing out
true portal
because it just sounds like "be useless while waiting for cooldowns"
tepid wolf
I used meleecrid a solid amount recently but I usually get vibe checked later on
Poison kinda carries ranged acrid
polar anvil
solid amount means how much?
half tendon
Yeah rangecrid is like that
true portal
It carries him because you've gimped your damage so much by not doing melee.
tepid wolf
Around 15-20 runs since the 1.0 update
true portal
Poison is slow af, takes forever to kill an enemy I can kill uber fast with melee
so naturally what you do is pandemic the crowd, jump into it, and melee them all
polar anvil
15-20 5 minute runs?
half tendon
You live tho
tepid wolf
Nah usually I die at around stage 7 or 8
polar anvil
that means you aren't good enough with meleecrid
true portal
somebody said scavs are difficulty based?
Whats the starting point for getting them?
Because I was over an hour in while into HAHAHAHAHA difficulty before getting one
half tendon
I cant see meleecrid working without aegis to be honest
polar anvil
it doesnt work with aegis sadly
true portal
I can't see rangecird working without cheesing command for 100 backup mags
half tendon
What why
true portal
I dare say range would be more "meme" than melee
polar anvil
cuz its just regen like slug
true portal
..? Doesn't Aegis use all healing
polar anvil
nope,it doesnt work however much slugs you get
half tendon
I mean i love meleecrid
But cant wrap my head how to survive on him
polar anvil
i am aware but some heals are normal regen not working with aegis
true portal
in any case I've been surviving as meleecrid without Aegis through healing, infusion, barrier from brooch, more healing, and just plain killing things before they damage me
half tendon
Its just that i love him for his melee animations and overall feral feeling
true portal
but I've never in my life seen enough backup mags to pretend he's a ranged unit
tepid wolf
Man acrid has a huge hitbox
polar anvil
ranged means taking visions
tepid wolf
He's a large fella
polar anvil
fatto
summer stratus
visions and bite best acrid
polar anvil
cursed
rare meadow
half tendon
Dont think i even have bite unlock tho
polar anvil
unlock it
true portal
oh gee I'd love too but
half tendon
Haha slugcat
nocturne nymph
acrid with that skin is uggy
tepid wolf
Albino skin best skin
nocturne nymph
he looks like someone nutted all over him (I think it's the brightness)
tepid wolf
Looks bad in the character select screen
nocturne nymph
light*
half tendon
Acrid default is better
tepid wolf
But looks solid once you are in game
half tendon
Pink crock all day long
I actually thought i will dislike him with his tiny tail
But he is cool
nocturne nymph
REX should be the "evil" survivor right?
His logbook say something along those lines
nocturne nymph
But he killed every being on the place
tepid wolf
Which was his main directive
nocturne nymph
for the p l a n t
if you think about it, rex's lore is a lot similar to that evil robot from Wall-E
both are high on plant, want the plant, and would kill if the something happened to the plant
tepid wolf
Still wondering why the contact light had acrid in the cargo hold
half tendon
Because they are evil
tepid wolf
I mean god how long survivors had to wait for rescue?
Since ships weren't equipped with FTL drives anymore
half tendon
Around 30 deaths of mine
tepid wolf
Also the UES Safe travels had to also be refitted with weaponry
So it must have taken a looong time for them to get rescued
true portal
Man starting to think Sacrifice's proc chance is too low
I should not have gone 10 minutes in and still had 0 items
tacit phoenix
Does the AoE bleed?
true portal
game gives me a full set of flying enemies on melee characters
wispy cypress
same thing happened to me, then they got tougher times and hooves and some brass contraptions also started spawning :p
tranquil wadi
I'm huntress
they hit me once, i'm dead
tranquil wadi
I HAVE A START OF A GOD RUN THO
tacit phoenix
IMAGINE THE KNOWLEDGE
tacit phoenix
LEGENDARIES ARE TEMPORARY, KNAWLEG IS PERMANENT
tranquil wadi
5
got killed next stage by an overloading elder lemurian anyways... does one shot protection even exist anymore?
tranquil wadi
yeah at this point, seems like huntress NEEDS shaped glass on monsoon since she gets one shot anyways
true portal
on shot protection is supposed to be "things don't deal enough damage to one shot you through your defenses because that's bad design and inherently unfun" but I'd settle or an item that prevents dying in one hit when at full hp
tranquil wadi
Yeah but like
It protects you from true one shots
but not a lot of attacks in the game are single hits
tacit phoenix
I recently found out wisps attack is multi hit, so that was fun
tranquil wadi
a lot of the stuff that kills you like elder lemurians or greater wisps either do multiple hits, multiple projectiles or explosions afterwards
so OSP doesn't work
if only it gave you like... 0.2 seconds of Iframes
half tendon
I got oneshot by malachites more than once
tacit phoenix
Oh wait, I think it said that OSP also lasts for like, a REALLY tiny duration
tranquil wadi
Yeah that's exactly what i'm saying
It's not TRUE one shots, but you still die in 0.2 seconds
tranquil wadi
and it kinda does feel unfair when you're just playing huntress, you blinked 2 seconds ago, and an elder lemurian just spawns on your ass
true portal
"osp" shouldn't have a duration at all, it should be the name of a mechanic that literally just prevents an attack from killing you if you had full hp/shields when it hit you
if they added something to prevent dying in .01 seconds from thigns that aren't just singular instances of damage, well that would need a different name
but then where is the line drawn, should they really prevent your death if 100 enemies happened to hit you within .01 seconds
tranquil wadi
Thing is some enemies alone can destroy your ass if they spawn on you
true portal
tbh I'm not sure I agree with enemies spawning on you in the first place
I know in other games it irritates the F out of me
tacit phoenix
Maps are large. If early game enemies spawned randomly on the map, it would slow down the game a lot
At least in the beginning. Late game, you travel the map with 1 shift so no biggie
true portal
they just need to be better at coming to you
like instead of spawning 2 feet from my face, spawn 100 feet from my face then move in my direction
Instead of spawning under my feet inside the teleporter radius, spawn outside it then run into it
tacit phoenix
Give them the new Magma Worm A.I
tranquil wadi
yeah new magma worm ai is on point
deep veldt
i hate that often im on a stage trying to open a chest and nothing will spawn then suddenly 3 elder lemurians spawn out of nowhere
winged briar
wait is that why magma worms have been fucking me over more or is it just placebo
true portal
you mean the one making bosses F off to go attack some random turret while I'm standing at the teleporter all alone
cuz that's my work experience these days
hardy sigil
god DAMN I am angry at mithrix's final phase
winged briar
me too doom me too
deep veldt
cheese it with an equipment
tacit phoenix
sips Spinel
deep veldt
or loads of shaped glass so hes a one shot
winged briar
they’re removing cheese next patch i think so uhhh do it fast
hardy sigil
If I have loads of shaped glass though that makes me a one shot for the whole rest of the fight
deep veldt
or just hide on top of the big platform slope things and fire at him when he isnt firing
hardy sigil
Look at the colour of my name, this is a loader boy you are talking to
true portal
well if your desperate to kill him that first time for Captain unlock use engineer
hardy sigil
I got the captain unlock
true portal
atm your turrets keep all their items if you place them before vacuum
hardy sigil
I want the purity unlock doe
true portal
the what now?
deep veldt
If I have loads of shaped glass though that makes me a one shot for the whole rest of the fight
@hardy sigil if you stack it on a teammate it doesnt matter if they die bc he still steals the items and you will both get the achievment
true portal
Aren't the only unlocks for killing him skins for the character if on monsoon and Captain
I've seen nothing else hidden behind "kill bossboi"
hardy sigil
Yeah
true portal
welp then I revert back to use engineer
when's patch day, I need to get that unlock lol
deep veldt
its called purity, -1 luck (anti clover) -2s on all cooldowns
true portal
that sounds terribad
tranquil wadi
clover counters it
winged briar
i have purity but i don’t like it
tranquil wadi
-2 seconds on merc is amazing
hardy sigil
I mean I dont think clover countering it is a good argument because it means you get no positive from a goddamn clover
winged briar
purity also softlocks you in bulwark’s ambry until next patch 😔
true portal
sure it sounds amazing, until Mk. Rocket never fires again
hardy sigil
but it seems strong
chrome hedge
you can make a build where Purity's -luck doesn't even matter
red echo
Every lunar should be more like purity
It's situationally either amazing or run killing
deep veldt
its good for certain characters that rely more on there abilities insted of just m1/m2 spam
chrome hedge
and some CDs are bonkers with flat -2 seconds
winged briar
“clover counters it” lol just get alien heads 😎😎😎
hardy sigil
Yeah with scrappers especially though you can just ditch items that have proc chance
true portal
"My cooldowns are all short now, yay"
"what did it cost"
everything "I can never proc any of my items anymore"
hardy sigil
Does clover affect crit actually?
red echo
I don't normally condone command but everyone should go play a command run with thunderpunch loader and stack 4 purities, as many bands as you can get your hands on, a blast shower, and gesture/cells
winged briar
i will admit, building around purity would be more fun than building around clover
red echo
Literally the most hilarious fun I have had in this game
true portal
well if you have 100% crit you'd succeed the 2nd roll with purity anyway
hardy sigil
True
deep veldt
and the more proc chance you have the less purity matters but the less proc chance you have the more it matters (purity does nothing if u have like 90% chance but does loads if uhave like 20%
true portal
building around clover just means you can still take anything and everything without thinking about the fact you have clover and maybe actually notice they proc more if you pay attention
building around purity means give away any item you get with a proc chance
red echo
To build around purity you just look to stack things with (potential) 100% chances like bands, crit, bleed, etc
deep veldt
yeh
red echo
seriously tho thunderpunch loader with 4x purity go try it
you can just straight up fly
deep veldt
purity ruins atg's, perforators, and other items that dont stack chance
hardy sigil
Well we were just having this discussion I still gotta unlock purity
deep veldt
i would help you get it but im on holiday lol
hardy sigil
That's okay you'd probably get crap ping anyway unless you were in AU
For gesture?
I got that one ages ago, I used commando and looped around to titanic plains and just bonked a bunch of them off the cliff
true portal
its just so tedious though
chrome hedge
Purity unlock should have been extra tedious
"Beat the game without ever picking up an item"
hardy sigil
I mean I think its kind of good because it makes it less instant
Try this one simple trick, Mithrix hates him!
tranquil wadi
does merc kinda suck now?
If you don't have super good rng seems like he struggles to kill anything past stage 2
true portal
that seems to be the consensus
...once they patch Mithrix he's gonna be real annoying for engineers
since your turrets won't have your returned items till you put them down again
deep warren
Patch him to do what @true portal ?
tranquil wadi
His expose debuff is kinda useless, since you have to use your 3rd hit and that just leaves you open for attacks
true portal
atm turrets placed before vacuum keep all their items, I'm told that's being patched away
they're also making him invincible during vacuum so no more nuking before items are gone
chrome hedge
red echo
@tranquil wadi https://www.reddit.com/r/riskofrain/comments/ihi9zo/guide_to_post10_mercenary/ psssst this might help 👀
tranquil wadi
Wait what.
How the fuck are you supposed to kill him if you can't hit him when you have your items?
true portal
the way they always intended
red echo
By playing the fight like it was supposed to be played, also he got nerfed pretty heavily in hp and damage
true portal
slowly over a fight where you steal your items back
red echo
nah
true portal
all the melee ones yes
tranquil wadi
huh, i'll take your word for it then
true portal
hmm.
But will it be easier than nuking him during vaccum is now
tranquil wadi
noT LIKE I EVER REACH HIM ANYWAYS
red echo
it's roughly equivalent to fighting a beetle queen
tranquil wadi
true portal
that doesn't even sound like a boss anymore
tranquil wadi
Like, I really don't know if it's just me having horrible, horrible RNG but unless i'm playing with Artifact of Command, I simply can't get past stage 5 on Monsoon anymore
red echo
How long are you taking per stage?
hardy sigil
Must not be playing enough loader
tranquil wadi
But like... you have to see the items I get
I've done like, around 10 runs today
i've yet to see crit glasses before stage 4
true portal
I have an approximately 0% success rate getting my friends to leave a stage before opening every chest
red echo
I've accepted that I just have to play rainstorm with my friends
true portal
tried using sacrifice artifact, they stay even longer since there's no "we got it all" moment
tranquil wadi
Yeah but like
Monsoon Mithrix feels like the way he's meant to be fought
true portal
I mean I don't blame them, getting every item every stage is the intuitively best way
red echo
I end up just hitting the teleporter and soloing the boss and giving them a 10 second warning 
true portal
like if I was to guess what manner of play made the game easiest without formally investigating mechanics, I'd say "easy, get every item every stage to power up, duh"
well, sure, I could do that, if I wanna be a dick forcing my will on the group
red echo
That's what they want you to think :v
hardy sigil
monke brain see item, monke brain like item
red echo
well, sure, I could do that, if I wanna be a dick forcing my will on the group
@true portal ngl I just started flexing my 103/103 and the homies started trusting me more when I say it's time to leave the stage :v
true portal
and when you add the notion that difficuly scales up, and jumps up when swapping zones, as you go along, that adds "ok so we want to get every item here before the difficulty raises"
and finally when you see that there's a final tier that adds "while we are going to reach hahahahaha regardless of how fast we push through zones so we ought to have every item available when we get to it and keep doing so while in it"
so really the premise that leaving sooner is better than getting every item is highly counterintuitive
tbh I'm not actually 100% convinced it is myself, what with that premise I quoted about wanting to get more items here and now, before the difficulty gets higher
hardy sigil
It is hard to tell the monkey brain no when it wants the items
red echo
I mean ultimately it's very situational, like if it's stage 1 but 5 chests spawned in a tight area, it might be worth spending an extra minute farming for them
true portal
It's not just telling the monkey brain no when it wants the items
red echo
It becomes an issue when you're wasting time running all over the stage accomplishing nothing but letting the timer run down
true portal
it's convincing the logical brain leaving early is mechanically / objectively better than getting everything before you go
because really when my friends noticed that sometimes going through teleporter makes a jump on the difficulty progression bar, every single one said "oh so that means we should get every item every stage before letting those jumps happen, so that we are better prepared"
red echo
rip
true portal
"and will perform better, by doing more damage and having better defense, than we would if we left sooner"
red echo
just point out that it becomes disproportionately easier to farm in later stages
$ drops scale up faster than chest costs
true portal
"yea it's easier money but that doesn't make up for all the chests we didn't open because there's still only so many per stage"
red echo
rip
true portal
I thought about just using sacrifice every time so there's less reason to delay teleporter
but it's proc chance seems so goddang low
soooooooooooooo low
I should not be 10 minutes in and still have no items
red echo
swarms + sacrifice is typically more items than without but yeah sometimes rng just decides to screw you
true portal
swarms as in kin artifact bosses or an artifact I don't have yet
tranquil wadi
it makes early game hell, late game ez
true portal
NEED
red echo
swarms runs can be pretty fun
chrome hedge
I wish more people played Dissonance
where 1 Overloading Clay Templar as a boss is one of the deadliest things early on
placid bloom
random question
why dont i ever seen engineers in my mp game attack just cuz they're standing in turret radius
tranquil wadi
Bustling fungus
Y'see there's like
an Engineer way of life
where you put down your turrets and stop playing the game
errant seal
Managed to get out of the ring without breaking the game
just some exploit of game mechanics
pearl hedge
Mithrix looks quite flustered in the bg
errant seal
Since this is a one-way wall for entities, so the vase can dig a tunnel into the battlefield
and right after the bgm vanished and the mithrix spawned, it's easy to get out of it... Quite funny one
Mithrix looks quite flustered in the bg
haha yes
Also, since the cooldown of band is counted as a 'debuff', if one can managed to reduce the cooldown to less than 10s, then they can trigger the band at a faster rate
hmm, will these be fixed?
tough carbon
uhg. Game Discussion 1 has become quite toxic.
nocturne nymph
What happened there?
errant seal
/rerun
chrome hedge
how did this happen?
tight shuttle
h o w d i d w e g e t h e r e ? ? ?
small frost
Anybody know when the 1.0 update coming to console?
tranquil wadi
escape
dull ingot
all i know is pain
errant seal
I just mean you should start another run though
rich mulch
i have zero idea what im doing wrong i cant get past first stage monsoon
chrome hedge
Health regeneration is reduced in Monsoon, so there's a heavy emphasis on "don't get hit" to survive the first couple stages without active healing.
Know your abilities, how to avoid the boss' attacks, and when to prioritize the trash mobs over the boss when they get to be too numerous.
Also don't spend much time treasure hunting without a really good reason. Monsoon difficulty moves 50% faster than Rainstorm.
Get treasure that is close by and not too out of the way with the money you get from Teleporter event.
nocturne nymph
or get artifacts
frosty pagoda
Highly recommend playing huntress until u know more. She has 2-4 blinks and you never have to stop sprinting, so avoiding damage is easier
nocturne nymph
command, sacrifice and swarms make it ez
verbal lagoon
Health regeneration is reduced in Monsoon, so there's a heavy emphasis on "don't get hit" to survive the first couple stages without active healing.
or just play loader and get free barriers
gilded marsh
dont even need the barriers just insta kill all the baddies
subtle kite
I'm having a hard time getting past like stage 6 on monsoon with rex without artifacts
Trying to make a god run video with him but like ehhhhh I can't do it and I feel dumb
verbal lagoon
I'm having a hard time getting past like stage 6 on monsoon with rex without artifacts
just get lucky
or buy red items from the bazaar between time
rich mulch
im trying to get commando skin
but like nothing is diying
took me 17 mins to get to stage 3
eager badger
yeah
open cobalt
isn't this that item that has a 1 in 4000 chance of dropping from elites?
open cobalt
holy shit, I got the game like 4 days ago and I already found this
latent cipher
hahaha, amazing
you're doing very well for such a new player, that's quite a monsoon run
rich mulch
its WAY better with swarm and sacrifice
open cobalt
oh uhh, I kinda just cheesed it a bit by having the engineer turrets farm for me while I did other things, this because they do in fact carry over items. Plus I found a pretty neat hole where I was essentially invincible.
and I don't have swarm yet but I've heard its quite good
latent cipher
well I guess there's no better way to get the 1/4000 drops than several hours of farming
open cobalt
lol my record is currently 7.5 hours of farming, but I kinda want to go further
I saw this guy on yt who farmed stage 1 sacrifice for 24 hours straight, and I want to do something similar but across several stages since idk if my computer can handle what he had to go through
latent cipher
oh yes I think I saw that video
though I have no idea why anyone would do that except for science
open cobalt
true, but for me I just wanna farm some achievements and I think I did that quite well, managed to get 47 total till now
dull ingot
I got the game on launch and have seen the aspects multiple times during normal play. they kinda trash tho.
open cobalt
^^
dull ingot
ummm i see the teleporter particles but how tf am i meant to get past that wall
like thats impossible without movement itemsis it not
bronze arch
This took way too long and was quite painstaking, but I've finally done it. I've beaten the final boss on monsoon with loader, legit
might not seem like a major feat to most but to me mithrix's fight was made personal
clear plover
Funny thing happened
I was fighting Mithrix and I had Dio (I thought it doesn't work for him)
I killed him and got all my items back
He killed me with an attack that he shot before he died
We both resurrected
So we had essentially a 5th phase, except I had all my items
tight stratus
lmao
how did that go?
clear plover
I won because I was much stronger. Also I think he didn't have any items after resurrection
wind goblet
Hello, I'm new to the discord i was just looking for some tips on how to beat the final boss
tight stratus
don't crit build (as of this current patch)
analog lintel
what
clear plover
I suggest looping, you can outpower him with a number of items and kill him before he steals all of your items
tight stratus
that works too (as of this current patch) though the devs may give him immunity frames during that, and rebalance the way he uses a lot of items.
dull ingot
check pins in #test-branch-feedback
wind goblet
he steals items?
dull ingot
on phase 4
tight stratus
you deplete his health bar three times, and he adds the Chimeras in later phases to mix things up a bit.
and in his last fight, he takes every (non-equipment) item you have, and you have to damage him to get them back.
dull ingot
he doesn't take afflictions
kind edge
Im getting pretty sick of runs forcibly ended by the teleporter not existing in marsh/spawning in walls
tight stratus
kind edge
this bug has existed since launch and I've reported it there almost every patch.
tight stratus
ok
are you following the format for bug reports? The format that's pinned in the same channel?
the devs literally can't do anything without that very important information.
@kind edge
safe vapor
this bug has existed since launch and I've reported it there almost every patch.
@kind edge since 1.0 launch? Been playing since last October and I've never seen this happen.
Haven't been on much last week tho
gilded marsh
I guess i've gotten lucky to not see that in 280 hours
I've never seen it not spawn
frosty terrace
the teleporter used to spawn behind a wall on one of the wetland second stages, but that no longer happens, there's always a path to the other side of the wall now
I've yet to see a stage on 1.0 where teleporter is completely inaccessible
deft warren
neither I nor my friends have ever seen that happen, lol weird
gilded marsh
same
dull plinth
oy
Anybody found an easy way to get the Mastery achievements ?
I think I found one but it seems so obvious I'm sure others have found it
(with artifacts)
gilded marsh
I mean command makes it very easy
just command monsoon and go for obliterate
the boss can get a good hit in and you're dead
dull plinth
I've trivialized the boss too
As in, at stage 5 I'm doing half of his health with Gestured Capacitor during the initial cutscene
gilded marsh
I mean, lunar stuff makes it even easier but i dont have many coins
I only have like 40
dull plinth
Strat only requires one for a shop
The artifacts you need are Command, Sacrifice and Swarms
gilded marsh
Just memeing the void field?
dull plinth
yup
gilded marsh
Yeah. I just like doing standard runs for the skins
dull plinth
Seemed too obvious to not being noticed
I tend to hate Monsoon so I'm happy to have found that start
gilded marsh
Yeah lots of people do the swarm, sacrifice command stuff
Yeah. whatever is most fun for you. I just prefer monsoon but i know a lot of people dont
dull plinth
I like Glass/Sacrifice runs in Drizzle
But Glass is too hard in Monsoon and I hate slow starts unless I'm going for a long run
Got perfect Merc trial on a non-trivial seed so that's that
And got Deicide without artifacts
I've paid for my skill tribute
gilded marsh
Hey you play however you want. If its fun, dont let anyone tell you otherwise
dull plinth
I dislike how the game math works, but that's the curse of datamining
Maybe one day I'll do a mod to overhaul the gameplay innards
gilded marsh
What do you not like about the game math?
dull plinth
Difficulty scales exponentially with stage number and is balanced around proc chains, which creates a heavy imbalance in how the items are valued
As long as OSP needs to exist, the game's defensive identity will be fractured
gilded marsh
Thats fair. I feel like they've created the items to have that imbalance built in. Not every item in a tier should be of the same value
dull plinth
That's a view I personally do not share. I get that some items are more desirable and others are situational, but the game puts too much pressure on having the right items
If you do not have crits or procs, only meme strats will give you even a chance to win a Monsoon run on either win condition
The same can't be said of runs without heals
gilded marsh
Idk if thats really true. Even without god runs, monsoon is very much doable as long as you keep up speed over item collection
dull plinth
You still depend on offensive items
gilded marsh
If the item rolls are bad, progressing quickly will keep your base stats high enough to keep in contention
dull plinth
The built in death spiral doesn't( bother me too much, but your over-reliance on getting the right items is what ticks me
Base stats won't help you against bad enemy rolls or the final boss
gilded marsh
If you get to the final boss by the 30 minute mark even with not a great build you can still beat him
dull plinth
Boss is on stage 6. in Monsoon, if my intuition is not rusty, enemies should be around level 21 at that time
YOu'll probably be a little below that level, but the boss base stats are really good
And if you lack mobility, beating him will be hard
gilded marsh
thats only on specific characters
On huntress for example, you would be fine
On characters with low mobility just stand on the inclines
dull plinth
I must admin I haven't really tried, but I get owned by the boss with good build in Drizzle
Considering that because of how the scaling works Monsoon has the boss with 3x health and nearly 5x damage well
gilded marsh
Every hit the boss does in monsoon is enough to take you to one shot protection
dull plinth
Which is what I don't like
gilded marsh
He struggles handling the inclines so if anything you can cheese him with that
dull plinth
Again, personal preference. I hate bullet hells for that reason
Cheesing may work, but it's a little sad you need to resort to something like that to beat him without good items
gilded marsh
I mean I dont do that. I was saying you could if you were having trouble
Same could be said for beating him with command sacrifice
dull plinth
I'm not saying I'm skilled for having to resort to such starts
It's just that I'm sad to see such a great core game get tainted by that hardly avoidable problem
gilded marsh
Im just saying the boss is doable on bad runs. even on monsoon. My first win was a bad arti run
I had a bunch of on hit while i was using ion surge
dull plinth
Arti is way less reliant on procs, so I think it's not thatr bads if you know her
gilded marsh
Without flamethrower procs are almost useless on her
dull plinth
Micro bots should be added to the regular pool - cmv
Sad little drones who suffer from the scaling cause they got no items
Unkillable early on, useless later
solemn zodiac
yes
dull plinth
But again, the math of the game is deeply ingrained into many design decisions
I'd really like to know what the experience would like with the changes I have in mind
solemn zodiac
as they are adding them could be decent
gilded marsh
It might be interesting. The second games math feels very similar to ror1
solemn zodiac
stack only adds +1 projectile it shoots down per .5s
so eventually they are useless due to the sheer amount of projectiles
actually would be fat to have ingame
dull plinth
Math is more streamlined, but the principles are the same
solemn zodiac
cause me and my boy @green flicker had a god run with a clover printer and goggles printer
and we both got owned by a like 5 elite brass contraption spawn
if you could actually get microbots from the pool that would be sick
solemn zodiac
hmmm today i will klabong
gilded marsh
As long as a brass contraption isnt too above you, walking to the left around them will help save you from some hits @green flicker
solemn zodiac
they arent usually super problematic but when a bunch of em end up grouping and you dont notice them
they can 1 hit game end you real easily
gilded marsh
Yeah getting ganked by elder lumerians or brass contraptions can be rough
Especially fire and lightning affix
dull plinth
They bypass OSP, that's probably a reason
green flicker
malachite 
gilded marsh
I find fire and lightning to be much more dangerous than celestine and malachite
dull plinth
70% penalty feels more approrpaite
gilded marsh
Especially after their nerfs
solemn zodiac
first time i saw a malachite it instantly blasted me the second i entered his z o n e
after that the only time i took on more malachites was one punch loader run
dull plinth
Both are dangerous because they can bypass osp
Blazing burns you down overloadings have pre-nerf stacked stickies
gilded marsh
I think they are infinitely more dangerous than either malachite or celestine
dull plinth
That bomb should never have existed on enemies, its power is too great 😦
gilded marsh
Celestine can be dangerous because it hides the fire and lightning elites
gilded marsh
They are changing the last phase
bright palm
on one hand, I think the last phase is cool but god is it unfun to just
wonder if you're going to lose for having too good of a run
dull plinth
Taking your items is a cool idea
bright palm
or you just instantly kill him before he can get all of your items
dull plinth
But with how the game works, it's just not viable
bright palm
I couldn't damage him until I got my pot back
dull plinth
It's either run-ending or a formailty with no in between
gilded marsh
They are making it so he doesnt get special boss scaling in the final phase but also making it so he wont be damagable at all while he steals your stuff. This way he will have wayyyy less health but wont be able to be one shot before he takes items
bright palm
you HAVE to be able to stomp him in multiplayer or he'll straight up kill you
dull plinth
And less damage too
gilded marsh
They are making his 4th stage significantly weaker in future updates
spark narwhal
stand on mithrix's head and avoid needle attack
somber valley
dull ingot
if his health is getting a huge decrease the meta will just become
get capacitor and hide behind da pillars until hes done stealing your stuff
then just bye bye moonman
would work similarly with a bunch of other equipment too
wicked pelican
Has anyone here lived the final round in void fields where the monsters got an unstable tesla coil?
gilded marsh
I yeet out if that happens
grave herald
I did. But luckily I had items that negated the hp loss from being outside the zone. And I never let anyone close
wicked pelican
Yeah I usually do too but I didn't know if anyone had something consistent that would beat it @gilded marsh
gilded marsh
I just run if they get coil. If you do it like stage 2. maybe you can win but at least on monsoon there's wayyy too many enemies to survive it
grave herald
huntress with topaz brooch, healing seed, monster tooth, and medkit but only when i'd re-enter the charging zone
narrow gate
i just spend 15 mins fighting 2 blazing construct units from triple mountain shrine, and died after getting them down to 5% hp 😦
radiant ingot
upper pulsar
So am I crazy or does Acrid's Regenerate passive just.. not work?
frosty terrace
3 headstompers on soup island, just what I needed
clear mural
It works it's just not very good
frosty terrace
I didn't take any, took one atg from another soup
got to the final phase of the boss and was too slow to take cover, needles owned me
spark narwhal
covert all your items into headstompers so you can goomba stomp mithrix.
rich mulch
still cant belive no red item and 16 levels in also no bazar tp
nvm just got one lmao
but kinda useless
grim rock
could someone dm me a good quality image of the primordial teleporter so i can use it for reference for something
spark narwhal
here is a video on how to shift the primordial teleporter.
buoyant thicket
@wicked pelican happened to me, got tesla hoofs, drinks and stealth kit
true portal
using glass on monsoon isn't quite as dope as I expected it to be lol
tight stratus
Glass is best served after you can get a proc chain going.
narrow gate
noooo im so sad, almost beat the game on monsoon for the first time, but died to boss at last stage of boss at 15% hp :(((
vapid lynx
Wanted to share my victory with someone, so here it is. Was dealing with Eclipse 7 since monday, one more to go, wish me luck. 
granite crag
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN DO THIS HOMIE
vapid lynx
That's what I get for laughing at -50% enemy cds, it DOES affect Mithrix, holy
He becomes zoomy, jumpy man
granite crag
Yeah most things affect the big ole guy
vapid lynx
Can't wait to lose ~30% max hp to chimeras on the way to the arena 
It will be an experience
twin nest
I finally sat down and played the full release enough and oh boy that final boss is something
steep acorn
loader and acrid can travel using the bottom of the bridges on the way to the arena to avoid getting shot at by chimeras since they are immune to fall damage (acrid during shift leap is)
modest trout
Does anyone have the chance scale for tougher times?
woven citrus
made it to stage 7 with captain on my second monsoon run
mortal karma
Finally got irradiant pearl after dumping 9 lunars into the same cleansing pool
spark narwhal
is eclipse hard?
neat apex
😔
sly oxide
is eclipse hard?
@spark narwhal no its ez mode supreme, literally stand there and do nothing and win
spark narwhal
ah ok will do that.
neat hemlock
i want to share my pain and i have nowhere else to put it, i need like 5 more logs to 100% the game, one of which is irradiant pearl
i have found two (2) after using cleansing pools once
and not had another lunar item to get it
:(
merry knot
true portal
Sacrifice is starting to annoy me
I want to use it to just go zone to zone as soon as I see teleporters but it won't drop anything
neat hemlock
What secret?
also nice, i still need aurelionite, mithrix, alloy worship unit and the snow level
true portal
Oh. Thanks wiki page for telling me artifact of soul is absolutely worthless
here I though I was getting more xp/money and item drop chance for sacrifice
spark narwhal
The secret is to go into the fake wall on the highest hill in siren's call and grab the irradiant pearl inside.
its very easy to miss
...since you know its not actually there.
rain dragon
thought on beating monsoon last boss with REX, how consistent and often can you do it?
tender raft
Depends on your build.
true portal
sometimes I can't help but feel like glass shouldn't disable one shot protection
usually when a wisp one shots me half a second after starting a run
spark narwhal
glass should disable it cuz then there is no risk of glass.
true portal
...yea having only 10 hp would still be a huge risk with osp
get his by 2 5 damage attacks normally, don't care, take that with glass, die
spark narwhal
not if you have topaz brooch
then you can take the 2 hits just fine.
cuz you get 2 osps
tight stratus
a meme thing I like to do with Glass is maximize my HP pool, with shield items and Transfusions; then I get a lot of Barrier economy with Brooches/Aegis with whatever healing items I can muster.
I've been trying to get a Gestured Massive Leech setup, but I keep on getting ganked by something that spawns behind me.
real osprey
You can die from fall damage if you're not at max right
tight stratus
you have fall death protection unless the Artifact of Frailty is on.
There's just so many mobs that want to kill you that the 1 HP you keep from falling doesn't mean much.
real osprey
Oh okay, wasn't sure bc I don't have a way down to void fields unless I hit the rings
tight stratus
oh yeah, it's no risk to get to unless you have that specific artifact on.
true portal
so what's it like to play Acrid with glass?
I've not done it because I felt to inclined to assume it would basically invalidate poison
killing things to fast with the attacks that proc poison to ever actually deal poison damage
tight stratus
Acrid is a weird survivor to play on it's own, but yeah, poison has no benefit from Glass. Blight may work better with Glass though, since that considers your actual attack damage.
true portal
no I mean tlike
steep acorn
it either does 1% max hp per second or 100% damage per second, whichever is higher. and its capped at 5000% damage per second
steep acorn
so glass effects the lower and upper bounds of poison but its still not worth
tight stratus
oh.
yeah, in that case his kit falls by the wayside.
steep acorn
i mean if your attacks are doing that much damage youve probably won already lol
m2 is 240% base, ult is 100% base
need a bunch of glass or a bunch of items for those to kill on their own
tight stratus
Glass doesn't effect poison at all. Poison subtracts hp based off the target's HP
steep acorn
glass effects poison in rare scenarios
true portal
their hp or your damage whichever gets a higher result yes
steep acorn
"Poison deals 1% of the victim's maximum health per second (0.33% per tick) or an amount per second equivalent to Acrid's damage stat, whichever deals more damage. Poison is capped at 50 times Acrid's Damage per second."
true portal
but both results deal 0 damage if you kill the enemy in the process of applying poison anyway
slate cypress
Is there a bug that doesn’t let you get gesture of the drowned when using artifact of command
Like it shows up as locked
tight stratus
Ah, sorry. Acrid isn't my favorite. reading the fine print with him was never something I got that far in.
true portal
starting a run with glass surely that boosed damage result is notably higher than the hp result
but it doesn't matter since you kill them before any poison ticks lol
quasi temple
lmao what, we activated teleporter and no boss / items spawned
steep acorn
oh right glass artifact, i was thinking of shaped glass
artifact is 5x dmg right ? yea that would oneshot things
true portal
I just started a run and got killed during Acrids wake up animation, before you're allowed to do anything
real osprey
If enemies get old guillotine do I count as an elite
olive rover
No
steep acorn
hm although the wording for glass artifact on the wiki is "deal 500% damage" not "increase base damage by 400%"
real osprey
Neat, I figured but I thought I'd ask because you never know
steep acorn
it probably is actually the latter but if its the former, then poison is effected
stuff like ap rounds, death mark, focus crystals do effect poison
olive rover
It's a boost on any damage that is applied after any other effect, so the poison is affected, and in fact, it won't cap as early as you'd think
steep acorn
so is glass artifact mechanically different than shaped glass
true portal
yall debating how it interacts with poison when all I meant in the first place is you'd kill things before poison did any ticks
steep acorn
you can probably ult the boss, it would only do 500% dmg
true portal
man sacrifice really isn't worth it without swarm huh
I'm trying it mixed with honor after never getting anything with just sacrifice, and still don't get anything
....I gotta unlock swarm already
maybe it's because I had sacrifice on but it's also feeling like honor isn't worth using without glass
steep acorn
hmm i dont think glass artifact is different from shaped glass, no
just tested it, monsoon honor glass, afked at the top of titanic plains as acrid, then used tp when difficulty medium
beetle queen 9975 hp 20 armor, 9975 * 0.01)/3 * 1/1.2 = 27.7 dmg, ingame visual showed 27 dmg per tick. Lv 1 acrid has 15 damage, 15 * 5/3 * 1/1.12 = 20.8 dmg. So its using the max hp damage over the base damage and the glass artifact doesnt effect it
So glass artifact doesn't make you deal 500% damage, it increases your base damage 5x
quasi temple
stacking quails makes for hilariously fast/high jumps
smacking into rocks and other geometry to shoot up to map ceiling
true portal
can someone refresh my memory as to scavenger spawn rules
tight stratus
they spawn after a loop (on most levels) and they get starter items randomly; they are guaranteed to have one legendary, and one equipment.
terrifying bastards, pray one doesn't get Daggers when you have a minion run going.
true portal
I believe I heard Daggers got blacklisted
so as long as I'm on stage 6+ might get one huh
polar anvil
can get one as early as stage 1 with dissonance and 2 mountains
hallow fractal
captain with his alternate skin looks like an ice cream cone
true portal
that jsut a thing, 2 mountains might spawn a scav instead of more of a normal boss (but requires dissonance to bypass normal stage 6+ requirement for them+)?
true portal
someone come up with a better reason than "Song is stupid" for why I tried to use null portal with glass on
polar anvil
@true portal here's a better reason:"Song lacks the capacity to think past taking glass artifact"
true portal
Prolly more like "Song just plain forgets he's gonna take tick damage on a dismal hp count until it happens" despite spending all the time before going in the portal worrying about being one shot lol
peak shuttle
to this day i have no idea why ion surge is arti's special instead of utility
if it was utility i would actually consider taking it over ice wall
fiery tundra
me and my friends beat mithrix on monsoon and nuked him as fast as possible before he could take our items and the moon detonation showed up
but he didn't die, he just got back up and killed us
feels bad
polar anvil
@peak shuttle artificer is "no mobility many damage" survivor
Flamethrower is her most damaging ability,so if you use surge,she now is mix of mobility and damage
If you move surge to shift,you both have mobility and damage, which is not what it should be.
peak shuttle
that does seem like it would be too strong i suppose
i guess i should just accept that sometimes, utility skills aren't for utility
and sometimes specials ARE for utility
polar anvil
i have a copy paste for momentsof asking surge to be util
peak shuttle
but man would that be great to have ion and flamethrower 
true portal
some people hate flamethrower
friend'o'mine hates anything that goes with being close to the enemy when playing something squishy, which he considered Artificer to be
peak shuttle
i can't imagine trying to do damage without it
untold yarrow
play with mods, expanded skill slots mean you can play with arti with ALL their abilities
true portal
so he permanently replaced flamethrower for that jump to stop needing to be close and have a way to get away
peak shuttle
at least not without hella stacks of mag and hardlight
polar anvil
btw @peak shuttle theres a mod making surge shift
peak shuttle
not into modding just yet, but ty
i cant get over my fear of downloading third party stuff lol
polar anvil
🔫 download r2modman
untold yarrow
with the wonder of mods you can play first person and hate the game that much more