You can spam R technically and rapid fire the rebars
#gd2-nullified
tepid wolf
faint vector
double rebar is great but u can get a similar effect with nail + rebar
spammability of rebar is what makes it good now
tepid wolf
Nilgun starts going nuts once you get some on hits
Especially bleed which is really good right now
faint vector
yeah so if u go nail+rebar its a bit more versatile, allows you to take advantage of an "on hit" build with nail but also an "on kill" build with rebar it's very adaptable
ive found that as you scale attack speed, double R'ing for rebar gets a bit different, because you start shooting nailgun in between for a short spurt, im not sure if thats a good or bad thing, probably good
tepid wolf
You need around 10 daggers for 100% nailgun bleed (because proc coeficinet actually reduces bleed chance) but it is worth the investment
faint vector
oh is it because nail is 0.7
tepid wolf
0.6
faint vector
damn
tepid wolf
The damage is 70%
tepid wolf
Captain's utility and primary are really good and the special and m2 are ok
faint vector
hes probably personally for me the best character to loop with, but he absolutely sucks ass with mithrix, no innate mobillity whatsoever
yeah his specials save you a lot of time and m2 is just nice to have when you have 3 golems pointing their laser dicks at you
tepid wolf
The bleed changes kinda made me like the engie's mobile turrets
Those little guys also inflict a slow debuff which is good for proccing death's mark
faint vector
i really tried to like engi
tepid wolf
I like to use his alt abilities
faint vector
his harpoons dont really change much for me doe
maybe i should get the spider mines and laser turrets and hell be a bit more fun
tepid wolf
The spider mines, harpoons and mobile turrets allow me to actually play a lot more aggressively
faint vector
^ yeah thats what i want from him pretty much
tepid wolf
Harpoons are great once you get used to them
tepid wolf
Mainly you can actually deal with flying enemies with them
tepid wolf
They are completely different characters generally
faint vector
true but theyre both support
tepid wolf
Engie is the best healer in the game just because of fungus
Captain is not really "support"
He basically has the best M1 in the game right now
faint vector
thats true
tepid wolf
His special falls off really quickly
faint vector
i usually look for dynamic gameplay in characters, but i honestly just dont seem to mesh well with the gameplay in the more mobile characters
acoustic sphinx
Just use the hack special for free loot and saving time in the first loop then forget about it
faint vector
^
finishing stage 4 with like 15 min is really strong
ik people love loader but i just dont find her gameplay very fun at all
tepid wolf
The m2 he has also kinda falls off past the first 5 stages
So you have M1 and utility past the fifth stage
faint vector
yeah, its fun to swing around and shit but like, her attack strategy is getting all up in the face of your enemies and holding down m1 until your cooldowns are over
tepid wolf
You don't M1 though if you use charged fist
faint vector
in my admittedly short experience with her as a character
charged fist is the shift alt right?
faint vector
yeah still tho
tepid wolf
The thunder punch sacrifices damage for AOE and you don't go through enemies
faint vector
i might go for thunder punch, it also doesnt have to charge up right
tepid wolf
Charged fist relies on getting as much speed as possible with grapple going through enemies and then doing it again once CDS reset
Thunder fist deals less damage but has an cone AOE and a bit shorter charge so you M1 a lot more
faint vector
im guessing you unlock thunder fist by shifting into an enemie from the top of distant roost
and yeah idk bruh it honestly feels like her gameplay is just based around waiting for cooldowns to come off
tepid wolf
I kinda got it by just playing loader
gritty bluff
mithrixs scaling is dogshit stupid
dry mirage
i got it on 1 stage randomly from just trolling around swinging on a tree
tepid wolf
You can pretty easily do 600+ damage with charged fist on stage 1
gritty bluff
i had 100 teddy bears, 4 glasses, a dios, 100 infusions 200 crowbars and a shit ton of other items
faint vector
question did loader come w an update
gritty bluff
yes
faint vector
holy shit 100 teddies
gritty bluff
loadouts 2.0 i think
tepid wolf
Loader propably deals the most burst damage in the game
Like the charged fist deals 2700% damage without any speed
faint vector
i think shes probably like captain in that i just dont get her gameplay yet and when i do ill prob have some fun
tepid wolf
Captain is not that bad to get used to
faint vector
nah i just didnt understand him at first now i do
tepid wolf
Since he is not that complicated
faint vector
hey dont make fun of my slowness
tepid wolf
I mean captain's utility confused me a bit early on since I didn't know how to fire it
faint vector
utility is r right
tepid wolf
no shift
faint vector
oh
tepid wolf
R is special
faint vector
yeah same i didnt really know how i was suppose to use it
first time i did a "real" run with cap though it was insane i got to commencement so easily
i had like 13 drones
tepid wolf
Capped bleed on captain is kinda busted
faint vector
his m1 is weird, it only procs together or not at all
tepid wolf
8 bleed stacks per shot really add up quickly especially agaisnt mithrix
faint vector
and yeah hes great but id like it if the you could manipulate the drones better like, if they listened to pings and stuff
tepid wolf
I think only crit procs together
I mean recruiting drones is fun but they still die instantly later on
faint vector
in my experience no
drones i buy stage 1 usually stick around to commencement until they die to mithrix
tepid wolf
Like I had fun using the backup that summons 5 drones but it is was not worth the equipment slot
Oh and don't get drones on stage 1 since chests are super important
Drones mainly suffer from bad AI and low damage
faint vector
the good thing is how the healing drones help out the other drones
tepid wolf
Healing and emergency drones help a lot early game especially early game on monsoon
faint vector
having a bunch of healing drones that dont die is always good no matter the stage in my experience
bitter skiff
when my friend bought some drones, Mithrix just kept attacking the drones, which were way too high for him to hit, so it was pretty hilarious as we kept wailing on him
faint vector
i dont think healing falls off as much as damage does
tepid wolf
Gunner, missile, incinerator drones are pretty awful
faint vector
problem is healing drones sometimes just kinda heal you when they feel like it
tepid wolf
The TC-280 is only good if you have the hacking beacon on captain
faint vector
i have no idea what the emergency drones even do ive only come across one
so fucking expensive
tepid wolf
Emergency drones heal a lot more and can heal multitple targets
bitter skiff
emergency drones are much better healing drones
tepid wolf
Two emergency drones can stay alive for a really long time
bitter skiff
^
tepid wolf
Since they just endlessly heal eachother
faint vector
apparently they can heal you faster than a templar can shoot at you
i honestly dont know why they dont make drone power scale with stage
yes drones get more expensive but getting that money gets easier
tepid wolf
They do scale with your level
bitter skiff
just not enough
faint vector
they fall off so quick though
tepid wolf
The problem is that later on your damage is mainly from on hit effects
bitter skiff
it's like if you were only using level ups to continue forward, no picking up items
that's, I assume, why they fall off so hard
tepid wolf
Then they would be broken
faint vector
thats why i said just some
grim rock
how would corpsebloom play in a engie mushroom build? still a bad item?
dull ingot
how many fkn waves does the final dude have.
tepid wolf
4
tepid wolf
His attacks are pretty easy to dodge
Also engie can put down turrets before his items get stolen
bitter skiff
I'd recommend doing as much damage as possible initally before standing on one of the pillars if you're having trouble dodging without your mobility items
dull ingot
Yeah, I noticed. Being a fish out of water versus this god of war that just yeeted me once in the back.
bitter skiff
there are those pillars with slants you can climb up that he has trouble pathing up
tepid wolf
Sometimes he can charge up those pillars
learnt that the hard way when I nearly killed his third phase on monsoon
bitter skiff
yeah, gotta be careful for sure, but I've only had that happen to me once
tepid wolf
Also arti cheeses the whole fight with ion surge and freeze
bitter skiff
having a good equipment is awesome too because he doesn't steal that
faint vector
In My Experience. I suck and I am incapable of dodging mithrix's attacks, all i can do is try and keep my distance form that little mf which doesnt help because he zooms at you at 60% of light speed
tepid wolf
You usually just need to be careful around the hammer slam and charge
faint vector
idk how to be careful since his attacks arent telegraphed
tepid wolf
Also the rotating blue shockwaves part
bitter skiff
perhaps it's a meme, but headset and hopoo feathers make dodgin him really easy too
tepid wolf
A hopoo feather is almost mandatory for the fight
faint vector
yeah except when youre hopping around and are destined to land right where hes about to hit
tepid wolf
You need at least a few hooves or energy drinks
faint vector
pretty much yeah
tepid wolf
And a feather or two
faint vector
wax quail isnt good because you have to face away from him and shit
tepid wolf
Huntress is pretty good against him since she can sprint while firing and has the blink or phase blink
faint vector
god i hate huntress
tepid wolf
Huntress is amazing
faint vector
feels absolutely unsatisfying to play
bitter skiff
I just finished her on monsoon, now I don't have to play her again lol
tepid wolf
Huntress is good with the alt R
faint vector
since i switched to pc i literally havent played her once i dont even have her icon unlocked on the logbook
tepid wolf
Arrow rain is a piece of garbage since you have glaives
Ballista though is great
Since it gives huntress the single target damage she lacks
faint vector
ill give her a shot..... one day
tepid wolf
The alt R can be a bit of a pain to unlock
It is pretty doable if you have the glass artifact unlocked though
bitter skiff
the only unlocks i need now are all of mercenary's
but I just don't really enjoy his playstyle
tepid wolf
The alt utility of huntress is amazing once you get used to it
Since you basically become extremely hard to hit
granite shard
is there a chance that maybe we could change the pot physics please they're so annoying
bitter skiff
are you telling me you didn't want that to happen?
tepid wolf
I mean I respect the attemp at getting the extra bands
I done it once and never again since you lose so much time
boreal ermine
so we killed Newt and went on to the next stage (22nd stage) and after starting the teleporter we both werent able to see each other - just our missiles from the weapons. Also the teleporter charged slower because the game thought i was alone. It felt like playing the same game but not together?! Then when I activated the TP we both got a blackscreen. After pushing escape we got to this screen (wrong map in the background) and we couldnt do anything. We kinda broke the game :(
any thoughts?
granite shard
in this case i really really needed that band damage
was a sick run but without any on hit boosters like atg i was struggling a bit by stage 9
so i was a bit miffed cause not having those bands basiclaly killed me directly
vague comet
So uh
Is the double Rebar Puncher Retool tech common knowledge? I got the game recently and found it out and it feels like something the devs would patch
Basically, if you press R after firing the rebar every time (or, alternatively, have a macro to spam R while you hold M1) you can fire a rebar every swap, or up to a rate of 2 rebars every second
Because Retool refreshes/ignores the reload timer on the Rebar Puncher
1200 DPS without any items immediately upon starting a run is pretty nutso
granite shard
yep its intentional
not quite as nuts as it first seems but early on its very nice
tawny mesa
Man I can't wait for the console update. Been wanting to see how MUL-T feels after the changes
tepid wolf
Double rebar is not really that broken since the nailgun + rebar is still better
vague comet
I dunno man
The very first time I tried double rebar I looped and obliterated for my first time (rainstorm mode)
narrow gate
just found an aspect! i feel lucky
analog lintel
nail+rebar is pretty much always better
granite shard
was kinda hoping this got fixed
the worm never even came close to killing the turret and he stayed there the entire time
come ooooon
my actual thought process:
'cool that's the last one, where are the ite-...'
languid quail
leave em alone they just wanna chill
this is what happen when you stacked too much gesture with fuel cells
granite shard
he spent ten straight seconds going in circles in a rock where i couldnt hit him
it aint on
if you wanna try some mad equipment stacking get 40 fuel cells and sawmerang...
let me see if i still have the clip anywhere
there you go
granite shard
add soulbound catalyst to really fuck things up
languid quail
its not exactly a crash combo without ma boi gesture
silver plover
it can be if you press the Q key fast enough
tepid wolf
I mean the current doll with catalyst is already pretty good
languid quail
sped
granite shard
amazingly the sawmerangs didnt crash my game
it just got very difficult when an enemy was on screen
solemn ingot
Can you still earn steam achieves with a modded client?
silver plover
yes
solemn ingot
tyy
silver plover
even if they don't unlock on steam immediately, you can launch the game unmodded, and it will pass your unlocked achievements from the logbook on to steam automatically
solemn ingot
actually insightful, thank you :0
bright palm
I heard the blast shower gets rid of the cooldown on the bands and it DOES but I was a fool who tried to to sawblade mithrix to death on his last phase which somehow didn't work out with all of the bleed in the world, 56 syringes, 3 predatory instincts, and a saw
I did get the last logbook I needed though!
lucid quarry
epico
keen osprey
You've heard of performance test commando, now here's performance test mercenary
red echo
haha atg go brrrrrrrrrrr
keen osprey
That's actually Disposable Missile Launcher with 18 stacks of Gesture
tawny zodiac
No, you don't understand
sure, capacitors do more damage
but missile launcher keeps hitting far after he steals your items
keen osprey
Was mainly using missile launcher to get the last 5 artifacts I needed in one fell swoop
I was an Engineer when I started this run
halcyon patrol
Wait hold up
What about like tons of fuel cells and gesture of the drowned
With a preon
halcyon patrol
But in the end phase he stands still
keen osprey
You'd need way more gestures to make it work
halcyon patrol
So it’s easy to hit
halcyon patrol
You right though cool down is 120 second regularly
keen osprey
140 actually
halcyon patrol
Oh yeah
halcyon patrol
Damn
I can understand most achievements but getting mastery on all characters is pretty good
keen osprey
Huntress was my biggest hurdle
halcyon patrol
Too bad I play on switch and can’t get those
keen osprey
Oh and to hell with The Demons and the Crabs
halcyon patrol
I mean I play on steam just not risk of rain 2
Oh yeah I still don’t have demons and crabs
It sucks
I only have one cause my drones always kill them
keen osprey
Thought you could cheese it with Primordial cube? Nope
Gotta walk those fuckers off the cliff
halcyon patrol
Sometimes they walk backwards so I lose progress
tepid wolf
I mean I did the the demons and the crabs just because gesture is amazing
halcyon patrol
And I gotta do it 20 times
keen osprey
Same
tepid wolf
I advise going loader on drizzle to farm them
halcyon patrol
I’ve been trying it but I just can’t
Worst part is that there most common in abyssal depths but there is no edge of the map there
keen osprey
I've had so much trouble with it because I'd either never see one in a run or I'm so OP that by the time they do spawn they're already dead
tepid wolf
Funny thing about loader right now that on windows 10 if I press shift while holding control it switches keyboards
Probably need to rebind it to something else since having that menu popup everytime I do it is really annoying
halcyon patrol
I remember one time where every single common I got would be a shield generator because I was using command so by the time I got to stage 40 or something I had around d 100,000 health
Pretty op
tepid wolf
I mean command is op generally
halcyon patrol
Every run is better than a god run
keen osprey
It ain't as OP as people think
tepid wolf
Having a free god run doesn't even feel that fun
halcyon patrol
Especially when you pick on hit items
keen osprey
Sure it cuts out the RNG, but you gotta stay still to pick your item
halcyon patrol
Although your right it does get boring
tepid wolf
Removing RNG from a game like ROR2 breaks balance completely
halcyon patrol
I mainly just do them now so I can get the monster log for the twisted scavenger already
limpid drum
Command is hard because escape doesn’t take you out of the menu
tepid wolf
"hard"
halcyon patrol
Ha
tepid wolf
In most command runs your build usually becomes so strong you can literally go AFK
halcyon patrol
Making the game easy is the point of command
Even without drones or happiest mask I can afk and destroy the enemy
keen osprey
I mainly use command for 16 player games
halcyon patrol
Although afk is kinda pointless cause you almost never need to save money
keen osprey
To prevent item jewing
dull ingot
item jewing 
keen osprey
It happens a lot
tepid wolf
I mean command could actually make melee acrid playable
dull ingot
I just liked the term lol
keen osprey
Especially in small spaces
tepid wolf
Melee acrid is torture
halcyon patrol
I remember a video where 16 people all played engineer with command artifact to the point where the had so many back up mags they each had about 20 mines each then they stuck them all on one of the players and he ran up to the boss and oneshotted him
tepid wolf
It works for the first few stages and then you just die instantly
keen osprey
With the new regenerative buff, melee acrid is pretty strong if you have an alien head or a purity
limpid drum
doesn’t fix his issues tho
keen osprey
Infinite bites 
halcyon patrol
Or rejuv rack
tepid wolf
Melee acrid works for the first few stages when the regenerate helps a ton
keen osprey
Aegis doesn't benefit from it tho
tepid wolf
Once enemies start doing massive damage it it isn't enough
keen osprey
Elder lemurians cough cough
limpid drum
that heal is still not enough to keep him in melee range as much as other characters IMO. He too damn large to be playing so close
can’t even strafe Titan lasers without enough movement speed lmao
halcyon patrol
Bruh elder lemurians are the biggest run Enders
tepid wolf
I mean the only viable true melee character is merc
limpid drum
have to be much closer
tepid wolf
Loader can sometimes melee too with the barrier
halcyon patrol
I’m just getting items and they destroy me with a flamethrower
keen osprey
Elder lemurians would be a bit more tolerable if they weren't so damn fast
tepid wolf
For how large they are they are pretty sneaky
halcyon patrol
Void reavers are pretty bad too
tepid wolf
Void reavers are fine unless you get nuked
keen osprey
Void Reavers are late game for a reason
halcyon patrol
One misstep and they one shot you
tepid wolf
Over 100 hours I got killed once by the death explosion (in middle of a god run as well)
keen osprey
Though imo I think Void Reavers should only show up after clearing the Void during a run
limpid drum
Lul void lamers
keen osprey
It would make sense, considering their corpses are scattered throughout it
tepid wolf
Elite brass contraptions have killed me so many times though
limpid drum
I only got killed by it once and that’s because it’s a new player trap
tepid wolf
The death explosion also kills all nearby enemies
keen osprey
Implosion
limpid drum
I had a lot of defensive items and barrier so I was not thinking I would get one shot from anything
halcyon patrol
I remember one time I was on stage 14 or something and some random elite imp oneshotted me at full health
limpid drum
You die to the death trap once and then never again
tepid wolf
Teddies can also block it from what I heard
halcyon patrol
I don’t think so
limpid drum
vs the chad mini mushroom
always hits you when you least expect it
red echo
can I get a 
in the chat for void reaver chain reactions finally getting fixed
limpid drum
Teddies can that’s how I didn’t know they were insta death if they hit you
my first few explosions were blocked
tepid wolf
I think they just hit for 100% max HP
red echo
afaik it just straight up sets your health to 0
limpid drum
I’d imagine it’s more of what Cylon said
then you could just get aegis with heals and be fine
halcyon patrol
They should make a one shot artifact
limpid drum
Yup glass
red echo
it's called glass :v
limpid drum
Die instantly 👍
halcyon patrol
It sets your health to 10% so it isn’t terrible
I mean 1 health
And you can’t increase it
limpid drum
That’s why I’ve yet to do an all artifacts run in risk of rain 2
halcyon patrol
No shields or barriers
tepid wolf
The 10% health is already oneshot range
limpid drum
the moment a wisp spawns the run ends
halcyon patrol
And removes oneshot protection
red echo
idk 10% health and no osp effectively means you will get one shot by everything from stage 1 onwards
halcyon patrol
But you can still increase your health
limpid drum
long way to go lmfao
tepid wolf
It isn't enough
limpid drum
how many infusions would that be
halcyon patrol
A lot
red echo
you can't realistically increase your health enough to not get one shot
tepid wolf
Increasing your health doesn't really matter
red echo
cuz no osp with glass artifact
tepid wolf
Like malachite wisps even on normal runs take away over 30% HP
red echo
that's a big maybe
halcyon patrol
I hate Celestine monsters
limpid drum
I love and hate them, super smart enemy design
tepid wolf
Malachites are worse
hybrid maple
just stack brooches lol
tepid wolf
Brooches also won't save you with the glass artifact
limpid drum
yeah the worst was when I had celestines hiding malachite golems
tepid wolf
Also elite clay templars are the worst
limpid drum
And yeah I’m pretty sure you can’t get barrier that super hyper eclipses HP
red echo
it's a pretty well known fact that playing MAAO you aren't allowed to get hit by anything ever because you will die at any point of the game
halcyon patrol
It’s also not fun cause I get confused when I get a ghost of one of them
red echo
keep in mind that max barrier is based on max hp
limpid drum
^^^
halcyon patrol
So I don’t know if it’s hiding enemies or not
limpid drum
That makes sense as to why I’ve never had barrier more than my bar really
red echo
yeah barrier is capped to 100% of max hp
limpid drum
And glass will fuck with that but at the same time only like a kill or 2 will give you barrier OSP right
red echo
no OSP with glass
halcyon patrol
They should make the opposite of glass artifact
red echo
brooches are effectively useless with glass artifact
dull ingot
barrier having osp was removed a long time ago
halcyon patrol
500% hp but %10 attack
tepid wolf
That's a bad idea
tepid wolf
The enemy damage just scales too fast
halcyon patrol
Your right
red echo
yeah barrier osp went away a long time ago
dull ingot
in hidden realms update iirc
halcyon patrol
And it would be pretty boring with so little damage
tepid wolf
Tank builds are only really doable with a permanent uptime elephant
halcyon patrol
It’d take forever to kill bosses
tepid wolf
Mainly since repulsive armor plates are applied after armor
limpid drum
damn that is quite tragic. I guess glass artifact runs are just ending in stage 6
red echo
Maybe you could tank glass artifact with perma uptime elephant and a bunch of armor plates 🤔
nah maao long road is doable
just don't get hit 👌
tepid wolf
Not brave enough to try long road melee acrid
limpid drum
😔
halcyon patrol
You no what isn’t fun
tepid wolf
Maybe if you had tesla
limpid drum
I try not to get hit a lot
halcyon patrol
Huntress with 50 goat feet and 20 sprint cans
limpid drum
BRO
red echo
huntress go NYOOOOOOM
tepid wolf
Hutress is fun once you get the ballista
halcyon patrol
Impossible to control but totally worth it
limpid drum
GLASS ARTIFACT IN VOID FIELDS
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE
limpid drum
Unclearable stage
halcyon patrol
And I had like 20 hardlight afterburners
red echo
also doable but not something i would really recommend
halcyon patrol
So I was zoooooooomin
red echo
super risky
halcyon patrol
But worth it
red echo
if you want impossible void fields, eclipse 8 👌
halcyon patrol
It was hard just to stay in the teleported zone
tepid wolf
The alt M1 for huntress just goes so nuts with high crit
halcyon patrol
I use all of huntresses alts
tepid wolf
Yep me as well
red echo
there's not much reason to not use all of huntress's alts
tepid wolf
Phase blink took some getting used to
red echo
strafe is ok to take if you're doing stage 6 mithrix
beyond that there is no reason to not take triple blink and ballista
halcyon patrol
It’s sad that she’s like the only one where all the alts are actually worth it
limpid drum
dude eclipse man I don’t even wanna imagine
tepid wolf
I would say normal/phase blink is personal preference
limpid drum
game hard man
tepid wolf
Strafe is better for shorter runs generally
halcyon patrol
I wish the alts were actually just better versions of the regulars
limpid drum
why
tepid wolf
Alts should be sidegrades
halcyon patrol
I mean why would I do a tough achievement to get a skill I’ll never use
tepid wolf
And a solid part of them are
halcyon patrol
Like why would I replace artificers bomb
limpid drum
They should not be fixing issues characters have tbh, it’s bad that commando feels so horrid early on without alts
halcyon patrol
That’s literally her main mechanic
limpid drum
Because ice literally kills things at 30%
red echo
spear is gud
tepid wolf
Commando's nades always felt awful for me
Spear/bomb also comes to personal preference
halcyon patrol
I mean the spear is good but the bomb is better
limpid drum
Arti’s alt M2 is like phase blade but good
red echo
ehhh
dull ingot
Like why would I replace artificers bomb
then don't, that's the point of alt skills
red echo
both are viable options
halcyon patrol
If I used spear I’d have no aoe
red echo
there's a reason bomb got buffed in 1.0
limpid drum
That’s why you uh
halcyon patrol
Your right
limpid drum
Aim the spear
halcyon patrol
Fair point
tepid wolf
It has piercing instead of AOE
Nano bomb is pretty hard to aim at longer distances now
halcyon patrol
I did just remember there’s a reason I like aoe my aim sucks
red echo
halcyon patrol
Which is also why I play huntress
tepid wolf
Huntress requires a lot of dodging though
red echo
meanwhile mercenary mains out here requiring perfect flick shots
halcyon patrol
I don’t what I would do if she didn’t have auto aim
tepid wolf
Since huntress is the squishiest character in the game
red echo
laughs in mercenary
halcyon patrol
I wish there was a item that gave us extra charges for our specials
red echo
merc now has 20 more hp than huntress and the same hp regen \o/
but yeah iframe gang
blinding assault go brrrrrr
limpid drum
Yeah his HP nerf was kinda mean
limpid drum
he didn’t need it though
limpid drum
why nerf for no reason or buff for no reason
tepid wolf
You generally need a slug or medkit now
red echo
@limpid drum i mean they had a perfectly valid reason to rework him
tepid wolf
But most character do anyway
red echo
he was meant to be a high skill survivor for sweaty tryhards but was instead hold m1 and mash your buttons on cd
tepid wolf
You kinda held M1 down constantly with the old merc
limpid drum
man....I’m a try hard now....
solemn ingot
Is there a way to play online while using the modded client? no lobbies seem to show up in multiplayer
mint maple
what do you think merc's alt utility could be🤔
tepid wolf
You just have to think with merc a bit more now
limpid drum
Trying to avoid too much attack speed so I don’t skip my 3rd primary attack
red echo
attack speed is great on him now tho
limpid drum
When was it bad on him lol
mint maple
did I hear 100 soldier syringes
tepid wolf
I mean it was always good on him if you used eviscerate
red echo
pre 1.0
limpid drum
how was it bad
red echo
it was ok but didn't honestly scale that well because only evis really benefited from it
prior to 1.0 his m1 didn't scale with attack speed correctly
tepid wolf
Eviscerate is basically a souped up suppressive fire when you think about it
red echo
can we take a moment to appreciate slicing winds being meta now
limpid drum
pretty sure currant alt R doesn’t scale from attack speed either lmao
tepid wolf
Both are actually viable
red echo
both are absolutely viable
limpid drum
Yeah no issue with alt R being stronger
red echo
but if you can live without evis iframes slicing winds is so much more damage
limpid drum
he now has the most balanced alts imo
tepid wolf
You gain more damage with rising thunder but it is harder to stay on target
red echo
it's a bit of a toss up
limpid drum
Are you a better player? Winds for more deeps
are you filthy casul? Stick with evis
I like rising because chunky damage and airtime but awkward to use and no aoe
red echo
it's 50% more base damage but only one hit, so you only get one chance to activate proc items, whereas whirlwind is less base damage but you get two chances to proc
two ATG procs from whirlwind will outdamage one ATG proc from thunder
tepid wolf
Doing 450% damage is great for bands
red echo
thunder definitely synergizes better with bands than whirlwind
halcyon patrol
Hi I’m back
red echo
tho thanks to exposed you can proc bands off a 650% hit with a dash activating it
limpid drum
And nothing can match the euphoria of uppercutting a wisp into infinity
tepid wolf
Also a rising thunder on an exposed enemy deals a devastating 800% damage which can go nuts with on hits
I mean at some point I would love to unlock slicing winds but the challenge is rough
red echo
i mostly opt for whirlwind for the mobility because i run slicing winds
halcyon patrol
What’s the challenge for slicing winds again?
red echo
i should really stop being lazy and record some merc gameplay to show off his new mechanics for the masses that think he got nerfed 🤔
tepid wolf
I've had tons of fun with mobile turrets with spider mines and harpoons on engi recently
limpid drum
But he did get nerfed in certain aspects
halcyon patrol
All his alts are op
red echo
@halcyon patrol prismatic trial without losing health
limpid drum
I won’t say he’s worse tho
tepid wolf
merc got nerfed early game
red echo
he's stronger overall but harder to play
tepid wolf
Also normal turrets have more DPS and range
limpid drum
I really want to like grenade but it just feels too hard to use
tepid wolf
Harpoons are about on par with the bubble
red echo
there's nothing worse than dropping your turrets for the boss fight and they just run off to go fight some lemurians away from the tp zone
halcyon patrol
It sucks that all enemy ai is god tier but all drones,turrets, and ghosts have garbage ai
tepid wolf
Mobile turrets are great at stacking bleeds though
Also at triggering death's mark since they cause a slow debuff
tepid wolf
Well 2D is a lot simpler for AI
red echo
oh hey someone added some of the new mechanics to the merc wiki entry but they apparently haven't found the op combos yet
halcyon patrol
They always targeted bosses
limpid drum
I do think it’s really cool tho but I’d rather just getting like x2 damage all the time instead of x4 at the center
tepid wolf
Suppressive fire mainly scales better than nades
limpid drum
unlike mercs new stuff it’s wonky to work with
You cant just learn how it works and be gucci
red echo
merc is now the bastard child of yasuo and riven from LoL
tepid wolf
The nades need some sort of change to be less wonky
They could either stick to enemies or just explode on impact
Or you cook said grenades by holding R
limpid drum
yes puhlease
red echo
sticky grenades would be pretty hype
halcyon patrol
I wish that if for on hit items like lens maker glasses when you go past the effective limit it adds a chance to do double the effect. So if you had 11 glasses you had a 100% percent chance to do double but a 10% chance to do double that
limpid drum
I prefer instant gratification tho
tepid wolf
The only really good thing about nades right now is proccing bands and killing groups of enemies early game
Since commando is really item reliant early game
halcyon patrol
@red echo sticky grenades have pretty low damage and the chance is pretty low so it’s not that effective
tepid wolf
You either need a ukulele or will-0-wisp generally
halcyon patrol
Will o wisp is op
tepid wolf
Not really
halcyon patrol
You only really need one
tepid wolf
I mean scythes and ATGs are also insanely strong
dull ingot
how +180% is low damage?
limpid drum
uh
limpid drum
Can’t kill a group of beetles smh
tepid wolf
Because suppressive fire is 6X100%
halcyon patrol
True
limpid drum
The x4 is chunky tho
tepid wolf
And scales well
limpid drum
^
2 grenades with x4 boost is 700%x2
if you can use grenades real good I’m sure they can match up
halcyon patrol
They should add mounts to this game
limpid drum
Commandoficer smh
dull ingot
potmobile when
tepid wolf
Even getting that chunky 4X damage is hard since the grenades are so wonky
limpid drum
But ?x100% with a 1.0 on each shot
halcyon patrol
Like if you get a legendary item there is a chance when you kill it you can resummon it and ride it
limpid drum
Hard to match
tepid wolf
I mean commando kinda got dethroned as proc king by captain's M1
limpid drum
become the bullet hell
halcyon patrol
They should have a character that’s super weak but possess enemies
red echo
@red echo sticky grenades have pretty low damage and the chance is pretty low so it’s not that effective
@halcyon patrol i was referring to commando's nades, not the sticky bomb item
tepid wolf
8X0.75 proc coeficient is just that good
halcyon patrol
Oh
limpid drum
we don’t talk about captain M1
red echo
also sticky bomb's chance scales with item stacks jsyk
limpid drum
Slightly worse commando alt M2 for better proc chance
halcyon patrol
Best m1 in the games
tepid wolf
Once you get AOE commando is pretty fun
limpid drum
it is stronk
halcyon patrol
I jus wish he had something that made him stronger
tepid wolf
Captain is pretty strong currently
limpid drum
^
tepid wolf
His M1 and utility are really good
red echo
captain is lowkey op
limpid drum
Besides mobility he’s not really weak anywhere
tepid wolf
The microbots scale with attack speed as well
halcyon patrol
But he’s just to basic for me
limpid drum
Except in void fields lmfao
red echo
he's fine in fields too tbh
halcyon patrol
I just want something that makes commando more fun to play
tepid wolf
I mean he is still solid there because his M1 is that strong
limpid drum
definitely weaker tho
limpid drum
Where is my high skill mercmando
halcyon patrol
@tepid wolf you are right about that
tepid wolf
It's his purpose to literally introduce you to the game
So him being a pew pew man is a good thing
limpid drum
I dunno about in Risk of Rain 2 tho
His harder early game turns a ton of people off and that’s bad
halcyon patrol
Honestly I really want the chef from ROR1 to be the next character
red echo
commando's base skills should get a buff tbh
halcyon patrol
I mained chef
tepid wolf
Commando just needs some AOE
halcyon patrol
He does need aoe
red echo
like he's your intro to the game but his base kit is so incredibly bad
limpid drum
that isn’t wacky grenade lmao
halcyon patrol
All of his attacks require accuracy
tepid wolf
I still remember when suppressive fire didn't scale with attack speed when I started
limpid drum
red echo
throwback
limpid drum
Don’t remind me.
halcyon patrol
Of what
limpid drum
No phase blast and R didn’t scale with attack speed. Cursed character
chrome hedge
old Sticky Bomb printer with Commando ❤️
tepid wolf
Also phase round was even worse
chrome hedge
you pretty much won the game at that time
tepid wolf
Old stickies were mini atgs
limpid drum
If you could survive long enough to reach a printer lmfao
tepid wolf
Glass was still more broken
Nothing comes close to pre 1.0 glass stacking shenanigans
chilly bay
Hehehe.
Glass.
Broken.
Cuz it's glass.
limpid drum
I’m all for a red item sticky that is old sticky but has a chance to spawn duds
tepid wolf
I think it mast broken before the hidden realms update when barrier had OSP as well
halcyon patrol
I wish the old artifacts were easier to get
limpid drum
Or does self damage if you get hit
tepid wolf
So you could tank 2 shots with single digit HP
halcyon patrol
I spent hours trying to get the kin artifact in the first game
red echo
eh that wouldn't be that good tbh flori
old sticky was broken because of the stacking and it being a white item and thus easy to stack
limpid drum
Doesn’t have to be
halcyon patrol
I miss the chef
limpid drum
It fun
halcyon patrol
He needs to be in ROR2
tepid wolf
Captain was a good addition to be honest
limpid drum
Sniper....
halcyon patrol
Although I don’t know how his m1 would work
red echo
chef
halcyon patrol
Chef
tepid wolf
Looks cool from a aesthetic and lore standpoint
halcyon patrol
Definitely chef
red echo
lbr tho we need bandit and enforcer
chrome hedge
CHEF M1 is easy enough... it's the enhanced version that would be problematic to translate
halcyon patrol
Actually bandit would be fun
limpid drum
Sniper i’d play more in risk of rain 2 no cap
tepid wolf
I think there's still unfinished bandit in the files with the model and everything
halcyon patrol
But wave buster your right his m1 would be weird in 3D
limpid drum
If he added a weak spot mechanic kinda like expose
halcyon patrol
Actually there is a pretty solid sniper mod out there that works amazingly
chrome hedge
realistically, enhanced M1 would probably just work similarly to Sawmerang in 3D
limpid drum
snipers attacks give a status that allows for weak point shots like golem eyeballs and beetle eye balls
halcyon patrol
And exactly the same as the original
limpid drum
no mods online tho 😭😭😭😭
red echo
sniper mod should just be added directly to the game
halcyon patrol
It would work pretty well
They would just have to tweak the mod a bit to avoid glitches and to make it cleaner
It’s already a pretty well made mod
tepid wolf
I mean a sniper character could not translate the best in ROR2
red echo
@tepid wolf go play with sniper mod and tell me that again
it's fun af and absolutely translated just fine to ror2
halcyon patrol
@tepid wolf your right cause enemies get close to you and swarm pretty quickly so getting at a distance is tough
So he should probably have like a short range melee attack or something
Like a knife or pistol
To balance
tepid wolf
Things like bombrushing you in ROR2
chrome hedge
make Sniper get cloaked after spending 3 seconds out of combat 
red echo
literally just copy the entire sniper mod :v
chrome hedge
more of a reference to snipers in MOBA-like games but lol
halcyon patrol
I think though if they added enforcer they should give him the ability to parry attacks
Actually never mind he has a riot sheild that would be pretty hard to parry
Probably just like a shield that stops damage until it breaks and then comes back overtime
red echo
yoooo merc's alt shift should be a parry stance :v
halcyon patrol
I still think there should be a character that’s super weak but can posses or tame enemies
analog lintel
i think thats called happiest mask
analog lintel
and that would run into major issues if there is only 1 enemy thats strong and maybe a few weak ones
chilly bay
If this game wasn't MP a character that can briefly stop time would be rad.
analog lintel
time keeper's secret moment
red echo
i'm thinking something like a ~0.8s animation where he holds his sword in front of him, any damage taken from that direction in the window is reflected back, maybe something like 200% base + 100% of incoming damage? idk
halcyon patrol
Then maybe he could be like a summoner that’s Summons special monsters depending on his level
red echo
🤔
red echo
you expected a teddy bear
but it's me, dio
halcyon patrol
Ultimate jojo reference
pulsar loom
You thought this was a risk of rain 2 discussion, BUT IT WAS ME, DIO!
red echo
wasn't dio's already confirmed to be a jojo reference
chilly bay
Also I agree that a parry/counter would be a good fit for merc.
halcyon patrol
Technically breathing is a jojo reference because of Hamon
limpid drum
please no
chilly bay
I thought Dio's Best Friend was a reference to a cat.
halcyon patrol
Therefore we are all jojo references
dull ingot
obligatory reminder that 
isn't related to jojo
halcyon patrol
But what if it is
red echo
it is apparently a reference to a cat
limpid drum
Pretty sure it wasn’t because I don’t see a connection
red echo
i think it's hopoo's cat 🤔
polar anvil
dio is hopoo's cat
hearty violet
normal hamlet
yo why is eclipse actually so hard
cant get a single win, feels so bad
feel like I'm playin damn good, but my build never feels strong enough against Mith. and looping seems like suicide unless I get great RNG
thorn plover
bruh i was gonna loop my run and forgot to change the destination
now i have to fight the boss
faint vector
FUCKING OVERLOADING BRASS CONTRAPTIONSDESTROYED MY PERFECT RUN
I HATE HORDES OF MANY WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THEM I HOPE THEY HAVE A NICE CHRISTMAS
thorn plover
Bro you did mult too, same
faint vector
IT WAS SO GOOD TOO
I HAD HEADSTOMPERS, HOPOO, BEHEMOTH
AHHHGDHGFHDFGKHHGH
you know what would have saved this
some crit
thorn plover
i have 3 glasses so far, bro my dumbass forgot to change the dest. so i have to fight the boss now
obtuse hollow
Good luck
thorn plover
the only red i have is reju rack
clever rose
does anyone have any advice for mithrix's bullshit final phase
ive beat it once before but got stuck in the floor trying to leave so now i have to do it all over again
mild brook
It's bullshit yeah, it already got fixed for the next patch
halcyon patrol
Well don’t use sheild generators cause you’ll get used to having health and then he’ll take it away
I can’t think of any good strategies though
Cause obviously you can’t use items
mild brook
Btw you can already try the new patch by going to the test branch version in #test-branch-feedback just sayin
halcyon patrol
Only advice I can give is don’t get hit
rugged garnet
How are hordes getting changed?
tiny frost
lmao, i'm even having trouble beating the agme on rainstorm with commando
fucking RNG bullshit
weary saddle
Yeah the hordes are going to be changed on every stage except the sewer which will remain the same, since many players havent been skilled enough to make it there
wind shadow
the new "giant rat" enemy really surprised me in the sewer. blazing giant rat was so op
weary saddle
dude overloading giant rat was really tough!!!!!
analog lintel
@thorn plover if youre not in eclipse, you can use the artifact teleporter to loop even if you forget
@clever rose the last myth phase can be won with any items on any ranged character so long as you dont have drones, tesla coils, more than 3 behemoths, genesis loop, or nkahuna
basically when the phase starts, run to the back corner of any of the raised platforms on the outside of the arena
wait there until myth gets below you, then wait for him to needle the platform under you then shoot him
even if he has 100 medkits and an aegis stack youll win
clever rose
im just gonna wait till they fix him
analog lintel
you get items back from him not depending on how much his health gets lowered, its dependent on time and hits taken
you can do 1 damage over and over and get your items back
halcyon patrol
I just absolutely destroyed my switch by using not only the swarm artifact but also the soul artifact to the point to where the stage doesn’t exist anymore the ground and sky are just coated in a thick layer of enemies Its so bad I’m actually starting to miss there being only 5 frames per second
safe ruin
is dying in prismatic trials for a fast time intended?
I'm pretty sure it's not but just checking lmao
final shadow
Not intended, but you might as well go for the fastest death% run while you still can
safe ruin
i'm already at 24th because of dying early lmao
winged briar
i have an important announcement: i have entered the Engineer Zone
i am afking in the void fields with sacrifice on and hearing beetles die in stereo sound with king gizzard on in the background
supple widget
lol
granite crag
The giant rat is so hard since it makes all of the rules
frosty terrace
my strat for mithrix last phase is to stand next to one of the square pillars close to the center of the arena. Take cover behind it when mithrix attacks, wait for him to come close to the pillar, then kite him around it
if he's hugging the pillar, there will always be cover close enough to not eat a whole needle barrage before getting to safety
if you gave mithrix bleed items, you still need to be careful
having an equipment that heals you is useful for that bleed, if no bleed, preon or or royal cap can help you get items back
oak ferry
ok
patent pumice
@languid yarrow
past yarrow
a bullet sponge with an instant kill mechanic when it dies
granite crag
Space crab
tiny frost
i saw one explode and take another out ontop of a multishop
then i go into the multishop and i died...
granite crag
Oh cool you can see the special death message
past yarrow
yeah, anything in it's bubble dies when it implodes
tiny frost
will there be a 2nd implosion if a void reever dies by another void reever?
past yarrow
yeah
final shadow
That's fixed in the next patch, however
past yarrow
no idea why though
frosty terrace
I also got that message when a void reaver got me. I like it
end of Time, I wonder why time is capitalized
made me think of hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
granite crag
Oh shit I never saw that it was capitalized
glacial vault
probably cause they're talking about like, the entity?
uh how do i word that lmao
Time as in the actual concept, not time as in clocks
faint vector
i won’t lie monsoon got way funnier and easier once I started rushing the first stages
tiny frost
I think my game is bugged, i keep having golems spawn in
frosty terrace
try hitting a newt altar on first stage and clearing void fields. catapults you to a very strong point most of the time
faint vector
funner not funny
nothing funny about monsoon
also yeah void fields is strong but it’s kinda annoying
frosty terrace
pastah that's a family event, says it in the chat
faint vector
like, i wouldn’t do it each run
tiny frost
do i get anything for beating the stage with this event?
frosty terrace
nah, just rare extra challenge
faint vector
boss item right?
frosty terrace
2% chance for one of the family events to happen when you enter a stage
I'm not sure if it's a boss item always, could be
faint vector
i think so
frosty terrace
actually no, I had jelly event today and got ghor's tome
faint vector
ah
past yarrow
no, boss items aren't guaranteed in any situation
tiny frost
SEND HELP NOW
faint vector
recycler is so fucking good though
past yarrow
it's just a fun switch up during a run that you can get
frosty terrace
yeah recycler is amazing. Turning a knurl into a shatterspleen feels amazing
faint vector
changing a frost relic for a brainstalks
frosty terrace
or clover
tiny frost
i think i'm safe up here
past yarrow
just imagine if all those stone titans were elites
faint vector
if u think about it, recycler is just item clover. if item is not good, reroll one more time for a positive outcome
tiny frost
WEW
past yarrow
clover still has an element of RNG though, recyclers remove it
faint vector
I mean obviously it’s not exactly that. But it’s the same concept
It wouldn’t make sense as RNG cause the game can’t tell what’s a “positive outcome” item
Within a specific tier
frosty terrace
we are talking about the recycler equipment blitz, not 3d printers etc
faint vector
Single moms with 9 kids be like
frosty terrace
lol
shut crown
oh god
crystal oxide
obtuse hollow
The council will decide your fate
Oh my, what a large preon accumulator you have there
stuck meadow
124
spark narwhal
your game isn't bugged some times stages will be set to only have 1 enemy type in the stage, without the kin artifact.
hidden fable
so, does anyone know anything about mithrix's brother?
spark narwhal
that's the first game.
obtuse hollow
Tithrix
your game isn't bugged some times stages will be set to only have 1 enemy type in the stage, without the kin artifact.
@spark narwhal it’s not a bug but a rare event
Message happens in the beginning of the stage like “The ground begins to rumble” or somethin
spark narwhal
Got the rare event on this stage as well, you can probably guess what enemy type it was by the purple text.
spark narwhal
it was vagrants only on siren's call.
lol imagine overloading worms on stage 4.
you just get an event that says welp your run is dead now
waxen girder
Overloading worm really isn’t as bad as people say
It’s just a magma worm that does triple damage
idle copper
even just reading that it sounds awful
waxen girder
Jelly fishes are slow
frosty terrace
the counter to overloading magma worm is high ground, I fought off 3 of them with captain, on monsoon, on sky meadow before looping
the ball lightnings can't drop on to you if you're always above the worm
standing on a pillar that the ball lightning can't drop on
then your only concern is dodging the worm's charge, which is easy enough with just one feather
winged briar
i have finally come to terms with the merc rework and am now having fun
"Acceptance"
frosty terrace
I'm working my way through survivors, haven't really delved too deep into the new merc. Tried it a few times and got destroyed.
winged briar
i'm having more fun with slicing winds than eviscerate honestly
frosty terrace
I don't have that unlocked yet
winged briar
i don't remember how to unlock it tbh
frosty terrace
it's the prismatic no damage challenge
winged briar
ohhh yeah i did that like 2 months ago because it was artifact of glass and kin so i just let squid poglyp take care of the teleporter boss
i got it realll easy
tight stratus
Oh, on Slicing Winds. It becomes self-perpetuating if you use it correctly, you can just hover in the sky and continually cast it, so long as you have multiple targets to hit.
frosty terrace
sounds awesome
tight stratus
yeah it's great. Slicing Winds can hit three targets at once, so as long as it hits three separate targets with the final hit, you can use Blinding Assault to hit all three at once and get three seconds knocked off your skill's cooldowns. While Slicing Winds is on cooldown itself, you can rally enemies into tight groups so you can hit them with the thrid strike of Laser Sword, which also delivers Exposed.
You can reduce the base cooldown with the use of Purity and Alien Head, but developing the skill to use Exposed optimally is vital to playing Merc.
You can also just get Brainstalks to remove skill cooldowns entirely, but that requires you to be able to kill Elites consistently.
I really like 1.0 Merc, he's easy to get a hang of, but the skill ceiling is at the height it's intended to be.
winged briar
idk how they managed to make me like slicing winds miles more than eviscerate but they did it
tight stratus
In my opinion, half of it comes from the mobility it affords you. It's very much a "fire and forget" skill, much like Engi's turrets.
Eviscerate is actually riskier to use because enemies can still throw projectiles at your motionless hitbox, like Mushrums.
Now if you could move yourself in the worldspace while Eviscerate is active, that would level the playing field between the two skills.
red echo
Whoa another merc nerd
main wyvern
Had an idea: Mul-T but his model's replaced with the Halo Warthog. Rocket Hog for Scrap Launcher, Chain Hog for nail gun, Gauss for Rebar Puncher, and uuuuuh idk for sawblade. Just so after beating Mithrix you can do a warthog run.
sand solar
what survivors are fun to use with purity? :o
granite crag
Loader
polar anvil
acrid
gusty pasture
artificer
sand solar
builds? :o
analog lintel
bands
carmine gyro
Artificer with bands and blast shower 🤪
sand solar
blast shower on all of them? :o
spark narwhal
yes bands with blast shower
errant yew
holy shit i never thought of taking blast shower for procing bands. im gonna try that out
carmine gyro
Yeah that's busted
One thing is, you still sacrifice your equipment for blast shower either way
spark narwhal
the bands out beat the missile launcher's damage so much to the point that I was using the missiles just to proc bands.
wet heath
Mercenary. Monsoon. Bollocks.
lyric oak
Protip: Don't pick up Corag's Opus and Gesture of Drowned as Captain.
opal plaza
Is it becuase they dont work?
opal plaza
Ah, if I'm correct it can work on captain, just only in multiplayer
But yeah, that would be horrible
waxen girder
so, turns out, effigy is amazing at helping to apply death mark
lusty matrix
Yall ever think they'll buff the elite equipment or change something with them
normal nymph
The best buff to aspects would be to just make them their own rarity and not take equipment, easy.
lusty matrix
Yeah absolutely
Feels so weird that they're even equipment but just serve as an item that're all kind of mediocre
normal nymph
Overloading and fire are the good ones
granite crag
Hopefully they’ll change them to just be items cause they ain’t worth it as equipment
dry mirage
Well they are just a fun little addition they are not supposed to be a great thing to use
dawn sapphire
does anyone know when the final boss and the captian will be added to the console versions to the game.
dull ingot
what's the max amount of forgive me please you can summon?
granite crag
I think 3 is the max
chrome hedge
updated Armor Piercing Rounds
broken ginkgo
Fire bolts will not proc bands, they only care if your ability does 400%+ base dmg, so even if you got your M1 crit boosted it would not proc bands, your M2 can easily proc them, 2 ATG also enough to proc them
chrome hedge
need M2 or Ion Surge for Arti
+ 
and 
with these
broken ginkgo
Nobody stops you to take purity and spam m2
sage lava
My wallet stops me
chrome hedge
Now I want to do a Commando "Grenades only" run
silent cloud
are we actually talking about the game here
his old stats again
past yarrow
what's wrong with mercs new stats?
scarlet obsidian
They are worse to balance exposed
silent cloud
i feel like he's a looot squishier or maybe i just got shittier at him
past yarrow
he definitely is squishier
scarlet obsidian
He is just harder
silent cloud
i dont find him necesarily hard/harder to play atm
im just tilted bc ive played like shit today
and fire kept getting me for being too ballsy
which wouldnt have gotten me with his previous stats, bc i was always ballsy
scarlet obsidian
He has decisions that he didn't have before
silent cloud
yeah i hate that i have to be a lot more careful, slicing winds should be careful enough
scarlet obsidian
It's so great honestly
past yarrow
it's less about being careful and more about being a quick thinker
scarlet obsidian
I love slicing winds so much
silent cloud
yeah brainstalks + slicing winds is hilarious
scarlet obsidian
Using rising thunder and uppercutting wisps into the ceiling
10 out of 10 bungus
past yarrow
but really, if you hate any aspect of playing merc, why play him?
silent cloud
bc sword man's cool
sage lava
Idk if I'm just bad or he's just so harder
silent cloud
he's just squishier so he dies quicker
scarlet obsidian
You just have to play him different
past yarrow
not if you dont get hit
silent cloud
people brag saying "oh he's actually hard now" he's really not hard nor harder, you can still mash buttons and annihilate shit. You just gotta be more careful bc he's sword commando now
past yarrow
he's harder, and that can't really be denied, because of him being squishier
silent cloud
yeah but not mechanics wise
past yarrow
that's kiiiinda the definition of something being harder in game
silent cloud
which is what people mostly talk about
ornate dragon
silent cloud
saying simp zz
sage lava
Duh