The issue is that M1 isn't really as slow as it feels it is.
#gd2-nullified
dim frigate
little reef
the aoe is 0.4x in the area
dim frigate
So you can stun pretty often.
little reef
the direct hit is 0.8
slim raptor
I mean.
The idea of a sniper is the ability to do massive damage to one target, but only one target.
In most instances of the class in games.
little reef
yeah, but its still only single target for significatly less an second
dim frigate
True. And to that end, I think that base M1 is pretty solid.
I definitely think that bringing back the idea of the spotter drone in some iteration would have been a much better choice than the current R
slim raptor
I liked the idea I saw a long while ago.
little reef
i do agree
dim frigate
Maybe identifying a weak spot on an enemy to shoot for massive damage
Activate it to target the highest HP enemy in the area, yadda yadda
little reef
i think having weakpoints would be cool
slim raptor
There was an idea that essentially gave sniper 3 grapple hooks that worked like the one in terraria. You could latch onto 3 points and "suspend yourself"
little reef
coz yknow, sniper
slim raptor
It sounded neat.
dim frigate
I think that grappling hooks has the issue of lending itself to campy gameplay
Which is a lot of why engineer just isn't very fun to play usually
little reef
but i wonder how easily that could be implemented
slim raptor
Engie is a ton of fun for me.
dim frigate
It's a fast paced game for a reason
slim raptor
Some people like the tower defense style.
dim frigate
Motion is power.
slim raptor
But the reason why engie still works.
little reef
is mobile turrets
slim raptor
Is because while it is campy gameplay, You are usually the bait so your turrets can live.
You are generally taking the enemies aggro and being the bait.
dim frigate
As for the weak points thing, I really think it could be implemented fairly easily
The drone sets a flag for an enemy, and when that enemy has the flag, there's a specific hitbox on the enemy that multiplies damage
little reef
oh right, yeah, i completely forgot that 3d models are split into hit boxes hahaha
dim frigate
Yep
little reef
hit the lizards foot for massive damage
little reef
hm?
dim frigate
Like Merc M2
little reef
so if you look down you go up?
dim frigate
Use it on a slope to achieve orbit
little reef
oh, like wax quail
slim raptor
I love how many ways you can still clip out of the map on accident with huntress.
little reef
i do think the mod is a bit jank, bit its pretty fun to play
slim raptor
"Oops, accidentally zipped into a corner. Guess i'll be in the v o i d"
dim frigate
Ooh, here's a solid idea.
An alternate LShift in addition to whatever roll
A sidearm that you can use to clear smaller ads instead of reloading for each
little reef
oh, thats cool
slim raptor
Give him an uzi.
little reef
like a pistol or something
slim raptor
Wait a moment.
dim frigate
I was thinking a baretta
slim raptor
Give him a bayonet.
dim frigate
I must say
little reef
now if i had any sort of skill in modding i'd give making my own sniper a shot
dim frigate
One-shotting the clay dunestrider with 9 crowbars felt very good
little reef
yeah
his single target chunk potential is real fun
you dont want to pick up attack speed on him though
at least not a lot
dim frigate
I'm assuming it scales the same way it did in 1?
dim frigate
Like that
Basically in 1, you had a similar M1 (not bound to M1, but not important), your M2 was a charged shot that did from 400%-2000% piercing through all enemies in a line, dealing reduced damage to each consecutive enemy, to a minimum. Your LShift was the same as this, though it didn't autoreload, it made you untargetable. It wasn't as awkward in 1 because of the 2D perspective. Your R activated a drone (didn't take damage, unlike other drones) that would go to the highest HP enemy on the screen and mark them, giving 100% crit chance and slowing them.
M1 was base 250% damage instead of 360%, with reloading increasing the damage by 150% or 200%, depending on which zone you hit (perfect zone was also much smaller)
Sniper also had either the highest or one of the highest base damages in the game, which meant they scaled super well with items and drones.
(Oh wait. The slow was on the upgraded R)
little reef
this sniper has roughly the same base dmg as the other survivors so thats why the multipliers are so high
dim frigate
Still, that higher ratio does a lot more.
Because the higher damage was like +2 damage base, +.5 per level
little reef
yeah
dim frigate
Way better than chef
azure sierra
still wish he was in 2 too
just need to figure out how to rework the second ability and hes golden really
out of curiosity, why was backflip a back movement ability according to you
dim frigate
Bad?
First off, it was only passable in the first game because of the 2D perspective. Same with huntress blink.
azure sierra
oh in the context of ror2, sure
dim frigate
But even for that, it was too entirely one-dimensional. There was no potential to use it impressively.
Once you activated it, you were locked into the full animation and the direction. You couldn't interact with anything during it
azure sierra
honestly its been a while since 1, how did it compare to the rest
dim frigate
Compare it to other movement abilities of the same variety.
next root
Does Artifact of swarm affect the Artifact of Sacrifice?
dim frigate
Commando's was very similar, but you could redirect it to deftly dive between hitboxes.
Huntress's was a blink, but honestly, still was trash. They both hit the "terrible movement ability" box in my book.
Merc's had the advantage of a stun while using it. Even if the stun wasn't as long as it was (and was more akin to his ROR2 version), it has the potential to be used right before a hitbox would be thrown out to interrupt an enemy. Multiple dashes by hitting an enemy with it also lead to a trade-off of aggressive play versus passive safety. Do you want more dashes, or just get out of the fight?
little reef
you get roughly the same amount of items for the amount of time you spend
dim frigate
I don't think there were other dashes quite like those 2
Also, Artifact of Swarm doesn't change anything except how the enemies spawn in, iirc
next root
oh okay, thanks :D
dim frigate
It just forces them to spawn in bigger groups without affecting spawn rates
torn sand
https://steamdb.info/app/632360/depots/
Public_test updated 4hrs ago 
plush flower
how do you play artificer on monsoon? like what items
little reef
crowbars, movement, ap rounds, bands, speed to the boss, chunk it and just wait it out
thats my guess
faint vector
is leth also the marketing director for this game
idle cloud
So how does barrier interact with enemies having Crowbar?
Cause I'm below 90% hp for my regular hp but when I have barrier up it feels like enemies are dealing a lot more damage
past sand
Just had a near godly start end almost as quickly because two clay templars and an imp overlord decreed it so
Gotta love RNJesus blessing and then smiting you in one fell swoop
long fern
alright, so you guys said that Rex is good, right?
polar anvil
Yes
long fern
alrigth
runic vigil
hes great for monsoon if you have difficulty with low health
long fern
so, how do I play him good?
runic vigil
your standard m1 and r heal you
use m1 in general and r for groups
when it comes to the r ability, you can kill anyone whos caught in it and youll still get the healing from it, so dont worry about that
and obv you can shove enemies into the circle
but really rex boils down to health management
thats his schtick basically
you can spam one ability when youre high on health and throw others when youre low
long fern
and obv you can shove enemies into the circle
....how did I not think of that, am I actually that stupid
runic vigil
maybe
runic vigil
id say hes the easiest on monsoon
because he can self heal
in terms of items, aegis definitely helps
n'kuhanas opinion too
long fern
id say hes the easiest on monsoon
I did get Rex mastery because I lucked out with a crit build and just held m1
runic vigil
the basic stuff like criticals, helps a lot too
runic vigil
i couldnt tell you that honestly
ive only done it with arti so far
and once, by cheesing the hell out of it
long fern
I know that I will have to grind the boss anyway do actually have a chance and I dont have the second utility on Rex so I will am thinking of trying to grind both at once
so far I tried to kill him once with Loader, I had a pretty decent build but I didnt stand a chance
cant do damage when I get, at best, twoshot at close range
crimson radish
What's the most effective loadout on MUL-T that doesn't involve swap abuse? I don't want to become reliant on something that may be patched out
red echo
double nailgun
little reef
ew
crimson radish
I've found saw to be pretty crazy late game, especially with healing stuff
red echo
saw can be pretty ridiculous
crimson radish
Just stand in a crowd or up against a boss, hold m1, live forever
Do junk or rebar have any value outside of swap abuse in 1.0?
red echo
it's hard to justify swapping nailgun or saw for junk/rebar
steel pivot
@acrid mains, is Blight ever good?
every time I run blight I wish I was running poison
red echo
blight is good for quick obliterates and runs with glass artifact
shrewd cove
who here is glad that shaped glass stacking is dead?
polar anvil
@steel pivot blight is good for quick rund
@shrewd cove me,definitely
steel pivot
@ cylon I forgot glass artifact existed lmao
long fern
well, you can still do it but its like playing dodgeball with hitscan wrenches
rare heart
I still do it, but after I got like... 10 infusions.
long fern
I know it would be really op but I miss when infusion didnt have a stack limit
little reef
whats their limit?
long fern
you can get at most 100 health per infusion
little reef
oh right
i thought you meant that there was a limit on how many you could stack
so like even if you have 100 infusions you only get the health from like 10
long fern
imagine shrine of balance and getting that many infusions, that would be some tanky health bar
wait, can shrine of balance turn everything you have into scrap?
rare heart
Yes it can, if you have scrap already.
long fern
thats horrible
forest fog
Am I fucking stupid or do the Void Reapers one shot you through one-shot-protection in their Death AoE
steady arch
They will end your run unless you have dios in their death aoe
forest fog
That's so lame
shrewd cove
yup, hitscan instakill
forest fog
Fucking Detainment
rare heart
You aren't dead, just detained until the end of time.
opal plaza
I've barely seen void reapers, are they new in this update?
forest fog
They've been here for a while
shrewd cove
they were added in hidden realms
opal plaza
How odd, I've only ran into one before
shrewd cove
they can only spawn on snowpoint and siren's
forest fog
Can they?
rare heart
Post loop, on rallypoint delta and sky meadows.
opal plaza
I got them on stage 5
shrewd cove
yeah, stage 5 too
rare heart
Looks like sirens call, too. Never actually remember seeing them there though.
opal plaza
They must be rare, i only saw it on my second loop
forest fog
I'm only mad because I had one Void Reapers' detainment zone kill another Reaper and that Reapers' zone just didn't show up
opal plaza
Just strike them down from orbit, only true way to handle them
forest fog
Now that's pathetic
I didn't think I'd die at this point besides Reapers lmfao
or an Elite Golem
opal plaza
It's always the worms
forest fog
Didn't get to do either challenge, Rip.
opal plaza
Ok, I have a stupid idea
I'm going to play loader on drizzle but have like 100 soldier syringes so I can grab the rest of the artifacts I never bothered to get
forest fog
Just get Crowbars instead
Fist go bzhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooum
opal plaza
Getting clapped by a golem the second you spawn is always fun
forest fog
Classic
normal kiln
What is the end of an eclipse run? Do I need to kill the final boss or what?
opal plaza
Either finish works
rare heart
Or obliterate.
opal plaza
Obliteration or Mithrix kill
normal kiln
Cool
forest fog
Do I get the Captain thing for the Prototype Drone if I just kill Mithrix and run away
Or does it not count
rare heart
You mean the TC-280?
safe vapor
Shit you can obliterate on eclipse, thought it was mithrix only
past sand
When you're finally sick of Mithrix's shit and wanna just delete him
hearty violet
does time matter anymore? got to stage 4 at 30min and still destroy everything
left stage 5 at 50 min and beat the game stage 10
normal hamlet
just looks like you had a good run
they made difficulty scale 10% more in this update, actually
hearty violet
I was thinking printers just lowered the difficulty by a lot
normal hamlet
I mean. They provide for more choice to make your run easier
reef cloak
full crit with both bands and meat hook before first loop
normal hamlet
but they require time investment in finding scrappers, and printers, and doing them one at a time
hearty violet
even without meat hook i single target killed a vagrant in 5sec
normal hamlet
full crit, both bands
hearty violet
oh
normal hamlet
deadly
hearty violet
so get both bands and a crit printer at some point and god run
snow cargo
past sand
Man, 100% uptime spinel tonic is fuuuuun
Oh sweet jesus that cathartic feeling of finally decimating Monsoon Mithrix
Now to figure out if I'm just fucking awful at Artificer or it's just bad at the Mithrix fight
mint birch
hello
raw hemlock
Does being intangible make you immune to void reavers?
Asking for a friend who has 48 seconds of strides of herasy
languid yarrow
Immune to the void reaver death globe? I don't think so
rare heart
I wish void reavers appearing wasn't a "don't bother with drones any more" event.
thorny dew
@past sand gotta love infinte moon juice
gaunt quail
Captain and the visions of heresy is busted
polar anvil
Is fixed
vapid raven
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592203180457066536/745057394362679316/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/378988424880848896/745058541181599894/unknown.png
3 minutes apart, i went in blind, it didn't end well
dim frigate
Did you die on first stage?
past sand
Nowhere near enough AP rounds, frost bands, power cells or royal capacitors for monsoon mithrix
rare heart
Just throw down 40 spider mines at the start of stage four, they'll remain passive until he's hittable.
past sand
Ah yes, the fabled spider mine commando
rare heart
Trail of metamorphosis, lets you keep getting commando achievements and achievements for the guy you change into.
vapid raven
it was 4th stage
he stole all my items, so 4th stage
and again, i had no idea what was going to happen, first time getting there, completely blind
monsoon+swarm lol
past sand
I genuinely find swarm mithrix easier than single mithrix
Which actually makes sense because you hit him twice instead of once per effect
rare heart
Swarm chaos mithrix.
vapid raven
yeah, that's true, i just wanted to get 4 achievements all at once, first victory, victory on monsoon, monsoon on commando, and incorruptible
i was so close D:
lofty hemlock
past sand
Just gotta stack more AP rounds so you can dick him down before he gets a chance to swing back
vapid raven
now that i know what's going on, definitely will happen, also them lizzybois gonna get you neon
lofty hemlock
the speed is horrific
muted spade
monkaS
frosty terrace
void fields is such a cool addition to the game. In a normal run it adds risk and reward. In a sacrifice run it gives you an infinite source of items with eventual immortality
vapid raven
depends on how much you value your sanity
muted spade
In a sacrifice run it gives you an infinite source of items with eventual immortality
@frosty terrace so will the bulwark's ambry with command, except that is safer and you basically just choose to have a god run
lofty hemlock
that is true
vapid raven
i like void fields more because fungi-engi+razorwire=brrrrr
red echo
with an armor plate, a titanic knurl and a razorwire or two can you just afk in the void? 🤔
frosty terrace
yeah there's many ways to just afk in the void
lofty hemlock
some bungus also works
frosty terrace
you don't need a lot of healing
just pick up enough items to kill everything efficiently and never take damage, then just go to bed or something
2 ceremonial daggers and some bands, everything dies
eager badger
All you need for void fields is either a fungus, slug, medkit, or armor plate
Since the armor plate pretty much negates entirely being outside the bubble
frosty terrace
doesn't the armor plate only reduce damage to 1 per tick? can't be 0 if I recall
but yeah, if you have a proc loop going that kills stuff constantly, even topaz brooch keeps you safe
muted spade
yeah armor plates cannot reduce damage bellow 1
rare heart
All hits will do at least 1 damage, yes.
eager badger
Yeah
Most characters have 1hp regen
So it just negates the void fields entirely (unless you are on monsoon but it's still pretty much not a threat)
frosty terrace
1hp per second probably? not per game tick
past sand
I just spent fucking ages trying to find the teleporter in stage 2, god I hate the spawn locations sometimes
rare heart
Dude, I remember before they added the particle effects.
Spending 15 minutes on wetland aspect was the norm. I got lost for half and hour once.
eager badger
I've seen it spawn there plenty of times
frosty terrace
it just had to be your first priority back then
just run around until you find it
eager badger
Wetland aspect just has some weird spawns but the particles can be seen from a mile away
rare heart
Back then, people actually popped open all the chests because they couldn't find the damn teleporter.
eager badger
That's a cool effect they added
Nobody asked for it but it's hella cool
I approve
frosty terrace
that's a piece of the same structure you use to obliterate. It's a portal device mithrix showed providence
alpine current
thats an effect? it looks like a bug
rare heart
When people ask me where the other half of that code is, I tell them "||Nowhere||".
eager badger
Its an effect, that got torn in half by a void reaver explosion
eager badger
You can guess where the other half is, have fun
void badge
anybody know if happiest mask void reavers kill you?
alpine current
the void i just left because it spawned clay templars with crowbars?
rare heart
Perhaps.
frosty terrace
clay templars in void are real scary
void badge
i guarantee that's what will kill me
eager badger
If you have a razor wire the Templars are a joke
frosty terrace
vultures in void can also be real scary, at least on monsoon a few of those hit like a truck
eager badger
The void in general is a joke with a razorwire
frosty terrace
yeah razorwire makes most of void trivial
rare heart
The meter won't count up outside the bubble though.
alpine current
guessing clay templars were made to replace clay men and i'm not sure which one is worse
frosty terrace
take 1 damage, medkit heals you more. Quick heals
rare heart
Claymen are in the files, just incomplete. But yea, clay templars are the worst enemy in the game.
alpine current
clay men were in the credits
frosty terrace
I value stun grenade item a lot more now, to be able to interrupt those templars is real nice
eager badger
But at least we could have a clay family event
rare heart
Plz no
eager badger
Clay men, Clay Templars and a clay dunestrider as the boss
frosty terrace
I mean we already have chimera family event 😄
can't wait to run into a map full of chimeras for the first time
rare heart
If I only got clay templar spawns, I would quit the game. I consider that to be losing a round of russian roulette.
alpine current
at least chimeras look cool, clay things are just horrible tar beasts
frosty terrace
chimera wisps are flying clay templars
alpine current
yeah but fancy and blue
eager badger
I find the dunepeople to have some of the most unique and creative designs
frosty terrace
visually I like overloading magmaworm most
eager badger
And tar in general is cool
alpine current
the one thing clay men have over clay templars is the "Well, What Is It!" pose
no one can tell me that wasn't intentional
frosty terrace
I've gone back to logbook and looked at overloading a few times, just look cool to me
eager badger
Hah!
lofty hemlock
the game knew what my intentions were and stood only to help me achieve such
frosty terrace
to that earlier screenshot, here's a portal mithrix built. The piece on siren's call map is a piece of a teleporter
eager badger
No?
alpine current
do brilliant behemoths stack?
frosty terrace
yes
void badge
behemoths stack AoE not damage
frosty terrace
yeah stacks area
but the artifact devices were also a creation of mithrix and providence
steady arch
can engi turrets ever proc band?
muted spade
nah, not enough damage to do so
zenith nymph
So... today I've learned:
Don't do a Spinel build if you're trying to fight Mithrix.
alpine current
probably if you're using Visions
zenith nymph
alpine current
stealth kit, not a real run
frosty terrace
yeah I also died with 17 afflictions against mithrix
alpine current
oh god oh fuck blazing elder lemurian horde of many
steady arch
wait
frosty terrace
I just needed one more fuel cell but could'nt find it
alpine current
i've offended god
steady arch
oh
alpine current
how did you do it
steady arch
is visions good on engi btw?
alpine current
very
past sand
Yeah it's such a dumb achievement, I've shifted my focus to it now I've done all the monsoon stuff I want and it's more irritating than killing mithrix
void badge
well it does give you a game breaking item
alpine current
visions stack, increasing fire rate and rounds fired at the same time
definitely pick them up as engi
and it replaces your garbage M1
steady arch
yeah
lofty hemlock
i literally made a drizzle run with command specifically built for doing this shit
i took afterburner as my first red just so i could push them around more
past sand
watchu use, rex?
lofty hemlock
yes
past sand
been bouncing between him and loader, haven't really settled on either yet
lofty hemlock
im just glad you dont have to do it all in one run
god i would have been here way longer if you did
frosty terrace
I used black holes to drag crabs of the map
steady arch
frosty terrace
did it before artifact of command was even in the game so took a few tries
steady arch
Thank God im engi 
eager badger
I also got it before artifacts
steady arch
wait nvm i died
eager badger
Just pushed a few off the map whenever I saw one and I got it eventually
frosty terrace
that was fast cyri 😄
eager badger
Damage them a little and they walk off on their own
frosty terrace
yeah I learned you could just chase them off the map
if you get close they move away
hollow plinth
TIL rebar mul-t is wild
alpine current
it got buffed
frosty terrace
does the "a moment whole" scavenger boss drop a unique monster log? I have one scavanger is my log but was wondering if that one drops another one
wiki says no
slim raptor
Im'a cry.
Amazing run, Drugs, Clover, ATG, all the goodies.
Final phase of the boss: I get him REALLY low. Then...
Genesis Loop Activates
frosty terrace
I have a lot of those great runs that just suddenly end
alpine current
drugs..?
slim raptor
Spinel Tonic @alpine current
frosty terrace
usually the run ends right after I brag about it here
slim raptor
It was just such an unfair way to lose...
I love the phase conceptually but in action, its unfair as hell.
frosty terrace
spinel tonic does make the world seem a bit trippy
slim raptor
Spinel tonic is legit drugs.
alpine current
the best runs end to some random elite, every time
slim raptor
Think about it. You use it, and the debuff only applies when NOT using it.
So you are incentivized to keep using it if you get the debuff.
Which becomes an endless addiction loop.
frosty terrace
yeah
alpine current
responsible people use syringe, never runs out
visual swift
im in a multiplayer lobby, thsi person is getting hella crowbars, and now on this new level, theres no chests or teleporter, and constant elites are spawning around me?
frosty terrace
3 fuel cells +1 drowned and it's always up, I believe
slim raptor
Command, Sacrifice, Honor?
alpine current
canon huntress
visual swift
like i just got 30 glavial wispos
and then 20 blazing lemurians
all in circles around us
alpine current
very legit run?
slim raptor
Could be modded
alpine current
probably. yes
alpine current
what stage
visual swift
3
alpine current
yeah you're probably screwed
visual swift
damn, it was a good run too
frosty terrace
there used to be a bug where stage 2 teleporter was behind a wall with no other way in other than flying over the wall
slim raptor
yep.
frosty terrace
long time ago, I recall losing a run to it
slim raptor
That was fun.
hidden cargo
ummmm i just got to the moon with a doll build and like halfway down the walkway the doll just stopped deploying???
is that a known bug or?
frosty terrace
haven't really used the doll yet, but also haven't heard others having that issue
alpine current
item stolen in advance
frosty terrace
do chimera minions steal items? I was reading about that in the test branch patch notes and understood none of it
hidden cargo
it only stopped working after i fucked up a rex shift and sent myself off the edge
my best guess is that it fired my dolls down towards the bottom of the map and like unloaded them or smth
i dont know shit about how this game works tho so just a guess
frosty terrace
jump off again, maybe it fixes itself
hidden cargo
i tried
alpine current
one of the lunar items could be a usable
hidden cargo
i was hoping to get a lunar equip from one of the pods and swap equipments and back
but there were no equipments
alpine current
rip run
hidden cargo
so i just did boss and got killed
frosty terrace
F
lone thicket
for phase 4, what is the rate he gives you items back? i did half his health bar and only got 4 back
https://twitter.com/analog_mart/status/1296253832939233285?s=20
alpine current
shoot the colored bits on him to regain items
lone thicket
colored bits?
alpine current
pretty sure if you shoot the items you get them back
if you shoot a green item you get a green item back
tepid wolf
Shoot the crystals on his back
hidden cargo
ah found this in bug reports\
tepid wolf
Merc can kinda instadie on phase 3 sometimes
eager badger
And I'm guessing it's cause of the AOE of the fireballs
lone thicket
i would have gotten arti's skin and the monsoon win
alpine current
if you want mastery just obliterate, mithrix is a pain
tepid wolf
Mainly because the shockwave after the hammer slam (not the sky slam) deals 5k+ damage
tepid wolf
He was fun for the first time
spark narwhal
because pain is fun
alpine current
what about the little fire wall dancing mini game he makes you do for his twisted amusement every damn minute
lone thicket
i wanted the beat the game on monsoon too
tepid wolf
Then he becomes an annoying prick
spark narwhal
just one shot him with loader on monsoon
tepid wolf
Almost beat him on monsoon with the crappy carbonizer turrets as engi
tepid wolf
Like those turrets are cute but they blow
alpine current
you know what's cute? good turrets
spark narwhal
the walking turrets are SO good.
tepid wolf
They couldn't even reach the flying lunar chimeras
So I had to kill them with harpoons and M1
Was not fun and took ages
alpine current
M1 can reach em?
tepid wolf
I had a feather
spark narwhal
just don't get hit
eager badger
Bait out the hammer swing and you are free to do damage until he tries to bonk into oblivion
But oh yeah that attack misses 90% of the time so you good
Also his pathfinding gets really messy around the slopes
alpine current
but the 10% of the time it hits, you are dead
spark narwhal
🙂
frosty terrace
if you have enough movement speed, you're pretty safe against mithrix. No movement speed? it's gonna be a sweaty fight for most survivors
tepid wolf
The only problem is that the hammer slam or double small attacks have no telegraps so it is a 50/50 usually
spark narwhal
^
eager badger
They do?
spark narwhal
not
eager badger
I belive it checks for distance
spark narwhal
dash doesn't count as a good telegraph.
alpine current
hammer slam has no telegraph? it takes like 2 seconds to hit the ground
spark narwhal
the quick dash hammer slap attack
eager badger
And has the same sound as elder lemurians charging
alpine current
oh. yeah that's pretty shit
spark narwhal
is the real problem
tepid wolf
That attack is so quick you often get launched by it
tepid wolf
Which takes 33-50% HP usually
And fall damage if you have no feathers or are not loader
spark narwhal
huntress gets rekted by quick hammer slap
alpine current
if the hit and the fall damage don't kill you, he'll be right there waiting for you to land
spark narwhal
slapped the one shot protection comes in and then you don't have enough health regen so you die.
eager badger
I feel like the arena itself has more than enough options to hide
spark narwhal
and the boss still scales with time during the fight
tepid wolf
I mean if you have enough vertical mobility you can cheese it
tepid wolf
Only arti and loader can get up there though without like 50 feathers
eager badger
Yeah time should be stopped on the moon
Wouldn't make much sense but it's just nice
spark narwhal
nah just disable the scaling
eager badger
Actually yeah that's better
tepid wolf
The lunar chimeras leading to the fight itself already waste tons of time
eager badger
Then you can see the 20 minutes you spend fighting
spark narwhal
I always skip the lunar chimeras on the path to the boss because scaling.
alpine current
if you don't fight the chimeras leading up to him, you get shot from behind and die
spark narwhal
not if you move diagonally left and right
spider tanks have bad aim and slow projectiles
then only aim at where you were.
eager badger
And for the flying ones, the bridge is full of cover
tepid wolf
The flying ones can sometimes feel like flying clay templars
eager badger
Just break line of sight
spark narwhal
the flying ones don't use their plasma balls if you don't damage them.
tepid wolf
Oh and the electric ball attack is not a good time
eager badger
That's because they literally are designed after clay Templars
Read the log if you have it
spark narwhal
I would have been so mad if this plasma orb hit me.
eager shard
I'm gonna fucking kill myself
I just had an amaazing start with 2 red items and a preon accumulator in the first 2 minutes
and i died
to the fucking screen nuke from the squid boss
eager shard
i cant stop playing this game
even though it is objectively bad for my mental health
alpine current
i can't be the only one who tried to use the teleporter spike things as cover
frosty terrace
acrid looking pretty lewd there
alpine current
rex is huge wtf
engineer is bigger than everyone except captain?
this looks so wrong
languid yarrow
also all the models get scaled in-game
eager badger
cosmic bolt
please god why is mithrix so hard, i got him down to 10% hp FIVE TIMES but uses that squid nova item and bungus to heal back to full
eager badger
You will get them back
alpine current
don't get nova if you wanna fight him
eager badger
Eventually
cosmic bolt
was just about to get alt skin for my favourite character 
eager badger
Just keep hitting it and magic will happen
frosty terrace
or scrap that genesis loop
cosmic bolt
but dude come on, i don't want to NOT pick up good items just because i'm fighting mithrix
like if i get a dio's best friend i don't want to scrap it, its an amazing item
frosty terrace
with yellow scrap, you could find an overgrown 3d printer and get something better
cosmic bolt
but i know it resurrects mithrix
frosty terrace
and genesis loop isn't that amazing
eager badger
You will get it back before it dies
cosmic bolt
i wish i could but i've only found like three boss items printers my whole time playing lmao
spark narwhal
pick up 3 dio's
leaden gulch
hey quick question, i saw that someone said that Mithrix was non-binary, is this true?
spark narwhal
then fight Mithrix
cosmic bolt
bro i'd kill myself
alpine current
mithrix is providence's "brother" so probably not
frosty terrace
I've seen a lot more boss item printers compared to mili-tec ones
leaden gulch
fair point
cosmic bolt
i was doing the cheese strat where you put turrets on those weird platforms at the ends of the arena
everytime my turrets were about to kill him, he novad them and got hp back
mint birch
i was just having an amzing run with this guy and they he just left the call and blocked me in the middle of the game
im so confused
frosty terrace
was he an engineer and you took his fungus?
spark narwhal
just punch Mithrix with loader once with some bands and he will die.
mint birch
he was engineer
spark narwhal
play loader instead
spark narwhal
who is the worst character against Mithrix anyway?
alpine current
merc
frosty terrace
loader is pretty hard too
spark narwhal
Loader is free
spark narwhal
just don't get hit with merc easy
warped steppe
Do you have to have movement items to get out of the detonation sequence? I was seconds away from completing the map but died because the moon exploded
spark narwhal
just play loader and swing across the map all the way to the boss arena and back
frosty terrace
depends on the survivor, but yeah you kind of need movement speed items
also makes the boss easier to have em
warped steppe
I just hopped around during the fight, plus my buddy had a bunch of movement speed items and 8 little disciples. He was doing amazing right up until he stole out items and one shot him. Then I was on my own and very slow
spark narwhal
if fighting Mithrix is hard with loader then your not playing loader you are just playing melee acrid.
warped steppe
I was the commander
frosty terrace
all loader damage is melee
alpine current
no one uses the stupid slap attack after like stage 2
spark narwhal
if your play style is like melee acrid as loader then you are playing loader wrong.
you grapple punch then run away from Mithrix.
you don't try to slap him with primary
frosty terrace
ofc not
but what if you have no movement speed items?
you just used gauntlet and grapple
spark narwhal
which is also what melee acrid does slaps with primary.
loader is the fastest character in the game
what are you even saying
frosty terrace
in a non artifact run you can't choose what you get
spark narwhal
if your any character with no movement speed items you die to mithrix so....
alpine current
if you got no movement speed items your run was dead anyway
frosty terrace
alright so we agree there
phase 4 as a loader puts you in a lot of danger, especially in the test branch where he's immortal when sucking your items
you have to be in his face and have none of your movement speed
spark narwhal
punch him really hard then go back up the ram on phase 4 then repeat.
orbs can't hit you on ramp
and if you time correctly you can get in and out quickly
frosty terrace
would you say ranged survivors put themselves in more risk?
the question was, which character has hardest time with the boss
spark narwhal
on phase 4 no
frosty terrace
I feel like ranged dudes just dodge for days
spark narwhal
but loader tanky
so you don't die in 1 hit like huntress
loader isn't gonna die easily to needles on 4th phase, even if you manage to get hit by a lot of them.
all you got to do is to go in and hit him when the plasma orbs are out of the way.
4th phase is all about not getting hit by plasma orbs
frosty terrace
arti, rex and engi can just keep their distance and avoid most of the boss mechanics. huntress has two good abilities to dodge shit, commando I dunno I never play him, acrid probably m2's from a far dunno, captain could have some healing beacons to keep himself safe
spark narwhal
or having 1000 needles in your face
if we talking about 4th phase which is easy stuff then yeah
but the other 3 stages exist as well
engi isn't going to do well against his hammer shockwave attack because it destroys his turrets
rex is rex so he just is really good against anything
dull ingot
spark narwhal
arti is pray you don't get hit by lunar chimera plasma orbs.
alpine current
WHY ARE THE CRABS SO TANKY
frosty terrace
engi turrets are real good at getting items back. Shield keeps you safe a lot
and turrets take a lot of the slams from the boss, true
but it keeps you safe
raw vine
How good is using the alt flamethrower jump on artificier and raining justice from above like pharah?
eager badger
Idk depends on your playstyle
raw vine
Worked quite well for me except in close quarters, nearly nothing can touch you
eager badger
I'd rather have the extra damage
spark narwhal
alt better than flamethrower case closed
eager badger
Lmao no, it's preference
eager badger
I'd rather have the extra damage during the first stages
raw vine
btw - just bought the game last week and am having a blast, still haven't won yet (partly because I'm hooked on remnant after epic gave it away for free)
eager badger
They gave that game away? Damn it I missed it
spark narwhal
so after the first few stages just don't use it?
eager badger
Oh nice
alpine current
crabs from literal hell
spark narwhal
why would you waste the skill slot on artificer.
opal plaza
I cant tell if I'm either just blind or stage 2 of the prismatic trial doesnt have a teleporter
polar anvil
@opal plaza first
spark narwhal
second
alpine current
isn't it sky meadow? just use the artifact
raw vine
just unlocked loader and acrid, or as I like to call them: "Ellen Ripley" and "The Xenomorph" XD
opal plaza
Where in the world is it??
spark narwhal
read the objective
polar anvil
i dont know i dont play trials
eager badger
You don't know where the artifact tp is?
opal plaza
It says find the teleporter, which I cant find
eager badger
Oh
opal plaza
I've spent at least 30 mintues already
eager badger
Check for particles
opal plaza
The problem is, my first run was slightly different
spark narwhal
no particles are a bad way of finding teleporters.
opal plaza
Stage 2 had the door open for whatever reason on my fist run but it's shut this time
eager badger
I've seen they are kinda confusing for new players
alpine current
particles work great for me, they're only hard to see on delta
polar anvil
red is hard to see on white? ok then
alpine current
yeah when the red is a speck of dust
opal plaza
I cant be blinded, finding the teleporter is usally easy on this map
alpine current
put your lens-makers on
opal plaza
Could someone try a prismatic trial to check that I'm not losing my sight already?
opal plaza
Wait wait wait
alpine current
opal plaza
This door?
alpine current
opal plaza
I fucking knew it
I'm not going insane
So dont go into the portal
Great, what a waist of lunar coins
chrome hedge
I'm getting there:
opal plaza
Nice
alpine current
something's a little weird here
prismatic trials have preset item locations
i don't have a multi-shop at the door, but you do
alpine current
yeah rip
alpine current
junior ether
it was terrible and I never want to do that again
opal plaza
Oh god that seems so annoying to do
wicked fiber
Restart button on death screen when
junior ether
I thought about that too haha
sooo many resets
or reset button to the pause menu
this trial in itself isn't that hard, but it's just full of burning freezing exploding litte sobs that ruin your perfect run if you do even a slightest mistake
alpine current
at least its not wisps
junior ether
oof
red echo
how is cabbage so good at this game
eager badger
He doesn't get hit
red echo
not only does he not get hit, he comes up with routes for every single prismatic to not get hit
absolute madlad
alpine current
probably in the gilded coast
red echo
||it's up on the chain||
blissful quiver
||I thought I heard that somewhere but how far||
red echo
||way, way the fuck up there||
blissful quiver
||Can I still get it after the big gold boi is dead or is it like the void fields log and you have to get it during the fight||
red echo
I don't think it despawns
blissful quiver
Alright
||Well I'm Loader so I can get up there easy if its there||
Thanks for the help
red echo
np
south cosmos
||wiki said 5min timer last time I checked?||
zinc kernel
@chrome hedge have fun on eclipse 7 and 8
supple widget
you can do ethereal on today's seed?
blissful quiver
excuse me what the fuck
weary geyser
welcome to void reaver explosion
blissful quiver
but there wasnt one
weary geyser
fun fact
a void reaver killing another void reaver makes them invisible, but they still explode
you can see the previous one explode earlier
blissful quiver
Yeah but
a void reaver killing another void reaver makes them invisible, but they still explode
Really, with no buildup
weary geyser
they do the buildup, it's just invisible
blissful quiver
And makes no sound
weary geyser
it makes the sound when it explodes 😛
weary geyser
but yeah, whenever you see any void reaver explode, stay away from the area for a few seconds, in case there's a secondary explosion
blissful quiver
I'm very sad
willow mist
Yeah that shit sucks man
I had a huge run after killin the final boss then i got sucked by a reaver lol
blissful quiver
I just wanted to pick up the death mark and now I am detained
weary geyser
on the plus side, there is a way to survive a void reaver explosion: dio's best friend
willow mist
Yeah that does work
blissful quiver
My random red item for the run was the disc
willow mist
btw guys
blissful quiver
Also the leech plus Loader's shift attack is just infinite health
Riggle is very dead
willow mist
Artificer 0.5 second cooldown secondary, plus 2 second cooldown bands is the most amazing thing you'll ever see
willow mist
eh true
mint birch
well not against 4 reavers
willow mist
but i blow everything to kingdom come
lol
who would've thought blast shower could be useful
blissful quiver
How does Blast Shower play a role
willow mist
Basically
weary geyser
blast shower instantly recharges bands
willow mist
u see the band cooldown above ur bar?
weary geyser
because their cooldown counts as a debuff
blissful quiver
Thats a debuff?
willow mist
those count as a debuff
willow mist
I got blast shower down to a 2 second cooldown with gesture auto activating it
blissful quiver
What if you had Soulbound Catalyst too
willow mist
eh probably wouldnt help
takes like 2 second to throw the nano bomb anyway
but god i love purity on arti
blissful quiver
That run where i got voided was my first run getting it
willow mist
getting what?
blissful quiver
Soulbound Catalyst
blissful quiver
It was my first run after unlocking it so thats neat
blissful quiver
Forgive Me Please is the only equipment I have yet to find
cunning topaz
Soulbound + Forgive me still works
willow mist
oh lol
cunning topaz
It just doesn't crash your game now
willow mist
ok thats great then lol
weary geyser
It still triggers, you can just only have 3 active at once.
willow mist
yeah and stick dagger onto that
cunning topaz
being able to have infinite was awesome when you didnt spam it so much it killed your computer
willow mist
Watch the world burn
cunning topaz
Shatterspleen is god tier
Probably THE best item in the game if you have crit to back it up
willow mist
the fact that you can do double bleed is rediculous too
cunning topaz
Yeah
I've never gotten the 100% double bleed, but having 100% bleed from spleen/daggers is insane by itself
willow mist
yeah\
blissful quiver
I had Shatterspleen once
blissful quiver
I think i was able to get 200 stacks of bleeding on the Vulture alloy thingy in Sirens call
willow mist
isnt it funny when u got a bleed build but you cant stack bleed on anythin cuz bands insta murder them?
oh dang
cunning topaz
L
idle copper
i already thought bleed was pretty good before the update, now it's fucking broken
cunning topaz
Bleed was decent, its damage REALLY fell off late tho
Like, it would tickle lesser wisps a little past your 2nd loop or so
But now it's basically as good as crit
echo iris
yea like i could stack maybe 20 bleed at best, now i can stack 200 at most
cunning topaz
On most survivors
blissful quiver
I want to do a command run with all the crit effects
willow mist
yeah those are super spicy
cunning topaz
Loader and Arti probably don't care about bleed that much
blissful quiver
When I get command, its 1 of the 2 artifacts I dont have yet
I'm saving the best for last
willow mist
oh youre in for the ride of ur life
blissful quiver
I'm very well aware of the power of command in the right hands
willow mist
Bro i have three rejuv racks and i still cant hit max barrier with aegis lmao
and 15 scythes
like brruuuuh, how much healin do i need??
bright reef
safe vapor
now pickup transcendence and look for brooches
heavy pecan
Do armor piercing rounds work on Mithrix?
tulip kayak
@heavy pecan yes
I think this huntress run might become a god run, currently on stage 4 and I have a clover, hardlight and behemoth with capped crit
blissful quiver
Okay since when can the Grovetender spawn in Abandoned Aqueduct
Is that what the air burning warning meant
blissful quiver
o
That happened a while ago when I came to abandoned aqueduct but it was the beetle one so I didnt think it was weird
frosty terrace
I can't wait to find the chimera event
trim niche
blissful quiver
What if its someone's first run and that happens
tulip kayak
Happened to me once
past sand
Spent so much time trying to get a good Monsoon run going to get the skin just for it to suck
Oof
dull ingot
it looks alright but it probably wasnt worth the effort
past sand
So far, of the 4 mastery skins I've unlocked, none of them look better than the base
At least in my opinion
Those 4 being Engi, Acrid, Arti and Rex
dull ingot
Well basically all the ones you haven't unlocked look super cool IMO
and Engi does too, why don't you like it?
past sand
Because the colours look horrible, it makes the turrets look worse and the only meaningful change it makes is to the engies head
spark narwhal
yeah some of the skins are kinda meh
past sand
Hmm, you know what, I'll give the arti skin a chance
Just went into an actual game with it instead of the preview and it drastically changed
Not quite what I hoped for, but better than the preview showed
plush flower
are the base skills for arti the best ones to take for monsoon?
covert epoch
honestly?
plush flower
trying to unlock the skin
covert epoch
the secondary is interchangable imo
but u gotta go flame thrower for like. 1000% more damage
past sand
Flame Bolt
Nano Spear
Flamethrower
Get the utility replacement lunar item ASAP so you can actually have a movement skill
covert epoch
what? na man that wall execution is too good to miss out
plush flower
what makes nano spear better?
past sand
That's why you take nano spear
covert epoch
get some wax quail
past sand
Nano spear freezes enemies, and any frozen enemy instantly dies if it falls under 30% (if I remember correctly) HP
Doesn't work on most bosses, does work on Mithrix
covert epoch
yo i get such an easy time with mithrix if i have the ice wall
past sand
It stops being an AoE explosion, but if you're capable of lining enemies up, it can do far more
naive crown
is there crossplay in Risk of Rain 2?
languid yarrow
nope
limber oxide
anyone know if theirs like a world record for stage?
past sand
Stack crowbars on top of crowbars to oneshot anything that's not a boss and sprinkle some AP rounds in to make up the difference in boss fights when they survive the full charged spear, cause you ain't getting damage from on-hit effects so you might as well go balls deep into a lot of damage in one hit
plush flower
ill try that
past sand
If you have purity and use it, runalds band stacking is another way to get a bunch more damage on top of it, otherwise ATGs will probably end up doing more if you've got enough backup mags to shoot of more than one spear every 6 seconds
grim rock
woah didn't even know legendary chests spawned in other levels, what are the odds?
paper lichen
It's been a long time since I've seen a non-abyssal legendary chest
dull ingot
they're very small especially in single player
I don't know if there's an exact number found but anecdotically, I've seen it less than red 3D printers and the pearl thingies, that's very little
odd widget
what items should I go for when playing Artificer? I've been trying to get her skin but I tend do die after the first loop
past sand
Scroll up just a tiny bit
umbral oxide
is the second engineer R a direct upgrade?
tacit pelican
I don't know if there's an exact number found but anecdotically, I've seen it less than red 3D printers and the pearl thingies, that's very little
@dull ingot I got 2 in a multiplayer game just today, one on the first loop and another just 2 stages after.
past sand
is the second engineer R a direct upgrade?
@umbral oxide Not really. It has a lower proc rate and doesn't drop bursting fungas to heal itself
It's a side grade, do you want mobile turrets that are glass cannons or stationary turrets that are a bit better rounded
tranquil rapids
@umbral oxide id consider it a downgrade almost in all situations, bungus is too good
dire herald
what am i suppose to do with commando in earlier stages? I just cant kill groups of enemy quickly enough with my ability set
harsh garden
dire herald
i was trying to unlock nade, but geting to later stages with commando is tricky for me
spark narwhal
yes use the skill on commando that you need to beat 20 stages without lunar items for early stages
dire herald
is nade? better than the original
past sand
Then get more AoE items like ukulele, wisp etc
dire herald
yeah, that is prob a big help
i heard commando ihave really high proc or something is that right?
safe vapor
yeah on hit items are very good for commando
dire herald
nice
safe vapor
are you using the entire default kit?
dire herald
i use slide, but the other stuff is default
safe vapor
slide is good
dire herald
yeah, feels more controlled than roll
safe vapor
the overloading worm challenge will give you an unlock that is really just a pure upgrade
although
its hard to find those very early unless you get a ton of mountain shrines
dire herald
feels like worm is just super rare eary on
dire herald
last time i got one was like 3 mont shrine on sky meadows
safe vapor
sounds about right yea
dire herald
feels like i would never get a logbook from it lmao
safe vapor
in the meantime
youre gonna wanna find some aoe asap
and tri tips are superb on commando now
are you on easy mode?
dire herald
don't know why, whenever i play the other characters, i always get like a green at least and walks out with 5 ish items on the first stage, but when i use commando, id call it lucky to get 3 white items before the boss
nah monsoon
maybe i should drizzle to stage 20 first for the unlock or something lmao
safe vapor
well
i dont know how many hours you have
but generally i suggest to people to play on easy until you've unlocked most everything
unless it's literally boring you
the game isn't itself until you have it all
dire herald
i got like everyhting on acrid and loader but almost notheing on the other guys
past sand
or just play with command and snooze fest through any difficulty
dire herald
the first time i tried command plus sacrifice i figured out you can sit in void vents with a razor wire for like all of etenity
alpine current
command is the way to go
rich crescent
I played Rainstorm until I got every item except for Gesture and Brain Stalks
safe vapor
default commando is rough for me, but his alt loadout is possibly my favorite in the game
rich crescent
I hate his grenade.
dire herald
what is the overloading worm unlock?
alpine current
all those people going "oh but the game is toooo eaaaaaaasy when you can choose items" have fun with your 3 sticky bombs and squid polyp
safe vapor
phase blast
worldly sparrow
I can't hear you over acrid slam jam thank you ma'am
safe vapor
its a shotgun basically
dire herald
ahh nice
safe vapor
shotgun, slide, grenades, the synergy feels awesome
rich crescent
Honestly the games fun both with and with out Command, but you shouldn't use command until you can make a run consistently with out it imo, cause it is kinda cheese, but command lets you do the dumbest shit.
dire herald
i feel like mult unlocks are pretty wack because they feek even more overly specific
safe vapor
but yeah some people do hate the nades, they aren't easy to use well but if you get good with them they are awesome
dire herald
do they feel like bomb on mul-t?
spark narwhal
I really like squid polups they are nice.
dire herald
yeah, its pretty fun to stack if its in a printer
rich crescent
@dire herald no, they are worse, they hit something (ground or enemy) then after like half a second or so they detonate
safe vapor
do they feel like bomb on mul-t?
@dire herald not really no
they are like a traditional grenade
dire herald
hmm so more like a direct blast?
rich crescent
meaning you cant hit flying things unless you clutch it so it bounces off its head above it
No, you hit something, the nade falls
then detonates half a second after it hit what ever
dire herald
thats pretty wack
rich crescent
Yeah
safe vapor
they are on a much shorter cd than supp fire, and give you aoe right off the bat
also will proc bands, and anything they proc will give nice dmg
dire herald
so more kiting centric?
safe vapor
you love em or hate em, mostly they just take practice