but i did have 90% chance to block damage with tougher times 😔
#gd2-nullified
robust condor
i occasionally go into drizzle and speed to stage 8 for lunar coins
and then spend them all in one run
quartz saffron
glass stacks exponentially, 28 
is 268435456x dmg
robust condor
o h m y
quartz saffron
having that many coins after the game has been out for over a year is not a big deal
opal plaza
I-
quartz saffron
even if someone didn't edit the file
I don't use too many lunars, have somewhere around 200 coins
robust condor
now only if this were a tonic run, itd be too much damage
opal plaza
Then again I dont exactly finish runs too often
robust condor
but please forgive me with 50 will-o and ceremonial dagger is too fun
opal plaza
So far I've only obliterated once on monsoon
opal plaza
I've only done it with Captain
robust condor
i hate commando with a burning passion and artificer is sadly just not that great solo
titanic knurl pog
opal plaza
I cant tell you how much it genuinely saved me
Like, If I didnt pick up them I genuinely would have died
robust condor
i really hope getting final boss's logbook wont be as hellish as getting aurelionite's book
i fought aurelionite 6 times in a run and didnt get it
plain viper
Chance to drop on death
robust condor
mithrix is the only logbook i need
plain viper
Clover helps
opal plaza
I think each phase counts as a death then?
opal plaza
Ah, that explains it
robust condor
with my 5 clovers
opal plaza
Also can I just say I wish they made more log books, i mainly like actually looking at the models without dying
robust condor
ahh tru
mild brook
not lunar scavengers
opal plaza
That and I wish you can view the elite types
robust condor
god ur right and theyve got the artifact code
mild brook
yeah
opal plaza
Mainly the players elite types since it's so rare
robust condor
speaking of which i still need to get metamorphosis idk why i havent
opal plaza
Do the elite things even have logs?
robust condor
nope
fun fact- if they drop and you have artifact of command activated, you dont get them
robust condor
i saw one on my recent run and it just opened to a normal equipment essence
opal plaza
Odd
opal plaza
Ah, I see
weary geyser
fun fact- if they drop and you have artifact of command activated, you dont get them
@robust condor this is untrue
weary geyser
I've gotten an Elite drop with Command active
they still turn into command essence, it just only has one option
pliant lotus
elite drops with command active just look like orange command essence
robust condor
i know, but when i checked it was a normal orange one
pliant lotus
then
opal plaza
On a side note, I wish they would buff the elite aspects
vivid crown
that is a lot of tonic use
robust condor
just this
pliant lotus
maybe it was just a normal orange
opal plaza
They are so cool but completely useless
vivid crown
idk, they are really good on specific builds
robust condor
my longest run was mul-t with fire elite
vivid crown
Mul-t lightning is broke a s fuck
opal plaza
Well yes but they are both rare and get outclassed by other equips
vivid crown
the fire one is just good
robust condor
ice elite item go haha pretty much useless
vivid crown
Ice elite is kinda pointless
dull ingot
taking any of the elemental items is nerfing yourself
opal plaza
I think ice looks best to be honest
robust condor
gorag's opus not working on captain confuses me so much
dull ingot
is that a bug?
robust condor
yeah its a known bug
dull ingot
immune to rage
robust condor
he gets the effect from others using it still as well lol
dull ingot
he's too ~cool~
opal plaza
Oh wait-
dull ingot
....
opal plaza
I thought it just required someone else to actually buff
robust condor
nah its just broken on captain only
opal plaza
Odd
dull ingot
there are a few use items that cap cant use ya?
barren meadow
How do you survive artifact of vengeance as engineer? The turrets are so OP (I have the artifact, my partner just likes using engi)
robust condor
you dont, ez
quartz saffron
do the turrets get destroyed if the umbra engi dies?
opal plaza
Also I think the best way to buff the elite aspects is either add a use for it being in equips or make it a item
robust condor
iirc they do not despawn
weary geyser
How do you survive artifact of vengeance as engineer?
@barren meadow I just Royal Capacitor'd him to death.
dull ingot
making it an item would be too op
opal plaza
Not really
quartz saffron
boop the engi off a cliff
barren meadow
@weary geyser But then how do you not get royal capacitor'd?
weary geyser
Dodging.
It can't hit you if you've moved a certain distance from where you were when they activated it.
barren meadow
Oh i always thought it was instant
robust condor
i only need the yellow scrap item logbook but i dont wanna sacrifice them 😔 (unless its magma worm drop)
opal plaza
Its still a .05% chance to get it and it's still not as strong as some items combos
robust condor
death mark getting nerfed is completely understandable but it makes me sad
F +50% (+50% per stack) damage
opal plaza
I think best way to buff it is to just make it like a normal equip but with the passives
dull ingot
yaa maybe zy
opal plaza
Also they really should make the TC drone cheeper
14× a normal chest is so expensive
Like I'm fine with it being expensive but man you really gotta grind to get it
Although later in a run money becomes...uneeded past the first couple of kills
dull ingot
which the tc was at least worth the money lol
2/3k for it to immediately get stuck in a roof next map
now that's 1.0 quality content
tired juniper
hey what if overloading overloading jellyfish screenwipes plastered overloading orbs on all the terrain it covers
opal plaza
Something I noticed is enemies have such a hard time handling the drones
dull ingot
mithrix gets rekt by drones
opal plaza
Assuming you even can get them there in a reasonable time
dull ingot
also the way chimera wisps and the drones interact is infuriating
tired juniper
what if equipment drones also got a copy of all your items upon activation
forgive me please
opal plaza
That would be broken, I think
tired juniper
yes it would
opal plaza
Yeah it would
tired juniper
forgive me please
opal plaza
For what?
dull ingot
forgiven
tired juniper
nono
i was in a run with some friends and one got daggers and willowisps really early on
and a forgive me please
opal plaza
Ah
opal plaza
Just imagine the lunar shell thingy
tired juniper
likewise i was never asking you for forgiveness
opal plaza
Always activating the multi rocket pods
dull ingot
look,what's done is done
tired juniper
anyway he traded forgive me please for smth else a few stages before mithrix
dull ingot
it's okay, really
tired juniper
and put it in an equipment drone
we didn't realize it does nothing until phase 4 of mithrix
opal plaza
If I'm correct the only thing that's truly the best to put into the drones is the beacon
opal plaza
However multi rocket pods is decent
dull ingot
ye
opal plaza
Thing that shows all items
tired juniper
oh radar
opal plaza
Yeah
tired juniper
well royal capacitor is nice too
opal plaza
Its decent since you cant exactly use it at a bad time
tired juniper
better than firing it at nothing like with preons and cubes
dull ingot
🤔
opal plaza
True true
Technically putting anything in them is useful if you have 2 equips and dont want to waste them
tired juniper
p p p p OCULAR HUD
opal plaza
Ahhahaha
opal plaza
I don't think you can put it in them
tired juniper
why wouldn't you lol
tired juniper
put in foreign fruit or jade elephant and it can be sort of a tank with bad timing
opal plaza
I mean, the cooldowns are short enough to where the timing is sometimes decent
tired juniper
put in a recycler though...
tired juniper
just
put in a fuel cell array
hope that when it reaches half health it's right up in enemies' faces
weary geyser
actually activating the array will start a detonation timer, so you don't even have to wait for their health to drop
tired juniper
huh
last time i picked up a fuel array pressing q didn't do anything
either it was bugged or i'm remembering wrong
opal plaza
Maybe its just a thing with the drone
tired juniper
well i didn't have a drone around when i tested it
i wanted to see if i could actually activate the fuel array
i had a nearby equipment i could swap out in case i actually could
opal plaza
Yeah
tired juniper
wait
opal plaza
Hm, now to figure out if I should sketch the Captain and Artificer drawing on my phone or on my sketchbook
tired juniper
nkuhana's retort or spectral circlet in an equipment drone
opal plaza
Hm
tired juniper
well i guess nkuhana's retort wouldn't actually matter much because enemies don't really heal
opal plaza
Yeah
tired juniper
most of them anyway
tired juniper
nkuhana's retort and spectral circlets are elite aspects
dull ingot
gottem
tired juniper
3AM, what a reasonable time to start a run
opal plaza
Yeah
supple widget
why is merc's alt R so cancer to get
tired juniper
just manage your cooldowns lul?
tired juniper
just give an equipment drone a spinel tonic and wait around in a hidden realm
supple widget
alt R, the prismatic trial thing
tired juniper
see how slow it gets
supple widget
hahahahaha
shut jungle
6am about to finish work and start slappin mobs
opal plaza
Its 3 am and I'm still drawing so dont blame me
My brain just sorta turns off past 12
tired juniper
i wish i could turn my brain off
shut jungle
I work midnights so 12 is when mine turns on
tired juniper
quick and painless death c:
opal plaza
Well, that's different, I dont have a job yet and still actually live during sunlight
tired juniper
i want a job so i can actually buy games and stuff that i want but college is hard and i'm too much of a coward anyway
supple widget
nah demon of the skies is really easy, you could just always go command and get a milky chrysalis, and a single fuel cell thing
limpid ermine
honestly if you want demon of the skies just pop into the newt altar and jump off, then keep spamming abilities upwards
opal plaza
i want a job so i can actually buy games and stuff that i want but college is hard and i'm too much of a coward anyway
I'm trying to get a drawing tablet, a few small things then most is going into savings
The catch with the drawing tablet is, I'm done with cheep garbage that breaks super quick so I maay be working to a 3000$ drawing tablet
tired juniper
i still have money from a previous job but i can't really justify spending it rn
opal plaza
Yeah
tired juniper
and it's all in a savings account or smth and i can't be bothered to withdraw it
and i don't really want some game purchase to show up on my debit card record thing
opal plaza
Ah
tired juniper
not when i still live with my parents anyway lmao
opal plaza
I doubt mine would care as long as I'm still saving some
Which granted, unlike my brother I actually only occasionally want some small things
I swear it's like every other week he wants something
tired juniper
ya know it's kinda stupid how school doesn't actually teach you how to live in the real world. stuff like taxes, bank accounts ( i can't even remember what the diff between savings and checking account is), etc
but i'm getting off topic from this channel
opal plaza
Oh yeah
Uhhhh
Imps are the worst enemies in the game
I just swear they are the biggest pains to deal with
Not even the army of wisps that appear can compare to how annoying imps are
tired juniper
yeah imps are mega annoying if you don't have mobility
opal plaza
Its mostly shooting them for me
tired juniper
that too
opal plaza
That and their stupid damage
tired juniper
but then again i play huntress a lot
opal plaza
Like why do they deal the most damage in the game?
I swear nothing aside from maybe mithrix compares
tired juniper
fighting mithrix as captain. good l uck landing your shift in phase 1 lol
tired juniper
that's true
opal plaza
Artificer can actually freeze him too
tired juniper
because apparently he isn't actually coded as a boss or smth??
opal plaza
I guess so?
tired juniper
that's what i've heard
opal plaza
Or they just took mercy on Artificer mains
I mean, it has to be coded to Artificer spesificly since taser shot doesnt work on him
tired juniper
but yeah it could just be exceptions coded in
opal plaza
Speaking of which
tired juniper
me and my friends call elder lemurians big wills
opal plaza
Who thought it would be a good idea to put them in void cells???
mental hemlock
Hey guys, quick question: Is artificer op against mithrax? i mean, if you can get a few hopoo feathers and stuff so you can constantly fly, aren't you immune against all his attacks?
tired juniper
we call the small lemurians wills
opal plaza
You can cheese him even more if you start phase 4 on the pillars
Back onto topic for a second, its just cruel they put elder lemurians in void cells
tired juniper
yeah i had a fun time in this void fields
dull ingot
also, his star-shaped attack in 3rd phase has infinite height, or, at least, enough height to kill you in the arena
tired juniper
what star shaped? the rotating thing?
dull ingot
ye
opal plaza
The line attack
Also If I'm correct as long as you're off the ground you're fine from it
From what I've seen
split forum
did they shadow change Blinding Assault?? it feels...worse now. am I just crazy or?
tired juniper
uhh
opal plaza
I would say if I remembered what it was
opal plaza
I'm assuming the alt r?
tired juniper
shift
split forum
no, default shift
tired juniper
wasn't it really only intended for rex back then?
opal plaza
I never played much Mercenary
split forum
it probably was but im so confused bc the changelog mentions NOTHING about this
opal plaza
Ah
tired juniper
regardless, captain's m1 sends lesser wisps flying
tired juniper
really nice thing, especially for elite lesser wisps
if the shotgun doesn't kill, it'll probably die when it hits the wall
hey what if headstomping sent flying enemies downward
and what if the damage scaled with stacks
had a run where a friend was the only one to survive void fields so he picked up 4 headstompers
later picked up a shaped glass so we relied on him to headstomp the bosses lmao
he picked up a second shaped glass and we were hoping he would headstomp mithrix but he died to chimera wisps :c
there was a teddy bear printer shumwhere in the run and he didn't print any :c
anyway i'm going to sleep
trim niche
@shell geyser I'm fairly certain all characters outrun beetles at base. On their own, they can just be M1'ed to death (unless they're red/blazing, in which case keep them at the edge of your range) because the 3rd hit of your combo stuns them, interrupting their attack. They are easy to kill provided you aren't literally hugging groups of them all the time.
When there are other enemies nearby that are more threatening (wisps, golems... basically anything else), you have to perform the usual evasive manoeuvres (always be moving, always be jumping) while keeping track of where the beetles are so you don't eat stray hits.
That is, of course, you aren't just in the air for long periods of time with M2/dash/evi, in which case they can't hit you at all
reef prism
ok i give up, the final boss is actually unbeatable unless you can kill him REALLY quickly or one shot him
i don't get why the phase where he takes your items exists
if you can't kill him quickly enough it's just gg
dull ingot
if you wanna kill mithrix dont wait 90 minutes
you know he steals all your shit so why give him ridiculous power
if you go there underpowered itll take forever to kill him anyway so hell grow twice as much hp lol
theres no approach to him really
then dont go there underpowered
go for obliterate if you cant take mith without going 90 mins'
then this will happen ! this game is trolling everybody ! ! !
90 minutes or less 🤷♀️
i go for mith if i like my items when it's time to choose whether to loop or not
then when you come back you consider it again knowing what phase 3 is gonna do
it's really not impossible
twilit glade
Try rushing Mithrix, get bullied cause I'm Loader anyway
dull ingot
rushing is definitely not an option 😭
my friend told me to stack shaped glasses to kill him but i dread that item lols
burnt merlin
Lol just finished a 2 hour monsoon run with Command, Swarms, and Sacrifice
Mithrix stole all me items and insta killed me I can't stop laughing
dull ingot
☦️ gg
surreal heron
Just take a preon to him and time it during the end of phase 2 into the start of phase 3. It wont be much damage into a super late run but it can help
opal crow
I was wondering: If I use the Kin artifact and the Dissonance artifact (plus maybe a Swarm artifact), will the Hermit Crabs spawn on the first stage?
deft moat
this is fine
polar anvil
Glass stacker 
forest fog
THIS IS A THING?!
dull ingot
lol
zinc latch
lol
floral violet
theres no approach to him really
@dull ingot There is most definitely an approach to him
THIS IS A THING?!
@forest fog cloaked chests? yeah sometimes, they are rare though, it's kinda like the key box except you don't need a key and can't see it till you walk up on it
forest fog
bro I thought it was just a submerged drone or something
floral violet
I've never seen one on Scorched though only ever seen one on Titanic
dull ingot
well i mean you got like 3 red items 🤔 is that the approach?
floral violet
3 red items isn't a lot?
dull ingot
it is for me i guess, esp in 25 minutes lols
floral violet
Void Realm is 1 free red, 4 free greens, 4 free whites basically
floral violet
The shop also has a red cauldron every time you visit it
dull ingot
anyway what was your tactic!
whyd you play as loader too? the boss has all melee attacks
floral violet
My tactic with loader or just in general?
dull ingot
with final boss
floral violet
because loader is amazing
dull ingot
oh for sure
floral violet
my tactic with loader is go really fast, and punch shit in the face
dull ingot
classic approach 🥺
rare heart
Side-strafe. He doesn't know how to swing the hammer sideways.
floral violet
as for Mithrix you fight him down to like 1000 HP (ish) on stage 3 then position near the middle and kill him so he goes to the stage 4 start
but you wait till all of your CDs are ready then when you kill him wait till right after he starts doin the suck and taking your items and just unleash everything you have, starting with your equipment because he might take any fuel cells you have
the more damage you do to him while he sucks your items the easier the fight will be
dull ingot
interesting !
i dont think ill try going there again, im really hoping therell be a rework
floral violet
then as he is about to get the last item you get the fuck away from him so you can time the ball dance as I call it
dull ingot
i remember trying to kill him with capacitor on my second go but it all went into his i frames
floral violet
when you are at like mid range the ball dance is easy as hell
you hit him too early
dull ingot
yeah i know
floral violet
it happens
dull ingot
well yeah thanks for your time
floral violet
as for my general approach to getting stuff on monsoon I basically try to bazaar every map until Meadows (the one where you go to the moon, don't bazaar here it forces a loop)
so by the time I have gotten to him I have 4 bazaar visits, a void realms clear, 5 stages, and possibly a gilded coast if I feel like doing it, usually not though
I also hard farm stage 5 for every single item I can get, and sometimes a majority or all of stage 4
because by then I can survive delaying the teleporter events a bit
frosty surge
when the run is good https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294194835882246144/745618021443436605/unknown.png
tame quartz
help i have a crippling attack speed addiction
i 3d printed all five of my white items stage 1 into soldiers syringes
full gale
Nice
when the run is good https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294194835882246144/745618021443436605/unknown.png
@frosty surge
God I love that screenshot
full gale
Lunar coins
frosty surge
yeah I killed that scavenger guy
past dock
hello people of game discussin 2
frosty surge
hello captain
past dock
i have found my favorite captain build until it gets hotfixed
frosty surge
oh, what's that?
past dock
visions captain
frosty surge
want to try it untill it gets hotfixed
full gale
Oh right
past dock
its very satisfying to drop 12 or more orbital strikes
frosty surge
i'll check it out later in my next run
past dock
and it even gives u a reason to run purity
forest fog
what
do void reapers bypass oneshot protection
bro i was gonna go for mithrix this loop 
the void reaper oneshot another void reaper with his death thing
and that other void reapers death thing didnt appear so i just got
onetapped
frosty surge
rip
forest fog
I was full health too so I don't know if they just oneshot you past oneshot preotection or what
daring onyx
they oneshot you if you get too close to them when they die, only way to stop it is with dio's best friend
primal sapphire
give me a good reason to grab purity on commando
i really want to
daring onyx
if you rely on chance, dont get it, if you wanna be able to spam your abilities, get it
hollow rapids
Does anyone remember a mod that turned Elite aspects into manually activated equipment items like other equipments? I can't recall the name
silk compass
finally beat eclipse level 8, feel very accomplished and ready for a break
tame quartz
@hollow rapids that's a vanilla feature
dry mirage
They are passive tho, he is talking about manual ones
hollow rapids
Yeah I mean where instead of being a passive item that sits in your equipment slot, the mod makes them have both passive and active effects
elder cloud
What is purity ?
tired axle
it's lunar item that reduces you're cooldowns by 2 seceonds but also reduces your luck by 1
elder cloud
hmm what does reducing the luck by 1 mean exactly?
tired axle
it's the oposite if clover
elder cloud
if good outcome -> rolls an additionnal time ?
crystal oxide
Yeah purity blight gets nutty
elder cloud
I have a problem atm after coming back to the game, I play on monsoon and after about 40 min into a run (stage 7 or 8 usually) I die the most stupidest deaths litterally all the time. Like I just stood still in the air as huntress to see in detail what a certain interaction between items does and got one shot by a lumurian in the back.
Every run. What is wrong with me
tired axle
the scaling on all difficultys was increased by 10%
elder cloud
It's like I lose some focus or starts trollint after a certain amount of time
chrome hedge
Purity + Visions = machine gun that doesn't let up
modest girder
So why isn’t Arti’s jump a utility move?
tired axle
probably because it would be to strong
random mantle
by stage 7 or 8, unless you've powerleveled or achieved some broken item synergy, you're gonna get one tapped. Especially as huntress, as she has the lowest base health and the lowest health gained per level. Some things can help, but you're pretty boned if you drop below 90% and lose OSP. If you wanna be tanky for long runs your best bet is mult since he gains 60 health per level compared to huntress' 27 health per level
modest girder
Snapfreeze is pretty good though
random mantle
If you get transcendence or 2 or 3, then infusions will become increasingly effective, but still, at that stage of the game, enemies pack a punch.
tired axle
the flamethrower is a lot better tho
it makes you pick between flight or a lot of damage
random mantle
Survivability late game is typically just about killing everything and proc chains to avoid taking any damage. 10+ teddies will also give you a fair chance at not taking any damage from a hit as well
10 is a flat 60, which I usually consider a minimum, and won't risk 3d printing to drop below
chrome hedge
they did buff Ion Surge at least so that it doesn't have damage falloff anymore. It's reliable for omnidirectional AoE damage
and if you play Eclipse 2+, you'll get launched out of the teleporter each time you use it 
modest girder
I feel like an execute and cc are about as strong as flight.
idle copper
i just want artificer to have one ability of each type for each slot
when are we getting an ice primary
when are we getting a fire secondary
etc
tired axle
that would be really cool
feral birch
So I’ve been really enjoying the modded characters lately, but it feels a bit lacking In quantity, is the modding community just really small?
tired axle
making mods is difficult
idle copper
there's an ror2 modding discord, maybe check that place out
feral birch
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong, the characters I’ve played atm are amazing, I just find it mad how few there are, and what’s the discord called?
idle copper
Literally just
Risk of Rain 2 Modding
i can dm you an invite if you want
feral birch
Yeah if that’s fine, thanks man
compact relic
Hey does anybody play commando, and if so, why?
strong nest
I think Mul-t has really good scaling as well, especially since bleeds got buffed
tired axle
haven't tried mul-t a lot this update
strong nest
if you manage to get lots of crit and a shatterspleen he will stack around 25 bleeds a second with no attack speed items
kinda ridiculous
tired axle
guess i gotta play him more then
strong nest
Still, it's better than before since energy drinks actually work with his shift
junior ether
Whose great idea was to make one of captains skill unlock challenges completely luck based
I've reached the ice level how many times now and can't get TC-280 Prototype to spawn
aaargh
this is getting tiresome
chilly bay
In MP it spawns more often.
mild brook
^
native hare
I didn't know mithrax was fast
now I'm sad
assblasted first phase boy I'm a failure
mild brook
Hopoo feathers and wax quails help a lot
twin bobcat
Mithrax is no joke. I finally killed him with 2 other friends on monsoon, but we had to run 21 planets first haha
chilly bay
The red jumpy ankle bands help a ton too.
junior ether
you pretty much need mobility or you are just screwed
twin bobcat
By the end of it, my friends eng turrets could 1 shot a 3x challenge of the mountain boss and we didn't really burn mithrix that fast
mild brook
Mithrix btw
twin bobcat
The legendary item that extends jump and makes you immune to fall damage is great
mild brook
Oh yeah headstompers v2
twin bobcat
I got my kill on acrid ( somehow haha) thankfully my friend on the engineer carried really hard
Those turrets late game 1 shot everything. While my poison still didn't really do much and its SO dangerous to melee as acrid
junior ether
stacking million layers of bleed on him works wonders too
he has such an obscene amount of HP it's ridiculous
radiant ingot
is there a setting to make your character autorun?
they keep stopping
or rather... starting to walk all the time
junior ether
I don't think there is, it's very annoying
wish you could just toggle automatic sprinting in settings or something
twin bobcat
Bleeds and the spleen boss item are amazing together
junior ether
FYI captain's healing beacons are amazing early game for getting some easy quick cash from shrine of sacrifices
dull ingot
thinking about how, goat hoof is considered way better than energy drink because when sprinting youre .3% faster than each stack of drink you gain
radiant ingot
i really hope this is gonna be one of those games where id end up with hundreds of hours
dull ingot
you likely will
subtle tartan
Last night me and my friend died to the lunar boss scavenger because he healed to full every time he killed a beetle guard
did not expect that 😢
hybrid sphinx
If you use command artifact, you literally can make runs however you want so it's definitely got replayability
dawn parrot
Is there any artifacts i should unlock that will make my runs "more op"/ "easier". I already have command, and i think its fun to add glass but idk whats more that will be fun/op.
radiant ingot
i really suck at finding the tele on stage 5
hybrid sphinx
sacrifice if you don't like searching for chests
radiant ingot
am i supposed to just kill off the enemies and wait in the artifact reliquary?
for the next key to spawn
dawn parrot
yes
radiant ingot
ty
rapid marsh
trim niche
6 tries, 3 otherwise-excellent runs that died to the 4th phase of mithrix, and a newfound respect for Harpoons and Gnarled Woodsprite later
fuck that hammerheaded prick right in his oversized ears
||The game doesn't show it, but I was aiming for (and got) Engineer: Mastery, Washed Away and The Calm in the same run.||
||yes i stood on the pillars shut up||
radiant ingot
i heard something about the final boss of a run can be found on stage 5?
trim niche
The teleporter that leads to the final boss's stage is in stage 5 (the Sky Meadow or whatever it's called).
trim niche
The normal teleporter is replaced by a 'Primordial Teleporter'. When you get to it, you can do two things:
- Interact with the centre pulpit like normal, which will take you to Commencement ||(and to Mithrix, the final boss).||
- Interact with the outside of the teleporter, which realigns the teleporter and makes it loop you back to the first stage (i.e. what it did pre-1.0).
If you loop, you can also still go to A Moment, Fractured on stage 8 to obliterate yourself and beat the game that way. Achievements requiring you to beat the game will count for either beating ||Mithrix|| or obliterating.
and i'm assuming you can choose to go to Commencement at the end of any looped stage like you could in RoR1 but i haven't tried it yet
radiant ingot
i believe i touched the middle of it, but it just sent me to another normal stage
are you talking about the common, small teleporter that usually takes you from stage to stage?
trim niche
Stage 5's teleporter should be replaced with the Primordial Teleporter
radiant ingot
yeah but is it like the same size as the usual teleporter or is it that giant one underneath the level?
frosty terrace
use middle mouse to ping stuff
if a thing is interactable, it's name will pop in chat
it will tell you if you pinged a teleporter or something else
useful to check 3d printers from afar, it tells you what item it prints
gentle ivy
log
oak crest
fun stuff
spark sinew
nice
trim niche
did you have to kill the boss 3 times xd
frosty terrace
I believe dio needs to be the first item you get
since you get the items back in order too
so if the last item mithrix holds is dio and he dies, then he comes back. In other cases you take dio back and just end him
frosty terrace
yeah some enemies do a surprising amount of damage
and there's even things that kill you through one shot protection, which is kind of silly
radiant ingot
well that was anti-climatic
rocky salmon
@gentle ivy now that's some heavy lore
kill me...
gentle ivy
@gentle ivy now that's some heavy lore
kill me...
@rocky salmon
rocky salmon
thank you
gentle ivy
thank you
@rocky salmon+1 HP
stoic tendon
What would you guys say are good alternative loadout options for characters?
I've unlocked everything for Mule, and a few others already.
(I know that captain's hack is pretty good early game, but Captain is pretty meh in general imo)
rocky salmon
just to clarify, mule is MUL-T?
frosty terrace
oh, there's a steam test branch for bug fixes now
lots of final boss and captain changes
apparently rex could be executed when frozen? 😄
the test branch is not showing up for me on steam though
surreal heron
Hey they fixed forgive me please! Turns out Frost relic and Pauldrons were supposed to trigger. They also made Loader bounce again 
frosty terrace
also meat hook made some procs not work, didn't even realize
but is that patch live? I don't see a beta opt in option in steam
frosty terrace
oh I see, I just skipped that first part of patch notes 😄
surreal heron
Or a code rather than password
radiant oar
just curious, does repulsion armor plate apply to rex’s self harm mechanic?
frosty terrace
I would assume it works, but I haven't played much rex lately
dull ingot
merry karma
dude i fucking love browsing through old messages ngl
surreal heron
@radiant oar Im not sure, as the moves description states the percent of damage taken, but it could, seeing how tougher times can block the damage
frosty terrace
0.45^9 I think. So 0.076%
long fern
any tips on how to make ion surge viable? Its soooo much fun to just shoot to the sky and rain death from above (except for the fact that I cant shoot directly bellow and thats... kinda important for "death from above" bombing strats)
crisp tulip
I use that as a last ditch effort to escape from tons of enemies
long fern
I wish it was on shift
dim frigate
The issue with being in the sky is that you're easy prey for ranged enemies
Specially ones with hitscan or autotarget.
Merc gets away with flying by having 4 dashes and invulnerability.
austere knoll
hey guys, is there a way to disable the screen distortion from spinel tonic?
tight creek
Art: ion surge
dim frigate
Loader gets away with it by hugging enemies and free barrier.
tight creek
Horde of wisps: yuh
dim frigate
Artificer has none of those, and no evasion or defensive abilities.
dim frigate
Oh no, it's not a bad ability
(Aside from the fact that arti is probably just the worst survivor in general)
(Has more or less been that way since her launch)
It's got huge burst damage, making it great for stacking bands and crowbars.
long fern
(idk, merc can be pretty bad and rex is kinda shit too)
dim frigate
Now that's funny.
tepid wolf
Rex is the best character in the game at the moment
dim frigate
Merc right now is a bit rough, but he's been nerfed in official release solely because while he's got a steep learning curve, he's pretty good.
tepid wolf
The alt secondary is just that good
dim frigate
And yeah. Rex in general is great. So much innate healing and a lot of damage.
sharp zenith
Rex is great, I just don’t see him played much
long fern
Rex has a meh m1 and a bad shift, maybe I just didnt get good enough items for him to not be a worse Commando
timber totem
Rex is really strong :X
tepid wolf
The m1 keeps you alive early game
dull ingot
@radiant oar it does
tepid wolf
The alt utility and secondary is your bread and butter
dim frigate
I haven't played Captain enough to know for sure, but I think a solid tier list is:
S - Rex, Mul-T
A - Engineer, Captain, Huntress, Merc
B - Commando, Loader, Acrid
C - None
D - Arti
radiant oar
damn that means its actually pretty good for rex, thanks Glubolorf!
dim frigate
And of course, note that B tier are by no means "bad". They're still very playable.
tepid wolf
Engineer is fun but needs to get a fungus usually
dim frigate
Oh lord, they need to get a single common item
long fern
The alt utility and secondary is your bread and butter
oh, maybe thats why he seemed pretty bad, I cant seem to get it... after more then 8 hours of farming 2nd stage
tepid wolf
Mainly on monsoon the turrets start getting shredded against monsters pretty quickly
dim frigate
While that's true, they can also shred monsters instantly
weary saddle
The sewer is an easy way to get a lot of really good items late in your run.
dim frigate
You mainly worry about Imps with turrets, I've found.
tepid wolf
Elder lemurians
dim frigate
Nah. Your shield keeps the fireball one-shot special from killing them.
And they they get DPS'd down by range.
tepid wolf
The shield is not that great compared to the harpoons
long fern
stationary engie is a risky character, if he doesn't get fungus then he if fucked and in the late game, if he doesn't have N'kuharas opinion then he is mega fucked, but if he does? well, he becomes god
weary saddle
There is usually a free fungus or two in the sewer
tepid wolf
Lemurians mainly have the flamethrower attack which does not care about your fungus
long fern
There is usually a free fungus or two in the sewer
???
dim frigate
I think that shield is way better than harpoons
Because you have all the DPS you need from turrets
And mines to protect them.
dim frigate
Yes, harpoons is solid damage, but the utility from shield is way better
tepid wolf
High burst damage is really good with harpoons
long fern
since when does risk of rain have a sewer level
the void could be considered a sewer but I am not sure thats what he means
tepid wolf
Mainly later on enemies don't care about the bubble
dim frigate
Not really?
I'm genuinely confused how you think that
Because it shuts down ranged enemies entirely provided you position well
Yeah, magma worms and imps will be a pain, but first off, magma worms are fucking busted right now. They're actually the worst boss.
long fern
I hate magma worm targeting
azure sierra
weird way to spell horde of many but aight
tepid wolf
Enemies like getting close to you so the bubble can get countered pretty easily sometimes
dim frigate
Enemies can't get close except imps and worms if you position well.
long fern
I hate magma worm targeting
if you ever buy a turret then say bye to your timer
so you guys seem to know quite a bit about harpoon (and by extension mobile turrets, at least I assume), got any tips?
tepid wolf
Mainly the harpoons make the engi early game a lot more bearable since you don't need to jump endlessly or place a turret against a few wisps
The mobile turrets are really bad sadly
They look cute, but their range, AI and lack of healing (no fungus) and worse DPS makes the lackluster
thorn grotto
Guys the more trip daggers you have the moree time it bleed or the more damage the bleed it does?
azure sierra
why is the DPS worse
long fern
Guys the more trip daggers you have the moree time it bleed or the more damage the bleed it does?
I think its just a better chance to apply bleed
trim niche
snipe wisps and jellyfish while you're routing early game for money
Non-elite ones should always die in one shot
tepid wolf
Bleed is busted now
thorn grotto
why?
trim niche
Allows you to focus a little more on searching out buyables
faint vector
Absolutely preposterous run thus far
thorn grotto
x80 bleed effect what does even do exactly?
dull ingot
@thorn grotto it only stacks in chance, 15%(+15% per stack)
tepid wolf
100% bleed chance melts bosses
faint vector
2 scrappers and a lens printer in stage 1
heady imp
hey guys, how u doin?? im kinda new in this game, looking for some people to play with and stuf..
thorn grotto
ok.. so what's the point of having a shit ton of bleeding on someone?
tepid wolf
Damage
faint vector
Bleeding kills
dull ingot
bleed as a debuff stacks in damage
tepid wolf
It can stack infinitely
thorn grotto
i've seen x80 stack disappearing immidiately without more damages
dim frigate
Bleeding stacks indefinitely, refreshes duration on reapply, synergizes well with Acrid's passive, procs death mark
trim niche
Also I don't know if this is true but if you're in harpoon targeting mode your mines' cooldown will not tick; if you obsessively use harpoons when they come back your dps will tank
dull ingot
if you don't reapply bleed, it will wear off
dim frigate
Also true.
(About the mine CD)
Harpoons are just really really awful. You shouldn't be dying early game. Even against wisps, it's just not really a thing that you should worry about
thorn grotto
so x80 stacks of bleeding gonna do the same ammount of 1 stack of bleeding?
dim frigate
No?
tepid wolf
Captain, Commando and Engie can really make the bleed go nuts
long fern
hey guys, how u doin?? im kinda new in this game, looking for some people to play with and stuf..
we are doing chaotic as always but Im not sure you will find a player easily in this chat
dull ingot
no
tepid wolf
The wisps waste a lot of time early game for engi (mainly just annoying though)
dim frigate
Yeah, so more tritips increase the chance by ~15%
tepid wolf
Engies's M1 feels awful to use generally the nades are not fun to use
dim frigate
(with the weird logistic stacking that all common items share)
trim niche
it's mostly an issue if for whatever reason you want to be faster early game
dim frigate
Oh yes. Engi M1 is awful.
trim niche
||or you want something else to chuck at mithrix||
dim frigate
But you have turrets that are on a criminally low CD
Turrets hard counter mithrix. It's funny
tepid wolf
Mithrix stage 3 is rough for engi
dim frigate
No it's not.
heady imp
we are doing chaotic as always but Im not sure you will find a player easily in this chat
@long fern oh thats fine, just shooting randomly.. who knows? lol
dim frigate
Place turrets before he ||steals your items||
He doesn't ||steal items from your turrets||
tepid wolf
Well the shockwave in the third phase after the hammer slam oneshots them
dim frigate
Kite him away from your turrets.
Or, just give them defenses
Engi is ridiculously braindead easy to play
And the only reason why I don't have him listed as S rank is because of his reliance on items for his turrets
tepid wolf
Almost beat Mithrix with the mobile turrets on monsoon yesterday
Turns out they can't shoot the lunar chimera drones
lone star
Tips and tricks?
dim frigate
But if they care as much about braindead characters (cough merc changes cough), put engi against the wall
Get bleed and death triggers, Jakamun
tepid wolf
I know the mobile turrets are awful but tried it for the meme
dim frigate
Never use alt poison
weary saddle
Mithrix got thrown down the sewer well.
dim frigate
And uh, that's about it
trim niche
it took me three goes his phase 4 as engi because all of those times the turrets died in p3 and i died to bleed procs
or some dot i forget
dim frigate
There aren't many complexities to acrid
tepid wolf
Acrid basically becomes ranged on the later stages
dim frigate
And at early
tepid wolf
So you basically just spam M2 and R and wait for things to die
long fern
huh
dim frigate
His regen on his third primary is just awful.
It's not worth
Remember charge laser from ROR1? That's what resonance disc is
tepid wolf
Disc can lead lead into insane procs sometimes
dim frigate
Disc is great
vocal violet
Hey guys I have a question I just came back from a couple of months and I can’t seem to be able to kill the stage 4 boss or jellyfish boss with my dash as mercenary. Did that get fixed ?
dim frigate
No, it's just harder to consistently proc
vocal violet
Ah thank you
dim frigate
It's still possible, as I've it some since release, but you can't rely on it
tepid wolf
The disc either does very little or deletes everything
dim frigate
I think that on-kill Merc is the best build for him
Grab new Doll, both Rings, Wisps, and Gasoline and go to town
(New doll is so much fucking fun)
Oh and obviously crowbars, but everyone wants those
tepid wolf
Great with the desk plant on engi
dim frigate
But yeah. That's how I beat ||mithrax|| on Monsoon first time
Because his Phase 3 is useless versus that build
Well, sorta. Because you'll likely stack a lot of crowbars too, he'll tend to one-shot
tepid wolf
Arti and Rex counter mithrix pretty hard on the first and third phase
dim frigate
But just dont' get hit 👍
cunning topaz
Just got to the moon at 27 minutes with 9 tri-tips, a wax quail, a few syringes and some on-hits on captain, got cocky and got 100-0'd by a flying lunar chimera's gatling gun ☺️
dim frigate
Oh yeah.
Chimeras? Fuck those guys. Scary mofos
I had to wait for my doll to come up every time so that I could use that to kill them
torpid spindle
imagine playing on pc and having the update...
little reef
i got to sky meadow as commando with a bunch of stuff and just got decimated by brass contraptions
tepid wolf
Contraptions are usually a joke unless they ambush you
faint vector
@little reef I’ve found that if you run to the left they literally cannot hit you
dim frigate
I find them to be the most dangerous ones because they're tanky, they like to sneak you, and they actually deal a lot of damage.
tepid wolf
I still despise elder lemurians the most though
dim frigate
Actually no. ELems still take that dishonor. Because they will 1-shot you
faint vector
Yeah they always catch you off guard
trim niche
elder lizards can eat shit
dim frigate
It's not even that
faint vector
Elems are annoying as fuck
dim frigate
I'm a merc main. If their AI decides that it wants to fireball 3 times in a row, I just die
Because I don't have the CDs to deal with that
faint vector
God help the poor souls playing melee character in this game
little reef
@faint vector yeah, but when youre dealing with parents, shrooms and elders, its pretty easy for a bell to sneak up on you and murder you with 3 balls to the face
faint vector
Yep
dim frigate
One of my friends is a loader main
tepid wolf
I mean merc is pretty good but he got slammed hard
faint vector
Sometimes it’s best to zoom away
dim frigate
I feel for his soul
Yeah. Merc is still alright, but like, damn he's just not fucking fun
trim niche
parents, a.k.a. "here's why we didn't bring back yellow elites"
faint vector
I’d play melee characters if they were a bit more dynamic
dim frigate
They wanted to remove autopilot gameplay from him?
little reef
what were yellow elites?
trim niche
teleport
dim frigate
That's a good fucking joke. The M1-3 change made him entirely flow-chart based
little reef
oh right
dim frigate
Teleport+attack speed boost
tepid wolf
Loader is not really melee
faint vector
Like, I love loaders mobility but, she’s actually kinda boring for me
dim frigate
But yeah. Because his CDs reset on M1-3 hits, it's literally just "use abilities, then go to your third M1"
faint vector
And yeah I dislike flowchart gameplay.
tepid wolf
Merc is the only real melee
dim frigate
The changes did the exact opposite of what they wanted
And I'm so fucking pissed about it. They didn't even try.
faint vector
The reason I like mul t so much is because he is very dynamic, no need for flowchart play
little reef
mul-t is a lot of fun
dim frigate
I can't stand Mul-T
tepid wolf
Well mul-t is basically gun go BRR
dim frigate
Because I really don't think he's dynamic either.
faint vector
I couldn’t stand mul t before the update, now I love him.
dim frigate
Have on-hit items? Go nail gun!
faint vector
Nail + rebar is so fun.
little reef
had a command run where i ended up with 225 soldier syringes and a rebar cannon
dim frigate
Have crosbars and on-death/rings? Go rebar!
tepid wolf
You always go nailgun
faint vector
Well I don’t play double nail, that’s lame
little reef
it was just a lazerbeam
faint vector
I don’t play double anything
tepid wolf
M1 the character
little reef
my fav mul-t combo is rebar and saw
dim frigate
He's literally just an engie turret that moves
faint vector
That’s your opinion then, idk personally I found him to be the most dynamic and adaptable of the roster
tepid wolf
Saw is a meme for the first few stages
trim niche
nail/saw
little reef
i dont like nail
faint vector
Saw is painful
trim niche
never tried scrap, plan to
dim frigate
There's a difference between adaptable and dynamic, don
little reef
its just too good
dim frigate
He's the exact opposite of dynamic because you mainly just use your M1. I don't think anyone here can genuinely contest that.
tepid wolf
Mul-t also has no sprint animation which makes him feel so slow
dim frigate
(words)
faint vector
I actually don’t think nail is that great cause for me it’s hard to hit small targets like lemur with nail
little reef
he does have one, slightly
dim frigate
He stands up a bit during sprint
little reef
i think he is just slow though
fossil pine
01
dim frigate
It's weird looking.
little reef
no, he goes down
little reef
his extra wheels deploy
faint vector
He just lunges forward a bit
little reef
i mean, thats just what you have for a character with wheels, you dont really get a walk cycle
dim frigate
But anyways, looking at the roster
reef prism
@dull ingot that run was eclipse mode, in eclipse mode the only option is to kill him, i've tried rushing, i've tried waiting and i've tried mediating with good items, so far the only successful victory was with acrid where i stayed on a pillar and cheese'd him with poison
the final boss' final phase is just stupid.
dim frigate
Commando - Boring. One-dimensional, blah blah blah.
Huntress - As far as auto-based chars go, she's the best. Still, kinda bleh. Feels immobile unless you use alt-LShift
Mul-T - Yawn
Engie - Fuck this.
Arti - I really wish she was good, but she's just not. She's awful and it feels so bad.
Merc - See color. Although I hate the update.
Rex - Not bad, but I'm bad at him. It's sad.
Loader - I really don't quite get the feel of this char
Acrid - Genuinely is fun, but again, I'm not very good.
Captain - I think is pretty fun. Yes he's immobile, but he doesn't feel helplessly immobile.
I really wish sniper was added, but that vote was rigged.
There were 4 options in the new character option. There was literally no way it wasn't going to win
little reef
theres a really solid sniper mod
tepid wolf
Rex is insane
little reef
by a dude called rein
dim frigate
(I meant as far as fun goes, Duke. Not how good they are)
Rex is decently fun, but I'm bad.
reef prism
loader is by far the most fun
vocal zenith
does mod manager still work with the latest patch
dim frigate
Does it bring back best girl (AKA spotter drone)?
little reef
yeah it does
vocal zenith
have not used mods in a long time
tepid wolf
I find captain semi fun but basically having 2 abilities most of the time can make it feel a bit samey
gleaming bloom
Capitan is an absolute chad, love his aesthetic
dim frigate
Yes. An absolute unit
Which I think is a really solid feel.
I think he captures Enforcer's "goal" from ROR1 better than Enforcer did
The "I wade around and fuck you up because you can't stop me"
dull ingot
captain needs an alt m2 imo
little reef
i'll like the page
dim frigate
Yeah, alt M2 does feel bad
little reef
link*
dim frigate
But here's what I think of it as
gleaming bloom
I wish i could replace the Capitan stunner option with a quick, short burst from his shotgun to deal with multiple enemies at once close range. Cause the capitan's main weapon is good, but really tedious to use against small clusters of enemies
dim frigate
It's not damage. It's not a microstun
little reef
dim frigate
It's a "I don't want to fight you until I can drop 3 satellites on top of your head"
It's a full stasis ability. Because it has no duration, as far as I can tell. If it does, then it's at least 10 seconds
tepid wolf
The R is nice but the hacking outclasses the rest by a longshot
little reef
its a really solid sniper, a real good bit of fun
dull ingot
his stun just feels very underwhelming
little reef
my problem with caps' r is that the range on the beacons is just pitiful
gleaming bloom
wonder if the bandit is ever going to release for this game
dim frigate
The heal is very nice around midgame.
little reef
and his stun gets turned off too easy
dim frigate
And shocking is great because it's an AoE "I'm not messing with you right now" zone
tepid wolf
The hacking saves a lot of time which is important in ROR2
dim frigate
That's the thing though. Unless you have 500 drones, it's not
10% of their max HP is quite a bit
tepid wolf
Mainly it can hack the legendary chest on abyssal depths
dim frigate
It gives you time to run away, it gives you time to recharge your LShift, it gives you time to deal with weaker enemies around them
tepid wolf
Oh and chance shrines become free so you basically get 2 free items
dull ingot
either way i still think hes pretty decent and fun to play
tepid wolf
His M1 is great at procs
dim frigate
Oh absolutely. He feels fun.
trim niche
never played him
what's his "supply beacon" do
little reef
i think my biggest problem with that sniper mod is that it doesnt fit in with the style of the game quite right
dim frigate
Only issue I personally have with him is that he feels ridiculously slow
little reef
seems a bit out of place
dim frigate
You choose 2 beacons at select, bag
trim niche
oh, those ones
dim frigate
You have heal and shock at start, and can unlock 2 other types
(You can choose the same twice)
plush sigil
we talking about captain?
trim niche
My dumb ass thought they were 5th and 6th abilities
dull ingot
theres one that recharges equipment instantly and one that reduces the price of stuff around too
dim frigate
Yep
dull ingot
until the prices reaches 0
dim frigate
Recharges equipment is bad.
tepid wolf
The hacking reduces the price to zero
dim frigate
The 3 best equipments in the game right now have tiny cooldowns
But the hacking one is cheesetastic
dull ingot
very
dim frigate
Especially in Depths or if you get lucky
And have a bunch of shrines next to each other
tepid wolf
It basically saves minutes of a run by making the first few stages a lot faster
dim frigate
Oh yeah.
The only issue with captain (aside from him feeling slow at start, but that's personal preference)
You can't use his LShift or R in hidden realms
Because they require connection to his ship
plush sigil
Can you use opus on him yet or is it still knackered?
dull ingot
yeah its super annoying
dim frigate
Still bugged in MP
plush sigil
it happens
rigid arch
What’s an easy/fastest way to get Acrid
dim frigate
Engineer
tepid wolf
He still has the dumb visions of heresy cheese
dim frigate
Oh yeah. Also that
dull ingot
drizzle with engi
dim frigate
Engineer with 1 fungus decimates void fields
Unless you get ELems
Void fields is literally just RNG about whether you get ELems and brass contraptions
tepid wolf
Or teslas
trim niche
or mushrums
dim frigate
Teslas was nerfed on enemies, wasn't it?
dull ingot
maybe do it with someone running merc so you can easily get newt altars
tepid wolf
Razor wire and fungus with engi does it really well
vocal zenith
is there a mod that makes a blue portal spawn every time ? it sucks to not being able to get a blue portal because you play an unmobile survivor
little reef
the worst enemy by far is wisps
tepid wolf
Basically put the turrets outside the cell zone and watch the razor wire storm
dim frigate
There probably is, but why would you want that? That kinda throws balance for a loop
Hmm. Not sure about the aesthetic of the sniper mod. It honestly feels very messy. but we'll see how they play
dim frigate
Hmm, the skills also are bleugh
little reef
how so?
dull ingot
reminds me a lot of destiny
dim frigate
I think that the ammo types are a solid addition, but the other abilities are a bit much.
The passive (actual passive) slot is too much and just generally not well designed. I don't know how long the recharge is, but I'm a bit concerned the primary deals too much damage (360% base? Yikes)
And then the Special both seems awkward and also too strong
little reef
it oneshots things early but starts to fall off, especially with the slow reload
the special is a bit awkward and i dont remember what his passive is
dim frigate
Oh wow. I really don't like this. Yeah, I see why they've kinda frozen dev on sniper.
Because it could very easily turn into this.
little reef
huh, i reckon its fun, but each to their own haha
slim raptor
Sniper is pretty much in the game now with the rebar rework.
dim frigate
True
little reef
so what do you not like about how it feels? im genuinely curious
dim frigate
Most of my issue comes in the form of the additional passive, the M2, and the R (also to a lesser extent LShift. It feels jerky and really gets in the way of the flow of gameplay)
little reef
whats his additional passive again?
frosty terrace
what survivor are we talking about?
dim frigate
In ROR1, sniper's M2, which is similar to this, took a few seconds (like 6) to charge, but this takes 25 seconds to charge and just slows down the gameplay immensely for that time
little reef
and which of the two m2s are you using
dim frigate
Sniper mod, and the charge scope
frosty terrace
oh
little reef
it doesnt take very long if you stand still, and i reccomend just using the other m2
dim frigate
Standing still is a death sentence. It's just not viable. Even with mushrooms.
little reef
well it still takes a while, but significatly less
youre not wrong
thats why i just use the other m2
dim frigate
And forcing people to stand still is bad gameplay in a fast-paced looter shooter roguelike like this
hardy comet
did someone say Bungus 👀
dull ingot
its very counter intuitive
little reef
true true
hardy comet
I like Bungus
dim frigate
The R is too strong. Flat out
little reef
i agree
pine iris
little reef
the 500% dmg it deals is dumb
dim frigate
It automatically pulls all aggro and then stuns every enemy in the area, while also dealing a fuck ton of damage
pine iris
I heard bungus
dim frigate
Backflip was never a good movement ability
little reef
if it didnt deal dmg i think it would be more balanced
dim frigate
And it's one thing that should definitely be changed.
Maybe make it a customizable directional dodge, similar to commando's, but with a twist
Maybe a longer CD, but it automatically reloads.
hardy comet
bungus with rejuv rack and kahuna's aspect is nice
little reef
the auto reload is definitely the best thing about it
dim frigate
The M1 stunning also is a bit much.
hardy comet
I really should stop playing Engi
little reef
does the m1 stun?
dim frigate
It interrupted a golem laser
little reef
huh
dim frigate
So I'd assume so.
As for the good, I do like the types of ammo to choose your roles. FMJ for boss melter and piercing, and explosive for crowd control (although it does too much splash. .8x in a rather large AoE? That's a lot)
little reef
even if it does, i dont think it stunning is a problem, considering its basically single target and this game has so many hordes
dim frigate
And the way M1 works does still feel pretty good.