probably doesnt have that much playtime
#gd2-nullified
ivory depot
frosty terrace
pretty often some other mob gets the last hit
I've still killed almost a hundred of those guys
frosty terrace
I have 120h in ror2, so not a too much yeah
and to be killed by overloading magmaworm you need to have a pretty long run
most of my runs are not looping ones
ivory depot
honestly overloading worms arent htat common, since they cant be elites, they wont appear super lategame but they wont appear super earlygame
quartz saffron
or activate 2 mountain shrines on stage 4 #gd1-nullified message
frosty terrace
yeah, that's how I got some overloading worms in this captain run I just had
mountain shrines and also got a few from shrines of combat
the first sky meadow boss fight was 3 overloading worms, I wasn't yet at a point where those things could not kill me, but getting to the highest point in the map kept me pretty safe
or I guess it must have been 4 worms, since I had swarm on
not sure if 3 bosses is possible with that artifact on
sly lily
does anyone want to explain to me how merc is now actually more difficult/skill-required gameplay wise? playing him again and it just seems like he's now worse due to nerfs, providing artificial "difficulty"
finite swallow
just means if you use skills in ways that applies exposed and cancels animations you can do more damage
and makes it so you die faster so you gotta dodge more
gusty hare
Yeah if you're applying exposed and using it properly your skills essentially have no cooldown, which means you've also got constant iframes
cunning topaz
Been struggling pretty damn hard to beat Mithrix on monsoon, I can usually get through stage 5 with no problems but I just get destroyed by his 3rd phase on every character besides Huntress
I feel underpowered, should I be fighting him after the 2nd or 3rd loop instead?
finite swallow
how are you dying
cunning topaz
Usually because he gets me to use my mobility skills, then teleports and 1shots me with the big hammer swing
quartz saffron
I can recommend acrid, as long as you don't get hit poison can deal with the enemies
cunning topaz
Also I feel like my damage output, outside of really good runs, is pretty low
finite swallow
usually with 1 hopoo feather you can dodge all the attacks in phase 1 or 3
cunning topaz
And low damage output=more time to make mistakes
finite swallow
how fast are you getting to the moon
cunning topaz
Generally around 20-25 minutes
finite swallow
hm
cunning topaz
It’s possible I’ve just gotta work on my dodging/mechanical consistency in his fight and my build and timing are generally good
I’ve gotten to his 4th phase once, lost because I forgot to scrap my genesis loop
finite swallow
well with heavy hitters you can try going with hit and run
which character are you using? or is it just all of them
cunning topaz
Been trying all, been having the most success with Huntress
I steamrolled his 1st and 2nd phase with Loader, accidentally got caught in his big hammer move on the 3rd
finite swallow
loader hit and running works pretty well
with merc, just use your r and get out
if you are doing rebar spam woth mult, ur damage output and range are so high that it shouldnt be a problem
idk about acrid never really played him, but just poisoning him and running doesnt sound too bad
with ion surge, he will never hit artificer
cunning topaz
I eventually want to beat him on all characters, the one that scares me a little is Captain
gusty hare
My first mithrix kill was just laming him out with acrid, it's viable
finite swallow
tbh captain looks much easier than commando for me
finite swallow
if you get 1 hopoo, you can jump over pretty much all pf his attacks
frosty terrace
captain m1 is very good, if you're mobile enough, boss should be fine
finite swallow
there are also cheeses with pathfinding, but the best is where you get him to do like a fifth of his health to fall damage
frosty terrace
my first boss kill was with engineer, the turrets keep their items in the last phase if you make them before losing your items so phase 4 is a breeze with him
cunning topaz
Yeah ik the engineer strat
But without mobility doesn’t engineer just get fucked by mithrix
finite swallow
with merc, in phae 4 he cant hit you at all if you u just stay above him
with the new hitpause
frosty terrace
yeah, mithrix kills turrets fast, you just have to keep moving and dropping turrets and mines
cunning topaz
Aight
frosty terrace
I had one quail and jumping kept me safe
cunning topaz
Anyways thanks for all the help y’all
chrome garnet
Mired Urn and Glass stacking is even more evil to use with a team then Glowing Meteorite and gesture stacking
cunning topaz
Lmfao didn’t think about that
Got one mired urn by itself and my friends were annoyed as hell with me
I gotta try that now
chrome garnet
When ever you pick one up every one hates you
cunning topaz
I’m the “glowing meteorite+gesture” guy
chrome garnet
So i got 6 urns and 8 glass waiting till moon boss was dead and attack one time (You have to attack to trigger urn)
everyone dies and i kill my self
Am i evil for doing it? yes!
Did i enjoy it? YES!!
Will it do it to other poor souls?? no..
gusty hare
Wouldn't you instantly kill the other players upon loading into a stage? Lmao
chrome garnet
You have to attack to trigger it
gusty hare
Oh right
chrome garnet
So if your smart and the team does not know then when you do it will be to late and they will be confused as heck
tired axle
i have to try this
cunning topaz
The real teammate killer is Forgive Me Please plus Soulbound catalyst plus Desk plant, my PC could handle the lag from all the particles but my friend’s couldn’t
chrome garnet
I for one hope they patch it to not leech teammates
tired axle
at least so it doesn't leech from other players anymore
i don't think the drones really mind
chrome garnet
Err i like a more hands on approach! I want to see into there eyes when i kill them
Some times you just need a bit of chaos in a run.
ivory depot
welp, i didnt get any logs on my clover run, howeverrrrrrrrrrrrr
i got a screenshot of the frog
finite swallow
just get 30 clovers
ivory depot
yeah i was lazy i dont really care the frog is worth it
chrome garnet
To bad team i was playing with will not be seeing that frog soon
tired axle
I just got the frog too
ivory depot
noice
pine forge
i got a picture of the frog when my doppelganger was active lol
cunning topaz
Oh, in artifact of command runs there’s no point in getting 10 pairs of crit glasses. A stack of scythes and a stack of predatory instincts each give 5%, so only 9 glasses are needed for 100% crit
@tired axle
ivory depot
oh yeah whyd you get 10 lel?
tired axle
why did you ping me?
ivory depot
becuase they have a deathwish
tired axle
makes sense
cunning topaz
Wasn’t sure if you were gonna see lol sorry
cunning topaz
Nah you have 10 in that screenshot
cunning topaz
It’s fine I was kinda condescending about that lol
dense pendant
Whats the frog
tired axle
it spawns after you beat the final boss
smoky idol
is it better to loop around instaed of fighting Mithrix right away if I'm trying to beat him? or should I just send it if I have good items when I get to the primordial tp
tired axle
at the start of the stage
ivory depot
if you go back to where you enter the stage during detonation therell be the frog
dense pendant
What's it do
tired axle
nothing
thick sage
nothing
ivory depot
it is frog
thick sage
it's an easter egg
tired axle
it's a pretty cool frog even
reef cloak
i've hesitated asking here because i don't just want to be told that i need to get good and that i suck but
ive reached the final boss 4 times on monsoon and cant for the life of me beat it
and i'm wondering if there's something i'm not getting
ivory depot
which phase is hte hardest for you?
reef cloak
stage 2 because I don't have the mobility/aoe/single target on anyone I play to kill them without dying. I always assumed fighting him on first rotation(stage 5) is best because of the time scaling? do I just need to wait a few more rotations so I have plenty more items?
ivory depot
it doesnt really matter, same kind of looping stuff applies. itll get easier the more you loop but also more chaotic.
phase 2, use the pillars to your advantage
dull ingot
just play artificer, since this is one of the only bosses affected by cc
ivory depot
if you are struggling or low on health try running around them to block projectiles till you heal
smoky idol
is it better to loop around instaed of fighting Mithrix right away if I'm trying to beat him? or should I just send it if I have good items when I get to the primordial tp
tired axle
artis flight also really helps, since most of his attack are ground based
ivory depot
i hate arti lel, i havent even tried
tired axle
it's really easy with the second special
ivory depot
like ive done fine without, i just despise artis playstyle
reef cloak
yeah I don't have a problem with mithrix specifically because his attacks are super telegraphed. its just the phase 2 ads
ivory depot
sticky bombs got nerfed a lonnnng time ago lel
forest fog
Yeah I know, but this was my first opportunity post nerfs to stack 'em 
smoky idol
is it better to loop around instaed of fighting Mithrix right away if I'm trying to beat him? or should I just send it if I have good items when I get to the primordial tp?
tired axle
if you think your items are good enough you should probably go to mithrix
dull ingot
if you loop more then you'll have a better chance to one shot him while he's stealing your items
but if you don't loop he can't kill you instantly
+the ads become easier to kill with more items
primal valley
Holy shit mithrix is easy if your ranged
crisp cosmos
yeah you can cheese almost the entire battle by sitting on the ramp things on the edge of the arena
wooden pine
when is the next hotfix/update coming?
primal valley
you can avoid his item steal ability, on those ramps!
dull ingot
wut
ivory depot
what his item steal ability has unlimited range
dull ingot
I refuse to believe this is true
primal valley
No i was able to escape his item steal on the ramps, you just have to run away from it.
kept most of myitems and killed him quickly
dull ingot
I need to see this
ivory depot
his item steal doesnt have range... its just... he takes them. he doesnt care.
what you probably saw was you just you being able to attack him while he does it, which you can always do.
smoky idol
wait, Do I need to kill mithrix to obliterate?
crisp cosmos
no
ivory depot
no
smoky idol
d e r p
primal valley
nope
crisp cosmos
you can still loop
ivory depot
mithrix and obliteration are not the same
thick sage
nope
crisp cosmos
lol
smoky idol
ahhh ok.
thick sage
you don't get coins
smoky idol
I just need to kill him on monsoon for challenge, but I can obliterate on monsoon for my white coat?
ivory depot
they are completely seperate
smoky idol
after the first celestial portals, how many stages to see it again?
hearty violet
is the blast shower thing to reset bands a bug?
crisp cosmos
possibly
ivory depot
yeah thats probably a bug or maybe its intended
hearty violet
dont wanna get used to it
crisp cosmos
hope not though
ivory depot
yeah
smoky idol
woooo got captain obliterate on monsoon 3rd try. captain is actually so good
hearty violet
not top tier good though
crisp cosmos
i'd put him in like a B personally
hearty violet
Huntress, loader, merc is above for sure. Maybe Rex
floral violet
tiers are based on your playstyle though
hearty violet
well you couldnt keep up with those classes
floral violet
it's subjective, some people are S Tier as Rex while some find him F tier because he doesn't suit how they play
hearty violet
they kill too much faster in multiplayer
hearty violet
On Arti I be doing low dmg cause while Im charging, about to nano bomb some mobs, someone just 1 shots them as im charging 😄
floral violet
I'd probably rank Captain as A tier, his kit feels good, his shotgun is just amazing.
he lacks some mobility but that can be corrected with items
dull ingot
Idk, captains ability to nullify so many monsters attacks with a few drones and attack speed is ridiculous, also his combo Artie with flame band is ridiculous
crisp cosmos
with the hacking station a max of 2 free items early game is huge
floral violet
yeah except I don't get hit by projectiles 99% of the time anyway
crisp cosmos
saves you so much time
floral violet
hit scan is far more dangerous than projectiles
swift vault
crisp cosmos
/\
swift vault
xD
floral violet
hardlight is pretty good on him yeah
swift vault
on the shrine of chance xD
floral violet
it's good luck, luck I wish I had on my loader runs
hell luck I wish I just had on any run
with any character
crisp cosmos
I got a meathook from my first chest once then got one shot by an elite lemurian : (
floral violet
yeah sounds about right
dull ingot
Had a run where I grabbed like 3 rares on first and second stage alongside crit printer then lack of mobility made me rip
hearty violet
when u trade all your mobility for crit
dull ingot
It was huntress with flurry too it hurt bro
floral violet
my favorite stupid death I've seen is one of an Acrid player spawning in and while they are standing up they are being burned to death by a flame beetle
crisp cosmos
lol
floral violet
it's like, wow game. just wow
hearty violet
i play captain with a m1 macro and the shift comes out super fast. My finger feels much better now
hold mouse side button for shotty, left click to aim
floral violet
why would you do that? part of what makes Vulcan Shotgun so good is that you can control the spread on it
hearty violet
Hmm i can aim when I need to, but i do get lazy sometimes and just fire
lethal sonnet
Rex > all
lethal sonnet
just take barbedwire and u win without moove
floral violet
in stage 4 specifically
dull ingot
okay, standing behind/on top of the pillars does not block mithrix from stealing your items
floral violet
nope
lethal sonnet
Loader is good for big boy
crisp cosmos
nope
lethal sonnet
not for clear
dull ingot
but you can cheese him super hard with acrid
floral violet
loader is a woman
hearty violet
lies
dull ingot
i'm newish to the game and i love playing loader, how can i oneshot mithrix?
crisp cosmos
loader is indeed a female
lethal sonnet
Crowwbar
crisp cosmos
best girl in the game
floral violet
in phase 4? @dull ingot
dull ingot
theres a 4th phase!?
floral violet
2 shaped glass usually does it if you are pre 40 minutes
hearty violet
artificer best girl
dull ingot
i thought it only went to 3...
floral violet
with a gauntlet hit
lethal sonnet
only 3
dull ingot
get 50+ focus crystals + shaped glass + crit?
floral violet
nope, phase 1 is fight Mithrix, phase 2 is fight robots, phase 3 is fight Mithrix with some robots, phase 4 is Mithrix steals all of your items if you don't DPS him to death first then you get them back by hitting him but you get them slowly
dull ingot
how do i get all these very specific items?
dull ingot
do i loop until i get 3d printers?
hearty violet
floral violet
go to the shop
lethal sonnet
Drizzle
floral violet
This is my run from last night, I had 2 shaped glass without looping, I also had 4 gestures and a royal capacitor from Sky Meadows
hearty violet
Well <.<
steady arch
did u farm sky meadows or stage 4
floral violet
I farmed sky meadows post teleporter for some extra items
steady arch
did u got to void fields at all?
floral violet
Void Fields after stage 1
floral violet
Same run post stage 1
steady arch
I need to get loader unlocks 
hearty violet
is void beatable when monsters get tesla coils? 😄
floral violet
yes, just hard
you'll be running around a lot and dragging them away form the circle to get back in it and get some progress
it's a cat and mouse at that point really
hearty violet
oh thats how you do it
floral violet
Monsoon though if you screw up once you'd die, tesla coil can kill you in like a second or two
usually I'd just head for the portal and peace out at that point
it isn't worth the couple extra items
even if they are a couple greens and a red
hearty violet
i see
floral violet
generally though when I play monsoon my goal is to have 3 items, and first bazaar before 5 minutes
at a minimum, I'll stretch the time on the first stage a bit close to 5 minutes if I'm getting a couple extra items easily or I see something I want like a backup mag
dull ingot
whirlwind or rising thunder?
floral violet
I don't play merc but as far as I know that is mostly person preference, they are both good
dull ingot
ok ty
hearty violet
do you like going up or forward
dull ingot
I like both
floral violet
the current merc argument is whether SW is better than Evis
lots of people are onboard with SW now that it has been buffed a bit
dull ingot
but ill take whirlwind for the cool momentum glitch thing
I wish I could use SW but i don't have it unlocked
hearty violet
SW doesnt scale though so idk. With double atk speed Evis is double dmg while slicing winds is the same
hearty violet
is the 1sec CD enough to surpass eviscerate 🤔
dull ingot
yes
floral violet
that is the argument yes
dull ingot
it doesn't apply expose
floral violet
it would be hard to get that much attack speed in a run
dull ingot
yeah, how much speed are we talking here
hearty violet
warhorn is almost double
floral violet
at that point it is arguable your abilities are meaningless
if you are breaking 300% attack speed you probably also have at least some cooldown reduction and tons of on hits
and you are probably dashing through an enemy and instantly gibbing them half the time anyway
the argument is the early game, which SWs is arguably better early on
hearty violet
you get to a point where sometimes R one shots at stage 6 where SW cant
floral violet
on what difficulty?
hearty violet
monsoon
floral violet
I've never seen or heard of someone one shotting stage 4 mithrix with an Evis
on stage 6
hearty violet
i meant the world
hearty violet
yah
hearty violet
I'm not playing merc until they fix his expose. Broken when you arent the host and team keeps stealing your expose =X I dont really play solos.
Slicing Winds is really fun but cant use it
So at 100% atk speed Eviscerate is 1540% and Slicing Winds is 800%. Can you cast 2-3 slicing winds for every eviscerate? Idk how to math
floral violet
this argument was already explained by someone in the other game discussion channel last night
floral violet
Lots of people think Slicing Winds is better specifically because it applies expose which reduces the cooldowns of your other abilities which in turn results in higher damage output in the same amount of time
at the expense of some iframes
hearty violet
Hmm cool I want Slicing winds to be better. More Risk More Reward
floral violet
the argument is that currently it is
but I don't play merc so I can't attest to how true that is in practice, but mathematically it made sense.
split cloak
I died here with Imp bosses
floral violet
it's like the charged gauntlet vs thunder gauntlet argument though, in theory charged gauntlet can do 4000% damage if you are traveling at maximum speed and full charge it but thunder gauntlet does a flat 2000% with far less charge up and does 1000% damage to all targets adjacent to the target in a pretty decent sized cone. It also can knock some enemies back into that cone before that damage is applied meaning you do 3000% damage to that enemy instead of 2000%. This is arguably better since in the time it takes to full charge a charged gauntlet you can throw like 5 thunder gauntlets if you are good at the spin
and have afterburners to do so
split cloak
does obliteration count as winning in Eclipse?
split cloak
yikes
pine iris
what's the purity log?
floral violet
like what does Purity do?
split cloak
I still haven't beat Mithrix without looping, so hard
floral violet
-2 seconds from cooldowns, -1 Luck
Luck is the effect applied by clover (in clovers case it gives +1 Luck)
hearty violet
Hmm one punch can hit all the enemies the other cant as much 🤔
floral violet
Charged Gauntlet can hit multiple enemies but they need to be in a line
floral violet
it goes through the target
hearty violet
seems easy to line it up
floral violet
oh that is a good hacking probe mate, free items
in the heat of things it isn't
for the 4000% damage you have to be moving at maximum speed
which is only achievable by being mid air
and the only way to do that effectively is to slingshot yourself at enemies with the grapple
hearty violet
oh and that takes time
smoky idol
is it just me or does the captain mastery skin look worse than the default
split cloak
I like charged more because I can hold it for X amount of time
floral violet
it takes timing and a good amount of skill and knowledge with how the grapple will move you around and over things
oak ferry
What's the point in allowing joining ongoing games if you can't even play the ongoing game
floral violet
spectating
floral violet
some people like to spectate
like maybe if they are looking for ways to improve their gameplay they will look for someone playing the character they want to improve with and watch them play to pick up things they might be able to do to be better
oak ferry
i guarantee 99.9% of people spectating are trying to join the game, not watch it
that's what twitch is for
floral violet
I won't argue that most people aren't trying to join the game but 99.9% is likely way more than the actual number
oak ferry
big doubts
floral violet
not everyone streams on twitch and not everyone wants to watch an internet personality interact with their fans
oak ferry
also mad that the update said they fixed the filter but it's still borked
floral violet
🤷 shit happens
smoky idol
sawmerang vs royal capacitor
floral violet
especially when it comes to software, plenty of times I've attempted to fix something as a developer and even though it seemed fixed in testing find out later it broke something else or was only "fixed"
Royal Capacitor is my preference
but mostly because one tapping enemies from across the map is hilarious
floral violet
Why does the laughing in Russian make me angry at Mithrix?
wintry chasm
He was in suka blyatl mood
floral violet
legitimately one of the most adorable things I've seen is that Russian kid falling over pulling a carrot out of a garden and when they fall over they start swearing
wintry chasm
You should check some minecraft russian videos
dull ingot
||The ability to delete the large alloy AOEs and the AOEs from the lil walker things and the final sprint back to the ending ship seems wonky||
floral violet
yeah, not as adorable as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xADcMXHT3HA
children swearing is adorable
wintry chasm
Cute !
marble oyster
marble oyster
Captain be like
floral violet
oh for captain?
wintry chasm
Yarrrr, Shiver me timbers!!!!!
floral violet
marble oyster
wintry chasm
Or shiver me 
wintry chasm
Nope, but i rly like, that some crappy items becomes god tier in sthis mode ( Chronobubble, volcanic egg, Jumping red item ( i dont have any clue how this shit is named)
floral violet
my favorite run I've had with Captain so far was a tonic run
I got lucky and found a fuel cell printer
wintry chasm
Jesus
marble oyster
Most def.
floral violet
is just dumb
marble oyster
But... healing towers, or free items?
I used to think the healing was broken but now I can’t stop swiping shrines and legendary chests
floral violet
You never have to go through withdrawal if you are just on the tonic 24/7
dull ingot
Big sips boys
marble oyster
Wonder what it tastes like
floral violet
like heaven in a bottle
marble oyster
poison.
floral violet
like the purest vodka known to man
wintry chasm
You never have to go through withdrawal if you are just on the tonic 24/7
@floral violet Good luck to fight last boss with 6+ tonic sickness
After he steal ur items
floral violet
Tonic Sickness is removed while you are under the effects of Tonic
wintry chasm
floral violet
is permanent tonic up time
wintry chasm
3 phase - u ded
marble oyster
Yea so if it never runs out there’s never a chance to get addicted to that sweet, sweet space crack
wintry chasm
I survived this run tho
marble oyster
I may try eclipse
wintry chasm
Tonic sickness will come anyway, even if u dont have any before 3 phase of boss fight
I got like 6
floral violet
Tonic Sickness is applied when the buff ends
marble oyster
ohhhh because your items will go away if you don’t DPS check him fast enough
I see what you’re saying
floral violet
if it never ends you never get sickness
wintry chasm
This feel, when you are disabled and forced to fight with another disabled guy
if it never ends you never get sickness
@floral violet Even if u have 0, at 3 phase u will get a bunch of them
I expirienced this already
floral violet
how when it never ends?
wintry chasm
Yes
floral violet
literally makes the tonic cooldown shorter than the duration
wintry chasm
I had 0 sickness
wintry chasm
Before last phase had 2 and 3 or 4
marble oyster
Having multiple gestures is never a bad thing
floral violet
are you saying you failed the dps check and he took your items and you kept using tonic?
wintry chasm
Imagine to shot with 0.5 speed, move with 0.5 speed, have 0, 5 damage
floral violet
I mean, it isn't an addiction until you can't quit mate.
wintry chasm
painright here
floral violet
and no multiple gestures is great, I had 4 on my run yesterday and a single fuel cell with royal capacitor (mostly because I couldn't find a tonic 😦) and the royal capacitor cooldown was like 2 seconds so it was constantly going off
wintry chasm
Capacitor is better
floral violet
capacitor is a different style of play, both are good and both are fun
wintry chasm
Stack moving speed items and jsut run around
floral violet
but I'd argue if you have charged gauntlet on Loader than tonic is better
wintry chasm
before u get like 20 tonic sicknesses
floral violet
because movement speed gives you damage
wintry chasm
Or u should one shot phase 3
floral violet
I always one shot mithrix before he takes my shit
no one takes my stuff and lives to tell the tale.
marble oyster
For sure, loader has always had some questionable damage numbers
wintry chasm
True
marble oyster
I wouldn’t want it any other way
wintry chasm
Sometiumes 1 oneshot whole map
floral violet
to be fair that is because Loader takes a lot of skill to get those numbers
she is really clunky if you don't know how to grapple well
wintry chasm
Sometimes u ded
But yeah, loader is easiest vs mitrix
Cuz u avoid all of his abilities
dull ingot
Damn I got to the final boss and I thought I was playing on Monsoon, didn’t look at the actual difficulty till the last stage
He still beat me though
floral violet
like the first few times I played loader I hated it, I was so used to huntress and being able to just sprint everywhere and blink all over the place then I learned to fly with grapple
wintry chasm
Lol
runic finch
@oak ferry we didn't mention the filter being fixed for 1.0.0.6. Internally, we have that fixed for 1.0.1.x. We have the option there for servers that have been modded for drop-in
dull ingot
Did they buff the monsoon difficulty somehow
marble oyster
engineer was my father
marble oyster
But captain became my grandfather
wintry chasm
To difficulty increse
floral violet
yes, Monsoon got harder, Drizzle got easier.
marble oyster
Same
wintry chasm
he is so broken holy shit
dull ingot
So how should I be playing Monsoon now, do I just pray? Someone said go for 4 minutes a stage still but I feel like you have to be faster
marble oyster
he feels like a guest character from a different game
dull ingot
I am also playing as Commando so
marble oyster
We can play if you want
wintry chasm
So how should I be playing Monsoon now, do I just pray? Someone said go for 4 minutes a stage still but I feel like you have to be faster
@dull ingot everyone playing eclipse mode right now
Captain feels like boss
floral violet
@runic finch Honestly I like that the modding community was considered in your development discussions great job so far, keep it up... Also give us Chef lol
runic finch
😄
wintry chasm
@runic finch Honestly I like that the modding community was considered in your development discussions great job so far, keep it up... Also give us Chef lol
@floral violet and enforcer
thorn grotto
Hei guys how is gesture + tonic combo on Engi?
wintry chasm
Hei guys how is gesture + tonic combo on Engi?
@thorn grotto meh combo
Not for engi
marble oyster
Last time i checked, i think tonic doesn’t work on the turrets
calm bay
Would making the item sharing mod an artifact be too powerful? 🤔
thorn grotto
im trying to complete the boss for the skin
wintry chasm
Good luck
If u want the skin badly and cant beat boss - take sacrifice arty and go void
farm like 1 hour, became last boss for everyone
calm bay
Because I think it would be a fun one to have like the command artifact. No one in multiplayer has to fight over boxes if everyone gets an power up
runic finch
imo team-wide item cloning would be way more busted than even command.
wintry chasm
imo item cloning would be way more busted than even command.
@runic finch clone this cronobubble fast
calm bay
Perhaps a draw back to go with it then? 🤔
wintry chasm
Legged ones
calm bay
I say stationary
marble oyster
Depends on what you like, really.
wintry chasm
They can survive, stationary will die
marble oyster
You can get those classic heals with stationary
wintry chasm
If u lucky with shrooms
floral violet
imo team-wide item cloning would be way more busted than even command.
@runic finch Oh you mean item sharing mod? yeah that shit is broken as hell, hilariously fun though sometimes
marble oyster
True, bungus required
calm bay
Tbh I always play with command ever since I got the artifact
marble oyster
Cheating is fun ^
calm bay
Did the same in the first game
floral violet
I refuse to use command honestly, I like the random chance that I get a bad loadout
marble oyster
I mean, achievements are still enabled so.
calm bay
It actually made me stay with the game because I didn’t like how it was without it
wintry chasm
Ohonesstly
marble oyster
I think as long as you’re enjoying the game and having fun, that’s all that matters
floral violet
Don't get me wrong mate command is a great addition for people who prefer it
runic finch
seems like it'd feel less like you're playing in a shared game session together with other people and more like you're just playing isolated games where you can see each other, too.
floral violet
I just don't use it personally
calm bay
Yep that’s how I see it moth
wintry chasm
if someone uses command arty - i stack wisps and corwbars
calm bay
Well here’s the thing. Without item sharing I feel like the game gets VERY competitive. Or it’s probably because me and all of my friends are loot goblins 🤣.
wintry chasm
or wire + hellfire
floral violet
seems like it'd feel less like you're playing in a shared game sesion together with other people and more like you're just playing isolated games where you can see each other, too.
@runic finch Kind of, but the times when I've played item share with buddies we've done it so we could see how insane we could get in length of runs. like hundreds of minutes of just goofing off
runic finch
@calm bay probably the latter lmao
marble oyster
Hm. Yes
I have games where i like, almost cry because people are giving me free items imo
runic finch
it definitely is tempting to just nab everything
calm bay
I still stand firm about making it an artifact
runic finch
but you'll make it farther if you play as a team and negotiate who should get what
marble oyster
Yeah, i died in void fields, so the next stage they let me grab every white and green
floral violet
that is a good team
marble oyster
Well, it’s like, at a certain point, if one person is starting to fail and dies, the team will slowly die
calm bay
But what kind of drawback could you give the item sharing artifact ?
Side note: I think I’m the biggest loot goblin of the group. I think it has to deal with me carrying everyone else. 🤔 Probably just a dick though
marble oyster
And the one merc with two shaped glass will get sniped out of osp
wintry chasm
@runic finch will be eclipse mode in multiplayer? For those, who wants some hardcore
Like suffer with your friends
calm bay
I suffer with my friends enough on monsoon 😓
floral violet
the trick to playing with friends in monsoon is figuring out what items best benefit each character and trying to work around that
for example if you have a loader player you should be giving them the first Runald's and Kjaro's
especially now with the recent change
since their gauntlet strikes are guaranteed to proc the effect of both bands on cooldown it is going to be the most reliable way to make sure that DPS is being maximized in every fight
Arguably also they should have a shot at the first backup magazine but that can be a tricky one since backup magazine is also great for huntress and a few others
and loader can in theory survive without one but they are just less mobile
similarly if you are taking fungus and not playing engineer you are actively trolling not only your engineer and your team but yourself
calm bay
I’ve never thought about the bands before 🤔
floral violet
The recent change to them makes them proc on a single instance of high damage, this makes them terrible for commando or huntress (with the exception of ballista) or multi in most situations
but makes them amazing for loader
because charged gauntlet and thunder gauntlet cause a high damage single instance of damage
arguably also glaive can proc them on huntress I think, but I'd take a loader slapping harder over a huntress glaive which relies on crowds of enemies
and not just because I main loader, I used to main huntress
dull ingot
When are they fixing already started multiplayer games showing?
red echo
missed some combos but you seem like you have a decent handle on his kit
one thing that is imo really clutch with merc is to animation cancel your 3m1 with shift then immediately cancel out of shift with m2 so you don't spend any time away from the boss not doing damage
if you time it right you can do it with every charge of shift because shift will pop exposed and take m2 off cd
hearty violet
oh wow thats a good way to do it
somber yarrow
getting all the logs and all the achievements again
floral violet
When are they fixing already started multiplayer games showing?
@dull ingot Ghor mentioned this earlier, it was set up that way so that modded games that have mid run joining could be joined
red echo
@hearty violet love seeing more people running sw tho 👌
floral violet
I'm still not convinced which is better but mathematically SW is stronger if you are also landing the other skills
at the cost of a few iframes
red echo
SW is on paper better as long as you can survive without iframes, it's basically the higher skill cap option
floral violet
well it's risk vs reward
hearty violet
the fun option 😄
floral violet
like taking shaped glass as loader
higher risk of being killed during a gauntlet strike
but higher damage means you kill whatever you touch most of the time
red echo
interestingly enough the thing with SW is you kinda end up being more survivable
because you never get screwed by evis dropping you somewhere unexpected with end lag frames
floral violet
is that because you aren't in the enemies faces as much?
red echo
and more iframes from shift resets in the late game
it's more that you have the option of moving around to dodge
evis locks you in place for 1.3s and has 0.1s of end lag where you can't input anything
and often evis will decide to yeet you to some random enemy that you didn't actually want to land on
floral violet
yeah but isn't the goal of evis to get to the point that the cooldown is shorter than the duration so you literally are only vulnerable for that 0.1 seconds?
and then you just spam R
hearty violet
you get a bit of iframes after evis
red echo
i mean if you're playing command and stacking purity/brainstalks i guess
floral violet
fair enough, I don't play command so I can relate to that
red echo
i would argue the main appeal of evis is it has longer iframes than shift so it's easier to use to dodge big hits
i.e vagrant explosions or w/e
floral violet
true
red echo
but if you're good you can just dodge them with shift iframes and have more damage from sw
floral violet
dodging vagrant explosions with dash is a pain
red echo
i can do it pretty consistently
floral violet
but you play a lot of merc
hearty violet
i died like that so many times, even while in shift animation
floral violet
newer merc players can't as easily
red echo
yeah I play entirely too much merc
red echo
@hearty violet so you know how at the start of the shift animation mercenary disappears for like 0.5s? that's the iframes
dull ingot
if you have dash you can just dash behind something
floral violet
probably part of why I like Captain so much
dull ingot
it's not like you'll miss the 2 seconds it takes to come back
hearty violet
merc is suppose to be high skill cap and reward skill. So SW should do more dmg
red echo
and it does, by a significant margin
hearty violet
and new players use evis 🙂
red echo
as it should be
floral violet
I'd still argue they suit different playstyles
red echo
my opinion on merc's specials is basically evis is for learning the character, SW is for when you're ready to really tryhard
they are absolutely different playstyles, SW demands that you play more thoughtfully and with care
floral violet
Honestly they are both good regardless of which is better, it isn't like one of them is Frag Grenade and the other is Suppression
hearty violet
😄
floral violet
or Arrow Rain and Ballista.
hearty violet
They did good by not making the gap big
floral violet
or just being Mul-T....
red echo
they are both solid and you can definitely clear monsoon with evis, but SW is much stronger in the right hands
also I probably wouldn't fuck around with evis in e8
too little margin for error to lean on iframes that hard
floral violet
lol I am depressed for REX mains because of E8
"hey you know that thing your character is entirely centered around? Yeah, no more of that."
floral violet
🤮
I'm actually surprised there isn't a meme image that I've seen that is just a huge 8 with REX in the background crying or something
red echo
lmao
dull ingot
I just picked up visions of heresy on accident as engineer, feels like its better than my primary
floral violet
it is
dull ingot
yer it is
floral violet
but if you are running stationary you are fucking your turrets
red echo
I accidentally grabbed visions on merc in eclipse last night because a mob was on the pod and it looked like a glowing meteorite
dull ingot
oof
red echo
We shall never speak of this moment again
floral violet
big oof
dull ingot
I have my turrets hold down an area and farm while I pick shit up
floral violet
Visions is good for mobile turrets though
dull ingot
I just mine around them
floral violet
it's lower DPS than standard though isn't it for stationary turrets?
long fern
the reload sucks tho
floral violet
yeah that is part of why it is great for the mobile ones, they wander around blasting shit and never miss
red echo
it depends re: lower dps
long fern
yeee
red echo
single visions is less DPS, get a few of them and suddenly they shred
long fern
I hoped so much that they would add a new m1 for engie in 1.0
floral violet
do they increase explosion damage per stack or just magazine size?
Honestly Engi is in a good place @long fern
harpoons are amazing
red echo
just mag size
red echo
it's the reload period that gets you, you want enough that they can just melt the whole screen in one burst
floral violet
whenever I see someone running harpoons I immediately think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Y2rkilblE
long fern
like the fact that they dont auto fire when you get all targets locked
dull ingot
I'm about to do void challenge as engy, should be pretty easy with my gear loadout. I've got three call ins for drone strikes and excellent range turret damage
red echo
harpoons do feel a little clunky
long fern
also shield is so god damn op
floral violet
shield is only OP till you get swarmed by enemies on monsoon
because enemies can just walk through it
long fern
you will get swarmed with normal turrets if you dont have N'kuharas opionion + shrooms combo anyway
its inevitable
floral violet
yeah which is why harpoons are better, they encourage you to be more mobile
rather than encouraging standing still which is bad
long fern
rather than encouraging standing still which is bad
without the combo, yes
with the combo you become god
dull ingot
Holy shit, visions of Heresy on Engy turrets is straight OP
Shredding shit left and right
long fern
yeah which is why harpoons are better, they encourage you to be more mobile
but I did want to ask some tips for harpoons and mobile turrets
floral violet
you become a god until one burning imp overlord teleports directly ontop of your turrets while they are busy handling other stuff and splats you standing there thinking you are invincible
long fern
you become a god until one burning imp overlord teleports directly ontop of your turrets while they are busy handling other stuff and splats you standing there thinking you are invincible
laughs in shroom printer
floral violet
laughing in less than 1% chance?
what are the odds that you have the hundred white items that you need in shroomes and find a shroom printer?
long fern
yesterday there was a guy here that got N'kuharas opinion and shrooms from a shrine on stage 1, dont tell me about chance
prisma coral
am I fuckin crazy or is there a bridge missing here
long fern
also you dont need a 100 shrooms
red echo
one of my runs yesterday my very first chest in stage 1 was hardlight afterburner
pog moment
long fern
one of my runs yesterday my very first chest in stage 1 was hardlight afterburner
nice
am I fuckin crazy or is there a bridge missing here
level variation
long fern
anyway, the mobile turrets get stuck everywhere and the harpoons force you to stop and aim around with bad huntress lock on
got any tips for playing mobile engie?
and yeah N'kuharas is a bit OP honestly
nah its pretty shit without specific items in my experience
floral violet
I mean one shroom on engi with it makes it basically a nonstop dagger
long fern
yes
but on any other character its shit
like actual garbage
I would rather have wake of vultures then N'kuharas opinion on Rex, Merc or Acrid
(among others)
prisma coral
how the fuck did I just get shredded by two clay templars
did their damage get buffed?
long fern
how the fuck did I just get shredded by two clay templars
they do that and always did that
prisma coral
I have never died to regular templars this quickly
long fern
get barber wire and wreck them
eager shard
This game is amazing but it makes me so mad sometimes
Was at 75% and got oneshot by a solo basic enemy on the final stage
long fern
"final stage"?
eager shard
The one with the final boss
long fern
oh yeah
eager shard
not really final stage but yknow
distant willow
Hey guys, so basically for fun I just started a run and now my goal is to try to reach stage 100, I ended up reaching the game limits, like negative money, negative boss hp, and also, since a while , no monsters are spawning, or really rarely sometimes scavengers, you can see here the hp
long fern
not really final stage but yknow
well, aren't the enemies there like kinda powerful?
eager shard
and i was on normal difficulty too :|
zinc kernel
ranged merc when
eager shard
They are but it did like 700 damage off one shot
long fern
huh, what was your time?
hybrid sable
@distant willow Be careful with Alloy Worship Units in levels later than that. Eventually, the actual stored HP value underflows, and the game will crash on the spot trying to spawn him
eager shard
I mean there was a lot of shit going on and i didnt have a ton of health
distant willow
Oh alright, i'll try to take care then, but the problem is my stacked will o', they just break everything in the map
eager shard
It definitely wasn't a bug but the oneshot is still annoying
long fern
It definitely wasn't a bug but the oneshot is still annoying
well, its the "final stage" soooo
eager shard
I love this game but spending like 30 minutes of a fantastic run to instantly die is so annoying
yeah
faint vector
I have decided , I am a man of nail gun and rebar.
floral violet
I have never died to regular templars this quickly
@prisma coral the difficulty of monsoon was increased, it could be that things are stronger than you are used to at the given time you are at
prisma coral
I know this
It's just that getting shredded like that has NEVER happened in the 300 hours I've played this game
floral violet
🤷
floral violet
yup
long fern
get barber wire and laugh at them
prisma coral
I had barbed wire
long fern
hmm
prisma coral
Two of them killed me in less than a second, on stage 7
long fern
get tanky then
prisma coral
from a range I'd usually laugh at them at
tired axle
get more barbed wire
prisma coral
tired axle
as engi?
dull ingot
yea
long fern
like the resonance disc? i don't think they use it
they do and they do
tired axle
yes
dull ingot
Holy shit, thats a shit ton of DPS XD along with the Blue Primary change
long fern
disk is pretty op with them but I still have no idea how disk works
long fern
nice
floral violet
get more barbed wire
@tired axle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNy_MLr8mXA
long fern
I just found out how to play artificer and have actual fun for once
I just turned on glass artifact
floral violet
you just stand there in the back screaming more?
I want to run 4 engis, 3 with harpoons and 1 with shield
steel ibex
Okay got a question for people who play Loader! Charged Gauntlet or Thunder Gauntlet? I'm wondering because I barely play her.
obtuse helm
friend & I are trying to play the game together, but for some reason while we have identical modlist, my game version seems to be 1.0.0.6, not 1.0.0.6-MOD, what's up with that?
we're using bepinex, r2api, empty chests be gone, scanner improvement mod, and item stats mod
long fern
holy shit if you get behemoth you flamethrower fucking explodes
floral violet
Okay got a question for people who play Loader! Charged Gauntlet or Thunder Gauntlet? I'm wondering because I barely play her.
@steel ibex This is personal preference a bit, mathematically thunder gauntlet is actually better because charged can only do 4000% to things in a line at maximum movement speed (aka slingshot at "350 mph" or whatever it is) but Thunder Gauntlet doesn't pass through enemies and instead knocks back some enemies doing 2000% to the enemy hit and 1000% to all enemies in a cone for a good distance, but the knockback sometimes sends the hit enemy into the cone causing them to also take the additional 1000% damage for a total of 3000% so the damage is comparable per hit, but the kicker is that with a single afterburner you can throw 3 thunder gauntlets in the time it takes to fully charge a charged gauntlet for the 2700% charged damage and you also have to swing to 350 mph to hit that 4000%
steel ibex
@floral violet Thank you
red echo
damn this guy is as big a loader nerd as I am a merc nerd
floral violet
overall they are both good, thunder is arguably better with a single red item
but it also comes down to playstyle
if you want the big slaps with huge numbers go charged
if you want to slap slightly lighter but more and just slapfest enemies to death go thunder
red echo
I have to say thunder gauntlet loader with 4x purity is maybe the most fun I've had in a run
The cd is instant and you can literally just fly
red echo
I barely had other items and it did not matter because every 0.5s I was punching
eternal parrot
I prefer thunder gauntlet because im trash and need help clearing wisps as loader
floral violet
I prefer it and I'm not trash and have no trouble getting rid of wisps
long fern
I used thunder when unlocking the other loader stuff because of the faster charge
red echo
I too prefer it and am also pretty not trash (tho loader is definitely not my main pick)
floral violet
it is just objectively better overall damage with a couple items
long fern
I dont know, I did go pretty nyoooom with thunder
red echo
oh you can still nyooooom with thunder, you just nyoooom a little faster with charged
loader is just in general fast af
floral violet
My favorite way of describing what loader becomes with the right items is an intercontinental ballistic missile flying across the map to splat something
red echo
accurate
frosty terrace
it's fun to one shot bosses with the gauntlet
dull ingot
So on the final stage, can I just skip the enemies and run straight to Mithrix
red echo
yes
floral violet
Honestly I considered making a mod to replace the charge sound for gauntlet with a falcon punch sound effect
dull ingot
Or will they follow me
floral violet
nothing interupts your fight with Mithrix except Mithrix
red echo
in fact it is objectively better to just run past them because killing them takes time and time means mithrix scaling more
dull ingot
What about when they show up while you’re fighting him
red echo
they can't, there's an invisible wall
floral violet
that is Mithrix making more
frosty terrace
have to kill em when mithrix spawns
floral violet
Mithrix is interupting your fight with Mithrix.
red echo
or yeah if you mean phase 2 that's just a separate thing
dull ingot
Yeah I mean phase 2
red echo
yeah you gotta yeet those
dull ingot
Here we go.
I'm currently using drone call in for Engy I'm on Phase 5 I'm considering looping for more stuff, whats' the best Equipment for engy? I have access to like 3 kiosks, I think I have like 80% of everything available
floral violet
@steel ibex this is a pretty good example of some of the items that benefit Loader also if you are curious what to get over other things, obviously not everything here is great because I don't play with command artifact but a bunch of these are great like shaped glass and hardlight afterburner for example
dull ingot
Forgive me Please a good equipment?
floral violet
I had capacitor that run but I like elephant a lot
Also blast shower is great if you can get the infinite blast shower thing going
since you can remove the cooldown debuff for bands
serene stream
@dull ingot if you have some good onkill then yes, but to me the will-o-whisp is most worth it. So unless you have several stacks of them I would prefer the drones, and especially the rockets
dull ingot
Been using the drone call in for the extra targets for the enemy to attack
floral violet
disposable rockets is comparable to capacitor for damage just it is over time rather than one big hit
floral violet
I've yet to get a perma blast shower thing going sadly because either I don't find one or I don't find the items needed
serene stream
Honestly my item priority for just about every character is: Capacitor > rockets > preon > everything else (in most situations)
floral violet
I had 2 shaped glass and 4 gestures in that game though so if I'd found a blast shower it woulda been nuts
frosty terrace
drowned, fuel cells and blast shower is ok. With soulbound catalyst it becomes godly
floral violet
Honestly my item priority for just about every character is: Capacitor > rockets > preon > everything else (in most situations)
@serene stream This is not correct
Tonic Combo is better than all of those on some characters, blast shower combo is better than all of those on loader
frosty terrace
and then trigger bands with missiles, you need 2 or ceremonial daggers, I believe you need 2 of those as well
anything that can hit for 400% damage often
serene stream
"In most situations"
Tonic + blast shower combos require specific items. Not to mention tonic even in the best situations will have a few moments upon spawning where you will get debuffed and you can be shot in that situation
left maple
loader queen
serene stream
Also I don't understand why blast shower for loader?
left maple
bc it resets proc cooldowns
dull ingot
The only way to loop is through the archive right? I've only looped once before and died. Is it worth it to get more loot or by doing so am I making the last boss fight even harder?
left maple
and loader procs banda ez
frosty terrace
you usually need to get close to enemies, so you can get frozen or malachite debuff. Blast rain saves you from those
left maple
bands*
frosty terrace
and yeah, gauntlet triggers bands, but if you want a chain reaction, get missiles or daggers
versed epoch
Did they remove one-shot protection?
left maple
you can interact with the spires on the moon teleporter to loop aswell
steady arch
wait blast shower reset band cooldown 👀
left maple
yes
frosty terrace
osp is still there, but some enemies go through that. Like void reaver explosion apparently
versed epoch
I just did a 40 minute run and Mithrix 1-shot me
steady arch
is that why perma blast shower is a thing?
left maple
yes
floral violet
Also I don't understand why blast shower for loader?
@serene stream Runald and Kjaro bands apply a debuff that fades over time as a cooldown, blast shower removes it
serene stream
Huh did not know that.... Ok that absolutely makes the blast shower go up in my opinion.
frosty terrace
shaped glass removes osp
versed epoch
I took him down to 10% HP with one punch
left maple
should have punxhed harder lol
floral violet
Shaped Glass removes your OSP yes
versed epoch
ffs
I don't want to try a fourth time
I also had 7 disposable rocket launchers
Not ATGs
Rocket launchers
floral violet
are you trying to do Mithrix on Monsoon as loader?
floral violet
ah, yeah all artifacts is obnoxious
floral violet
oh just command?
frosty terrace
should be easy enough
floral violet
get 1 crowbar and then focus crystals over a ton of crowbars.
frosty terrace
been there
floral violet
yeah that'll happen
versed epoch
It wasn't even a bad attack
frosty terrace
I've done some loader monsoon runs without artifacts or looping, mithrix is a real piece of work
versed epoch
I was at full HP without any glass
And died in one shot thanks to on hit effects
Just one crystal bullet
serene stream
Yep that's how I lost my monssoon run... orb of death came from behind at 50% after he gave me back such amazing items such as "will-o-wisp, focused convergence, and a jade buckler..." While he had my 9 glasses, 3 harvesters scythes, and 3 feathers...
floral violet
then you didn't get one shot you got hit with something that took you to below 90% and killed
it only protects you from a single source of damage
floral violet
but yeah if you are running command you should have 1 crowbar and a ton of focus crystals over just a ton of crowbars
versed epoch
I'm not saying one shot protection would work
dull ingot
Is Looping a bad idea? or should you do it if you just want to refine your build a bit. I don't want my looping to make the last encounter way more difficult
versed epoch
I'm saying it's bs
frosty terrace
this is with some artifacts on, but you can see blast shower bands doing some work on 80 min monsoon mithrix
floral violet
I think the current strategies are blitz Mithrix or loop till you are so snowball nonsense that nothing can stop you
I prefer blitz Mithrix personally
versed epoch
Also doesn't the focus crystal only do bonus damage to other enemies
floral violet
Focus Crystal increases damage by 15% per crystal when an enemy is within 13m of you
any enemy in 13 meters
that includes most of your thunder gauntlet cone
if not all of it
versed epoch
OOOOOHHHHH
faint vector
this boy got ghost mithrix
versed epoch
It damages enemies around you
floral violet
well no focus crystal doesn't do damage
versed epoch
I thought it damaged enemies around the target
floral violet
it increases the damage you do
frosty terrace
yeah, if you have happy mask, you can get ghost mithrix to insult you as you escape
versed epoch
That's what I meant
floral violet
but yes you are sacrificing a little single target damage for enemies above 90% to do 15% increased damage to all enemies you are hitting as loader
because Crowbar only works on enemies above 90% HP
frosty terrace
but crowbar works at any distance, boosting daggers and missiles you might be creating. Focus crystal wont help those homing daggers unless they hit a target you are standing near
just stuff to consider, where your damage is coming from etc
floral violet
we are talking about as loader though
almost all of your damage as loader is going to be from gauntlet strikes
which are melee range
yes some of your procs will do damage but crowbar only helps if you haven't hit that enemy yet which isn't going to be as often as you have if they are alive
real osprey
All I've been listening to for the past week is con lentitud poderosa, such a good track
frosty terrace
agreed
radiant widget
I saw a cleansing pool for the very first time today, but didn't have a lunar item and there were no lunar pods on the stage. SMH...
frosty terrace
same dude, seen a few pools, but I never had lunar items
real osprey
My cleansing pools never show up when I need them the most lol
frosty terrace
and I'm not sure if I would want to give my lunar items if I had some when I saw that pool. Usually I need that lunar
radiant widget
I'm just trying to fill my item log, but any time I do runs to actually exploit cleansing pools or even just playing without command they never show up.
real osprey
I usually need them when I don't recognize the lunar item (I haven't familarized myself with them yet) and I'll pick them up and go "oh whoops lol you gotta go" but can never find them
versed epoch
So should I pick up just one shaped glass?
radiant widget
The only ones I'm not familiar with are the new ones, but the new ones also at least don't seem to be too bad on the downside front. At least for Gouge and Rachis.
Pretty sure I'm not nearly thirsty enough for alien head to want Purity unless it was for another lunar item challenge in a future update or something.
real osprey
I'm not good enough to live long enough to make use of any lunar items on monsoon so I don't get a chance to know them anyway lol
radiant widget
Fair... part of me is waiting though for a sequel to Moon Worshipper where they just want you to play a run with 10 lunar items or something.
floral violet
So should I pick up just one shaped glass?
@versed epoch on who specifically?
versed epoch
Loader
floral violet
that depends
gritty bluff
best red for loader?
floral violet
Shaped glass removes OSP now, so it is a choice of whether you are willing to risk being oneshot by a stray attack while you are in that window of approaching and leaving the area around enemies for gauntlet strikes
best red for loader?
@gritty bluff Hardlight Afterburner
gritty bluff
thanks
jade shuttle
Idk shattering justice is SPICY on loader
floral violet
Shattered builds up over numerous attacks
floral violet
the small benefit from a single strike isn't going to out perform two extra gauntlet strikes without a cooldown
that being said if you aren't using thunder gauntlet hardlight is less useful
and I'd take Alien Head over it
or get a Purity
dull ingot
if you have 5 green recycled items... Will the cauldron take those over other items?
jade shuttle
Yep
radiant widget
I like getting meat hook on melee characters. Especially if I manage tesla coil or frost relic on them. Though I dunno how good that is, since meat hook is only a 20% chance on hit.
floral violet
Loader isn't melee
frosty terrace
if you have one green scrap, you get the red soup item for that alone
floral violet
Loader is a hit and run ranged character
frosty terrace
you need to have at least 5 green items though, so 5 greens and 1 green scrap = red item for just that scrap
floral violet
you literally fly in at max speed slam something in the face and swing away till you can repeat it
radiant widget
Loader attacks by making close physical combat even if they're extremely mobile. 👀
floral violet
you need to have at least 5 green items though, so 5 greens and 1 green scrap = red item for just that scrap
@frosty terrace
that is a bug
radiant widget
Long range of execution or not her damage is benefitting from focus crystal and that's my qualifier on that
floral violet
Loader attacks by making close physical combat even if they're extremely mobile. 👀
@radiant widget don't think of it as her being melee, think of it more as Loader turns herself into a huge bullet and flies through the enemies
radiant widget
I'm just saying mechanically I constitute being a bullet as melee
floral violet
technically yes, but loader benefits less from meat hook than lets say a merc will
since that one hit and gone means enemies can spread out again
radiant widget
That's fair
frosty terrace
if a bullet is melee, is commando a melee character too? 🤔
radiant widget
Only his bullets are. :)
floral violet
if only his bullets were alive to tell him how much grenade sucks
frosty terrace
imagine if commando fired tiny loaders out of his guns
floral violet
he would be the strongest character in the game
I'm actually kinda partial to snowflake on loader also
because it damages enemies as you are leaving the area after a kill
it isn't amazing but it's kinda nice, also it has the benefit of if you get stuck helping you avoid getting absolutely face rolled
frosty terrace
razorwire is also amazing for loader
radiant widget
Meat hook might be one thing, but frost relic increases the effective area around you and even if you're just flying by it's pretty nice. I'm a fan ™
frosty terrace
I feel like people don't talk too much about it, they should. Razorwire is lovely
floral violet
I'd agree except I run glass loader so razorwire doesn't help me much :/
since glass removes OSP
frosty terrace
how would glass affect razorwire?
radiant widget
Admittedly I don't prioritize razorwire because it feels not necessarily optimal on my two most played survivors. But I do like it.
frosty terrace
other than adding damage
floral violet
Not having OSP means I can be one shot
which razorwire is meaningless if I get one shot
frosty terrace
mithrix doesn't use razorwire
floral violet
I'm not talking about mithrix
I'm talking about in late monsoon runs when everything has the potential to just kill you
if I had OSP still I could take a hit and razorwire would reflect that damage
because I run shaped glass I don't have OSP
so if I get hit I just die
frosty terrace
alright
floral violet
higher risk, higher reward
but yes if you aren't running something that costs you the OSP then razorwire is pretty solid
I'm still curious how the razorwire tincture thing works with Rex honestly
pine iris
razorwire+tincture+Rex= 
shadow thistle
I feel like Huntress struggles against him
sharp zenith
Kinda hoping for a small pass on the final stage, I want the mini teleporter events from the first game
sage tangle
Hey! Has anyone had any luck beating the game on Monsoon with Mercenary? I'm hitting hour 30ish of just playing mercenary, but the final boss is really giving me a rough time! I wasn't certain if anyone had any tips or anything like that, or if I just need to keep grinding away at it!
red echo
yeah I've done it a few times, which phase are you having trouble with?
sage tangle
The first three phases are rough in general, but for the most part I end up dying because I end up getting hasty and burning CDs on damage as opposed to saving it for the big swing. I've only made it to the final phase(?) || The "haha took your stuff phase" || a couple of times, but each time it's been pretty excruciating. I had one run in which my items were a bit more favorable for that phase, and I feel like that was my best shot, but I still just ended up going down. So, I suppose for now my question is how much consideration should I be putting into building to make sure I don't just die to the last phase.
red echo
I don't honestly think about it at all, but I also play the fight really carefully. My mindset going into the arena as Mercenary on Monsoon is basically "okay I'm playing dark souls for a few minutes now."
His moveset is pretty limited and he has a lot of windows where you can get free damage, but a lot of the time you need to keep your distance to avoid the hammer smacks
As Merc it largely boils down to rotating your CDs efficiently while keeping distance and dodging his big hits on every phase. Last phase is honestly easiest imo because he slows down, only has like 2 moves and is super easy to dodge
also he's easier with slicing winds imo, but slicing winds > evis in general after 1.0
sage tangle
It's also probably worth noting that I get to the final stage around 30 minutes, and usually start the fight around 35 because it takes quite a while to trek across the stage.
Mmmmm... I don't have slicing winds yet. I was considering grinding that out as a bit of a break since it's been kind of rough! Still, it's good to know that for the most part I've had the right idea at least, and I'm just cracking under the pressure!
sage tangle
Makes sense! I've been slowing down on stage 4+5 considerably to scour for items, but I've been considering for a while now how that might just be pretty detrimental since I would usually only pick up a small handful more items for the extra time spent!
shadow thistle
So it’s better to rush to Mithrix?
red echo
probably best to not straight up speedrun but i think if you're going for the stage 6 fight it helps to pace pretty quickly, try to get to him by like 20-25?
can always try your luck looping and going for the one shot, too
shadow thistle
Speaking of pacing.. any good way to pace yourself? I have a problem with it
sage tangle
Is it worth looping? I just figured that would make the last phase horrendous.
red echo
comes down to rng, if you get a god run you can just one shot every phase