gd2-nullified

[brisk sleet]

I often spend about 4-5 minutes per stage

[blissful quiver]

I tend to dick around sometimes

[dry cargo]

Also, they made everything harder, the time scaling is i believe 10% faster on all modes

The later you show up to somewhere like stage 4 the more likely you will run into alot of osp moments

[brisk sleet]

I can kinda feel even on norm and now shaped glass was also nerf with one shot protection gone with it

[blissful quiver]

Yeah I’ve learned

[brisk sleet]

and I actually like it that way

[dry cargo]

Its more money faster!

[blissful quiver]

Honestly I probably don’t use lunar items as much as I should

But I never get anything good anyway

[dry cargo]

I might enjoy some of them more if i used command to make a specific build

[blissful quiver]

Whenever I go to newts place it’s almost always a bunch of Effigies of Grief

[shy geode]

so i just figured out that effigy of grief keeps a pressure plate down lol

[blissful quiver]

Just use Engineer

[dry cargo]

Rly???????

I still think captains beacons should press it, just makes sense to me

And most of the time, im not in the mood to play tower defense

Id rather push a pot

[blissful quiver]

Also since we’re on the topic of Monsoon, which is better to go for for Mastery, Mythrix or Celestial Portal

[languid river]

portal for sure if ur just trying to get it easily

[blissful quiver]

Yeah thought so

[dry cargo]

For me it kinda depends on how youre built on stage 5

[languid river]

i mean, "easily," but yeah mythrix is really hard on monsoon

[blissful quiver]

I think I tried it with Acrid a few times but they didn’t go well I guess

[dry cargo]

I made the decision to kill mithrix with captain today to get the skin and it worked out fine because i was fast and had decent single target damage

[languid river]

actually for acrid mastery you might be able to do mythrix. poison kinda melts him

[dry cargo]

My proc chain capabilities were lacking so i doubted surviving stage 8

[blissful quiver]

Also this is something I want to ask, does anyone have any tips for the Swing By achievement

I thought I saw someone say it was easy but

It’s not

[low shell]

I’ll

Mgmskshzjzjuikzzososoodkddd

[languid river]

you can do it on drizzle. just rush portal and only get items close to portal

[safe vapor]

and skip stage 5

[languid river]

teleporter i mean

[low shell]

I have question

[dry cargo]

I did it on drizzle pre artifacts, just run every teleporter and only buy whats immediately around the teleporter using money from the teleporter

[blissful quiver]

I had to good runs for it today but they both died at Stage 5

Yeah that’s what I’m doing

[safe vapor]

beeline to tele and skip stage 5

[blissful quiver]

Except I’m doing it on rainstorm because I feel like drizzle is cheating

[dry cargo]

You could take command to make it easier

[safe vapor]

youll get it

[low shell]

I have a question

[blissful quiver]

And don’t have command yet

Both my good runs died to Hordes of many too

[languid river]

i think its really hard to get swing by on anything other than drizzle but i commend the commitment

[low shell]

Ok nvm

[dry cargo]

Now command is what reallly feels like cheesing to me lol

[low shell]

:/

[dry cargo]

I only unlock the skins vanilla for personal reasons

[blissful quiver]

Why do elite Mini Mushes Parents have so much health it’s not fair

[low shell]

😐

Ok bye

[queen bough]

Command/lens makers/harvesters/whatever fits your character

[safe vapor]

Ok bye
@low shell ?

[blissful quiver]

I think Drizzle is cheating and command is fine but ok

Idk

I mean I used Artifact of Glass to cheese multiple achievements so I’m already shamelessly using artifacts

[languid river]

yeah i disagree. command feels like i put in a cheat code lol

[blissful quiver]

Still I used Glass to get multiple hard damage based achievements

[safe vapor]

command seems fine when you dont know the ins and outs of everything, once you do its godmode

[blissful quiver]

Mostly I wanted spider mines

But then I also got nano spear and flurry

[safe vapor]

it can be as hard or easy as you want it to be

between difficulty and artifacts

[blissful quiver]

Yeah I’m not really much of an extremist

[safe vapor]

i always felt the mastery unlocks should be gated tho, i guess thats my one elitist take lol

[blissful quiver]

I just want to unlock the stuff and then I’ll play the hard difficulties

[safe vapor]

sound logic

i tell everyone who is new to just play on easy and unlock stuff

otherwise its overwhelming

[blissful quiver]

I usually just play on Rainstorm for everything since it’s the “normal mode”

[safe vapor]

get all the skills and items at your disposal then start challenging yourself more

[blissful quiver]

I think I’m getting better though

Now when I play Monsoon I don’t die instantly

[languid river]

speaking of unlocks, is there a good trick for getting bushwhacked on rex? its hard to stay below 50% when all my attacks heal lol

[blissful quiver]

^

[languid river]

does shaped glass work for it?

[blissful quiver]

I gave up on that one

[safe vapor]

not sure on that one, i just did it by spamming his m2

[blissful quiver]

I’m kinda just bad with REX in general

[languid river]

i'm just getting into playing him and i think he's a new favorite

[safe vapor]

should be able to stay under 50% just with his abilities but maybe glass works idk

yeah rex is fun

[blissful quiver]

He is fun but I’m bad

[safe vapor]

his alternate push is really good

that challenge vexed me for awhile

[blissful quiver]

The only characters I’m bad with are Commando and REX

[languid river]

i almost unlocked that eariler, had the perfect teleporter spawn for it, but i died to a batch of elites right before i got it 😔

[safe vapor]

oh damn

[blissful quiver]

Like a horde of many

Those suck

[safe vapor]

its just random, will you get aquaduct? will you get a dunestrider?

and if you get one late in a run you might have so much passive damage you kill the thing before you can push it lol

[languid river]

even if you get dunestrider the teleporter could be nowhere near a pit

[blissful quiver]

That’s how it was for me with the Crab achievement

[safe vapor]

you know you can also use your R to draw it closer to hole too right?

[blissful quiver]

I swear like 9 times out of ten when I had the crabs and a huge pit I always had unstable Tesla coil

[safe vapor]

and yea thats true

[blissful quiver]

Like everytime

[dry cargo]

Just gotta take advantage of rexs unreal heals. With his alternate shift, you have so much healing options

[safe vapor]

one day i just decided to grind it on drizzle so i hit the newt alter on stage 1 and rushed the teleporter and chose aquaduct over and over til it gave me one

[blissful quiver]

If only I had his alternate shift

[dry cargo]

The R doesnt belong on the boss, it belongs on the hoard following you as you kite the boss

[languid river]

ooo thats good advice actually

[dry cargo]

Even without the alternate shift (which will full heal you instantly if you hit more than 2 enemies), proper R placement allows a massive dps volley with M2 spamming

[blissful quiver]

Yeah I know about that

[languid river]

i definitely tunnel vision all my cooldowns on the boss every teleporter event

[blissful quiver]

I just tend to do something dumb and die

[dry cargo]

Understandable

[blissful quiver]

I haven’t played REX in a while though so maybe I should try again

[dry cargo]

Thats why captain has been so fun for me

His microbots protect me from brass contraptions and mushrooms, which normally are what kill me when my attention lapses past the first loop

[blissful quiver]

Yeah those are good

[dry cargo]

It is beyond satisfying to watch a brass boi shoot me three times and have all three balls dissapear

[safe vapor]

the microbot is insanely good, i cant believe how much stuff it blocks

it will even take stuff off the ground thats already landed

[blissful quiver]

I’ve seen it get rid of the electric exploding things from overloading elites

[safe vapor]

a mushroom pool nearby? zap.

[dry cargo]

Its deleted mithrix shockwaves

[safe vapor]

oh yeah that too haha

amazing

[dry cargo]

Bettle guard rocks

[blissful quiver]

I feel like it also increases the survivability of your drones

[languid river]

captains m2 seems kind of weak, is that just me?

[safe vapor]

bigtime

[dry cargo]

It deletes void reaver minibubbles

Its not just you, it is fairly weak

[blissful quiver]

M2 is kinda just to stun them and hit them with an air strike

[safe vapor]

not to be contrary but i honestly think its great, can freeze enemies for your orbitals and interrupt attacks

[blissful quiver]

Or to stop an attack

[dry cargo]

The m2 can help you micromanage fights by freezing an elder lemurian or a mushroom and such, but i mainly use it to reset the attack animation on m1 or land an easy orbital strike

[safe vapor]

the rest of his kit has so much dmg as it is its just a simple utility that synergizes well with it

[languid river]

i just play a lot of mul-t which is a way superior m2 stun, so it feels like a strict downgrade

but yeah that makes sense

[dry cargo]

I like to freeze a beetle then drop a hack beacon on its headp

[blissful quiver]

Why

[dry cargo]

To flex

Supply beacons deal damage when they hit ground

A couple thousand percent i think

[blissful quiver]

Yeah but you can use that for anything else

[dry cargo]

To f l e x

[blissful quiver]

At the very least you could use a heal beacon so you get something from it

Even though you should probably save it

[dry cargo]

I mean, i would still be in range of something to hack

I only run double hacks because its so satisfying for the tempo of my runs

[blissful quiver]

Also about that hacking beacon

[dry cargo]

And i love finding tc280s and conscripting them

[blissful quiver]

I learned it’s a bad idea to use it on the multi terminals

[dry cargo]

Why

[blissful quiver]

You don’t really get to chose

[dry cargo]

It just unlocks the nearest third of the terminal

You just have to put it on the side of the item you want

[blissful quiver]

I wish I knew that because I got a red heccing whip

[dry cargo]

Now, that is a problem when youre trying to hack multiple shops or items at once, then you are normally stuck with whichever part is closest to the other thing youre hacking

I ran into that problem with two trishops next to eachother, free is free tho

[blissful quiver]

I guess

Also it probably doesn’t work with the lunar buds does it

It probably doesn’t but I just had the thought

I didn’t want to test it out though because it don’t want to waste beacon

[dry cargo]

I never tried, seems like a waste tho

[blissful quiver]

I guess a random lunar item probably isn’t worth it

I don’t like most lunar items

[languid river]

transcendence is pretty good imo, but it depends on the character and build

[blissful quiver]

I haven’t got that one but I know what it does

Opinions on Brittle Crown?

That was the lunar item that left a bad taste in my mouth

[languid river]

brittle crown is really bad i think

only reason to use it is if you're trying to cheese phase 4 mythrix with crowdfunder

[brazen shard]

Brittle crown can be really good imo

[blissful quiver]

I guess if you’re a fast class that doesn’t get hit much like Huntress

[brazen shard]

I've had really good runs with it on slow characters too, like Captain

it sucks if you're behind the curve though

[languid river]

yeah or merc. i feel like on average i get about the same amount of money or less than i would otherwise with crown, but i do just kind of get hit a lot.

[blissful quiver]

Yeah

Plus it kinda just becomes a hinderance late game when money is commonplace anyway

Just pearl fodder at that point I guess

[languid river]

the other blue i like is visions of heresy, but really only for artificer or engineer

[dry cargo]

The thing that makes all shrines combat shrines is super fun

And the mercurial rachis

[hot root]

question can i still get huntress ultimate if i take shield damage

[finite swallow]

no

[hot root]

really????

what if i use the beetle thing the blue item

can i still get it?

[finite swallow]

nope

you would need barrier, so like topaz brooch or aegis

[hot root]

im in the shop right now where you enter the portal im thinking of getting it

but oh well it doesnt work

[finite swallow]

whoops i read your first question wrong, i meant no

[hot root]

whoops i read your first question wrong, i meant no
@finite swallow wdym so i need my health and shield to be 0 dmg taken?

[finite swallow]

yes, only barrier damage doesnt count

[hot root]

wdym barrier

the yellow health?

[finite swallow]

yup

[hot root]

okay thanks

[trail parcel]

I never talk here, I don't think I ever have, but I just played for the first time in a while and met Mithrix... Great googly moogly...

[storm fern]

Is it possible to survive to his wave thing if you are touched ?

[trail parcel]

I did, but it hurt bad

[finite swallow]

if you have hella health

[trail parcel]

I love him, though! I'd like to try again sometime soon

[storm fern]

I mean i was playing acrid with 18 armor plates and still got OS

[finite swallow]

18 is like 90 damage reduction, 1 infusion is more than that already

[wicked fiber]

I've made it to the Final Bosses last stage 3 times and died all 3 times. Is there something I should be doing differently?

[finite swallow]

depends how you are dying

[storm fern]

True

[trail parcel]

I read that a bunch of shaped glass helps

Idk if that's true

[wicked fiber]

Idk just dying lmao

[storm fern]

What phase lol

[finite swallow]

which char?

he said last phase i believe

[wicked fiber]

Loader

[finite swallow]

ok

all you gotta do is charge punch into him

[wicked fiber]

My sweet carryover from RoR1 lol

[finite swallow]

then hide behind a pillar

rinse and repeat

[storm fern]

Just full speed fist his face when he steals your items

[wicked fiber]

I did that but for some reason he dropped me way below half and then capped me as I was running

[storm fern]

I did ohko on normal just by doing that

[finite swallow]

what items did you have?

[wicked fiber]

A lot lol. It was a 90 min run so I had quite a few

[finite swallow]

hmm

if you havr a lot of items, do as much damage as you can while hes taking your items

[storm fern]

Lots of

[wicked fiber]

Does he gain the effects of the items when he steals em

[finite swallow]

yup

[wicked fiber]

....so he'd get shaped glass effect....

[finite swallow]

yup

[wicked fiber]

I'll shamefully take my leave then

[finite swallow]

if you get enough glass he be at 1 health

[storm fern]

Get 100 shaped glass and he will have 1hp yeah

[wicked fiber]

Oh ez

[storm fern]

XD

Take thousands of wax quails and hope for him to jump off the arena

[wicked fiber]

Oh that'd be rich

[storm fern]

Idk if that works

[wicked fiber]

"I am lord of all, king of a fallen civilization. Also-" nyoom

[finite swallow]

he might not do an actual jump is the thing

[wicked fiber]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

[storm fern]

True

[finite swallow]

with goat hooves it or the soda thing ot might work

[storm fern]

But it would be fun

[finite swallow]

but your going to need a shit ton

[wicked fiber]

'Twould be loads of fun

Aight brb gonna go punch the face off this demigod

[gritty arrow]

the only items he takes but will not be used are razorwire and tougher times.

[willow hound]

Was there a modding channel or am i going crazy?

[dull ingot]

maybe on the old discord server

[willow hound]

Anyway, did 1.0 break all the mods?

And what mods are good, and actually working at the moment?

[cobalt aspen]

yeah theres a modding channel

also what sort do you want???????

[willow hound]

Really just more content.

[cobalt aspen]

i tried to post the modding discord server here but it deleted it, ill just msg it

surely theyre happy to answer ya questions, im not good at modding

[hearty violet]

https://i.gyazo.com/7433948daf26a032d927b83b91d200ec.mp4

you dont have to kill it anymore?

[cobalt aspen]

wtf hahahahahahaha

[dull ingot]

You reset it’s health while it was dead center stealing? L o l

[hearty violet]

i guess transcendence reset or my execute bug it 🤔

3rd phase was killed by ice wall execute

[cobalt aspen]

game so bugged literally unplayable

[hearty violet]

its okay its early access :kappa:

[willow hound]

That bossfight is just fucked at the moment.

The one time i beat him i didn't get my items back, and then couldn't escape the explody moon

But yeah, i'm waiting for the patch

[cobalt aspen]

sergio did you run with no items???

or were you stuck?

[hearty violet]

ya and died. It was fun 😄 I wish it was intended to be like that lol

[cobalt aspen]

hahahahahahahha unplayable im uninstalling

[hearty violet]

patch soon™️

[dull ingot]

Buzzsaw Patch when ?! ™️

[cobalt aspen]

its just a patch and not an update isnt it 😩

[frosty terrace]

does personal shield generator stack infinitely or is 100% of your hp as shield the max or something?

[polar anvil]

infinite;ly

[frosty terrace]

nice

I just want to be extra healthy you know

[azure sierra]

@lilac spoke
youre not really convincing anyone of your idea because youre arguing from a rather subjective experience that nobody else matches
i get that you like the idea of that kind of chaotic difficulty that you usually get from cremator and spite and all of that, but this doesnt mean that four relatively isolated stages in a row is a particularly good idea to implement it

[warm coyote]

elegantly put

[lilac spoke]

and you'd want this absolute hell to deract from new player's experience?
either way i know you just wanna shut down whatever i say, typical of discord communities...

[warm coyote]

oh boo hoo

[polar anvil]

i am missing something here

[warm coyote]

go preach cremator somewhere else then

[azure sierra]

not really, i just dont think that way is necessarily a good way to implement it nor do i think it necessarily has to be an absolute hell

[rustic helm]

Cremator is an interesting boss from the first game but not every boss has a place in RoR2

[lilac spoke]

doesn't even deny it, thanks for confirming my suspicions

[warm coyote]

yeah

cremator worked because it was 2d

[polar anvil]

tell me what is going on

[lilac spoke]

discussing a separate, third config that sends you to ror1 levels

[warm coyote]

we moved this circle talk from theorycrafting to gd2

[azure sierra]

oh we were arguing some stuff about the primordial teleporter in #theorycrafting and whether it could have other functions
macho came up with what he said

[polar anvil]

what did he say

[azure sierra]

4 stages from ror1 in a row, extra difficult

[lilac spoke]

I think Cremator is actually the perfect match considering most of what you're doing in the cremator fight is dodging absolutely everything.

Which is what RoR2 is at it's basest.

[azure sierra]

cremator came up as the primary inspiration for this thing

[polar anvil]

why would we need ror1 levels

[warm coyote]

this guy says ror2 should bring back ror1 stages but only in a separate loop completely segregated from and mutually exclusive with the main ror2 stages, and only accessible via the primordial teleporter alignment

[azure sierra]

once again macho, dodging everything is part of every single fight

[rustic helm]

RoR2 isn't a bullet hell game

[azure sierra]

not just cremator

[lilac spoke]

the fuck it isn't

[polar anvil]

ror2 is bullet hell on loop 2

[warm coyote]

3d bullet hells arent a good time

[wicked fiber]

RoR2 hardest bullet hell

[lilac spoke]

ror2 is definitely a bullet hell game

have you seen those last-holdout stands?

dodging a billion instant-kill attacks?

[azure sierra]

have you seen actual bullethell games

[polar anvil]

the hell means not much bullets but how hard enemies kill you

[lilac spoke]

The hell means the sheer fuckload of projectiles, hitscans, enemies, general bullfuck coming your way. Hence the name, Risk of Rain

[rustic helm]

very wrong, bullet hell games are by definition games that crowd most of the screen with projectiles

[wicked fiber]

Oh so RoR2 is hell hell then?

[azure sierra]

bullethell is a genre

[warm coyote]

hitscans are the complete antithesis of bullet hells LOL

[rustic helm]

RoR2 is definitely a hell hell game, just not a bullet hell game

[polar anvil]

hell hell
there is layers of hell

[azure sierra]

bullethell is a subform of shoot em up games

[lilac spoke]

Risk, as in the risks of Roguelikes and randomness.
Rain, as in the sheer number of bullshit coming your way and the debris of the Contact Light.
Risk, as in constantly having to risk the thin line of safety and imminent death to succeed regardless of how many items you have...

[polar anvil]

inventing new game genre
hell hell

[rustic helm]

Risk of Rain was named as such because the scaling difficulty of the game

[azure sierra]

ror1 and 2 arent either but you can have bullethell elements in your game as nier and nier automata have demonstrated

[wicked fiber]

EtG is a good bullet hell

[lilac spoke]

I could go on. But RoR is absolutely a monster + bullet hell.

[polar anvil]

risk of rain was named because devs thought its cool afaik

[warm coyote]

bullet hells throw everything at you as projectiles and makes it possible to, and fully expects you to, dodge absolutely everything

ror2 doesnt do that

[lilac spoke]

But it's a perfectly fitting-

[rustic helm]

macho are you trolling right now

[polar anvil]

but risk of rain 2 is cool naem

[lilac spoke]

Yes it does. It absolutely does. Do you people even play the game?

[rustic helm]

because you're actually wrong

[lilac spoke]

Are you on drizzle or downpour or something? Are we playing the same game? Are YOU the ones trolling?

[warm coyote]

ror2 does that but not intentionally

[rustic helm]

RoR2 is, by definition, not a bullet hell game. That is objective and not up to interpretation

[azure sierra]

macho, out of curiosity, what bullethell games do you know

[lilac spoke]

It is a bullet hell game.

[dull ingot]

lol this aint bullet hell

[azure sierra]

if you want a good example of bullethell i would recommend watching a few touhou games

[rustic helm]

CSGO is a bullet hell game because people shoot at you

[polar anvil]

not bullet hell,this is hell hell game

[warm coyote]

ror2 makes you die to basically anything in long runs and also throws a ton of attacks at you

[dull ingot]

it's rain bc the ship exploded and rained all those chests and escape pods over the planet

[lilac spoke]

Bullet hell is not exclusive to SHMUPS you idiots.

[polar anvil]

CSGO is a bullet hell game because people shoot at you
@rustic helm haha

[lilac spoke]

Slaughtermaps on Doom are in effect, bullet hells.

[azure sierra]

it isnt exclusive to shmups, this was already stated earlier
nier and nier automata include these bullethell aspects even in 3d

[wicked fiber]

No bullet hell genre

[lilac spoke]

Yes because it's not tagged by your precious google

[rustic helm]

RoR2 is closer to a shmup than a bullet hell game

[polar anvil]

pretty sure even steam doesnt say its boolet hell

[lilac spoke]

But the sheer number of projectiles, golems, beams, projectiles, mo-

Yes it does

[polar anvil]

you said projectiles twice

[warm coyote]

again, bullet hells are characterized by everything being projectiles, and fully expecting the player to be able to dodge everything

ror2 does not do that

[lilac spoke]

fuck off troll it does and you know it does

[azure sierra]

it doesnt actually have to just be projectiles but the vast majority are as far as i am aware

[polar anvil]

also golems and beams aren't projectiles

[lilac spoke]

Beams are hitscan

You need to break line of sight

[polar anvil]

and golems are?

[lilac spoke]

Golems have the melee to force you into that hitscan

[warm coyote]

it has a lot of projectiles but it also has a lot more leeway in player survivability and a lot more bs harder to avoid attacks that ultimately characterize ror2 as anything but a bullet hell

[polar anvil]

also lol calling duck a troll

[azure sierra]

to take touhou as an example again, some of the fights have laserlines that you need to avoid too

[dull ingot]

yer this game doesnt get anywhere close to bullethell levels

[lilac spoke]

they're obviously a troll

[polar anvil]

very very far from troll

[dull ingot]

of projectiles

[rustic helm]

🤔

[lilac spoke]

joel's one too.
play on something other than drizzle

[wicked fiber]

The very last tag is bullet hell

Click the plus

[warm coyote]

hes just mad i called him a troll because i said their theory of "monsters are just obliterated player characters" is obvious bs

[dull ingot]

lol finished mith on monsoon earlier lad

[wicked fiber]

Just means it's mislabelled ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lilac spoke]

It's not mislabelled

[rustic helm]

"People aren't agreeing with me when i'm wrong, so i'm going to say they're bad at the game"

[wicked fiber]

'tis

[lilac spoke]

Stop trying to turn RoR into Borderlands

[warm coyote]

the VERY LAST tag, meaning its not a popular user-defined tag

[wicked fiber]

Lmfao

[lilac spoke]

It is a bullet hell. Actually play the game. God damn trolls I swear.

[polar anvil]

i play on rainstorm most of the time
even monsoon,sometimes
still not bullet hell levels you can see

[lilac spoke]

Have you even ever been the last alive?

yep you're trolling.

[polar anvil]

macho go play the game yourself instead of calling others bad

[dull ingot]

yer bullethells leave like 5% of screen space for you to move around

[warm coyote]

its not even hard to avoid everything most of the time

[rustic helm]

Macho, we're telling you that it is not a bullet hell game by definition of bullet hell games you're a fool

[lilac spoke]

Yeah, Risk of rain gives you about 2.5%

You fuck up once, you die.

[dull ingot]

risk of rain gives you... the entire map

[lilac spoke]

And you will need it.

[polar anvil]

there's an entire fucking map to leave to

[warm coyote]

lol

[lilac spoke]

Good lord will you need it.

[rustic helm]

has macho even played the game? can we confirm this?

[wicked fiber]

I have more information from "my precious Google"

[warm coyote]

ror2 also lacks the tight controls and absolute access to information that bullet hells always have

[polar anvil]

use one move ability and you're out of so called "bullet hell"

[rustic helm]

macho post your play time in RoR2 for me please

[dull ingot]

i think maybe macho is just new and getting used to the difficulties

[lilac spoke]

i'm done

[wicked fiber]

The screen in RoR2 is not almost completely filled with bullets

[polar anvil]

@lilac spoke can you tell us your play time please

[gray copper]

Cremator usually just barfs up his pellets wherever it pleases, too

[lilac spoke]

i'm fucking done, you absolutely know it's always filled with bullets, fuck off with your bait.

[dull ingot]

smh

[wicked fiber]

@lilac spoke can you tell us your play time please
@polar anvil

This

[warm coyote]

get mad

[lilac spoke]

anything to derail and shut down my discussion on RoR1

[rustic helm]

now RoR1 is closer to a bullet hell game than RoR2 is

[warm coyote]

grrrr

[lilac spoke]

both of them are bullet hells

[rustic helm]

bro,,,,,,

[warm coyote]

ror2 has lots of stuff to dodge, that doesnt make it a bullet hell

[lilac spoke]

the diffrence is a matter of format

[wicked fiber]

Oh my lord

[polar anvil]

macho stop being ignorant and tell us your playtime on ror2

[azure sierra]

this is a better example of bullethell than either risks of rains

[gray copper]

Not only is Ror1 never filled with bullets, it's actually very limited in horizontal blasts and melee attacks

[lilac spoke]

That's exactly what I expect my usual ROR run to look like

[warm coyote]

ror2 has major differences from the bullet hell genre that ultimately differentiates it from being a literal bullet hell

[lilac spoke]

If it isn't, you're not playing the same game.

[azure sierra]

which is funny because risk of rain does not contain much in the way of bullet patterns

[harsh garden]

it could be compared to a bullet hell somewhat, but its not one

[rustic helm]

"I'm better than you, thus i'm more right" aight, post your play time in BOTH games then, Macho

[gray copper]

And this is Ror1.

[polar anvil]

fairly sure i got blocked so please bring them this message

macho stop being ignorant and tell us your playtime on ror2

[lilac spoke]

It contains them in the form of sheer fucking quantity rather than pattern

[wicked fiber]

This is bullet hell

[warm coyote]

it has similarities to a bullet hell but that doesnt make fortnite a roguelike

[lilac spoke]

wow, cherrypicking to suit your argument

now show us one with more than 4 enemys

5 sorry

[warm coyote]

no no, fortnite has random loot generation, and every encounter is different

[rustic helm]

Macho is holding up a featherless biped and calling it a man

[warm coyote]

and it has permadeath

[gray copper]

Sure, here.

[harsh garden]

something like ||mithrix phase 3 attack with the spinning lines would be like a bullet hell|| - final boss stuff, idk if we still spoiler that

[warm coyote]

and it picks a random stage, does it not?

[wicked fiber]

How the fuck does more enemies qualify it more for a bullet hell?

[lilac spoke]

there you go

[warm coyote]

these are all features roguelikes have, do they not?

[azure sierra]

are you admitting that risk of rain only becomes part of the bullethell genre once the difficulty ramps up high enough that the screen is swarmed by non-bullet producing enemies

[lilac spoke]

now see, that image is lucky

[polar anvil]

LMAO

[lilac spoke]

You mean the exact kind of gameplay you should push for when going in a RoR run?

[gray copper]

"Every piece of actual evidence is wrong, but my bare word is right"

[azure sierra]

is serious sam a bullethell too now

[dull ingot]

ror has bullethell vibes but it just aint

[lilac spoke]

The image he posted doesn't have a lot of projectile based enemies

[wicked fiber]

Guys PUBG is bullet hell right?

[gray copper]

Risk of Rain is just a reincarnated bullethell game, obliterated at the obelisk.

[azure sierra]

i bet serious sam is, there are a large quantity of enemeis
its even more of a bullethell than risk of rain because most of them actually have guns

[polar anvil]

@azure sierra tower defence is bullet hell because theres bullets

[rustic helm]

Macho just humor us and post your play time in RoR1 and RoR2

[wicked fiber]

Please

[rustic helm]

i'll do the same!

[dull ingot]

is portal 2 a bullet hell too?

[polar anvil]

that image has 15 shooting enemies

@rustic helm inb4 he posts 5000h playtime totally not photoshopped

[azure sierra]

there is an RTS where you have to basically build and defend a town from an absolutely massive swarm of zombies, is that a bullethell too because of the enemy density?

[dull ingot]

wheatley shoots bombs, clearly a bullet hell

[lilac spoke]

fine ya gits.
note that my low playtime is usually from getting most things on the same loops.

[warm coyote]

next thing you know, hollow knight is a puzzle game, because you figure out how to progress by learning new game mechanics

[polar anvil]

oh for sure its not you not playing the game

[lilac spoke]

i looped at least like, 5 times before killing prov.
whorl is from when the acheive was bugged

[warm coyote]

65 hours

[polar anvil]

what about ror2

[lilac spoke]

i lost the desire to play after unlocking everything

[lilac spoke]

tell me it's not a bullet hell

[warm coyote]

ror2 is not a bullet hell

[polar anvil]

macho,show us ror2 playtime

[wicked fiber]

I can relate to the losing interest in RoR1

[lilac spoke]

come on now... when the intended method to winning is the game turning into a bullet hell

[azure sierra]

i mean, i dont particularly care about playtime in any regard
its just that the definition of bullethell has been stretched so far that its actually in several seperate pieces now and oyu havent noticed yet

[dull ingot]

lol i have 60h in ror1

[lilac spoke]

looping.

[gray copper]

Neither ror1 nor ror2 come even close to being a bullethell.

[warm coyote]

even i have more playtime in ror1

but, on switch

[wicked fiber]

Same

[warm coyote]

cant screenshot that one

[azure sierra]

to note, bullethell is not just a large amount of enemies shooting bullets

[polar anvil]

_>

[lilac spoke]

Bullethell is also not just a top-down/side-scrolling shmup either.

[azure sierra]

oh i wouldnt say that either

[lilac spoke]

That's from release. I didn't play in early access

[azure sierra]

i would say that nier and terraria for example have bullethell elements

[lilac spoke]

I didn't want to ruin the complete product

[polar anvil]

please play more ror2

[lilac spoke]

Plus, GEARBOX

I HATE RANDY AND I HATE GEARBOX. That's the main reason I didn't bother sooner.

[warm coyote]

LOL

[azure sierra]

enter the gungeon is not a shmup but definitely falls under the genre because of the attack patterns of bosses

[warm coyote]

my god dude

[gray copper]

Found the bullethell he's talking about.

[polar anvil]

lmao

[dull ingot]

wew

[lilac spoke]

sir

[azure sierra]

thats not hell, look at all that money

[rustic helm]

lmao

[polar anvil]

bullet heaven

[lilac spoke]

those are coins.
call me when you have spite on

[dull ingot]

money is the root of all evil

[polar anvil]

bullet hell but you're the one unleashing them

[lilac spoke]

and glass

[gray copper]

That's the joke, Randy.

[lilac spoke]

and most of the runes doing an origin run.

[dull ingot]

i think we've been making fun of a special person

you do you macho

[lilac spoke]

i think you're just trolling for the sake of an argument.

there's no reason ror1 port wouldn't work in ror2

[polar anvil]

hey guys commando R shoots many bullets,commando does bullet hell on enemies

[warm coyote]

randy have you considered that maybe cremator felt hard for you because you werent very good at the game

[rustic helm]

So anyway i'm sure we've all come to the conclusion that RoR is not at all a bullet hell

[azure sierra]

what would be the closest thing to bullethell in either ror games
like, im not talking about having a shitstorm of enemies you need to kite

[wicked fiber]

I think everyone else here knows what a bullet hell is

[lilac spoke]

i also am dissapointed that Acrid doesn't have his acid trail thing

[polar anvil]

which would be almost useless

[azure sierra]

acid trail wouldnt work as well in 3d yea

thats why we have the leap now

[lilac spoke]

Eh, wouldn't work well, but it'd still be an amusing gimmick

[gray copper]

I mean hey, the missiles from ror1 sure look like bullethell, but you're the one spewing them. Reinforces the 'are we the bad guys' narrative too

[lilac spoke]

I don't like the leap as much as the go-fast-acid-everyhere rush

The elites also spewed them.
I played RoR with spite and various other high-difficulty artifacts.

[azure sierra]

i feel like that could maybe be incorporated as an alt?
like, doesnt slam but you create large amounts of acids around you and go faster for a while

[lilac spoke]

Spite was my favorite because you just absolutely could not stop moving.

[rustic helm]

yes, you're not alone in that regard, macho

[polar anvil]

macho,did you play ror2 with artifacts atleast

[warm coyote]

for a whopping 60 hours of playtime

[lilac spoke]

yeah demto that's my thing

[wicked fiber]

Several people are typing...

[lilac spoke]

just long ass acid trail so you can walk dummies back and forth across it

[warm coyote]

macho,did you play ror2 with artifacts atleast
@polar anvil yeah he did, you can see he unlocked command 😂

[polar anvil]

lmao

[lilac spoke]

proccing blight every time

delicious

[polar anvil]

macho please play maao,monsoon all artifacts on,in ror2

[lilac spoke]

then you shoot the plague thing at em

[warm coyote]

YES

[lilac spoke]

and the sweet cacophony

[warm coyote]

ANOTHER PERSON WHO KNOWS THE O IN MAAO MEANS ON

god bless you

[lilac spoke]

and the game fucking breaking down and lagging from the sheer bullshit flying out

[polar anvil]

i said on? i meant off

[lilac spoke]

top RoR by definition

[wicked fiber]

Maao wouldnt even get the game close to bullet hell

[rustic helm]

^

[polar anvil]

if ror2 is bullet hell then swarms is two bullet hells

[lilac spoke]

If a run isn't making me go "fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck" and running my ass off all the time, I'm concerned.

[rustic helm]

macho you must've never done an AFK run before

[polar anvil]

that sounds like you're ruining time for no reason tbh

[wicked fiber]

Engineer bungus ftw

[warm coyote]

even i dont feel that in monsoon with all the difficulty artifacts

even in maao its either cruisin' or acceptin defeat

[lilac spoke]

it's hardly ruined if it's made more fun

also the music, tell me that doesn't fit with dodging a rain of one-hit-kill attacks.

[wicked fiber]

I mean, you have your own preferred playstyle, and I can respect that tbh

[warm coyote]

meh

[rustic helm]

if things can kill me in one hit I can definitely kill them in one hit too

[lilac spoke]

^

[azure sierra]

i dont think the music really changes much but it certainly is nice

[lilac spoke]

the joys of acrid runs in ror1

[warm coyote]

the soundtrack of ror2 is overall a little too chill to be fitting for "constant stress and pressure" like you describe

[wicked fiber]

Some people like the casual play, some people like the never ending streams of enemies (not bullets)

[rustic helm]

RoR1 has a bumpin' soundtrack

[lilac spoke]

eventually you just can't fucking hear anything and the level up sound is like five minutes behind

also uh, nitpicking but

ror1 also had the nicer looking difficulty UI

the weird bubbly liquid in a vial was a nice touch

[polar anvil]

if you like ror1 so much go play ror1

[wicked fiber]

Both games have bumpin' soundtracks

[rustic helm]

you should've seen the UI in early early access

[lilac spoke]

go on?

[rustic helm]

of RoR2, that is. it didn't look great

[azure sierra]

dont recall it myself anymore

[rustic helm]

mostly just due to it being low rez

[lilac spoke]

mmm.

I think some of the RoR1 sounds are also super-iconic too

like, yeah, ror2 got some good sound design but then i think back to RoR1's usage and i'm all "huh."

[rustic helm]

I still hear the wisps shooting their fireballs and dying

[lilac spoke]

oh god

[wicked fiber]

Sounds of the damned

[lilac spoke]

i don't remember what it sounds like but my ears

they reacted

[azure sierra]

i kinda wish the ror2 wisps sounded more like that

[lilac spoke]

RoR2 is undoubtedly the better game though

[azure sierra]

but i guess theyre a bit more subdued due to the amount of them that can be active at once

[rustic helm]

they had such satisfying chunky sounds

[lilac spoke]

but there's a lot of RoR1 charm that I wish would be migrated over

even if it means redundant items.

[wicked fiber]

Ew no item bloat is super bad

Ask TBoI about that one

[warm coyote]

yeahhh

[polar anvil]

devs said they wont do more normal rarity items to not dilute pool

[rustic helm]

RoR2 is still a very faithful game to RoR1 in design

I've never seen a game go from 2D to 3D with such care

[warm coyote]

although i do wish ror2 had a bunch more weird niche items like ror1 had

[lilac spoke]

It is, and I'm glad

It really doesn't look like gearbox interfered in any way.

[warm coyote]

i dont think they did really

[azure sierra]

ror went from 2d to 3d real damn smooth and it remains amazing

[lilac spoke]

Also, item bloat may be bad.
but then I have ATG missiles MKI and MKII and it's all good.

[warm coyote]

except for maybe pushing a release date on 1.0?

[rustic helm]

i like it when publishers are more passive

[wicked fiber]

I remember seeing RoR2 for the first time and being really weirded out by it

[lilac spoke]

yep. I don't like randy or gearbox but...

[wicked fiber]

But... You're Randy....

[lilac spoke]

might have to let my grudge on them slide a bit

[azure sierra]

still wish sniper was in this game

[warm coyote]

still hoping sniper doesnt return

[rustic helm]

Randy Pitchford is a scummy fucker and gearbox are iffy as all hell, but dammit, i'm glad they didn't touch RoR2

[azure sierra]

or enforcer, both seem like they could be adapted in an interesting way

mostly enforcer, honestly

[wicked fiber]

Enforcer was fun asf

[lilac spoke]

I do wish more of the classes would make way over soon; but like, new characters being facimiles/re-interpretations of the originals is also pretty cool

[rustic helm]

I want a character based off enforcer that uses a shield that isn't a riot cop

[azure sierra]

sniper is my ror1 main but enforcer's style of crowd control is something id like to see more of

[rustic helm]

times have gone past the need for riot cops in video games

[azure sierra]

we dont really have that kind of stuff in ror2 yet

[lilac spoke]

Ehh

REX reminds me of bits of how I played RoR1 acrid tbh

But yeah, I get ya

[rustic helm]

I'm hoping the Paladin has Enforcers shield bash

[wicked fiber]

Still hoping they put cook chef in RoR2

[rustic helm]

Chef has to be added or I'll riot

If I can't play my funky robot cook then WHAT is the point

[lilac spoke]

Captain I haven't played yet but from observing he seems pretty similar but distinct from Enforcer.

Obviously without a shield though

[wicked fiber]

Just shotgun the fuck outta enemies

[lilac spoke]

corraling foes in ror was great though

was/is

round everyone up into a tight little ball, throw a dot at them, run like fuck.

[rustic helm]

I'm wondering if we'll see the Lance of Legends as an item, referenced in the Ancient Scepter item description

[lilac spoke]

I wanna see the ancient scepter return

but it's a pretty strong item...

would have to be a hard unlock

[rustic helm]

yeah, I don't know if we're getting it tbh. we already have alts for the 4th ability of the survivors

now the Lance of Legends on the other hand...

[lilac spoke]

hey guys

wanna give your ears PTSD?

[jolly sonnet]

hey guys, just have a quick question/problem... I cant seem to place engineer turrets as of 1.0 R brings up the blueprint thing, but nothing allows me to place them.

[lilac spoke]

Boar Beach but on an hour-plus run.

WREEEEeEEEeeIiiii.

[wicked fiber]

You have to press the button twice, once to do the blueprint, the other to confirm

[jolly sonnet]

not working

trying right now

[wicked fiber]

That's about the extent of my knowledge then

[azure sierra]

that is a weird bug
you can not place turrets on weirdly elevated or sloped terrain

iirc anyway

[jolly sonnet]

even on flat terrain, its not working

[azure sierra]

...aight, thats a weird bug

[jolly sonnet]

happening with both kinds as well :/

[dull ingot]

reset keybinds mayb

using any mods?

they dont auto delete just bc game updated

[jolly sonnet]

only possible mod is one that buffed mobile turrets

[dull ingot]

see if happens in vanilla

[lilac spoke]

One of the things I think I would like to see first would be more loadouts for existing characters, Give you even more sub-playstyles to work with; which is what giving acrid back his acid-trail would do; Sure, not very effective, but some madman will come up with an idea. And since this thing can adhere to more than just the floor now.... it might be even stronger, especially in areas of rapid elevation change

[azure sierra]

yeah if the mod isnt updated yet i woudlnt be surprised if it causes bugs

[grave parrot]

Is it possible to spawn crabs on stage one with kin + dissonance?

[lilac spoke]

don't think so

[azure sierra]

p sure those are loop exclusive

[lilac spoke]

yeah i was sure.

[azure sierra]

wouldnt be able to get reavers on 3 either

[grave parrot]

getting gesture is aids

made a new profile

[jolly sonnet]

well

launched vanilla, bug still exists

[azure sierra]

well if you completely removed all the mod stuff and it persists then something has kinda gone very wrong

[jolly sonnet]

removed the one particular mod, the others are survivor mods so should have no effect

and i used the launcher directly this time and it didnt launch bepinex

nope, no dice

guess i cant play engineer till the bug is fixed

the one that no one else seems to have :/

[dull ingot]

sounds like someone still playing a modded game

[lilac spoke]

ok, fuck it.
new difficulty:
hurricane

[jolly sonnet]

bepinex is deleted

[lilac spoke]

"Are you sure you want to do this? You absolute madman."

[jolly sonnet]

i deleted all my mods

so

[dull ingot]

oh

thats vanilla? did you reset controls?

otherwise i mean it's a tiny download so try reinstalling

[jolly sonnet]

yeah im just going to wipe it and reinstall

question; are they going to change captains kit not being usable on some stages? yes i get lore, but gameplay should kinda trump lore in that regard

[azure sierra]

havent heard about that yet but i dont disagree

[jolly sonnet]

like its just not fun to play captain even at the best of times, to be honest. feels like his kit is just dull because all his power is loaded into passive

[rustic helm]

eh i'm cool with captain not being able to go into the void fields alone in the early game

[jolly sonnet]

its a pointless restriction, tho

[dull ingot]

i like it

[rustic helm]

though I don't get much use out of captains other abilities, I mainly just shoot with the left click

[jolly sonnet]

not going to lie, though, im pretty sad we didnt get the paladin concept

[dull ingot]

makes me feel like im playing an actual character

[rustic helm]

Captain came with 1.0 launch, but Paladin is still coming i'm sure

[azure sierra]

was that confirmed in anyway

[lilac spoke]

The urchins threw me for a loop though

[jolly sonnet]

wasnt captain the survivor vote winner tho

[azure sierra]

because all i know is that unknown character won the vote and captain was indeed a new char

[lilac spoke]

there was a new vote

[azure sierra]

oooh

[lilac spoke]

see #poll it's not on steam

[rustic helm]

Paladin won one of the polls

[lilac spoke]

i did make three loose pitches in one of the channels of rough things for charas

[dull ingot]

that poll didn't influence development in any way tho @rustic helm

oh paladin seems thematically more interesting but gameplaywise there's nothing to go off

[lilac spoke]

one of them was just playing on the necromancer trope, the other was making a class centered around certain quirks of the game, and the first was some lad with a flail and minigun/chaingun

[jolly sonnet]

captain is just m1 spam, and it annoys me. his kit feels so dull

[chrome hedge]

Captain is just a lot of pointer finger cramps.

[dull ingot]

so, no paladin

m1 is fine i think m2 needs to be more interesting

[chrome hedge]

I'm really not looking forward to the Eclipse clears on Captain. 😦

[dull ingot]

/useful.....

[jolly sonnet]

m2 might as well not exist

e is...ok? ult is just dull. 90% of the stage he has no ability for that button

[dense pendant]

His m2 really just doesn't do well

[rustic helm]

I mean, I still think we could get another character in the game but that one note saying otherwise does put a bit of a pin in it

[dense pendant]

If it was an aoe stun it would be better

[dull ingot]

e is good

so much damage

[jolly sonnet]

is fine, its pretty basic

[dull ingot]

if you're not using it for 90% of the stage that's on you

[jolly sonnet]

his ult is my biggest issue; its just genuinely not fun to use

[dull ingot]

e is interact button wdym

[jolly sonnet]

i was talking about ult

[dense pendant]

The... Um?

[dull ingot]

ah right

[rustic helm]

I rebound my buttons so I don't know what the defaults are anymore

[dense pendant]

What's it called, orbital strike or something?

[jolly sonnet]

the forest shrine

[dull ingot]

i guess his utility

[jolly sonnet]

and since taser feels terrible

captain basically only has 2 abilities to me

[dull ingot]

what ar the alts for his r?

[rustic helm]

equipment charges and hacking chests to make them cost 0

[dense pendant]

Is ult orbital strike or the zones

[jolly sonnet]

hacking, which is bascailly get the legendary chest free

[rustic helm]

the hacking is okay, the equip charges are kinda useless

[jolly sonnet]

and equip charges. the problem is they are only useful once, the rest of the stage the button doesnt exist

[rustic helm]

better off getting fuel cells

[dense pendant]

I wish it was a timed cooldown instead of once per stage

Like 3 minutes or something

[dull ingot]

yeah i suppose you do spend the entire stage doing your best not to need his r lol

[jolly sonnet]

i just wish he had a different ability entirely

not having the ability just makes him more boring to play

[rustic helm]

I just pop down the healing field near the teleporter and use the stun field situationally

[dense pendant]

^

[rustic helm]

but either way isn't very interactive and his abilities are pretty "meh"

[jolly sonnet]

honestly

[dense pendant]

Hacking beacon is good I Guess

[rustic helm]

but that m1 feels good to use

[jolly sonnet]

all his power is loaded into passive. imo if his passive was orbital beacons that get summoned for the boss fight instead of microbots and give him a real ult, i'd be down for that

[rustic helm]

microbots are very strong when you consider they get put on drones and turrets that you acquire

[jolly sonnet]

yes, which is why they take up a massive portion of his budget

[rustic helm]

soon after that, everything that isn't hitscan becomes moot

[glacial steppe]

probe doesn't even deal as much damage as it says it does

[jolly sonnet]

and yeah as someone said

[dull ingot]

make r tractor beam faceless void style

[jolly sonnet]

his M1 feels amazing, so the character as a whole is a huge dissappointment because of that ;/

[rustic helm]

his kit is outclassed by one of his abilities, a shame

[dense pendant]

My only issue with his shift, is the delay and that enemies can just move out of the way.

[dull ingot]

aim where they're gonna be

[glacial steppe]

the taser sucks, but that's what it's for

[dense pendant]

Most I of the time I try to and they just stop moving

[dull ingot]

lol

[glacial steppe]

I still enjoy him quite a bit tbh, especially thematically

[rustic helm]

same with the stun field R

[glacial steppe]

also he's a badass old guy and I really like badass old characters in media

[jolly sonnet]

i would rather his two beacons drop when teleporter is activated, so he can have an actual ult tbh

[rustic helm]

yeah I have fun with Captain too. brought on for one last job

[dull ingot]

ya is the random jumping some of the enemies do a bug

[jolly sonnet]

thematically and visually i like him as well

[rustic helm]

nah the enemies randomly jumping is just them having fun

[dull ingot]

is it animated?

it just looks so random and weird

[jolly sonnet]

did they say how long we are going to wait for the first dlc drop

[glacial steppe]

no

but we'll probably get a patch soon

[jolly sonnet]

just a hotfix one, tho

far too soon for an actual patch

[glacial steppe]

no the hotfixes already happened

[jolly sonnet]

oh really

[dense pendant]

Yep

[glacial steppe]

yeah, only a couple things were fixed

[jolly sonnet]

then whats the bigger patch for

[glacial steppe]

we'll see the more comprehensive patch later

tweaks and stuff

and other fixes

[dull ingot]

he's a cyborg right

[dense pendant]

Hopefully captain buffs soon

[glacial steppe]

I don't think he's a cyborg necessarily

[dull ingot]

tbh idk how you change his e and r to keep the theme

[glacial steppe]

just has that prosthetic arm which he replaced with a gun for this mission

[dull ingot]

i mean...

[harsh garden]

doesnt captain have a bunch of parts replaced?

[glacial steppe]

I guess he might

[dense pendant]

His visit seems attached to his face

[dull ingot]

does he take fall damage

[harsh garden]

i remember something in his log

[rustic helm]

Captain is just a dude that has been through some stuff. Possible prosthetic legs, definitely gun hand

[dense pendant]

Visor*

[dull ingot]

nah it's a removable helmet

[glacial steppe]

it's a radio helmet

says so in his log

alright yeah it says he has multiple prosthetics

[dull ingot]

c y b o r g

[glacial steppe]

His prosthetics tugged at his joints – despite being lighter than his original limbs, they always felt heavy.

could either mean 2 or 4, who knows

[dull ingot]

why does that writing remind me of fanfic

[harsh garden]

is huntress booty a prosthetic or nah 😳

[glacial steppe]

all natural, baby

[rustic helm]

bless the devs for giving Huntress some cake

[dull ingot]

each bun is energy storage

for her infinite arrows

[glacial steppe]

[harsh garden]

[dull ingot]

was the captain the only one who knew theyd need weapons

in the prologue merc is all waaa there were spooky noises in the black box recording, are we rly ready cap?

[jolly sonnet]

...and so he left, packing some ridiculous schmeat.

[glacial steppe]

lmao

that ain't merc, just a random crewmate

[rustic helm]

I don't think it was that he knew they'd need weapons, it's just safer to go on a rescue mission packing some heat. plus, he's got some experience under his belt, requesting weapons fitted to the UES Safe Travels is just some captains wisdom

[glacial steppe]

yep

[dense pendant]

The turrets are probably like toys to engineer, he probably forgot his war tanks at home.

[jolly sonnet]

another day, another run with no reason to take grenade or phase round

cmon hopoo help commando 😦

[dense pendant]

Give engineer war tank

Or attack helicopter

Or a moving tesla coil

[jolly sonnet]

still no reason to go pressure mines over spide, huh

oof

[glacial steppe]

nope

[jolly sonnet]

man im still upset the closest thing to a shotgun is on one of my least fav survs >.>

[vagrant quartz]

@jolly sonnet Are you on PC? The modded bandit is pretty fun

[jolly sonnet]

have played him, yes

[vagrant quartz]

His alternate m1 is shotgun

[jolly sonnet]

lot of fun

[hardy sigil]

gamers I need help

[jolly sonnet]

you cannot seduce the elder lemurians

[dense pendant]

There a mod for that

[hardy sigil]

Is there a third location for the preon accumulator chest in rallypoint delta

[dense pendant]

Yep

[jolly sonnet]

top of hill

inside buried container, inside raised container

[hardy sigil]

I know top of hill and in one crate

what buried container?

[jolly sonnet]

at the base of the hill

[glacial steppe]

yeah, there's the one in the stack of crates, underneath the hill, and on top of the hill

[hardy sigil]

under the hill with the other location on top?

[glacial steppe]

you can tell where it is due to the red lights

[jolly sonnet]

yes

yeah if you follow the red lights you'll always find your bfg

[hardy sigil]

oh yep I found it

Thanks, I didn't know the lights pointed to it

[glacial steppe]

[hardy sigil]

I don't normally make it here fast enough to care

[dense pendant]

Me neither 😔

[jolly sonnet]

tfw you prefer strafe but flurry outpaces it with just 10% crit

bad day

[dense pendant]

Flurry is so much better than strafe

[frosty terrace]

Void reaver death explosion one shot me through 100k total health, shields barriers and one shot protection was up

[tired axle]

yeah that explosion is pretty anoyng

had a ton of runs ruined by that

[frosty terrace]

I could have easily avoided it, but thought I wouldn't die

[tired axle]

it always kills

[frosty terrace]

can't trust osp I guess

[quartz saffron]

have you guys seen void reavers killing other void reavers? there's no animation for the secondary killed ones

but a few seconds later the death orb still happens

[ivory depot]

no thats literally the gimick of void reavers the on death explosion is always an instakill

[frosty terrace]

alright

[quartz saffron]

unless you have dios

[frosty terrace]

I should have gotten some dio's yeah

but I was just doing clover run for logs

[ivory depot]

f

[frosty terrace]

think I got all that I missed so all good

[ivory depot]

you even have mithrix?

[quartz saffron]

void reaver chains... you think you are safe and go there but then run is over

[frosty terrace]

I got mithrix without any clovers or artifacts on yeah

got lucky with that on my 3rd kill

[ivory depot]

ah nice

im just misisng chimera wisp and solus unit, maybe i should go for a clover run myself

[frosty terrace]

all the moon stuff is done, just need grovetender and that one mystery dude

[ivory depot]

that looks like solus unit

[frosty terrace]

solus is at the top right

[ivory depot]

solus UNIT not probe

the boss that isnt awu

[frosty terrace]

oh

[quartz saffron]

you have the awu but not the solus? huh

[ivory depot]

i have the same situation

[neon flume]

yeah im missing awu

[quartz saffron]

they keep spawning on SM if you stick around long enough

[frosty terrace]

yeah gonna do that next

a god run with captain was fun

[quartz saffron]

did you get the chimera logs on the moon?

[frosty terrace]

yeah

[dull ingot]

i had god run but foudn scavenger who just healed up to max every 5 seconds

[frosty terrace]

the only place for those logs I assume

[dull ingot]

FUCK this game but also time for a new run

[quartz saffron]

a chimera event can happen on sky meadow

in theory they should be able to spawn on any map with dissonance

[frosty terrace]

captain with 10 crit glasses and shatterspleens is nuts,

[neon flume]

you might aswell go to the moon though to get mithrix log

[frosty terrace]

stacks and stacks of bleed

[ivory depot]

theres a chimera event excuse me what?

[tired axle]

it's like the other family events

just with a lot more pain

[ivory depot]

yeah so i just checked the gamepedia

yeah god that is scary

imagine stage 1 chimeras only

[frosty terrace]

wait, as a boss event or just random?

[ivory depot]

as a family event

[frosty terrace]

oh the entire map is just chimeras? lmao

[ivory depot]

yeepppp

[frosty terrace]

ok sounds spooky

I think I've only seen the stone golem event

[tired axle]

anyone know the chance for that to happen?

[ivory depot]

ive seen quite a few... but god, chimera only?

its like 2% per stage or smth

[calm salmon]

Will this game be further supported?

[quartz saffron]

#prismatic-trials message

Cabbage saw that event

[frosty terrace]

yeah wiki says 2% for one of the family events to happen

[neon flume]

is it only me who thinks lunar chimera wisps are the most dangerous enemy in the game

[frosty terrace]

oh wait, I've seen the jellyfish event too

[tired axle]

i guess voidreavers are more dangerous

[ivory depot]

they are LITERALLY JUST TEMPLARS THAT FLY WITH A HIGH DAMAGE HOMING BLAST

[neon flume]

yeah

[ivory depot]

void reavers arent bad if you pay attention

[neon flume]

the walking ones have one shot my brother like 3 times

[quartz saffron]

as long as you don't get the stacks of their debuffs

[neon flume]

dont go close to them they scary

[ivory depot]

the walking ones are pathetic, they have one attack that moves pretty slowly

[quartz saffron]

can you jump if you are immobilized? or not move at all

[lilac spoke]

alright i found a good example, so.

[frosty terrace]

if you want to be safe on a god run, blast shower + soulbound catalyst + drowned and a couple fuel cells will make sure no malachite or other debuff ends your run

I do that everytime now

[neon flume]

i guess they are kinda like elder Lemurians if you are in their face you just die

[lilac spoke]

I think it would be an interesting novelty for the songs to gradually speed up as you go through a run

Slowly, mind you;.

[neon flume]

wait blast shower would delete overloading shots now huh

S teir item now

[ivory depot]

god the music would be running so fast

[lilac spoke]

Once you get to HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that would essentially be 2 on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGXPAoyP_cg

use custom speed setting

It works for when you're hauling ass trying not to die, especially.

gradually increase the speed as you go through the song, it kinda works.

[ivory depot]

see but the thing is it would be so stupid if you ever looped

[lilac spoke]

It wouldn't increase indefinitely.

[ivory depot]

it sounds good as is, and that would probably run the feel of some stages

[lilac spoke]

I doubt it would.

[tired axle]

i think i gotta agree with sheepie

[frosty terrace]

also one thing I noticed, when I alt tabbed in that long run and left my dude afk farming in the void, when I tab back in the game plays all explosions sounds at once, sounds pretty horrible

[lilac spoke]

i can easily imagine dodging a fuckload of parents, control units, magma worms, collossus, etc; as the song just chugs away rapidly

And every single one of them can kill you instantly.

The song speed increase would be a gentle prod to the player "hey, hurry up."

cuz if you really think about it, part of RoR's dna is a speedrunning thing.

You have, of course, fiddled with the playback speed to get a loose gist of what that would sound like, right?

[ivory depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FlsEBR6GD8
try listening to this one on 2x speed

[lilac spoke]

actually "the rain formerly known as purple" actually sounds a little better at 1.25 and still fits. Plus the original RoR1 Chansome d'autumne is clearer when it's sped slightly.

[ivory depot]

yeah, but your point is thatll cap out at around 2x speed. listening to most of the songs at 2x totally ruins the feel

[lilac spoke]

It won't be the same for absolutely every song

that actually still sounds pretty groovy at 2x

[ivory depot]

so some songs will just play slightly faster... thats not much of a change, and pretty pointless.

[lilac spoke]

It's still a nice subtle nuance.

[tired axle]

it would probably take to long to implement something like this for every song

[lilac spoke]

Hell, RoR1 had a lot of unnessasary bells and whistles but they were lovely.

the title screen loop was nice

as was the logs and all, not nessasary but excellent.

But yes, it would take a long time to do.

[ivory depot]

the logs serve as, like, the entire games lore lel

[lilac spoke]

It's more of a "mite be neat on spare time" than a full out "commit everything"

It would be especially fitting for non-standard game sizes though

[ivory depot]

and also it would lead to a lot of people never hearing the original soundtrack as it was meant to be, as youll never reach a later stage on the lowest difficulty

[lilac spoke]

that's also true n'fortunately

Amusingly, many songs are actually two in one and the game uses half of the track depending on if you're in the teleporter dome or not

that's a great touch

[night nova]

Enters snow biome boss magma worm lol

[lilac spoke]

lmao yeh

[frosty terrace]

the insides of overloading magmaworm look pretty trippy

[ivory depot]

huh

[frosty terrace]

also, "elites killed: 0" there can be elite versions of overloading magmaworm?

I need to find some of those

[ivory depot]

no there cant

thats just how the logbook works

[quartz saffron]

killed by only 1? impossible