Except their is obliteration after that so the final boss isnt quite the final challange.
#gd2-nullified
stoic geyser
zinc socket
I would rather have a hard end boss, but I do understand that one shot prot doesnt always save you
stoic geyser
The boss like the stage it is in expects you to have movement.
blazing jay
why do y'all keep trying to imply that if he dealt less damage he wouldn't be hard
ivory depot
man dont you love having no dps
zinc socket
were not its just that the amount of dmg he does makes it harder
blazing jay
he's still loaded with health, has four phases, has super fast and difficult patterns etc.
those wouldn't change if you toned his damage down a tad
stoic geyser
He doesnt really have difficult patterns.
blazing jay
hell i'm advocating to make his patterns significantly harder to compensate
stoic geyser
He has 5 attacks total across all the phases
blazing jay
with more ways to deal with aerial opponents, more attacks in general etc.
smoky brook
I don't mind his damage, ||i just hate losing my whole build in the last stage||
blazing jay
@stoic geyser yeah but like. teleport hammer dash
spare valve
his damage isnt even scaled that crazily,'other things are scaled just as high as mithrix... It's his debuff that's really crazy. His debuff disregards OSP. thats why he seems so powerful. he 1 shots
zinc socket
its the fact that the devs want you to be good enough to dodge (and have some items to help) that make him hard, they dont want you to be able to just outright tank the shots and dps the hell out of him
blazing jay
yeah
stoic geyser
Hope you have wax quail or run go bye bye.
blazing jay
but if i'm on a run where i could tank any enemy and dps him out
i'm probably on a run where i could one shot him before he can even attack
zinc socket
ik
stoic geyser
You need some crazy items and or time to be able to do that.
blazing jay
also there isn't a single item in the game that works for mid/late game defense scaling
spare valve
full barrier and it's no problem to tank his shit
stoic geyser
Or be playing on drizzle or with command on.
blazing jay
tough times was removed for tougher times, an rng-based item
dire barn
He does need more ways to deal with aerial opponents, but teleport hammer dash doesn't feel too bad. Sure, you need to build with that in mind, and this restricts your build pattern, but the swarms of enemies in the game normally already restrict your build pattern.
spare valve
please forgive me with 2 brooches = hit me all you want
blazing jay
repulsion armor plate stops being useful after stage 3
stoic geyser
Brooches only work when you kill something.
spare valve
hence please forgive me
zinc socket
repulsion only block 5 base dmg so I wouldnt suggest building them too hard
stoic geyser
Oh ye forget that was an item.
smoky brook
can confirm forgive me please is broken
dire barn
Repulsion plate is kind of useless late game
stoic geyser
Even then you need a specific setup for it.
blazing jay
the way to survive enemies is to kill them first
which sucks if you don't have godly rng
spare valve
jade elephant would like a word
warm fog
made a build with commando consisting of Shatterspleen, tritip dagger, soldier syringe ans a bunch of lens maker glass. I was getting 100x stacks of bleeding easily and melting everything in my way
dire barn
Bleed builds are a lot more fun now
blazing jay
bleed builds are broken lol
stoic geyser
Bleed is busted.
warm fog
that is until I got to final boss and my lack of mobility and I got whacked in the face
blazing jay
if you get a bleed printer (and aren't slow) then it's just instant GG
dire barn
You don't even look at the health bar, just watch the bleed number go higher and higher
Very fun
blazing jay
though my recent runs are making me realize that commando really needs a buff lmao
zinc socket
I liike to think that the whole opint of not adding to much defense and lots of dps/health was to force you to play more aggressive or shall I say "risky"
blazing jay
a non-bleed buff
stoic geyser
Risky of rain?
dire barn
Commando is fine
blazing jay
commando damage is bad even when you have a fantastic build
zinc socket
Risky of rain
blazing jay
he's below average in every category
ivory depot
i shouldnt have activated that mountain shrine
dire barn
Dodge, get on hits, etc.
blazing jay
phase blast is basically the only way to deal decent damage with commando and even that starts to fall off real quick
stoic geyser
Dodging stone titans laser beam lel.
dire barn
attack speed, on hits, dodge, etc.
smoky brook
build crit cap, death mark, attack speed, shaped glass if you're feeling fancy
zinc socket
@ivory depot whats with the sheer number of lunar coins?
ivory depot
uhhhhhhh
stoic geyser
Hacker man.
dire barn
Dedication
ivory depot
magic
spare valve
@zinc socket on pc all you have to do is edit a text file lol
zinc socket
pog
dire barn
NO, sheer willpower
stoic geyser
Change a number in a txt file.
blazing jay
@dire barn bruh i had brilliant behemoth and molten perforator and my damage was still ass
spare valve
he manifested them
stoic geyser
So close to 999,999
twin marsh
I feel like this wasn't the right release to declare v1.0 on.
dire barn
I kind of agree
ivory depot
i had 1m and than my mental fortitude slipped
stoic geyser
Ita because we got mithrix.
dire barn
I would've been fine with early access for a bit longer.
stoic geyser
Final boss = final patch basic math
twin marsh
Just because the game has a proper end state now doesn't mean it can be declared a finished product. There's still so much left to be done.
dire barn
Honestly, I feel like a lot of the issues in the recent patch probably wouldn't have happened had it not been for the pandemic disrupting work
I don't blame the Hopoo team much, I'm just kinda disappointed
twin marsh
My guess is that Gearbox forced the team's hand by requiring a "full release" by a certain date.
blazing jay
this patch was rushed to meet a deadline that shouldn't have existed
atomic otter
probably
twin marsh
Because it's VERY clear that the game's not finished.
Such as the story/atmosphere gripes I had yesterday.
It makes more sense when you realize it was super rushed.
blazing jay
yeah the fact that the logbook isn't complete is a massive "not complete" flag waving around
especially when you've played ror1
stoic geyser
Captain not having allternate abilities too.
blazing jay
i mean mul-t doesn't have alt abilities either under the same logic
smoky brook
Captain's M2 being useless
dire barn
I think his M2 isn't useless, but it does need a buff
smoky brook
if it was an aoe stun I would be fine with it, but single target stun for such a short duration isn't cutting it
the stun tower is nice though
stoic geyser
Its weak but captain is already very stron.
twin marsh
Basically, there's no reason for you to be there since the Contact Light is gone and everything in the lore has already happened before you even got there. There's no reason to go fucking about with the moon, or even a reason to know about it to begin with. Mithrax is entirely out of left field, with no context outside of presumably to-be-released logbook entries. Why is he there? Why does the moon blow up? What is the place you're sent to?
It raises a bajillion questions and answers none of them.
With RoR1, you had a reason to be where you were, you had a reason to keep moving forward, and there was a buildup and subsequent payoff when you reached the end. You don't get that here.
smoky brook
fair, just wish it had more use cases
ivory depot
well frick
i got froze and died
twin marsh
In short, RoR1 is far more coherent than RoR2.
frosty terrace
monsoon is quick to kill you
ivory depot
mithrix is brovidence, and he couldnt control his power and didnt care for the weak like providence, so providence working with a "her" (maybe nkuaha) banished him to the moon
but yeah its pretty unfinished due to rushing
frosty terrace
I've done nothing but fail in monsoon today, kinda frustrating
gotten to the boss a few times, but died there
stoic geyser
Lele mithrixes brother liked worms.
ivory depot
mithrix is the worm man and (VERY IMPORTANT) has toes
atomic otter
my theory is that our survivor finds out about mithrix and his intent to destroy planets from reading logs, so they detour to the moon to stop him
mithrix was either born on the moon and destroyed everything there after providence left, or he was exiled there by providence
it blows up when he dies because idk he wanted it to
twin marsh
But you don't get those logs until you're already on the planet.
atomic otter
yeah
in the scope of the lore our survivor was probably on the planet for a lot longer than 30 minutes
stoic geyser
Went there for investigave purposes.
ivory depot
well the thing is theyve learned an easy way to progress on their exploration is to take a teleporter
if it takes them to the moon so be it
twin marsh
Now, the people that SENT the Captain and crew may have known something, because it's clearly stated that the ship they sent is NOT the rescue mission type.
stoic geyser
Or for fun. Take a vacation out on whatever the planets called now for just you life every 30 minutes.
dire barn
Yeah, I liked that part of the intro
atomic otter
or maybe mithrix yoinked the captain and we have to go rescue him instead
dire barn
It seems like Hopoo are probably going to fill out the story more in the future
twin marsh
I mean, half the logbook is still in development, so yeah
It's just, we're missing that buildup and payoff that RoR1 had. Remember the first time you ever reached the final stage of RoR1?
atomic otter
the moon hits different but the fact it's just an empty bridge still hits
ivory depot
i mean the moon is cool the first time you reach it in just visuals, but i kind of agree
i mean when i first came in the giant room you start it made me think "oh god the final boss is gonna start"
twin marsh
The first time you reach the Contact Light, it hits you like a BRICK. The desolation, the STARKLY different music, it was perfect.
sullen peak
first time I got to the moon I got that 'calm before the storm' feeling
but from the second time on it got a little dull
ivory depot
yeah
twin marsh
The moon is purely spectacle, it doesn't really mean anything until long after the fact.
sullen peak
at least it makes sense why mithrix is the king of nothing
there's really nothing on the moon
ivory depot
besides comedy island
twin marsh
Right, but you don't know why it's significant that he's the King of Nothing.
sullen peak
comedy island is the equivalent of hell for moon people
twin marsh
Until you unlock some logs later.
sullen peak
they get tortured by having awesome items but nothing to use them on
dull ingot
Is this a sin or art...?
polar anvil
What's wrong
twin marsh
Also, this is a personal gripe, but the music in RoR2 (and really the overall feeling of the game) is too...same-y. It all kinda blurs together.
Even Commencement still feels kinda sorta the same, other than the very beginning.
sullen peak
isn't commencement a remix of coalescence?
twin marsh
Partially.
But Coalescence was a heavy contrast with the rest of RoR1's varied, but generally up-tempo soundtrack.
That's another thing I liked about RoR1's soundtrack, there was a diversity to it.
twin marsh
By the way, Aurora Borealis is still one of my favorite RoR1 tracks.
Also also, man, that was 2013?
I coulda sworn it was earlier than that.
half cargo
I do like the final boss/area of 1 more but 2's also good and the escape sequence is neat
twin marsh
On a slightly related note, goddamn Mithrix just absolutely destroys Arti if you don't end the fight fast enough.
mellow tree
can Mithrix spawn as an elite?
polar anvil
No
analog viper
anybody know where the environment log is for the moon? or is it a downed radio tower like other stages
polar anvil
spare valve
why tf does it despawn
polar anvil
All logs despawn
spare valve
yeah but this is the only one that takes a marathon to get to
analog viper
thanks, i went there before but didnt know it despawns
polar anvil
@spare valve you can suggest for logs to not despawn
burnt lynx
Question of great concern. Does stuff actively target you with the Chaos artifact on?
wraith bramble
Anyone willing to be my Lab Rat i just want to test if this server trick could remove the delays
burnt lynx
Like I managed to suicide on accident because I had an ATG missile that fired upward as I jumped
But if I wasn't jumping, is it gonna turn about around and pop me?
ivory depot
homing stuff wont home in on yourself
homing stuff may home in on allies tho
idk about atgs but huntresses homing will do so
burnt lynx
Right.
modest talon
how do you unlock the timed chest?
nimble gale
the one on rallypoint delta?
nimble gale
ah you have to reach that stage and open the chest before 10 minutes are up
otherwise it will be locked
modest talon
do i need to beat the stage?
nimble gale
no
modest talon
or just get there and open it asap
nimble gale
play with swarm + sacrifice and get op fast
ivory depot
half rock
lol
ivory depot
no preon, chunked. pre artifacts.
half rock
gg
ivory depot
it just took about 40 stages
half rock
poggers
modest talon
what items are super good on artificer
tired axle
the two bands
spare valve
bands and backups and bands and backups and bands and backups and
modest talon
spare valve
that and the ice one
nimble gale
that is the ice one
modest talon
oh i dont have that item is it hard to unlock?
ivory depot
not rlly
just find two pressure plates in aqueducts, weigh them both down at once (players, pots, or engi turrets)
thatll open a gate, kill two elder lemurian minibosses inside, and youll have them
modest talon
find two pressure plates in aqueducts<
ivory depot
elite* elder lemurians
modest talon
is that a level?
ivory depot
the sand level
nimble gale
aqueduct is one of the second stages
modest talon
i can unlock them both on the 2nd stage right now on my run?
modest talon
well i got this on my 2nd stage can I still unlock them?
ivory depot
youll have to loop
copper pawn
yes
copper pawn
take enginer Is more easy
ivory depot
they can constantly be procced due to her chunk damage
modest talon
they can constantly be procced due to her chunk damage
cant that be said for all other classes?
nimble gale
those items are great on any character
ivory depot
not all characters can proc with their base skills
modest talon
o
ivory depot
to proc them you just have to have to deal 400% base dmg
than they go on a cooldown and once they go off can be procced again
woven magnet
I got that one by picking up a 11 armour piecing bullets and THEN starting the boss
Oh I sent the message and then my discord updated. I was talking about the artificer 'Chunked' challlenge
ivory depot
commando cant proc the bands at all with his base skills..
his alt skills cant either
modest talon
is artificer a "burst character"?
ivory depot
shes intended to be a glass cannon
modest talon
i thought she falls off hard late game and gets outscaled by all other characters?
ivory depot
basically the best two charas for the bands are loader and arti as they can easily proc them
yeah she kind of does because she doesnt really sync with the classic proc bleed crit build
modest talon
can anyone here help me unlock the commando shotgun ability
ive been trying for months now and i still cant get it
copper pawn
Overloading Worms is difficult to find
twin marsh
God DAMN it, I had six teddies and Mithrax STILL hits all his shots and takes me out
modest talon
how can I open this
ivory depot
get to it before 10 minutes have passed
copper pawn
if you play a random just to ask them ,to let you kill the worm
play as archer ,go fast to stage 3
modest talon
hmm
drifting shore
finally got the god run 
im too tired to go on
https://imgur.com/VNoqK51
nimble gale
nice
copper pawn
god one
drifting shore
i was struggling there til i picked up a clover and suddenly i started doing a billion times more damage 
nimble gale
clover do be like that
drifting shore
the math checks out
twin marsh
Even with Command turned on and a solid build, Mithrix just SHITS all over Merc. It's AWFUL.
ivory depot
at least you have iframes on merc
copper pawn
102/103 ,last one is the capitan 10 environment, I need 2h
drifting shore
yeah that sounds bout right
twin marsh
You make ONE tiny error in positioning, and roll bad on your bears, and Mithrix will just DELETE merc even on drizzle
drifting shore
sounds like melee in general get shat on by moon man
copper pawn
I just kill him when she trie take my items,
ivory depot
loader is so much worse than merc
copper pawn
no have time for him to take items
drifting shore
iunno if loaders bad but wow she.. takes alot of effort to play
ivory depot
merc, you get iframes. its not that bad
twin marsh
At least with Loader you can keep distance and just launch the zoom punch when ready.
ivory depot
loader sure you get the mobility but its all the issues merc has without iframes
feral whale
109775240990165389 RUS
ivory depot
#lfg-pc-ror2 or whatever you are on
nimble gale
I feel like merc is kinda nuts with the exposed on his 2nd 4th ability
drifting shore
a random thought while i was fighting scanvengers... they shoot projectiles?
laughs
micromachines son!
distant hound
for the final boss, I went in with a royal capacitor
that made the ||damage him to get items back|| much easier
analog karma
educate me, is visions of heresy good or bad on Artificer
nimble gale
depends on how much you hate arti's basic attack
analog karma
so it's a side-grade then I assume?
ivory depot
depends on how much you hate arti's basic attack
yes
analog karma
mmmk. I kinda hate visions tbh
dull ingot
analog karma
like, I won't even take it on some characters it's generally considered an upgrade on
dull ingot
godrun please
analog karma
also, bringing a recycler into the lunar shop is pretty good memes
dull ingot
artifact command room is broken
nimble gale
?
modest talon
how do i know if i will get the snow level
nimble gale
you don't
modest talon
is there a way to know for sure?
trail hollow
yes
nimble gale
there's a way to guarantee which level comes next
trail hollow
go to lunar shop and pick it
ivory depot
activate bazaar and buy the dream for the lvl you want
steady jewel
I don't know if it's already known, but when you use an ability when the 3rd hit of Merc's M1 starts, the 3rd slice still goes through and exploses enemies
The hitbox even moves with you for part of you dash
It's actually pretty fun to mess around with
fringe finch
what are the best items on acrid other than back ups?
tender raft
Depends on if you use blight or poison.
fringe finch
poison because blight is ass i thought
sullen peak
why not both
tender raft
They're both good in their own ways
dull ingot
mul t dies so easily late game 🤦🏿♂️
analog valley
anyone wanna do a glitch?
mild bolt
proper way to play captain xd
tender raft
You're missing out man
analog karma
@fringe finch I did a break down ages ago. You need something like 90 backup mags for blight to compete with the damage of poison stacks vs. bosses past the first stage
and blight barely competes with poison on stage 1
dull ingot
I just had a run where I got a legendary out of the artifact room and I chose 57 leaf clover
tender raft
Blight is actually really strong just taking one Purity
analog karma
I could see blight being a ton better with purity, but then you have to take purity
tender raft
While it's not the consistent damage that poison does, it's easily enough to let you keep 10x blight on any monster
dull ingot
that was the best mul t run ive had and I choked it
feels hard to get good runs on mul t
tender raft
Feels harder to get good Monsoon runs in general, at least for me.
tender raft
Sky Meadows always gives me elite elder lemurians, and they end up annihilating me :(
Even though I'm reaching the stage by 28-30 minutes
analog karma
Honestly, with scrappers I'm getting more consistent runs
dull ingot
try to beat stage 5 before 30
analog karma
I usually beat sky meadow in under 25 if possible, rarely happens but sometiems I make a 26
and that varies from run to run
runs where I get some pog stacks of Runald's and am melting bosses early are going to go faster than alternatives
analog karma
That's true
ivory depot
stop lying to yourself you dont actually play mult
analog karma
Mul-T just has a very uninspired kit
ivory depot
and lategame it just becomes m1 and thats it
analog karma
yeah. He's one of 3 left-click characters
tender raft
wdym, I play every survivor
drifting shore
i m1'ed the shit out of everything with everyone late game tho
dull ingot
i have advance mul t tech
analog karma
like, I think of my runs, I have the highest percentage of god runs on mul-t
because the boy just scales so much harder than every other survivor
ivory depot
Commando scales better you cowards
neat nacelle
i like engi because he is the only no click character once you get enough fungus
game just does its thing
neat nacelle
my god
ivory depot
commando is the true bungus boi
neat nacelle
big bungus boi
copper pawn
7318,ok ok
desert star
why is tesla back inside the void/evolution item pool i thought it got removed a long time ago
ivory depot
it never got removed
desert star
oh really
ivory depot
you must suffer
desert star
damn must have never got it and yeah im salty just ended my eclipse run cause 5x lens makers with tesla means your dead
ivory depot
i wonder why
idle cloud
So I've seen lots of conflicting things about Swarms affecting Sacrifice can anyone give me a definitive answer?
desert star
honestly no one knows
ivory depot
since there is a base drop chance for items itll be better early game btu will become around the same late game
idle cloud
so it's a net plus
desert star
how does soul work with sacrifice?
ivory depot
yeah pretty much
idle cloud
The Soul Wisps don't give exp so they won't drop items I believe
ivory depot
im pretty sure soul wisps dont give exp and therefore dont give items
desert star
make sense
analog karma
@idle cloud harb, our lord, has in teh past said it's based on the EXP value of the enemy. Swarms cuts it in half. So you get two rolls at half the chance
desert star
swarm + soul is fun for on kill builds
ivory depot
ACTUALLY it increases early game due to the base drop chance
it falls off pretty quickly but youll theoretically get a few more items
analog karma
and yeah, that's ignoring teh base chance
so, swarms would mean you overall probably get less items per "spawn", but you have a chance at each spawn giving you double items. It's overall probably slightly worse, if you ignore base drop chance
ivory depot
thats why you dont ignore the base drop chance
analog karma
well, I say that, to point out the difference is small anyway
so like, hypothetically, let's say a creatures has a 50% drop chance
ivory depot
its honestly not worth it tbh cause double dmg delt for like, 5, at MOST, more items.
it falls off very quickly
analog karma
it'd get lowered to 25% with swarms, but there'd be two
to get AT LEAST one item, you'd have a 43.75% chance
(if my math isn't quite right someone feel free to correct me)
so, overall you'll get less items. But the difference is very small
so if you consider base drop chance... probably a side-grade?
drifting shore
my sacrifice rng in the early stages are so bollocks that i've given up on the artifact
ivory depot
i dont really think its worth it but technically youd get a few more
analog karma
but yeah, you're paying in double enemies for a side-grade so no dice if you're trying to cheese
ivory depot
yeah
analog karma
HOWEVER
drifting shore
DAGA
drifting shore
first step, getting a sag dac
ivory depot
fair enough
small dragon
can anybody explain why i lost my shift and q as captain
ivory depot
you went to a secret stage
drifting shore
yes
small dragon
I went into gilded coast they are just gone
analog karma
because you're in a spooky place
small dragon
is that how it works now
ivory depot
its for continuity but its pretty stupid
drifting shore
it hasnt really bothered me as i dont go to the hidden realms anyway but i see how its dumb
ivory depot
cause they come from the ship and the ship aint there but apparently being in a cave or ON THE MOON is perfectly fine
small dragon
so it is only with captain?
ivory depot
yes
analog karma
cap'n can't access his ship in extradimensional spaces
ivory depot
because those abilities come from the ship
sullen peak
for his R he should board the ship and fire lasers from orbit
ivory depot
no
sullen peak
way cooler
ivory depot
hes a support character
kind of
and you want to remove his support ability?
sullen peak
yes
drifting shore
hes support...?
sullen peak
yep
drifting shore
i never take heal beacon, my teammates can suck it as i take all the items
sullen peak
at least he's supposed to be
ivory depot
i take one heal and one hack
void marsh
equipment beacon with preon is funny
analog karma
on the note of "you can go fast and still get items"
ivory depot
but i mean all of the rs are supportive unless you count the initial falling damage
drifting shore
https://i.imgur.com/ztVdyu2.png
they can kiss my early game advantage
i also had 2 drones...
ivory depot
i once had 3 drones lel
ivory depot
fear
drifting shore
sure seems like alot of effort
ivory depot
its not worth it but still
void marsh
you dropped the comedy accumulator
ivory depot
frick accumulator
void marsh
its fun with the resupply
drifting shore
royal capacitor ftw
ivory depot
frick resupply
void marsh
3 free recharges
ivory depot
also yes capacitor meta
sullen peak
royal capacitor is the best equip
void marsh
hehe capacitor go zap
sullen peak
prove me wrong
drifting shore
oh, im looking for a solution for how the hell to deal with groups of wisps as.. literally any characte rin the early game
ivory depot
gun
drifting shore
its quite unberable
analog karma
hol' up
ivory depot
gun
drifting shore
well sure i can only really pick off 1 at a time
ivory depot
GUN
analog karma
how do you have 3 microbots
drifting shore
vengeance
ivory depot
magic
sullen peak
comedy
ivory depot
shut up dont reveal the magic
drifting shore
but u have the artifacts shown in the screenshot
sullen peak
these are the names of the microbots
analog karma
how does vengeance get you more microbots?
ivory depot
yes this is canon
drifting shore
figure it out ;v
analog karma
reee
void marsh
action replay
ivory depot
the screenshot probably helps lel
sullen peak
lmao
ivory depot
it literally shows everything you need
drifting shore
mhm
ivory depot
artifact of comedy: you spawn on comedy island
analog karma
I assume Artifact of sacrifice is needed?
ivory depot
no
void marsh
you spawn on unfixed comedy island
ivory depot
that was just so i could get some extra items while i grinded so i may stand a chance once hte run actually starts
drifting shore
wont worth
ivory depot
also do note the only way to get hte microbot log is through getting a second microbot using this strat
modest talon
so i asked this before but can i ask this again?
Does editing my files to unlock all items/characters count as a vac ban scum bag cheater?
is that considered hacking?
sullen peak
why would you do that
ivory depot
youll generally be considered a cheater
modest talon
yeah im sure they do that
analog karma
actually, how many characters are there
ivory depot
thats kind of hte point of the game tho
to keep playing to unlock more stuff
robust oasis
Who misses him? 😦
sullen peak
the worst unlocks are arguably the skins
modest talon
anyways does it count as a VAC ban?
small dragon
there is no penalty
half cargo
I gave myself 10M lunar coins cuz I didn't want to do 3-4 runs just to do 1 speedrun attempt
analog karma
1 speedrun attempt
ivory depot
speedrun attempts require you to buy forced convergences
unless theres a category for no lunars
modest talon
whats the difference between vac bans and editing ur steam files to unlock items? can u get banned perma for them?
isnt it all the same? u still get the VAC ban on ur profile?
analog karma
no, the annoying part is that at any moment I could fuck up kip kip or whatever moon fuck is waiting for me in that whole or just blitz through loader 15 minutes on drizzle
ivory depot
yeah.
analog karma
I could do that consistently for days
ivory depot
yeah its easy to farm them but im lazy shut up
analog karma
well, where I'm going is
I could, so let's roleplay that I did and add a few thousand coins to my collection
OBVIOUSLY I'm a cheater
ivory depot
cheaters usually go a lot higher
analog karma
big numbers are unseemly next to small ones at the start of the game
dull ingot
They get a casual 999m coins
dull ingot
I worked hard for my 1k coins 
analog karma
plus, at the time I had all the achivements already so I was like "eh, reward for beating the game"
speaking of, lunar scavs give you a reward for beating the game, but does Mithy boy? I wasn't paying attention when I slapped him silly
dull ingot
You only beat the game if you have all achievements, and all items/stages on logbook
analog karma
environment logs were bugged at the time too :^)
certain tower things wouldn't spawn, ever
ivory depot
i dont actually know if mithy gives any lunars
ivory depot
im just missing two monster logs and sky meadows log
analog karma
and uh, trust me
I've done some memey "play rex and kill AWU every loop and go to every lunar shop to maximize clovers" runs
to get logs
I got mithy's log first time fighting him, I figured it was a guaranteed drop, then i realized it was only the first phase of his fight
ivory depot
ff
fossil island
So is it just me or have anyone else noticed that there is a red guaranteed on stage 1?
lunar cedar
you what
ivory depot
excuse me what
dull ingot
I've had friends who get reds almost every start of run
analog karma
new headstompers on artificer with ion surge
hmmmmmmmmmmm
lunar cedar
any tips for Mithril boi when he's doing the big succ ?
dull ingot
Burst his ass out
ivory depot
and boom you win
fossil island
Every round I play I always find a red on stage one inside a large chest
dull ingot
That's the only advice
ivory depot
yeah no you are just getting lucky
dull ingot
Also, the only thing he doesn't take is your utility
lunar cedar
i thought they give blue items or someshit
ivory depot
what
fossil island
well brb, ping me if I'm needed
analog karma
run away from the minigun
meanwhile I'm getting clay potted and slowed and one tick of the fucking minigun calls on an ATG that hits me with runalds and Kjaros and I fucking die again
I really hate the "steal all your items" shit
ivory depot
thats why you dont get hit
lunar cedar
brovidence gave me my gesture back at some point
dull ingot
Just don't get hit
ivory depot
honestly its intended to be an easy and cinematic phase but they kinda broke it by having him have the items
dull ingot
I have an extreme amount of lunar coins but I basically never use them
ivory depot
i havent experienced it myself but ive heard its notorious for oneshots
lunar cedar
oh shit. So picking engi wasn't a good idea if i wanna go Mithrix
analog karma
yeah, it's really annoying to get one-shot over, and over, and over trying to beat him
dull ingot
most lunar items are not worth taking
especially if u have fixes mod installed so gesture is nerfed
ivory depot
i mean ive easily seen phase 1-3 one shots but phase 4 has always been pathetic for me
lunar cedar
well I kinda get now the Shrine at the bridge then.
ivory depot
imagine using mods
lunar cedar
it fucks you over a bit, but then it fucks him over a bit as well
ivory depot
i dont use mods and the game is still really fun
analog karma
honestly, I thought engi would be good because enough fungus and those turrets are are basically indestructible... but mithrix hits really hard and I didn't feel like waiting that long for 20 fungus
dull ingot
They should bring back the quickplay
ivory depot
yeah, i like the lobby system but i want brainless multiplayer as well ell
dull ingot
Having both lobby and quickplay
twin marsh
Holy goddamn, Behemoth makes the captain's shotgun way more satisfying
fading socket
gives it a lot more punch
and screenshake
half cargo
You can also feed Mithril glass and destroy him that way
dull ingot
Captain is meant to have behemoth
jaunty coral
I'm starting to get frustrated with this goal to hit stage 20... am I just going too slow? I even turned on Sacrifice so I could run directly to the teleporter more instead of having downtime running around grabbing chests...
dull ingot
What are you trying to get?
ivory depot
alt r, im guessing
jaunty coral
Hit stage 20 with Commando with no lunar pickups, for the alternate R ability.
ivory depot
which is terrible
restive obsidian
how much bleeding can these mfs take
ivory depot
no i mean the challenge is easy but hte ability is terrible
jaunty coral
It's my completionist genes telling me to get all commando's unlocks before going to huntress Dx
small dragon
are you supposed to gain more microbots over time? ive only seen one
ivory depot
no
dull ingot
Have command artifact, it'll help you a lot to get 20 stages fast
jaunty coral
But.. I've lost like 8 hours worth of runs trying to do this >:
small dragon
weird because the description says passively gain microbots
dull ingot
I can carry you through if you want dude
ivory depot
that just means that if you say, scrapped it, youll get a new one
jaunty coral
I can carry you through if you want dude
@dull ingot Thanks, but it's okay. I gotta git gud eventually if I want to start getting the skin unlocks lol
twin marsh
@restive obsidian 404 blood not found
analog karma
I love that arti can just skip this whole stage tho
modest talon
nano bomb or charged spear
jaunty coral
so if I'm gonna "cheat" and turn on command then what am I looking for? 9 crit glasses, scythe, feather hat, then start stacking bears and repulsion plates while looking for damage in my greens?
jaunty coral
that's right, bleed got buffed hard
dull ingot
But nvm the command artifact. Keep playing cause you can't even reach 20 levels on easiest difficulty
fading socket
@modest talon depends
spear has the freeze effect, bomb can do more damage on full charge
modest talon
is multi good?
jaunty coral
things just get so hectic around 15 onward Dx
fading socket
he did get some pretty good buffs in 1.0
modest talon
what about the swing robot person is he good?
dull ingot
Loader
analog karma
Loader is hilarious
dull ingot
It's a SHE
modest talon
how do i play loader
analog karma
Loader will always be a top-tier character
dull ingot
Respect her pronouns
modest talon
what do i take here
silver ginkgo
moonson is required
royal phoenix
utility is a matter of preference
analog karma
Maybe you'd know what's good if you actually took the time to unlock this stuff and knew what anything meant :^)
dull ingot
I prefer the standard utility on loader.
modest talon
o
dull ingot
I enjoy the speed
modest talon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbX1MOWW0V4 i was checking out this person as well
royal phoenix
i prefer standard too, but some folks like thunder
dull ingot
Woolie
analog karma
Woolie has generally good insights
royal phoenix
Woolie's aight
but fun comes first and foremost
half cargo
thunder has more damage with a built in ukulele but if you like holding the charge the first one's better
dull ingot
You get banned for saying cringe in his stream
royal phoenix
but speaking of insights
did yall know that blast shower is actually good now
modest talon
Maybe you'd know what's good if you actually took the time to unlock this stuff and knew what anything meant :^)
who cares about unlocking shit risk of rain is for fun play and and keep looping
idgaf about unlocking stuff legitly
analog karma
Anyway
royal phoenix
the new meta is double-band blast shower gesture spam
dull ingot
There's no point of having first secondary on loader. The second is just better in every way btw
analog karma
For the secondary, the first one has longer range which means it's easier to use to build up speed for your shift
modest talon
do i just hook onto stuff and fly into them loader seems super hard
analog karma
However the second one just does damage
royal phoenix
loader is like the easiest character besides like commando or huntress
analog karma
and stuns, and is largely just fucking better
dull ingot
Clabong brings back memories from back then
royal phoenix
you point at thingy and thingy die
analog karma
BUT, I still prefer the longer range for zoom punches
modest talon
wtf i thought loader was the hardest
royal phoenix
new merc?
arti?
analog karma
Loader is super easy just unusual
dull ingot
Loader is not the hardest
analog karma
you want hard play uh
fading socket
yeah i still haven't gotten used to her
royal phoenix
Loader is just a ranged character but instead of shooting bullets she is the bullet
analog karma
probably arti
jaunty coral
One more question: stages that freeze the clock, does the scaling -actually- stop and it's safe to farm up there?
royal phoenix
Arti or Merc ye
modest talon
so this setup will suit me well?
fading socket
yes
dull ingot
Hardest is acrid imo.
ivory depot
honestly commando is the hardest unless you get lucky with your build
analog karma
Merc has 3000 million iframes. He's high-octane, not hard
fading socket
@jaunty coral yes
ivory depot
yeah just dont take acrid melee and you win
dull ingot
He scales bad through levels
analog karma
Acrid is bad but not hard
royal phoenix
Acrid ain't hardest to play
he just kinda sucks
ivory depot
hes not really fun either
dull ingot
Imagine going for melee acrid
royal phoenix
but your petty squabbles are beneath me
i main Mithrix
dull ingot
Acrid a lemurian you goblin
analog karma
... does mithrix double on swarms?
royal phoenix
ye
analog karma
hot
jovial mesa
Acrid mains rise up
lunar cedar
ifi Mithrix steals my Razor.. does that mean I kill myself ?
ivory depot
no razor and tougher times he doesnt use
lunar cedar
thank Ghor
royal phoenix
he might use razor
lunar cedar
and dio ?
modest talon
any loader mains here wanna give me the info to my eyes, whats my combo and what i should be doing
royal phoenix
he'll give the dio back before he dies
dull ingot
Imagine if you had 30 bears and he just steals and uses it
royal phoenix
your "combo" is running at enemies and punching them
lunar cedar
Goood to hear
analog karma
Okay, your "combo" is to Right click, drag yourself towards something to giain momentum while charging shift, then hit it fucking hard with shift
tired axle
@royal phoenix looks like more of a slap then a punch
dull ingot
Use grapple to gain speed, then press shift to gain SPEED BOOOOOST
royal phoenix
good start to my mithrix run
taking 10 seconds to kill a wisp
this guy needs better anti-air
analog karma
You'll know you did it right when you accidentally launch yourself across the entire map and did over half the boss' health on stage 1 with no items
analog karma
It feels pretty accidental when I gotta haul my ass back to the teleporter like a sad sack of shit
dim thicket
Void
First enemy: Bison
analog karma
but, funny
dim thicket
First Item: Hoof.
dull ingot
Well accidental for newbies, but after you used to her. Welp
dim thicket
They actually KO themselves.
royal phoenix
the fun is performing the S L A M on the AWU with merc
dull ingot
Jellyfish with crowbars and hoofs scary
dim thicket
Nah, it's actually easy mode, just dodge a bisons.
royal phoenix
it's like bullfighting
dim thicket
Yeah, I'm worried about everyone else.
royal phoenix
but there's 50 of them
analog karma
I have never once deleted AWU with merc bc I'm bad at merc
dim thicket
I wait 50% for one to show up.
royal phoenix
i only did it once accidentally
analog karma
I've done it like 20 times with Rex
fading socket
@dull ingot sometimes they move so fast that they start to explode and zoom right past me lol
definitely scary tho
royal phoenix
wonder if Mithrix's hammer can do the S L A M
fading socket
wouldn't it be funny if the bison running attack had the heavy property
dull ingot
One of the worse enemies you could get in void is blazing shrooms
royal phoenix
later in the run too, when they were elite
let me tell ya
nothin funnier than a bison charging at 60mph off a cliff, leaving a flaming trail behind like it's back to the future
modest talon
:feelsbad lol
modest talon
🤷♂️ idk i feel so slow
royal phoenix
never noticed before but uppercutting wisps with merc functions the same as S L A Mming them
modest talon
what do i do as loader when I hook onto stuff
royal phoenix
vengeance captain can't die i stg
he blocks every attack that isn't the shotgun
analog karma
is that, there was a similar uh, thing in RoR1, except instead of your doppelganger it was a imp overlords
dull ingot
First charge your punch. Grapple then just aim punch wherever
analog karma
there was also an item that can stop time though
analog karma
and if you stopped time at exactly 10 minutes, something like 30 imp overloards would show up
imagine that with Vengeance
royal phoenix
i'm boutta 1v1 Mithrix as mithrix
place your bets
modest talon
First charge your punch. Grapple then just aim punch wherever
o I see thats kinda hard to do with an xbox controller lol
dull ingot
What difficulty?
patent lava
How do you guys feel about cheating in coins
royal phoenix
Monsoon, no items
dull ingot
Bet lose
royal phoenix
bet
digital mortar
there's a shrine of order underneath one of the bridges in Commencement
tired axle
@analog karma i wish that was a thing
analog karma
@royal phoenix well you have no items so my money is on mithrix
tired axle
welp, you're dead
dim thicket
Yeppity yep
primal valley
so how does shatterspleen synergize with tritip dagger?
royal phoenix
if you crit and tritip procs, it's 2 bleeds
royal phoenix
kinda hard to notice in the middle of a fight
primal valley
yeah but tritip, only does 200% damage, does the shatterspleen change that to 240%?
royal phoenix
...no?
Spleen just adds more bleed
primal valley
oh wait tritip does 240 to lol my bad
dull ingot
shatterspleen the best
glacial birch
I don't get it. Why is tri tip a white item instead of a green item?
It's far too strong
and too easy to stack
dull ingot
Cause
royal phoenix
it used to be uh
less good
the bleed buffs sent it straight into SSS tier tho
aight so
no items mithrix 1v1
should i be allowed to heal inbetween phases, since he can?
wanton sable
I mean if your character can heal then probably
royal phoenix
dunno what you were trying to say there but i'll take that as a yes
tired axle
i just now realized that you're playing as mithrix
i thought you were actually doing a monsson no items run
royal phoenix
lol
i aint that good
tired axle
xD
analog karma
tri tip would be garbo though if it was green as is
royal phoenix
funny how the phase that gives me the most trouble as mithrix is actually phase 2
it's real hard to hit those chimeras
modest talon
can this combo be done on a xbox controller > Charge your utility > You grapple to a wall > Gain speed > then just let go of utility while facing a direction
analog karma
just do big aoe nuke
tired axle
try using your running attack
tired axle
agreed
royal phoenix
the damn things barely hit anything, and when they do hit, it does like 50 damage
tired axle
he's really underpowerd right now
primal valley
does anyone know how defient gouge works?
tired axle
@primal valley it doesn't on captain
royal phoenix
any time you interact with a shrine, it summons enemies like it's a combat shrine
no he's talking about the lunar
tired axle
fuck
royal phoenix
not the equip
primal valley
yeah, but ive noticed the more you have the more enemies spawn
tired axle
wrong item
royal phoenix
yeah idk how the stacking works
primal valley
like is there any statistics on it
glacial birch
They might be on the wiki. No guarantees though
royal phoenix
mithrix would be so much more threatening if he could jump ngl
dull ingot
But he does jump
glacial birch
Yeah mithrix is a sitting duck for artificer
dull ingot
technically
royal phoenix
yeah but like
real jumping
like i can when i'm playing as him
dull ingot
Then what the hell you call that part where he jumps into center then
Not a real jump? lmao
dull ingot
Sir, let's look at the meaning of jump
analog karma
Yeah, mithrix gets slapped by Arti, which automatically makes arti top-tier in my books
royal phoenix
he "jumps" like he's been shoved into one of those pneumatic tubes at the bank
glacial birch
Although as arti, I get slapped by the drones that 3 shot me
analog karma
but i can't play arti for the life of me so I got slapped by chimeras in my most recent attempt :c
royal phoenix
he jumps like augustus gloop jumped when he got sucked into the chocolate pipe
analog karma
especially with the wonky new right click
glacial birch
YEAH the chimeras are harder than the boss as arti
analog karma
while every character that isn't acrid or arty goes brr taking them down
modest talon
am I missing something here
royal phoenix
so much fun fighting phase 3 mithrix as mithrix
because that's the only time you also get to be phase 3 mithrix
modest talon
wtf is #3 and #4
analog karma
you sprint AFTER the hook, plebian, smh /s
Hook is right click
Jump and right-click your target so you start gliding toward them
royal phoenix
you jump
you hook the thing you wanna hit
you hit em with the dash
modest talon
yeah im def going back artificer my brain is hurting playing this class
analog karma
modest talon
fk this
royal phoenix
...arti is somehow easier?
analog karma
Like, I get that text can be hard to understand sometimes
modest talon
ofc i dont need to worry about swinging and doing complicated things
Like they make it so hard i dont why but its too complicated
analog karma
what is complicated about "right click your target, then let go of shift"
modest talon
what do you mean let go of shift?
dull ingot
They use controller
modest talon
Im using my utility for damage 99% of th etime what else is there to do? just auto attack and build damage
royal phoenix
...you point at the enemy and you hit the enemy
analog karma
console, mb
dull ingot
Lmao
royal phoenix
that's it
that's all loader is
analog karma
loader is literally just using grapple to fast and shift to use that speed for damage
dull ingot
Shift is utility on pc
royal phoenix
you look at the enemy
and then you fling yourself at them like a cracked up squirrel who just saw them stash an acorn in their pocket
analog karma
yeah, that's loader's entire playstyle
tired axle
what even are those metaphors
analog karma
they are the metaphors of individuals dumbfounded that someone can't understand the simplest character in the game
modest talon
how the hell am I suppose to use L trigger then use my finger and put that on left bumper to charge my fist
royal phoenix
wait mithrix can jump nvm
he just jumped over my slam
modest talon
what the hell
dull ingot
Just make it happen, you can do it. Ez clap
royal phoenix
just press buttons lol
analog karma
or remap your keybinds
dull ingot
Be a gamer
modest talon
does the grappling hook increase ur damage somehow or can I play without it/
tired axle
speed increases damage
narrow mica
it increases dmg cuz you're going faster
analog karma
break my fingers
is your left bumper under the controller? what?
tired axle
several people are typing...
royal phoenix
lessons have been learned
the ramp won't save you from the spinny lasers if you're mithrix
analog karma
did you die
narrow mica
imo she's fun cuz her mobility is amazing even at 0 items
modest talon
@analog karma no if i use left bumper then what do i do
ionic isle
So I'm running a combo of artifacts that I think is balanced and doesn't favor me. Can anyone spot me and see if they know a way this run can be broken. Artifacts: Enigma Metamorph Dissonance. Banned Items : crowdfunder, only lunars are beads convergeance thinking about adding in purity though.
analog karma
I mean, it's your game bruh
royal phoenix
this is just putting yourself at mercy to RNG
i like it
analog karma
it's not like there's some grand arbiters of game difficulty
olive verge
@modest talon you can one shot bosses by fling yourself at them, I use controller and can do it fine
modest talon
@olive verge wait throwing myself at enemies do damage?
tired axle
if you use the shift
royal phoenix
....bruh
royal phoenix
phase 4 time
modest talon
throw urself meaning u use the grapple hook?
olive verge
Yes
tired axle
ye
royal phoenix
grapple and dash
ionic isle
I understand that there isn't but somehow the community still holds god runs in high regards. Thanks @analog karma bethel for the actual feedback though
modest talon
how do you have time to grapple hook and charge ur attack
night marsh
so merc alternate r was kind of ass before but i was thinking it might be good if you use strides of heresy to counteract your new lack of iframes
modest talon
dont u gotta be super fast to do that?
olive verge
No
night marsh
you just grapple and charge
olive verge
If your using the first unlock
night marsh
the charge deals ridiculous damage
olive verge
Charge it up, then grapple
modest talon
this is what im using maybe the wrong spells?
modest talon
where do you grapple to
olive verge
The boss
royal phoenix
the enemy
analog karma
the enemy
chrome hedge
"grand arbiters of game difficulty" 😅
analog karma
and you jump
royal phoenix
oh hi ghor
runic finch
if there's a ceiling, a tree, or a flying enemy those are helpful grappling points
you can also grapple to your pylon, so you can throw it into a useful location in advance
olive verge
Or just the thug Your killing
analog karma
Or even just... jumping while grappling a beetle is better than nothing
royal phoenix
question: Blast shower refreshes the Band cooldowns. Is that intentional?
ivory depot
dangit i have a terrible equipment
runic finch
@royal phoenix yes
royal phoenix
nice
tired axle
really?
proven geode
i wish i could literally charge the pylons throw range
runic finch
yes
analog karma
wait, that's fucking huge brain
ionic isle
also the grand arbiters of difficulty on here would likely also be the whiny baby gaming journalists that thought sekiro needed an easy mode
tired axle
so that item has a use now
analog karma
I thought the gesture blast shower was a meme
royal phoenix
had a great run yesterday as huntress with gesture blast showers
night marsh
but uhh yeah opinions on merc alt R + strides of heresy
does it sound decent, would it need anything else
analog karma
I feel my mind expanding already
royal phoenix
well his blinding assault is kinda weird now so it's not like you'd lose much
primal valley
Oh what the fuck, the spawn director decided 2 greater wisps on the first level was a great idea
royal phoenix
f
olive verge
I’m not the used to discord, how do you put the tag that shows your main?
analog karma
Guys, somehow the developers made Rusted Key AND Blast Shower useful this patch without reworking them.
olive verge
Dude
languid yarrow
claw mode engaged
modest talon
since u said charge ur grapple hook and punch/
olive verge
It’s very easy
runic finch
@olive verge check #role-assignment
olive verge
I use the same controller
modest talon
I just dont understand how u can charge ur hook and punch at the same time
dim thicket
mini mush's are worse than crabs.
night marsh
are you capable of the motor function of holding down two buttons at once
dim thicket
I swear to fucking god.
olive verge
Use a finger to grapple, the other to charge
analog karma
I get mini mush's every time I go to void fiels
royal phoenix
call this a pro gamer move
primal valley
holy im looking at the new blast shower effects, and wow that is pretty great, neutrilizes all Projectiles. DOTs and Debuffs
runic finch
I definitely can see it being uncomfortable and a way to get hand cramps. Rebinding the controls is an available option
modest talon
ok so i was right u need both fingers to charge at the same time which is super not comfy
tired axle
nice @royal phoenix
dim thicket
Yeah, and they plan a fucking tactical nuke.
modest talon
ok def going back to merc then or artificer lol
languid yarrow
Since playing Halo, I've always enjoyed mapping jump to one of the bumpers
olive verge
I definitely can see it being uncomfortable and a way to get hand cramps. Rebinding the controls is an available option
I do it all the time and it dosent cause cramps, I don’t get what’s wrong
runic finch
different folks have different hands
olive verge
Try
analog karma
it'd be weird if we all shared the same two hands
olive verge
Tru*
royal phoenix
ye my hands are kinda weak
modest talon
well i play lots of mMO's and stuff but i dont get how ur suppose to grapple hook and charge
its so weird
royal phoenix
it feels a lot better on keyboard yeah
olive verge
Just a) use the same finger or b) use your middle and index
night marsh
i don't play on controllers with anything so
polar anvil
hi ghor
jaunty coral
Wait blast shower is good now?
runic finch
if we had support for individual survivor input bindings loader would definitely have a different default. The game is primarily built around keyboard and mouse, so usually as loader you're grappling with the mouse and charging your punch with the shift key.
tired axle
yeah
royal phoenix
refreshes runald and kjaro
analog karma
Even reaching down to tap control is sometimes a 🤔 but uh, playing this game so much I occasionally just randomly slap control when playing other games
royal phoenix
playing DS and Sekiro so much i keep middle clicking bosses to try and lock-on to them
night marsh
conveniently my sprint key is also my push to talk key
analog karma
How hard would such a feature be to add, Ghor?
night marsh
it's a rhythm that i've personally become acquainted to
analog karma
I assume probably bigger than it sounds to someone who doesn't know a dang thing about coding
modest talon
people that play loader must have a PHD brain/keyboard or some kind of alien level fingers
runic finch
a bit painful, mainly because we'd need to figure out a UI solution
modest talon
im amazed people paly this class
runic finch
UI stuff is usually the worst part of adding new features
olive verge
I mean once you get used to it it isn’t that hard
analog karma
Interesting
royal phoenix
yeah i'm not sure i see a clean way of integrating individual survivors into the UI
jaunty coral
What makes rusted key better now though? It's always been a free red every stage long as it's stacked high enough