Sits on procs less than captain?
#gd2-nullified
polar anvil
deep veldt
the only downside i have with captain is that he does so much damage that he will oneshot weak enemies making onhits less useful
robust stump
nah
mellow dagger
ok his shotty feels 1 procc for sure - even .75 is insane
robust stump
i think that's intentional though
median fox
Huh, ya know whats interesting
about captains passive drone i mean
its actually not a total defence from projectiles
deep veldt
also anyone else noticed how captain wears crit glasses its better than huntress
median fox
yes i have
mellow dagger
yeh, and i find myself only really using the orbital strike and support beacons for tp fights and if you gonna fight twiptwip you better have items anyways
median fox
i love captain with glasses
deep veldt
the shift on captain is op
polar anvil
The only item visuals i care about are meat and hammer in acrid's mouth
robust stump
personally i struggle to get through stage 5 with captain when relying on RNG
west bolt
i care about getting glasses on engis turrets
robust stump
as in not using command
median fox
Once mods start working again i think im gonna test what happens if you add like 100 syringes to captain
deep veldt
lol
median fox
cause i bet he'll turn into a semiauto slug launcher
deep veldt
syringes aint great on cap
polar anvil
Yeah
robust stump
? syringes are good on captain im not gonna pass one up
polar anvil
Syringes are good on cap
deep veldt
i guess
median fox
True but they do speed up how fast his spread decreases
deep veldt
i mean i havnt really gotton syringes yet
polar anvil
Yes
robust stump
holding the mouse doesn't add more damage it just thins the shots
median fox
i dunno if its just my imagination but i think they also make his defence drone block projectiles faster
robust stump
so syringe isnt bad
polar anvil
15 syringes made it semiauto slug rifle already
deep veldt
ooh
robust stump
yeah it scales with attack speed
polar anvil
@median fox it does
polar anvil
You don't know the scaling
deep veldt
i guess
polar anvil
Syringe printer stage 1
deep veldt
not great
robust stump
i mean
keen nymph
stage 1 printers are ass
polar anvil
really helpful
deep veldt
i mean a syringe printer when u have loads of items
median fox
Honestly my fave part about captains drone is...
robust stump
if i see a syringe printer stage 1 and i got like. warbanner or something thats a free syringe
drifting shore
i have greatly udnerestimated how long it takes for captain to pirate a legendary chest
polar anvil
You'd have enough block already i think
median fox
It can completely shut down malachite enemies
deep veldt
you should be able to recycle scrap with the recycler to higher teir scrap
median fox
even their ground based AOE's get deleted by the drone
polar anvil
Scrap scrap scrap
robust stump
if you scrap scrap wouldnt you just get worse scrap
deep veldt
prob
polar anvil
Yes
fleet cedar
refined scrap
deep veldt
it deletes it
edit: idk if it does
polar anvil
Gray scrap
robust stump
anyway yeah i do think that if a run isnt looking good by stage 4 with captain its probably worth just resetting
deep veldt
allies can gain microbots right?
polar anvil
Think so
tired axle
drones can
median fox
Actually it even deletes the Malachite eye thing that spawns on the death of a Malachite which is fun
tired axle
not sure about beetles and stuff @deep veldt
median fox
Im more curious of how his drone interacts with umbras
deep veldt
microbots are items so i wanna see what happens if u forcespawn microbots onto engi and place down turrets
polar anvil
Captain vs captain with 100 syringes would probs be infinite fight
median fox
Well im boutta test cap v cap right now to see how that works
deep veldt
wasnt merc meant to get an alternate shift?
polar anvil
@deep veldt you can do that in co-op,if you kill captain umbra without cap having any items
polar anvil
You host
deep veldt
k
median fox
Ya know i just noticed that the soldier syringes have a drip effect
Huh, dunno if that was just a bug but i think they removed the boss HP bar for Umbras
still needle
forest fog
Hey I'm on the Moon and I think I'm stuck please help I have no idea how to get up
quick raven
Rip run
still needle
try to fall as close to the point you wanna get to as possible
i got stuck too and i tried this and after a few attempts it teleported me where i wanted to be
arctic terrace
death mark is useless
still needle
yes
maiden flare
is it possible to enable cheats mid run
merry pagoda
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/402082789266030592/743105778998575124/unknown.png man this is easily the worst void i've ever had
cerulean needle
Is it just me or did merc get hit pretty hard from this patch
pallid thorn
i think he's about the same.
west bolt
his life regen is terrible, its really bad
forest fog
@still needle I keep appearing at the Cauldron shop, different jump spots for the same result ://
west bolt
went form 2.5 to 1
pallid thorn
its more that strong enemies with high helth are more common now.
cerulean needle
Probably just havnt maximized the autos debuff
but yeah his survivability esp early sucks ass
quick raven
Captain on other hand is hella lack luster
west bolt
if you dont get any heal items at stage one, your kinda fucked
pallid thorn
oh yea./
quick raven
I don’t think I’ve been able to use his secondary ability at all
cerulean needle
Also still hard to get used to rmb cancelling dash
tired axle
@forest fog which character?
forest fog
Capt'n
west bolt
only place where i use captains rightclick is in void fields
pallid thorn
my main problem is that the captain sucks.
still needle
@forest fog what you could do then is try to find a mobility item and trade for it at the cauldron
quick raven
Captain does suck pretty bad lol
cerulean needle
Captain seems really cool in design
pallid thorn
he needs an r cooldown badly.
tired axle
minimun items to get across are 2 energy drinks and 1 hopoo @forest fog
forest fog
Unless the Interstellar Desk Plant is a mobility item, there aren't any here @still needle
pallid thorn
it hurts him to not have freedom of choice.
still needle
then ur run is fucked
tired axle
are you in multiplayer?
forest fog
Single
still needle
he is not
still needle
u need a double jump or fly
tired axle
yeah
tired axle
i don't think so
buoyant thicket
minimum items to make it is 2 energy drink 1 hopoo feather with no mobility
toxic marten
which is bs
tired axle
indeed
maiden flare
how the fuck did this get through qa testing
pallid thorn
i dont know.
buoyant thicket
it’s more bs that the island exists but yea
robust tangle
you can also have 2 hopoo feather right?
tired axle
probably didn't test it
toxic marten
Literally hardlocked if you don't have enough movement
tired axle
@robust tangle yeah
drifting shore
in defense of softlock island, i feel like players were intended to know what they were getting themselves into.. and seek items accordingly
toxic marten
@drifting shore no
buoyant thicket
yea 2 hopoo works but I was talking minimum items
maiden flare
no
pallid thorn
the new level is a mess, the new character has so many flaws, the boss is a big what. its bad.
maiden flare
can you enable cheats mid run
forest fog
Yeah my Reds are Meat Hook, Disc, Plant, Behemoth :'//
pallid thorn
a softlock is a softlock, noobtrap or not.
maiden flare
kinda just wanna noclip back to main island
buoyant thicket
@drifting shore don’t try to justify a soft lock
drifting shore
i know the execution of the idea isnt good, but it does sound nice in theory
still needle
this update was a bit underwhelming for the amount of time it took to come out
pallid thorn
it needed a delay.
still needle
but at least we got actually good yellow items and the voodoo doll
drifting shore
i absolutely will justify the idea of softlock but not necessarily how it has happened
buoyant thicket
the bongo is also fun despite the fact it doesn’t work on cap
quick raven
Voodoo doll is cool
buoyant thicket
I HIGHLY doubt that the soft lock was intended meaning you shouldn’t justify it
drifting shore
probably not intended
pallid thorn
@drifting shore so your run can just go on indefinitely because you had no idea you weren't able to get off an island with cauldrons as bait and say "yea thats fine and fun for everyone involved."
tired axle
voodoo is my favorite item now
buoyant thicket
I think the scrapper is amazing
tired axle
i agree
buoyant thicket
this update has a few major flaws but overall i think it’s a good update
pallid thorn
almost everything has problems but the boss to be quite honest.
captain has no kit in hidden realms.
drifting shore
i'll just go.. hardcore devils advocate
yes, i think if people did not know what they were getting into, be it ignorance, or blind first run
it is reasonable for them to be doomed to fail
tawdry kindle
I scrapped a red item by accident
drifting shore
it might not be fun but hey, wise'd up '
buoyant thicket
@drifting shore I think the boss being immensely strong is more of a way to show that instead of a fucking softlock
tired axle
yeah
pallid thorn
@drifting shore so is getting capacitor'd by a random spawn justifiable if it can end a run without warning and instantly a good thing?
tawdry kindle
rex R skill makes the final boss a joke
dull ingot
is artificer still bad
pallid thorn
yes.
dull ingot
oof
buoyant thicket
Engineer makes the boss a joke too
cunning topaz
Tbh, Idrc that captain is bad solo, he seem fine in multiplayer from what I’ve played
drifting shore
yeah actually, its a roguelike after all
things can screw u over withotu warning
suddenly people are not on board with dying and restarting
toxic marten
are you stupid
pallid thorn
because you cant do anything about it.
drifting shore
i thought that was a staple of the genre
toxic marten
???
pallid thorn
thats why theres a problem.
cunning topaz
Roguelikes usually kill you in ways you can mitigate with player skill
steady kettle
i love having to die and restart when it is completely and utterly not my fault
pallid thorn
a staple isn't unfair instant death, you can usually do SOMETHING about it.
cunning topaz
Sometimes you get RNG-fucked in any roguelike, but you can usually outplay any given scenario
dull ingot
have you ever played spelunky?
drifting shore
tbh, yes i'd say going in there withou proper mobility is your fault
jolly seal
tbh, yes i'd say going in there withou proper mobility is your fault
@drifting shore you dont always get mobility
drifting shore
that is true
steady kettle
lol level design balancing around items in a game where items are random
buoyant thicket
@drifting shore getting killed by a strong enemy or getting killed by a boss you don’t understand is a staple of the genre not getting softlocked you dumbfuck
jolly seal
even if someone makes it to the boss but there is someone stuck on the island the boss will not start
robust tangle
imagine not playing merc
buoyant thicket
are you the host @jolly seal
jolly seal
i was yeah
drifting shore
oh my, multiplayer sounds particularly rough
lucid plank
See, the thing is that getting killed by an ENEMY instantly would be fine. The game teaches you that enemies are dangerous. The issue is that the game teaches you that falling is fine. Secret area in the wetlands? Fall through it. Get punted off the edge of the first stage? No big, just teleport back with a moderate head injury. Every other stage at every other point in the game lets you get back to someplace navigable if you fuck up your platforming.
cunning topaz
Plus, a softlock isn’t a teaching mechanism intended by the devs
drifting shore
i can concede to that as well
buoyant thicket
they can quit and rejoin and be on the main island @jolly seal
toxic marten
no one
jolly seal
how could you not just "ok is this possible WITHOUT movement items?"
undone crest
@buoyant thicket one of my buds did that was put in as a spectator.
jolly seal
no we have to push out this update now
drifting shore
my moon horror story is having the mobility to reach the boss but not having the mobility to leave the boss
that was...something
jolly seal
yeah exactly
pallid thorn
"no delays just ride out your flagship update no biggie" - the devs, probably.
jolly seal
thats fucking stupid
north echo
So they didn't patch softlock island yet?
tired axle
nope
oak ferry
Lobbies don't have kick?
jolly seal
no im still shitting and farting and coping
drifting shore
its been less than a day
buoyant thicket
there’ll be fixes and changes in the near future and then everything will be fine
drifting shore
that bounce pad is work in progress probably
jolly seal
lol
undone crest
i mostly just feel like the last stage shouldve been more of an actual stage.
pallid thorn
almost all of the terrain in the last level needs a redo.
north echo
the last level is fine other than the island
jolly seal
1 year for what exactly?
oak ferry
i mean, it's a boss stage, not a stage stage
undone crest
idk for me it didnt have any of the charm the ues contact light had.
the boss was cool. but the stage? white
tired axle
i kinda agree
pallid thorn
"i like blue rocks"
pulsar pecan
any alternatives to runalds for death mark? the changes to the band make it no longer useful for constant death mark procs
buoyant thicket
for me it was very cool, i loved how they went with a super bleak look to show how empty the land is
and the music is so fucking good
toxic marten
I was half asleep fighting the boss
cunning topaz
Yeah I like the aesthetic, it IS the moon after all
undone crest
thats a fair point, it is supposed to be bleak i guess
oak ferry
Can you shred Captain's drone?
robust tangle
he’s meant to be king of nothing the moon should be bland and boring
drifting shore
like shove the drone into a 3d printer? yeah
buoyant thicket
yes you can shred it and it gives you a new one
oak ferry
No, SHRED it
drifting shore
scrap it..?
oak ferry
thats too OP
pallid thorn
nah, its a good item.
buoyant thicket
yes it needs a fix
undone crest
idk, if they were gonna have a lead up to the boss it shouldve been an actual lead up. not a 3 minute walk with three bad guys along the way
drifting shore
kinda..? i dont run into legedary printers often enough to make use of a red scrap
tired axle
yeah
toxic marten
The lol item steal move on the boss is annoying, if you have literally any DoT effect items you're dead. Of course you can circumvent that by bursting the boss before he steals them but the first time I was PISSED when it happened.
pallid thorn
the item itself invalidates two bosses, and multiple enemies.
arctic terrace
when game keeps giving u defensive item
toxic marten
I literally just closed the game at that point
arctic terrace
fuck
oak ferry
When you hit him during that stage you get items back, but not fast enough imo, you get like maybe 5 or 6 by the time the fights over
jolly seal
dude just pick up feathers and energy drinks its that easy
pallid thorn
quick, AGING CONTEST.
cunning topaz
Oh uh where do you give yourself character roles?
drifting shore
#role-assignment maybe?
cunning topaz
Oh completely missed that channel lol
drifting shore
its been.. changed
pallid thorn
is it just me or are captains alternative ult options funtionally pointless?
drifting shore
in ways thati dont like lol
oak ferry
free legendary chest
arctic terrace
what why
dull ingot
whats the best loadout for rex
tired axle
the hack is good @pallid thorn
arctic terrace
is holding space for flight not good?
buoyant thicket
hack and heal are the best ones
arctic terrace
then how lol
pallid thorn
well yes but you sacrifice a LOADOUT SLOT to get a single legendary.
oak ferry
so they made milky extra useless lol
drifting shore
just.. idk, aim ur camera upwards i guess
cunning topaz
What are the alternate captain skills? Haven’t gotten them yet
arctic terrace
thats fucking retarded
oak ferry
@pallid thorn you sacrifice for free chests period
buoyant thicket
milky is VERY useful against the boss
arctic terrace
its like effigy tier trash now
drifting shore
oh it has its uses, like on the moon
lmao
pallid thorn
@oak ferry but you could have more healing or power in your setup and just farm instead.
arctic terrace
stacking feathers might even be better at this point
oak ferry
I'd assume it's for speed > utility
buoyant thicket
stacking feathers and taking another equipment was always better imo
oak ferry
get through stages faster with more items
pallid thorn
i suppose? but that seems needlessly risky.
arctic terrace
at least with old milky u could kite and cheese
buoyant thicket
but like just use black hole and kill them all
pallid thorn
on such a low mobility character i find that just walking around i end up getting more gold than chests on a direct and efficcent path through each stage.
and with two healing you could kite AND heal.
buoyant thicket
or preon and destroy them, or sawmerang for big groups
you could also take elephant for more defense
pallid thorn
or you could hellfire if you hate them not social distancing.,
pallid thorn
eccentric vase for just going places... and coming back.
at this point its just better.
wintry shuttle
Captain's hack is good for grabbing a couple chests at the start of a stage, hacking the RC-COLA-Drone, and hacking legendary chests
and, I guess, buying drones at a distance, as you don't have to go over there to collect them as you would an item
left vector
Kinda wish tge ult had a larger radius though
pallid thorn
i wish it had a cooldown and he had a fourth ability for more than 2% of the game.
wintry shuttle
It will straight up buy them for you. It does take time, but not really a lot. Just haul ass to the legendary chest at stage 4-1 and plop it and it'll be ready in a couple minutes
pallid thorn
so... in the time it would take to just farm the chest... you could wait and buy the chest.
why?
wintry shuttle
It speeds up the run. You buy other chests instead
left vector
Still, capt has more power in his M1 than most survivors have in a spread out kit
pallid thorn
debatable.
tired axle
you can farm for others @pallid thorn
wintry shuttle
If you get to stage 4 fast, it's sometimes not worth farming the legendary due to time loss
There's not really a debate
fickle vale
I like using it for things that you can go back to, or purchase during a teleporter.
or gold chest for red item
wintry shuttle
Unless you give a reason 🙂
pallid thorn
his m1 has a high base damage, it seems to fall off. my loader freind did more damage in his whole kit than point blank shotty machinegun with crit.
wintry shuttle
Loader is still the queen of damage though
left vector
Are you picking up crit and on hit items?
pallid thorn
engineer bleed build was a better low health targets than his shotty.
fickle vale
loader is literally built for melee tank and bursty damage.
wintry shuttle
His m1 is still really solid. Only problem is your finger breaks off halfway through the run due to over-clicking
left vector
He seems to have a higher chance to proc or at least it feels like it
pallid thorn
it is.
its normal proc on a pellet by pellet basis.
its also hitscan, and a crit affects the whole shot.
fickle vale
I sense a good bleed build here
vocal mason
isn't there a challenge for activating six turrets?
pallid thorn
yes.
vocal mason
alive at once or just in one run?
thick crystal
well I tried the doll + Soulbound catalyst ... don't do it
pallid thorn
dont know,.
left vector
Oh yeah, he's rediculous with a bit of crit and the new imp lord item
dull ingot
holy fucking shit
they made this game so much goddamn harder
5 mins per stage is no longer doable
pallid thorn
"i have more nothing AHAHAHAHAH"
drifting shore
doll and soulbound is my favorite new busted enablers :v
dull ingot
i was basically invincible with Aegis + Rejuv Rack + Captain and double healing beacon until i ran into a malachite and then it was G O O D B Y E
thick crystal
It freeze too much infinite doll at some point
buoyant thicket
Mired urn and opinion is dumb
pallid thorn
mired urn is dumb.
tired axle
just don't pick gestures @thick crystal
dull ingot
my HP was a constant 1800 if i stood in my beacons but outside of that i was mega dead
by the way are people just running double healing beacons on captain or
thick crystal
sure ... but I like gesture D:
shut atlas
Please Forgive Me builds are fun
pallid thorn
he has poor alternatives @dull ingot
tired axle
yeah
fickle vale
does that item work with the ghors tome?
shut atlas
gesture + soul bound catalyst + a few fuel cells and your game go crash
wintry shuttle
IMO - I don't like Captain because his best loadout is 'hack' and something else, and being dependent on getting 3-1 or 4-1. If he doesn't have the option to abuse his hack ability, then he doesn't really offer a whole lot. Well, besides probably the best m1 in the game for raw damage assuming you have a robotic finger.
robust stump
just had to quit out of a run because the teleporter was literally in such a bad spawn i couldn’t even see the particles
thick crystal
1 gesture + soulbound + the doll your game freeze enough already
robust stump
i spent 8 minutes looking for the tp it wasn’t worth continuing it was so bad
pallid thorn
what stage,
robust stump
guess
pallid thorn
i dunno theres a lot of stages.
fickle vale
what's soulbound again?
pallid thorn
on kill recharge equip.
thick crystal
kill reduce activable cd
robust stump
the third stage that’s not the snow one
fickle vale
oh....
pallid thorn
it was IN A CAVE.
robust stump
worst state in the game aside from swamp by the way i hate it
pallid thorn
the best spot in the game!
dull ingot
i havent tried the hack beacon but i dont think its gonna be useful?
robust stump
absolutely not
dull ingot
like money isnt necessarily an issue
robust stump
it was such a good run too i just got fucked cause of bad tp spawn rng
pallid thorn
its not that bad.
dull ingot
dude Wetland Aspects and Infernal level are tied for "WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TP OH MY GOD 5 MINUTES OF MY RUN GONE LOOKING FOR THIS BUM ASS TELEPORTER"
thick crystal
idk what to take as captain beacon yet ... equipable one seems useless ...
pallid thorn
just go up top or go into the cave.
drifting shore
HACK
dull ingot
im running double heal because its a 20% heal per second
patent lava
I just do 2x health
vocal mason
his beacon is kinda boring tbh
mental crater
Its useful for abys gold chest and getting the big drone without neglecting looting the rest of the stage or waiting too long
robust stump
“into the cave” we are not talking about the same stage
the third stage that’s not the snow one
pallid thorn
well WHAT STAGE,.
robust stump
i forget what it’s called
drifting shore
his heal space is kinda small
and im n ot a fan of sitting around :c
thick crystal
yeah but 20% heal is kinda useless too
dull ingot
whats hilarious is that the beacon does damage upon landing so i usually fucking chuck it directrly on the boss and wail
main cobalt
Scorched acres
robust stump
yes
thick crystal
i do damage with them too
dull ingot
you dont need to sit around, you kinda just run around
pallid thorn
oh, its in the top platform.
patent lava
It can be a godsend first loop but then they all fall off
robust stump
thanks! it wasn’t
dull ingot
and if you get rejuv rack or aegis you are set but i do agree they fall off hard
vocal mason
I have crit and harvester's scythes, so if I get a crit as captain it counts as 8 crits for the heal lol
mental crater
Stun stays useful
pallid thorn
sometimes it can spawn behind one of them or in front of the crystal so the particals dont show well @robust stump
thick crystal
I did a run and after 40 minutes i was like "Oh yeah I have beacons"
dull ingot
the stun one is kinda mediocre cos it doenst affect bosses
patent lava
I'm pretty sure healing items are affected by proc coefficient
dull ingot
and like the tase speed is way too fucking low
mental crater
Do any stuns affect them?
robust stump
either way i ran around for 8 minutes then quit because there’s no point continuing that run
dull ingot
negative
mental crater
I see most enemies entering the stun field get locked in there
patent lava
So it would be 8x(bullet x proc coefficient)
robust stump
that’s my main issue with scorched acres is like. if you get a bad tp spawn you gotta quit or find it fast
pallid thorn
no.
dull ingot
wetland aspects + scorched acres are the maps that fuck me the hardest for TP spawns
buoyant thicket
or just learn the spawn locations
vocal mason
I think you guys care too much about time too
dull ingot
i have a rough idea of where the TP spawns are but i keep getting surprised
robust stump
^
pallid thorn
thats never the case. go island - top back - top far. always find it.
and check the middle.
buoyant thicket
also can u not see the huge amount of yellow particles?
pallid thorn
yea i can.
robust stump
that’s fun when you’re playing captain with 0 mobility items
thick crystal
captain free red scrap is fun tho
robust stump
“huge amount” that’s what im saying there weren’t any particles
mental crater
Time makes and breaks runs @vocal mason
dull ingot
i would honestly never scrap the active protection system
pallid thorn
there were, they dont show well there.
dull ingot
its way too good
buoyant thicket
you don’t need mobility to get to any tp that’s a u problem mate
vocal mason
well yea but don't take 8 minutes
thick crystal
you get it back every stage
robust stump
its not about getting to a TP its about saving time
thick crystal
so you scrap it get a red scrap then get bots back
dull ingot
@thick crystal oh shit aight
pallid thorn
then do a lap damnit!
robust stump
i did a lap and lost 5 minutes but aight
oak ferry
So instead of going to the moon, how do I just keep going
dull ingot
@oak ferry touch the outside rims of the teleporter first
pallid thorn
touch the ring.
oak ferry
eh?
pallid thorn
it can be changed.
dull ingot
you know how theres a "ring" around the Primordial teleporter
pallid thorn
touch the things around the tp.
dull ingot
press E on it, and it should say aligning with <not the moon>
pallid thorn
it goes back to start.
buoyant thicket
I personally think scorched acres has really easy spawns to learn as the map is pretty linear
dull ingot
scorched acres doesnt mess me up anymore but wetlands still does occcasionally
robust stump
wetland doesnt mess me up at all its just scorched
idle copper
does doppelganger also have your equipment
dull ingot
also goddamn even rainstorm mode is hard as fuck, or maybe captain just isnt that good cos i cannot make 5 mins per stage anymore
maybe i need to go even faster
pallid thorn
@idle copper yes.
buoyant thicket
I find wetlands really tough
vocal mason
I go longer than 5 minutes per stage and I'm doing fine
7 minutes is my max that I allow myself to take
robust stump
wetland is pretty easy for me since it's a pretty small map
buoyant thicket
scorched acres is smaller than wetlands
robust stump
scorched acres is a pretty big map where teleporters can spawn practically under the map so i dont like it
pallid thorn
acres is smaller.
robust stump
it feels bigger
idle copper
^
dull ingot
well they did make the game harder as a whole so
arctic terrace
lmao holyfuck there people actually liking the new bands like what it's legitimately worse in every way, same damage, long cd and a threshold gate
idle copper
movement is less available in acres due to the bridges
arctic terrace
i can't even comprehend this
idle copper
wetland you have 30 ways to get anywhere
pallid thorn
and not under, its so easy to find it. just look in all 3 low spots.
drifting shore
new bands no bueno 
dull ingot
@arctic terrace theyre all MULT mains in disguise
robust stump
? bands arent even that bad theyre just situational LOL
dull ingot
the new bands suck ass on captain so i scrap them asap
goodbye wedding vows, you will become nice ATG missiles
sinful anvil
I love the concept of the bands but the cd is kinda weird
robust stump
@dull ingot ..? they proc on the orbital strikes doe
sinful anvil
Still, if it had no CD it'd proc off of itself
arctic terrace
they are just bad, like worse than their original
dull ingot
how are bands going to hit flying targets as captain
tired axle
it's supposed to be a nerf @arctic terrace
dull ingot
exactly
old ledge
New bands are good on characters who have tons of strong hits on command. Like Artificer.
robust stump
....?????? ryer i JUST said
old ledge
But on say commando, they're pretty eh
dull ingot
the fuckers cant even stay still long enough for you to orbital strike them
robust stump
orbital strike procs flying enemies my dude just use it on a flying enemy and shoot them into it
arctic terrace
i mean missles is better than band in every way now
dull ingot
yes i know orbital strike procs bands but why bother when you can have literally anything else and itll be better
robust stump
better yet why are you using bands on flying enemies to begin with
sinful anvil
It's different now, before it didn't have a proc chance itself so it couldn't proc off of itself but now it procs off of damage, not proc chance
pallid thorn
what.
robust stump
bands aren't that bad you're just too used to having that free damage
old ledge
...also i feel that dropping a probe on a boss with both bands will be very profitable.
arctic terrace
yeah then put the change as a nerf in the patch notes, not pretend it was a sidegrade
pallid thorn
@sinful anvil it was a proc chance of 7% before, shared between the two.
dull ingot
yes...bands got nerfed...so im no longer to use them
thats kinda how a meta works lmao
buoyant thicket
they aren’t pretending it’s a side grade lul
pallid thorn
and thats a problem for everyone but artiface and loader.
arctic terrace
and chrysalis is also nerfed hard
pale roost
The band change is really sweet for Arti
robust stump
i never used it to begin with
pallid thorn
i see the problem here.
arctic terrace
its already not a common equipment that people use now literally no one will use it
sinful anvil
Everyone else already had good items, arti and loader had what? Focus crystals and crowbars?
dull ingot
MULT + rebar + band == always proc
arti had fuck all, loader has focus and crowbars and general movespeed items
oak ferry
Is there a list of the new lunars? I'm not completely sure what they do
buoyant thicket
there’s 3 new ones I think
arctic terrace
lol now people will just pick missles over bands now lmao
pallid thorn
the problem is that not everybody can use it now. removing item diversity on multiple characters is not helping improve it, and that was the point of the update.
dull ingot
Defiant Gouge, Mercurial Rachis, Purity
oak ferry
What's the lunar with the hammer and.... Bat? Paddle?
dull ingot
Defiant Gouge makes all shrines summon enemies a la shrine of combat
vocal mason
gouge spawns enemies at every shrine
dull ingot
thats defiant gouge, hammer and paddle
sinful anvil
There shouldn't be, but one of them reduces skill cd's by 2 and works like a reverse 57 leaf clover, one of them spawns an entity that boosts everyones damage in it and one makes every shrine ALSO a combat shrine
vocal mason
Mercurial Rachis spawns the damage boost area, it's underwhelming
dull ingot
Mercurial rachis resembles a dinosaur spine
pallid thorn
it ended a run by spawning many, may bosses.
sinful anvil
It's pretty weird that instead of adding a new item they changed an old one to fit a niche, but i welcome that
pallid thorn
i dont.
buoyant thicket
Bands aren’t bad Spectal lol
arctic terrace
they are lol
dull ingot
i think that the effects of the items are cool, and i think adding more will just mean pretty boring items / powercreep, so id rather have changes to proc mechanics
robust stump
they aren’t you’re just used to having free damage procs
arctic terrace
like i said theres no reason to pick bands over missles now
sinful anvil
They aren't bad, but they're very different from the old ones
buoyant thicket
they’re stronger but proc less often
arctic terrace
no the damage is literally the same
cunning topaz
You take bands over missiles because they’re a guaranteed proc
sinful anvil
Missiles do barely anything for arti and loader so they'll pick them
Captain can also use them
arctic terrace
like every 10 sec? with missles i could get more out in that timeframe
pallid thorn
many characters strait up cannot use new bands. they are worse despite never being must haves, they have a cooldown as a GREEN and do the same damage. this is a downgrade on an item that needed no changes whatsoever.
cunning topaz
And bands have AOE
pallid thorn
MISSLES DO TOO.
cunning topaz
Missiles will also proc bands
tired axle
they're probably better than atg if you don't have clover
pallid thorn
SO GET MORE MISSLES.
sinful anvil
Oh yeah
dull ingot
so....get more missiles
buoyant thicket
and buffs don’t mean just straight damage
dull ingot
MULT mains are having a field day with bands, and so are artificer & loader
pallid thorn
yes they do.
sinful anvil
If you have more than 3 missiles they also proc bands
arctic terrace
also loader takes missles because they can one shot bosses with it
not sure if they changed that
buoyant thicket
kjaros is better than mussels in every way for AoE
loader with bands is very VERY good
robust stump
if you’re a loader prioritising missiles over bands that’s a you problem
hushed rock
is it safe to install mods on 1.0?
pallid thorn
missles are better for crowds because less enemies = less problems. hitting lots of things =/= less problems.
dull ingot
heres the thing
if you can choose between AtG and band, and assuming you have neither, which one are you going to pick?
On everyone but loader, artificer and MULT (assuming rebar puncher), you will pick AtGs
And "ATGs can proc bands!" but thats tying a proc onto another proc chance, and at that point why not just pick up more missiles to increase misslie proc chance than 2 bands which do nothing for your proc chance
tired axle
@hushed rock i don't think most mods updated yet
arctic terrace
lmao this guy never 1 shot a 1hr loop elite boss with missles on loader before
cunning topaz
Yeah but you don’t always choose
sinful anvil
But bands also do AOE, and a bigger one if you have the ice band.
pallid thorn
yea but thats a bad argument.
robust stump
im talking about the current bands not the old ones
pallid thorn
because this is about if you could.
buoyant thicket
Spectal i’ve 1 shot a 1hr loop elite boss with new bands tho :(
dull ingot
we're not saying "DONT PICK UP BANDS EVER!!!!!!!!!", obvs not, we're just saying if given the option itll be better to take missiles on most situations
pallid thorn
low proc characters actually have better damage, so missles do more because of damage scales.
dull ingot
but since there are scrappers and 3d printers, why not just scrap the bands if say, you have no AtGs and no way of proccing them so you can chuck them into a 3D printer?
pallid thorn
missiles can also proc themselves.
pallid thorn
ive seen it. its dumb.
arctic terrace
i actually grinded all bands when i happen to found missile printer and a shredder together in 1 run
never regretted it
pallid thorn
no ukelele though. just missle.
cunning topaz
Really? I could’ve sworn that didn’t work and you needed ATG+Uke to get a proc chain
pallid thorn
nope.
cunning topaz
Damn
dull ingot
the rocket itself has a proc coefficient of 1.
cunning topaz
Low-ass Chance without clover though
pallid thorn
command + all missle = free kills.
dull ingot
so its 10% to proc 300%, and another 10%
pallid thorn
also it stacks chance.
buoyant thicket
command is free
pallid thorn
with enough missiles and crowds it can reliably go off on its own.
arctic terrace
unless you're someone that actually attacks once every ~10 sec its a direct downgrade
pallid thorn
you still need to shoot, but it happens often enough to be notable.
cunning topaz
Ok artifact of command, I think it’d still be optimal to take 1 of each band and then stack missiles
cunning topaz
Having an AOE bomb every 10 seconds that does more damage than your missiles sounds nice
buoyant thicket
it is nice on certain characters
arctic terrace
lol 350 vs 300
cunning topaz
It’s not 700% every 10 seconds
It’s 700% of the missile damage
Bands aren’t base damage
arctic terrace
maybe get rid of the damage threshold and buff the damage to worth the 10 sec cooldown then i will agree is a decent change
pallid thorn
eh, but at that point why are you even going for less than zombie missiles that kill instantly.
dull ingot
If you're on command, you're in no rush so you might as well take both bands and a death mark along with a billion missiles
cunning topaz
Every 10 seconds your next missile becomes AOE and does 7 times the damage
7 times a missile is massive as hell when you have a ton of missile stacks
pallid thorn
or... you could get 3 to 5 extra missile procs for more damage than the bands.
dull ingot
did you not read the rest of my sentence
arctic terrace
what a single band is like 300%
buoyant thicket
yes
dense bolt
Fugg, almost got captain mastery
cunning topaz
600% of the ATGs damage is a lot of damage
arctic terrace
yeah thats only true if u can get to the threshold
cunning topaz
With a few ATG stacks you will
drifting shore
how do daggers work with captain
west bolt
each of his shotgun shots has a proc chance of 1 from what i heard
ebon violet
via patch notes
insert laugh track here
buoyant thicket
Known**
drifting shore
i see
ebon violet
there are so many issues that it's laughable
dense bolt
Crowbar isn't that good with him
arctic terrace
like i said atg does the same damage and stacks the same as bands, no cooldown no threshold. i could proc more missles in 10 sec than bands
dense bolt
It only boosts like one of the 8 shots I believe from what I see
pallid thorn
orbital bombardment.
west bolt
so getting just a few bleed daggers is very strong on captain
buoyant thicket
but why not take both?
arctic terrace
not saying u cant take both, its just that they are simply gutted
cunning topaz
Proc a band with missiles is the same as landing 6 missiles
*7 counting the original
pallid thorn
or get 7 more and get more missiles to begin with overall.
its not a good alternative.
cunning topaz
More ATGs does not effect proc chance
arctic terrace
yea
pallid thorn
it does.
cunning topaz
You won’t have more
buoyant thicket
but then 7 becomes 14 and more damage = more good
ebon violet
merc bad, bands bad captain broken in positive and negative ways -cough visions and crappy m2-, comedy island and busted boss which is easily cheesed by artificier but any survivor with no mobility gets mauled
am i missing anything
cunning topaz
IIRC, only sticky bomb and tri tip have proc chances that go up with stacks
ebon violet
oh right - bleed from mediocre to broken
and lets not forget about urn sucking everything, including allies
cunning topaz
I’ve literally been waiting for over a year to be able to suck my allies in ROR2
ebon violet
even though its supposed to drain a single enemy per stack
buoyant thicket
also if you have both bands it’s 550% damage
arctic terrace
merc has more burst at the cost of survivability now
pallid thorn
"hey guys i think we need to wait a bit im not sure about this as our release" "we shipped it yesterday steve."
arctic terrace
thats a sidegrade
dense bolt
It makes sense it sucks allies
ebon violet
ah, right - a single scrap is worth 3 to 5 scraps in bazaar apparently
cunning topaz
It fits the flavor
dense bolt
The dunestriders suck everything, so now you do to
buoyant thicket
it makes sense lore wise not gameplay wise
ebon violet
that wraps it up
arctic terrace
does dunestrider suck not do dmg anymore
pallid thorn
it does.
buoyant thicket
it does?
arctic terrace
it felt like it didnt lol
pallid thorn
its a low amount.
arctic terrace
before its actually a threat
buoyant thicket
I got destroyed in monsoon by a couple of dunestriders
pallid thorn
its... there.
arctic terrace
also no more sound effect
buoyant thicket
didn’t have good items but still
cunning topaz
Blue meteorite is in the game, I think hurting your friends is an integral part of ROR2
torpid linden
bruh that king mf is hard asf
dense bolt
Getting a bunch of drones with captain makes some bosses super easy XD
torpid linden
any tips on the boss??
pallid thorn
yea but thats the idea with a LUNAR item. this is a RARE, BOSS related item.
ebon violet
im just annoyed that we got no new skill additions
ivory depot
hmmmmmmmmm
cunning topaz
You need mobility for the boss
ivory depot
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
buoyant thicket
make sure you have mobility, stay up high
ebon violet
all those survivors with no alternative skills, lmao
buoyant thicket
he has no aerial
torpid linden
im talking more about the part where he takes ur items
ik hitting him gets them back
cunning topaz
You can burst him down while he’s taking them
ivory depot
if you have a good dmg dealing equipment its easier
torpid linden
so preon?/
ivory depot
but that phase is honestly quite easy, the patterns are simple
buoyant thicket
or royal cap
torpid linden
Ig
buoyant thicket
which characters do u play?
sinful anvil
I managed to kill him with 2 shaped glass and 3 fuel cells and a capacitor before he took my items
torpid linden
does he give items back based on damage or amount of hits
cunning topaz
Probably damage? Idk
buoyant thicket
damage
torpid linden
Loader and Archer
but i mostly use archer with shapped glass which usually bits back when he takes it lmao
buoyant thicket
try to burst him down with ur gauntlet and ur R
buoyant thicket
I don’t know how to play Huntress
torpid linden
THANK U AND CYA
oak ferry
tfw 9/10 areas and a scavenger instanukes you with lightning
drifting shore
captains hack falls off remarkably quick 
i dont remember being this wealthy by stage 4.....
pallid thorn
yea i dont like that that happens.
oak ferry
What does wanderlust do btw
pallid thorn
worst case he has gasoline and your squad dies.
oak ferry
oh thats lame
glossy pumice
Do we have any more logbook entries about Kurskan the Heretic other than from Visions of Heresy and Strides of Heresy?
oak ferry
honestly im not too sure about heal cause when things are hairy I can't stay on it or I'll die
drifting shore
also true
oak ferry
So not sure what TO use
drifting shore
shocking one probably
sinful anvil
The starting shock/heal combo is solid
pallid thorn
the shock one kinda sucks. it has low range and is single use.
oak ferry
i'll probably use heal and hack
drifting shore
alright i mean.. all of them are low range and single use
i do like hack tho, cuz im dirt poor in stage 1-3
oak ferry
but i guess TC is rarer than I thought, now that I need it I can't find it
pallid thorn
yes but shock does nothing directly helpfull.
sinful anvil
You can pop the heal behind cover and overlay it with the shock so melee enemies can't come near you and ranged enemies can't shoot you because of the cover
pallid thorn
ranged enemies cant shoot you.
drifting shore
wisps says hi
pallid thorn
he has a passive.
oak ferry
If you're building attack speed like you should, ranged attacks are useless
cunning topaz
Almost beat final boss with Forgive me please + Soulbound catalyst + desk plant + Topaz + monster tooth + gasoline
cunning topaz
They call me Johnny appleseed cause I covered the entire map in my green seed and never died
sinful anvil
If we're talking about late game then you can just forget about his R since his M1 with proc chance is extremely good
drifting shore
well, no
projectiles specifically
hit scan cough wisps will still shit on you
pallid thorn
they shoot projectiles. just bery fast ones.
drifting shore
i think the shockwave from the beetleguards actually count as projectiles and that amuses me
pallid thorn
it does.
sinful anvil
It does
cunning topaz
Just kill wisps 5head smh
drifting shore
thers like 20 of em
glossy pumice
afaik captain's Red item does not stop wisp shots, so they arent projectiles
cunning topaz
Just shoot 20 times
pallid thorn
it stops one or two shots. its a shotgun.
oak ferry
just get a uke
sinful anvil
The shotgun shoots 8 bullets, that's 8 wisps killed per shot smh
oak ferry
I'm p sure it doesn't hit wisps tbh
pale iris
is it just me or is the zapping beacon really bad
pallid thorn
it does.
oak ferry
'cause I kept getting shot when I was runnigng around, and the drone wasn't even trying
All I hada round me were wisps
glossy pumice
zapping beacon is actually really good vs stunable ground based mobs
drifting shore
is it just me or is the beacons in general pretty bad
but yes, the zapping beacon isnt great
glossy pumice
kite the ones you cant kill right now into, they get perma cc'd and you can focus the other priority targets
sinful anvil
They're good but only on the first 2-3 stages
oak ferry
Probably use the heal more for emergencies (Like sniping an out of control Mountain tele)
glossy pumice
you need choke points for it to really shine
oak ferry
Not just spamming them on the tele
'cause it DOES heal really quick if you can get away
oak ferry
I've been stacking two heals, but kiting seems the better choice
pale iris
are they infinite duration or timed? Also can they be killed?
pallid thorn
infinite.
glossy pumice
unkillable
oak ferry
They don't die
pallid thorn
they sit there. and you get one of each.
oak ferry
Also, I learned that drones are god tier for Mithra
He gets stuck trying to hit them but he can't jump
So just snipe him
pale iris
cheese is god tier for Mithra in general
pallid thorn
yea. engie turrets are nigh unkillable and he can't take their items.
glossy pumice
until the ground shockwaves hit one and they die Q-Q
i think my drones just like the ground too much
pallid thorn
inb4 aegis.
oak ferry
If you have the tentacle nuke thing, he basically kills himself on engie
pallid thorn
barbed wire.
oak ferry
He instakills turrets
pallid thorn
live him to death.
oak ferry
So wire is eh on him
pallid thorn
i had a run where i had aegis and 3 barbed. the turret never died and it killed him flat out.
he lost an aging contest.
oak ferry
tfw god ages out first
pale iris
I honestly though the fight would be hell for engi after doing it as huntress
pallid thorn
lets be honest engie is built on cheese and its a cheesable boss.
pale iris
very
pallid thorn
also theres a channel for that.
oak ferry
engie is built on zero skill required
pallid thorn
"i will stand here, if this sword in a slingshot kills you it wasn't my fault" fires slingshot from lawn chair
oak ferry
more like "im gonna stand here with a sword. Walk into it."
glossy pumice
anyone tried out the new scrap launcher for multi? it any good?
oak ferry
sips martini
pale iris
it got changed a lot this patch though
pallid thorn
is it still a shitty bazooka?
pale iris
it's actually a rocket now
glossy pumice
it is now a rocket launcher rather than grenade launcher
pale iris
not grenade
pallid thorn
neat.
frosty stream
Speaking of mul-t:
oak ferry
Wait a second, is there no chngelog on steam?
The last thing it shows on the news is the artifact update
frosty stream
This might be known already but I just found a dumbass mul-t strat haha.
pale iris
idk where it is I saw it a video
pallid thorn
thats a steam thing.
arctic terrace
i guess game has too much items that command is actually needed lol
i keep getting shit thats useless to me
glossy pumice
oh i got it from the notes in the patch notes channel
outer sleet
Which reds or just build in general have people found works best on commando?
frosty stream
Since Rebar got changed, using double Rebar might actually be optimal lmao.
outer sleet
not commando, captain
pallid thorn
clover. on hit. crit.
glossy pumice
yeah build him like multi with auto nailgun; on-hit bleed
pallid thorn
might do an n'kahuna if you feel frisky.
oak ferry
Is Opus a constant passive?
dull ingot
no
outer sleet
Ive been building behemoth with full crit + the new yellow that inflicts bleed on crits
oak ferry
Triggering it doesn't seem to do anything
loud scroll
its broken
outer sleet
and ive been melting basically everything
dull ingot
it's only broken on captain
glossy pumice
yeah he shoots a butt ton of pellets with some Attack Speed investment so you should be able to keep bleed stacks for days
outer sleet
he has like no mobility though, wish he had a dash or something to replace the stupid taser
dull ingot
behemoth is very good for captain, yeah
plucky comet
bruh, rex is so op, i just unlocked him and completely anihilated the boss on my first run, gotta try captain now
glossy pumice
rex can root the last boss btw LOL
outer sleet
never liked rex
loud scroll
rex is real strong nowadays
pallid thorn
REALLY?
arctic terrace
behemoth is nice
plucky comet
yup
glossy pumice
rex has the best dmg output from his base kit
loud scroll
he was bad when he first came out
arctic terrace
hope they dont nerf it
glossy pumice
out of everyone. I think hes op honestly
dull ingot
he was balanced @loud scroll
plucky comet
the boss just stole 3 items before he got destroyed
loud scroll
no he was pretty bad he couldnt sustain himself very well
pallid thorn
i dont do fruit. i do SAWS.
dull ingot
that was the thing tho
risk some health for a damage reward
outer sleet
Which beacon things have you guys been running on Captain?
glossy pumice
hp regen from R and M1, Solid sustained Aoe dmg, and mobility too
plucky comet
i had 100% crit and harvester scythes
dull ingot
now tho his regen completely nullifies all the challenge
glossy pumice
using the Hp costing skills
arctic terrace
alright gotta do 1 non command match if rng gives me shit again im gonna unlock the artifacts
arctic terrace
its a sidegrade tbh
plucky comet
nah, he has higher skill floor
arctic terrace
u get more dmg on your ult
glossy pumice
idk its sidegrade, they moved the power around
dull ingot
lower hp is a huge nerf?
glossy pumice
you have to actually use brain for dmg output
arctic terrace
but yeah it takes 1 more hit to clear trash mobs now
glossy pumice
oh yeah i guess the hp regen and hp nerfs are a hit
polar anvil
He also got regen down
oak ferry
regen down, scaling down
plucky comet
the cooldown reduction is nice though
pallid thorn
my captain runs end when i get killed in one hit. health is a must.
arctic terrace
i guess they want people to be in iframe more often
glossy pumice
but i dont really notice it honestly. If you manage cds and spacing well you shouldnt have much issue
arctic terrace
still cant do mithrix lul unless you cheese with slicing wind
strong vine
do we know captains proc co yet? His m1 seems high.
plucky comet
hes now even more of a glass cannon really
polar anvil
Use your shift and R for iframes
dull ingot
0.75 on each pellet @strong vine
strong vine
yeah i feel it
oak ferry
"nano bomb inferior to spear" how tho, nano bomb is SO much better
arctic terrace
his ult slam breaks your pace
glossy pumice
damn, 0.75? thats pretty good
plucky comet
when i just sucked ass and couldnt unlock rex i would salvage the run as merc with i frames so my back wouldnt explode
glossy pumice
thats a proc coeff of 6 if all pellets hit
dull ingot
it's not
spark oyster
Merc was nerfed
oak ferry
ive never seen anyone use spear as arti
arctic terrace
same lol damage is lower
polar anvil
@oak ferry the freeze was much better thqn aoe cuz arti doesn't lack aoe
strong vine
yeah i was shooting like 4 atgs per shot with the clover at one point
arctic terrace
no aoe
drifting shore
merc nerfed 
merc skill ceiling raised 
oak ferry
aight but the arcs that come off nano bomb
shoot it in a general direction and you wipe all the trash
spark oyster
Lol ok
I'll be posting my review tonight
polar anvil
Or just
Shoot
glossy pumice
thoughts on the new gravity for artis beach ball?
oak ferry
nano bomb is WAY faster clear than m1
glossy pumice
i dont like it
dull ingot
Execute is still better imo
oak ferry
hellfire is bigger and lasts longer 
devout saddle
Have people already brought up soft locking on the final stage?
deep veldt
ok so how do i cheese mithrix
loud scroll
so many times
glossy pumice
first you need to get him in a big jug of milk
deep veldt
oh yikes
lucid plank
No, Kai, what is this soft-lock thou speakest of? Is it comedic?
devout saddle
If only
deep veldt
u talking about comedy island?
oak ferry
oh
devout saddle
I bought a friend a game and his first experience was getting soft locked at the end so he refunded it
:(
deep veldt
u talking about the refoge shop on the moon
devout saddle
Yeah
polar anvil
You need 3 hopoo feathers to get out
worthy turret
Yeah the initial release has some softlock or crashing problems
plucky comet
you need to jump off the highest point, then try to go closesr to the main platform with some luck it will teleport you on top of the main platform
oak ferry
cries in island
robust tangle
just play merc lol
deep veldt
like soulbound catalyst + please forgive me
plucky comet
captain literally has no mobility, the shotgun is fun though
oak ferry
tbf, I didn't notice the floating rocks my first couple tries
it's actually not that hard to get across
I thought if you couldn't make the jump to the arch your run was over lmao
deep veldt
should have an alternate primary that does more damage but pushes you back a tiny bit so i can abuse it with 5000 syringes with command artifact
for captain that is
polar anvil
Flight
woven valve
how do you unlock the microbots item log ?
glossy pumice
i dont think you can currently
dull ingot
you can, but it's better to wait for the patch
warm cairn
if you use the artifact that makes shadow clones you can get it as a drop
pale roost
You can with vengeance
woven valve
oh wow
oak ferry
that reminds me, i still need to get metamorphosis
pallid thorn
question, is the doppleganger AI different from standard enemy AI?
deep veldt
no its different
deep veldt
its different for each character as well
pallid thorn
most of them follow the directive of
if see enemy, throw ability at enemy
or get in range to throw
loop
deep veldt
bruh defensive microbots stacks
pallid thorn
?
deep veldt
it can shoot down +1 more projectile per 0.5 seconds
pallid thorn
oh.
deep veldt
thats kinda op
pallid thorn
oh no
west bolt
not like you can get it though
deep veldt
you can
west bolt
besides with that one artifact?
deep veldt
yeah
west bolt
wich arent meant to be balanced
pallid thorn
preons self
deep veldt
and you have to rely on having no items apart from the microbots
crude ginkgo
ok is it just me or does mythrix feel really poorly balanced?
having just a few enemies that essentially 1 or 2-shot isn't how the rest of the game handles bosses
west bolt
|| Mithrix || fight took so long in my run
crude ginkgo
it's just tedious
west bolt
Captain barely did any dmg
glossy pumice
anyone know if purity and clover cancel out
or if it does the rolls for both? in what order?
pallid thorn
an artifacer's wet dream.
sinful anvil
Merc can be unkillable with it
deep veldt
i mean just get brainstalks
pallid thorn
or have no conditions.