on captain yes
#gd2-nullified
hollow plinth
normal sonnet
yeah so it's around 75%
hollow plinth
i saw 6, could've been 5, but most likely 6
normal sonnet
could be different because of number rounding, more likely to be 80%
but that does give us a good estimate
hollow plinth
im putting a median value for his coeff at .75
pearl sundial
I'm still just getting a chuckle out of how busted Doll can be and the fact that you can essentially crash a game with it...
hollow plinth
could be higher or lower, but the only inference we can make is somewhere in the ballpark of .75
normal sonnet
ok time to try dropping a beacon on alloy's head
hollow plinth
doll is inherently busted lmao
knife printer go brrrrr
oh topaz brooch too
barrier printer
pearl sundial
Topaz Brooch+Bandolier+Dagger=Funni Godmode
Cause you can essentially have no cooldowns on top of the shield it provides
Gets even better when ya toss Meat on it too
Cause Meat heals on kill
hollow plinth
oh they changed it?
pearl sundial
It's just a straight up heal
hollow plinth
wait
pearl sundial
Like it'll spawn a health orb that flies to ya from what I seen
hollow plinth
uhh thats monster tooth
and the orbs dont track to you
not like they did in ror1
pearl sundial
Monster Tooth orbs only fly to ya if you're close
hollow plinth
meat is health regen on kill tho
pearl sundial
But I've ran Meat on Doll and let's just say it was like being in godmode on Engi. xD
pearl sundial
Makes sense though that it'd be kinda busted I guess?
normal sonnet
ooooooh shit..... shattering justice will instantly cap out with captain
red echo
PSA: captain's utility seems to be bugged and is only doing 500% damage per shot instead of the 1500% it says in the description
normal sonnet
isn't it 1500 total?
hollow plinth
ok i thought it was fishy
normal sonnet
500 3 shots
hollow plinth
1500% per shot seemed really low for what it actually did
pearl sundial
Doll legit is an item tied to dying 20 times so you actually have to be bad at the game to get it unlocked unless you be bad on purpose.
normal sonnet
but 1500% would be way too op
pearl sundial
Captain is just kinda a bunch of oofs with it's tooltips
dull ingot
isn't it 1500 total?
yes, but it says 1500 per probe in the description
normal sonnet
you guys know that urn can kill you yet?
dull ingot
and you sap hp from them
pearl sundial
Yeah Urn is big oof
red echo
though honestly his damage feels pretty lacking, could legitimately be the damage is bugged 🤷♂️
red echo
he seems like he does ok in the first few stages and then just hits a wall unless you got really lucky with items
pearl sundial
His damage is far from lacking once ya get a good run going. I shredded final boss with just clicks
normal sonnet
i got pretty shit items and still didn't struggle too much against stage 9 alloy
the shock beacon definitely carries
because you basically become immune to projectiles and immune to melee ads
oh man malachite hp feels so much more reasonable now
thank god for that change
somber tide
What's the best way to get artificer unlock for 1 second burst on boss? Also I'm curious as to if it applies to multiple teleporter bosses
normal sonnet
it does apply
you just want a decent crowbar one shot
the further into a run you go, the easier it'll get
rare heart
...the scrapper won't take lunars, will it?
rare heart
Darn
static python
I want to see art of Engineer and captain building a house together with bustling fungus and drones
latent basalt
Is yellow scrap a thing?
strange oak
I straight up can't get past the first stage without a crash, or without some seizure-inducing bug. Does the game have any known issues with some GPUs, or something like that?
normal sonnet
there's something very funny about captain zapping away all of brass contraption shots
@latent basalt if there's a printer of it, there's scrap of it, so yes
damn you can even zap mushroom balls
latent basalt
Also, is teleporter "singing" new or have I just been mystically deaf all this time
latent basalt
Teleporters emit a background track to accompany stage music
dull ingot
it was always singing iirc
latent basalt
Probably was, I usually play with a discord buddy and have never sat and listened
Or tested that it is directional, which it is
edgy fiber
What is IIRC
drifting cave
IIRC, IIRC stands for If I recall correctly
warm summit
Do Purity and Clover cancel out? E.x. if you have them both, do your chance based effects work as normal or does both the first success and first failure get rerolled?
dull ingot
if i remember correctly
warm summit
I'm currently running some numbers, and Purity does not seem to be a good investment if it can't cancel with Clover
With 1 of each item, a 10% chance now only has a 2.8% of procing. With 2 Clovers and a Purity, it only has a 5.23% chance.
dull ingot
Hey, can anyone please explain the meaning of each server tag?
well, not all builds should rely on procs
and not every lunar should be countered with something to be good
tardy kettle
how do i not fight boss at stage 6
dull ingot
welp...seems no one is gonna help me...
@dull ingot which ones?
@tardy kettle activate these first
warm summit
For builds that do rely on procs, Purity completely ruins it. I get that Lunars should be run-dependent and you shouldn't always take one when you see it, but right now, I'm looking at Purity right now the same way I look at Corpsebloom: a bonus that can be gotten elsewhere, a cost that completely overhauls a core aspect of the game
dull ingot
@dull ingot which ones?
@dull ingot All of them, "rv1" "a=" etc...
"rs", "mn"
lunar items are more accessible than reds and even greens tho
daf*** does that mean?
warm summit
I find Greens far more often than I find Lunars
dull ingot
dz rs mn - drizzle rainstorm monsoon
others i'm not quite sure
They should put add that into the release notes
a=9, rv1...i'm really freaking lost
latent basalt
Speaking of lunars, chisel seems... wierd
dull ingot
Ok, "a=" stands for artifacts number
golden topaz
On the final level, if you walk behind where you spawn, there is no collision and you can go out of bounds.
If you fall off there is no killbox and you softlock
You can also still go under the map in Siren's Call
dull ingot
yooo I got ||Mithrix's|| monster log after beating ||his first phase|| on my first try 👀 super lucky
normal sonnet
there isn't really any reason to obliterate now?
normal sonnet
mastery can be achieved from defeating mithrix
dull ingot
sweet
golden topaz
its currently bugged
dull ingot
oh dang
golden topaz
update all around seems like it wasn't playtested
normal sonnet
yeah it's a little rushed
clearly they didn't actually play captain when deciding to restrict half his abilities in extra zones
golden topaz
From what I remember, Gearbox playtests the game, and they only test it on drizzle and never do late game runs
so everything is kind of balanced around early game
golden topaz
Yeah, no idea why they decided to publish through them
It's obviously put a hinder on the quality of the game
normal sonnet
when you're an indie dev, you publish with anything you can get
golden topaz
They've self published their other two titles
But we don't really know the whole story I guess
raw torrent
how do i loop without going to the final boss?
normal sonnet
those other two titles didn't get anywhere near the popularity of ror2
@raw torrent interact with outer area of teleporter pad before you activate it
dull ingot
@raw torrent
golden topaz
Well yeah but that just makes it sound like they're just cashing in
normal sonnet
well i mean
raw torrent
ahh okay thank you
normal sonnet
they're a company. they have to make money
as much as they care about the quality and design of the game, survival is important
golden topaz
I get that, but stringing us along for a year with barebone updates and add less and less and take longer is still kind of scummy
bright palm
oh, that's good to know, that wasn't super obvious
normal sonnet
yeah it should be a bit more clear
I don't think it's scummy. You have to remember Hopoo is 3 people
golden topaz
Yeah I know, it just feels like they're not putting in effort and are just being lazy with it. Feels like they don't even play their own game with the changes they make.
dull ingot
3 people did an outstanding job imo
normal sonnet
ghostpunch does 90% art
hollow plinth
didn't they get some support from uhh
fuck what's the studio that does borderlands
normal sonnet
they did their best with the game and it's obvious they've put a lot of work and love into it, unfortunately Gearbox's shitty QA team brings down the quality of the while product
golden topaz
The last level is just unity blocks stretched out until the textures are so blurry you can barely make out the detail. And that took them 3 months to release
Not to mention bugs still present since the EA release still being present
dull ingot
golden topaz
I dunno I like the game but they've focused too much on large updates, would have been nice to see smaller updates focusing on fixes
hope that's what post launch will be
normal sonnet
well now they sort of can focus on that
polar anvil
Ghor said they will have a 1.0.1 patch
normal sonnet
instead of feeling so forced to stick to their schedule
hollow plinth
isnt the point of roguelikes that the game itself is really barebones until you get deep into a run and then it's just complete chaos
golden topaz
They probably had a contract with gearbox for the scheduled updates so that part is understandable
as long as they start fixing all the random bugs and map glitches i'll be alright
hollow plinth
like it's a bunch of maps, characters, enemies, a spawning algorithm, and a whole load of items
dull ingot
It’s fun as shit
polar anvil
Someone already complained on logs not being all completed
golden topaz
@hollow plinth Well yes, but the amount of content in risk of rain 2 isn't all that much considering the time of development
dull ingot
Embrace the madness
hollow plinth
it's pretty good for a year considering the overall scale of the game
dull ingot
Someone already complained on logs not being all completed
yes, every single person in #theorycrafting
It’s unique af too
polar anvil
Oof
golden topaz
It's missing some basic features that the first game had, like looping at any stage after your first loop
or stage variants
polar anvil
Anyways time to explode my pc trying to do captain achieves
normal sonnet
stage variants exist they're just not good
hollow plinth
there's stage variants tho?
dull ingot
only 2
dull ingot
well, not like they had variants in the first game
golden topaz
they had different level layouts
hollow plinth
minor differences
dull ingot
slightly
minor estuary
first game had very small changes
golden topaz
yeah they could still do the same for this to make runs feel fresh
hollow plinth
first game wasnt exactly perfect
minor estuary
2 has the exact same thing + actually varied stages
there are different versions of the same stage
hollow plinth
i've killed myself with sniper + behemoth twice in ror1
normal sonnet
but the feature that made the different versions of the same stage in ror1
is in ror2
plus stage variants
it's literally in the game for every stage
golden topaz
It's only used on the first stage, the other stages have no variants. Item spawning is not what I'm talking about
minor estuary
sky meadows doesnt have variants because its like
dull ingot
we didn't have a new stage variant for 8 months already
hollow plinth
gigantic
minor estuary
new
normal sonnet
it's not just item spawning there are literally 2 different sky meadows maps!
golden topaz
I have 200 hours in the game and never seen this
minor estuary
in the first stages, yeah, in the other ones, not entirely
normal sonnet
yes
minor estuary
mostly because the game's already been in early access for around a year and like
normal sonnet
one of the sky meadows has a competed circle of platforms, you can walk all the way around it
minor estuary
it isnt a huge deal
normal sonnet
one of them is not a completed circle, you cannot walk all the way around it
hollow plinth
these are again, incredibly minor differences
golden topaz
OK, I get what you're saying then. I mean more varied like they handled the first couple of stages
like basically different levels themed the same
normal sonnet
but ror1 didn't even have that
hollow plinth
and they've done a very good job addressing big issues
like fucking wisps chipping you down over 5 seconds cuz there's 20 of them
golden topaz
They still need to add more enemies
normal sonnet
wisps still suck :|
hollow plinth
they don't need to add more enemies lmao
golden topaz
I feel bad for the beetles, they can never hti me
hollow plinth
quality over quantity m8
minor estuary
kody i think you're just expecting more when the game is only just now complete
normal sonnet
enemy variance would be welcome but the enemies that are in have had a ton of effort put into them
golden topaz
Not even stage specific bosses?
hollow plinth
i'd prefer if there weren't so many antimelee mechanics in bosses
minor estuary
the only reason you want more enemies is because the game's been out for a full year and you already know everything
bosses do only spawn after certain stages
hollow plinth
you wanna play melee but dont wanna play merc? hold my jellyfish
normal sonnet
the game's been out in EARLY ACCESS for a year
minor estuary
you can't get an imp overlord on stage 1
golden topaz
No, I just feel like the overall combat could be fleshed out with different AI behaviors like what DOOM did
ebon lichen
yo we doing mastery join us at --JOIN FOR MASTERY--
minor estuary
this isnt doom
rare heart
...the heresy set wasn't filled out! I need something to replace captain's special... Too many miscasts.
golden topaz
Right now you either get Wisp'd or lasered
hollow plinth
ah yes a AAA game with lots of AI patterns
normal sonnet
ok let's just compare Hopoo with a massive AAA game development team
minor estuary
ah yes a AAA game vs 3 guys
hollow plinth
or one 3d roguelike made by 3 people
normal sonnet
good one :)
golden topaz
That's not what I'm doing guys, you're conflating two different points
normal sonnet
"why isn't my indie game like doom!"
hollow plinth
huge bren 
golden topaz
I'm saying add more enemy variety to fleshen out the combat
minor estuary
doom and risk of rain 2 are entirely different games
golden topaz
make it more interesting
minor estuary
you aren't supposed to think about how exactly an enemy works because if it's too complex it'll get too bloated late game
normal sonnet
the enemies and enemy variety aren't meant to be that complex
golden topaz
No, 8 different enemies, each with 1 ability
minor estuary
adding new enemies
hollow plinth
it's meant to be hard not chaotic
golden topaz
Each enemy covers a base get what I'm saying
minor estuary
that's just not true
golden topaz
The game is sold on being chaotic though.
minor estuary
there's plenty of enemies in the game that all serve their roles, it's just hard to dodge wisps
normal sonnet
8 different enemies with 1 new attack sounds like a waste of resources
hollow plinth
chaos caused by the player and director doing their bullshit
not chaos programmed into the game
faint python
Hey guys how do you get the role that shows what char you play?
No one has answered me 😦
golden topaz
That's essentially what the game is designed for right now. You have multiple enemies serving different purposes and I feel like they could add more to make it more interesting
minor estuary
kody the game just now is finished
golden topaz
Ok?
hollow plinth
well not finished, but ready for release
minor estuary
fair
hollow plinth
they clearly plan on adding more to it
normal sonnet
besides, kody, if hopoo did add 8 new enemies to the game in the next update, we would miss out on other great content because the team just isn't able to create things at the pace you're expecting
hollow plinth
so saying they need to add more to it is like
golden topaz
Being finished doesn't mean it feels finished
faint python
Can I get a answer?
golden topaz
Nor does it imply that it is
minor estuary
i have no idea white
hollow plinth
there's a channel forit
dull ingot
@faint python #role-assignment
normal sonnet
imagine opening your eyes and looking at the channels :|
hollow plinth
dude i feel like you're expecting too much from, again, 3 people
hollow plinth
who do basicallyl everything but hte models
faint python
I’m on mobile so like half the channels don’t show
normal sonnet
oh weird
golden topaz
Dude, I understand but being a circlejerk all the time isn't exactly helpful either. They need harsh criticism just as much as they need nice criticism
normal sonnet
harsh criticism =/= constructive criticism
faint python
Honestly I just wanna be able to play as the Grove Tender again
hollow plinth
there's constructive criticism then there's pointless criticism
faint python
That mods great
hollow plinth
wait until the mod authors update cheat menu
faint python
Just walk around and take no dmg
minor estuary
saying "why couldnt there be more bad guys" isnt a ton for criticism
normal sonnet
you can discuss features you'd like to see and talk about the future of the game without shitting on the devs and calling them lazy just because they don't keep up with your rapid expectations for modern game development
golden topaz
I said it felt lazy
hollow plinth
constructive criticism regarding enemies could be "i feel players aren't being punished enough for doing X, maybe an enemy should address that"
golden topaz
I did say that, just not exactly to what you just typed
I dont get what you're trying to say
Are you implying that I'm being mean by saying what I feel?
hollow plinth
no what you're saying is vague and has no specific solution besides "fuck it make some more shit"
golden topaz
No, I did get into it
hollow plinth
you didn't
golden topaz
I told you that if you can add enemies that cover different bases, like an attack or whatever, it could flesh out the combat
hollow plinth
you said "we need more enemy variety, enemy design feels lazy"
minor estuary
ok what base is there to cover
golden topaz
what part of that is vague, or would you like me to define the attacks?
hollow plinth
I told you that if you can add enemies that cover different bases, like an attack or whatever, it could flesh out the combat
what does that even fucking mean
minor estuary
what do you feel really needs to be covered that isnt already being done
hollow plinth
what bases? what attacks do you want to see?
what behavior do you want to see enemies try to punish? what attacks do you think would feel cool to try to dodge?
normal sonnet
i literally do not give a shit about specifics btw
golden topaz
We need more projectile based attacks I think. It's either you get locked on by a stone titan or a wisp nicks you and you can't dodge it. Floating around in the air, I feel the only enemy capable of hurting you are bells
normal sonnet
making a list of specific things you want to see is just as unconstructive
hollow plinth
maybe like idk some kind of spear thrower that dicks you hard if you get hit would be sick
for example
dull ingot
what combo with voodoo doll will break my game?
hollow plinth
soulbound gesture
minor estuary
a lot of voodoo dolls
golden topaz
This discord is very detrimental to open discussion. You say something, people dog pile on you no matter how you phrase it
hollow plinth
saying "enemy design feels lazy" and "enemies need to cover more bases" doesnt exactly provide them a way forward
normal sonnet
the problem is that you're saying the game is "missing content"
hollow plinth
what do you want to see added to the game besides "more"
golden topaz
I just defined what I said further, and you're also putting words in my mouth
normal sonnet
which basically just tells me you're expecting way too much
hollow plinth
you didn't define anything. vague concepts aren't useful to anyone
golden topaz
I'm expecting for a 1.0 release to feel finished. That's too much?
hollow plinth
"cover more bases" doesnt mean anything besides "add more"
minor estuary
i dont really think there's any spot for anything that could really spam projectiles. there's already plenty of enemies that do that
normal sonnet
the game feels very finished to me
golden topaz
You didn't even read what I wrote to you when you asked me to define what I meant @hollow plinth
normal sonnet
my ONLY issues with it is the quality of the content which, as we discussed before, isn't really Hopoo's fault
minor estuary
lemurians, greater wisps, bells, hermit crabs, and every single boss
normal sonnet
since Gearbox QA is fucking shit
hollow plinth
gearbox
golden topaz
We can agree on that
golden topaz
Now, can you stop piling on me when I make a suggestion? This discord, while I understand it's trying to be nice, it's like a battalion of white knights.
golden topaz
ha ha
minor estuary
there are a lot of people that happen to exist on this public discord for a popular game
golden topaz
your name fits you perfectly
minor estuary
maybe my "i've been waiting a very very long time for this game" bias is bashing my brains in
sorry
golden topaz
I understand man
hollow plinth
i mean i don't expect any 1.0 release to mean that a game is finished
i expect it to mean that they got a game to the state that they feel is ready to be released but can still be improved
minor estuary
it still has a good sense of finality, yknow?
golden topaz
Usually that's what it means, but I can see your point in today's market. Unfinished games are normal
hollow plinth
that's what 1.0 is supposed to mean
otherwise there'd be no meaning to the version number
golden topaz
1.0 is the number reffered to as a final build
I'm not sure you understand what you're saying
hollow plinth
before it is shipped
they shipped the game and in adding a qualifier that it is 1.0 it means that they feel the game is ready to be shipped but can definitely be improved on
because it meets a certain benchmark of quality in teir eyes
i do in fact think they should work on more of the fine details of the game
golden topaz
I can agree there, but I feel it's unfinished. Now that's more than likely subjective between the two of us, not including Hopoo
hollow plinth
again, 1.0 isn't supposed to mean finished.
golden topaz
I wouldn't say by a lot, if I had to say it feels like 0.9, you know what what I mean?
hollow plinth
it's supposed to mean ready to be shipped out to the public
minor estuary
the main issue is just like
some characters are only tested early game, right?
golden topaz
Feels like it
hollow plinth
idk probably
there's some fucky balance with some characters
like mul-t basically being unable to use the rings
golden topaz
I've watched a gearbox QA stream where they said they test on drizzle, and the stream confirmed that with them playing on drizzle for only 20 minutes
minor estuary
considering now the game is like, actually a game, i think the team might get more time to test and balance shit?
the rings?
hollow plinth
don't the rings require a 400% or more damage hit?
minor estuary
oh the bands
golden topaz
The change to the rings is great for loader, but awful for characters like commando
minor estuary
i think so
hollow plinth
that requires a lot of setup to be used on mul-t
minor estuary
most characters do have an option for high burst damage
hollow plinth
whereas for loader it's basically just
golden topaz
SHIFT
hollow plinth
free
arctic terrace
are they reverting bands nerf
hollow plinth
it's not really a nerf
arctic terrace
it is
minor estuary
its not a nerf its just a change in trigger
deep urchin
a rework
golden topaz
It's a nerf for characters who can't apply 400% damage on hit
hollow plinth
it got sidegraded from a proc item to a burst item
minor estuary
commando's shotgun secondary triggers it well
hollow plinth
wait it can trigger off shotgun?
minor estuary
mul t can dash bash or use his uhh
hollow plinth
what?
minor estuary
his shift
deep urchin
rebar?
arctic terrace
same damage but locked behind a 10 sec cooldown is a nerf along with the trigger threshold
minor estuary
doesnt that work?
arctic terrace
lol stop defending it lmao even missles are better than it now
deep urchin
does multi rebar trigger it
hollow plinth
i don't play mul-t so i can't tell you
deep urchin
idk
hollow plinth
minor estuary
i'm not sure rebar triggers it, i've just been using commando
golden topaz
If you speak out towards the game balance you'll just get people lapping it up. @arctic terrace
minor estuary
but as far as i can see, commando's shotgun triggers
hollow plinth
idk dude i've been doing knife printer
deep urchin
acrid melee
arctic terrace
like 10 sec cooldown wtf if its 5 sec with better damage then we can talk
deep urchin
yoooo captain has an ability that makes chest cost 0?!?
minor estuary
(im pretty sure they also increased the size of the attack)
arctic terrace
its pretty much the same since old one is moving
errant yew
just fucking died since i got stuck inside a wall
hollow plinth
not gg but its pretty wild
deep urchin
yea ik but dang there are gonna be arguments in multiplayer
minor estuary
wasnt that just an equipment item in the first game
arctic terrace
at least with merc they are turning it to be a glass cannon
i will still miss the third hit damage
hollow plinth
i thought gold chest drops went to the person who uses it the most
polar anvil
Glass spitter more like
hollow plinth
like if its nkuhanas its gonna go to engi 100% of the time
minor estuary
yup
hollow plinth
or afterburner to merc/loader
deep urchin
loader?
polar anvil
Burner can go to loader
minor estuary
just do void fields lol
arctic terrace
behemoth works on everyone though
minor estuary
or siren
errant yew
is sky meadow the only way to get to the final stage? i havent tried looping today
minor estuary
behemoth is good for commando
hollow plinth
first come first served 
polar anvil
@errant yew yes
errant yew
aight
hollow plinth
hack the gold chest and camp it out
deep urchin
YOOO that animation to change destination is sick
hollow plinth
get to the final stage and find out you cant use your utility
minor estuary
merc wouldn't get a ton out of it since the explosion wouldn't help much outside of damage
arctic terrace
im still pissed that doing artifact trials loops u back
hollow plinth
congratulations you played yourself
minor estuary
just dont do artifact trials
deep urchin
?? cap cant use his r on the final stage?
polar anvil
Is hack the alt beacon,or is itan item
arctic terrace
i mean i didnt know it loops u back i just found the thingy after this update came out and never knew
hollow plinth
you cant play half your character because loooooooore
arctic terrace
theres no reason why they should loop you back
hollow plinth
alt beacon
arctic terrace
at least give us the choice
minor estuary
the reason is you leave the area
polar anvil
There's a choice
polar anvil
Touch outer teleporter part and find where you want to go
arctic terrace
i just try to discover and unlock as many shit as possible in 1 run
hollow plinth
you dont get to use captain's orbital strike or beacons in the bazaar either
dull ingot
can't nuke newt😔
random pawn
that is why the scrapper exists
minor estuary
if you really want to discover and unlock a ton of stuff you're better off looping anyways
hollow plinth
captain doesnt do too bad with nkuhanas either
polar anvil
Is captain's permanent buff just the drone it has
arctic terrace
i wanted to beat the final stage
minor estuary
i am stupid
arctic terrace
so i want to reach there and discover some other stuff along the way
if golden titan can tele you back to the next stage trials should too
minor estuary
what?
polar anvil
Wut
minor estuary
they both teleport you to the next stage
dull ingot
mithrix boss is pretty fun if you’re not cheesing it by using one shot builds
polar anvil
Yeah
arctic terrace
idk when i interacted with the teleporter it just loops me back
random pawn
but he takes your items?
minor estuary
which teleporter
polar anvil
@dull ingot mithrix steals your glass and murders you
arctic terrace
trials
polar anvil
You need ancient telepkrt
minor estuary
if you use the artifact portal you dont go
dull ingot
lol
arctic terrace
i dont see any other portals there
dull ingot
how many items does it take from you?
polar anvil
All
random pawn
all of them
minor estuary
it's called the teleporter
dull ingot
oh I guess I one shot it before it did that
minor estuary
you look for it like you would any other teleporter
arctic terrace
or teleporter either
minor estuary
look harder
polar anvil
Can someone tell me what captain's buff is
minor estuary
it has blue particles
dull ingot
I thought it just took a couple
minor estuary
@polar anvil his buff is a orbiting thing that deletes projectiles when they come in contact with you
random pawn
mithrix proceeded to take my 70 reactive armor plates and murdered me
minor estuary
he applies it to drones as well
polar anvil
Got it
minor estuary
you can increase the speed of the block by increasing your attack speed
dull ingot
your armor plates... hand 'em over
minor estuary
boss spoiler ig: ||you can sort of cheese mithrix by shooting him while he's absorbing your items. i got him to like 10% hp by the time he took my stuff fully||
random pawn
dont you start getting your items back when you lower his hp on that stage?
dull ingot
yea I just shaped glass + royal capacitor while it was absorbing the items
polar anvil
Time to get preon drone
minor estuary
you do, but if you just
sullen sable
what is the lock?
minor estuary
fucking annihilate him
while he's doing it, you just get your stuff back
and he isn't too incredibly difficult
random pawn
i thought you couldnt damage him when hes doing that lol
dull ingot
does it reappear back in your inventory? I just booked it once I saw the timer lol
polar anvil
You get items back
minor estuary
i was able to
polar anvil
The more you damage mithrix thr more items you get back
errant yew
question: is the mitrix strat for vanilla monsoon to fight him on the first or second loop? playing commando, ||i got him down to the phase where he took all my items and i was killed by some bullshit after||
eternal dagger
what are Captain's alt skills?
polar anvil
Going to unlock that right now
minor estuary
i dont think the loop would really help you as far as the item phase goes
technically that'd just make him harder
polar anvil
I think best is to kill mithrix preloop
eternal dagger
the loop would only be a detriment i would think
polar anvil
Yeah
minor estuary
you just have to have good dodging skills and know how to use cover
dull ingot
@sullen sable final boss
minor estuary
if you're playing melee you're fucked
eternal dagger
you gain levels very slowly at that point, while enemies keep ramping up
minor estuary
i do not know what to tell you
eternal dagger
without items, it's just a fuck
errant yew
alright. i had bought a dio before the fight since my greens weren't gonna help but he just fucking stole it
minor estuary
yeah
polar anvil
Lul
minor estuary
if you're playing commando i find the slide to be very helpful
just time it as he shoots
dull ingot
@eternal dagger one is a beacon that slowly decreases nearby interactables' prices to 0 and the other one refreshes your equip cd 2 times
dim flame
what the cheeks is this boss
errant yew
mando slide is helpful. my problem was that since i ran a transcendence build with no healing, i has nothing when he took away my shields
dim flame
he took everything
polar anvil
Uh oh
Overloading parents
dim flame
kill me
random pawn
i dont think mithrix gives your items back if you run transcendence
errant yew
i had got my gesture and some other stuff before i died just not what i needed
minor estuary
maybe just dont run transcendance
dry stream
Petition to rename Mithrix to Hammer Bro
minor estuary
i think thats more of an oversight than anything
polar anvil
I like the animation of alignment with planet
cursive jetty
did they buff fire elites again
polar anvil
No
cursive jetty
or am i just bad
minor estuary
bad
polar anvil
Bad
minor estuary
have you tried just not getting hit
polar anvil
All elites got an hp nerf
chrome hedge
Finally, I unlocked Captain. 🙏
N'kuhana's Opinion fired off a grand total of... 2 times.
polar anvil
Now unlock captain as captain on monsoon
errant yew
i dont know if anyone noticed but a bunch of the stuff in this game is awfully similar to destiny. mithrax - mithrix, septiks prime - alloy warship unit, blind well - void fields, the shaders, etc
wispy marlin
When mercenary has his 3rd hit on the enemy and they're exposed, if an ally is the one to hit it and proc it, whose cooldown gets lowered
sullen sable
@dull ingot beat the final boss and it's still locked
dull ingot
it's bugged
just like other things in this update
@wispy marlin whoever hit the enemy
chrome hedge
^What's bugged in this case?
dull ingot
log showing as a lock instead of a sillouette
polar anvil
Even bugs are bugged
chrome hedge
oh. for final boss?
dull ingot
yes
chrome hedge
I lucked out and it dropped a log on the phase 1 kill so I never noticed.
But that does mean it can drop it at any time.
broken ginkgo
Also, boss death wouldn’t count for your logbook
dull ingot
polar anvil
Mm probes AND vultures as enemies in void
minor estuary
if the logbook entry for captain isn't appearing you just have to play as him once
run
dull ingot
that's the same for every playable character @minor estuary
minor estuary
duh
polar anvil
Actually idc about bords
dull ingot
and we were talking about final boss
polar anvil
Captain good
gray rose
i just beat my first ever monsoon this game is great
broken ginkgo
👍
chrome hedge
Now beat some Eclipse. 👀 💦
dull ingot
can't believe that frogmando is finally real
bright palm
minor estuary
the
dull ingot
10/10 best update
chrome hedge
Oh, beating Eclipse 1 was also good for this achievement.
minor estuary
the what
dull ingot
hopoo added a frog
if you go to the starting location of the moon instead of the ship, you'll find a froge
chrome hedge
Save the froge... and miss the timer.
gray rose
wait Eclipse its an actual thing in the game i thought it was a joke oof
idk
the way @chrome hedge said it i thought it was
my bad im new to this game kinda
broken ginkgo
I only had time to unlock everything on captain, what Eclipse is about?
Besides HP and tele radius nerf
gray rose
^^
dull ingot
nothing, really
chrome hedge
Dunno yet... I only just beat Eclipse 1 after about 6 hours of trying.
dull ingot
just a challenge
gray rose
does it give you an achivement?
dull ingot
no
gray rose
oof
broken ginkgo
Is it like prism or you can do how manny stages you like?
polar anvil
Monsoonists now change into eclipsists
bronze walrus
Guys my friend is stuck in the final boss level, he jumped to the island with items but he can't jump back, has anybody encountered this problem?
chrome hedge
Eclipse mode in general is more padding. No achievement, just for the bragging rights... and the spectacle if you stream gameplay.
dull ingot
how many you like iirc
broken ginkgo
strange oxide
@bronze walrus many people have done that
doesnt jumping off teleport you back somewhere or does it insta kill you?
bronze walrus
Any way to solve it? If he jumps he got teleported back to the island
chrome hedge
@polar anvil Monsoonists with solo-only play and no Artifacts 
polar anvil
@chrome hedge no,monsoonists solo all artifacts no command
chrome hedge
But yeah, another important thing about Eclipse is that it is Singleplayer only, no artifacts.
polar anvil
I wonder what proc rste shotgun has
broken ginkgo
@north sequoia Everything, phase round teaches players to stay in mid-long range as commando. What results then to deal pathetic dmg cus of dmg fall-off. Because of that many players abound such a beautiful survivor
polar anvil
Uh oh
Enemies with dio
polar anvil
Ok
hollow plinth
theres a mod that makes phase round do lightning like aritficer nanobomb
its ok
but shotgun is life
minor estuary
why would you need a rework for phase round if you could just shotgun yea
polar anvil
Both abilties need to be viable
minor estuary
by the time you genuinely need to worry about crowd control you would just have will o wisp
arctic terrace
is this game lore just about 2 brothers creating shit from stones in different places
broken ginkgo
@north sequoia That’s a good question, the answer is idk. You can’t make it as close range ability cus blast exists, and long range ability doesn’t fit commando at all.
hollow plinth
not true unless you like getting blasted by wisp swarms
minor estuary
god forbid you poopy diaper
dim flame
is it better to rush the boss or build up items in the run?
minor estuary
rush the boss with a fair amount of items
broken ginkgo
Side grade, roll preforms much better in the air and can launch you into space, slide benefits you more on the ground and allows to fire while dodging
hollow plinth
i prefer build items, but both styles are fine
minor estuary
just play the game as you would normally, but dont loop
dim flame
thanks 😚
hollow plinth
yes. 2 irrelevant upsides, vs the one that gives you more mobility
broken ginkgo
I prefer slide myself, yet roll has its pros
minor estuary
if you become an overwhelming god that destroys everything by being in the mere presence of the enemy, you'll screw yourself over
broken ginkgo
More mobility on the ground? Yes
In the mid air? Definitely not
hollow plinth
most of the time you're not even sliding you're just long jumpinh really fast
minor estuary
powerslide is bettr
hollow plinth
powerslide lets you looong jump
minor estuary
it gives me an extra mini jump and if i didnt have that i would have lost this game at least twice as much
hollow plinth
its just better
muted spade
just slide and immediately jump
hollow plinth
yea. the loooong jump
minor estuary
grenades though
muted spade
the FLJ
minor estuary
was not worth the effort
polar anvil
Nades are good
broken ginkgo
Grenades are perfect
minor estuary
i do not enjoy using them
broken ginkgo
Sup fire
Pros:
-Allows you to stun 70% of all monsters
-Scales with attack speed
-have 10% more dmg than your m1
-Can benefit commando in procs even more futher
Cons:
-Since commando is 2nd best at procing items 1 stun grenade literally makes your m1 a sup fire
-very long cooldown (9s)
-Doesn’t solve the problem that commando has in early game - lacking in AoE power
Frags
Pros:
-have a neat dmg
-benefits even more in AoE aspect with ukulele and behemoth
-Solves the commando main weakness - lack of AoE power
-5 sec cooldown
Cons:
-Dont do that well against flying enemys (but you still have your m1 and m2 tho)
-you can’t meme with brainstalks that much(but you can throw tons of granades instead, so still preference)
hollow plinth
actually nades leave you with poor options vs flying enemies
broken ginkgo
Also bands
hollow plinth
which is worse than relatively bad aoe in my experiencr
polar anvil
Do i need to teach people what tradeoffs are
minor estuary
sup fire
pros: i shoot very fast
cons: shut up ur dead
frags: buh buh poop
hollow plinth
you can fix bad aoe, but not bad flying matchups
broken ginkgo
Yes? You still have your m1 and m2, it’s a sidegrade for a reason
Dealing 700% dmg to a flying enemy would be dum
hollow plinth
but you're still left with a bad time dealing with flying enemies
which is worse early game imo
since wisp swarms are a thing
polar anvil
Use other abilities
hollow plinth
being able to kill 2-3 wisps with suppresive fire is better
minor estuary
just get 5 ukeleles nothing will ever go wrong
hollow plinth
polar anvil
2-3 wisps will deal much more damage than 5 lemurians hugging right
broken ginkgo
Sup fire fires 6 shots that deals 600% dmg in total with no AoE ability, frags fixes commandos main weakness. How the fuck does they preform worse than sup fire early on? It’s exactly the opposite
hollow plinth
5 lemurians hugging totally isnt easy to dodge rite
minor estuary
when are you ever going to need to worry about 5 lemurians hugging
hollow plinth
cuz his aoe isnt even a problem
minor estuary
just move sideways
hollow plinth
when items exist
polar anvil
Ok command user
glossy pumice
dont forget Suppressive is a stun too so that can help with golems and beetleguards early
hollow plinth
the odds of having no gas or wisp or uke at stage 3 is so low
polar anvil
Gas is 1/24 chance to get as a white
minor estuary
just use a shotgun
polar anvil
Wisp and use would be 2/25
hollow plinth
his aoe is easy to fix while losing the ability to deal with wisp swarms can kill you
hollow plinth
also if a jellyfish spawns your entire run is fucked
minor estuary
couldnt you just shoot the jellyfish
polar anvil
Yeah we only have 4th abiltity
hollow plinth
while you could possibly pull it back with suppresive fire (not likely, fuck jellyfish)
polar anvil
And NO escape options at shift
broken ginkgo
Jelly will not detonate if they got hit by something
minor estuary
im monky
minor estuary
vagrant?
broken ginkgo
Vagrants probably the easiest flying enemy to use frags on, tentacles recieve full dmg ramp up
hollow plinth
his damage is so low early game tho
minor estuary
oh right we're talking about frags
polar anvil
@hollow plinth where are your so called items thrn
hollow plinth
giving up suppressive fire vs big jellyfish is like saying fuck my runs
polar anvil
Just explode your wisps near vagrant
minor estuary
shit never sits next to the vagrant unless you use the cube
broken ginkgo
I never had troubles with vagrants without sup fire
hollow plinth
and will position against you
glacial ruin
I get so distressed when playing any melee character vs jellyfish, I do not have the reaction time to dip out of its big boom
glad thunder
Question, just started playing again, are infinite runs gone, i beat the game and it just took me back to the main menu
hollow plinth
thats the nonmerc life m8
broken ginkgo
Mainly since I never run sup fire once I have grenades, I don’t need A slightly better M1 with a very long cooldown
polar anvil
@glad thunder touch the outer part of teleport on stage 5
glacial ruin
Wait thats how you do it?
glad thunder
Ohhh okay thank you ill still forget most likely
polar anvil
Yes
glad thunder
Forget
glacial ruin
I just did artifact challenges to get to other stages
hollow plinth
speaking of shitty fucking jellyfish, ive been getting exploded on even behind cover ever sjnce this update came out
i lost a captain run cuz i hid behind a tree while the thing was exploding but it decided to kill me anyways
polar anvil
Didn't hide good enough
hollow plinth
i was entirely behind the tree tho
broken ginkgo
The entire battle against vagrants is just shooting it and running is circles when it uses his charges on you
glacial ruin
ngl, i just bursted it down as captain
silk drum
Anyone else notice Acrid's M2 bouncing off wisps and brass contraptions or is it just me?
minor estuary
just dont take damage
glacial ruin
also is acrids bite viable now, the regen makes it feel that way
hollow plinth
unlesd you're merc and just r through it
polar anvil
Dunno
broken ginkgo
It always was viable, just become even better
polar anvil
Merc is a baby
haughty vigil
All Melee acrid works now that we have Mired Urn
hollow plinth
imagine thinking melee range acrid is viable wtf
polar anvil
No R?
haughty vigil
tank Acrid
glacial ruin
wisps are like a huge problem still cause holy shit I hate wisps in every way, but other then that, it seems fun
hollow plinth
no safety mechanic just pure chadliness
hollow plinth
ah yes the command tank acrid
minor estuary
loader can do melee because if you just punch hard you can do anything
sturdy cobalt
You are all wrong, but I won't explain why 😋
hollow plinth
100% uptime elephant
polar anvil
I only do command for stupid builds
minor estuary
unless you're fighting elder lemurians
or imp overlords
or the final boss
or really any enemy with a high damage short range attack
hollow plinth
elder lemurians did you mean dogshit antimelee enemies?
glacial ruin
lemurians are kind of easy im not gonna lie
broken ginkgo
Just take 
and destroy everything
glacial ruin
they only mess you up if you arent paying attention
hollow plinth
polar anvil
Memed you kinda sound like someone who hates anything not going their way
hollow plinth
if you're in melee range and they shoot fireballs you're dead
glacial ruin
Just strafe around them
hollow plinth
or half hp
dull ingot
if you're acrid in melee range everything around you should be dead
hollow plinth
eat one guy then get bursted down
glacial ruin
what should I build on melee acrid
hollow plinth
lmao
glacial ruin
cause I wanna do that now
dull ingot
devourer of lemurians
hollow plinth
teddy bear
polar anvil
@hollow plinth if you can't play a character it doesn't mean it's bad
broken ginkgo
Elder lemurians are very easy to fight, just let them stuck into their fire breath attack animation and you can deal a big amount of dmg in this moment
glacial ruin
you build teddy on everything, im wondering if its more on hit, or you buy all the melee crystals, or what
polar anvil
Then don't complain you can't melee
glacial ruin
also, is blight still useless
glacial ruin
by useless I mean, still worse then poison
hollow plinth
poison is just better once you get a little bit of aoe on kill
broken ginkgo
It results acrid on focusing 
instead of 
polar anvil
Yeah i can cast myself one stage 1
glacial ruin
so like, after the first few stages
true dragon
So is there no endless mode now ?
polar anvil
@true dragon touch oiter part of telepory on stage 5
true dragon
Ah ok
hollow plinth
you can still loop over and over by interacting with the stage 5 teleporter outside of the tekeporter model
glacial ruin
also, frenzied or caustic leap?? if im going blight I'd assume caustic?
polar anvil
Both work
hollow plinth
yea both are fine
polar anvil
Caustic works better for blight
broken ginkgo
Default leap much safer option, unlock requires to hit at least 2 targets to have same cooldown as default
polar anvil
Leep
broken ginkgo
Shush
polar anvil
Leep
broken ginkgo
Commando now steals from acrid
polar anvil
Badmando
broken ginkgo
polar anvil
Ree
glacial ruin
alright last question before I go into a run, how the hell do I deal with wisps on melee
polar anvil
Om nom nom
glacial ruin
cant reach em they're too high
polar anvil
Jump
slow forum
broken ginkgo
Just 2 already makes you able to easily stack bleed as commando
glacial ruin
All i can do atm is run around like a dumbass till my R is up
glossy pumice
on loader?
polar anvil
Acrid melee
minor estuary
you cant kill wisps
glacial ruin
Someone mentioned some ball and chain thing for a different acrid R and I want that very bad
minor estuary
get a tesla coil or somethin if you can
glossy pumice
yeah best way loader can deal with wisps other than R is aoe effects from will o', gasoline, and ukelele
molten trench
is acrid right click bouncing off of enemies or something this patch?
glossy pumice
seen it happen a few times, were you playing solo or multiplayer
glossy pumice
i think its client desync, need to confirm if it happens solo
molten trench
ill actually check right now
near geyser
@shut jewel how do you like the update my dude
shut jewel
Haven't played it yet
shut jewel
had to update Debugtoolkit so that other people can datamine
and then irl sutff
like sleep
broken ginkgo
How’s diluvian tho?
near geyser
ahahahaha well I hope you get to have some fun soon
shut jewel
fuck if I know
glacial ruin
oh btw what happens when you stack urns
shut jewel
you get a tall tower
stray flare
this might be a dumb question, but how can we go past the moon and reset?
if its possible
stray flare
how do we choose not to go to the moon
near geyser
click e on the teleporter prongs
molten trench
yeah i think the acrid m2 bouncing might be multiplayer related
stray flare
ahh tyty
near geyser
npnp
bleak plank
have the devs said anything about the captain's main attack? the constant clicking hurts my finger tbh. I don't think I'll play him again until I can hold down the mouse button to shoot
polar anvil
You can hold to charge shot lmao
bleak plank
yeah to narrow the spread
haughty vigil
does attack speed make his charge and reload faster?
bleak plank
I wish there was just a shotgun-blast toggle
haughty vigil
Nice, havent got him yet, wanna do it on Monsoon so I can get purity as well
glacial ruin
okay im getting the hang of just leaping to kill a single wisp lmao
okay lol nvm, for some reason 5 stone golems were just walking behind me, and I turned a corner to get away and one clapped me and I died
polar anvil
Get clapped
glacial ruin
is it a good idea to get infusion?, regen scales off max health so I feel like if I wanna be super tanky I just build that
tired wagon
So does the normal teleporter not spawn om stage 5 anymore? Its kinda making unlocking the captain skin tougher than i feel it needs to be simce i have to go through either a newt shrine or the setifact zone to do a loop
Artifact*
broken ginkgo
Just press e on the teleporter prongs
wispy marlin
the pressure paltes on the desert map, if you find one is the other one close by
polar anvil
@tired wagon apparently you can get skins for killing final boss now
tired wagon
👁👁
glacial ruin
yeah you do, it says "beat the game or obliterate" now
delicate yoke
I just saw someone turn into mithrix in a multiplayer run
tired wagon
2 birds one stone, gonna get that lumar and my captain skin
noble bear
it says "Beat the game or obliterate"
oak ravine
tbh obliterating still might be easier
tired wagon
I didnt catch that and i just turned my computer off for the night lol
delicate yoke
Man I just need to know if becoming the final boss is a bug or something
tired wagon
Yeah, usually i beef it around stage 4 but i also thought i had to use the artifact zone if i wasnt lucky so i died in there a few times too
broken ginkgo
Most likely a mod
delicate yoke
True but so soon?
delicate yoke
Oh welp
He was a weird dude and at the start he kept saying “don’t worry, god will help us”
tired wagon
Roleplaying lmao
delicate yoke
He was awesome tho
oak ravine
Also, I'm like super late with my response to this, but I kind of feel like the beacons being permanent is a good thing since I kind of interpret most of the Captain's kit as being useful for area control/ holding a specific zone, and with his anti-projectile passive procing more based on dps it makes defending one location a lot easier overall for him than most other characters that aren't Engineer.
tired wagon
||The boss is funny when he talks shit in game||
Dude i need to test this tomorrow but engi and cap seem like a stellar combo
Also i highly reccomend visions on captain, become the airstrike
delicate yoke
Captain is good support
tired wagon
He has the same interraction as huntress balista
glacial ruin
wait but captains M1 is super good
delicate yoke
^
polar anvil
@tired wagon wEaK
oak ravine
Yea right?
tired wagon
So is airstrike
oblique flame
Afterburner is also great on Captain, just make sure to use each one separately since chaining them together doesn't just stack charges.
delicate yoke
Wdym airstrike
tired wagon
Yeah his m1 is good, im just saying tontry it
polar anvil
Shift
tired wagon
Its fun as hell even if not as strong
oblique flame
The sound it makes when you combine it with Behemoth is just...MMMM
delicate yoke
I only take M1 as engi and sometimes acrid
oak ravine
Opinions on the M2? I give it a 6/10
tired wagon
Basically a controllable glowing meteor
glacial ruin
also, if you build like, crit + the new imp boss item + bleed on MUL-T isnt that like, the strongest thing in the game?
oak ravine
I'd like it more if it stunned more than one enemy at a time.
tired wagon
Probably
delicate yoke
Does visions make a shotgun on captain?
oak ravine
Good for elites, though.
tired wagon
Yeah i think m2 should pierce
dull ingot
hi does anyone know the xml code for the two new engineer skills
glacial ruin
I thought it would have pierce it was weird
oak ravine
it bounces at an angle if it hits the ground but it doesn't pierce.
delicate yoke
Anyone know where I can find some mods for RoR2?
polar anvil
@delicate yoke thunderstore
oak ravine
Also, I'm not sure if its lag or not but sometimes it doesn't stun enemies.
delicate yoke
Link?
true yoke
delicate yoke
I’m going to become god
polar anvil
Is it so hard to type out thunderstore
true yoke
wait for the mod updates though
1.0 requires a lot of the stuff to be the recompiled and all
delicate yoke
I mean yes but I googled it and got no results relating to RoR2
oak ravine
Also summoning the beacons on top of bosses actually does decent damage too so you may or may not wanna wait till they spawn to place them.
tired wagon
Yeah that chunks pretty hard
I really dont think the alt beacons on him are worth it at all
polar anvil
What does repair and recruit tc-280 mean
Just buy it? Or can captain do something to recruit drones
quartz saffron
just buy it
tired wagon
No it just means buy it
quartz saffron
find one, buy: achiev get
polar anvil
Shouldn't be hard with sacrifice
oblique flame
Some of the alt beacons sound worth it, but I'm not too sure anyway. The main one I'd keep is the healing one.
tired wagon
His passive beam things work on drones so the backup is actually pretty good on him
I feel like the active one is useless if youndknt find a food active/ you get fuel cells or catalyst
rare rapids
does scrappers spawn with artifact of sacrifice?
polar anvil
Yes
oblique flame
Then again...at some point you just get enough money from one kill to buy everything on the map, so at least one of them isn't that worth it unless your doing something like an obliteration speedrun or something
tired wagon
And the hack one seems like its only good for the fire stage reds or chance shrines
oak ravine
Well
tired wagon
Imo the active reset should be a cdr aura
oak ravine
the beacon for hacking sets shrines to 0 so you can effectively get 3 free items from it.
quartz saffron
does anyone have a picture of the golem chimera in game?
tired wagon
More consistent use for the "permanent" beacon
polar anvil
Shrines drop 3 items now?
oak ravine
they always did?
oblique flame
The one that tokyo drifts or the one that flies around and mimics the Templar's minigun?
tired wagon
No it used to be 2
oak ravine
Coulda swore I've gotten three from it before but whatever it's semantics, still two items is nice.
quartz saffron
I've killed some enemies by knocking them into wall
oblique flame
I'm curious as to whether or not you could knock a dunestrider into a hole in Aqueducts with it