you might still have vjoy installed then. I don't know if it shows up in programs and features but it does show up in the device manager
#ror2-tech-support
mild ridge
I'd highly suggest checking for that because a lot of people think it's not installed but it turns out it still is
autumn axle
ok I will see if I can get it removed if I have it thanks
Hey Ghor I have just checked my device manager and I do not have vjoy installed
mild ridge
ok, if you go to control panel and search for Set up USB game controllers does anything show up in the window that pops up?
for reference, mine looks like this
might be a little different on windows 10
autumn axle
I have three gamecube set ups in there XD LMAO
full bane
F in chat
mild ridge
ok, if it's not vjoy maybe there's some other software you installed to let your computer use the gamecube controllers
mild ridge
if you disable or remove those devices the game shouldn't have any more trouble accepting UI input from your mouse and keyboard
mild ridge
👍
haughty spade
well, i updated my bios, saldy i need update like 4 version, 1 by 1 so yea, gona test it, if i get error im gona send again dmp file oky?
mild ridge
sure
mild ridge
that's actually really really interesting. would you mind providing us with your motherboard info?
mild ridge
@haughty spade thanks! we appreciate it!
next schooner
@mild ridge would there be anything in my output log that would indicate what's causing the multiplayer issue?
mild ridge
@next schooner I looked it over and didn't find anything particularly obvious
the last thing I can think to do is have you and your friends open the console and issue the command steam_lobby_allow_persistence 0 before trying to start a game together
next schooner
okay thanks we'll give that a try when we're all online
also i noticed when hosting a private game I get this in the console
is there a way to know what that IP is?
young quartz
I don't think that's relevant.
next schooner
I'm trying to ping/tracert something to send to my ISP so they can help with figuring out what might be my issue with connecting to online play. Even if it isn't relevant I'd still like some info
next schooner
so is there a console command to display that IP in the game or would I have to use a separate program?
mild ridge
there isn't a console command for that. you can just google "what is my ip"
next schooner
okay thanks
static moth
hi i need help when i open the game it says early_acces_disclaimer and i did the steps to fix it and it doesent work. i tried uninstalling and reinstalling and didnt work either
mild ridge
EARLY_ACCESS_DISCLAIMER
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge, We have two known solutions for the topic 'EARLY_ACCESS_DISCLAIMER'. Would you like to view them? (Y/N)
mild ridge
y
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
- If you are using mods, your mods are likely out of date. Uninstall your mods and try starting the game again.
- If you have never used mods, the issue is fixed by installing Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015. Download the installer here and choose x64 if prompted to choose between x64 and x86. If the installation fails with the message "0x80070666 - Another version of this product is already installed." please uninstall Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015 (and 2017 if you have it) and try reinstalling it. Link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48145
mild ridge
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static moth
It worked. Thanks!
young quartz
Not tech support, but I am curious about something.
How come the game isn't set to catch exceptions related to Awake() setup (EARLY_ACCESS_DISCLAIMER related)? Obviously there's no reasonable way forward from that point, but couldn't there be some better way to handle the error?
mild ridge
@young quartz it probably will at some point, I just haven't had the time to get to it
seeing as that screen will be gone with the next content update that's probably the time to work something in
young quartz
Oh god, you're right, it's not even gonna be there
lyric edge
Any way to disable money/exp particles?
young quartz
@lyric edge Yes. Go to Settings, and it should be in the Gameplay tab.
lyric edge
Oh OK, I was looking In the graphics tab, no wonder I didn't find it, thx
young quartz
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hallow hedge
Has anyone figured out an issue to this bug?
I found the exact description of a bug me and my sister are facing but I don't see any solution anywhere I look... We can't play at all right now though
And no one solved the multiplayer lobby bug either huh? The one where people are invisible you can't select a character outside of commando and the match won't start
@dry verge still no word on this? I'm having this issue as well, both me and my sister. It's really frustrating not being able to find any word on it whatsoever. Even just a "yeah we know and it's being fixed" or "hey can you run some tests so we can try and reproduce it" would help a lot... :[
I have some screenshots of what this looks like.
If I click on the character I want to play it does nothing, only stays on commando...
Clicking Ready also does nothing, and I can't see the character the host has picked.
This is what happens when I click the blue boxes ^
And this is the little lobby HUD... I'm connected just fine, but nothing else works.
It makes the game unplayable for us sadly. Being locked to single player due to this bug is really unfortunate. Again I'm wondering what is known, if there are plans for this to be fixed soon (are the devs aware of it?), and is there a solution for fixing this now?
hallow hedge
here is the log for it
and a second one I took just incase something changed between them
coarse trail
Are you and your sis on 2 different PC's? @hallow hedge
hallow hedge
Yes @coarse trail
coarse trail
Hm, that does make the anti-malware a common denominator.
hallow hedge
Also again I really appreciate how hard you are trying to help, it really means a lot hun
coarse trail
It might be a long stretch, but if you could temporarily disable it, (re)start the game and lobby up again.
coarse trail
Yeah, from the logs and console errors it's consistently pointing to not being able to establish some kind of connection (due to whatever reason). Which... is weird that it happens at all because I can only assume the devs would've created a failsafe for, seeing people can play the game offline just fine.
I can only think of something somehow limiting your network in some manner or another. Could be your anti-malware, could be firewall, your router/modem, heck, even your internet provider.
You could try testing it on other machines if you have any, to exclude half of the aforementioned things. Or possibly wait for the devs, because they'll know exactly what their logs mean.
young quartz
The interesting thing that I've noticed is NullReferenceException.
coarse trail
Which is interesting, because generally speaking programmers try their bestest to avoid any scenario that results in that. ...having said that, it's also the most common exception, so... Either it's a very unique situation (that has to do with connections), or the game is somehow lacking pieces of code. Either by missing a piece of framework, or the installation somehow skipped files.
hallow hedge
No antimalware to be seen on both our computers, yet the bug remains :[
coarse trail
Damn
hallow hedge
Welp, new plan is to try and delete every file the game has to offer and do a reinstall. The person I saw talking about having this bug tried it with no luck but who knows, maybe I'll get lucky?
coarse trail
I'm just going to subtly @mild ridge , hope they won't kill me, and pas these two messages along: https://discordapp.com/channels/417739215355510784/559902278018924557/701737311800393801 https://discordapp.com/channels/417739215355510784/559902278018924557/701744734229495859
@hallow hedge not being able to play because of NullReferenceException and Intercepting bad or out-of-order lobby update I hope these two things might pop some interests.
Just out of curiosity, do you run Steam as admin?
hallow hedge
I suppose I don't
coarse trail
That's another thing you could try.
hallow hedge
That it is! Again trying anything beats nothing
Also thank you for pinging them
I was scared to xD I hope they don't kill you too, hell I hope they hire you...
coarse trail
Nah, I'm not smort enough yet. But I hope I narrowed it down by a bunch.
lost tulip
any news on the dedicated server being fixed and updated?
hallow hedge
Tested another game
No issue at all
So it's not my internet most likely...
Full reinstall didn't work as expected
Trying admin now
Admin also failed, same results as everything else
@coarse trail welp I tried everything we've thought of but still nothing works
coarse trail
Bah. I'm sorry, I don't have anything else I can think of. :C
hallow hedge
its okay hun'
you did more than anyone could hope for considering you are just a fellow player like me
here's hoping a dev comes along soon
humble vale
Someone knows if its possible to change survivors of someone in a room using console comands or with a custom room?
young quartz
I do not believe so, no. Why would yuo want to do that?
You mean change them in-game?
humble vale
i'm trying to play on splitscreen but the player 2 is stucked on Comando
he cant choose another char
And i mean changing on player select screen
elder plinth
my game reset all of its progress today, can someone help me get it back?
dry verge
@hallow hedge Yeah...still nothing huh. Although appreciate @coarse trail for trying to fix it. Sorry for pings
I know tons of people who have this problem and it legit prevents us from playing the game since launch
With not mention of if the devs even know its there.
coarse trail
It's K. Times like these is when I wish I just had more experience regarding problems like these.
regal plover
@hallow hedge I have been getting this same error with my friend, for some reason whenever I accepted an invite to his lobby. BUT after testing a few times, if he doesn't invite me and I just click to join his lobby, it doesn't show any issues. Maybe the issue is related to how steam invites work?
silk kindle
hi there, as i understand we can't bind "mouse wheel down" in key binding settings. I realy would like to bind it for jumping. Is it possible to edit some .cfg file or bind it with commands?
north python
someone have a link for the unity crash solution?
tight marsh
My save file got corrupted, is there any way to restore it or an older version of it?
sharp moth
I have good fps and 144hz but the game feels unsmooth and its very unsatisfying. this is the only game that does this for me. how to fix?
hallow hedge
@humble vale out of curiosity, you're having an issue where your friend is stuck on commando yeah? Does your friends screen show a bunch of blue boxes to the right like this?
@hallow hedge I have been getting this same error with my friend, for some reason whenever I accepted an invite to his lobby. BUT after testing a few times, if he doesn't invite me and I just click to join his lobby, it doesn't show any issues. Maybe the issue is related to how steam invites work?
@regal plover Oh I'll try this!! I hope it works
humble vale
@hallow hedge Nah, my problem was due to a mod that allows splitscreen
but i already solved, i found a better mod for splitscreen
hallow hedge
@Akutarex#1475 out of curiosity where did you find that mod?
@humble vale *
I've been looking for a way to play non-split screen games with split screen... Is there a universal solution being made or is it specific to RoR2?
hallow hedge
@regal plover sadly that didn't work for me 3:
regal plover
Rip :c
hallow hedge
@pallid ibex I couldn't find a rule against this so I'm going to ping you. There is a bug that's completely preventing a number of people from playing RoR2 in multiplayer. So far there has been no word from you devs on if you know of and are trying to fix it, so hopefully this makes you guys aware. I outlined everything above in detail, so far nothing has worked to fix it and Gearbox hasn't responded with anything useful yet either.
mild ridge
@silk kindle I just tried it and you can bind the mouse wheel to jump
@north python there's no single solution for crashes, but if you upload your output_log.txt and crash.dmp files I can take a look at them and see if there's any recommendation I can make
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
mild ridge
@elder plinth steam cloud unfortunately doesn't keep file backups
@hallow hedge you probably won't get much help out of pinging hopoo since networking isn't one of his responsibilities
my first question in the case of your issue is if you or any of the people you're playing with have ever used mods
this behavior is indicative of a network desync
mild ridge
@north python your crash.dmp file indicates a crash in your graphics driver
make sure your drivers are up-to-date and do a clean driver install if that doesn't fix the issue
hallow hedge
@mild ridge I have used mods in the past, but for the update I removed all of them from the files so I could get the vanilla experience. I also tried deleting all of the game files, uninstalling, and reinstalling RoR2 with no luck.
mild ridge
what about the people you're playing with? are you able to play with people other than them fine, like in quickplay?
hallow hedge
I'll try quickplay real fast
north python
they are up to date i cut the vsync on my geforce too microste vc++2005 is reinstal too
mild ridge
@north python this may be related to your issues, as it's the same .dll causing the crash https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/c2v3b4/crashing_with_nvwgf2umx_error/
hallow hedge
For the record I can't join games my sister makes, and she can't join games I make
So it's two way
mild ridge
someone mentions overclocking in here, that could be an issue too
hallow hedge
And yup! Quickplay worked without issue
mild ridge
are you 100% positive your sister doesn't have any mods or any mod files left over in the ror2 folder?
one player having mods and one not can cause this issue
hallow hedge
I did the same treatment to her as I did to me, removed everything before hand and when that didn't work I deleted all the files, uninstalled, and reinstalled ror2
mild ridge
are you on the same network?
hallow hedge
Is there somewhere besides program files x86/steam/steamapps/common/risk of rain 2 where some mod files may be left over?
mild ridge
I don't think so
hallow hedge
And no we are on two different networks
mild ridge
hmmmmm okay
I'd say check to see if your sister can get into character select through quickplay
might help isolate the issue
mild ridge
if you both wouldn't mind, please have both of you shut down the game, start it again, try to get into character select, then close the game. then, upload both of your output_log.txt files
?files
whoops, looks like the bot is napping
hallow hedge
Even bots need their beauty rest :0
As you might expect I'll need to know where to find the log.txt
It just kicked me out instantly
mild ridge
yeah, hold on I'm getting the bot back online
hallow hedge
Should I try to get back in so I am sitting on that screen or get the txt from this point?
mild ridge
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
hallow hedge
And alright no worries
mild ridge
@hallow hedge ⬆️
get the .txt
if you try to do anything else it'll have unrelated information
hallow hedge
Alright we both alt+F4ed
mild ridge
it resets every time the game restarts
hallow hedge
I'll find these now
Mine
Hers
@mild ridge Alright I've got them both
Again just for the record I never got to the character selection screen this time, I just saw a black screen for a while and then was kicked back to the main menu.
Sometimes it does that, other times I get in but it just looks like this. No time on the Ready button (clicking it also does nothing), no sign of the character they've picked, a bunch of blue boxes to the right, and clicking characters does nothing, it just stays locked to commando.
mild ridge
@hallow hedge ok, so I've gotta ask first just to be sure. have either you or your sister restarted steam or your computer since this issue began?
sometimes steam holds open a connection between two machines in a weird way that ror2 can't really deal with and the only way to close that connection is to restart
hallow hedge
I have, and there has also been a PC restart, but hey I can try again if you like?
I've done a lot of things since the last attempt
Stuff Gearbox suggested ect
mild ridge
if that still doesn't work I have one last suggestion that might work
mild ridge
the last thing you can try doing is connecting directly by IP
whichever one of you chooses to host will need to forward port 7777 to your pc
hallow hedge
Oh god not port forwarding xD
mild ridge
you can then start a private game and the other player can join through the console with the command connect ipAddressGoesHere:7777
hallow hedge
Aye, that is something I can try
Is this more a potential temporary work around for us, or would the results help you narrow things down so you all can fix this?
mild ridge
unfortunately I couldn't find any sort of concrete error in your logs
hallow hedge
I'm guessing this doesn't help either?
mild ridge
this is pretty much the same info that goes into the log files
hallow hedge
Is there anything else I could do to help you guys fix this? It basically makes the game unplayable for me and the other people that this has affected, so I'll happily do anything you need. You can remote access my computer for all I care if it'll help
mild ridge
I guess I'd be curious to know if any other games that use steam p2p networking have this issue between the two of you
it's weird that both of you can connect fine to other people but not each other
trying to think of some
hallow hedge
I tested with this game called Shellshock Live which is notorious for having a very unstable connection, it worked fine though and I believe it's hosting works similar?
If you have a specific game I should try I can though
mild ridge
I think garry's mod uses it now? not sure
looking at Shellshock Live it seems like it uses a different networking setup than we do
castle crashers might use steamworks p2p
mild ridge
whoever hosts in gmod will need to use the command p2p_enabled 1 in the console first
hallow hedge
How does one pull up the console?
mild ridge
~
hallow hedge
@mild ridge GMod worked perfectly
I'm going to try to delete the hopoo files and reinstall ror2
@dry verge I have a question about that bug in RoR2 you are having... Have you modded the game at any point?
mild ridge
@hallow hedge if you can get your steam id you can host and have your sister try using the console command connect_steamworks_p2p steamIdGoesHere to try to skip the lobby system altogether
hallow hedge
That sounds a lot more practical than port forwarding
I'll try that after I see if deleting hopoo worked
mild ridge
I don't know that it's going to work. it's not the same as connecting directly by IP which does require port forwarding
and is probably more likely to work
hallow hedge
Everyone hates port forwarding though... Minecraft ruined it for us all. I doubt many people will want to do it, most will probably hope and pray for a hotfix
mild ridge
this was the only thing that stuck out to me in your log files: GameNetworkManager.OnClientP2PConnectionFailed steamId=76561198208923393 sessionError=Timeout
hallow hedge
I'll do it if the results would help you figure out the issue though
mild ridge
the thing is I don't know how many people are actually affected by this issue
a workaround isn't the ideal solution but if it gets the game working and the issue is only affecting a small number of people we have to spend our limited resources elsewhere
hallow hedge
I've seen two others here and two more made a steam forum post about it? I'd say it's somewhat rare but not extremely so
I'm messaging the others I know of in hopes they'll join in
Here is a link to the steam discussion btw: https://steamcommunity.com/app/632360/discussions/1/2141966124569113360/
I just noticed something
The person who posted that report lists the stuff they tried to do to fix it, and port forwarding is one of the things they did with no luck
So it looks like port forwarding also does not work
mild ridge
port forwarding won't affect it if you're not using the direct IP connection method, which we don't really publicly document anywhere
I doubt that's what was used
I guess are either of you using a VPN or proxy?
I'm looking into steam p2p timeouts and I'm not getting very many exact results but tabletop simulator comes up a lot and that mentions VPNs and firewalls as issues
mild ridge
I mean you could give it a shot
hallow hedge
I'm desperate enough so sure
mild ridge
I really wish I had better answers and solutions to give
hallow hedge
@hallow hedge if you can get your steam id you can host and have your sister try using the console command
connect_steamworks_p2p steamIdGoesHereto try to skip the lobby system altogether
@mild ridge using this method failed with this printout in the log :[
vpn test next
so ah
vpn looks like it's actually working...
Why I don't know, never needed one before and it's only ror2 that needs it, but it might actually have fixed it
mild ridge
my current guess about what's happening is that the p2p connection is being established but something is preventing it from actually sending any data
it could be a firewall thing
hallow hedge
I uninstalled every antimalware and disabled the firewall so idk how it could be
we both use the same isp I suppose but why would they block your game
mild ridge
usually when there's a desync there are a lot of error messages, but there weren't really any in the log files. looking on it further it seems like the data couldn't make it to the client at all, maybe vice-versa as well
hallow hedge
but why for only ror2
mild ridge
beats the heck out of me
tacit gyro
i mean its using the unity networking right? so alot of unity games you should have a problem with then
hallow hedge
thats bizarre
mild ridge
@tacit gyro not exactly. it's using steam p2p connections
hallow hedge
but this is the only one, ive tested unity and p2p based games with no issue
mild ridge
I mean it is using unet yes but the actual transport layer is steamworks
I dunno what to say, we don't have any say on what steam does with the data, we just hand it off and expect it to be delivered
hallow hedge
It sucks, but if the vpn actually lets us play full games thats a win for us if no one else
mild ridge
it could be your router's security settings, though I still don't know why ror2 doesn't work but gmod did
hallow hedge
I just don't get why now since ror2 worked fine before the update, and why ror2 but no other game
yeah what you said xD
mild ridge
It just occurred to me that since tabletop simulator has the most similar setup to us that'd be a good thing to test with if you can
hallow hedge
I could try with them? no vpn and vpn?
mild ridge
yeah, I'd say try it without the vpn
hallow hedge
@mild ridge Huh well it's the same issue in table top simulator!
Did you switch the hosting method in the latest update? Maybe it's something to do with updating unity?
mild ridge
we did update unity but we didn't update the networking library or setup
young quartz
If I recall, the version that the game was updated to was actually the final build to support UNet.
While future builds "support" it, they don't exactly play nice with it
pliant remnant
Any can tell if risk of rain 2 runs on 60 fps on console?
hallow hedge
@young quartz so it's possible that if RoR2 ever gets updated to something newer, perhaps a 2019. build, they will have to use a different hosting solution (and hopefully that means one that's less buggy)?
young quartz
They won't have to use one, but it'll be recommended since it's deprecated. UNet is only receiving critical fixes such as security issues.
That, and hosting solutions and multiplayer APIs for Unity are surprisingly annoying to come by... trust me on this one.
dry verge
@hallow hedge nope not even once although I do think my friend who also has the issue did edit his lunar coins
And for this glitch while yeah it's probably not super common there's an entire separate discord group all of people with this exact same glitch and none of us know any solutions
hallow hedge
@dry verge can you open the game from scratch and try to join with your friend, then once you get to the screen of sadness press Ctrl+Alt+` and screenshot what it says?
And yeah, there seems to be a small yet strong minority of people who have had their game just completely break in this manner from the last update ._.
It's really unfortunate
dry verge
From the latest update they got this problem? Damn me and him had it since launch
Sure just need him to get on
But I'ma tag others I know have the issue
@Dester Tae#6969
@next schooner @TDTVoid#7981 @Tored#9975 @unknown#0186 @Edowardo#5451
@timber yacht
hallow hedge
Most of those tags didn't work
It started just at this update for me and a lot of people
Weird you've had it forever though
But hey I'll still try and help you figure it out
dry verge
Ya sorry think most are friends of jaff thathave the issue or friends of friends idk
Thank you
fallen pier
just can't select character. had a problem with it since i bought the game 5-6 months ago i think. tried with and without vpn.
however i can select as host but i've noticed that nobody else besides the host can
and once when i tried with vpn too i could select a character. but that was like once per 30 tries
very rare
wild spoke
Feels like since the Artifact update that Risk of Rain 2 multiplayer has had some lagging issues, not sure if its happening for others
marble dock
Im not sure if it was the update, possibly... But me and a friend played yesterday completely lag free and now whoever joins the host lags around 1-2 seconds behind with every skill/weapon :/ Anyone else having multiplayer lag?
idle pumice
Yo guys, is there supposed to be no anti-aliasing in the game? i have jaggies for days
https://i.imgur.com/PlhzTHH.png here is AA turned on in nvidia control panel.
balmy marsh
Has there been a fix for the keyboard and mouse not working?
young quartz
"Fix"? @balmy marsh What's your issue?
balmy marsh
When I boot up the game only the escape and enter keys work
No mouse cursor or anything
young quartz
i saw that
oi, oi, OI
young quartz
o i c
mild ridge
it's been a long time since I've had any project in a language without strong typing + proper static analysis
no gamepad binding
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge, We have two known solutions for the topic 'no gamepad binding'. Would you like to view them? (Y/N)
mild ridge
y
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
This issue occurs when Windows is reporting a gamepad, joystick, or other input device providing a non-neutral input. This is usually caused by:
- Having a gamepad, flight stick, HOTAS, pedal, racing wheel, or any other kind of non-keyboard/non-mouse input device plugged in. Simply unplug the device from your computer.
- Having vjoy installed. If you've ever tried to use a GameCube controller with your PC, you probably have it installed. Opening your computer's Device Manager window should allow you to disable or uninstall it.
mild ridge
@balmy marsh ⬆️
balmy marsh
So I can't do anything if I have my set-up plugged in? I used to be able to workaround it by binding everything to a single axis but now I can't even reach the bindings menu.
That's kinda frustrating then...
mild ridge
@balmy marsh it's kind of a consequence of the fact that the menus used to have a cursor even for gamepads, but we ended up changing it to native directional navigation with this update because I guess to most gamepad players that feels unpolished. the game didn't have to choose between kbm/gamepad before in the menus but now it does.
you might be able to disable the device in the device manager instead of physically unplugging it
you may just have to unplug/disable the device that's not in the neutral position
balmy marsh
I assume there's no ini or settings files I can dig through to disable stuff? I've had to do that more than once with games like ACIV Black Flag.
mild ridge
we don't have a setting for something like that unfortunately
orchid temple
After this mornings update a friend and I noticed a large delay when joining someone elses lobby
one other person mentioned it earlier, took a clip for example. It even happens whilst selecting characters
raw parcel
any idea why i'm not unlocking naturopath? will post a screenshot of the items i had upon completing the third teleporter, artefact of command active
?
ashen axle
After this mornings update a friend and I noticed a large delay when joining someone elses lobby
@orchid temple I have the same issue. Doesnt matter who hosts or what connection i have. My cabel is 1000/1000 mbit. My friends is the same, and he lives in the same building. Changing to 4G gives the same result, still very laggy.
lofty glacier
@raw parcel Healing drone? Shrine of the woods? Gnarled woodsprite? Those are the only things I can think of that would stop it but wouldn't show here
orchid temple
Ye i've seen a few people saying the same thing on the reddit too. Super strange
lofty glacier
The wiki also states "Taking a Blue Portal for the 3rd Teleporter Event will avoid the challenge," the wiki of course can be wrong but it's the best lead I have
supple quarry
Not sure if this is where I should report this, but I need help. I was in the bizzare and I used to teleporter to get out (I think), but when I got teleported, my screen turned black. I alt tabbed out but when I tabbed back in and pressed ESC, it pulled the menu up and Im still in the bizzare. Now I can't move or anything, when I press the menu again to resume nothing happens but I can still pull up menu anytime. Anytihng I can do
?
jovial flare
Hey, just saw they released a hotfix patch. Are the constant crashes fixed?
mild ridge
@supple quarry that sounds like what happens when the game can't find the stage you're supposed to go to. do you have any mods installed, and did you use the seers in the bazaar?
@jovial flare you could try and see, I guess. depending on what your crashes are though you may want to check on your hardware and bios. We had someone here a few days ago that was getting regular crashes very early in the game with nothing tying them together and they found that updating their motherboard BIOS fixed the issue.
@orchid temple we didn't change any of the networking stuff. were either you or your friend using a VPN?
supple quarry
Sadly I had quit the run. I didn't use the seer or any sort of mods. I had the achievments incorrigible and the overloading worm one. It was a shame but thanks for responding anyways
mild ridge
if it happens again please come back to this channel right away and upload your output_log.txt file
actually, it might still be there now.. it gets wiped whenever the game is reopened so if you haven't done that I can still take a look at the file
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
static comet
i'm having issues with multiplayer
orchid temple
@mild ridge No, neither of us are or were using a VPN. There was a slight improvement when we joined each others lobby using the clipboard number but the delay was still fairly significant. Really unsure what could be causing it
static comet
regardless of me or my friend joining each other's games, it takes VERY long to load nor does the menu work properly once it does. No VPNs on either side, connection seemed to be fine in other games
mild ridge
@static comet have you or your friend tried restarting steam or your PC since the issue began?
static comet
I have, yes... I even went as far as re-installing my GPU drivers and everything else as I assumed it was an issue on my side at first.
Also performed a full re-install of the game and verified game files
we never had issues joining each other's games prior to the recent update, if that is helpful in any way.
mild ridge
@static comet today's update or the one from the end of march?
static comet
today's patch, sorry for not being more specific
i'm unsure on whether the output logs are affected given the fact that i re-installed the game, however, I'll send them here anyway.
mild ridge
I'm not seeing anything that stands out here, unfortunately. I wonder if maybe windows firewall is blocking the game because it updated and no longer considers it the same?
steamworks p2p will use relay servers if for some reason it isn't able to make a direct connection between two players
but that could introduce latency
someone else was also having an issue that I currently suspect has something to do with a firewall on either the machine or the network
static comet
i don't know too much about these things, however, I have the game in the list of firewall exceptions. Unsure about my friend though
i'm gonna play a single player run so i wont be checking discord for a while, but feel free to ask me anything else you may be curious about or w/e
gray peak
today after the patch i started crashing a LOT, like 4 times so far
static comet
no crashes for me, game has been running perfectly... only thing was the multiplayer problem
ancient flume
Was the Dedicated Server fixed by this update?
mild ridge
@ancient flume yes
@gray peak someone here solved a similar issue by updating their BIOS, might be worth trying
gray peak
hmm, i do have a bios update available.
first things first, gotta say, i love this game, and thanks a ton
also loved the first one
mild ridge
thanks 😄
gray peak
from the error log ERROR: SymGetSymFromAddr64, GetLastError: 'Attempt to access invalid address.' (Address: 00007FF8278467AF)
mild ridge
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
mild ridge
if you wouldn't mind uploading the crash.dmp file that would be helpful
gray peak
No problem
mild ridge
looks like something went wrong in the physics engine's cloth simulation
might be worth checking that your graphics driver is up-to-date as well
ancient flume
@mild ridge You sure? Anytime someone attemps to join it just sends them back to the game's main menu and I get this error in the DS window.
"Warning: wrong connectionId in received user packet"
No mods or custom settings used.
Perhaps I just have the wrong port forward settings?
mild ridge
most likely the case
I got confirmation from someone who runs ror2 dedicated servers that it's working again
mild ridge
probably both
ancient flume
I'll try it. Thank you. Sorry for dumb questions.
mild ridge
don't worry about it all, dedicated servers are often not the easiest thing to get running
ancient flume
Hmm...
It seems to be working now. People can join and everything... But anyone who joins who isn't on my Steam friends list their name comes up as "unknown" and everyone's name in the Steam server browser is "???".
mild ridge
yeah, that's a currently known issue. the names will probably show up if either player reconnects. we only ask steam what a person's name is once and if it's a person not on your friend's list steam likely doesn't know yet
so you just get ??? since it would have to do a network request to find out
we'll probably get it to actually make that request, wait for the results, then apply them at some point
mild ridge
@plush smelt my only guess is that it's a firewall or VPN issue. something might be keeping the two of you from connecting directly so steam has to resort to using relay servers that add latency
I can't say for sure, but it's the only explanation I have at the moment
tribal grotto
@hallow hedge I am having the exact same issue with multiplayer right now on p2p. No antimalware or VPN. We both tried uninstalling and reinstalling and no change.
Update! @mild ridge Sorry to ping
I found a fix to the multiplayer issue for blackscreen/not connecting.
We both disabled inbound rules for TCP and UDP firewall for Windows Defender on ROR2 and It fixed the connection issues.
echo fiber
anyone having framerate issues in the menu screen?
my friend hasn't played in a while and he updated the game and when it opened up the framerate was low and his mouse was slow. He has a good computer and even just to test it we lowered all the settings and it still didn't help. I had him uninstall and reinstall it, check the integrity of the game and it was still bad
iron bobcat
I can't seem to find where I change the name of "Horde of Many" in the text files
anyone care to help me find it?
paper sonnet
hi, my game currently does not seem to lock my mouse into the window, which caused the cursor to constantly click out of the game and is super annoying. it only started to occur after the artifact update and its really annoying, tried reinstalling/verifying game files and still couldnt fix it. any help?
hallow hedge
@tribal grotto I've been getting it to work if I play with a VPN turned on, but I might just try what you suggested...
worn cipher
Thinking of getting Linux, does RoR2 work with Proton?
mild ridge
@worn cipher https://www.protondb.com/app/632360
@paper sonnet please post your output_log.txt file if you don't mind
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
wild laurel
hi guys, just bought the game and it wont launch... I looked at this FAQ:
PROBLEM The game won't launch - crashes on startup!
FIX Please make sure to update your Graphics Drivers, disable any Antivirus, and restart your PC. Afterwards, reinstall the game!
i did everything and it didnt work. please help
mild ridge
@wild laurel please upload your output_log.txt and crash.dmp files if you have them
orchid flame
hi @mild ridge
mild ridge
hello.
orchid flame
how is your day
mild ridge
busy as usual, but good
wild laurel
where do i find these?
mild ridge
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
orchid flame
i have a question
tacit gyro
dont ask to ask just ask
mild ridge
that depends on a lot of things. items need models, effects, and the behavior sometimes requires even more assets and code. for example, the resonance disk and lepton daisy took a really long time to develop. Something like repulsion armor plate didn't take long because it has a simple model and only adjusts a simple calculation without touching a bunch of systems or requiring extra assets
wild laurel
weird. cant find this files
mild ridge
when it crashes, what is the behavior like? Do you get any sort of popup window?
are you able to screenshot it if so?
wild laurel
i have a window, black screen, then crashes and back to steam
mild ridge
that's really weird that it doesn't generate a crash report
wild laurel
ill try unistaling steam maybe
mild ridge
maybe this?
oh, this doesn't have a crash, nevermind
it's just a straight crash to desktop with no message?
gray peak
dang, had a crash again
mild ridge
@gray peak how long did it take to crash?
gray peak
ive had it on for around 8 hours
mild ridge
ah
gray peak
i think
gray peak
This was the dump that i got, if it matters
mild ridge
@wild laurel for some reason your game can't access steam
mild ridge
are you launching the .exe directly or launching it through steam?
@gray peak looks like a different crash from before, it tried to access memory it didn't have permission to while trying to updating a particle system
did you already try updating your motherboard BIOS?
mild ridge
I'm starting to suspect that crashes with nothing in common are probably a sign of hardware/driver/BIOS issues
@wild laurel are you launching the game through steam or directly from the executable?
wild laurel
i tried both
gray peak
That was fun, the asus software for my mobo blue screened me
Good thing my bios has a tool in it to upgrade it over the internet
mild ridge
@wild laurel I guess you could try reinstalling steam?
orchid flame
yays
mild ridge
😄👍
orchid flame
you can now almost die because a clay templar looked at you a littie bit
latent meadow
@mild ridge hey, just showing up to say I swapped in a new 2060 super, and i still get crashes
any update on how to fix this, or are you still waiting for response from unity?
mild ridge
@latent meadow someone here who was getting random crashes managed to fix it by updating their motherboard BIOS
latent meadow
uhh
i've done that recently
could it still be a RAM issue on my side if it only happens in this game?
mild ridge
maybe? is your RAM overclocked?
latent meadow
using XMP, yeah
mild ridge
try disabling that if you can
latent meadow
ill give it a shot
orchid flame
found this in theorycrafting
latent meadow
@mild ridge that seems to have worked so far, cheers!
orchid flame
i want @mild ridge to see this
latent meadow
in... tech support?
orchid flame
its the only place ive seen him in
mild ridge
@latent meadow glad to hear it!
acoustic edge
Hey there! Wanted to ask, if anyone has a fix for the multiplayer not working glitch, where the person joining can't select a character or loadout!
If yes, please @ me, I miss playing with my friends lmao
orchid flame
static lichen
Just a question. I'm not sure I kept the original .txt files for item names and descriptions and I was wondering if there was an easy way to get em back?
mild ridge
@acoustic edge if you haven't restarted steam or your PC since the issue began try doing that first. if it still doesn't work make sure you're not using a VPN or proxy and be sure windows firewall/windows defender isn't blocking ror2
@static lichen if you validate your game files they'll be replaced with the originals
gray peak
That was interesting, i crashed to desktop 5 minutes 38s into my first run of the game
no error log generated
this is what i got
orchid flame
@mild ridge how long did it take to make the 57 leaf clover
mild ridge
I don't know, maybe a day or two days for everything? that was probably two years ago so I don't remember specifics
orchid flame
thank you i just thought "how long did that take"
mild ridge
@gray peak that's very bizarre. it just seems to cut off
gray peak
yeah, i picked up the ap rounds
and im off to desktop
i have updated my bios, and i am using the latest graphics driver
mild ridge
I don't suppose you have your RAM overclocked, do you?
gray peak
yeah it has the XMP profile
mild ridge
I'd suggest disabling that if possible
gray peak
id be bummed if my ram was not liking using that
mild ridge
someone who was having random crashes apparently had their issue fixed by turning that off
gray peak
well its worth a try
hallow hedge
@acoustic edge I've had some success getting it to work by using a VPN for some reason
steady topaz
@orchid flame this is not the place to post memes, goto #ror2-memes or if you have game related questions ask them at #ror2-game-questions
This particular channel meant to help people who cant play the game properrly.
Its kinda not nice to bother devs by pinging them, they got whole game to do.
@acoustic edge If you made all the checks and its still not working for you - try dirrect connection or lan emulating software (like radminvpn)
For direct connection you will need your friend external ip. myip.com will show that.
Then your friend should host private game and you should activate console ``+ctrl+altand execuceconnect 192.168.1.1:7777command, where you should use your friend ip instead. For lan emulation you need to be in the same virtual network, get your friend ip from that program. To host your friend need to open the console same way and executehost 1command. Then you can connect to him with same command as above, but use lan emulated ip instead. (for exampleConnect 26.21.85.247:7777) Itsa a good idea to see if your connection is decent enough. ping` command shows rtt=999 that's your ping in ms.
full spruce
paper sonnet
hi, my game currently does not seem to lock my mouse into the window, which caused the cursor to constantly click out of the game and is super annoying. it only started to occur after the artifact update and its really annoying, tried reinstalling/verifying game files and still couldnt fix it. any help?
@mild ridge sorry for the late reply, but here the log. the last time i booted up my game it crashed mid-game, then i just changed the dx version to hopefully fix it
daring kestrel
Hello still did not get any answer on my bug report. Who can help?? Game is crashing every run at random points. The issue: game freezes up and game closed with "unity crash". Have tried all sorts of things like update driver, windows, run as admin, verify files, close antivirus. Who has the fixing answer?
trail birch
Hi, sorry to bother you guys, I’m new to the community but been having issues with multiplayer. Probably been mentioned before, not loading in to games cannot host games, quick play either auto kicks or doesn’t load in properly. I’ve tried reinstalling, verifying, restarting router and port forwarding, different internet connection. I’ve recently updated to the latest patch so will update on what happens with that
fading quail
anyone else can only invite friends ? no multiplayer available
normal ermine
i keep getting a bsod with risk of rain and armello , both on unity . other games i have run on max just fine
daring kestrel
is this discord even helping? might as well email directly
hushed bone
👋
My game keeps crashing like once every hour. Does anyone know how I can fix this/find the issue?
hushed bone
This window pops up and then it just crashes
gilded berry
Has anyone else had a crash with the artifact of sacrifice, command, and enigma on?
Are these artifacts broken?
It disconnects me and my friend every time we attempt to play.,
I don't have mods.
daring kestrel
@hushed bone perhaps the same problem my friend has with that unity crash shit
orchid flame
you guys can wait for @mild ridge to come back
orchid flame
i found it in some files of maybe ror1 and its called "uknown monster"
gilded berry
How is that tech support related
orchid flame
just a question
daring kestrel
so this Ghor guy is on holiday? or ur his m8? or what
orchid flame
i dont know
latent meadow
@daring kestrel heya, i had the same problem and fixed it by disabling my RAM overclock
though this is the only game it's happened to me in, and Ghor says the cause of each crash for people who have this problem seems totally random
it's most likely an internal engine problem and afaik he's still waiting for Unity to get back to him about it
hope that's a little bit helpful
finite robin
Same problem, issuing unity crashes even without any artifacts
mild ridge
@orchid flame I don't know. I didn't work on ror1
orchid flame
oh ok
mild ridge
@finite robin @daring kestrel @hushed bone @normal ermine so far what I've been seeing results from in regards to the crashing issue is making sure your graphics drivers are up-to-date, your motherboard BIOS are up-to-date, and making sure your RAM isn't overclocked and disabling that if so
@gilded berry
orchid flame
finite robin
I didn't have that issue even yesterday, but today game crashed almost every run
mild ridge
@paper sonnet unfortunately I don't see anything that stands out in the log file. it could be some external program interfering or if you have touch input enabled on your device that could be preventing the game from locking the mouse cursor as well
finite robin
Maybe I can send you some logs or smthng like that?
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
finite robin
Yeah, sure, can I send them here?
mild ridge
yep
@orchid flame the enthusiasm is appreciated but please remember that this channel is reserved for helping users with their technical issues with the game
orchid flame
i just wanted you to see it
mild ridge
it is pretty dang neat, but the game discussion channels are better suited for that sort of thing
mild ridge
you too 👍
finite robin
Uh, i can only find output log in Appdata
Both in Local and LocalLow
oh wait
found them
is that it?
mild ridge
yep
finite robin
If you need any information about my system - i'm here. I have OC'd ram but it passes all tests (memtest, aida64, occt etc.)
mild ridge
@finite robin interestingly, your crash dumps are consistently showing the error originating from the same place. Most of others are seemingly random. That said, this is the first time I've seen a crash from this engine function. I'd still advise that you try playing with your OC disabled first and see if that solves the issue.
finite robin
Oh, okay, i'll try, but that can drastically decrease my performance :/
By the way, thank you very much for that fast responce
hushed bone
@mild ridge Everything is already up to date on my system. Forcing the game to run in directx 9 mode seems to have fixed it though
So solved I guess
daring kestrel
@latent meadow thanks! great info, i was really scratching my head about it, i don't think the RAM of my friend is overclocked tho, but good to know it can be totally random..
@mild ridge Thanks as well! will check the BIOS date
paper kayak
Is There a Reason why RoR2 is literally Making my Graphic Card Transforming into a Starting Fighter Jet? ( AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT)
mild ridge
@paper kayak you may want to use the FPS limit option in the settings menu
paper kayak
Is it Going Crazy Because FPS go to high?
mild ridge
though I think it defaults to your monitor's refresh rate
it might be, it might not be
that's the only thing I can think of that would cause that at the moment, though
paper kayak
Thank you i'll try setting it to 60
And 1 Last Question,
Is there a Difference between 59hz and 60hz?
or why can i choose between them
mild ridge
the 59hz is probably there because your monitor supports 59hz
paper kayak
can't imagine it makes a difference having 1 less hz
mild ridge
yeah idk but there's some reason for it
paper kayak
Kk i'll google it
Ty for your Help Mr. Developer
mild ridge
👍
orchid flame
@mild ridge what controllars work for ror2 on pc
mild ridge
@orchid flame pretty much anything you can control another PC game with
orchid flame
i tried a switch controllar with it and it did not work
mild ridge
you'll probably need to set up Steam to handle remapping that
it has a pretty good system for remapping controllers for any game
orchid flame
ok thank you im trying to play it on pc for first time and keybord aint my style[played ror2 on switch]
orchid flame
@mild ridge how do you remap contralors on steam
mild ridge
@orchid flame if you open the game in your library you should be able to find this button
orchid flame
ok thank you
gilded berry
@mild ridge Where did I say I was crashing? Cmon man I know you're busy but how does a freakin motherboard bios or ram or this or that have anything to do with being disconnected only from online play with friends after an update, where as everything worked perfectly fine before? How would drivers be related to that, either?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I just don't see the correlation between something so irrefutably unrelated as graphics updates to what appears to be a strictly update-specific network error
Sorry I'm just stressed out and tired, I hope I'm not coming off as crass.
mild ridge
@gilded berry apologies for including you in the wrong group ping
gilded berry
That's absolutely fine, I was just confused is all.
Do you have any idea if an artifact or bundle of artifacts are broken right now?
My combo which resulted in "unspecified error" disconnections was Command, Sacrifice and Enigma
During online play with Huntress and Commando
gilded berry
network crash, shoulda been specific
My bad, totally on me.
It boots you out of any game in progress, essentially telling you "fuck off I don't know what happened either" lol
mild ridge
those artifacts shouldn't be causing network issues at all
my guess is that it was something else, like a connection loss for other reasons
gilded berry
To be fair, I was only trying to play with one person
I'll test with someone else for about 15 minutes and see if it happens
mild ridge
I actually can't find anything in our code that has the text "unspecified error" so if you get it again please screenshot it
so I can see the exact message
gilded berry
Sure thing
I'll try to replicate it real quick
Do you think it's just... a literal unspecified error? @mild ridge
As in, instead of just going "error" or hard booting you out, it generates that based on something outside of specifically intended responses?
Maybe like a failsafe text prompt that only appears if nothing else exists for it to appear in?
I'm only asking because I've messed with development troubleshooting in games before and have had a similar thing happen where, while it's not programmed to, it defaults to something else as a failsafe that was hardcoded in the engine its self.
mild ridge
that really depends on where you get the error, whether it's in an in-game popup, in the console, an after-crash window, etc
the in-game popup is only pulling values that we've defined in our language files
"Reason unspecified." is one of the messages, looking through them
was that the one?
gilded berry
Yeah, it was an in game popup and I recall it specifically saying "unspecified reason" specifically after being disconnected from a run
Yeah that one
Remembered it backwards
mild ridge
I'd like to see the output_log.txt file of whoever is hosting next time it happens
?files
plush treeBOT
@mild ridge,
Output Logs
While the game is running, it is continually writing to a file called output_log.txt. This file can help us get more information about the issue. If possible, please upload the file here. The file is usually located at:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\output_log.txt
Crash Dumps
If the game crashes it will generate a Dump file. Similarly to output_log.txt, it can help us track down the source of the crash. Please upload your crash dumps here if possible. The file is usually located at either:
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\Local\Temp\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
or
C:\Users\<UserName>\AppData\LocalLow\Hopoo Games, LLC\Risk of Rain 2\Crashes\crash.dmp
gilded berry
I was hosting, but with this new run would the last run be overwritten?
Or is it only overwritten after a run closes
if so I still have time
mild ridge
it's overwritten whenever you reopen the game
gilded berry
oof.
Then itd be gone. I'll be sure to try and replicate it with the same person to see what's up.
Do you think any general reasons that could occur?
mild ridge
as far as I can see the only way to get that message is to be kicked by the server because your steam auth data is no longer valid
gilded berry
mild ridge
which might happen I guess if someone else starts using family sharing with the account? or something like that
gilded berry
That sounds very plausible
You just reminded me of what happened in tf2 to me the other week
my steam auth ID ticket expired or something and it kept disconnecting from the server
bootin me from the game
This is the same behavior, so... maybe make one of your troubleshooting responses for this be to log out of steam, restart it, and then log back in? @mild ridge
That is likely a very accurate assumption of the issue
mild ridge
yeah, if I hear about that error again I'll suggest that
gilded berry
Alrighty. It's such a strange issue. It's with steam, not with the game, so it's very hard to tell what went wrong.
Possibly, later in development, figure out a way to detect if it is a steam id ticket issue and specify it to make it less confusing
But that would be low priority
mild ridge
yeah, that would be a good idea
gilded berry
If it's not the game its self then it's not your problem to spend immediate focus on, but later on, maybe for micro additions for official release, see if it's possible to specify that if/when it happens
It would make it so much easier to deal with lol
lilac quartz
I'm new to the game, and enjoying it. But, I'm having the problem of super lag when joining people. I'm hoping there is something else I can do on my side of things instead of just having bad internet. It was so bad that I was at 37 mins in while my friends were at 47 mins in. I know it has a peer to peer hosting. Was just wondering if there was anything else I can do?
gilded berry
Where do you live?
lilac quartz
US, East coast
gilded berry
Where do they live?
open igloo
Me and my fiends are unable to join each other. we have tried restarting our games but nothing has worked. got any ideas?
lilac quartz
One, Canada, East cost. Other Canada West Coast
gilded berry
Yeaaaaah.... uh....
mild ridge
that should still only be about 160~ milliseconds based on my experience
gilded berry
You could try to use a latency program like wtfast but it's not really smart most of the times if your ISP is being belligerent
It has to be an ISP issue
mild ridge
make sure your firewall is set up to allow traffic for ror2, it could be that you and your friend weren't able to establish a direct connection to each other so steam is resorting to using relay servers
lilac quartz
Well I have ATT, with my best down speed being 4 mpbs...
mild ridge
@open igloo try restarting steam and making sure your firewall allows traffic for ror2
open igloo
we've been able to play before (most days this week) just when we tried today we had issues
gilded berry
cause... 4 megabits is horrific.
open igloo
will do
lilac quartz
I can do other larger games, but those have dedicated servers, MHW, and the like
mbps.
gilded berry
ah.
orchid flame
@mild ridge what is this it was in the trailer for ror2 and this does not resembol any enamy in game
lilac quartz
Yeah, its kinda bad. The funny part is I was able to play Overwatch and Black Desert with little to no problems. I'm assuming it because of the P2P, but I also didn't think about firewall, so i'll give that a try
gilded berry
It might be what Ghor said
It's probably proof of concept spoilery shit that he won't answer you about for obvious reasons
orchid flame
oh that makes sense
gilded berry
What I really wanna know is what is being used to render that, albeit off topic @mild ridge
👀 it's got a very different style from the game, so it's definitely not the same engine or anything
Just payed art work probably
paper kayak
@mild ridge Limiting My FPS Actually Stopped my Graphic Cards Fan to Become a Rotating Nuclear Reactor
Dont know why but yeah...
Thought you might be interested in this information
Before Limiting My FPS: 80-90+ Degrees + 2500+ Fan RPM
After Limiting FPS to 60: Always about 50ish Degeress + Fan Off
orchid flame
neat
paper kayak
Actually not Neat
This Means something is not going Right when putting it Higher.
Wich Means either My Driver or the Game is Going Crazy
(And RoR is the only game where that happens)
lilac quartz
Unfortunately allowing the firewall to allow traffic didn't work. And still very laggy. So, I guess its my internet at this point. Are there any plans to have dedicated severs in the future? Maybe use Shift through Gearbox?
mild ridge
@gilded berry that video was made by goldtooth creative
@paper kayak if you don't limit your FPS the game will render as fast as it can, even if it's faster than your monitor can show it. some people want this for some reason I guess
paper kayak
Oof
mild ridge
I think by default we have this turned on now but if you have an older configuration it's unlimited
@lilac quartz wish I had a concrete answer for this. we do have a dedicated server tool and there are dedicated servers already out there, but it's a bit of a beta feature so it's not in any of the menus and can only be accessed via the steam server browser or the console
lilac quartz
Alright, I understand that. I appericate the help and the information. I'll look into the dedicated sever via steam server browser and all. THanks!
mild ridge
👍
normal ermine
@mild ridge is there a compatibility problem with unity and rtx 2070 super? i keep getting a machine check expectation only on two games ( risk of rain and armello ). It will randomly happen while playing the game and i can't find the issue ( hardware fine and driver up to date). No crash file for the game. I only have the output log
also i keep sending the log to support email but i keep getting the same auto message back
orchid flame
what auto message
normal ermine
"sorry to hear that ..... send outputlog ...... send crash message....." but they never respond to the output log i send
orchid flame
oh that sucks
oak portal
Hey, the game keeps force minimizing and when try to alt-tab back to it, I can't see the game.
I can hear it and play it as if it's fully functional, but I can't see it at all.
mild ridge
@oak portal try pressing alt+enter
oak portal
when?
oak portal
Apparently Alt-Enter switches between Windowed and Full Screen on x86 machines. I'm x64
normal ermine
f11?
mild ridge
@normal ermine as far as I'm aware there isn't any compatibility issue with that particular device. You should probably check to make sure your RAM isn't overclocked, as that's been the cause of issues for a lot of people it seems
@oak portal there shouldn't be any difference, ror2 only runs on x64 machines and responds to alt+enter when I use it
normal ermine
only happens on risk of rain 2 and armello ( both run unity)
i run doom and all other sorts of games on max fine
oak portal
I'll keep you posted @mild ridge
orchid flame
it sucks when i hear this stuff happening to people
normal ermine
how do i know if they are default overclocked
mild ridge
@normal ermine this log file just ends with you shutting down the game manually
orchid flame
i feel bad for them
mild ridge
the log file is reset every time you reopen the game
so if you crashed and reopened it that info from the crash is gone
normal ermine
thats weird cause i don't get a crash report, my pc just freezes with a bsod
the only common factor i found is unity
mild ridge
you could check your motherboard bios when you start up your computer
at least a couple of people who were having crash issues had motherboards using XMP profiles for RAM overclocks
normal ermine
@mild ridge i replayed the game to see if it would eventually crash and it did, still no crash log but i haven't reopened the game so here is the output log
latent sphinx
anyone know why my entire pc crashes at what seems like random when i play?
though i think its only multiplayer
mild ridge
@normal ermine unfortunately I don't see anything out of the ordinary here aside from the log abruptly cutting off
@latent sphinx are you getting a bluescreen?
normal ermine
@mild ridge I’m told it’s a problem with the game or unity as they have check my pc and everything is fine
mild ridge
@normal ermine who is "they"
and a lot of people have computers that passed RAM tests with overclocks and had their issue fixed by disabling their overclocks anyway
I would seriously suggest you look into it
BSODs are almost entirely hardware/bios/driver issues
normal ermine
The Best Buy geek protection group thing 4 agents told me the same thing . I will check the bios and be back soon to see if it’s over clocked . I might ask as to what the setting would need to be
mystic pond
Hey I'm having a problem with my mouse not staying in my game (I have dual monitors), I've never had this problem before in the past 250 hours of play and I'm not sure how to fix it
I've tried switching back and forth from windowed and fullscreen and restarting and reinstalling the game and I'm still having this problem
mild ridge
@mystic pond someone reported a simiilar issue earlier. I'm not sure what the cause is yet but this makes two cases
which OS version are you using? do you have any touch devices installed?
mild ridge
A lot of these things say auto. If you click on any of them do they give you an option for "off" or "normal"?
normal ermine
I don’t see xmp
mild ridge
which motherboard is this?
normal ermine
Gigabyte b365m ds3h wifi pre built
Also is it ok to set this Volts to 1.35 from 1.2
latent sphinx
oh im sorry ghor i forgot i messaged this channel, i dont get a blue screen, my pc completely shuts off and then reboots like i turned it off and on again
also im not sure if my pc is overclocked
i know i downloaded something for my gpu to let me use vr, would that count as overclock?
normal ermine
I don’t think my pc is overclocked . The geek squad people said it’s probably the driver for/from the game
mild ridge
@latent sphinx maybe overheating? I also had a PC that used to do that because the power supply unit was dying. If you go to the Windows Start button and search "event viewer" you might be able to find more information about why it did that
@normal ermine I would not suggest raising the voltage for no reason
mild ridge
it's all timestamped so if you know when it happened it'll be easier to track it down
normal ermine
@mild ridge thats what i thought cause someone is telling me i should oc but i'm like no thats not the problem
mild ridge
Windows Logs -> System
mild ridge
sometimes the event will have a description of what happened, like if power was lost I think
latent sphinx
it says "The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."
mild ridge
you could try looking for any weird information before that or try googling the error/event code
normal ermine
you read event logs?
mild ridge
I'm kinda grasping at straws here but if this was my computer that's what I'd do to try to figure it out
latent sphinx
i dont think i see anything
mild ridge
@normal ermine I guess that might be helpful in your case as well if you try to find the even associated with your crash
steady topaz
I mean, the grafics card itself, if you installed newer gpu with higher power demand
latent sphinx
i havent done that
steady topaz
I see, i spoke up because my friend had same issue with any other game. He bought new gpu that needed way more power. PC gets shutdowns all the time when heavy 3d scenes were rendered i ngames.
latent sphinx
radeon vr ready doesnt count as a gpu upgrade right?
steady topaz
no
normal ermine
critical usually means it will stop the computer so i think we are having the same or similar problem
cause thats when mine crashes
latent sphinx
yeah thats when my pc just shuts off
normal ermine
notice how both of ours is 41 (63)
steady topaz
Ghor is there any plans for changing monsters spawns with Kin on stages with stopped timer, such as acrid place in void and bullwark ambry?
Because right now enemys with high directors points cost spawn after significant time. Other stages are fine because of world prespawn.
Maybe adding initial points for director when kin rols owerloading wroms?
mild ridge
@steady topaz might be worth seeing what we can do with that but I can't say for sure at this point
steady topaz
I see, thanks.
There was bugreports about that and people from russian ror related discord asked about that. I have seen this behaviour in ambry too. Monsters do spawn, but it takes some time before direcor accumulates enough points to spawn them.
mild ridge
@normal ermine when I google volmgr 161 I get a lot of results for people that are presumably having the same issue as you. I don't have the time at the moment to read through all the threads but I think this might be a good search term for finding people having similar problems
@latent sphinx If you expand the view to reveal whatever the full name of the Kernel-... thing is you might be able to search Kernel-whatever 41 and if that doesn't bring up anything useful you may be able to go down the list of events and search similarly to see if something went wrong just before the pc crashed
latent sphinx
where do i search it? or do you just mean google
mild ridge
just google
normal ermine
yup its always volmgr before a crash
latent sphinx
alright, i found a solution and i hope it works
it told me to make it so it never turns off
could that harm my pc though? im sure it turns off for a good reason
steady topaz
I know not much about that, but its better not to turn that off. I wouldnt do that myself for shure.
latent sphinx
well its on a website so i hope it works
young quartz
Isn't the volmgr 161 event related to the dump file not being created for some reason?
normal ermine
idk but if you got any ideas @young quartz i'm all ears so long as its not making me oc my pc cause someone else tried to get me to do that
also my game never creates a crash file when the pc crashes
young quartz
If you're getting a volmgr error before the crash, it means that it couldn't produce the BSOD dmp file.
normal ermine
Haha just running risk of rain at the start menu in the back ground caused a crash
young quartz
So, @normal ermine, what's your error exactly? Your main error, the oen you came here for.
normal ermine
Machine check expectation
But it only happens on this game
And armello
Both run unity . I can run other games like doom or dark souls 3 on max just fine
Main reason I want this fixed is so I can make a world record run 
young quartz
And it's just MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPION?
normal ermine
Yup
Every time the same message . And got the same error on only one other game which runs unity
mild ridge
@normal ermine Are you positive it's "machine check expectation" and not "machine check exception"?
normal ermine
Expectation is what I thought he said my mistake
mild ridge
because the latter is giving a lot more search results on google
normal ermine
Crap I meant exception . What’s the difference ? I might have been searching for the wrong solution
young quartz
Yeah, it's exception.
normal ermine
Just got the error again
young quartz
Machine Check Exceptions are hardware errors.
mild ridge
"Exception" is kinda like a word for an error used in programming. It tends to mean something unexpected or "exceptional" happened
normal ermine
No spike or anything on task manager performance
mild ridge
also, doom/dark souls may not be stressing a single CPU core and memory as much as unity games do. While unity games are easier to work with for small teams the tradeoff is that you aren't gonna get the same type of performance as a AAA game dev team would get out of their own engine.
I'd imagine it's not just unity games that are the issue, but that some part of your system is being strained in such a way that it fails
normal ermine
Wouldn’t it have spiked in task manager right before the crash?
Also I was just in the main menu and it crashed that time
mild ridge
I don't think there necessarily would have been any sort of spike
if you start the game and go to the settings menu there's an option for limiting the FPS. You should try checking to see if that's "unlimited" or if it's a numerical value
if it's "unlimited" you should try setting it to 60
normal ermine
I’ve had it at 60 120 and unlimited . Al have crashed
young quartz
Multiplier?
normal ermine
It keeps going all over the place
45 then 8 then back to 45
Should it be jumping around like that?
mild ridge
4.5GHz is an insane speed, that can't be right
your computer is trying to change the CPU speed to meet demands but it's setting it to a super high value
mild ridge
there's a very high probability that's it
normal ermine
What should I set it to cause it’s set to auto
mild ridge
does it have a setting for "off" or "normal"?
normal ermine
Ah I think I see where the problem is
Anything wrong in this photo ?
Also that card is empty so don’t worry about that
Do I need it turn uncore ration to 30
mild ridge
this is all foreign to me unfortunately
I've been trying to help as much as I can but when it comes to this sort of thing my knowledge is very limited
normal ermine
Pretty sure cpu frequency shouldn’t be 4500 right?
@mild ridge well now that turbo is off it’s just sitting at its default 30x so that might have fixed it
mild ridge
yeah, normal speed looks like it's 3.00GHz based on your previous screenshot
normal ermine
steady topaz
I still doesnt get how autothrottling could cause this problem.
Emma's case seems different. (https://discordapp.com/channels/417739215355510784/559902278018924557/703120910348976151)
Temps are fine, no sudden jumping in core speed or voltage.
For me autothrottling does nothing, but good.
No load https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/703128072324382771/703145355910578176/unknown.png
Ror2 load
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703128072324382771/703145380828676106/unknown.png
normal ermine
your cpu is better off staying around one setting, rather than jumping back and forth
it seems so far to have solved my problem, make sure intel turbo is set to disabled in the bios
steady topaz
yea, i know. Its just a reference. I have no issues with game.
normal ermine
ah i see, well mines now sitting at 30x as normal and i haven't ran into a problem so far
steady topaz
@me if you get a crash again. I just doesnt understand why it causes crashes. Emma's case is slightly different. There is no crashes in early game, and readings from cpu are stable and normal. But whole pc shutts down in middle to late game.
trail birch
unless you're overclocking and previously had instability it shouldnt have any issues
same with xmp as it sets the ram settings to the rated speeds you bought it for
maybe turn off speedstep or turbo boost 2.0/3.0 and test that
normal ermine
@steady topaz this one guy keeps saying my pc shouldn’t turn that off but then he tries to get me to turn off my cpu thermal monitor
steady topaz
@normal ermine i cant really say anything about that as i am not understand it completly.
normal ermine
all i need to know is that is it bad to limit the cpu to 30x when that was the default
steady topaz
It shouldnt be even noticable for you, but i am not shure if your cpu gonna lower its performance under no load.
normal ermine
The problem I think I was facing was that my cpu going from 8x to 47 x while running risk wasn’t able to handle the game
8x cpu isn’t strong for a game like risk
I wish I knew how to fix that
paper sonnet
@mild ridge follow up on the mouse not locking issue:
i think i figured it out. apparently my memory-cleaning program makes it so that my cursor cant lock into the window. its fixed now, thanks for the help 
latent sphinx
im just curious, the current driver for my gpu is giving me issues that like nobody has ever had and i was wondering if it would cause issues to install an older driver, i absolutely cannot run games without a driver and my old driver was causing my pc to crash and i just wanted to know if it would be ok to download a driver from like late 2019, or would that cause the same issue as my old one?
if i cant do that can someone please tell me how to fix the windows key on the current radeon rx 580 driver
static comet
I think it's ok for you to try a different driver and check if that works
latent sphinx
when im in a game and only in a game when i hit the windows key it doesnt bring up the taskbar and freezes until i click
alright, its just that it takes a while for me to get far enough into the game that it starts to happen
actually, my driver was from very late 2019 so
well, maybe an early 2020 one will work
static comet
Try reinstalling microsoft visual c++ packages as well
latent sphinx
oh, how do i do that?
static comet
it's pretty simple, just uninstall them straight from control panel and then google microsoft c++
the first link should give you the latest supported downloads, get both x86 and x64 versions from 2013 and 2015
should be a total of 4 downloads and installs
then re-do your GPU installation and see how it goes for you... hope that helps
latent sphinx
alright ty
static comet
yw
are there any good settings to have enabled/disabled in nvidia control panel when playing this game?
threaded optimization, etc etc
latent sphinx
well i dont have a nvidia so idk
but do i get rid of all 12 c++?
oh ok i literally just couldnt download the driver cause my windows is too updated
static comet
yeah i don't see a problem in doing so (12 c++)
most are old af and not supported anymore... it's still possible to get them but the only ones that are updated are 2013 and 2015, 2017 and 2019
2015 - 2019 is the same file though
i don't get the windows part sorry
latent sphinx
wait shit i cant get another driver except for the new one
static comet
you can
latent sphinx
it said i couldnt download it cause i didnt have the right windows update
latent sphinx
it said i needed a new windows update but since it was an older driver it def just meant that the windows update isnt right and that mine is too high
static comet
all of them should be there
latent sphinx
theyre there but the setup doesnt work
static comet
windows update shouldn't interfere with any driver installations either D:
latent sphinx
ill send a screenshot
static comet
yea
static comet
@latent sphinx for the downloads, the link is right there
should take you to another page with countless download links for various languages... choose english for both x86 and x64
as for windows thing, try restarting your pc
latent sphinx
oh ok, i just got a little confused
oh alright, ill do that in a sec then
well, right now
static comet
that's alright ^~^
latent sphinx
lemme try again
oh wait its downloading, ty
will the c++ updates help me not crash? @static comet
static comet
maybe
latent sphinx
im actually gonna do a full bruh maybe one and a half if i cant use the windows key in it or it crashes
ok so windows key works
static comet
yahoo
young quartz
heavy has returned on a tide of blood
is everything okay here
latent sphinx
oh sorry i didnt see your ping, its going well so far
static comet
glad to hear
peak nest
so i cant hear anything in the game, and i can hear everything else on the pc just fine
nvm
gilded tiger
Hey my Risk of Rain 2 wont start, it shows the EARLY_ACCESS_DISCLAIMER, and I have no options what so ever, I cant control / touch anything
plush treeBOT
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gilded tiger
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plush treeBOT
@gilded tiger,
- If you are using mods, your mods are likely out of date. Uninstall your mods and try starting the game again.
- If you have never used mods, the issue is fixed by installing Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015. Download the installer here and choose x64 if prompted to choose between x64 and x86. If the installation fails with the message "0x80070666 - Another version of this product is already installed." please uninstall Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015 (and 2017 if you have it) and try reinstalling it. Link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=48145
idle siren
I'm having connection issues when trying to play with one of my friends but don't have issues with anyone else. Is there something I can do to remedy this?
mild ridge
@idle siren have you restarted steam or your computer since the issue began? Are you able to get to the character select screen, or does it just fade to black for a moment then unfade back into the multiplayer menu?
idle siren
We can get in game but whoever isn't hosting has terrible latency.
mild ridge
Make sure nobody in the session is using a VPN and that windows firewall is allowing traffic for ror2. If the game is unable to establish a direct connection between the two of you because of something like a firewall steam resorts to using relay servers which can add latency
idle siren
That seems to have worked. Thank you! Been loving the game!!
crisp lotus
does anyone know if you're able to play ror2 on mac?
my friend has been wanting getting the game, but we're not sure if it'll work on mac
silver leaf
got the same issue fink but turning off firewall/vpn didnt fix
robust minnow
Hey @mild ridge sorry for bothering, me and my friend are having the multiplayer lag issues but releasing inbound and outbound connections on the firewall didn't really solve them (no vpn either), any hint on what it might be? Or even any logging/debug mode we can use to send you more info?
mild ridge
@robust minnow you could connect to a game with your friend and open the console with ctrl+alt+` to run the command steam_get_p2p_session_state yourFriendsSteamIDGoesHere Your friend's steam ID should show up somewhere in the console when either you or they connect. You can post the results here but I'd suggest removing anything that mentions an IP address. You can remove the steam ID as well if you'd like.
robust minnow
Okays
Will try that now!
We got this, left is his and right one is mine, I noticed he has the relay active, is it because I'm not accepting inbound connections?
crisp lotus
Hey @mild ridge, would you happen to know if someone can play RoR2 on Mac?
coarse trail
Can I just shout out Ghor for being awesome due to regularly checking here to help people? I've visited a lot of game discords that had the devs in there, and you've definitely been the most active one. Just felt like I needed to say that.
robust minnow
Gotta agree ☝️
mild ridge
@crisp lotus There is not an OSX version of the game
cold summit
can i ask a non tech support related question i dont want to @ the devs but i have a question i would hope to ask
mild ridge
@coarse trail ha, I'm glad to hear it's appreciated! I've gotta say though I'm hoping we can move to something more automated if possible
@cold summit what is your question
coarse trail
Subnautica has the whole "Press F8 to submit a bug report" that's directly linked to ..Trello? Something?
But that wouldn't help when games don't boot. x)
It'd also likely require a fairly large team to wade through the mass amount of bug reports.
mild ridge
@robust minnow it could be. I didn't even consider the possibility that the two message would give different results for UsingRelay so I don't actually know what that means and if it's indicative at all of who is experiencing the problem.
has your friend checked that they have an exception in their firewall to allow traffic for RoR2?
robust minnow
Yup, we both created new rules for out/inbound connections on the ror2 executable
Any protocol and any port as well
cold summit
when building items and balancing them what is more important, the gameplay identity/feel of an item (this should feel like blank) or the balance and numbers (this does x% +x/2% per stack) so that it isn't too far out of line with other items of its rarity?
robust minnow
I think it might be because i'm not reachable through a p2p connection, i'm behind an ISP CGNAT
Can't open a port on the modem or anything, never worked 😕
mild ridge
unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much documentation on relay servers with the steam api methods we're using. all of the docs seem to be for relay servers with the new methods
if I had to guess it's only one of you who has some sort of network issue that's blocking direct traffic
robust minnow
Oh damn, we're inviting a third person to see if he gets different results when printing the state to one of us, would that help?
mild ridge
you might be able to isolate it by having your friend host a game for a third person, and also try to host a game for that third person yourself
yeah actually that's perfect
robust minnow
Trying it right now 🙂
mild ridge
@cold summit both are pretty important but I think the former is much more impactful. the identity/feeling is where an item usually starts, and balance numbers are mostly handled after since we can usually modify those to whatever feels right
frozen hemlock
Herrooo! Might need help with multiplayer
Its not connecting at all ;-; We tried everything
mild ridge
@frozen hemlock when you say not connecting, do you mean that the game fades to black and then fades back into the multiplayer menu, or that you make it to the character select screen but nothing is appearing?
frozen hemlock
nothing is appearing
mild ridge
ok, so you do manage to make it to the character select screen?
cold summit
is there a place where you guys document the intention of an item in house? i would like to see the thought process at some point either during updates or after release as i enjoy this game quite a lot, and it is interesting to see the balance changes that shift items around
frozen hemlock
I do start a private game and in the lobby try to inv peep
robust minnow
@mild ridge third person has UsingRelay=0 to me and UsingRelay=0 to my friend as well, seems like it's a connectivity issue between both of us, might explain why only I lag with him/he lags with me
mild ridge
@cold summit we might type something up or pitch ideas in a shared document or work chat/in the office
@frozen hemlock I need to know what the other people are seeing to help with this, since they're not the host
frozen hemlock
uhh