speculations

[wispy laurel]

All game p2p

[tropic blade]

how does it stop throwing?

[wispy laurel]

Cards

[wispy laurel]

For new players its too hard to get

[vague heath]

Make the thrower get more long ban?

[tropic blade]

that can be done in any gamemode already

I dont give a shit who does what where, I want throwers banned

[vague heath]

Should we ping flo and ask him about this?

[tropic blade]

no

[wispy laurel]

Throwers everywhere

[tropic blade]

just pay guardians

give guardians a reason to do it properly

[tropic blade]

exactly

guardians do NOT get paid and are asked to do guardian stuff as much as they can

boosting

doesnt work

[wispy laurel]

All employees are volunteers. Do you want to leave Philip without lobster for breakfast?

[tropic blade]

fr

[wispy laurel]

1000 and 500 sounds better

For real good players

[tropic blade]

lol

[wispy laurel]

Hmm

Money for all guards...

More then 1k euro monthly

Not for one

Total

[tropic blade]

dude just something symbolic

like

50 a month

[wispy laurel]

How many guards ig

More then 10 i guess

[tropic blade]

get better guardians then

[wispy laurel]

So +- 1000$

Search in Germany

[tropic blade]

so 60$

[wispy laurel]

Maybe Polish lobsters are cheap

Like zubrovka > schnaps

Yeah

180 gems

From 10000 players

1800000 gems

Like...

[charred drift]

devs eatin good today 😳

[wispy laurel]

200k euro

If 1000 players buy - 20k euro

Solid

[feral saffron]

okay but gems you can get for free. You get 240 gems from bp. it's not that crazy

But I do agree, those lobbies won't fill up unless sb is strictly for role testing and nothing else

anyone remember when sb had the same set-up and never changed? do that with sb. it was so boring

[cursive brook]

Wasnt advanced supposed to be that? harder for trolls to be there. If those don't fill up why would a new one do that?

[visual bone]

It wont lmao

free advanced mode isnt taken seriously and has no players because the gamemode imploded

Gem paid advanced game wont be any better

[slate hull]

please no

[vague heath]

Oh hi

[slate hull]

Only en advanced games btw. E.g., vi and th advanced games both have more players than en quick games. En advanced never took off because people just play in sandbox instead

Fr and de advanced do have player, but a lot of people from those also go to sandbox

[vague heath]

How do you make serious mode become a mode for serious players? I mean how you make troller and thrower cant troll and throw. What will happen for troller and thrower in that mode of you break rule? Will the banning be more longer?

[slate hull]

The main idea really just is to add a higher barrier for trollers -> if you had to pay to get into a game-mode, you'll be more reluctant to get your account banned

[vague heath]

Humm

How many minimum wins or level do player need get to participate that mode?

[slate hull]

This is super dumber hypothetical, the vote is mostly to figure out if people are interested in something like this, but I would say 0.
If you want to make an account, spend 10Eur to unlock the game mode and then have your account pem banned after one game... be my guest. I don't think that's going to happen a lot, and people who do that will just go the extra step of paying a botter for a couple hundred wins anyway. Like I said, it's just a higher barrier

[charred drift]

with getting roses from rose parties and buying bp with gold,all it takes is 2 weeks to get 180 gems no? same for ranked

[tranquil comet]

i think less than 2 weeks lol

2 weeks is already a lot btw, for someone that is dedicated to make accounts to ruin the game

[charred drift]

it took me one week to get 270 but pretty sure no one would farm that hard

(if they arent farming vill wins)

[tranquil comet]

it takes me one hour to farm 1 level in customs

and I have auto double XP

[vague heath]

45 gems each week

If dont buy bp

[tranquil comet]

from dailies alone its 1 month yeah

[charred drift]

if u buy bp tho

[vague heath]

Yeah

[charred drift]

it boosts by a lot

[vague heath]

1 month to unlock it

For newbie

[tranquil comet]

if you go the battle pass route

without any dailies

you have to reach tier 70

to unlock 200 gems

[vague heath]

200 gems each bp

So yah

[tranquil comet]

thats

740 (per tier)

[vague heath]

If you buy bp. You can unlock it in just 1 day

[tranquil comet]

740 * 7 = 51800

51800 / 2000 = 26 levels

[vague heath]

Or easiest way. Pay 78000Vnđ to get 360 gems and done, we can unlock it

[tranquil comet]

yep you can also just pay for it

pay to troll 💀

but the thing is 180 gems is a good choice

[worn marten]

And get ban 💪🏻

[quaint hamlet]

JFJGKDKSLDLRGEOSDPF

[feral saffron]

I never get ban

new game mode: only non-banned accounts

[charred drift]

it boosts by a lot

[charred drift]

this took so much to send what

[tropic blade]

we do not care

[dusky perch]

im happy playing sb for free

[quaint hamlet]

me too JOGOEKSKF

plus some thrower games can be funny, and if not, once you die you can just reap xp for free

[steady quiver]

i love when a thrower witch tried to poison aura but that aura was

[quaint hamlet]

LFMAOOOOOOOOOO

[low dagger]

I created a thread in feedback saying random shooting should be allowed

and Philipp reacted to it

Random shooting allowed soon ?

[quaint hamlet]

LDMAIOOOOOOOOOOOOSDKKDKRKBSIF

[dusky perch]

now gunner can shot seer if sorcerer in game cuz seer can be sorcerer. its allowed

[quaint hamlet]

i love whenever fake seer claims say someone is good/evil but they turb out to be vig+ and just shoot them as soon as voting begins

[dusky perch]

fortune teller is coming back 😍

but with a rework !

[quaint hamlet]

JROWKDKF

WHAT

REALLY?!?!?!!

HUAUAAAHAAAAAAHAOYL4JWISO YEEEEEEEEESSSSODGKGNRJSIS

[opaque mulch]

some scary stuff

that laugh got me intimidated

[quaint hamlet]

LFMSIOOOOOSODNFNDSJDIOGD

[dusky perch]

nice bully buff

im sure i had this golden talisman what happened

[agile basin]

Maybe this? #game-change-log message
There was a little bug with the numbers there

[steady quiver]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[dusky perch]

could be
anyway 1k wont matter

[agile basin]

Lol

There's nothing that gold cannot repair

[steady quiver]

so

whats ft rework

and bully buff

let me guss

ft rework might be

if ww or rk use their card

it will show another role instead of their og role

like disguise

that would be funni

😍

[steady quiver]

ok um nvm it was in #game-change-log

[agile basin]

btw, change log updated, we'll miss you, four reveals bully announcement

[latent locust]

too bad i sacrificed my bully card for golden judge

[steady quiver]

but i guess that buff wasnt a big deal.. ?

or maybe ft can use their card to reveal which random role in game??

hushushuhs

[charred drift]

that buff is so broken

[visual bone]

it was mistyped

meant to say players instead of roles

[calm nimbus]

Can we get a little sneak peak 👀

[low dagger]

Best upcoming update

[dusky perch]

u guess

[calm nimbus]

Philip agrees with me lol

[low dagger]

Yes

[steady quiver]

um idk maybe ft with new icon and no longer give someone card anymore but the name still ft

[visual bone]

oh god ft coming back

oh no

[dusky perch]

not bad

[cloud cave]

Do you know the rework? 👀

[calm nimbus]

She probably does

[dire solstice]

Ft now has 15 cards auto given to all players and everyone has to reveal them n1 otherwise they die

[dusky perch]

💀 what is bad that ft replace aura

[lusty gull]

👀👀

[dusky perch]

for devs
remember to fix this !

[slate hull]

Already fixed, just didn't update server because there was no reason to.... speaking of which, thanks for the reminder to turn off the server

[dire solstice]

[dusky perch]

also remove villager its dont make sense

villager cant be rrv so its like u telling village kill me im bad role

[slate hull]

Where did you even see the option for villager?

[pearl wasp]

what’s wrong with being villager

most op role

[dire solstice]

Agreed

[dusky perch]

when reveal card as none villager you can select villager as random role

[deep tangle]

Villager is the best role in the game

[slate hull]

Does the ui show you a villager to select?

[dusky perch]

yes

[slate hull]

What was your role rotation?

[pearl wasp]

that way you can prove you are 100% legit

[slate hull]

We are talking about , right? Not villager team

[calm nimbus]

Hey this isn't related but can you add villager to ranked rrv list a lot of players including myself want it to be added

[dusky perch]

same as sandbox

[dusky perch]

yes i have picture too

[slate hull]

Which doesn't have ft in it
Did you just set yourself to have a card?

[dusky perch]

ft was instead of aura in same setup

[slate hull]

So you were in custom games?

[dusky perch]

no i found setup with ft in sandbox(dev server) and tried it there

[slate hull]

Ohhh, right, I set up one game with ft there

[dusky perch]

😭 why made change setup only for admins

[slate hull]

Because everyone being able to change setups was annoying during testing sessions ^^ Same with ending phases

[dusky perch]

🥺 we also testing

[opaque mulch]

[slate hull]

Yes, but you're testing out of date version of the game and then posting bugs that have been fixed here 🙈

[dusky perch]

make sense yes
did you know night1 telling ft to select players to give cards even when ft cant send cards in first night ?

[slate hull]

I don't understand 🙈
You mean ft was able to send cards night 1? I did add a server check for that, but unsure if the server was already updated with that 🤔

[next cedar]

So ft actually got a legitimate nerf and not a whole rework

Impressive

[dusky perch]

before ft was able to give cards night1 but now its not possible
but still at night1 the game telling ft select players to give them cards
wait i can find the line

[next cedar]

Actually does ft still only give 2 cards max?

[dusky perch]

yes

[next cedar]

Tbh might be underpowered compared to aura adv

[dusky perch]

cant find the line but what i mean as this
night 1
select 2 players to give them cards ... like that

[dusky perch]

yeh its shouldnt be

[charred drift]

16 (Kitten wolf) used the fortune teller's card to reveal their role.

[charred drift]

1 fixed ft,2 rrv ft,rsv vigi + normal vigi = 8 REVEALS?!?!?!

[next cedar]

8 reveals few confirmed

[charred drift]

what

[next cedar]

Evils can reveal a different role than their own

[dusky perch]

reveal urself as gunner

[next cedar]

In a fixed vig game

[dusky perch]

cant be

[next cedar]

Thats good

[dusky perch]

only roles from role list or rrv

[fading fern]

Ft comming back??👀👀

[next cedar]

What if rsv in game

[dusky perch]

oh true that possible

[charred drift]

then whats the point

everyone will open bh

[next cedar]

Faking bh weak

[steady quiver]

so my guess.. was right ?

but u can select a role to reveal 😱

[dusky perch]

yep

[marble remnant]

interesting,i dont remember seeing any fb ideas for this
so they once again came up with something nobody asked for?
what is the usability of this

it proves nothing

[slate hull]

Yeah I fixed that, just didn't update it. Thanks

[marble remnant]

its a cool idea, but i dont know how it could be useful atm
any ideas?

[calm nimbus]

I dont see any situation where new ft is helpful lol

From what I understand you give two cards to two players and they can choose to reveal ad whichever role they want??

[dusky perch]

its rework to bring back roles more than adding new roles so its fine

hope to see president soon

[next cedar]

I would hope its mine but ofc devs would hate it

[torpid sparrow]

Sauce?

[dusky perch]

its got removed from custom games

[next cedar]

Tried to be removed* if you have a rolelist that already had ft its still there

[dusky perch]

cant play

[next cedar]

Oh

[dusky perch]

i tried that too

[steep hinge]

Ft getting reworked?

[next cedar]

Yep

Its kinda just the same role with a unique nerf though

[steep hinge]

What nerf

@next cedar

[next cedar]

Evils can reveal themself as a vill role

[steep hinge]

Ohhhh

That's nice

[next cedar]

Tbh its not as strong as other aura adv which is its problem

[humble current]

What's the point of the cards then

[dawn parcel]

probably to remove the "reveal or die" thing

[humble current]

But the card is now redundant

It means nothing

Only a force claim which any villager can ask

[steep hinge]

I wanna ping Phillip so bad

[robust flint]

do it

@spice hedge

youre welcome

[steep hinge]

WHAT

Pls make it so the serious game mode requires at least 3 days of registration bc some new player can just buy 180 gems and troll

[jolly pilot]

I love this

[tranquil comet]

not really troll, a new player does not troll they just genuinely don’t know how to play so them paying just gives them a chance to learn faster with some more experienced players

an actual troll won’t pay in the first place unless they were serious in grinding to troll

[dusky perch]

again

maybe this what broke my talisman

[quaint hamlet]

KRKRODDOPPFJBESD

[tropic blade]

it seems evil det is both sk and corr adv atm

[next cedar]

Tbh my concern is the mode become english adv mode 2.0 aka ded mode simulator

[jolly pilot]

This might sound silly, and probably isn't what they would do in the slightest, but maybe they're using it as a base to make an advanced corr?

What're the chances that's what's happening

[calm nimbus]

imo it's just some left over code from when e det was advanced of corr and somehow it got triggered by an update

[stable agate]

It’s just visual bug😕🤔tried updating corr and got second illusionist

[next cedar]

Yeah its an odd bug

Gold sk card but it still says corr adv

Also corr thinks ED is one of its adv again

[jolly pilot]

Wonder what tweak made that happen

[whole bolt]

I hope if someone broke the rules too much in the new serious mode, they have to pay gems again to play

[dusky perch]

Rich

[dusky perch]

Actually that happened when siren came for testing too

[jolly pilot]

I'm telling you, it's connected

Maybe Siren coming back for testing?

MAYBE it'll bypass Tough Guy like it should

[grizzled hearth]

Siren is awesome imo, some fixing and it can be in the game

[jolly pilot]

All it really needs is to bypass TG tbh

The rest of the Arso family can bypass TG, so Siren should too

[grizzled hearth]

Hm, doesn't the Bomber's attack can be blocked?

[jolly pilot]

No

Arso bypasses, BB bypasses, Alch red potion bypasses, so Siren should too

[grizzled hearth]

Alchemist is semi-bypassing with a weaker attack only

[jolly pilot]

It still bypasses, so Siren should too

That was Siren's biggest problem in Sandbox, it was completely shot down by TG

[tropic blade]

like any solo killer :3

[jolly pilot]

over half of killers counter TG tho

Corr, Illu, ZB, Sect, Bandit (Conversion), Arso, BB, Alch

[tropic blade]

med ig, illu is weak, those that turn into other teams are already countered by ww, arso doesnt really counter it and just bypasses it, bomber is weak, and with alch you need to know who tg is to use the potion and thats easier said than done

[grizzled hearth]

3/4 branches can counter TG

[jolly pilot]

Each one still counters TG though, that can't be argued

[tropic blade]

what is countering?

[jolly pilot]

Directly making it so the role is (near) worthless

[tropic blade]

then nah, it still has value from other things

[jolly pilot]

But it doesn't?

[tropic blade]

wolves dont exist

[jolly pilot]

Because wolves triggering TG has anything to do with Killers countering TG

[tropic blade]

then the role is near worthless against solos

not in a normal game

only illusionist would truly counter it

[jolly pilot]

Much more often than not Med won't be able to do squat if TG is glitched

Being TG will likely be glitched slightly later into the game, where it's more likely Med is dead

[tropic blade]

eh depends on how good you are with tg

[jolly pilot]

Arso bypassing TG is LITERALLY countering it too

[tropic blade]

it would if it didnt take two days to kill

[jolly pilot]

And it doesn't matter if BB is weak, it still counters it

[tropic blade]

same goes for that

[jolly pilot]

It could take 10 days to kill, it still directly goes against how TG works

[tropic blade]

waste of douse if wolves attack it

better saved for last

not a counter, just a bypass

pacifist directly makes shadow ww useless, tg can still see some play

[jolly pilot]

Idk if you've noticed, but I'm talking about interactions with the Killer specifically

In the sense of a normal game, that still applies

[tropic blade]

idk if youve noticed, but im comparing a true counter with a bypasser

[jolly pilot]

THAT'S THE POINT, IT COUNTERS BY BYPASSING

[tropic blade]

it doesnt

it still sees some play

[jolly pilot]

THE ENTIRE POINT OF TOUGH GUY IS THAT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BYPASS

[tropic blade]

still ww wouldnt bypass tg

[jolly pilot]

Where does that matter? I was saying those killers specifically counter TG

[tropic blade]

bypass*

[jolly pilot]

TO BYPASS TOUGH GUY IS TO COUNTER IT

[tropic blade]

it isnt

because wolves ingame

[grizzled hearth]

Wolves can just bypass it with the weakest werewolf, which mostly is Junior

[jolly pilot]

I said nothing about wolves countering TG, I was talking about Killers

[grizzled hearth]

Junior's branch is a real good scapegoat

[tropic blade]

ww dont counter tg, im saying that tg would still have some sort of play even if that solo killer was ingame because wolves exist

[jolly pilot]

I'm aware Wolves don't counter TG. My point was, TG is gonna have a much harder game with any of those killers in-game, which total over half of the possible killers

[tropic blade]

but thats not a counter, thats just a bypass

[jolly pilot]

But to bypass TG is to counter it

That's the entire point of the role

[tropic blade]

no because wolves are ingame

[jolly pilot]

There can be a counter in-game and the role still has value. They aren't mutually exclusive

[tropic blade]

not really

[jolly pilot]

Considering WW and Killer are different teams, even more so

[tropic blade]

if you counter something you inutilize them

paci and shadow ww's ability

[jolly pilot]

Agree to disagree, we aren't getting anywhere

[tropic blade]

owo

[slate hull]

Wait, what? What's going on here?

You have a ed sk card?

[tropic blade]

@slate hull

[slate hull]

👀

[tropic blade]

if you check sk advanced you can see it is canni and edet

if you check corr's you can see it is illu and edet

rz

thus its normal it appears twice

[slate hull]

True, fixing thanks

[tropic blade]

the game

[slate hull]

All fixed now, thanks

[daring parcel]

I still have it

and I'm pretty sure that I have the newest version

bc I normaly get blocked from playing when a new update is out

[opaque mulch]

Have you tried clearing cache? I don't think this requires an app update

[daring parcel]

yes I did

[slate hull]

No need to clear cache, it's send by the server. Just restart the app and you should be all good

[daring parcel]

ok

it's fixed now on my account

[willow zealot]

To be fair makes more sense on

By that I mean, is the worse base role for it because it's literally a buffed version, like

[dusky perch]

Buff sk when!

[dusk hemlock]

the mode is... stupid

technically pay to win

[charred drift]

it gets the risk of 0 kills

canni is also risky of dying

[willow zealot]

and can both be played like by killing one at a time, or they can be played their own way, it's literally a buff

[dusk hemlock]

ed and canni can play sk style, while also can play differently in a stronger but more risky way

[willow zealot]

Yeah that's what I said

[dusk hemlock]

technically it can be canni->ed and make sk a role without advanced role, like forkman or reg ww

[torpid sparrow]

Ikr, add bloodlust plz

[torpid sparrow]

ED is stronger than both cuz it can get info on the teams

And can fake an informer

[dusk hemlock]

which also means it cannot kill

[pearl wasp]

It’s giving Town of Salem😍😍😍

[twilit pond]

@dusky perch hii, could u send me the icon png of the fart ww please

[charred drift]

apoc when 🔥

not gonna lie

i think apocalypse would fit better in wolvesville since it doesnt have visiting mechanics and no trials

[steep hinge]

What's apocalypsye

[charred drift]

neutral apocalypse in tos2

[steep hinge]

Ohhhhh

[charred drift]

death famine pestilence war

[steep hinge]

So basically zombie?

[charred drift]

no

[pearl wasp]

It would be a flop

in ToS it’s a crop instead

[charred drift]

not at all

[pearl wasp]

now war got buffed too😍 was not strong enough

[charred drift]

famine would be fun

still cant test pest because of trickster

i have anti scrolls t doesnt work

[vague heath]

Now

We can get items just by chatting

Great

[mystic isle]

wait, fart werewolf???

[charred drift]

its real

but the name changed

[wispy laurel]

Lmao😂😂😂

[steady quiver]

OMG

it is approved?

Bc that so cool XDD

[wispy laurel]

Need this smelly guy🐺

[steady quiver]

I only just learned that the confusion wolf is really in play

[charred drift]

why are y'all laughing

this is literally toxic wolf's old version

[steady quiver]

farted

[mystic isle]

omg this is Epic!!!!

[alpine bay]

Thas was epic

[versed hemlock]

fart wolfi love it

[dusk hemlock]

they are literally for free

you only need to chat

[steady quiver]

I don't quite understand how to get

where do you write

how can i open a ticket

please someone tell me

okey

[lime plinth]

!rank

[tawny cosmos]

Not really, just write command: ?claim nick supportpin level

You dont have to open ticket

Yeah

[signal crystal]

how the new levels works?

[tawny cosmos]

Just chat

Write messages

When you write message you gain xp

More xp = level up

[coarse sedge]

For the first time being active in server actually reward you something in game
I like this tho

[vague heath]

Hey yall. How should we call "10 items"?
Discord level items? Level items? Or just items?

[grizzled hearth]

DC level items

Naah, DC like

DisCord

[carmine gyro]

Nope i dont think so.....

[grizzled hearth]

I only have four of them

[carmine gyro]

How? I dont have any of them yet🥲

[pearl wasp]

I don’t think so, they are usually very available in answering questions

[signal crystal]

i call discord DS

[toxic blade]

I have all items, I'll send you a dm with them all equipped if you like?

[lusty gull]

Can you send me it too?

[toxic blade]

Sure thing

[quasi locust]

same

[gritty pagoda]

Like that 🤡

[carmine gyro]

☹️

[carmine gyro]

I know but it takes so lonh

[steady quiver]

Hi guys

I guess people will now be more active on Discord bc of the rewards 😅

Some might discover Discord for the first time

[edgy snow]

fr

[tropic blade]

fr

[main socket]

I wonder how many messages you need to send to progress a level. Personally I think this discord already had so much happening at once that I can't follow

[agile basin]

Each level requires a little more

You can check your progress in #bot-commands , with your xp left for the next level

Each message per minute gives between 15-25 xp

[willow zealot]

Me when preview mode

[steady quiver]

I feel you 😅

[woeful ice]

Do messages count in this channel (speculations) as well?

[toxic blade]

Yes, currently all public channels give xp

[woeful ice]

Wow. That's nice

This channel is my fav

[safe geyser]

I'm kinda new here what's this channel for

[orchid ridge]

Discussing easter eggs (hidden features) or upcoming content for new updates

[safe geyser]

Ahh okay.
Thank you

[dusky perch]

its not mine

i was happy to see pings for testing ft in sandbox 😦

[dusky perch]

i wonder if twitter badge will be X now

X badge when?

[quaint hamlet]

heres your fart bbg
#wov-chat message

[neat spruce]

what happen

[soft pendant]

:]

Someone wants to play together in sandbox?

[tropic blade]

#wov-chat perhaps?

[twilit pond]

Thankss

[pallid rune]

how to suicide

[heady mantle]

How did that happened-

[loud widget]

Flag

[pallid rune]

[heady mantle]

Oh, makes sense

I guess flagger is OP after all lol, exclude with arso and bomber 🧍‍♀️

[pallid rune]

village win. got me at day3

[signal crystal]

WHAT AHAHHAHAHA

[toxic blade]

This seems more suitable for #wov-chat

[edgy snow]

Can the developers of the game finally improve the system of banning such players?

[tranquil comet]

public shaming

[agile basin]

btw, IP bans do not exist

(in Wolvesville, I mean)

[edgy snow]

@tranquil comet now?

[tranquil comet]

ok that better

[frosty gorge]

Imagine you're using public Wi-Fi, but you can't access the game because the IP is banned

Or you used someone's PC and that person can no longer access the game, because the IP has been banned...
Glad the game doesn't do that

[steady quiver]

Than you can use a free vpn to play on the wifi. It works also for me

[dusky perch]

there is ip ban if u try login many times with wrong password

[agile basin]

Ah, cool . Not for getting banned in game which would be this case, but it's good to know

[plush hollow]

Chat ban doesn’t exist…

It’s a bug better to avoid to say that tho

[deep tangle]

Yup, please don't spread misinformation👀

[dusk hemlock]

a bug which affect very certain people and isnt fixed for ages 🙄

cough cough*

[charred drift]

arent speculations open to... speculations?

[deep tangle]

a bug is a bug

[deep tangle]

That doesn't mean you can openly spread misinformation

[charred drift]

its a speculation though,not a certain information to be considered a fake one

[deep tangle]

Sure, not everything in this chat is true and we don't moderate it a lot, but spreading blatantly false information isn't allowed

[charred drift]

i still don't get how this is misinformation and other things here aren't they didn't say they're sure

[frosty gorge]

Donkey Wolf is real? And why that name

[charred drift]

yes,and donkey is because it farts

there are 3 leaked ww

[dusk hemlock]

you dont rlly have to speak on behalf of me

[charred drift]

i'm asking them because i don't get it,i'm not speaking on your behalf

[deep tangle]

Not saying that, but again we don't allow all misinformation

If you tell someone you get free gems if you get banned (or something alike), we wouldn't allow that either😅

[dusk hemlock]

quite odd that it isnt occuring randomly like an actual bug 🤔

[odd willow]

genuine question, did you ever code something?

[deep tangle]

I don't know, I'm not a dev

[charred drift]

there was fart wolf but it got renamed to toxic since it was kinda inappropriate

now we are only waiting for deflector

[dusk hemlock]

it doesnt matter.

[dusk hemlock]

that lọoks pretty fan-art

[odd willow]

It does
Bugs aren't random, they often feel random but they never are
That's why they're bugs... and the whole "can / can't reproduce" matters
Anyone that has coded anything should know that

[frosty gorge]

Thanks

[charred drift]

so did fart wolf

but it got ingame

[dusk hemlock]

under a different name and icon though

[charred drift]

..with the same ability

[dusk hemlock]

still, this role's rcc is shit

how can gww even compare to this one

[charred drift]

limited ability but protecting one wolf and attacking the other

[soft pendant]

Wow

[steady quiver]

xd

[frosty gorge]

This keyboard bug in the app is horrible, it's annoying to type with letters being erased.
hope it gets fixed soon

[signal crystal]

is that true?

its a bug trust me

[edgy snow]

flagger + watchman

[charred drift]

ita a speculation

[dusky perch]

i wonder if this will be visible in game

[frosty gorge]

The twitter icon has been changed so it has to be

But seriously an X....

[dusky perch]

yeh but lines are bad looking with smol avatar

[dusky perch]

@worn marten what you think about new twitter icon? will be ok in game?

[charred drift]

did you see the bird x icon

replace it with that

[charred drift]

replace it with this

[worn marten]

nah, the bird not even close to the original, so X def not okay

[dusky perch]

i saw this

[charred drift]

couldn't center it well but you get the point

[plush hollow]

Not true… it’s a bug… some bugs can be hard to fix since they have to find the origin of the bug and how to fix it

[calm nimbus]

Lol yeah they been searching the origin for 4 years lmao

[plush hollow]

Indeed can happen 👀

May be cause it’s a bug and not a thing with some conspiracies like you try to point out

[lusty fractal]

If you know you shouldn't do something, then don't do it.
If you think a bug is mislabeled as such, feel free to dm a mod or dev, but we don't like misinformation in general, which is why #rules-deprected 13 is there in the first place. Only staff handles bugs. Same goes for every bug (and you'd be surprised how much misinformation people spread regarding bugs in general, not just that one).

People spread this theory to weaponize bugs as distrust against staff. Those from whom it originated got banned by Discord for cyberbullying fyi.

Anything we do is considered to confirm, if we delete it we're "silencing", if we don't, people see it and think they're suddenly enlightened.

Reject the authority, everything the authority does confirms your theory: those are the components of a conspiracy theory.

So you'll excuse us if we tend to get a bit annoyed that people still buy into it.

[frosty gorge]

I wonder when storm ww will get a rework.
The role can have a lot of abilities, but none of them are useful. Note perk is not affected when you delete the chat, people can easily memorize players' names and their skins before shuffling, and hiding votes doesn't help much either.
There are already several buff or rework ideas for storm and none of them are applied. I know it takes time, but storm is a role that needs an urgent rework, it's even easy to bypass storm by taking a screenshot (and no one will know unless you tell)

The role is fun but has many problems, I don't know what to suggest anymore, because there have already been so many amazing ideas....

[dusky perch]

damn so fast

[frosty gorge]

Fortune teller?

[dusky perch]

golden Fortune teller

[frosty gorge]

So does this mean that Fortune teller will have an advanced role?

[signal crystal]

OHHHHH

OOOOOO

cool

[dusky perch]

what role fit ft?

lm, bell-ringer

[frosty gorge]

Oh, so Fortune teller is going to be an advanced role, it makes sense.

[unique elm]

Please no-

[signal crystal]

bleaaa

[frosty gorge]

But if Fortune Teller comes back, won't people be forcing them to use a card?

[dusky perch]

or base

[signal crystal]

base better for me

but do u know if it has been reworked?

[dusky perch]

yes but u cant be sure that player is reveling real role cuz none villager can pick any role to reveal themself

wait

wasnt ft unk?

cuz now its good

[frosty gorge]

So can you reveal with a fake role?

[dusky perch]

from that game setup yes

including random roles

[frosty gorge]

Nice, although I still think it will be a problem.
If you reveal yourself as a priest, the players will ask you to prove it, but you won't be able... And revealing as BH will be extremely suspicious.

[calm nimbus]

When will it be available in the regular server?

[dusky perch]

its up to you pick what u think is good for the case

not like alpha calling unk and reveal priest 💀

[calm nimbus]

Why would you reveal as priest tho

[frosty gorge]

It was just an example

[dusky perch]

i also waiting for it

[frosty gorge]

[calm nimbus]

Wow lol

I dont think I even have 43 talisman in total

[valid slate]

Wow 43 talismans... why?

[dusky perch]

its all i got from boxes

[valid slate]

I dont have that much talismans even on my favorite insti

[valid slate]

Understandable

I have like 9 arso talismans

[dusky perch]

💀 what if u see all talismans i have

[tawny cosmos]

When forky come back & nerf?

👀

[dusky perch]

never

[tawny cosmos]

:(((

[dusky perch]

this make sense tbh and i hope its this cuz poor fc didnt get adv

[cursive brook]

I only have 14 ft talismans. Will they be converted to the base role of whatever it's advanced of?

[tawny cosmos]

Yeah

[charred drift]

is that a joke

[dusky perch]

what else can be base/adv role

[charred drift]

idk,not fc

maybe lm

since it also reveals roles

it balances out correct info-high info potential with fake

[grizzled hearth]

Pacifist cryin' rn

[dusky perch]

also can be, cuz both lm and avg cant tag night1 and ft cant give cards night1

[dusky perch]

lonely paci

[charred drift]

where can i contact devs for this change

i would ping flo but im scared so

[dusky perch]

they are always watching

[charred drift]

hope flo is reading this

MAKE FT LM ADV PLS

[dusky perch]

hi flo

[charred drift]

flo is a wandering soul eternally watching from beyond

[grizzled hearth]

It doesn't even fit for Loudmouth tho

[charred drift]

it does

[grizzled hearth]

How so?

Loudmouth's ability is death-activating

[low dagger]

Make Wolffluencer adv role of shadow wolf

[charred drift]

• cant choose n1 (apparently)
• both reveal roles
  x lm gives confirmed less info and fc gives high info with potential fake

it doesnt fit fc AT ALL

[plush hollow]

Villager has been considered as boring by dev you can play it in custom games but no in other modes unfortunately

[low dagger]

Make fortune teller flower child advanced.

[charred drift]

wheres the similarity

[torpid sparrow]

HOLY FLUMMERY
HOLY FLUMMERY
HOLY FLUMMERY

[grizzled hearth]

• LM can pick d1
• Selected players reveal their own roles
• LM only has ability which works after death

[torpid sparrow]

Yeah it was unk

[grizzled hearth]

Also FT can pick n1

[low dagger]

Because I already have avenger as adv role of lm. Ft becoming lm advanced will make me have to choose between ft or avenger

[charred drift]

(you will get a card switch)

[torpid sparrow]

MY GOLDEN PACI NOOOO

[grizzled hearth]

I doubt it fits either for LM or FC

[low dagger]

Fortune teller should be the advanced role of?

[grizzled hearth]

Good question, Flowerchild can't be since they're lynch protection based.
Loudmouth can't be since they're death activating based.

[torpid sparrow]

Make bell ringer base

[dire solstice]

[torpid sparrow]

And ft adv

[low dagger]

Yo good idea

[grizzled hearth]

Bell Ringer is also death based.
How would FT and BR share similarities?

[low dagger]

ok everyone, new idea, bell ringer base, ft adv

[dire solstice]

Better idea; make it seer base role

[low dagger]

What’s the similarity between ft and fc

exactly

Theres none

[grizzled hearth]

Nothing

[torpid sparrow]

Well

They both start with 🇫

[low dagger]

🥶

[grizzled hearth]

FT doesn't fit for any roles tbh

[low dagger]

But that idea is the best tbh

but it’s not as good as donkey wolf

[grizzled hearth]

How does BR and FT share similarities?

[torpid sparrow]

They both abt revealing roles

[grizzled hearth]

So is LM and Vigi

[torpid sparrow]

Well

Make paci base

[torpid sparrow]

Ft adv of paci

And delete fc

[grizzled hearth]

FC is awesome, won't be deleted

[low dagger]

Delete fc

[grizzled hearth]

🫵

[low dagger]

No one likes fc anyways

[bright robin]

[grizzled hearth]

I DO

[torpid sparrow]

Fc users when its berserk game and not shadow (their purpose of living has been taken away)

[grizzled hearth]

FC is useful

You don't know how good an FC can change the tides

[torpid sparrow]

Well

I saved an arso as fc befoee

To screw wolves

And arso won

Ye

4v2+1

[grizzled hearth]

I do save solos too to not let wws overwin the village

[low dagger]

#speculations message
This thing is confirmed btw

[grizzled hearth]

It's just a fire reaction, it can also be sarcastic

[torpid sparrow]

Nuh uh

Im random shooting med and doctor next game

[grizzled hearth]

I doubt they would let random shooting allowed

[low dagger]

It’s the best upcoming feature

im gonna random shoot whoever I want

[grizzled hearth]

I highly doubt it would be a feature

[low dagger]

That would be the best feature

And donkey wolf ofc

[torpid sparrow]

Nana

[calm nimbus]

I do

[torpid sparrow]

Fart wolf >donke wold

[low dagger]

Donkey wolf > or = fart wolf

[calm nimbus]

Ft should be lm advanced they're both about revealing roles and have similar strenght

[torpid sparrow]

Yes

[low dagger]

fart wolf rip off of toxic wolf
Donkey wolf just the goat

[grizzled hearth]

Mate, LM tree is about death activation

[calm nimbus]

Fc tree is about lynch protection

[grizzled hearth]

Yep

So neither fits

[torpid sparrow]

do not touch my fc tree

[calm nimbus]

Ft has more similarities with lm

[torpid sparrow]

I have golden paci

Pls

😭 😭

[grizzled hearth]

Golden Paci is awesome

[calm nimbus]

Make ft forky advanced lol

[torpid sparrow]

How about make it seer adv

But buff it so it has inf card

[calm nimbus]

That would still not be good enough for seer

[charred drift]

lm fits best

[torpid sparrow]

Well you see

[charred drift]

tell me HOW ft fits fc

[torpid sparrow]

Ft would be a 3rd tier info giver

[charred drift]

it can be faked

[grizzled hearth]

It fits neither

[charred drift]

then what do you suggest?

[torpid sparrow]

just make ait a bse role

and slap an advenced one-two months later

[grizzled hearth]

Being base role is what fits best so far

[charred drift]

new base role is obviously not gonna work unless a new adv comes eith it

[steady quiver]

but.. why fc??

i thought.. it was lm 😭

cuz lm br = info
fc paci = no lynch babe

[charred drift]

yeah its gotta be lm

[torpid sparrow]

Yeah

[grizzled hearth]

LM BR Ave = Death activate

[torpid sparrow]

Even tho LM is death related

It just fits better

Or we can rework the ft

So when it dies

[steady quiver]

but i dont think its fit with fc at all 😭😭

[torpid sparrow]

The non-villager roles will be exposed to have a fake id

[steady quiver]

yhe most fitting role is obivous lm

[grizzled hearth]

Never said it does

[steady quiver]

wh0ps

//////

[grizzled hearth]

It doesn't fit neither

[charred drift]

first lm tree was self death activation
but br shares of kill-relation and role reveals

this can change like that

[torpid sparrow]

Just double the bells of bellringer

[grizzled hearth]

BR is death activation too

[torpid sparrow]

Make it base

And make ft adv

[steady quiver]

wait so if ft and paci would fit tho

but fc

meh

[calm nimbus]

Make fc vigi advanced and problem solves

[torpid sparrow]

I hate how it makes sense 😭

Ayo

Sus

I saw that

🤨

[grizzled hearth]

I wanted to send the one without text, that's why I deleted it

It just didn't load

[charred drift]

first lm and avenger were activation upon death

with br its activation upon SOMEONES death

whether it be themselves or others

[grizzled hearth]

It's all about death activation, regardless whose

[torpid sparrow]

Well

What if a carded perosn dies

The other persons TRUE role is rveealed

[calm nimbus]

Lm br gives info ft gives info makes sense ft would be lm advanced

[grizzled hearth]

Then it would be OP BR

[torpid sparrow]

That way we can fit it better to br

[charred drift]

buffed br

[grizzled hearth]

It's a more powerful BR

[torpid sparrow]

is more powefull

[grizzled hearth]

Canni has a drawback with it

They have to wait

[calm nimbus]

Sk is like the forky of rks what do you expect lol

Nah canni is stronger than sk but still I think ft is weaker than br and avenger lol

[torpid sparrow]

I mean

Paci is better fc

[calm nimbus]

Maybe not br

[grizzled hearth]

Paci is a reveal+blocker, FC is a silent saver

[calm nimbus]

Paci is a log stronger than fc

You cant argue it isnt

[torpid sparrow]

Paci(log) = fc

[calm nimbus]

But yeah thats just br but stronger so no

[torpid sparrow]

😭

Make it advenced of anything but fc

Even bh is fine

[charred drift]

lm fits BEST compared to what we have

[grizzled hearth]

Being base fits best

[calm nimbus]

No

Lm is the only tree that would make somewhat sense

Cause they have similar strenght and reveal roles

[calm nimbus]

Ya

[torpid sparrow]

Ft gives cards

Forger gives items

Both give out stuff

Easy connection

||/j||

[grizzled hearth]

Wws give death

[charred drift]

red lady gives info

[grizzled hearth]

RL be like :

• You get : Visit
• I receive : Death

[charred drift]

red lady also gives protegtuon

[grizzled hearth]

For themselves

She either survives or dies

[soft pendant]

:>

[torpid sparrow]

Guys

Make gunner base role

And ft adv

[torpid sparrow]

But whenever someone gets a card, their whole faction dies

[grizzled hearth]

Whole faction?

You mean team?

[charred drift]

no,by faction they mean every role that will exist during that time

[grizzled hearth]

👀

[torpid sparrow]

Well, if thats what it is

Like if a doctor gets a card

All and die

If a wolf get a card, all die

[grizzled hearth]

That basically be too op

Seers find a wolf, you give them a card and gg

[torpid sparrow]

Nah its fiiine

[grizzled hearth]

With the Gunner being base, I do agree it's simpler but troll accounts basically overuse it

[torpid sparrow]

||btw it was a joke ||

[next cedar]

Just choose

Best role for faking

Also yesterday I tried explaining to someone that bh isn’t a good fake claim and their whole arguement was “but everyone else fakes bh so I should as well”

[tranquil comet]

Heres an interesting change if u want to move FT to the FC tree:

You have two cards which you can give to other players at night but they won’t know that they received a card. If any player holding a card would be lynched, they will be saved from death and you will know one of two roles that the card holders might be. Once any card is used to prevent a lynch, both cards will be destroyed

Extra Attribute: You must give both cards at the same time to different players

say I give card to (1) sheriff and (2) nww, if i try to lynch 1 or 2, the lynch will fail and the game will give me possible role, 1 or 2 is sheriff OR 1 or 2 is nww (it will send one message but not both)

and if u want it can prioritise an evil role if they’ve been given a card

Current reworked is mostly just to prove who they are

[tranquil comet]

perfect town be like

[charred drift]

forced rolecall

[tranquil comet]

why force role call when pacifist can just use their action

[charred drift]

yeah,fhe idea is rlly weak

[dusky perch]

That was my thought only its can be lm adv too or have their own base

[jolly pilot]

Honestly fits LM the best, even if it doesn't involve death

And what's the Bully Buff?

[tranquil comet]

theres a what now

[jolly pilot]

IK

@dusky perch

Sorry for the ping, but what's the alleged Bully buff?

[calm nimbus]

Bully doesnt need a buff most noobs just cant play it 🤷‍♂️

[jolly pilot]

I agree, but I'll have to see what they have in mind

I'm curious as to what they're doing

[dusky perch]

who said its getting buff?

[uncut marlin]

Can anyone show me how i can find the shirt heart broken easter egg ?

Or this

[agile basin]

It was a joke you made when the #game-change-log said "bully is now able to see the roles of who they concussed" instead of "bully is now able to see the players who they concussed"

[quaint hamlet]

banpan is an actual ig item??

[agile basin]

Indeeed

[dusky perch]

lol that will be good buff

[agile basin]

From the creator of vigilante: Four reveals bully 🫦

[uncut marlin]

How can i get that can you show me pls 👉👈

[agile basin]

Not sure if it's still obtainable, I need to check

[uncut marlin]

Thank you so much 👉👈

[dusky perch]

better than helping hh and rock their target

[uncut marlin]

I have the T shirt menu but this T shirt isn't

[torpid sparrow]

Cerdoh face reveal

[uncut marlin]

Does anyone can help me with this egg ?

[dusky perch]

match someone with breakfast back

[uncut marlin]

Tks you so much

I will wait

[jolly pilot]

My bad lmao

[midnight silo]

Ahahha

[queen citrus]

sussy

[tropic blade]

😳

[dusky perch]

puppy

[teal ravine]

Goofy

[torpid sparrow]

Ahh

[strong dew]

Hehe

[woven hawk]

Haha

[tropic blade]

how

[grave crane]

Would be funny if it was a 50/50 to reveal the actual role

[calm nimbus]

You made the vigilante?

[agile basin]

Nope

It was a joke about a mistypo on #game-change-log, nothing more

[calm nimbus]

Nice, I hate this role

[graceful violet]

bro vigilator is literally so good though i admit gunner is better

[tropic blade]

VIGILATOR

[steady quiver]

vigilator..

[charred drift]

who made vigi

[calm nimbus]

The devs I think?

[calm nimbus]

It's fun to play unfun to play against

At least gunner needs skill to play vigi just uses reveal and wins safely

[frosty gorge]

With Bully you can throw rocks at anyone you want, as long you don't kill them.

If you randomly throw rock at ww seer, werewolves might think ww seer is trolling and report them.

you create chaos

[jolly pilot]

Vigi is, at its core, anti social deduction

[humble current]

"why didn't you cc me day one?"

Vigilante:

It's kinda like why easter bunny is the hardest role to claim even though it has no abilities

there is only one ever in a game and vigi can debuke it instantly

[tropic blade]

made me up

[torpid sparrow]

Guys, i just had a dream about FT rework

FT will have 3 types of cards: Sun, Moon, Eclipse

You can give a Sun card to a dead player during the day, and at night, if you give them the Moon card, the player will be revived and an Eclipse will be formed.
After the revival, you will be granted two Eclipse cards which can be used during the day to see if a player is villager team or not

[grizzled hearth]

So it's like a Medium advanced with a kinda reveal?

[uncut marlin]

Pls anyone know show me how can i have this...

[lusty gull]

It's one of the ee shirts if you match the background with somebody else

[uncut marlin]

Tks alot

[dusky perch]

is this a new feature ? item cost not visible

[tropic blade]

goals

[plush hollow]

or may be a bug?

[dusky perch]

its been like that for days now

[opaque mulch]

Priceless

[deft vault]

Do we know what roles will be confirmed next upd?

[latent locust]

im going to predict and / (this will 100% be wrong)

[dusky perch]

spy need rework

4 check isnt fair at all

[torpid sparrow]

We need lurker

[dusky perch]

^

i can confirm

toxic wolf did well and balanced

ft already in game

spy is OP need rework be balanced

lurker ok but kinda useles if they make fool base is more fun than having lurker and fool in samee setup

[charred drift]

fart did better than i expected ngl,everyone said it was buffed bers and too op

[dusky perch]

siren got icon in game already so its coming

[tranquil comet]

I think there will be a system soon where if cards are disabled, every role including advanced will appear as random roles

[dapper iris]

.

[tranquil comet]

like not only ranked

but actual all random

and custom areas

now with cards disabled will enable all roles to spawn including advances

[dusky perch]

[tranquil comet]

i don’t think even Salem knows that info hahaha

[steady quiver]

prob only crazy mode and custom if that does happens

[tranquil comet]

yes

[dapper iris]

[dapper iris]

3 is balance ig

checked 3 ppl they can kill ppl or not

if kill choose 2/3 ppl to check team

[calm nimbus]

Well now it's in game lol

[jolly pilot]

Spy isn't coming, nor is Lurker

Not unless they test a nerfed Spy REAL soon

[latent locust]

i never said it was a good prediction 😭

[jolly pilot]

Nah, it's alright lmao

Lurker is SO CLOSE to being good

This makes the most sense

Especially considering FT is probably coming within a week

Siren just needs to bypass TG and it's all set

I think Siren will come with BP 33

[graceful violet]

i dont think anyone wants lurker to be in the game since 99% of the people who get the role flee of boredem or just get converted to a losing team

[jolly pilot]

Which is why it needs a few small changes

[agile basin]

I like

[graceful violet]

it literally requires no strategy and the worst ones are who claim day one to get converted by vigilator or witch which is just making winning for evils even harder

[jolly pilot]

Which is why it needs a few small changes

Make it be able to kill if they join WW or Killers, and if they're unable to kill otherwise

[graceful violet]

yea its pretty flawed rn

maybe if they are the last ww or the killer who recruited him dies

or else hes just like good ol' instigator who is useless after his team dies

thank god he got buffed

[jolly pilot]

I suggested an unturned Lurker could visit a player every night, which could:

• Turn them to a Villager if they walk into a trap
• Instead of killing who they visit, they would tank a hit for that player and join the team of the attacker

And of course if they became a WW/Killer, they'd be able to kill if need be

[daring parcel]

are they still able to visit players when they became a killer or wolf member?

[tranquil comet]

exactly, at first I hated it but actually outside of the role card system, there is a lot of fun to balance lurker in a vacuum, its the only cursed advanced I feel has any synergy with RK, and more synergy with RK is good with me. and you simply just have to weaken kill power and not add roles such as vigi (or gunner) to make it more difficult for lurker to claim without village sacrificing the majority of its kill power

[jolly pilot]

Not with my idea, no

But they could still be killed from traps by voting with the wolves and stuff like that

They just wouldn't SPECIFICALLY visit

[dusky perch]

why lm talisman dont work for avg as fixed role

if i have avg card its should work

💀 i enabled anti talism for all fixed vilalgers to be rrv all time but this avg is fixed

its work good u should try it !

i like this

now im happy i bought talisman offer

[sturdy cargo]

i think i saw you in a game eariler and you said i was evil last second of voting phase and tagged me (i was cupid)

[dusky perch]

u sure? i remember tag gunner cuz i asked and they didnt reply when i was cpl with bandit day1 and seer found bandit

[sturdy cargo]

yeah cause it was a game eariler and the persons name was Salem

[dusky perch]

💀 i played like 10 games last 30min

yeh i remember tag cupid

u was 3 right?

[sturdy cargo]

Yes

[hidden obsidian]

Wow why ur game look like that

[calm nimbus]

Siren is a broken concept

[jolly pilot]

Siren is not a broken concept, Siren is quite good IMO

It just needs to bypass TG like the rest of the Arso tree, and it's good

[calm nimbus]

Siren is the worst rk ever created

[dusky perch]

80x odd

[jolly pilot]

Laughs in

[calm nimbus]

I meant in a design way btw

It's anti fun cause when you die you lose since you're rk but you make one other team worse as well

[jolly pilot]

That's like calling Junior Werewolf anti-fun

[calm nimbus]

You clearly didnt read what I said

It's also just shit in terms of power

[jolly pilot]

It's main drawback was TG, from the games I played

If it could bypass TG it would be honestly so much better

[calm nimbus]

It's affected by protection so it's bad it's not just tg

[jolly pilot]

TG isn't just protection though, which is why it's the main issue

[calm nimbus]

And giving an avenger/jww type ability to rk makes literally 0 sense

[jolly pilot]

I mean, it gives "strategy" to when you should kill the Siren

Kill the Siren when they have less people Entranced, not immediately

[calm nimbus]

If you have no one else to vote you cant do anything

Those players are gonna die anyways

[jolly pilot]

Encourages people to not be gung-ho about voting out, ESPECIALLY wolves

[calm nimbus]

And even if it gives siren a bit more time, she will still be killed in the end

Imo they made siren really bad as an rk because her avenger type thing is just broken