speculations

[vocal imp]

Same thing can be said for the opposite

Lets say fool is exposed then possess fool to force fool or possessor win

[unborn nimbus]

Yeah sounds like zombie before nerfs, team up with village to kill ww if they GOING DOWN

[vocal imp]

You cant team with village

[slate estuary]

maybe you can possess wolves too?

[vocal imp]

The possessed player isn't in your team i think

[unborn nimbus]

I saw many games people begging to tell who wolf is when med and all informers died/fled before d2 started

[vocal imp]

Would be interesting if you could only possess once or twice and the player you choose joined your team and you'd control their abilities and they control the speech

[slate estuary]

that would sound like a nerfed bandit

[vocal imp]

Not really

It would be similar

To bandit

[unborn nimbus]

Yeah i told vigi to shoot someone unconfirmed because they were accusing me using sect leader secret message ability, they shot the player the person who i was ccing

[vocal imp]

But id say it would be better if you played it smart

[unborn nimbus]

Caused me to get lynched

[slate estuary]

zombie is the only killer who can't kill 😢

[unborn nimbus]

Zombie is a pain, both for the converted players and for wolves

As they dont bring anything to the game

[vocal imp]

Lets say you control a ww and ww are winning now you and the possessed player pretty much won

And tbh I dont like the fact that the player dont know they are possessed

Just sounds really confusing

And also the gameplay is a little bit boring for the possessor

[unborn nimbus]

Its just another role that i will flee upon getting

Or i can just press one button and leave this realm

They just making game unfun to play with new roles, it was good... and then they added zombie, bandit, astronomer, now this

Playing as that sound fun, playing against that feel like butcher slapping beef on your teams face preventing them from doing anything for two nights

[woven surge]

it sounds like one of those roles thats gonna have a lot of bugs too

[vocal imp]

Improved possessor (no offense)
Bandit adv

Either kill someone or choose someone to possess, killing someone will work as a alchemist black potion kill (tho the player dies at the end of the day) and possessing bypasses all protection, possessing makes you die and makes the selected player join your team and you will be able to kill and use their abilities and they will still be able to talk. You can communicate with the possessed player. If you or the possessed player are the last player alive you and possessed player wins however if the possessed player dies both you and the possessed player lose.

If you possess fool and fool gets voted nothing happens except you both lose (like recruit fool)
Possessing can only be done once

[unborn nimbus]

This role just another sk on steroids, only difference is it keep switching places and ww can kill them

I will sleep and read what is that tomorrow again, my head hurts now... i cant think straight and im biased.

[candid linden]

would be ridiculous and if they found out they were possessed they just can say to the whole village "im possessed kill me"

Its better than some role that just got added like anarchist and bully these role bad

[willow zealot]

Things may have changed since, but I swear one of the cardinal sins of role creation was roles that possess others

[candid linden]

Wdym

[vocal imp]

Yeah because of false report issues

But that role isn't able to chat nor use abilities while possessing

[vocal imp]

I prefer my version of the role tbh but eh ig a new rk is still a win

[candid linden]

Wolffluencer is a possess role

You cant edit role in vote tho

[tranquil comet]

true but its not really serious for guardians to handle, but making somebody say racist shit or blaming it on a role that you are able to say hate speech is the level they meant

[candid linden]

Thats why they make the "Possessed" cannot talk

Also would be confusing when someone throw by saying they are influenced

[tranquil comet]

the role in #dev-vote is too confusing for me. its just basically, wait until u get caught, except u aren’t really caught cuz u can just hide in other peoples bodies

and even then just ask everyone to speak

or smth

and you’ll know where the new host is at

[supple finch]

Exactly it's pretty weak

[candid linden]

You dont know wheres the host unless they is revealed

[tranquil comet]

like i said

the new host can’t do anything

cuz they are possessed

[candid linden]

Bypass protection, just go seer and seer die hell yeah pretty weak💀

[empty tree]

kinda like a weaker corr or smth

[supple finch]

If seer doesn't speak up, vote seer, possessed dead...

[candid linden]

Actually, i think its hard to find possessed

[candid linden]

Role description didnt say possessed person cannot talk

[tranquil comet]

ok so possessed can use hate speech

[candid linden]

How?

[tranquil comet]

because they can talk

u said the description does not say they cannot talk

[empty tree]

[candid linden]

Man, read extra 1 they said original possessed cannot talk

[tranquil comet]

also

extra 1 ye

[candid linden]

Silly

[tranquil comet]

so after switching to another body

u cant speak

which means

everyone speak

[candid linden]

It kinda op for mr

[tranquil comet]

u can’t speak

u die

[candid linden]

Me

[tranquil comet]

i dont see the point of the role

[candid linden]

I dont think we should discuss in speculations

🥸

[tranquil comet]

we can

because its a role from #dev-vote

[candid linden]

Possessed pretty op, its hard to find them especially they bypass protection

[tranquil comet]

its not hard to find them as everyone else explained pretty much but sure, we all agree its a poorly designed role

op or not

[candid linden]

Its hard to find

People misunderstand the role

Ignoring that they sometimes op (bypasses protection) plus you can stay at one person waiting when the possessed person body got sus and you swap

[vocal imp]

Bro possessor cant talk but possessed player can

[candid linden]

Or you can just stay at informer they are mostly got protected when all wws die go kill these villager

[tranquil comet]

so the possessed player is not aware they’re being possessed they just talk normally

[vocal imp]

Yes

[tranquil comet]

i thought by going into a body they die and so they just become a lifeless body that can’t talk

[candid linden]

Possessed person act "normal" as usual

[tranquil comet]

thats what i thought

[vocal imp]

Possessor is a wierd mix between and

[candid linden]

It didnt have similarity to split ww

Or maybe yesh

[vocal imp]

The closest thing to possess that we have rn is split wolf bind

[tranquil comet]

well sure if the possessed player is normal and has absolutely no idea they’re being possessed then yeah hard to find

[candid linden]

I dont find how people find "possessed" weak"

[tranquil comet]

because they think the possessed player is dead

[candid linden]

Its strong, probably can be better than bandit

[vocal imp]

It would be better if the possessed player knew they were possessed and would join the possessor's team

[vocal imp]

Its the strongest rk imo

[candid linden]

No💀

That just bandit

[vocal imp]

Not really

[tranquil comet]

not really

it can be adv of bandit with that tho

[candid linden]

the current ability is more unique

[vocal imp]

Something like this:
Improved possessed (no offense)
Bandit adv

Either kill someone or choose someone to possess, killing someone will work as a alchemist black potion kill (tho the player dies at the end of the day) and possessing bypasses all protection, possessing makes you die and makes the selected player join your team and you will be able to kill and use their abilities and they will still be able to talk. You can communicate with the possessed player. If you or the possessed player are the last player alive you and possessed player wins however if the possessed player dies both you and the possessed player lose.

If you possess fool and fool gets voted nothing happens except you both lose (like recruit fool)
Possessing can only be done twice

[tranquil comet]

but yeah i mean got 2x advances alr

[candid linden]

Why you dont suggest creating one with that ability

[vocal imp]

Eh its boring and too powerful imo

[candid linden]

I find it funny

[tranquil comet]

u literally just jump to people you know aren’t gonna die

[vocal imp]

You dont get to chat and it adds really dumb situations

Like lets say all ww dead

Jump into

[tranquil comet]

lol

[vocal imp]

Now its either possessor win or fool win

[tranquil comet]

you’ll probably have to add a starve mechanic or smth

where u have to jump bodies

like no other choice

[candid linden]

Jump to seer and get tagged by jww

[tranquil comet]

u can’t stay in a single body for longer than a day

[vocal imp]

Dont jump to seer?

[candid linden]

Seer is always being protected

[vocal imp]

Jump to or ww when ww are winning and watch your chance of winning go to 90%

[tranquil comet]

still seems like a low effort way to win, u get caught except not really, u don’t really care about the social deduction element of the game

[candid linden]

Possessed counter probably is Vigi or paci (extra 4)

I mean its new base role

[vocal imp]

Only possessor counter is random voting/killing

[candid linden]

It can be op or very stupid af like anarchist

[tranquil comet]

nah he has a point, cuz u can only possess at night

[candid linden]

Newbie easily counter this

[tranquil comet]

you’ll be lynched before u can escape.

[vocal imp]

Yeah and?

[candid linden]

Seems not a problem, its new base role

[vocal imp]

Wdym

[candid linden]

Newbie usually "random votinf"

Probably should make possessed cannot stay in that person body more than 2 days

[vocal imp]

Possessed's only counters are random voting/killing/revealing and being checked night 1 by seer

[tranquil comet]

reveal him -> he gets lynched
or u can jail him by accident too

[vocal imp]

Oh yeah tho he's able to possess night 1

💀

[tranquil comet]

🤣

leave it to chance

[candid linden]

Im just currious what if possessed is instigated

Would be funny

[versed shoal]

wdym nope? I was in a game that that happened to zombies lol

[candid linden]

The other instigated : hell nah im out of here

[vocal imp]

Possessed is going to become the op rk
Now we have and possessed (if added)

[candid linden]

Astro is balanced already

[vocal imp]

Say that to the entire ww team

[candid linden]

Kinda op, wolffluencer need nerf

[tranquil comet]

yeah balanced as an RSV

[vocal imp]

Astro balanced and wolffluencer needs a nerf 💀💀💀

[tranquil comet]

can be easily nerfed anyway

[vocal imp]

Classic village fanatic

[candid linden]

Are you joking right now

[tranquil comet]

just do the same thing as with

[vocal imp]

Thats literally what you said

[candid linden]

I love to play as rk, wolffluencer basically need nerf

[tranquil comet]

i know people are annoyed about it controlling

so just

[vocal imp]

Better to give it only 3 charges instead

[tranquil comet]

make it so it can’t voteswit u the same player

two times in a row

[candid linden]

1v3 and u already win

As wolffluencer

[vocal imp]

Yeah and

Its op

But astro is also op

[candid linden]

Youre to being fanatic to wws role

[vocal imp]

Nah both astro and wolffluencer needs nerfs

[tranquil comet]

so how would u prevent this

i think 1v3 is built into a role that can steal another’s votes

[candid linden]

Give idea

[vocal imp]

I think roles that are able to block an entire team should just be reworked

[tranquil comet]

i mean the best u could do is

[candid linden]

need buff

[versed shoal]

Astro only blocking wolves for 1 night isn't op tbh. It should be reverted back to EVERYONE sleeping at nigjt

[tranquil comet]

u can’t use your ability as the last ww

[versed shoal]

no bell ringer is fine tbh

[tranquil comet]

both fine

[candid linden]

Nah, this is stupid

[tranquil comet]

i wouldn’t touch those roles

[vocal imp]

Ok have you ever played as with rrv and fixed

[candid linden]

I would still prefer forger over astro

[vocal imp]

Ww literally gave up

[versed shoal]

? No. Eveeryone sleeping at night makes village be able to vote twice

[daring parcel]

literally nobody in general rn

[candid linden]

And, whats the point of it anyways

[versed shoal]

everyone including villager*

[vocal imp]

2 vote phases

[versed shoal]

getting double vote??

[vocal imp]

Incase you dont know thats busted

[versed shoal]

It's like... really good?

[candid linden]

That only works when you find ww

[vocal imp]

But balanced-ish

[versed shoal]

Exactly

[tranquil comet]

so skill issue for you I suppose

[candid linden]

Nah man

[vocal imp]

I was talking about current astro

[tranquil comet]

even then

[versed shoal]

astro should have been double vill vote + kill.

[tranquil comet]

u block 2 ww attacks for free

[vocal imp]

I agree tbh

[tranquil comet]

so what u don’t find the ww now

[candid linden]

I would prefer witch over astro if they get nerf like that

[tranquil comet]

you’ll find them later cuz u delayed 2 of their kills

[versed shoal]

People just think old astro sucks because people misuse astro

and use new moon too early

[vocal imp]

is flawed

[tranquil comet]

well now its pretty much what they’re asked to do

which is messed up

[versed shoal]

old astro was about potentially double killing

[vocal imp]

And should be made into rsv

Or reverted

[candid linden]

Astro with marksman ability and u gonna nerf him like that

💀

[vocal imp]

Into first version

[tranquil comet]

new moon alone carries the role

[versed shoal]

How about instead of making everyone sleep. It just skips the night?

[tranquil comet]

u can have no kill and you’d be better than

[vocal imp]

Have you ever played in a game with 2 astro

[candid linden]

The same but not wasting time

[versed shoal]

this will make it more bearable for everyone

[candid linden]

Every duplicate role is op

[versed shoal]

that's... the intention

It's just the same but not wasting time

[tranquil comet]

its really not, im sure there are duplicate roles you can’t trust

which is part of the reason duplicate roles can exist

[versed shoal]

pre-buff astro is balanced

[candid linden]

Weaker than witch, people would just prefer forger and cry when they got astro

[tranquil comet]

nah people wanted because it was powerful

thats like saying I’m crying about because I got when got its own problems too

[candid linden]

Forger op when he survived night 1

[tranquil comet]

I agree N6 was too late for a sword

but N2 is quite early

for an RRV

[candid linden]

I usually do d1 shield d3 sword

[versed shoal]

You're throwing away protecting to have another vote.

it's not weaker than witch.

[versed shoal]

astro basically has two kills if used correctly...

Do you know how good that is for an rrv that doesn't need time to set up set up (like mm)

[candid linden]

Or always

[candid linden]

So do witch

[versed shoal]

old astro is about two kills, while witch is about 1 protect and 1 kill

[daring parcel]

astro players before the big nerf
astro players after the big nerf

[candid linden]

If so, delete the astro die when killing villager ability

[versed shoal]

it's a Side-Grade to witch intentionally

[versed shoal]

?

unrelated

[bold berry]

What was astro before the nerf?

[versed shoal]

before buff*

[bold berry]

Ah yes sorry

[versed shoal]

It blocks EVERYONE, not just evil roles

[daring parcel]

?

[versed shoal]

basically allowong for dowble voting phase

[candid linden]

You die when you kill villager + blocking whole village totally not weak

[tranquil comet]

the common thing about is that they have a no bullshit killing ability at their disposal, and having duplicate of these usually leads to significant village advantages or gamethrowing

[daring parcel]

it was a nerf with astro only able to nightmare wolves

[versed shoal]

it got buff then nerf

[bold berry]

Oh yeah woops I forgot about that nerf

[candid linden]

Forger is the most nprmal

Witch is random killer

[bold berry]

Buff

[tranquil comet]

me personally I’d just give an extra protection potion and call it

[bold berry]

Idfk it's 2 am and I'm too tired to think

[candid linden]

No

[tranquil comet]

and why not

[versed shoal]

If I remember correctly, witch had two protections in the past?

[tranquil comet]

I don’t recall

no

[candid linden]

No

[bold berry]

I don't think so

[versed shoal]

or is it in the wwc?

[candid linden]

Witch never got a single update

Why not focus on bully first

And Anarchist

[versed shoal]

Bully is fine

I used it and it's fine

[tranquil comet]

I mean yes I didn’t forget is and is much weaker than is but I got the nerfs for so

[bold berry]

Since in the werewolves irl game (I forgot what it was called in English, its weerwolven van wakkerdam in Dutch) the witch also has 1 kill and 1 protection, it wouldn't really make sense for wov to change it

[daring parcel]

buff was that no non village can kill nerf that only wolves can't kill

[candid linden]

Looking at your comment youre a fanatic wws player

[versed shoal]

?

No

I used bully and it's fine

[candid linden]

Gunner is better than bully and also vigi

[versed shoal]

3 role blocks are good if in the right hands

[tranquil comet]

having to hold 2 bullets is also risky, and scary to some people

and people already get shouted out for using a reveal as vigi too

[candid linden]

Its better than stunning

Bully is just delayed Gunner

[versed shoal]

Honestly it's just skill issue if you think bully is bad

it's a side-grade for a reason

it's good for some scenarios, bad for some

[candid linden]

Lmfao skill issue?💀

[versed shoal]

Like lm/avenger/br

[tranquil comet]

Me personally, I need as a balancing factor in a few setups xD

[candid linden]

Bully need 4 rocks or faster throwing rocks

[tranquil comet]

I’d be down for 4 rocks

especially since it wouldn’t change much

[versed shoal]

I mean 4 rocks is fine. but faster throwing? nah.

[next cedar]

How does making the rocks go faster make it better in any way

[candid linden]

4 rocks if u wanna survive till day 4

[tranquil comet]

sure

[versed shoal]

Rocks give info too

[candid linden]

Like you can stun at disc phase and voting phase

[versed shoal]

Never stun during discussion phase

NEVER

always stun in voting phase

[candid linden]

Thats faster throwing rocks work

[versed shoal]

(unless you're stunning shadow)

[tranquil comet]

u can stun in discussion if u aren’t sure

that way if u stunned med or smth

they won’t be blocked at night

[candid linden]

I would like to put bully as adv of priest

[versed shoal]

ah ya

[versed shoal]

b r o

def not

it's clearly vigi advanced

[candid linden]

Or make bully can stun during the night

[versed shoal]

unless you wanna nerf bully to 2 rocks

[tranquil comet]

honestly couldn’t care less as long as it can’t fire rocks quickly

[versed shoal]

it can

Stun in voting phase

it stuns at night

[candid linden]

Bro is bigbrain

[empty tree]

lol people will straight up to war if they know that

[tranquil comet]

don’t need nerfs rn

[candid linden]

I said you can throw rock during the night

[versed shoal]

What's the use of that?

Literally nothing

You don't gain info at night

[next cedar]

Bullying

[candid linden]

Bro is big brain again

You could prevent wws using ability at disc phase

And prevent wwes from killing

[versed shoal]

uh

Ability in disc phase?

they'll just ability in voting phase

if you wanna kill them. Just rock them in voting phase, then just rock them quickly in disc phase next day

[candid linden]

Bro is big brain again n again

You could rock them again in disc phase

They die

[versed shoal]

No

if you rocked at night. then it already used the rock for the day/night cycle

[candid linden]

No

Buff zombie

Buff Astro

Buff illu

[versed shoal]

if you wanna make it faster. Make the rock be able to used every 2 cycles

[tranquil comet]

rock in discussion, block discuss+voting
rock in voting, block voting+night
so if you were to rock in night you’d block night partially and the discussion

[tranquil comet]

ok finally we agree with something

[candid linden]

Explained in math theory

Look at these people complain about tough guy is disguised if illu attack them now

[tranquil comet]

no faster

[tranquil comet]

thats how it worked a year ago too

its only just come back

[versed shoal]

really cements corr + advanced as "don't claim tg"

make evil det sk advanced as we're good to go

[tranquil comet]

I don’t get my QoL Evil Det change then 😦

[candid linden]

Ed should be adv of sk since it release

[tranquil comet]

true but I wouldn’t play it over

I’d play it over though

[candid linden]

When Bell ringer icon is gray but their ability is yellow bell

[daring parcel]

now you forced to play illu on corru

[tranquil comet]

they better buff first

[candid linden]

New wolffluencer icon sucks

[tranquil comet]

the skin is only a temporary compromise

[vocal imp]

Add #1071188892872618056 as new corr adv since ed is going to sk role tree

[daring parcel]

will be a battle pass icon probably

[candid linden]

I dont think icon that is very different to original icon is battle pass

[tranquil comet]

I will say though

If is new advanced

[candid linden]

Valentine Astro icon would be cool

[tranquil comet]

I’m down to play in casual games

[candid linden]

Buff wolf summoner

Its sad how people said warden is better than jailer

[tranquil comet]

because it is

[candid linden]

Make jailer like tos jailer

[tranquil comet]

no

[candid linden]

When dev took "Assassin" name

[vocal imp]

+

[candid linden]

Into a bullshit role

[vocal imp]

I agree lol

[candid linden]

Cuz "Assassin" name is oversuggested

[tranquil comet]

meh I’d rather have the ww version

[vocal imp]

Ah yes #1063839058540892250

+

[candid linden]

Assassin ability be like :
You can disguise yourself

[vocal imp]

I rather have any of the versions

[candid linden]

Funny people choosed storm ww that erase previous chat over concussioning

[vocal imp]

Ikr

[candid linden]

Basically better than nightmare

Shuffle already can confuse people

With Erase chat is meh

[tranquil comet]

I’d rather give it a rework but erasing the info first before shuffling everyone then u also have to remember what u wrote

[vocal imp]

Erase chat is either going to be extremely busted or semi weak depends on the players in the current game

[tranquil comet]

its not hard of course

but

with this playerbase its hella funny

[candid linden]

Or just make shuffle and erase 2 in 1

[vocal imp]

Rework storm wolf is the best option imo

[candid linden]

I agree

Delete storm ww instead

[tranquil comet]

and astro

[candid linden]

Add wolffluencer

[tranquil comet]

banish them into custom games

[candid linden]

And i never see jelly ww in sandbox

[tranquil comet]

i mean at least storm wolf is good for row wars

[vocal imp]

Thats because no gww in sb

[candid linden]

Also, dev secretly buffed jelly ww

Jelly ww can protect theirself

[tranquil comet]

nah its known

[vocal imp]

That was a bug fix

[candid linden]

Also we got Doc with new ability

[tranquil comet]

just another challenge bot lol

[vocal imp]

Give us an evil role thief
Village already has and

[candid linden]

Name : Ww doc
Ability : you can disguise butcher, they will appear as doc to everyone

[vocal imp]

Now time for ww or rk role thief

[candid linden]

I experienced this before and This killed all rrv in that game

Funny village

[vocal imp]

Huh

[tranquil comet]

now u see the downside of duplicate roles

meanwhile duplicate astro for 3 new moons

[vocal imp]

Me rolls a ww
Game:

[candid linden]

Make Avenger and lm can redirect attacks to theirself

[tranquil comet]

wow thats a good idea

[vocal imp]

Make gg mute add a vote to the muted player

[tranquil comet]

ye

[candid linden]

Make muted person get 10 extra vote

Make preacher can guess to theirself

Bring back old kww ability

Nerf jww

[next cedar]

No

[daring parcel]

[versed shoal]

#dev-vote message

does this mean sheriff will be a base role?

[woven surge]

could be, the devs would have to work out some things like what would happen to the sheriff card offer

#dev-vote s aren't always implemented even if they're popular

[steady quiver]

is illu getting a buff?

[tidal sable]

Hopefully sometime in the future. But for now we don't know their intentions for the role

[unborn nimbus]

Yikes free vote first night i will take it

I remember only two or three games i got 4 votes... i wish i had taken ss when i got that many votes, its very funny when bandits and two ww alive with you and only you choose who will get lynched

[humble current]

I have one

Top left is gr fool (originally thought they were gr corr)

[unborn nimbus]

YES!

I wonder if conjuror can take those votes when you die

Ik conjuror taking mayor's votes but dont know if its same for preacher

[steady quiver]

1 is faded

[daring parcel]

testing time ^^

[slate estuary]

I tried sometimes, and as preacher (conjuror), I had only 1 vote

but maybe preacher had 1 too

[vocal imp]

are probably getting buffed (updated role description in dev build, #dev-vote and wierd stuff happening with the role)
already got nerfed
is probably getting nerfed (updated role description in dev build)

Only missing buff and a potential nerf

These roles were mentioned (and had an imbalance in votes) in #dev-vote

[next cedar]

Wait how did tg get nerfed

[vocal imp]

Tg lost the immunity they had to illu

[next cedar]

Thats not a nerf they just made it so illu can counter it

[vocal imp]

Its a nerf

As it weakens the role

Its a slight nerf

[tawdry ivy]

Tg got nerfed?

:)

[solar ravine]

Its not a nerf, tg before wasnt immune to illu now its back

[unborn nimbus]

Uh... why did they made tg immune to illu?

I only know its no longer a thing

[torpid sparrow]

How did get nerfed?

[torpid sparrow]

Isnt that more of a "bug fix"?

[vocal imp]

Still is a nerf

The role became weaker

[regal nova]

I disagree with being buffed but idm everyth else here

[vocal imp]

Yeah nwm buff is kinda controversial

[regal nova]

what happened?

i assume it wasn't the 3 protections

[vocal imp]

3 protection

[regal nova]

oh

anyways

what was the 🧑‍🚀 nerf?

[vocal imp]

Block only ww

Not rk

[regal nova]

dude-

that was launched a while ago

was it not?

[vocal imp]

3-4 weeks ago

Yes

Still is a nerf

[regal nova]

i thought it was longer...

anw i just realized

they should just make it so it's not announced

granted it would still objectively be better than

[vocal imp]

Only change that I haven't heard of is the illu buff

[regal nova]

wait

devs spoke on being nerfed?

[vocal imp]

No

I forgot about it

I haven't heard about Illu and flagger change

[torpid sparrow]

Yaal complain that double is OP

[cloud cave]

Noooooooo

[torpid sparrow]

But this is what double can do

[cloud cave]

Don’t touch my

[cloud cave]

Lol

[regal nova]

nobody talked

[regal nova]

😂

[regal nova]

yea
if all wolves are known

and they coordinate properly

and neither are killed prior to 2nd shot

[steady quiver]

||not me leaking emojis||

[torpid sparrow]

Two ghosts merging is very cursed

[torpid sparrow]

Both just rando picked lol

[steady quiver]

Some of them... are a little sus

@dusky perch any idea?

[tropic blade]

wolvesville: we don't like epileptic images and gifs.
wolevsville:

[torpid sparrow]

All of those gifs lag my phone 🗿

[tropic blade]

same

I want the ghosts merging one

and the awooga one

[torpid sparrow]

Sus

[tropic blade]

and the rose one

the rest are

welll

[torpid sparrow]

I want the flower thinking

[tropic blade]

the penguin has a serious disease tbh

same

ok but the ghosts doing the conjugation t'ho

[dusky perch]

mini collection

[regal nova]

I'm sorry but if the wolves didn't try at ALL to convey town, then that

's a genuine skill issue

[dusky perch]

the bee one is SO SUS

[steady quiver]

I like what they did with the first bunny emote

https://tenor.com/view/ok-all-nice-gif-22927671

[edgy snow]

yes

[steady quiver]

I love the pigs, it's gonna be so cool to do with a friend

[dusky perch]

😂 😂 😂

i wonder if @obtuse rose knows about it

[opaque mulch]

advanced emote designing

[regal nova]

stioll beats the new design

[regal nova]

it be like that

[torpid sparrow]

they tried

Only 3 villagers were confirmed by n2
And one of them was seer who died to shadow

7 shot 3

I shot 6

Then i marked 1 cuz they were silent

And 7 marked 16 idk why

[regal nova]

I'm sorry but did they not claim?

at all?

like
1 informer 1 prot 1 blanket rrv and 1 atypical rrv (br, gl, etc)

I assume it's sandbox yea?

@cinder turtle bruh

[cinder turtle]

What

[regal nova]

uh name

*ur

[torpid sparrow]

Well
1 5 8 9 12 14 16 were left
We asked for role call 12 claimed trapper 8 claimed bh 5 claimed nothing so priest watered them and died and 1 and 16 was left. But we didnt vote as fool was alive

[rugged panther]

Maybe sorc should be nerfed

So that their aura appears as evil

[tropic blade]

is this a troll account

[next cedar]

Yeah the more I hear them the more I believe that

[rugged panther]

That was a joke 💀

Yall too much of a stickler

[next cedar]

Yeah that’s what trolls do

[steady quiver]

Conjuror chat button

[steady quiver]

what does this mean

talking with the dead players ?

[tropic blade]

probably

[opaque mulch]

it's for conj to talk to me when the game gets boring

[steady quiver]

😮‍💨

[fresh wren]

Isnt Conjuror getting the last info from aura by talking + turning to them and getting a new info just a better seer ap 😦

[plush hollow]

Ahshshs

[marble remnant]

Sigh I'm disappointed

[plush hollow]

Same I don’t think conjuror needed that…

[marble remnant]

Exactly

[robust flint]

single conjours in your area

[vocal imp]

I have a feeling we getting both conjuror dead chat and faster conversion conjuror

Since you can see the option to turn into a new role every day now (but it doesn't work until you had your 1 day cooldown)

Illu buff??

10 is the real

[fast oar]

[slate hull]

How do you even play with a font like that

[vocal imp]

Dont ask me i took someone's ss

[slate hull]

So hard to ready 👀

[vocal imp]

I agree lol

[dire solstice]

Hi

[slate hull]

Well hello there

Cause you're not playing enough nww

[opaque mulch]

single and bored

[tropic blade]

illu buff

uhh

[tranquil comet]

yes

[tropic blade]

idk enough details to judge

[slate hull]

🤫

[vocal imp]

Its either becomes + or becomes + +

It seems like disguised players who die will appear as illu

Tho idk if that includes illu kills

[regal nova]

creenj

[dusky perch]

idk if its was good idea

[regal nova]

idts

[plush hollow]

I don’t think too ._.

It’s an unnecessary buff

[tranquil comet]

its a mediocre buff imo, would’ve preferred fast conversion but majority voted for dead chat

yes it saves you from having to turn into roles u can just use by talking to them from the dead but

[opaque mulch]

med and ritu are slightly better than conj so don't think it's a bad change, wanna test it out

[tranquil comet]

I would think as a u would want the maximum efficiency of using dead villagers including protection and unused kills to make up for not being able to revive and confirm yourself as easily

and the people who say turning into is op will use this buff as a counterargument

[fathom niche]

med strong, ritu boring and conj fun

[grizzled hearth]

Med is classic

[tranquil comet]

what i mean is, be able to turn into jailer, witch, doc etc at will without a cooldown

also some roles like forger, beast hunter, marksman etc are useless to a conjuror

[fathom niche]

I liked conj being unique by not having a dead chat, would prefer a different buff

[tranquil comet]

yep exactly

i hope the buff will be bussin though

since everyone voted to be advanced

[steady quiver]

I would prefer that Conjuror could only talk to 1 dead person every night tbh

[regal nova]

I'd rather they just didn't personally

[steady quiver]

The role would be fun if that happened

Instead of having a ritualist and med chat

[charred drift]

did any buffs nerfs happen if so can you tell me

[upbeat cliff]

What are the easter eggs of 3k1 gems custom room package?

[plush hollow]

Lemme complain for once

[opaque mulch]

you're allowed to just bc you're a pretty bacon

[tranquil comet]

1️⃣ role additions

2️⃣ role changes

3️⃣ role card changes

4️⃣ in game changes
Honor System/Level Hiding/Potential gatekeeping on certain modes
5️⃣ other potential changes
New Crazy Mode/Custom setting (Hypostein gonna host tournament soon)

[next cedar]

I do hope they nerf ghost lady anyways

[fast oar]

?

[next cedar]

And not go with votes

[tranquil comet]

modified already

[fast oar]

Oki

[plush hollow]

Never you bacon

[next cedar]

Counterpoint #dev-vote message

[tranquil comet]

i meant the thing with being changed to only block like old

so its unlikely people want to be touched again

for the time being

but if u want a realistic change

➡️

[next cedar]

Ik

[tranquil comet]

even though it was ratio’ed might be added anyways

[opaque mulch]

just take the compliment

[next cedar]

Just as long as witch gets that protect buff as well

[dusky perch]

will bully make it this time

[tranquil comet]

i mean they added it back to sandbox so it has a slight chance

[torpid sparrow]

Holy flummery YES!!

[opaque mulch]

bully shouldn't it make just so we can keep it as a tradition

[dusky perch]

tbh bully is good vs shadow or rk to reduce kills if they used correctly

[tranquil comet]

i will take you- 🪨

…

[queen flume]

L buff

[bronze mountain]

is just worse if there's no in game

[fresh wren]

What is changing for Ghost Lady

[tranquil comet]

#dev-vote and ignore C

[fresh wren]

So A or B is coming to game ?

[tranquil comet]

A probably

[fresh wren]

Oh okayy

[tranquil comet]

B is too much

[fresh wren]

Thanks

[tranquil comet]

[regal nova]

oh that reminds me

h o w

@young fable

[versed shoal]

actually if forger created an item the previous day, conju forger should have it available to them

Same as how conjuror analyst is blocked from scanning if analyst scanned same aura night that they died.

[tranquil comet]

ok so a little bit useful

[regal nova]

conger

[unborn nimbus]

Uh... how you get to test those?

[tropic blade]

connor

(conjuror + conjuror)

[vocal imp]

Dayum

[vocal imp]

I dont think bully is getting added tbh

[vocal imp]

Hopefully conj also gets faster conversion

[unborn nimbus]

look today bully killed me as trapper just because aura confirmed me unk and there were other confirmed unk they said they won't claim so i didn't aswell, bully is not a good role with this playerbase

[delicate scroll]

Finally a playable conjuror

[bronze mountain]

real and true

i avoid bully game because i somehow always get stoned when i’m med

[delicate scroll]

Is it really specific to bully? I can see many gunners and vigi doing the same.

[unborn nimbus]

faster conversion = useless role list , roles that loses half of its uses =

[bronze mountain]

bully has the anonymous thing

so people are less afraid of randomming

[unborn nimbus]

sure, let me explain the difference, they would shoot 13 instead as they said there are many good unk in game so i wont claim and 6 killed 5 just because unk confirm

this player base man

they don't know how to use roles, i saw flagger redirecting attack on claim seer/med

[delicate scroll]

Yikes

[unborn nimbus]

thank you, this is also the major issue

[delicate scroll]

Bully is revealed once they kill though

[unborn nimbus]

they just throw rock and people start asking your role as you can claim your role

[vocal imp]

None of these are confirmed
Potential new roles:
Buffs:
: deleting the chat
: dead chat (and maybe faster conversion)
: 3 protections
: killed disguised player will appear as
Nerfs:
: cant mute same player twice in a row
Potential nerf
Potential nerf
Potential nerf
Changes:
becomes a base role with as its adv
becomes adv
Maybe will become

[bronze mountain]

this is the most annoying thing ever

dying being voted off because you couldn’t claim, as you were stoned

[vocal imp]

Tbh gunner also can do that

[delicate scroll]

These are your expected changes?

[unborn nimbus]

i saw people throwing rock in discussion time and then concussed rk/last ww gets a kill they send it as a bug, they dont even know the duration of the ability wont reach at night if they use it too early

[vocal imp]

Well thats everything that have been posted in #speculations or #dev-vote

[delicate scroll]

Oh ok, cool

Where is the screenshot with conjuror dead chat from?

[vocal imp]

Even if conjuror has a slower conversion bh trapper and mm are still useless

And yeah ig gunner and vigi interaction gets weakened

But id still think it's better

[delicate scroll]

Same

[vocal imp]

@delicate scroll

[unborn nimbus]

they hotfixed (nerfed) conjuror by making bleed function how it should, removes upon turning back

[delicate scroll]

Yea, just wanted to know where Salem got it

[vocal imp]

No clue

I only know that what they post usually comes true

[delicate scroll]

Ahh

[unborn nimbus]

why tho?

[delicate scroll]

Magic. Lol

[vocal imp]

Now the only weak roles are and

[unborn nimbus]

im still in shock that i confirmed in a game had to claim d1 and revive and redirected attack on them, and for no reason redirected attack on that like there wasnt any other player left in entire game...

why sandbox feels like quick game?

[delicate scroll]

Quicksand? 👀

[unborn nimbus]

mayhaps?

[vocal imp]

Make a and give more freedom

[unborn nimbus]

wtf is this setup

omg i hit tg

😄 im corruptor tho

[vocal imp]

hit and med dead
🗿
💀
😎
having a speed duel with

[unborn nimbus]

i even found a friend 😄

[unborn nimbus]

vs whoever has less lag wins

ik that i will always lose, i have slight delay on my game

[tranquil comet]

u forgot and are based roles

in terms of evil roles

also sorc is a based role but i did say something about it seeing ww chat but not able to speak in it

[vocal imp]

Idk imo >

And >

[tranquil comet]

either way they both need attention

[vocal imp]

Yeah ig so

[tranquil comet]

Also evil rework that will probably never come 😔

[vocal imp]

Shaman should be able to enchant when last ww
Sk should get something special

For sk i had an idea about letting sk know everything that is happening to him

So something like
The marksman is marking you
The spirit seer is checking you
You were attacked by the werewolves

[tranquil comet]

tbh the only problem I had with is when I get to the final people then village picks ww and I lose

so something to avoid this would be nice

but your buff is also good

u could literally have a new ww role that basically is just alerting ww what happens to them

[vocal imp]

How would you avoid this?

[whole bolt]

Yeah is a straight upgrade from lol, need a small buff

[tranquil comet]

i was thinking an endgame skill that you get as a reward for killing enough people early and mid game

like if u kill 2 villagers or something u gain an extra kill or smth, not original but just an example

[vocal imp]

Yeah smth like that sounds good

[tranquil comet]

also needs a buff but not a big one cuz its kinda annoying when your recruits die and u basically have to play by yourself for the rest of the game even though its an issue has as well but its not top priority, i mean wins probably over half of all ranked games it appears in so I’m not too sure

and for villagers theres not much I can say since the majority are being looked at right now it seems

there is and then some other roles having unknown auras but they mostly got ignored

and is also a role that stands out to me as needing a bit of changes

[tranquil comet]

village is gonna lose simulator

[vocal imp]

Give insti a knife 👀

[unborn nimbus]

fool won

[solar ravine]

Astro get small buff

[vocal imp]

Aint no way astro is getting buffed

[rugged panther]

So everybody here is trolls? Yall live life with no jokes no laughs, just seriousness?

Most of the stuff i say is serious

[next cedar]

#dev-vote message tbh because of how close this is it’s up to the devs but yeah

[tranquil comet]

thats not a pure “buff”

[next cedar]

Not a pure buff but unless it blocks day village kills its still stronger

[vocal imp]

Solo shouldn't be blocked tbh

And frenzy should bypass the new moon

[rugged panther]

Nahhhhhhhh we need a counter to frenzy

Astro only vlg to counter frenzy

[vocal imp]

[rugged panther]

Preach

[regal nova]

Just allow it to win f2

[regal nova]

We got

[rugged panther]

Nah gambler is perfect

[regal nova]

Cap

[rugged panther]

I love gambler and use him

Gambler op in my hands

[regal nova]

Uh

That's the problem?

It's a strictly better

[rugged panther]

Its advanced aura

Not detective lol

[regal nova]

That doesn't change the fact that what i said is true

[rugged panther]

Aura is better than det

[regal nova]

A: no it's not
B: det is rsv

[rugged panther]

Aura is better than det

[regal nova]

So the fact you're saying thus proves my point

[rugged panther]

So much room for ww to kill villagers with det ig

Not aura

[regal nova]

needs nerfs

[rugged panther]

Aura confirms ppl

Det doesnt really

Especially when fool or hh ig

[regal nova]

Yes it does

[rugged panther]

Det is worse than aura

[regal nova]

No it's not 😂

[rugged panther]

U cant survive if aura says ur evil

But with det u can

[regal nova]

You can it's called fqking aura

*faking

Or better yet

Just don't be bad

[rugged panther]

If real aura is in game and proven as aura u cant fake ur claim

Det u can

[regal nova]

I'm guessing most wolves you see get checked by either are no-claim wolves?

[rugged panther]

Wdym

[regal nova]

Then either don't let that happen or d9n't give them a reason to check u

Simple

Idg how it's THAT hard

For qg players

[rugged panther]

Nah aura better than det any game

[regal nova]

To just learn how to play

Nah

[rugged panther]

Cant convince otherwise

[regal nova]

Worse

[rugged panther]

Must be a troll account

[regal nova]

Ok keep your cursed + fool + bandit games to quick game

[regal nova]

You're the pink name & I've gotten t500 in ranked but ok???

😂😂😂

[rugged panther]

Pink is better

Anyw, aura better

Det is weaker

[regal nova]

It means you have less time here

And thus are more likely to be a troll acc

And you use a clown emoji, becayse you have no rebuttal

[rugged panther]

Its a waste of time talking to somebody who doesnt listen 💀

[regal nova]

Its a waste of time talking to somebody who doesnt listen 💀

[rugged panther]

Don’t let somebody check u during the night

💀

Imagine using that in ur arguement

Cant reason with that ig

U win 🤷🏽‍♂️

[regal nova]

Idk if you know how to read but

D9n't give them a reason to check u

[rugged panther]

Keep in mind u said “or”

Thats two points

Not one

[regal nova]

Ok?

Don't let aura be provrn or don't give a reason to be checked

[rugged panther]

Anyways, u can stay in this chat tryna argue but i got a delicious burrito in front of me

[regal nova]

What's your coynterpoint?

[rugged panther]

Adios and farewell friend 👋🏽

[rugged panther]

If u read you would know

[regal nova]

Ok

Have fun in quick game with your lv <50 acc

[rugged panther]

If you say so 🤣

[regal nova]

🤙🏽

[vocal imp]

Bruh

[versed shoal]

how about instead of faster conversion and making gunner/vigi weaker in the process, let's fix both problems of roles being useless and some roles being nerfed by:

Making the conjuror decide when to turn back

Instead of automatic

"At any time, you can choose to revert back to conjuror after the current phase ends"

Solves both problems of conversion feeling slow and some roles (like bh/mm/trapper) being useless at the same time

[versed shoal]

so now Illu is just better corr?

[rugged panther]

Where did they discuss the conj buff?

[vocal imp]

It never was discussed

But there's signs

1. A ss showing the dead chat of conjuror
2. At night every time dead ppl send a message as conjuror you can hear the chat sound effect
3. During the day you will have the possibility to convert into another role every day (visual)

[vocal imp]

Yes if the illu kills are included
No if the illu kills aren't included

Tho id say after this buff either
> (illu kills included)
Or
>= (illu kills not included)

[rugged panther]

I think it would be illu kills, like corr

If that was the change

[rugged panther]

I don’t play with volume 👀

[rugged panther]

I think itd be cool and unique if conj could only talk to the person they stole the role from, until they revert

(At night)

Or maybe even during the day 👀

[vocal imp]

Yeah ig

[vocal imp]

that will outshine corr tho

[rugged panther]

What about canni and sk

[vocal imp]

Thats an issue

Sk needs a buff

[rugged panther]

Its not like we havent had similar situations

Or bh and trapper

Cursed and gr

[vocal imp]

Trapper needs time to setup more traps so ig it's not that bad of a situation

Cursed and gr aren't comparable

[rugged panther]

Yeah ig, but i was talking in terms of being better or outshining

Like red lady and ghost lady

[vocal imp]

Again thats another issue

[rugged panther]

Witch and astro

Baker and mayor

Witch and forger

[vocal imp]

Ok I get it 🥲

Idm illu outshining corr

Time for the new era

[rugged panther]

Yus

Adv role supremacy

[vocal imp]

/

[rugged panther]

Nahhhhh u mean /

[vocal imp]

Jww is not the new era 💀

[rugged panther]

😂😂😂 old is gold

[vocal imp]

🤨

Anyways

[rugged panther]

Should I make seer app gold 👀

[woven surge]

yes

[rugged panther]

Wrong, it should be sorc

Supreme sorc

[woven surge]

wrong cause seer app is best

[regal cobalt]

Haii 💖 what's it's Easter egg? I forgot 😭💖

Thanks in advance !

Ahh nvm ik which one but how to get it thoo 🥺

Ah nvm i found that out too 😂💖

[steady quiver]

Guys, very important announcement, tomorrow you will get the new fool icon from the valentines day callendar

[unborn nimbus]

You forgot in and games and after ww uses kww convert if they attack , now you have negative amount of info.

Also, always will have -1 info compared to in bet senario

[opaque mulch]

[tranquil comet]

nah gambler needs a nerf, u said it yourself it is op

[regal cobalt]

AAAAAAAAAA

[regal cobalt]

DOTTTIEEE 😭 use it for me pleaaase 💖

Fool one too once again AAAA

[opaque mulch]

yes, im a for you

[regal cobalt]

YAYYYY thank you 😂 I am toooo

We need the val fool icon here on disc 😭

Omg why is there unicorn seer

[opaque mulch]

i suspect it's @marble remnant's emoji?

[regal cobalt]

Oh?

[opaque mulch]

well, they're a unicron, and that's a unicorn so

[regal cobalt]

Gotchyaa

[tropic blade]

maje appropriated the "unicron seer"

rather than it being created for them

[regal cobalt]

Ohhh ty!

[fresh wren]

You are uwu fool ?

[regal cobalt]

For me yes

[opaque mulch]

uwu

[regal cobalt]

Booooo!

[steady quiver]

My reaction knowing tomorrow is the 9th of Febuary

[regal cobalt]

I like ur name

[regal cobalt]

AHAHAHA

[fresh wren]

[fresh wren]

[opaque mulch]

hype

[steady quiver]

Not only fool icon arrival but also my best friend's bday

[fresh wren]

I am literlly so happy to people who will get the icons

[fresh wren]

Happy Birthday to them

[steady quiver]

Don't say happy birthday to a person 1 day before they have bday

That will cause bad luck to them

Also the new emotes are in the shop, at least parts of them

[fresh wren]

Wow i didnt know

Im sorry

[tropic blade]

what about two days before it

[steady quiver]

Doesn't have a negative effect 💅

[young fable]

what

[lusty finch]

I can see too
Cool roles

[near copper]

I wanna see meo calender item

What should i do

[fast oar]

#item-previews

[near copper]

Thank u

[marble remnant]

yup, it existed before me, idk is story either

[thorny tree]

I neither know the whole story, I just know it was Ioannis' emote (first gm) -> Can look it up if anyone's interested <.<

[regal nova]

Yass pls

[rugged panther]

Anything is op in my hands, i didnt say the role op

I can make cursed op in my hands

[plush hollow]

Could be interesting 👀

[bronze mountain]

you have to be a troll

[dusky perch]

How comes gambler is op

[rugged panther]

And you have to be an ogre?

[tranquil comet]

is OP because it can see through someones exact team without any consequences at all.

for u have a problem called unknown roles and some players who appear good aren’t good

even though it can’t check N1 as it compares with dead we ignore for now since it will be relocated to as it should be

so really its just comparing it to well one can check even though somebody died and the other can’t. something being countered by is an irrelevant counterargument too since will just waste village checks early so that the actual counters aka etc can deal with at least one of the unknown solo roles then u just spam ww check and win or find the other solo role with the solo check

if you gave a drawback to guessing incorrectly or make it not guess the same team multiple times in a row and many more I can come up with if u gave me free time then its possible for to have a unique identity of being a risky team checker advanced aura and not just a team checker middle finger for bad roles

and finally I want to add that putting as the advanced role of will make the current more of a problem than it already is. multiple and faking it is also a weakness that it shares with so the best thing to do is to give it some drawbacks to keep it in line with

this is from a serious standpoint btw, although since we have a lot of unique informers anyway I don’t mind giving a second advanced cuz is boring and sucks while is at least fun to play, having risks will make psychologically more satisfying with some changes

[tropic blade]

felneus promoting gambling

i believe morti is stronger than det

[tranquil comet]

sometimes, strength isn’t always the problem. is just a role that plays itself, click a button and it automatically checks the right person for you

not that I’m completely against these roles, sometimes I just want to be lazy and have a role complete the challenges for me but u get the point

[rugged panther]

Me too

[tropic blade]

that's why I use it

I like mindlessly winning

[bronze mountain]

facts

[torpid sparrow]

Thats why i dont have advenced role for informers 🌚

Except , you get to choose between different interaction him

(I also have but it was a veteran card, so it doesnt count)

[sharp karma]

Tbh, I prefer analyst over seer, even though seer is stronger, analyst is more fun and flexible

And since I play mostly for fun, I play analyst

[agile basin]

Aura checking is funnier for everyone on setups

It encourage deduction, that's what the game is for

[sharp karma]

exactly

And seer is just really boring

I don't like seer and gambler for the fact that they can prove anyone evil or good immediately

while roles like aura and analyst require more advanced thingd

[rugged panther]

Aura can too, your telling me a person with evil aura in game with no shaman isnt telling you they are evil?

[bold berry]

aura has unk

which in a lot of cases can not be proven evil or good immediately

[rugged panther]

Gambler cant tell fool and sk apart

[bold berry]

aura can't tell fool and sk and vigi and med and bh etc apart

that leaves a lot more room for guessing

[rugged panther]

Not with vigi

Or med w rev

[bold berry]

in a lot of cases

meaning there are exceptions

such as vigi med gunner etc

[rugged panther]

U used this as your counter point

[bold berry]

let me rephrase

[rugged panther]

I was responding

[bold berry]

aura can't tell fool and sk apart from unprovable good unks

[sharp karma]

That's why I like aura and analyst, since they give evils more of a chance to win, and make alpha werewolf actually useful

[bronze mountain]

i'd argue is the most consistent information giver, as their evils are obviously evils in every case

[tropic blade]

Seer:

[tranquil comet]

out of the advances

[tropic blade]

seer:

[steady quiver]

Forger Jailer:

[regal nova]

Not rlly

Check quality varries heavily

[opaque mulch]

Easter bunny:

[jolly pilot]

Any new info in the past few days?

[unborn nimbus]

if you go 1 person check every time, (in which case there will be -2 information if it is or setup and your first info was and third night they attack ) and its not optimal to check 1 player at a time.

[jolly pilot]

I'd scroll, but it's laggy af

[woven surge]

#speculations message

[fluid nebula]

@graceful iris is a reward from the valentines calendar

[graceful iris]

Okok thx

[jolly pilot]

SW: Yeah, buff is needed. Conj: Buff kind of feels too op, but might work. NWM: Understandable. Not neccessary, but understandable. Illu: Definitely needed. Voodoo: Also needed, Voodoo is just annoying to play against. Flag: Flagger doesn't really need a nerf IMO. GL: Also doesn't need a nerf IMO, but I'm interested to see how they would do it. Astro: Considering how they recently made it so only wolves are blocked by astro, I don't think it needs a nerf anymore. Sheriff base role: It should happen. Evil Det: Definitely needs it, fits better with SK. Witch: Witch shouldn't be RSV. The fact peopel think that disturbs me

[pallid rune]

bruh moment