Hayato

[lime trail]

When I go full burst. I’ll use the following skills:
V3 summons
V1 + v4 to cancel animation
Shinsoku (hold) with v2 (phantom blade) at the same time time (tapping like hell)
After that my preset with rai blade, falcon and v4

[ivory kiln]

I’ll try it your way today and see how it works out.

I’m assuming you are full necro @lime trail ?

I’ll be stuck at this point for a few more months. Waiting on prices to continue to come down before I invest.

[lime trail]

Almost yes. 2x chaos, others necro lvl 40

[glass matrix]

its ok got 18m easily done

just upgrade the glove

to inherit

[ivory kiln]

My necro is also set to exp

[glass matrix]

or necro

oh lul

[ivory kiln]

No point in being set to CD if I’m not geared for bossing and I just get carried in everything. I stay @300% exp 22/7

[glass matrix]

yeah if u got someone to carry u

no point

i would do the same if i got the budget

but then i wouldnt put necro on exp

i would just get cheap exp pensalir set a30 slap it on first

then necro for bossing

everyday opening some nodes still no sight of 2nd perfect trio

[lime trail]

I got 2 perfect trios and 2 for mobbing 😬… waiting for nexon to implement the node switch like skills/equips

[ivory kiln]

I’ve got 2 perfect for bossing. No perfect for training

[ivory kiln]

I’m currently f2p. All my mesos come from lotus. I run 3 characters a week.

And all my mesos go into nodes and emblem fodders. All my emblems are currently lv3 minus my katana @lv4. So I’m missing a good bit of CD%

[glass matrix]

👍

i run 3 arks, 1 lotus

making the 2nd lotus team now

[carmine arch]

Hey guys, trying to survive in sf180 on hayato with pretty low funding. What’s yalls skill wheel looking like?

I’m lvl 176 rn

[glass matrix]

read backlogs

[rich oak]

Doing this at 180

Idk what gear you’re using but you probably have to get somewhere above 65k hp because hayato likes to walk through mobs during AB so you will take the touch damage

[glass matrix]

personally i tested, this preset reduces my kill counts by almost 2000

not recommended

[carmine arch]

I have all maxed uniques at sf 18
And top and bot

Mythic wep

[void onyx]

ooo ok ty

they did ask for feedback so maybe could give any if you want

[glass matrix]

its mostly item issue not the ab wheel

theres only so much the skills can do

[void onyx]

ooo, then do you think if maybe other people tested it could be different results?

[glass matrix]

it depends on their legion and accesories

if new char is created on their main account with high legion then base stats default higher

[void onyx]

that's fair

[glass matrix]

so it makes sense that they have more resources and more things to transfer over

meanwhile i tested on 2 accounts

1 hayato on main acct with 4.5k legion and 1 hayato with < 1k legion

the important factor is the pink bean hp face accessory

[void onyx]

ooo

[rich coral]

yea this one is very true

[limber steppe]

I tried it on mobile and phantom blade did not seem to cast at all while shinsoku was running. Did it work for you on mobile?

[lime trail]

Yes it does. Need 2 hands tho 😂 so you can’t dodge attacks, basically not made for mobile

[graceful night]

is it even possible to hit lv 200 before event ends abing at sf147?

or is ra top bot at sf168 the only way

[glass matrix]

No

[limber steppe]

Great I will try it again later during expedition. 🙏 thanks!

[glass matrix]

2nd hayato almost done...

the exp pot op

consumed and 50+% instantly

[graceful night]

wow which sf map u training at

[glass matrix]

184 daily

but sometimes my other char need to ab

so i rotate abit here n there

my hayato is just leeching from my other char

i have 4 x 200+ and 1 bishop hs plvling my 2nd hayato

so i dont need to spend more resources

[rich oak]

Probably need 1-2 hp legendaries. Or you could try using hp% soul

[vestal onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWH2CGeQD88

[glass matrix]

already saw

no big deal

[vestal onyx]

this guy is insane

[glass matrix]

he just rich

thats all

he has hero full abso 60

hoyoung abso 60

and then now almost full chaos 60

on hayato

china money washing machine

his not supposed to play on a1s based on his region

[vestal onyx]

he got all character with full 60abso?

[glass matrix]

so far 3 i think

[vestal onyx]

noted

[glass matrix]

if he wore full necro instead of abso/chaos i would be more impress for the damien run

but sadly he let me saw nothing but money talks

[glad flax]

You don’t need to do this. You can follow my plan. Right now I’m 194 and I have ONLY ab in sf the first 24hrs of the class drop.

And it was 147

Basically ab in 147 until lv170. From that point forward, full dailies + eos is enough. Of course you need to be smart about when to do dailies/monster parks etc. taking full advantage of the lvl based exp dailies.

I should be able to hit 200 before mega burning is out. And I have only missed two ht on my other chars during this process.

[limber steppe]

Still could not do it to trigger phantom blade while shinsoku is running. Is there some trick to it? Or do you just press and hold shinsoku with one hand/finger and spam phantom blade button on the other?

Here is my bossing setup for reference.

[lime trail]

Hold shinsoku and spam on the other, yes

[vestal onyx]

its Maple nowadays

nobody fault but sad af 😦

[little sleet]

Lv211 out damage 240++

[little sleet]

Has been and always will be

But gotta say the DMG is still impressive, player control and execution still plays a big part

[vestal onyx]

Thats also true

[ivory kiln]

Just sounds like someone who doesn’t have any

This game has never been tailored to the f2p. Just the whales. Hints the $200/30% packages 🤪

[glass matrix]

i dont think the amount is justifable because i can fund my other games lol

if 1 eq cost like 5k 6k

bro i can max how many char in other gacha games??

i dont play only 1 game so the budget has to be split

[glass matrix]

the packages were never a thing

its only for people who have nothing else to purchase already then they buy those during star frag events

otherwise on any other months not much people would buy that

packages were mostly bought due to incentives bonus

otherwise might as well just buy lv60 abso

[glass matrix]

right now im farming at af90 worm map for nodes

was told this the best place til 215

since mtower no longer gives enough spawn

[mellow mantle]

Anyone able to help with the Presets?
Don't really understand how this works? ( yes I'm noob )

Thanks in advance

[merry totem]

Oh dam didn’t know that, Have you checked it yourself or?
I though M tower even after the nerf still better than other maps till 215

[lime trail]

Thought the same thing

[glass matrix]

based on my friends that farmed in AF maps after mtower was nerfed most of them went back to worm map

i tested 10mins per map on af90s

and af120

based on map size and the platform placements

the worm map is better overall

i put 5 char in the same party worm map got nodes pretty fast

per 10mins kill count worm map is the highest

[merry totem]

Ohh great, Thanks for letting us know 🙌🏻

[rich oak]

Yea so many whales just swipe. 20-30k is nothing 😂

[ivory kiln]

I’m not in that tax bracket 😂

[lime trail]

And exp?

[runic sentinel]

Can Hayato survive SF144 in unique?

[glass matrix]

exp dont matter alot because highest kill count yield best exp per hour

and im not looking for most exp only spot

if u wan exp -> sf194

if u wan exp n node -> af90 worm map

once u hit 215 af170

af120 for 210 if no af90 party

af120 is suitable for 3-5 ppl kind

[graceful night]

need mythic weapon but uniq max lv armors worked for me

[glass matrix]

5men party in af90 arma's hide out - 2hr HT with auto rune pet and decent HS node

once my hayato reach 205, i'll record the mtower one

node wise i think is pretty rng

evan - 0 node
hoyoung - 3 nodes
hayato - 1 node
db - 1 node
adele - 1 node

[glad flax]

Quick update on my Hayato road to 200. It’s now 196 48%. Still 20 days left of mega burning. So yes to the question can you mega burn new class to 200 without gearing the char beyond 147 sf and not ab in sf beyond the first 24hrs of class drop. (It’s actually important to focus on getting to 170 asap, hit it before 24hrs is up will set you up well to hitting the cheap 200 legion alt goal)

Generally speaking, I spend roughly 1.75hrs a day on Hayato. You don’t need more time investment than that

1hr eos and rest running dailies. Now if you can hit the next lvl up with say an extra eos or some exp pot. It’s usually worth it to do so. Earlier lvl up maximize xp gains from xp dailies. This advice is true for all new class drops.

[glass matrix]

Sorry wall of text

pls summarize how many hours u ab

thats all ppl need to know

[graceful night]

besides eos, what other dailise do you do

[glad flax]

I ab maybe 18hrs during the first 24hr window. In sf 147. Just to hit lv 170. After that you don’t need to ab in sf/af

[glass matrix]

So after 170 what do u do

eos + dailies?

no more ab ?

[glad flax]

All 6 daily missions plus daily hunts. Do the story quest starting around 165ish whenever you lvl up.

[tribal geyser]

Pora hayato los damage compared to other classes

[glad flax]

During the journey you will do and then abandon certain things. For example evolution is good until 140, tangyoon is good until 185, netts only when it was part of daily missions etc

My entire reference point was how to get to lv200 cheaply (meso to gear) and with minimum “time” spent.

Save the monster park tickets for when you hit 180. But I think the first week (class drop on Wednesday), I used all 5 on the 170 dungeon because I can’t hit 180. And always do monster park on Monday before anything else. Who knows you might lvl up thus get more on the other lvl based xp dailies.

Always do fixed xp stuff at your first opportunity

[tribal geyser]

Hayato or hero ?

[glass matrix]

i think regardless of lvl tangyoon gives exp food so continue to do anyway

[glad flax]

The xp it gives is capped at 180. Do wear the quest gear. It is good. Just less effective once you move into 190s. Use storm growth pot at exactly 190 etc. buy legion xp pot every week but save them to use when you are trying to go from 194 to 196 or after you hit 196

[glass matrix]

Okay next question is what will be the cost in mesos and time in total require to hit 200

[glad flax]

I bought unique 17sf/18sf gear from ts. Made my own xp mythic weapon at 15-16 sf I think. It was 149sf once geared up. Later on I got it to 160sf with sf hypers and free scrolls that I improved the sf on. I don’t recall what I paid overall. But sf17/18 unique gear is <200m.

[rich coral]

what gives u the most xp from dailies tho

im still surprised honestly

[glad flax]

I have used up all the free extra eos tickets so far. And I ab a total of maybe 18hrs during the first 24hrs. Since then I had already said I spend upto 2hrs a day on Hayato. You can add those up (I usually don’t do much on Sunday)

[glass matrix]

aye i got a rough idea

well i got 2 hayato 200s now 😄

[rich coral]

ur 6 daily is

• daily
• elite
• dimension invasion
• cooking
• monster park
• eos?

[glad flax]

It’s lvl dependent. It is the daily missions for your lvl plus the daily hunts (using mini dungeon, roughly 9-10mins a day) daily quest since 140 etc story quest when you lvl up. Monster park on Mondays. Tangyoon for xp buff (for use in eos). Eos store xp buff saved for 196+ eos.

Do pvp and mu lung so you can use xp medal and necklace. Go with just unique xp necklace until the week you are 188+. Then you go both xp necklace and during this time you are using up all the extra eos tickets.

[rich coral]

o wtf the mini dungeon for daily hunts

thank you sir

[glad flax]

My issue is that I have 3 230 that I train on the same acct. so for me my goal is about minimizing the time investment in the new class but still take advantage of the mega burning to hit lv200 before event is over.

[rich coral]

yeah with ur strat i realised that i could probably hit 200 on a new char with burning on a fresh acc

that's if i started out during the burning event

lol

[glad flax]

Basically I have only missed two ht in total on my high lvl farmers and now pretty sure I will get to 200 on a leisurely pace from now on (no extra eos or anything beyond the six daily missions + hunts). At the end of it all, I will probably hit 200 with a week+ to spare

[glass matrix]

so u dont have fixed parties for your 230s?

[glad flax]

I just got there. I have a preset that I rotate my chars in. But before I was pubbing to get to 230 since my preset were ahead of me. I do split time among three vs most ppl have a main etc.

I don’t recommend going my route though. It’s more efferent farming to have a main and buy ab tickets.

[glass matrix]

oh i did it another way

i just slap enough stuff to 144 -> 168 -> 180 -> 184

slowly progress

and im 200 now

i still burn my ab on my main

but i use 6 accts to do up these 2 x 200s

[glad flax]

I’m single acct. so party is more of a hit or miss until you find a good preset.

[glass matrix]

yeah i know

thats why i made 5 more

to cover those issues

[glad flax]

My problem right now is that beyond my 230s, I also spending time pushing legion alts. My goal is to have all 200 legion alts. So that’s a long journey still.

[glass matrix]

same need 200s legion

thats why i make use of all the mega burnings

just for my main acct

the rest of the accts either 200 or 120 i stopped

because its just for hyper linked skills

the legion not really needed since they aren't going to damien

at best lotus

dont need legion for lotus

haha

[glad flax]

Supposedly legion board will be upgraded to have buff duration increase, ignore target def and other goodies. And that eventually (kmsm) 39 board alts plus the pc link alt.

So I need 38 200s plus my main.

[glass matrix]

yeah for main accts yes

gotta do that

im slowly doing that on the main acct

but my goal is to have at least 5 lotus solo clearable char

on individual accts

if not at least 3 teams of lotus

right now im running 3 arks

with 2nd acct/char hopefully able to lotus soon depending on nodes

[glad flax]

You are the second coming of msm_sandy

[glass matrix]

na i know more ppl that has more than 3-4damien teams haha

[lime trail]

300 mins

[glass matrix]

too little

[lime trail]

Yeah seems like work is better

[glass matrix]

worm map ftw

[lime trail]

But we have more parties at mtower 😅

[glass matrix]

well hahah u have to talk to ppl to party up then

[lime trail]

They all leave at midnight at work map

[glass matrix]

for my case i am 1 men team already

im only left with bishop not lvl200

about time i should up one

ok brb gonna go bed

cya haha

[fierce valley]

How much tri node lvl do i need to solo lotus with hayato sir

[lime trail]

Max 😂

[rich oak]

Minimum lvl 40 for ignore def lol

[glass matrix]

lets just say on your journey to find the perfect trio u will hit lv60 on the 3 skills before even u can do lotus

[exotic olive]

What hyper stats to focus?

[glass matrix]

whatever stats u wan

[exotic olive]

[glass matrix]

this is my lotus run today

on avg my lines are around 7m
highest peaked at 10 to 13m

i got 1 hit ko by lotus 2-3 times from the punch

[jagged galleon]

how does bossing feel like with hayato? it feel like its insane mobility in lotus is a bad thing

[outer ridge]

Hi what do we add for hayato hyper passive?

I added all 3 for shinsoko and 1 for the strike persist. Not sure about the last

[glass matrix]

just dont be mobile

only use the teleport dash

after phase1 over, u can dash any time u like

[glass matrix]

So base on what I see here in boss runs ark and above

V skills + falcon used then shinsoku

shinsoku makes up the most dmg lol

it puts all the v skills to shame

this is the db situation again

where 170 hyper > the v burst lol

[jagged galleon]

the fact that shinsoku is a hold down skill is such a disappointment

[glass matrix]

well i was hoping for it to be like db's 170

have to wait for the remaster in future

because it is such a turn off that every possible skills from the boss can cancel it

unlike db's

but considerating its a 4th job skill with so much hitcount

it can't be helped

i wish falcon's honor was 4th job skill while shinsoku should be 170 hyper

so that shinsoku can have the immune to cc while using it

[ivory kiln]

It used to be like Bandits Savage blow back in the day. Which is what made me main Hayato to begin with. It was basically a warrior based shadower. Then they revamped the skill and made it like an archer. Right now the biggest disappointment is the fact it has a cool down. Since we are warriors with low EVD, it never fails… the second I start to use it I get hit and knocked back. And now it’s on a 1min cool down for the whole 3 lines I got to throw.

[jagged galleon]

oh yeah, i was watching moonbeam vid on it. it acts like a mini burst skill.

in moonbeam's video, he recommended using rai blade flash as the bossing skill instead. which was why i was puzzle like everyone was using shinsoku instead of rai blade flash

[glass matrix]

i use bladeflash shinsoku as main dps aside from v skills

so i usually try to use shinsoku asap

i throw all the other skills on cd

[jagged galleon]

either way, i'm looking forward to doing some basic bosses (barring zak, HT, pb) with hayato

[glass matrix]

v1 i keep as iframe

i uploaded a hard vel hayato vid haha

tomorrow will be out

just clearing with trash eq

[jagged galleon]

that's nice! pin it up and we all get to view it 🙂

[glass matrix]

👍

its processing the audio so i put it tomorrow to go live

other than my necro katana i just using all the normal stuff

farming for ancient armor crystal stone to inherit

so i can change glove and belt

probably another week of farming i'll be able to attempt some

[jagged galleon]

ngl, i got ptsd from SF-ing

[glass matrix]

HAHAHAH

thats why i farm in AF90

no ptsd with the stupid SF-ing

[jagged galleon]

see 17 sf gear is a shocker considering how expensive it gets and low passing rates

[glass matrix]

i failed so many sf18 scrolls

no luck

[jagged galleon]

dont you need SF to grind out to 200 for arcane river content?

[glass matrix]

no

thats AF

once u hit 200 SF dont matter unless u cont to grind at 184/194 maps

i grind at 184 til my 2nd hayato also 200

then whole team migrated to AF90 and AF170

[jagged galleon]

damn, that's pretty nice

[glass matrix]

i care about mesos than level now haha

[jagged galleon]

TRUE

EVERYTHING IS A MESO SINK

[glass matrix]

im about to 205 soon

but fk the lvl

just farm node n mesos

[jagged galleon]

literally feel like reboot lol

[glass matrix]

becos i dont need lvl to clear lotus

HAHAHAH

i got someone to carry me

i need about 2-3months of grinding to get some inherit/necro armors first

[jagged galleon]

i might get on the BSP bandwagon and get some carries too 🙂

[glass matrix]

i think i could just go ndamien with just full necro basics

[lost ridge]

Wow so high power when you’re lvl 206 I am struggling and at lvl 213

[ivory kiln]

I’m 209 now. But I’ll get a good bit stronger when we get lady Blair. Between max lv m-pets, and 3/3 and 5/5 m-label sets. I also need to start making a training katana so I can switch my necro back to CD%.

[rich coral]

does anyone know when was the last time lady blair came out

[ivory kiln]

Couple months ago

[rich coral]

aw man i missed that

rip

its gonna be a while before the next one lol

[ivory kiln]

More than likely October.

[glass matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqkHVL12Uk

[rich coral]

oh what thats good

[rich coral]

4:35 bro went to collect exp halfway 💀

[glass matrix]

hahahaha

i also used sudden strike a few times for the lawls

[rich coral]

does anyone have a good skill wheel for mobbing post 200 w/ good mobility

[glass matrix]

that is quite subjective

need to know what map

[rich coral]

af90!!

[limber steppe]

I use one preset of whirlwind cut > dakussen > hitokiri strike > sweep sword. Because of the layout of af90 sometimes sweeping sword in ab travels forward and lands on a platform and don’t do the return trip giving a long horizontal mobility.

[rich coral]

i''ll try that thanks!!

[fringe sable]

Whats the best preset and skill wheel pre 200?

[ivory kiln]

This questions gets asked every other day. Scroll through the thread

[rich coral]

for survivability i followed someone's message here with the whirlwind and no hitokiri strike, not the moonbeam one

[glad flax]

200 update. Just hit it today. I was only 6% away after my daily routine so I bought 1hr of eos just to finish it today.

[rich coral]

congrats!!

144sf strat works!

[glad flax]

Yea. Was testing this strat out. Last time I didn’t start as early and ended up only 196 when mega burning ended. So I optimized some steps and tried it out. The fact it works is good news for everyone going forward. Since this means every class drop is a cheap 200 alt if planned out properly.

[oak marten]

Mind sharing the Strat? What did you do specifically

[plain falcon]

What is the strat?

[rich coral]

he explained it a few days ago, basically for the first day make sure u have sf 144 and ab until u hit 170

from there on just do your daily hunts, daily dungeons, mpark, those that give u a huge percentile of exp and your 1 hour of eos

thats about it pretty much LOL

[plain falcon]

Oh ok

Im currently 182

Ok i got it so basically just mix max

Daily hunts is really underrated

[glad flax]

What redcube said. Or you can scroll up a few days to see where I explained it in more detail. The idea is simply minimize the time investment while still hitting 200 during the mega burning event. I have shown that it is very doable if you can commit about 2hrs a day to the alt. And be prepared to ab about 17hrs (so you miss one evening and one morning ht on your main) during the first 24hrs of the class drop so you can hit 170.

[plain falcon]

Okay i will check it out later

[graceful night]

how do you have so much ab tho

[glad flax]

If you are referring to the roughly 17hrs of ab during first 24hrs. Start saving shared mail box ab tickets a week before the class drop. New class growth support will also give you more ab as you lvl up. Just know that I did not have to buy any ab.

[vital snow]

So you hit 200 off SF144?

[plain falcon]

I think he did

Im farming cold time sf147 and im already 184

But i never mind max like him

If i were to i would probably be 190+

[vital snow]

Reaching 200 is a joke now, then

[plain falcon]

How is it a joke?

Nothing changed

Except they reduce the exp curve

Thats all the methods are still same

[vital snow]

Used to be way harder

[plain falcon]

If you specifically talking about exp curve then yes

But method are still the same

Sf180 with ra top bottom for non burning for guaranteed level 200 in 3-4 months

If its burning then sf168 should be enough

I’m see some people take more than a year to get to level 200

Idk what they do

I have only been playing for less than 1 year and i already have 2 level200

Currently i rr to dark knight last month now level195

Coming to 3 200 already

[vital snow]

I think SF180 should get you there in like a month

[plain falcon]

Depends

1.5 months i would say

[rich oak]

A month is probably generous

Maybe if you only do hot time lol

I know a new DW player that’s already 195 and he started 3 days before hayato released

[plain falcon]

Holy

HAHAHA

[rich oak]

Was also doing 123 for like a week too before he knew about 144/168 and 180

[plain falcon]

180 is the goat

[rich oak]

So lots of “wasted” AB

[plain falcon]

Ra top bottom

Goat

[rich oak]

He doesn’t have ra top Btm

[plain falcon]

Utgard wep and pensalir set

[rich oak]

Probably could 194

[plain falcon]

Goat

Flame scale exp

The f2p dream

[rich oak]

I asked him to play hayato for burning but he doesn’t want to 🧠

[plain falcon]

Wait u can only burn hayato right?

[rich oak]

Yea

[plain falcon]

Ah okok

[ivory kiln]

Good lord. Y’all act like this game is hard. 😂

[rich oak]

It’s hard if you have 0 resources though

[vital snow]

Yup

[plain falcon]

Hahaha

[vital snow]

90% of the enjoyment I get from this game is from grinding to 200

[ivory kiln]

Every single event is tailored to the 0 resource player. That’s why everyone that’s been playing this game for years complains about the events.

[plain falcon]

I can literally almost full mythic with 3 major events

Or any events that gives rank up stones

Its op af

[rich oak]

Yea, but the bottleneck for those when stuff is far below any viable level for doing mid game stuff

There’s a reason they still think 100% exalt 1-5 is a great reward 🤣

[plain falcon]

Im choosing the unique scroll haha

[rich oak]

Same, I failed 2 event and 6 TS bought unique pot 50%

[plain falcon]

Need my legendary potential

[rich oak]

Now imagine a f2p farming with sf 120s failing those 50% as exalts

[ivory kiln]

If you only have sf120. Then you aren’t trying.

This game is AltStory, not MapleStory.

It is not hard to make max lv unique and legendary gear to sell in TS.

It’s not hard to get to 17-17Sf.

[rich oak]

How you doing that from the start ?

[ivory kiln]

Good lord. Your problem solving abilities are impeccable. I’m sure you are going to get far IRL if you can’t figure it out in a 2D mushroom game. You can literally make a lv100 character in 2 hours on this game. Make multiple characters. Run ED everyday on multiple characters. RUN YOUR DAILIES 🤦🏻‍♂️

[rich oak]

What does level has to do with SF ?

[ivory kiln]

Most people that are making their own resources are running 15+ alts a day. I personally run 26 alts a day…. It’s time consuming. It’s boring. It’s why a lot of people quit the game. But if you want to play, and make your own resources, it’s what you had to do…

[rich oak]

That’s after you have built up

So again, how are you going to do that for a new account

[ivory kiln]

Good lord 🤦🏻‍♂️

You don’t know how to read

[rich oak]

You’re basically agreeing with us lmao

You have to spend a dumb amount of time to build up your account to even farm enough to build a decent char

Hence why 0 resources it’s hard

[ivory kiln]

Me saying it’s time consuming and boring is not agreeing with you that the game is hard

[rich oak]

Youre right. Its super easy to earn more than Elon Musk, I just need 100million years and some luck

That’s your argument

[ivory kiln]

Figure it out man. The games been out since 2005, and this specific version has been about for 6 years. Everyone else has figured out how to play the game. I’m sorry that you haven’t.

This game gets dumbed down every couple of months and gets easier and easier to play.

[glass matrix]

thats like every other games

every single game is just grind grind grind

i play about 400-500games so far

all girnd non-stop only

the only thing is just mentality

[ivory kiln]

Exactly. This game is no different than any of the other ones out there. This one’s just more of a money grab than most.

[glass matrix]

no this one less

if u play more china games

u will see how even more p2w cash grab they are

especially games with pvp content

like actual pvp not score atks

those make ppl spent way more

[ivory kiln]

That’s wild to think about. Because this game is expensive as hell if you actually buy their over priced packs

[glass matrix]

ppl throw in 10k 20k a month

like for example

ragnarok online mobile

theres currently 3 versions of it

all 3 p2w

[ivory kiln]

I need to start an onlyfans to be spending that type of cash lololol

[glass matrix]

i see my whales throw 6k usd per month

just to upkeep status quo

non-stop spending monthly events

[graceful night]

its really just time vs money atp

[glass matrix]

its really crazy

[graceful night]

if you can afford it, you’ll prob save alot of time and effort

[rich oak]

I’m probably way ahead of you though, it’s fine 😂 you’re agreeing with me by thinking you’re making a point lmao

[ivory kiln]

Whatever you say dude. Keep crying about a mushroom game.

[merry totem]

@glass matrix Another great example is Diablo Immortal, To max there you need to drop like 600k usd

and the funny thing is there is so many whales they fight against each other in the PVP so they don't even feel superior sometimes

xD

Some Whales even transfer to different world because some worlds have to many Whales. What's the point of spending so much money if you can't 1 hitting people in the area

lmao

[rich oak]

Thanks, I will. Sorry someone put you in your place.

[ivory kiln]

lol nobody put me in my place. And definitely not someone that can’t figure out a 2D side scroller. Good luck 😂

[rich oak]

But you’re here. Exactly as I want

And you agreed with me with your arguments

lol

Congrats for figuring out the game though

[ivory kiln]

Nowhere did I agree with you. You repeating that doesn’t make it anymore true.

[rich oak]

So you’re not saying this game needs a lot of resources ?

What are you grinding for ?

[ivory kiln]

I said this game requires a lot of time and repetition doing boring stuff to make the resources you claim you can’t make on your own.

I’m done arguing with someone that can’t read.

[rich oak]

You repeating that you don’t doesn’t make it less true

[rich oak]

lol maybe you need to go back and learn to read

No one said getting the resources can’t be done

That’s exactly the opposite of what’s being said

[rich oak]

I mean you were never going to go far from the start when you thought you were stating something unknown

[merry totem]

Whoopla stop shooting him, He's already dead brov.

[rich oak]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ssj-trasformazione-ssj3-gif-19246102

[glass matrix]

ya i know thats so dumb...

i heard about the Leg jewel thingy

so crazy u need 6 digits to max

[glass matrix]

feels so bad

[glass matrix]

u never know how far is the unknown

where limits is = to inf

[plain falcon]

bruh what happen to this conversation lmao

bro i only asked about the sf144 hayato min max method 💀

[glad flax]

lol. Paint me surprised at the turn of this conversation. Anyway I was just trying to show it was possible to hit 200 during the mega burning without heavy meso and more importantly time investment.

So 17hrs + 2hrs a day for roughly 3 weeks is enough if you plan properly and prepared.

And no need to gear beyond 144/147 sf. I ended up hitting 160sf just for potential CDD alt

[plain falcon]

oh

yea my hayato is also sf160 now

but i started min maxing exp today after seeing u comment

yea its definitely doable

but not sure if im able to hit 200 by the end of this event

cuz since i just started today

currently 184

but i'll try

[glad flax]

Will be tough for you now. Not enough time left. That’s why the key for this method is hit 170 on Thursday by ab 17hrs after class drop. This way you can start taking advantage of all the xp dailies immediately

[plain falcon]

i see

so technically i need to buy auto battles on day 1?

[glad flax]

Since I finished it with 2 weeks left. There is some margin build in.

Ab isn’t the issue.

I only ab during the first 24hrs. Rest of time just 1 hr eos ab 10mins daily hunts. That’s 70mins a day. Less than the free 2hr charge you get.

You don’t need to if you planned ahead.

Start saving all shared mailbox ab tickets about a week before the class drop. That plus the ab ticket bonus from the growth support is enough to fund 17hrs in the first 24hrs. Remember that’s over two days. Wednesday and Thursday. So more free ab you can pick up to hit that 17hrs.

[plain falcon]

OH

YO

U SMART

okok i will keep in mind when the next class is announced

yea i remembered that box

the daily box

with AB and legendary stones

[graceful night]

btw 147 is better than 144 for exp right ?

[glad flax]

Because the previous class drop I only hit 196. So I went back and looked at the process I used and optimized the steps.

[plain falcon]

ah got it

[rich oak]

144 is better. 147 just doesn’t have pig punch combo

[plain falcon]

as a min maxer, i appreciate another min maxer

[glad flax]

Yes. Small difference. The bigger jump is at 158. If you can get a party there

[graceful night]

i can't survive there

i onyl have 1 leg chest armor

the rest all max uniq

weap is mythic tho

[glad flax]

144/147 difference is minor.

[rich oak]

The diff is minimal. Especially with reduced exp now

Throw HP soul and try

[graceful night]

hp soul!!! i didnt think of that

[rich oak]

I know a few have done max unique armors so probably skill wheel ?

[plain falcon]

should be enough

[graceful night]

what are yall max hp to survive 158 ?

[plain falcon]

oh u mean 158

mb

[graceful night]

my max hp now is 39.4k still can't

[plain falcon]

make sure to use the stun skill

[rich oak]

What level are you at

[plain falcon]

it stuns for 3 seconds

very good

[rich oak]

Could be an issue if you miss the wolves

[graceful night]

currently 194

[rich oak]

While not pig punch level their scratches are annoying

[graceful night]

trying to hit 200 using @glad flax tips

[glad flax]

I have random resources since I have 3 230 chars on the acct. so I just bought sf17/18 gear from ts. Made armor into max leg for more hp. Then I added xp soul for more boost

[rich oak]

Yea maybe it’s just HP then. But I think you’re close

[graceful night]

144 is ok i can overnight ab before

i only ab 147 cause I thought exp wise 147 shld be slightly higher xD

[rich oak]

I remember doing 158 at around 43k

[graceful night]

dangg just 4k max hp away

but feels so far T.T

[glad flax]

Remember the key is just hitting 170 by Thursday or Friday. Then after that you don’t need to worry about ab in sf. Since you get more xp/hr from doing the dailies and eos.

[rich oak]

Complete the monster exploration thing for 3k

Kaiser link too

[graceful night]

yep got that already

[graceful night]

i can't rmb if i did that haha

[plain falcon]

thursday as in the day of the character release and friday is the day after?

wait do you HT these 2 days on hayato?

[graceful night]

but i'm diligently doing the dailies since.. nos 194.. hopefully can hit 200

[glad flax]

Wednesday is class drop. I hit 170 next day doing this.

[plain falcon]

oh

okok time difference

[graceful night]

gnna prepare armor for new class next time lol

[glad flax]

I was trying to minimize the ht I miss on my farmers. So losing only 2 ht is important to me.

[plain falcon]

make sure to prepare before announcement

[plain falcon]

icic

[graceful night]

but if before announcement everythinf is just rumor lol

[plain falcon]

if u want to see upcoming class look at kmsm

[graceful night]

it'd be terrible if prep-ed from the wrong class

[plain falcon]

upcoming is Kaine and Mihile

[graceful night]

👀

[plain falcon]

don't need to prep everything one shot

[graceful night]

how do you guys know these

[plain falcon]

oh

just look at kmsm content

we are suppose to get mihile

[graceful night]

so far 100% accurate ?

[plain falcon]

but we got hayato

[plain falcon]

so far yes unless there's interuption

like hayato or Erel light

since we got a warrior class now

most likely we are not getting another warrior class next

so high likely its Kaine (archer)

[graceful night]

logically makes sense haha

[plain falcon]

its the nexon format

been knowing maple since 2006 haha

so if u want to bet on it and prepare

start with archer items

Kaine will be using a new weapon so don't bother on it

i think u can start now tbh

start before announcement because nexon is going to rigged the sf rates again

[graceful night]

lool i hate the sf enhancement event

[plain falcon]

i didn't bother with this one HAHA

learned from my mistakes

[graceful night]

its almost like i break more during the event lol

[plain falcon]

avoid enchanement events, avoid star forcing after announcement, avoid star forcing gears during character release

you should only sf new character weapons on their release

example, hayato, hoyoung

these are weapons that have not existed

so naturally in theroy, nexon would want to people to spend money to buy Emblem Katana or Necro Katana

so they won't rig new weapons sf rates

Mihile uses a 1H sword, which if u check on trade station barely anyone selling

[torpid sphinx]

Meanwhile im at sf158

[brittle heart]

You made it sound like theory is just the scientific term or copium

[little sleet]

https://youtu.be/PPfm1xBEJPQ?si=_xn3jrFRqJMonJu7

[glass matrix]

already saw

[tribal geyser]

poor weak class 😦

[glass matrix]

just top lvl

not top hayato

top hayato is the a1s guy lol

[verbal plover]

anyone know the optimal AB skill rotation if I 1 shot the map ? post lvl 200, all v skills available

farming, dont care bossing

[glass matrix]

none

[verbal plover]

The goal would be to trigger falcon's honor and instant slice as much as possible

[lusty oar]

Fire

Level 200 v matrix is like Madara lol

Susanoo kinda skill lol

https://tenor.com/view/madara-uchiha-madara-susanoo-sharingan-mangekyou-sharingan-gif-26864099

[brittle heart]

https://tenor.com/view/yoh-asakura-amidamaru-gif-21783525

More like amidamaru for me

[rich coral]

need to time the perfect cd, if not instant slice kills everything and falcon honor has nth to kill 😦

[limber steppe]

Yes that happens many times for me either instant slice then the full map hitokiri attack or falcons honor when there is no mob. Still figuring how I can reduce the chance of this occurring.

[smoky vector]

which hyperstat should i go for? FD and MD like hero?

[hollow palm]

Guys, for the Hitokiri Strike - Deadly Crits, the crit dmg buff is it only applied to the Hitokiri Strike itself? And not the 30 seconds sustaining buff it gives?

[elder carbon]

I would say it was previously hard to get 200. Now with the reduced exp curves, not so much but brand new players would still be screwed over unless they open their wallets if they wanna hit 200

Also I have to add that players need to start DAY 1 to achieve 200 in a reasonable and timely manner

[rancid blade]

hey can someone give me a cheat sheet (Screen shot) of their V matrix which is decent for AB or whatever , Fresh lvl 200 hayato here , first ever 200 so im kinda lost on the system , thanks in advance !

[rich oak]

Yea, just to the skill itself

[hollow palm]

🥲 Sad, I thought it would be applied to the buff, now I feel this hyper passive is useless, gonna have to respec it

[rich coral]

same, but i put duration for crit rate, i think u shld just leave it tho if u didnt add the target count for sudden strike

[hollow palm]

The duration for crit rate is worth it, would be better if the crit damage stacks in the buff, too bad it doesn't....
Now the crit damage one is not worth it since I only use the skill to stun and apply buff, respec my last hyper passive point to sudden strike would be better

[obtuse condor]

Guys, im returning player. Wanna ask Von Leon Soul, which type is suit for hayato. Im buying the new growth support packages

not sure which 1 to choose it, can anyone suggest on that ?

[hollow palm]

Go to #bot-commands and type !soul

[sudden hawk]

Is it possible to hit 200 before it ends if you’re already at 188 but only sf128? It’s my first character and I can’t get to sf144 I tried and broke some gear so I have to buy more to fix it later

[merry totem]

Even If you were 144 SF from day 1 you probably couldn't reach 200 by the end of the event, I'm pretty sure 180SF is the bare minimum if you completely f2p... Maybe as 168SF with the new begginer package which gives 2 extra leveling potions (which requires to buy the package) makes it achievable to 200 but that’s just assumption..

[glad flax]

I have proved this to be untrue. Only need 144sf but needs to start on day 1. And you will need to miss the ht on your main the first 24hrs. After that just min max dailies. I was able to hit 200 with 2 weeks to spare and never really ab beyond 144/147 during the first 24hrs. Scroll up to see what I did.

In terms of total hrs I spent. 17hrs ab during first 24 hrs. And then roughly 2hrs a day for 3 weeks plus 3.5 extra eos hrs. About 62.5 hrs total spent. Just need to take advantage of lvl based exp dailies. I bet even someone with 194sf ab for 65hrs will not hit 200. Gotta play smart.

I did not buy any ab or packages in case you were wondering.

[rich oak]

New account first char though, they can’t save AB tickets to do the hot time on first day that long.

[glad flax]

Given that I had a 2 week margin. I think so long they can hit 170 in the first week they can still make it.

[obtuse condor]

so 200 is impossible to beginner or return player which i have off for many years.

[glad flax]

Took me 17hrs ab in 144 to hit 170 So I would say a prerequisite would be prepared gear. I bought sf17/18 unique stuff from ts for <200m a piece.

So you probably needed 1.5B in funding to get this done with the mega burning event.

[jagged galleon]

your plan is really good (and details) and it proves that hitting to 200 to unlock more content is feasible. but it also be highlighted that comes with a hefty pricetag for F2P/new players.

[glad flax]

I was actually trying to be as cheap as possible. Clearly some lvl of funding was required. Was trying to figure the lowest amount of sf gear one can get away with and still hit 200 with the event. Higher sf will cost exponentially more meso. I imagine what I did is probably close to the cheapest way possible.

You can save some meso by making own sf gear for example vs me just buying from ts.

Also since I know I eventually would want 160sf for cdd so I bought sf18/17 mostly. But tbh if 144 is all you aiming for, if you prepare ahead with the monster park gear. (+2sf ring, necklace) and with +3 earring. I imagine you can probably hit 144 with sf15/16 gear and possibly buy a couple of sf hyper to hit the last couple. With event store discount ticket you can bring the gearing cost down further.

I was too lazy to goto that extreme. But just showing ways to cut the cost even further.

As usual you trade effort for less funding requirement.

[jagged galleon]

yeah, i was watching some youtube which cheats up more sf with monster park accessories

[copper nimbus]

hi all hayato warriors, wanna ask majority of you use sanrenzan or blade flash for farming? might had discussion on this above sorry if i missed out

[jagged galleon]

@glad flax hitting 200 on hayato, what are your thoughts on the class? is it a decent class to enjoy content in general (Ab-ing, Bossing) or is it just a CDD/CED alt?

I kinda "mained" hayato since I joined the game while the burning event is active (I'm investing my resources into hayato's gear). I'm kinda torn if it's main worthy

[glad flax]

I’m not the right person to ask that since my goal was just a 200 legion alt. But I find it to be a good mobber. Second only to Adele among warriors pre 200 at least. And seems to boss fine with high hit count skills. So overall probably a very good class. But I’m not in a position to really pass judgement.

[jagged galleon]

hmm... i think there was an discussion on bossing since shinsoku acts differently in msm. boss stun just end the duration. and the hyper skill passive don't improve our main bossing/mobbing skill (which is such a waste)

[glad flax]

The class has teleport which is pretty unique and grants the class very good movement skill. Bossing I can’t really say as I stopped after hitting 200. Expo is fine.

[jagged galleon]

i was watching some taiwanese youtube taking on lotus as hayato (in a group). hayato's innate mini dash is soo nice for lotus P1

[jagged galleon]

I've been using Sanrenzen for mobbing in AB, while using Blade flash as the main bossing skill.
There're some Youtube Vid recommending sudden strike in place of sanrenzen for mobbing, but I have not gotten into testing that yet.

[copper nimbus]

thank you !

[glad flax]

I vote sudden strike for mobbing. It’s just that and 170 for me in eos. I get a kill rate around 11.5k per hr. Which I find is pretty good.

[copper nimbus]

thank you !

[glad flax]

Maybe there is a lv 100 aoe skill with long cd that I also used. But you will need to check. Also I found the bossing stance (one that gives ba and cr) is better for mobbing.

[jagged galleon]

are you referring to Summer Rain ( the one with katana just raining down)?

[jagged galleon]

I'm kinda torn between the sanrenzen and sudden strike. the animation of sudden strike turns me off

[glad flax]

Best way to test is run an hour or eos one way and another hr with the other skill wheel. See which gives you a higher kill rate.

Or 30mins per setting. That’s how I always arrived at my mobbing wheel. Let data speak for itself.

[jagged galleon]

why eos in particular?

is it to remove uncontrolled variables (e.g. party members)?

[glad flax]

Eos is where you get higher xp/hr than sf. Hence I don’t ab in sf after I hit 170. So you optimize for eos results for best xp/hr outcome.

Also more controlled setting.

[jagged galleon]

oh, ok

i'm new here so i gotta ask how does EOS work

do you just go in and AB for an hour in EOS?

[graceful night]

which server u in ?

[merry totem]

Wow very nice! Had no clue you could reach 200 purely in SF144 in around 2 weeks. Impressive

[copper nimbus]

im at 147 reached lvl 200 2.5 weeks by doing all dungeons too. daily quest + mini dungeon + edge of space is must .. and only ab during hot time

[glad flax]

Inosys

[glad flax]

Sf144 until lv170. Then you don’t ab at in sf

And it’s 3 weeks for me. Since I did not ab in sf past lv170. It was more time effective for me to do just dailies + eos and save the ab time for my other characters

[graceful night]

wow.. so purely daily + eos from day 1 ?

zero AB at all after 170?

[merry totem]

😮 Even more crazier, Thanks for sharing

[jagged galleon]

@glad flax is hayato's hyper skill game changing?

[astral hill]

When does the hayato burning end

[glad flax]

I’m no expert in the class.

[jagged galleon]

oh, man. i tried running EOS after hitting 170. that exp was sweet

do you stack xp boosting coupon at eos? or do they even work?

[glad flax]

You always stack xp buff in eos. However you need to be judicious with it. Since each higher tier eos will offer higher base xp. So best to use xp buffs in post 190 eos if goal is 200. Of course use expiring buffs as they come. I saved all eos coins for eos dungeon xp buff after 196 for the final boost. Eos dungeon xp buff allows you to go beyond 300%. I was getting 25b+ per hr after 196. That’s why I never bothered to ab in sf after 170.

[jagged galleon]

oh damn, good to know. EOS is really xp heaven

[sleek knot]

How many times can we use Hitokiri strike in a row? I saw on YouTube it could be used more than 2 times?

[limber steppe]

We get a different version than the one shown on YouTube. Max only two times in a row once horizontal and then for the next min it will be the angle one with 8 sec cooldown.

[twin heath]

First use acts as a stun and has a cooldown of 60 seconds I believe

The second use as sxnoie mentioned is a diagonal attack which I don’t find useful at all.

[obtuse condor]

guys, any AB Wheel advise can provide ?

[hollow palm]

*120 seconds cooldown

[twin heath]

Thank you for clarifying

[vernal whale]

How long did you take to get from 170 to 200 using EOS? I just reached 186 and am wondering if I can reach 200 before the burning ends. I still have 3 level potions (2 from the growth package, 1 from summer store) and am unsure if I should use them during the burning even if I can't reach 200 or save it for the final 3 levels to 200 (assuming I can't reach there by the end of burning)

[torpid sphinx]

Is there a skill set up for eos

[glad flax]

It’s full dailies plus eos. And took me 3weeks of about 2hrs a day (including the 1hr eos). You should use lvl up pots during event as you get the 1 bonus lvl up.

[vernal whale]

Thanks

[glad flax]

I found sudden strike + 170 + lv100 aoe that had 60s cd good enough.

[jagged galleon]

any chance you found yourself just randomly dying in EOS? It shaves off precious seconds 😦

[glad flax]

I had all max leg armor. So hp was no problem.

[jagged galleon]

they dont hit that hard.. only like 1.8k touch damage.

with 30k hp, i didnt think that would be a problem

[hollow palm]

I'm surviving with full Unique armours, gotta activate Quick Draw and Shinsoku, then adjust HP pots to 90% and you'll survive

[graceful night]

same. i added a dash skill and the swirl stun skill for hopefully more mobillity and surviviability

[hollow palm]

Indeed, all those high mobility skills are very helpful, long distance skills and then end it with Falcon Honor or Summer Rain... It's so rare for having any warrior class that has this great mobility

[astral hill]

Can someone share what's the minimum gear requirement to survive sf180

Will be helpful, I don't wanna overfund my Hayato

[left plank]

could someone please share their v matrix and bossing wheel with me ?

[glass matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_WM8xumcGc

Matrix - shinsoku / falcon / bladeflash, v1 to 4, ds4, whatever u like after

[glass matrix]

Mythic wpn + mythic glove/shoe/hat + ra top / btm should do the job

your breakpoint should be about 65k hp onwards with good kill speed else u die to double collision dmg

Currently I have too many appointments on hand so i halted my video editing on hayato ab guide rip

Gonna upload multi-lotus on hayato soon and then i gotta do maplehero stories to solo damien on paladin :\ bz bz

[jagged galleon]

woah, question! do you share gear between your hayato and paladin?

[glass matrix]

You have to figure it out lol not a hard question...

[jagged galleon]

idk, wouldn't that you have to psok each sharable gear.. sound like loads of cash

I'm just looking for options when i wanna switch out of hayato

[rich coral]

i did it with mythic armor, legend glove/shoe/hat. but yea he's right in saying that u need around 65k hp. Just add hp in the individual skills for guild/hp soul for weapon/CPB mark

[smoky vector]

better spend your growth package potions ASAP (from Hayato grwoth package) because it's only able to consume until lvl 190.

[astral hill]

Ok thanks guys @glass matrix @rich coral 🫶

[glass matrix]

Always ex..

[glad flax]

Not true. You get flat 90B exp when used post 190. The exp going from 190 to 191 is exactly 90B. I would say if you have just 1 such pot, use it when you just leveled to 190. If you are already 190 xx%, I would actually wait until 191 then use it. If you have multiple of those, use all of them at once based on the above scenario

[smoky vector]

ohya i should be more specific. the pot increase 1 lvl before 190 but provides certain amount of exp after lvl 191

aaa 90B exp. quite true. means its better to use it after 190

thank you for the info!

[vernal whale]

Oof I used it alr to get to 190

[smoky vector]

me too.

[astral hill]

Just got my Hayato to sf144

Let’s see how far I can go in a week

[obtuse condor]

I just reach lv170, i have hyperstat discount. Can anyone suggest which stat can i level up first. Im looking for dmg in autobattle

[glass matrix]

U should never go for dmg

Ab is always abt buff duration, exp n pexp

[obtuse condor]

if hybrid ? Im just f2p

bossing + AB

[glass matrix]

F2p also the same

Because u got no dmg anyway

So whu bother

U wont get loots if the boss dont die within 30s for chaos vl and above

Other bosses ppl carry

Mythic wpn is enough to grind

Ab and bossing u should rely on others to kill as u wont be the main contributor

[obtuse condor]

so go for exp and pexp will be better on hyperstat

[steady geyser]

I disagree. U shld get dmg to the point where u get 1 hit the mob for efficiency then concentrate on other factor like exp and pexp

Otherwise its just not efficient

[obtuse condor]

ok, i think i still need to make decision myself. see which 1 i prefer...thanks to 100 & bonic

[hollow palm]

I also disagree, we shouldn't be just starting instilling the mindset damage is not important at all, rather should help players getting to the 2% boss contribution requirement

[obtuse condor]

thanks for advise

[astral hill]

I strongly recommend exp / pexp first
The goal now is for you to reach lv 200
It will take a while and that’s why exp / pexp is necessary

Another way to think about it:
Chances of you getting locked behind the 2% contribution barrier is higher if you don’t have 5th job skills
@obtuse condor

What the others said about efficiency and damage isn’t wrong though
But at this point in time, any increment in % stats (e.g. lvl 1-5) from hyper stats will not help much in increasing your damage per line

The earlier you reach 200
The earlier you unlock access to V matrix

Etc

[astral hill]

@glass matrix @rich coral
I’m surviving sf184 with 57k hp haha
Missing 50% of my hits too 💀
Btw is sf180 or sf184 better

Sf194 is hard for me at the moment

[rich coral]

NICEEEE

but yea i think you might not be able to survive the whole hot time

[glass matrix]

kekw go 184

[astral hill]

Pots are on 90%

HAHA

I’m using the chain skills that let me fly around the map

[astral hill]

I got a Jaihin Katana

But I can’t survive sf194

I have a Czak helm now

I think my accuracy is not high enough
Level gap too wide

[torpid sphinx]

Do yall still enter eos post 200

[rich coral]

u can try removing the chain skills

maybe try the whirlwind thingy, falcon honour and sudden strike only

[obtuse condor]

after lv200 only reset the hyperstats, i think that the way as well. Little crystall still effortable for me

[rich coral]

u don't have to reset, just spend 500 crystals to buy a new hyper stat page

if not all the mesos u spend on the exp points are wasted

[jolly cairn]

Hello. I have a question

Which vskill should i max first?

I have some exp nodestones and i don't know to which skill should i use

[exotic olive]

Boost node I guess.

[astral hill]

Maci’s asking which V skill to upgrade 😂

[astral hill]

Works!
I used the 3s stun skill

Plus Hitokiri

[rich coral]

niceeeeeeee

[astral hill]

10 more level ups to go

Not sure if I can make it but I’ll try

[rich coral]

atb my g

[rich coral]

i think someone answered that before but i can't seem to find it

[exotic olive]

V1

[rich coral]

oh it was so long ago

[steady geyser]

Honestly the class would be amazing if shinsoku has Push Prevention and Abnormal Status RES effects while the skill is in use. Similar to dk v3 and db asura/blade tempest.

Right now shinsoku the main bulk of the damage but its too easily interrupted

[dull void]

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[graceful night]

his vskill ???

[dull void]

nah

Zero Sugars

[dull void]

V 6 tho!

V1

V2

V3

V4

[rich coral]

coooooooollllllll

[exotic olive]

By far zero has the best animation

Wondering if zero will able to come mobile.

[dull void]

imagine if it had tho

• 79.34% Server has RR.

[astral hill]

Good feedback idea
Ask for super stance when casting Shinsoku

The kbk res and % abnormal status res passives that Hayato has are too low for them to work imo

[dull void]

V2

V3

[jagged galleon]

where's susano?!

hayato's favourite summon!

[dull void]

V4

[dull void]

[jagged galleon]

ngl.. when it's alone. it looks.. just boring af

[dull void]

\

[jagged galleon]

but when you execute all of hayato's skill together, man it look wonderful

[dull void]

[jagged galleon]

too bad peak hayato has a pretty high skill ceiling

[dull void]

play MM 💔

[jagged galleon]

i wanna reroll paladin, but i'm too lazy to regear

SF gave me pstd

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pally op

[steady geyser]

Lets send feedback together

[glacial fog]

What’s the perfect trios or is moonbeans video valid for gmsm?

[mellow mantle]

Hello Hayato Warriors ,
Would really like some help if possible . Maybe it would help others also ?

I'm level 188 , and would like some help on understanding of the Presets .

Some of the combinations I do , don't seem to activate?
Wondering if any other players with more understanding, would be able to help.

Open to any recommendations!

Thank you, merci

[jagged galleon]

preset 2 and 3 are understandable. preset 4 is odd because you're changing back to normal stance, does that mean you're supposed ot be in quick draw stance by default. preset 1 just puzzles me lol

[rich coral]

didn't watch the vid but ours are shinsoku/rai blade flash/falcon's honour

[graceful night]

wooooo finally reached 200 today

thanks @glad flax for the tips

[graceful night]

man af30 mobs are not easy to kill, don't think. my hayato can overnight there 😢

any tips guys

[astral hill]

What weapon?

Also congrats on the 200!!

I suggest going back to sf194 for the time being until your arcane force is higher

You get increased attack and defense if your af is higher than the maps’s by a certain amount

[rich oak]

Crit rate weapon

[graceful night]

briser mythic lv 30 😅

[graceful night]

haha i can onky go back 147 😭

[graceful night]

its af45 for af30 rt ?

[astral hill]

I’m not sure

[astral hill]

Oh no :((

[astral hill]

Try to make more meso farmers in the mean time

[merry totem]

Colossal Tail AF160 vs SF194 exp wise for Hayato any1 knows? EDIT: I tried for couple of mins both, Looks like SF194 still wins getting around 20% more EXP by the tracker.

[glacial fog]

Exp is always better with sf194 till lvl 215

[steady geyser]

Can i ask which AF to train after 215

[astral hill]

AF170

[fringe sable]

Any AB wheel lvl200+ ?

[graceful night]

guys anyone knows if the non AF map of AF60 drops nodes ?

does it have reduced rates of node drops compared to AF60 ?

[glad flax]

Non af maps have reduced node drop. Avoid those.

[graceful night]

daaaang. my lv 200 hayato can’t rly survive af30 sad man

was thinking can farm nodes w him

[glad flax]

Keep doing the daily quests. Those symbols will help you survive better in af maps.

[rotund vigil]

Does Hayoto need ropelift for node farming?

[astral hill]

Will be good to have

[unreal gale]

You guys think Hayato needs Necro or Chaos weapon with decent Crit Rate will work? Obviously Necro is the ideal

[glacial fog]

to what? boss?

[unreal gale]

Yea

Or just in general

[calm hazel]

this should be good enough for pre 200 right?

[rich coral]

idk i just put the vapor blade as one of its skills lol

[astral hill]

Looks ok
You should include the level 100 dash skill too

Hitokiri Strike - Angle

[calm hazel]

Okay I'll put it in a separate slot then

[runic sentinel]

lv198 at 90% exp. I"M GONNA MAKE IT!!!

[graceful night]

hopefully you have better equips then me lol i hit lv 200 but still have to ab at 147 lmao

[rich coral]

hahaha what weapon are you using!

[graceful night]

mythic briser

[rich coral]

o dang

can't 1 shot with falcon honor?

[graceful night]

can but will still die

falcon got 7 sec cd

i mean i dont have private parties so pub pts not always full

my armor is max leg overall the rest uniqs

[runic sentinel]

I'm on SF158 with Mythic Bruser, RA Top/Bot, Leg Gloves, and Unique everything else.

Can't you do AF30? Or do you need full Mythic for that?

[jagged galleon]

man, that's quite disheartening to hear that hayato isn't good at later game content. i was hoping it was a good main to start with

[rich coral]

you just need enough 150% AF of 30 to get damage reduction

[rich coral]

im doing 90 with only mythic armor

[graceful night]

it cld be my armor i guess

[graceful night]

mythic lv30 outfit gives how much hp btw ?

whats ur max hp ?

[graceful night]

i suspect is my max hp prob

i only have 42k max hp

gets 1-2shot by the mobs or touch dmg

[rich coral]

10.8k
maxhp is 65k

[graceful night]

all ur armors are max mythic ?

[rich coral]

nope only armor

i mean body armor

[graceful night]

the others unique ?

[rich coral]

i take like 19k per hit in af90

[graceful night]

hmmm ok maybe i try upgrading my outfit to mythic

[rich coral]

only need glove and shoe to be legend, im using czak helm

[graceful night]

ah ok

i considered ra top/bot but they cost like 1 bil total excluding sf cost and powder cost

too much for an alt imo

[rich coral]

yea for sure since ure 200 alr anyways

[graceful night]

wait actually does sf matter atp ?

like what if i just gt a max mythic outfit

max leg glove shoes

but all no sf 😂

it doesn’t affect af fields rt

[rich coral]

nope

im only on 160 sf as well

[rich oak]

One of the V skill is similar to falcon. Instant slice

Maybe you can do falcon>mobility skill x2 > instant slice> mobility skill > falcon then throw V1 somewhere in between those skills

[fringe sable]

Could you show your skill wheel and preset?

[glass matrix]

so cheap

alts should all wear necro bro

[graceful night]

wouldn't wanna spend too much on mushroom game lol

either time or money

[runic sentinel]

Ah in my case I'm swapping from Kanna to Hayato and have a lot of resources I could drop like RA currency. At 65k HP atm, bossing set could help with dmg reduc as well.

SF doesn't mattery in AF fields, but it still increases your damage in SF Liberation stats.

[zinc creek]

Anyone got a post 200 skill wheel?

I made one using maple PC's hayato guides but the skills are a tad bit different on M

[glad flax]

The rule of thumb I follow is that so long your max hp is >4x touch dmg, you should be able to ab with pot at 70%(90% is too expensive). Often times when you die abing is due to weaker party members unable to kill fast enough and yet since those mobs attacked by party members you will ignore; thus, you walk though mobs and taking too much dmg and die.

[proper pulsar]

got to lvl 198 50% exp before the event ended

[unreal gale]

What's Hayato's trinodes?

[unreal gale]

Assuming you're at sf180 it won't be long to hit 200

[proper pulsar]

nah I'm only at sf168

[unreal gale]

Okay that's rough

[proper pulsar]

Even then, sometimes I have trouble staying alive in SF168 so I AB at a lower sf

[unreal gale]

Yea it's basically impossible if you at 147 lel

Gonna take you ages even if you at 198 50%

[graceful night]

dangg so close!

just keep doing dailies and edge of space!

[zinc creek]

I tested with a solo party in af30 (have 60af) with 4x touch DMG HP (56k HP, 12k touch DMG), was still dying from time to time. I assume that's because I couldn't kill fast enough? I already one shot and have plenty of fmas to clear map. Any way to guarantee not dying without spending real 💰?

[astral hill]

Pots on 90%?

[zinc creek]

I tried 90, but was too expensive, had to do 70

[glad flax]

Just use quick strike and aoe skills. If you can ohko you should be ok.

Now I don’t have exp with this class in af. Since I stopped once I’m 200. Where I am farming, af510, I found that I had to increase hp to 5x to be safe. One solution is to craft decent sharp eye skill node.

As well as decent hyper body. Those will reduce your dmg received by a good chunk. Possibly make your current hp pool able to handle 5x touch dmg.

[zinc creek]

Here's my current training presets and skill wheel. This should be good enough no? Or am I doing too much and losing out on clear efficiency?

[glad flax]

My philosophy on ab wheel is never have two long animation skills in a row. I’m not familiar with class v skills. But I only use quick strike and the 170 and that 60s cd aoe.

For example 170 and rain of swords (long cd aoe) maybe considered long animation. So I will do 170 quick strike, rain of swords, dash move. How you mix in v skill depends on their animation time.

[astral hill]

I don’t use Sanrenzan

[glad flax]

Realistically, craft sharp eyes and hyper body might be the quicker and easier fix.

[astral hill]

But i have 70k hp

[astral hill]

Remove Dankuusen

[zinc creek]

Instant slice and phantom blade are both near instant animation, which was why I was mixing them. Rain of swords is the only long animation AOE hayato has, or at least that I have in my preset, sudden strike could be a bit longer I guess.

[zinc creek]

Reasoning? CD or?

[astral hill]

My setup for af90

[astral hill]

If you’re party isn’t killing efficiently, you’re flashing from one touch damage to another

Maybe remove all the Hitokiri skills too

[zinc creek]

You don't need it for movement?

[astral hill]

Change to Power Stance instead of Normal, the extra crit rate might help with Sudden Strike kills

[astral hill]

Sure, you can try

I think you’re struggling because your pots aren’t on 90%
If it’s an alt, I can get why you wouldn’t want to spend so much meso, but if it’s your main I’d say just spend the mesos

If all else fails, I guess you can go full leech mode and use Preset 1 and 2
Not sure if it’ll work because we’re dealing with 56k hp here

@zinc creek

[zinc creek]

I'm curious, what's the logic behind present 1 and 2 as shown?

[astral hill]

I haven’t tried in af90

But the goal is to fly out of range from mobs

It worked in sf194 because of all the platforms

To put it simply,
dash off platforms = evade mobs

It’s not nice for the other ppl in my party but I had less than a week for my Hayato Lv 0-200 😂

Oh right the first skill in Preset 2 knocks mobs up into the air

If they land on another platform,
Mob evasion complete 👌

Tornado Blade stuns mobs for 3 seconds

Explore a little there are a lot of skills

@zinc creek any luck?

[zinc creek]

Haven't tried yet, about to!

1st trial: solo, removed dankuusen and sanrenzan, switched to power stance, same preset as before, kept hitokiri, 70% pot, died faster than my previous set up xD

[astral hill]

OH NO HAHA

Try keeping Dankuusen?

[zinc creek]

Not sure if that's the issue honestly, it might be sudden strike, sanrenzan had faster animation and higher damage. Without which my character seems to do sudden strike a lot more and gets stuck in place and die.

[astral hill]

Ok 👌

I removed some armors to match your hp

Testing out some skill rotations too

[zinc creek]

W for helping out! 🙏

[astral hill]

V9 70%
50k hp

Survived for 15 mins no deaths yet

Only have my top, glove, cape, shoulder and belt on

[runic sentinel]

What are the perks of the air combos? Feel like bosses still hit you.

[astral hill]

You’re not supposed to used them for bossing

[runic sentinel]

👀

Do I just use it for fun cause I can?

[astral hill]

Sure

[runic sentinel]

That's a bit disappointing

[astral hill]

Not that efficient for both mobbing and bossing haha

But if you want to see him fly around

😂

[astral hill]

Fate of 1st to 3rd job skills for most classes

[runic sentinel]

I wonder if Vell can hit you in the air?

[astral hill]

If you want to use all skills, maybe try cadena

[astral hill]

The one hit ko beam?

[runic sentinel]

No the yellow area then he comes up and one shots you

[astral hill]

Ohh

I don’t think the flying skills give iframe

[runic sentinel]

Hmm beam too I guess.

[astral hill]

So you’ll just rush in the tail and die

[runic sentinel]

It does?!

[astral hill]

They don’t

[runic sentinel]

Lol

Oh

Lol

[astral hill]

Update, just died

[ashen hull]

You mean the one that gives you a buff after 8 combos? I just place on page 2 and spam it against the wall before boss starts, like the two other skills.