Adele

[wanton path]

Adele has a buff that auto summon swords upon using trigger skill

[agile needle]

ah ok i saw it

and u guys were saying move legion to evd?

[viscid bough]

Starting player here, what are some of your tactics to level that fast to 200?

Congrats btw!

[agile needle]

use ra top bottom to help get to sf 194 and u can fly to lvl 200 😛

[viscid bough]

RA? 😂

[agile needle]

yea

why cant i find evd in legion

[feral harness]

It’s on the outside. If your legion isn’t high enough you won’t have it

[agile needle]

ah okok i see it now

does it really help alot?

[viscid bough]

What does it stand for?

[agile needle]

root abyss

[agile needle]

does it really help alot tho lol alot rearranging to do

[feral harness]

Yeah evd is pretty strong especially if you’re using the evd armors too

[agile needle]

how shld i build it then

evd phsy def

and crit rate?

then fill 1 box bottom right?

[feral harness]

Phy def isn’t worth

[agile needle]

oh okok how shld i place with evd

i suck at this lolol

[feral harness]

Exp>evd>PD>crit rate if you’re not wearing Jaihin do PA instead of crit rate

[agile needle]

like this?

and fill bottom right bhoxes?

[feral harness]

Just make a line to the outside areas, you don’t need to have boss def lol

[agile needle]

no ignore where my units are placed

i mean the bottom right area

crit rate

pd

evd

exp

[feral harness]

Yeah that’s fine

[agile needle]

im guessing like tthis?

[feral harness]

Yeah but I would prioritize PD over crit rate so fill that up first. You’d only be missing out on like 2% crit

[agile needle]

pd = phsycal def?

[feral harness]

Physical Dmg

[agile needle]

oh

ook hope i can survive better

just want to be able to ab and close my game in sf 194 lolol

[feral harness]

What’s your gear? Full mythic?

[agile needle]

im gear locked

myt server has no one selling helmet glove

[feral harness]

You might need lvl 40 mythic weapon to survive in 194

Mythic Jaihin

Don’t level the one you have

[agile needle]

yea its just my temp weapon

my plan is to get a mythic cd emblem weapon to pass ard alts for necro

but no one is selling them 😛 since the class just released

[harsh night]

I kinda whaled through it 🐳 bought both the 24hr 100% EXP buffs and some auto battle packages as I needed, also tried to auto battle at SF180 24/7

[harsh night]

Thank you 🥹🫶🏽 so happy this is my first lvl 200 toon in mobile

[tough reef]

someone should pin this #1178141723369689208 message

[echo elbow]

Just change the acc to speed

[icy rose]

example of how to set up trios

[sly garnet]

Lv201 Adele main looking for a guild on NA Scania. Idk if this is an acceptable place to mention this..

[pure sierra]

Is this correct place to find fixed party at sf194? A2S

[zealous lichen]

wtf lol

i got no space for so many trios, i already got 4 x trios but can only put 2 xD

[icy rose]

i'm 206 so i opened another slot

but i just didn't use weapon aura or impenetrable skin

[zealous lichen]

last time i used to rmb at 200 theres quest to hit 201

but i dont have anything on adele

cant 201

[zealous lichen]

oh yeah xD

[icy rose]

id swap rope lift out when bossing

[zealous lichen]

of course

[icy rose]

but yea just need to lvl to get more slots (':

[zealous lichen]

soon soon

[upbeat thunder]

a2s telegram would be the better place

[zealous lichen]

now am trying out v7 hp pots if can survive at 70%

[pure sierra]

What’s the preferred ab skill wheel? Under 200

[unique hemlock]

hopefully adele getting buff like sia soon,atm its probably the same as DW..totally need alot of funded to play well

[wanton path]

Adele atm? For F2P; cannot main. And can’t use as mesos mule too. She’s too fragile / too much aoe to be efficient

[unique hemlock]

ya,now all adele weapon price drop alot lol..seem like ppl start quitting adele

[icy rose]

adele still going strong here, not sure what u mean lol

sia and adele 2 completely different play styles as well

lots of f2p having no issues w her survival but i wouldn’t say no to a buff lmao make her even better

[wanton path]

Really? I have problems with her in sf139…
Legend weapon; full unique, sf145. But I can’t survive in sf139 or higher

Can only farm in sf133 at lv 162

[upbeat thunder]

im f2p, no issues

[agile needle]

Lol no issues cause not pushing sf.

Can be lvl 190 and at sf 80 and no issues foo

[tropic pulsar]

surviving 144 with this

ark and kanna on the other hand

[pure sierra]

Guess need to change to legend eq

[wanton path]

Legend armor? Man that’s a lot of investment. But I think problem is still with her single target dmg

She has a lot of aoe. But not great dmg for single target without Grave proclamation

So she generally tries to kill entire map and for most of us f2p; we end up dead first 😂

[tough reef]

how many nodes you needed to max out those 4? o:

[waxen grotto]

For Adele; what Hyper Stats should we be maxing out first?

[icy rose]

my friend had his adele in 144 at lvl 100 lmao

[icy rose]

o i didn’t keep count /:

maybe 600-700?

[echo elbow]

These 4 sets is all yu need?

[icy rose]

yep for boost nodes

[echo elbow]

Thank you 🙂

About to pop 700 nodes that I farmed for 3 years….

Waited for this moment

[icy rose]

good luck!

[echo elbow]

nexon rng

I see everyone passing their necro… and I failed 30x already lol

[keen spruce]

Does refining help necro conversion? If true, to what level of refinement is optimal. Same goes for exaltation, do I need to max exalt to increase chances?

[icy rose]

30 times 😭 necro soon for sure

[icy rose]

only refining that will help is using the empress stones

it’s 2% bonus

[echo elbow]

Just refine it once

[echo elbow]

In a week I’ll prob have another 5 attempts

Soooooooo

Wish me luck lol

[icy rose]

exalting to 40 before necro just helps u lower the cost of exalting, doesn’t add any bonus

nexon is stingy

[echo elbow]

Nexon needs to get paid

[icy rose]

sending u luck necro bladecaster incoming

[echo elbow]

Thank you!!

I did make my utgard to level 40 without a single fail

[icy rose]

dang

that’s where ur luck went

[echo elbow]

🥹🥹🥹

It’s after I failed all my necros too lol

I don’t have enough stones to inherit it anymore lol

[icy rose]

oof 😭

[echo elbow]

Hoping to one tap it

[icy rose]

sometimes inherit is pain too

[echo elbow]

Yeahhhhh

[icy rose]

it feels worse to fail a 30%

[echo elbow]

I think I had this weapon I tried 10x before it worked

Inherits too… sigh

[icy rose]

omg…

[echo elbow]

I see people passing necros in 1-4 tries

[icy rose]

i failed my inherit attempts on my pensalir gear

[echo elbow]

My pensalir gear was ok actually haha

Got pretty lucky on it

[icy rose]

a guildie passed 3 necros in the span of 10 days

[echo elbow]

Omg!

[icy rose]

crazy

[echo elbow]

Nexon just shows love to some people

[icy rose]

another one hit 2 recently 2 days in a row

one on christmas n the day after

[echo elbow]

Maybe it’s the gambler in me…. But I feel like some accounts are made to pass some things and always fail other things

[icy rose]

yeah…

i don’t have cdd alts so i don’t get as many attempts

[echo elbow]

But you got it!

Making my alts to 160sf was a pain in the butt

They should lower it to 150 lol

[icy rose]

even getting some of mine to 150 was driving me nuts

[echo elbow]

Sf18 for everything, then epic sw

[icy rose]

i don’t do expo on any other characters so i don’t have accessories

i’m lazy

[echo elbow]

Do my way it doesn’t need acc

lol

[icy rose]

that’s for 160? or 150

[echo elbow]

150

[icy rose]

yea that’s what i ended up doing

i mostly did it to hit 150m+ legion cp

so i can upkeep legion badge

[echo elbow]

Yahhh

Ohhh if you do the monster safari

It can get you to 160

Those accessories

[icy rose]

ohhh

ok maybe i’ll start doing it every week

[echo elbow]

[void shell]

Adele is fine!! Im sf 144 lv 160

It just takes some time…

[orchid cape]

Question. For hyper stats, what should we prior first?

[icy rose]

just confirming ur asking for hyper stats n not hyper passives

[orchid cape]

Hmm I guess I can ask for both XD

[icy rose]

hyper passives are pinned

fd first for hyper stats

[orchid cape]

How do I look at the pins

Sorry just on phone. Maybe I'm a noob haha

[icy rose]

#1178141723369689208 message

[orchid cape]

Thanks yoo

What would I do after?

[icy rose]

fd > adi > mdc > pdi > ba

or do pdi before mdc if ur not capping

[sly garnet]

I'm lv201 and have a ton of hyper stat points remaining. Anyone know the meso cost to use them all now?

[icy rose]

1.6b per hyperstat

[tough reef]

wasnt 2.1b?

[harsh night]

Changed last patch 🤓

[zealous lichen]

they should just make it 1b per 20

[storm palm]

they should just give em for free

its hard work enough top lvl

to*

[wanton path]

It’s to prevent inflation of mesos; imo

[storm palm]

They have bigger issues than hyper stats. Bots, meso buyers ,etc.

[pure sierra]

Is Adele boss stun skill 100%? Seems like not always can stun boss

[silver osprey]

Stun has a time delay that’s usually lonfer than the cooldown and also if your teammates stunned it doesn’t stack. There’s a cooldown

[pure sierra]

I was doing at mulong / chaos / ra

[echo elbow]

It’s 100%

10 second stun

[zealous lichen]

4% yoooo

[icy rose]

LETS GO

[zealous lichen]

thats my 2nd one though

was planning to sell this off heh

[icy rose]

ez money

[zealous lichen]

ya

to fund my utgard set

huehue

[icy rose]

i hit necro warrior shoes on my bishop last night

1st attempt

[zealous lichen]

grats op

[icy rose]

ty ty

dopamine rush

[zealous lichen]

heh

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-grandma-dancing-viral-hog-cool-gif-17061657

[icy rose]

[zealous lichen]

[storm palm]

nice

[echo elbow]

36x failed on necro weapon

[icy rose]

soon

[echo elbow]

I hope nexon feels my hate

[zealous lichen]

hoho

[agile needle]

do u guys think they gonna buff adele?

[zealous lichen]

no idea but hope they will

[elder bramble]

is it worth buying potent ark soul

[sly garnet]

If it's on NA Scania, then yes cuz it's probably mine for sale

[pure sierra]

How to setup bossing skill wheel for >200?

[rancid wharf]

Hey sorry to bother you guys. I don't know if I'm missing something but what's the point of the aether crystals? Besides using resonance rush with it

[zealous lichen]

youtube moonbean adele

[pure sierra]

Same question on it

[sly garnet]

No point

[sly garnet]

Yay almost done with that 1.24trillion exp quest lol

Failed another 3 times on inherit wep

10 fails now... 30% is not 30%

[silver osprey]

What’s the quest?

[sly garnet]

When u hit 200 for the first time on an account there's a quest for a +1 max SF scroll and some other stuff

[echo elbow]

I know the feeling

[agile needle]

damn no adele buff this patch notes 😦

[royal mesa]

At least they fixed the BGM bug for infinity blade

[agile needle]

So terrible man even with decent gear can surive sf 194 with v9 90% buffed

[echo elbow]

Find a party with a pally

[agile needle]

Still die lol

With pally bsp still die

[echo elbow]

What’s your gear like

[agile needle]

All mythic emblem

Except glove and helmet

[echo elbow]

Maybe you aren’t killing fast enough

https://tenor.com/view/flame-on-eric-cartman-south-park-s13e5-fish-sticks-gif-23033534

[agile needle]

Yea…. I mean with mythic….

Hence thats why it needs a little buff man

[icy rose]

i was killing fine in sf194 w a leg bladecaster n not even full mythic emblem armor lol

idk if it’s ur jewels or legion or links but smthn ain’t right

i have guildies w/o full emblem mythic surviving fine in 194

[agile needle]

Wow

Show me ur items

Link skills i basically have everyone

Legion pdi

My weapon just mythic no emblem

Ra top btm

[icy rose]

i have a necro bladecaster now so there’s no point lol

i use hp/exp/pexp links

exp/cr/pdi/speed legion grid

yellow jewels

i had regular mythic pensalir armor

& top/bot

[loud ingot]

75k hp and two hit to clear the mob

[agile needle]

Hp i have but u cant 2 hit lol

How to 2 hit with legendary weapon 😮

[loud ingot]

Then stay sf180

[agile needle]

^ o.o

[agile needle]

All same if not better from urs still die :/ definitely cant 2 hit

[icy rose]

no idea then

i wasn’t 2 hitting w leg weapon, was more like 4

but i wasn’t dying

i left it overnight for like 9 hrs

no issues

that was around lvl 178-180 as well

[agile needle]

What hat glove u were using

[icy rose]

pensalir

[agile needle]

Lol u are pro man

What skill tho

[icy rose]

#1178141723369689208 message

[still junco]

maybe is bc of different pt members ? does chibi run w a fixed pt ?

if all the same then might be pt member different ?

[icy rose]

im in a 22/7 perma yes

[sly garnet]

I swear 30% is not 30%. Failed 8 emblem scrolls and 10 inherits now. Somebody check these probabilities. Nexon playing by the rules here like they are in Korea? Edit: failed all 10 emblem scrolls

[grizzled ginkgo]

And then suddenly pass a 1% (of something insignificant)

[elder bramble]

How long is Adele seal skill?

[icy rose]

10 seconds

[elder bramble]

Blade torrent? Ok ty

[wanton path]

Nah. No way you can kill fast with legend weapon even in sf168/180/184

And especially with Adele. Their cleave is only 7-8 hit count @ 200-300% dmg max per hit

[icy rose]

how are u going to tell me when i was watching it ab lol

[wanton path]

Max legend weapon isn’t good enough. But I didn’t account for link skills / legion and buffs from party

So in your case; it’s probably an exceptional case due to very high levels of legion / a lot of link skills / party members giving great buffs etc etc.
@icy rose

[icy rose]

my legion is 5.5k

[wanton path]

But from a normal player’s pov; legend weapon definitely cannot. In fact; even sf144 might be a problem

[wanton path]

Mine at 1k

[icy rose]

12 link skills ofc

[wanton path]

Legion 5.5 is actually pretty damm high. And so are 12 link skills(?) or maybe I just too new into this game to judge

[icy rose]

u sound new lol

12 link skills is the maximum amount of link skills

so it is possible for a “normal” player to do it if they worked on legion/link skills

especially now w the adventure dungeon making it possible to get alts to lvl 100 fairly quickly without having to sf gear

[wanton path]

Eh yea… hahaha I am probably 3-4 months into msm

[iron bough]

Hi guys new Adele main here, I’m still at sf180 should I try to push to sf194? .

[still junco]

ahhh no wonder.. i think @agile needle probably joins pub ? like most of us 😆

thats why our adele farming experience is different

random pub pt may not have good buffs etc…

[agile needle]

Pubs but i was ever in a bsp kaiser pala team all above 200 abd still die lol

[icy rose]

but i have guildies who were joining pub 144/180 too lol

[paper lagoon]

Cleared my first Adele run in Lotus last night, heres how I did if anyone is interested (34k PA)

[zealous lichen]

40f cleared

15% emblem scroll passed lul

[storm palm]

grats

[zealous lichen]

this my low funded male adele, tested in sf147 can survive with decent party

should be able to survive on its own after i max lvl all the uniques

v9 pots at 70%

[zealous lichen]

@icy rose which node u max first?

[icy rose]

wym

[zealous lichen]

like v skill nodes or the normal skill nodes

[icy rose]

i just kept opening nodes until i maxed boost nodes

[zealous lichen]

since v2 is our best dps its abit hard to decide to craft skill nodes or v2 skill nodes

oo

[icy rose]

then opened more to lvl v skills

i wouldn’t craft skill nodes lol

[zealous lichen]

roughly how much budget to max ?

[zealous lichen]

wad u crafted?

[icy rose]

i re-crafted more nodes

then opened those

[zealous lichen]

oo

[icy rose]

the method is to get ur trios to max

lvl trash trios

extract those for shards

turn shards into new nodes

open, repeat

i’ve opened close to 2k nodes

[zealous lichen]

ok

thx i will try that out

🫰

[harsh night]

Hey everyone 🙌🏽 been saving these from the new year’s giveaway cause I’m not really sure on what to use them

These are my current nodes

Can I get some advice pls?

[royal mesa]

Use them on either your 1st or 2nd node trio

[icy rose]

i would use on infinity blade

[harsh night]

Thank you both 🙌🏽

[icy rose]

it’s harder to lvl v skills than trios

[swift portal]

hey thanks for sharing, I just saw the discussion and I could explain a little about this video.

Magic Dispatch is useful before you get hyper passive enhancement for cleave, because 1) it does almost double the damage of cleave (6:48 in the video), which means as long as your average target count is <2 in auto-battle, MD will still have higher DPS, which is the case when you farm in a party and the actual mobs count you hit is not very dense. 2) it has longer range than cleave, which means it can be triggered at a further distance than cleave, which in turn increases DPS. 3) the 5 shards can hit 5 targets in 360 degree in ideal situation, when the mobs hp is low or your base DMG is high it could ideally kill 5 mobs in one shot from different directions. However, after you get the 1st & 2nd hyper passive skills to boost cleave dmg significantly, then MD can be removed from AB skill wheel (there's another video for lv. 170+ skill wheel).

[gaunt jasper]

Makes a lot of sense! And I just saw the new vid too

[swift portal]

2nd hyper passive Deadly Crits(20% Crit DMG) is more useful than 5th Reign of Destruction Persist IMO because: 1) RD only double it's DPS in bossing (and only if the boss doesn't move), and it only plays a small portion of the total DPS when bossing, so even it doubles, its not significant, you can test it out. 2) In auto-battle farming, doubling the duration won't double DPS because mobs refresh only at certain interval, and there's no guarantee that 30s can kill twice as much mobs as 15s 3) there could be more trigger skills in future V skills

In Bossing MD is definitely needed as you can see from the comparison (6:51 to 7:58). There's no "delay" in casting MD, don't be fooled by the visual feeling, use a clock to test it yourself. Number of lines doesn't matter, total damage matters. Actually if total damage is the same, the less lines the better. Because each line will be countered by enemy's defense, the more lines you have the more reduction you get.

In auto battle, how many pages the skill wheels spans doesn't matter because you don't need to control it anyways.

[gaunt jasper]

Yes I also don’t put point in reign of destruction , especially if boss moves around.

[icy rose]

md will be used anyway in bossing, there’s no need to have it after every skill. also i still disagree with you, in this game more lines is always better.

but as i’ve said, to each their own

[swift portal]

well... already being used doesn't mean you can't use it more, as long as it does more dmg than cleave, it will be nice if they allow you to replace all cleave with MD if there's no CD

10 lines with each line dealing 100 DMG vs. 1 line dealing 1000 DMG, ignore miss rate, which one do you prefer

let's say boss has defense power of 30. if you do 10 lines with 100 DMG each, the real total DMG is 10 x (100-30) = 700. if you do 1 line with 1000 DMG, the real total DMG is 1000 - 30 = 970

super whales probably only cares about lines because no matter how low the skill dmg is he/she can always Max the DMG cap per line. in that case, more lines more DMG

[rain girder]

the stupid delay from casting magic dispatch is a lie?

oh its true

[swift portal]

The time to cast a MD is the same to cast a cleave

[rain girder]

looks to me like a longer time

but the cleave after comes out faster so balances out

[swift portal]

Check 6:51 to 7:58 or you can test it out yourself

[rain girder]

just did

[swift portal]

I think it’s that when you cast MD your cleave flow gets interrupted which makes you feel a delay

[rain girder]

ya the video concurs no?

less skills came out

[swift portal]

That’s because you are replacing a cleave with a MD for that one shot. Replacing a low dmg skill with a high DMG skill will cause the low dmg skill to be interrupted

Yes because MD has lower hit count

[rain girder]

no that's tapping count

that's not hit count

[swift portal]

But each hit does more DMG

[rain girder]

i'll try another time for actual output. but MD is definitely slower

[swift portal]

Go try it out

[rain girder]

will see if it's slower but does more damage

WILL TRY LATER ITS HOTTIME

[swift portal]

[rain girder]

oh but the second argument about hyper passive 2

that's poop for sure

what's 20% when you will have like 500

[swift portal]

Again go try it out see how much portion cleave takes in total dmg vs reign of destruction

[rain girder]

you're supposed to cap on cleave without that hyper

[swift portal]

That 20% increase in cleave does more than RoD double

[rain girder]

so why would you take the hyper

yea if you don't intend to cap

[swift portal]

If you talk about cap then yeah that’s a different story

How many people plays this game can actually cap all lines of dmg

[rain girder]

well i'm gonna be mad if i'm not capping

[swift portal]

You are whales

[rain girder]

3 year f2p

not a cent to nexon

[swift portal]

Me too

[rain girder]

how dare you insult me with this whale calling

save that for @icy rose

[swift portal]

I thought whales is a compliment?

[rain girder]

6/8 btw chibi. congratulate me

[rain girder]

idk i've always used it as an insult

[swift portal]

If you can cap all lines of dmg you don’t even need 1st hyper passive

[rain girder]

yea but then what else to get

also FD >>>> CD

[swift portal]

Just put all points on duration, line count target count

CD worse than FD but still better than other cr@p

Esp. When you get necro with 100% crit rate

[icy rose]

cleave is not worse than md

cleave does more dmg than md by far lol

[swift portal]

Check 6:48

Data talks

[icy rose]

we are not the same

[swift portal]

We are playing the same character

[icy rose]

and i’m telling u my cleave does more dmg than md

by far

[swift portal]

The character doesn’t care who plays it

[icy rose]

yes it does, if we have different ways of playing lol

[swift portal]

[icy rose]

that’s why someone w full necro can be outdps by someone without

it’s skill issue

[swift portal]

You mean the kill one use his thumb to tap the kill key?

The skill*

[icy rose]

if we’re using 2 different skill wheels playing 2 different ways the results are different

idk why that is difficult to understand

someone w better gear can be outdps by the same person playing the same character w worse gear bc they play better

[swift portal]

I don’t know why you don’t know how to compare 2 skills dmg

[icy rose]

do u do any endgame bossing with adele? or just testing on the dummy

[swift portal]

This has nothing to do with skill wheel. Is comparing 2 natural numbers. Primary school stuff

[haughty heron]

Actually just to ask

Doesnt pressing trigger skill like cleave proc magic dispatch?

[icy rose]

it does have to do with the skill wheel… if different presets and wheels are being used… different results come out…

[zealous lichen]

cleave > md dmg

[haughty heron]

So why preset magic dispatch to cleave?

[icy rose]

yes md is dispatched automatically

[swift portal]

Yes it does, same CD

[icy rose]

that’s what i’m saying lol

[swift portal]

Because it increases total dmg

[haughty heron]

Something doesnt make sense thou

If you can auto cast magic dispatch without any delay

Why preset?

[icy rose]

it makes no sense to have those presets i’m sorry

[elder bramble]

This is right

[icy rose]

but everyone plays differently

[swift portal]

To max its frequency

[icy rose]

like i said

[elder bramble]

There’s no reason to preset MD

[icy rose]

lol

[elder bramble]

If you think cleave does less then MD open your eyes again

[swift portal]

Did you check 6:48

Don’t use gut feeling, use numbers

[elder bramble]

Show me your character stats and your personal testing in bossing

[icy rose]

^

it’s not a gut feeling lol

i know it’s unnecessary

[swift portal]

If you use eyes you should be able to read numbers

[elder bramble]

Send your stats stop going past the subject

If your gonna argue show me your testing

[swift portal]

6:48 in the video above

Hold on let me make a SS

[icy rose]

he used both skills one time n proceeded to make the statement that overall md will do more dmg than cleave lol

[haughty heron]

@swift portal i saw your video

Can i check

What is your crit rate

[zealous lichen]

lol

[swift portal]

This has nothing to with crit rate. Crit rate will boost both skills

[zealous lichen]

it has to do with crit rate

if u wan to be fair on testing u should be on 100+% crit

if u are anything under 100% then its not really that fair because of rng of not crit-ing

[swift portal]

Show me a SS that cleave does more dmg than cleave with any crit rate

[zealous lichen]

oh sure i can but now HT ?

lol

have to wait 1hr 19mins later

[swift portal]

Sure later

[swift portal]

These 2 skills are not affected by crit rate

[elder bramble]

this is presetting cleave and MD

[icy rose]

why are u comparing it by using each skill one time lol? we’re talking abt throughout the boss fight

[elder bramble]

open your eyes plz

[swift portal]

Dude

You compare 100 cleaves with 10 MD?

[elder bramble]

this is presetting cleave with MD

[icy rose]

[elder bramble]

go look at the max dmg per line

Plz read

[swift portal]

Dude may I ask if you passed your math exam pls

[zealous lichen]

i think it should be compared by in 1min how many cleave is being used vs how many md is used

[swift portal]

Anyways I’m outside, ttyl when I get home

[zealous lichen]

ok

[elder bramble]

There with preset

[icy rose]

not worth to keep going back and forth tbh

let’s just keep doing the more efficient route

[elder bramble]

ye lol

[zealous lichen]

whelp just nice yesterday i was recording my dmg done

so i know what skills does more dmg for me :v

[icy rose]

exactly

[elder bramble]

You can clearly see from this chart

MAX dmg per line

Cleave does more

[zealous lichen]

yeah

this mine from last night

the nodes are 5 lvls apart but yeah cleave does more hitcount anyway

was trying to see how far i was off from capping dmg

cant even hit 10m with cleave

i need to make a new legion grid for more accurate test

[haughty heron]

The animation delay is a huge factor. Sometimes when you see your main skill pause for just a split sec, its quite a turnoff feeling.

[zealous lichen]

yeah

i feel so off when i look at adele

like dafug why so much animation frames delay

was comparing to my dw and hero

my lv150 hero with leg wpn does more dmg than lv161 adele with mythic haha

thats why i said b4 in other channels that we need faster sword animation

gotta slice faster

for the flying swords they also need to react faster and not idle too long frames before atking

[elder bramble]

cleave itself, vs preset with cleave MD line count only

[grizzled ginkgo]

I’m not really familiar with this class. Is there an animation cancel skill like the other combo classes?

[zealous lichen]

no

if there were any, u would see them in moonbean's vid

[swift portal]

Because one MD only replace one cleave, that’s why we only compare one with one

If you read the subtitle carefully I think I explained it very clearly

Using the preset replaces 1 cleave with MD in ever 10 cleaves

When MD in its cool down you still keep using cleave. Who would be stupid enough to only use MD and do nothing when it’s in cooldown?

It’s like do you want me to give you 10 dollars per second, or replace the 10 dollar with 20 dollars every 10 seconds?

10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 or 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 20?

The 20 only appeared once so it’s total value is smaller than all the 10s, so you don’t want the 20?

[zealous lichen]

i will take it

because at that instance, MD > cleave if thats the case

at whichever timeline where the skill has the highest value in the rotation will be the best pick

[swift portal]

That’s exactly what I was showing between 6:51 to 7;58

One can’t say because MD does less total dmg than cleave in one min so we don’t use MD

In that sense they shouldn’t use Armageddon for lumi as well as it has 60s CD, in one minute it does way less dmg than reflection

Why replace a reflection with Armageddon?

Armegeddon take quite a while to cast with that stupid pose

You can cast 2 reflection in the time to cast one Armageddon

[icy rose]

what we’re saying is it doesn’t need to be in the preset bc it’s going to be proc’d regardless so we’re still using it either way… that’s why aetherial arms exists. someone has tested it above & cleave is still doing more dmg by far especially post 200. pls do not ping me any further abt this topic as i’ve said we can play differently and agree to disagree. we will continue to play our way as well bc it makes more sense to us.

[swift portal]

You still didn’t get the point

Cleave doesn’t summon MD every strike

It also has the same cooldown

Most of the cleaves won’t summon a MD

I honestly have no interest in debating with u since we have different level of understanding simple mathematics and I don’t care what your opinion is. I was talking to the person who had question in my video trying to help him understand

You are the one trying to argue with my statement

[zealous lichen]

chill

we are all here to help the community

[swift portal]

I’m super chil, she is not

I didn’t even talk to her to start with

[zealous lichen]

all good

[swift portal]

So many self entitled people these days

[willow ice]

Gwenchana

It's okay

[swift portal]

man why do you care max DMG per line

in the end we only care which setup does more total damage in same amount of time

in your SS above the preset one does 5B total damge and the one without preset does only 1B. although I agree preset does more but it shouldn't be this different

[swift portal]

speaking of crit rate. yes ideally comparing with 100% crit rate is most accurate. but statistically speaking as long as you hit enough times, the random factor should fade out. for example if the crit rate is 30%, and if you only hit 10 times,s there could be 4/10 or 5/10 or 2/10 crits. but if you hit it 1000 times, then there should be roughly 300 times crit

[zealous lichen]

yeah but enough time is not sufficient for now since sage stone limit is 1min only right

[swift portal]

1 min is already around 1500 hits:

and you can test it multiple times

[zealous lichen]

yeah but not consistent with low crit rate

it has to be an amount high enough to be used as a constant

[swift portal]

it's never gonna be 100% consistent, even with 100% crit rate, the number will still flucturate

[zealous lichen]

yes thats why i can just make it 150%+

so that it has more consistency

[swift portal]

it's all about how accurate we want the result to be

[zealous lichen]

yeah like how much we nitpick on the data we want

for me is i full buff after boss run i nothing to do i just go test dmg

LOL

just to know how much i progressed every week

[lapis chasm]

Can someone explain the aether something tht we can toggle on and off do we turn off when mobbing vs on when bossing?

[swift portal]

that's only about if you want to see the aether amoun on your topleft corner

amount*

this number

[zealous lichen]

read text

[icy rose]

i also don’t care what your opinion is so why did u ping me again earlier lol

[swift portal]

because you pinged me first, I answer your question just out of politeness, if you don't want people to be polite to you, no problem at all

I welcome any debate, as long as it's in good faith, but I won't put up with nonsense

[swift portal]

Honestly, when you lose a debate and then try to turn the tide by making it sound like someone is nagging you, it is disgusting

[haughty heron]

Hmm then it’s very strange

If anything that most of those top Adele players ain’t maximising their damage

[swift portal]

that could be the case.

[haughty heron]

Since I’m seeing Kmsm and global Adele players using cleave as a standalone

[swift portal]

and source?

any*

[haughty heron]

You don’t watch at other Adele players on YouTube?

The one from A1 and A2S

[swift portal]

I watched some, but not sure if I watched the one you are referring to

[haughty heron]

Should be the same

Tea with Tiffany

[swift portal]

could you paste a link?

[haughty heron]

https://youtu.be/1nM2ykm3JgE?si=Nf53yDTBG_LEz9r_

This is from A1

Strongest Adele player so far in Global

[swift portal]

timestamp?

[haughty heron]

Just watch the video

The skill wheel is all there

[swift portal]

if this person is here in this server, I can recommend him to add MD

he can try it out

honesly anyone can try it out the same experiment i did between 6:51 to 7:58 in my video

compare the total dmg

[haughty heron]

He should be using LINE

I doubt most A1 players uses discord

[swift portal]

this is not rocket science, you can try it out yourself bro

[haughty heron]

I’m not doubting you. Just wanted to ask whether preset needed when magic dispatch already procs from using cleave every 5 secs

But reading again

It seems like the proc itself is separate from magic dispatch

[swift portal]

in 5s you can throw out 10 cleaves, only 1 of them will summon MD

[haughty heron]

Meaning it’s 2 different types of magic dispatch

One from a passive

[swift portal]

they are exaclty the same

[haughty heron]

One from the skill itself

[swift portal]

I have compared those dmg

just try it yourself, spend 2 mins

[haughty heron]

I see. If that’s the case then best you drop that player a comment on that in his video

The A1 player

[swift portal]

well, I don't wanna go around the world to sell the idea to every person. I only anwer question to those who watched my video

[haughty heron]

I mean the whole point ultimately is make mistake, learn and help the community

[zealous lichen]

see if the user does not inquire we don't do anything as it would seems that we are being a smart alec by some people

[swift portal]

this i totally agree

[rain girder]

on forever

[zealous lichen]

you don't try to be helpful when u don't need to as sometimes good will gets perceived by others will be become otherwise

[haughty heron]

I see where you’re coming from

[zealous lichen]

as a guide content creator he can just publish the guide on youtube

[swift portal]

yep

[haughty heron]

It’s the same issue for Demon Slayer lol

[zealous lichen]

let others point them to the right direction

[haughty heron]

When I spoke to a Kmsm DS youtuber

He refused to believe on the bind mechanic giving more lines to DS

[swift portal]

being a top player doesn't necessarily means he/she knows more. most of the time it's just spent more money

[zealous lichen]

yes and they have ego

whale ego

if they are not failing content due to the lack of dps

just let it be

[haughty heron]

It’s down to personality of each player

[zealous lichen]

because they dont need to be min-maxing

[haughty heron]

Even myself I learn alot from other DS players

[zealous lichen]

if they can clear lotus ark damien

we keep quiet

[haughty heron]

It helped improve my game overall

[zealous lichen]

[swift portal]

because I'm f2p, so I have the momentum to research all the optimal methods

that's why I find a lot of things

[haughty heron]

Ok la, normally for me I will still try to tell them on what they can do improve

I’m very interested in maximising my damage

[zealous lichen]

yeah but that has the potential to invite unnecessary trouble

[haughty heron]

I feel so far it’s ok for DS community

[zealous lichen]

ask and you shall receive is the principles i go by

[haughty heron]

But I’m not sure about other communities

[zealous lichen]

i only talk more tips if user is new

if the user is like some megawhale i keep quiet

[swift portal]

if you are willing to spend money and then pick some f2p's max-min methods, then your character can be stronger than other whales

[zealous lichen]

i cant ark , solo hmag all these so me not in a position to advice ppl much

[haughty heron]

Yup this

[zealous lichen]

yes but not every one is so receptive

[haughty heron]

Before I started investing alot

Back then I was a semi f2p

Playing as a DK main before DS

I used to find ways to maximising my damage or optimised my skill wheel

The same mentality was brought over to DS

[zealous lichen]

i play maple m on n off for 6yrs

this the 6th yr

[haughty heron]

Same man

Jul 18

[zealous lichen]

this the only year i started leveling nodes

LOL

[haughty heron]

Time flies

[zealous lichen]

the rest of my 200s living off with lv1 nodes

[haughty heron]

Nodes were like what

1b when it was released

LOL

[zealous lichen]

kekw

like i see the market trend

i know not yet time to lvl

i just kept waited n waited

[haughty heron]

Now is the best time

[zealous lichen]

finally < 20m per node

and adele out

[haughty heron]

Good that it paid off

[zealous lichen]

ezpz

[haughty heron]

Your patience

[zealous lichen]

yup

but the sad thing is

if i leveled a hero or pally instead

it will be 2x stronger

LOL

compared to adele

i would reach the dmg cap earlier and can carry my own alts without buff

adele very hard to cap dmg..

[rain girder]

scammed

[haughty heron]

I think this is more of a damage cap issue

Global is really stingy

[zealous lichen]

personally i went to experiment on low lvl alts

hero vs adele

adele = crap

now that im at lv200s with nodes

i compared to my dw

[blazing prism]

well depends on how hard u fund still

[zealous lichen]

adele = crap again

[blazing prism]

did u put as much in ur DW

[zealous lichen]

same amt

[rain girder]

hi zed

[zealous lichen]

i compare the stats

[blazing prism]

good thing i feel the same

bcoz

[rain girder]

6/8

[blazing prism]

i compare w my DA

lol!

[zealous lichen]

28k patk with 270+ cdmg%

BA both no touch

[haughty heron]

You know

When I was playing my guildie DK

[blazing prism]

i think

u shud just play for what u like

[zealous lichen]

dw win because of v2 and styx spam

hero win because of high FD

[haughty heron]

I kind of miss the clunky side of this character

[zealous lichen]

and faster skill animation

adele just feels like in between the avg of good warrior

[haughty heron]

Hero is just FD overload

Haha

[zealous lichen]

yeah man

thats why to compensate

the swords need to hit faster

flying swords gotta be swift and painful

[swift portal]

try it multiple times? and best upload a video. it might be you did't click fast enough on the left

[zealous lichen]

the frame required per animation on per hit needs to be faster and i will be happy about this

[rain girder]

wtf didn't click fast enough?

[zealous lichen]

APM matters

[swift portal]

you can see that in my experiment, even with MD inserted, i still get 734 hits from cleave

yours only have 658

meaning you didn't click it fast enough

[swift portal]

it would be best if you can upload a video, what's your hyper passive?

[rain girder]

15678

[swift portal]

what is this skill?
is this some node skill?

after 200?

[rain girder]

that's ADI man

hyper stat

[swift portal]

this number is much higher in the right picture

[rain girder]

yea ignore it. it's rng proc

doesn't affect anything

it's like it's own skill

[swift portal]

it affects total dps a little bit. maybe you can test it multiple times see if the result is consistent

[rain girder]

ooh there's more hit count with dispatch

[swift portal]

but it could be that the the 7th hyper passive change the game. because if MD's cd reduce from 5s to 3s, it means Cleave itself has more chance to summon MD

I didn't add that point when doing my experiment

[rain girder]

oh you didn't even have that in

well looks to me the difference is small

[swift portal]

yeah try it out many times and you can have your own answer. if small differnce then doesn't matter that much

[swift portal]

well, I only had that on my main and I don't sue my main in this test field so it's not on top of my head

tell me which part my broken clock is wrong

instead of you saying "you are wrong", say "why you are wrong", thank you

be mature

[wanton path]

Erm… I am using both magic dispatch and also aether arms.. because the dispatch from trigger (cleave) due to buff is stackable with magic dispatch (active). Personal preference for me

[wanton path]

And both affected by that cd reduction from hyper

[swift portal]

wow, you call me a broken clock and then saying I attack you

sounds about right

[wanton path]

Hahahah I came to that same conclusion too after playing my Adele to 160. Pally probably far better

At least pally can do 144 with legend weapon and unique armor maxed. Whereas my Adele still struggling in 139 with the same gear

[swift portal]

I don't know where you came from but did I hurt someone your love or what

telling you to be mature is not an attack

you can ask any of your friends

telling you to be mature is a way to help you grow

[swift portal]

yeah, it's effective in bossing

[blazing prism]

just play however u like sir

if u outdps by some adele or better

then adjust urself

[swift portal]

if you knew this is adele forum why talking about broken clock?

i dont remember adele use clock as a weapon

[blazing prism]

the game is for children but doesnt mean u guys shud act like one

[grizzled ginkgo]

Calm down and be humble

[swift portal]

I didn't realize so many children here

[blazing prism]

i drop by on off to learn somethingbut endless quarrel jesus

[swift portal]

hard to deal

where is everyone?

you and the one you love?

that's not everyone my friend

funny kid

[blazing prism]

sometimes. whichever side ur in. ignoring doesnt make u lose. just letting ur self be clever alone

[swift portal]

I'm here to answer questions to someone. and all the children starts to attack me

and I just want to calm them down

[blazing prism]

as i said

sometimes ignoring works

im in MSM warrior discord since 2020
everyone entitled to their own playstyle
only here ppl arguing

[swift portal]

usually I'm busy with other stuff, just today had some free time to chat

[blazing prism]

ya i actually dont care coz i quit n gain nth

but i wan this chat to be clean

[swift portal]

you can search my chat history you can see today is my first chat

and interesting experience

i kinda enjoyed it

yeah I love misinformation

[swift portal]

that's exacltly my purpose. I welcome any new ideas

if you did read through the chat history you should be able to tell I never enforced anyone to be adapted to anything, I just offer opinions, explain my video to whoever have questions, and correct obvious objective mistakes, and reject those hostile provocations.

[blazing prism]

i finish cooking and ur still at it

gosh

ok bye

[swift portal]

bye, have a good day

I think you have no business on how long I chat, if you don't want to chat, don't chat with me. thank you

right, you happy?

so what?

I'm waiting for your next punchline

[swift portal]

Nice!

[swift portal]

Also one piece of advice for you, my friend, since you love giving me advice even though I didn't know you. If you are the one starting the conversation, then you shouldn't be the one complaining about people replying to you. I hope you are not one of the children that you were complaining about.

[icy rose]

imagine saying i pinged u when i never did lol

[swift portal]

well, that's funny

you directly reply my message without explicitly using ping, how does that change the world

right in kids eyes any serious topic is mad.

go cry more

what's your point? I didn't even know you had a point

use more emoji to disguise your madness

i love you

go do your homework, ortherwise you teacher is gonna be mad on monday

yeah I'm done, its your turn now

[icy rose]

do u know what ping means? or u just using interchangeably? lol

also ur presets are still inefficient and don’t produce more total dps as shown by daisr so if anyone is “losing the debate”, it’s you. 💀

u didn’t even put points in the same hyper passives.

[swift portal]

point out I'm wrong please, i love you

really

prove it

make a smile face using your camera and paste it here

or I won't belive

that's my face, not yours

didn't your mom tell you should not steal stuff

you need to pay me $999999

that's why i need money

fund me

[swift portal]

bro I lost interest in arguing with you anymore, things are very obvious. and also if you start with this attitude probblay we could have some constructive conversation

[icy rose]

it’s not an argument lol plenty of ppl here have disagreed with u point blank

[swift portal]

those agree with me don't need to speak. this is called selection bias. go learn statistics pls

[icy rose]

i’m not taking advice from someone making an adele guide who hasn’t played the class to 200 and is making presets that are inefficient and don’t make a noticeable change to dps

[swift portal]

you don't have to, i never forced you

Im offering my opinion, its up to you take it or not

[icy rose]

ok

[swift portal]

yes you are the greatest human being on earth

now it's your motto for the life

remember me when you become famous

"the one who changed my life path"

[blazing prism]

dont tag me. im not interested

[swift portal]

then why you tag me?

I have no idea which corner you came from to give me some "advice"

interesting

[blazing prism]

gosh

move on

[swift portal]

why you still replying dude

I'm not interested in this conversation any more

[blazing prism]

pls dont reply to any of my post im not interested

such a pest

[swift portal]

go mind your own business, please

[blazing prism]

ive been nothing but nice from very beginning

[swift portal]

I have enough with all the stupids here, you giving me headache

[blazing prism]

read my bio n bye

[swift portal]

learn from Meringue, he is funnier

I'm not interested in your bio

stopp bugging me

[icy rose]

for the new adeles: watch @tropic lagoon’s in depth adele guide! https://youtu.be/TduOqm_IiQ0?si=f43we_iFqlwVxaQk

[swift portal]

this is a nice guide

Moonbean puts a lot of effort in her video I can see that

her I/L guide is really good

man it's supposed to be a learning conversation, ruined by all these self-righteous dudes. Even my dog is quieter than that humble guy

[viscid bough]

What kind of hyper skills are you all maxing first?

Not the passives, but those paid skills

[feral harness]

FD first

[swift portal]

depends on how much money you willing to spend

[feral harness]

[viscid bough]

FD = final dmg right?

[feral harness]

Yep!

[viscid bough]

Aight nice!

Yeah I am not spending much on those hypers atm, been spending most on gear

Not sure how much dmg those skills actually add in the long term

[swift portal]

usually either FD or EXP, or some SF

[viscid bough]

Yeah I already have 200+ SF so no need for that

[swift portal]

my personal preference is use a little bit of SF to reach SF180 first, then max EXP, and then FD. because sooner or later you will max EXP the eariler you do it the earlier you benefit from it. but if you aim at bossing a lot, FD is a good choice

[viscid bough]

Hmm yeah I see why you would choose EXP, do you max personal and party EXP?

[swift portal]

should only max personal EXP, Party EXP is very low priority

[viscid bough]

I primarily want to focus on getting levels 😂 never managed to get a character to 200 and this time I am spending big to get there

[swift portal]

cuz as F2P, EXP help you reach higher maps faster, which in turn gives you more mesos to max FD. but FD won't help you get more mesos to MAX EXP

if you are whales then forget about it you can max both at level 180

[viscid bough]

What is the total mesos cost to max per stat?

[swift portal]

now the cost has reduced, it's 2 bil before, now its around 1.6 b

lol, bugs keep biting me huh?

they are not dumb, they can think. so calm down

[viscid bough]

Hmm right, is that because you can only have X amount of hyper points per page?

[feral harness]

It’s because there is a limit to how many points you get

You can only max 3 skills at 200

[viscid bough]

Right, and with a new page you get all the points back

[feral harness]

Your pfp making me hungry

[viscid bough]

Yeah they need to combat inflation somehow I guess 😂

[swift portal]

yeah but I believe as nexon expand more levels, eventually we should be able to max most of them

[viscid bough]

Alright yeah I still think for now I am gonna slowly add points to it and still focus on upgrading my gear more and more

[swift portal]

it's definitely gonna be 300 max level in 1 or 2 years

[feral harness]

That’s still only 8 skills maxed

[swift portal]

right, there are quite some pointless ones tho

[wanton path]

Just take note that hyperstats cost diamonds to reset. So as f2p; you want to avoid that

[swift portal]

yep 50 dimonds each

if you in a good guld can win the GFB every time then 50 is not a huge number

[elder bramble]

@kexia what I showed you above also if you read, I SHOWED you two instances where I did 1 min testing, ONE where you just spam cleave, and ONE where you use cleave and MD preset. The cleave preset alone did more lines then doing MD preset. Where not standing still and not using anything but MD

@swift portal

[swift portal]

looks like the right one does way more dmg? 5B vs 1B? something looks off

[elder bramble]

Different gear

but look at total lines

ones with preset

Ones just cleave spam

[swift portal]

you mean total hit count?

[elder bramble]

Ya

First ones just spamming cleave and other is cleave MD preset

So it’s used on CD

[swift portal]

they both are around 1500 in total...

[elder bramble]

but cleave does more dmg in my first example

So why use preset then?

[swift portal]

the cleave will contribute more the total damage, because it doesn't have cooldown

let me give you an example

suppose one cleave does 10 dmg, one MD does 20 DMG.
without using preset, you can throw 100 cleaves. with MD you can only throw 90 cleaves and 10 MDs.
when you only use cleave, the total damage is 100 x10 = 100
when you use cleave+MD, the toal damge is 90 x10 + 20x10 = 110.
still cleave contributes more to the total damage. but with MD the total dmg is higher

[elder bramble]

You shouldn’t using skill count for this

only Total lines

[swift portal]

but MD and cleave does different mount of DMG each line

[elder bramble]

they both produce 1500 lines right? Like you said

[swift portal]

roughly.

[elder bramble]

with preset 1 I get 200 more lines from cleave correct?

[swift portal]

honestly you don't need to care too mcuh of this detail, just compare the total damage of the 2 methods

and see which one does more total dmg in the end

[elder bramble]

first picture you get 200 more lines correct from cleave

Then presetting

Correct?

[swift portal]

yes. because you only use cleave, so cleave cause more lines

[elder bramble]

okay

[swift portal]

second one because you replaced some cleaves with MD

[elder bramble]

now go check the line count differences

how much difference is it

[swift portal]

so cleave lines decrease, MD lines increase

[elder bramble]

So here

1500 preset 1
1500 preset 2

Preset one has 200 added lines of a skill doing 5.8m dmg

Preset one has 200 added lines of a skill doing 5.4m dmg and 200 reduced lines of 5.8m skill

Which one you think does more total?

In 1 min

[swift portal]

the total damage is already shown there, why do you calculate?

[elder bramble]

To get you to understand

Cause clearly you don’t

Now goodbye

You’ve been arguing with everyone for the last 10 hours

[elder bramble]

From players who know this game well more off then you

[swift portal]

argue is not a bad thing, helps we learn from each other

[elder bramble]

No but you’ve also been disrespecting them

Thinking you know it all

[swift portal]

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you didn't check this?

I don't think I know it all.

I hope someone can prove me wrong

[swift portal]

tell me which sentence I was being disrespecting

[elder bramble]

by your example you didn’t even click it fast enough either?

you hit md 11 times

[swift portal]

you can watch my video from 6:51 to 7:58 see if I clicked fast enough

i don't know why it's so hard for you to do the same test

[elder bramble]

i did?

Why did I hit it 15 times and you only 11?

[swift portal]

your result shows 1B vs 5B total dmg

that's clearly not conducted in a correct way

[elder bramble]

nvm it’s like talking to a wall

Goodbye

[swift portal]

good luck

your 15 probaly becaus you had 7th hyper skill to reduce the cooldown from 5s to 3s

[elder bramble]

Which in your whole argument your saying Md is doing more so why aren’t you even adding it?

If it supposedly does more?

[swift portal]

i wa only 170. added 1 and 2 and 8 first

[elder bramble]

Right

lol ya good luck

But unless you’ve don’t high end bossing etc

Hitting a standstill target dummy means nothing

Cause lots of other factors come into play

[swift portal]

it's the best approximate

but you have a point with the 7th hyper. I think someone mentioned above as well

with the 7th hyper the 2 methods are pretty close

[elder bramble]

If anything your better presetting another skill with cleave to free up a slot on your skill wheel for end game bossing instead of having to add on skill wheel 2

[swift portal]

AB skill wheel still have a lot of empty slots

only the manual one is full

cuz lots of skills are not needed in AB

[elder bramble]

I said end game bossing

[swift portal]

i haven't consider endgame yet. the video was aimed for below lv. 170-

[elder bramble]

You never once mentioned this through your argument?

[swift portal]

I thought taht should be obvious from the video

[elder bramble]

Jesus

[swift portal]

there's no hyper skill added to the wheel

[elder bramble]

No wonder everyone is going off on you

your talking about AB lol

[swift portal]

no, they are going off on me for different reasons

[elder bramble]

Jesus that would of made more sense then why your saying this lol

if you’d had said that

[swift portal]

that's why we need communication when arguing ,not attacking