Battle Mage

[civic arrow]

sick!

[sharp sable]

Nice aesthetic

[dire holly]

Yea!

I was afraid I was going to lose my number 1 spot while I was at work

Number 2 guy had a 146k score but I assumed that was possibly without boss rush?

I was sitting around 191k with br. Could’ve min/maxed more but luckily I didn’t need to

[civic arrow]

next time you gotta hit that 200k

[dire holly]

If there ever is a next time

But I probably won’t be number one by then lol

[snow thistle]

I didn't attack and I lost

[dire holly]

So if no one attacks we both lose. I remember now.

[snow thistle]

Hi all

How real is this?

[dire gazelle]

Erm is there an english translation

Im not used to reading chinese

[dire holly]

Here’s part of it

#1059999522903822386 message

Seems real

[dire gazelle]

Oh

I cant with this apateu

[dire holly]

Huh

[dire gazelle]

The nerf is real

[dire holly]

To what?

[dire gazelle]

Wait thats kmsm

Oh

And 6th job?

[dire holly]

It sort of gives us a preview of what we could get

Shield change is going to be nice for us

[dire gazelle]

Oh i see

[dire holly]

I don't know if it's going to be for 6th job

Maybe future rebalance

Who knows

[dire gazelle]

But this looks like hyper passives

[dire holly]

This shows before and after hyper passives

But essentially shield will now be a group i-frame that shows regardless of your transparency settings

[dire gazelle]

Oh

So a minute will become 2 minute countdown?

[dire holly]

Yup

[dire gazelle]

And from 15 seconds will become active for 10 seconds

Then instead of having phy mag reduction, the shield will become a add 10% magic dmg

[dire holly]

This one may be better to read

From another user who posted in this channel

[dire gazelle]

I think the shield change makes it useless idk

[dire holly]

HUH

It's a group i-frame for up to 10 seconds if you get the hyper

[dire gazelle]

Oh

Wait

So from dmg reduction

It becomes invincibility

[dire holly]

PURE I-FRAME

Yea

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[dire holly]

Will help us get picked for boss runs I hope

[dire gazelle]

Hmm

Would certainly help me burst the boss im still struggling in

[dire holly]

Yea

And with the shield transparency change, I think it should help others see it too????

Hopefully not just for ourselves to see

[dire gazelle]

Maybe

Idk

But it means more clutter

Welp at least we wont be using it in kt

[dire holly]

I have shield on my main skill wheel for bossing

The 20% reduction helps

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[dire holly]

Especially for the bosses I do

And we will certainly be using the new shield in KT

And mu lung too

[dire gazelle]

The shield reminds me of fanum tax like a boss on the boss, stealing their dmg

[dire holly]

I have no idea what the means lol

[dire gazelle]

Oh thats great

Understanding it just means you have brain damage like me so xD thats a good thing

[dire holly]

lol

Welp

Other than the shield change

The other changes are kind of questionable

Altar change seems good

V1 change I think we just got?

150 hyper has me concerned about our off-cooldown dps

And condemnation procs

[wooden dagger]

Ur phone is gunna die

[dire holly]

What this mean

[wooden dagger]

Wait… i meant whoever this device from dis pic

I lowkey thought it was live lmfao

[dire holly]

Oh no it's not lol

It was a post, posted by another user

Let me link you to it

[snow thistle]

Othe change
Mana overload and etherea form

[dire holly]

#1059999522903822386 message

[snow thistle]

Mana overloras no consume mp
And ethereum form 10seg/invencibility, 120seg cd

What is this!!!!

[dire holly]

Huh

Where do you see this?

[snow thistle]

[dire holly]

[snow thistle]

Pach to kmsm

Wait

[dire holly]

Oh I don't see that yet

[snow thistle]

This

will we have 2 immune?
Bubble and ethernal form for 10seg????

🤔

[dire holly]

Ethereal form is not really an i-frame

You can still get stunned or controlled

But this is an interesting change

[snow thistle]

This remove abnormal status

[dire holly]

Oh really??

[snow thistle]

And add invencibility

[dire holly]

That's good!

20 seconds for BaM

[snow thistle]

Yeahhh!!

Now return 80 seg for aura scyte pls :'v

[dire holly]

You think this is coming for 6th job?

[snow thistle]

Yeah

[dire holly]

Hmmmmmm

Maybe BaM will be good now

[snow thistle]

Another thing that could be is that they add the new job

[dire holly]

[snow thistle]

Iel

iel new job exclusive

[dire holly]

Oh yea I think they annouced that in the msm video already

But it's coming with 6th job?

[snow thistle]

could be

I'm waiting for any surprise

What do you think?

Sex job and new job?? O one for one!!

[dire holly]

Hmmm

Probably just one

Not both

We will see

[snow thistle]

This aniversary surprise

[dire holly]

🤔

[cosmic ice]

Gloom will be slightly harder if you struggled rn surviving darkness 😅

And of you done it iframe free, you could continue dps on Lazer so that's nice

[civic arrow]

Anyone know if they ever gave BaM the altar change pc got on kmsm?

[unborn vale]

I don’t think they have that single altar thing yet

But hopefully we get it

[dire holly]

Refresh my memory

If I remember it right, it looks like it could be bad for bossing but better for farming?

[unborn vale]

I think better for bossing as it can be summoned or moved anytime

[civic arrow]

yeah its better for both . on pc it has 0 cd and the aoe on it is huge so you never have to worry about dark brand anymore unless you just never press altar lol

[dire holly]

The animation was so ugly though

[cosmic ice]

Pexp'ed to the max, just to see my boi running around watching all the normies get the kills with half my pexp 🥹

I swear with a decent mobber I would've been 250 by now 😤

[dire holly]

Gotta up your speed next

Wait what’s your base pexp? That’s with hot time and party exp buff??

[civic arrow]

what?!?! I actually like it lol its like a bunch of purple balls popping out

[dire holly]

It’s mad ugly

Should’ve been a scythe swing

Like a reaper statue that comes alive and reaps anything in its vicinity

[civic arrow]

even ourselves

to end our misery

[dire holly]

Yea I just don’t think it matches the bam aesthetic

It matches our current altar animation but it’s just ugly

I’ll even take crescent waves over balls

Something like this would look so much better in my opinion

[cosmic ice]

Probs near 140% and + 10 from the event buff, had fever and rune on ht for the SS . Besides higher sf in the exp gear I don't think it goes higher (also guild attributes are maxed)

[civic arrow]

honestly that would be sick

[wooden dagger]

How the helly

[cosmic ice]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-buy-buying-credit-card-card-gif-17790008651980523004

when ever there anything exp related

all other stuff are scams

i was sleeping on levels till recently lol didnt realize how big of a difference there is between just being 230 to 240. let alone 250 is required soon

[civic arrow]

Exp is king especially if you arent 250 yet

[cosmic ice]

job +gear transfer 🤭 what you going RR to

lol we might have less than 10 different jobs at the top 100 of each server if its true

[unborn vale]

Ho young or Ark?

[cosmic ice]

blaster cadena 😂

[junior egret]

Actually just gear transfer not job transfer

• probably only tradeable gear so your accessoires are still locked

[cosmic ice]

dafuq

lol who asked for that

gear never was an issue for RR

always level/symbol/skill ewlvel and ACEEs

[junior egret]

Well we don't know for sure

But I'm assuming it's gonna be that

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-squashing-my-dreams-stop-chadwick-boseman-saturday-night-live-snl-gif-11620205

[junior egret]

Squash

[cosmic ice]

tbh nearly useless. only thing i can think of is buying a cheap "perfect" singular weapon of a dead class and trasfer it to a proper class

[unborn vale]

So i can rr easily

[civic arrow]

Damn no rerolling hypers Q_Q

[unborn vale]

I assume this patch/rebalance will be the party shield update?

[junior egret]

August/September

[unborn vale]

Then I’ll finally be a support?

Unless I’m cadena by then

[cosmic ice]

See you on cadena forum 😂

I guess we have time to catch up to 250 before hexa coming , kinda wanted it sooner tho 🥺 atleast we have a proper roadmap now

[dire holly]

Need now!

I wanna feel useful!

[civic arrow]

Me af

[gilded oriole]

Dang y’all actually going to reroll?

[civic arrow]

debating on it. they wont reroll they to high level lol

[weak bay]

Hihi. May I ask that can BaM's 10s sheild prevents dmg from Ark screen crack?

Never try myself cuz my BaM isn't 200 yet.

[unborn vale]

Yea Ark crack / lotus push in phase 2&3 / mu lung all damage

That’s it

[weak bay]

Woww, BaM and some people in shield can survive crack then

Thank you so much

[unborn vale]

Oh and Lucid golems in phase 1, i forgot that one

[civic arrow]

Hey look someone hyped about BaM

[weak bay]

lmao BaM is in my hyper burning list

want to complete all mages to 200+ haha

[unborn vale]

I think shield becomes full party iframe after the rebalancing patch

[dire holly]

Need now!

[unborn vale]

Not long to wait until we finally are support

🤣

[rigid frost]

How’s BM guys? I want to RR and play BM but last I checked they needed a heavy buff

[civic arrow]

Just fyi
BM=Bow Master
BaM=Battle Mage

[civic arrow]

I would only rr if you like the class . If you are wanting good dmg ,mobbing , or support then I would pick a better option. Im currently lvl 213 so maybe the 240+ guys have a different take. But this is just my current experience with the class

[cosmic ice]

Honestly you prob new to the game. Just wait 5days you will be able to get a 220 char easily and choose w.e

And no BaM is not a class to play if you looking for "good class".

[rigid frost]

What’s the top mage class atm? @cosmic ice

I just want a decent class, not chasing meta. bam seems fun but wanted to make sure it’s decent with good gear

[cosmic ice]

go bishop , might get into parties earlier

[unborn vale]

Culvert update after abso weapon hit this week

• 30k basically

[wooden dagger]

Umbr weap next week hit?

[unborn vale]

Wonder who will be first

Not me

[cosmic ice]

wth. i was chaos user and had much less of an effect to my score..

gartz tho

hitting abso weapon got me from like 43k~ to 48-50~ back when i hit it

[unborn vale]

My finishing blow average damage has gone up a lot with the extra attack

And dark shock / DG too

[cosmic ice]

yeah... but they aint getting you 40-50% of your total BA
lol feels like we playing different classes, the fomo hits me rn like wheres this gap from 🫠

[unborn vale]

Yea not sure how it didnt boost your score much

Its an enormous boost

[dire holly]

is that level 50 as well?

[unborn vale]

44

[dire holly]

And your previous best before that was 68k?

[unborn vale]

Yea 🤣

[dire holly]

What in the world

[unborn vale]

Skill issue maybe

[dire holly]

I’m curious what I could hit with an abso wep now

I think my current best is around 87.5 with necro lvl 40

You also got the abso set bonus too right?

[unborn vale]

It has brought my finishing blow much higher up the damage analysis

[unborn vale]

Yea 7 set finally

[dire holly]

Yea the extra ied will help a ton as well

I’m still 2 abso away from 7set

But my shoes are being stubborn

[unborn vale]

I cant find my analysis before

But FB was not so high

This was gloom

[dire holly]

Hmm

Lower skill damage is probably showing there

At least during the last two phases

I don’t really know the difference between abso/necro weapon stats, so I assumed the ied helped more than the weapon itself?

[unborn vale]

I guess its another 5k matk and 25% (i think) CD

And then 3k matk and 3% ied from 7set bonus

Almost 10k total matk boost i think

[dire holly]

That’s actually quite good

🤔

44% improvement (according to your culvert score) should push me to around 126k

[unborn vale]

I always feel like i was doing something wrong in culvert 🤣

I might be a bad example but either way its a big boost

[dire holly]

Do you do the corner strategy still?

[unborn vale]

Yea

This time i did also wait for the buffs to trigger with v1 etc

Like start culvert when they have 20s cooldown to go

Master of death and the CD one

[dire holly]

[dire holly]

Right now I just do the dodging strategy. As far as using our v1 and everything, I just use 150 hyper at the start since it lasts longer than v1/v4, and then I use the rest of my burst skills near the start of stage 5.

I don’t necessarily time my ds4 or anything like that, but I do time time my buffs in a way that allows me to have the burst at the last 40 seconds or so of culvert

To me, it sounds like you’re using a few of your buffs on pets, but I have like 4 skills that I use manually; 150 hyper, v1, v4, and the skill that boosts fd

[unborn vale]

Interesting, yea hyper and the FD buffs are on pets

I manual the others but timing wise pretty much same as you normally

[dire holly]

Yea I think your way gives you more time to attack due to the cast times, but doing it manually gives you a little bit more control; this may help with dps in bossing as well

[unborn vale]

I’ll give it a go

Especially if it’s changing soon

But tbc what that might be

[dire holly]

Hopefully it helps

And yea, the new changes will be interesting to see as well

[rigid frost]

Congrats!!

[cosmic ice]

Jokes a side , next time we get gear transfer I might be fully movie mg to Lynn ... They made her as op as she is on pc 😅

[dire holly]

O7

Her cleanse is quite nice

Heal too but I don’t know if it’ll even work in vhilla

[cosmic ice]

no healings in vhila besides the mech (unless we getting familliars to msm which i hope we WONT cuz this is some crazy p2w system i dont wanna look into lol)

theards & cleanse mechanic

lol im so jealous of dumping all your burst in 5 sec while being able to sustain iframe every burst

[cosmic ice]

ithink for a change, we actully good at mobbing in the new erda thing?
the v2 & v4 seems to do some decent job

went abit "cheap" and kept my exp at 392.9 (maxed on fever) + few sec delay till i poped em from first place

ithink i should also add some magic atk&damage buffs too, the non-crits not 1shoting

[dire gazelle]

12m!??!?!?!?!?

Thats some crazy exp

[cosmic ice]

you can get more if you have proper pexp on HT 🙂

[dawn python]

I don’t think pxp works in that dungeon and unless you are overflowing with buffs, I’d say don’t use any except maybe the 10% from mu lung. The payoff is low on xp buff since you get 1300% base buff.

I view this dungeon as the perfect place to park your char after evening ht until you wake up. No need to worry about parties non ht since those can be pretty flimsy.

But you are right about mobbing. We definitely do a lot better here than af fields. Since just two platforms and our v2 really can hold it down. Seems to be neck and neck with my da now in this dungeon. Better than my phantom for sure.

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[unborn vale]

Ive been using FT in this dungeon to make sure i 1hit everything

Instead of my utgard staff

But yea 2 platform high spawn rate is lovely for us

[gilded oriole]

the mobs are tanky tanky

[dawn python]

You can 1hko in this dungeon? Op.

[unborn vale]

Now i need to fact check myself 🤣

[cosmic ice]

I meant, you can get higher rates as for raw exp numbers if you have pexp on AF maps. I'm pretty sure I get like 14m on weekends HT

Also the exp there is from how quickly you get into spawning bosses and clear them .
So yeah... Chaos exp weapon is lacking and you want to get damage buffs to min.max

[cosmic ice]

soloing will if you aint 100m++ mdc as a bam seems impossbie
the summmmons not contributing to fill up the activation skill , and you need to commit your "burst time" to do the cleansing cuz thats the only time you can charge it up...

[unborn vale]

Haven’t even tried it yet

[gilded oriole]

wait so were you 1 shotting those mobs in the new dungeon

[unborn vale]

Unconfirmed

I doubt it after being questioned

🤣

[dire gazelle]

Whats an FT

Oh necro?

Fair trade i see

[cosmic ice]

Anyone here tried solo will as a BaM/ expiranced enough to maybe see what I'm doing wrong at p3 ?

[rigid frost]

Haven’t tried yet, I’m also a floater in p3

[unborn vale]

I tried too and kept getting 1 shot in p3

Then too many webs

[cosmic ice]

https://youtu.be/USaO0M2ngWM thats one of my attempts, rn i can get to like 15% hp left~~
but unless i understand how to managed that gauge (if its even possible and you aint sopused just to burst it in 2min) idk if ican pass it

^ ignore p2 , game was trolling

[cosmic ice]

you can kill p3 under the time the webs are full for sure. im 7Xm mdc

i think you need to intentionally get hit by the "small" attacks to have your gauge filled...
i cant understand how and why they keep changing the mechanic of each boss to the worst from the original pc version... why not just keeping it going up by landing attacks on will and thats it

[unborn vale]

I will try it again, it was just practice mode but i kept dying for some reason

[dire holly]

Do you know how to dodge the spider bite?

I'm trying to solo it but I have no idea how to dodge the spike

[dire holly]

Ok I think I figured it out but I cannot clear webs fast enough

[unborn vale]

How do you avoid the bite?

[dire holly]

You kinda just have to battle burst

[cosmic ice]

Yeah , and it's alot of latency related , I posted my pov you can watch it and adjust it to you (I'm playing with like 200 ping)

[dire holly]

Yea..

Only problem right now is dealing with the charge meter

[cosmic ice]

If you can kill under 3 min , you don't need to bother too much

[dire holly]

You have to dodge spider legs to build charge, but you also have to deal with Will spider attacks

[cosmic ice]

3min is what it takes to full cover the screen with some minimal web cleaning

[dire holly]

On a good run I can get there with about 5-6 minutes

But managing the charge for the webs is rough

I think it's one of those scenarios where you only use it when needed

[cosmic ice]

Yeah same. It's just dps test cuz they didn't bother adjust it to solo mode

[dire holly]

And then changing out Will skill for erda nova

[cosmic ice]

I'm 72-3m ish mdc

And I get him to 10min with a near "perfect" run

10% HP *

[dire holly]

I haven't gotten it that low

I need to practice phase 3 more

[cosmic ice]

Yeah. Annoying as well how the tests are all time based still

So even if you 90mil mdc you get to p3 around the same as me

[dire holly]

Yea

Speaking of tests

The problem with BaM is that our non-burst is so bad

[cosmic ice]

I think even with infinite damage you can't reach p3 under 6min (9min left)

[dire holly]

We have to rely on our burst to get to each test

[cosmic ice]

It's also, as a mean clear

It's not just "waiting to burst cd". It's waiting, and having to sustain it alive for 40sec

https://youtu.be/USaO0M2ngWM?si=VNKVU52mQ4Bfe3m1

That's my pov from the week it came out , I did like 3 runs after it and I do it much better now, but not enough still. I'll probably have to unlock another matrix slot

[dire holly]

I think you are able to remove a node for erda nova (stun) that would help a lot

Like in p3 you can stun right away and focus on dodging spider legs to build up the guage

Main thing is focusing on keeping a guage rather than dps (assuming you have the time for it)

[cosmic ice]

The thing is, I'm not sure what makes the gauge fill

Cuz it's not by time.

On pc-its based on hits on boss, here I think you actually need to get hit (?)
You also get gauge reduced by some hits

[dire holly]

It's lines and it does also fill up over time as well

And yes, spider legs reduce your guage

Problem is, is that the guage fills up so slow in p3 compared to the other two phases in solo

[cosmic ice]

My take is that they badly adjusted the boss mechanics to mobile, and not at all for mobile solo mode

[dire holly]

I think if they made the guage fill faster in p3 it would be doable

[cosmic ice]

When will came out I was 1000% sure the times tests on p1 were a bug

Timed

Also the super delayed disappearing of will on p1 has no place while they kept the forces room changing

The not being able to assign the gauge skill is also so silly.

Just very lazy work by em , not whatyou expect from a game that has bought out 300$ packages 😅

[cosmic ice]

Will you run this sweaty boss on a weekly basis the way it is? It ain't even fun , and on top of it even tho the ratio is fully kept (it's party will 1:10) they decided the main drop won't be achieved from 🤭

[dire holly]

You can assign it on pc app

The only reason why I tried to solo it this week is because some things happened that caused my team to skip it for the week

@cosmic ice Deleting that message lol

Yea pc app I'm pretty sure you can change key

But it's default on "g"

[unborn vale]

Interesting

[wise gazelle]

Just wanted to say I respect how committed you guys are to BaM. Just made one and it’s fun for sure, but I can definitely see how other mages can out damage these guys. Still the coolest mage imo

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Wait for our nerf next week

🤣

[dire gazelle]

Yeah im actually surprised people actually even is this dedicated to msm as a game, i cant even stay for a full month LOL

I usually stop logging in when theres nothing interesting

[wise gazelle]

It’s all about community!! Got the guildies

[wise gazelle]

Actually 👀. I saw Chinese patch notes I think yall getting a buff from the looks of it

[unborn vale]

Keeping my expectations low 😅

I think most characters getting buffed from what i see. Line buffs and stuff

[wise gazelle]

Want me to send a SS to you or did you already check it out?

[unborn vale]

Is it this one?

[wise gazelle]

Yeah that’s the one

[unborn vale]

I would be happy

[wise gazelle]

Yeah I don’t think it would make them a top tier mage, but it’s a step in the right direction

[sharp sable]

Omfg lol these changes are crazy

@dire holly can finally do V1 + speed aura on pet

• Visual shell for everyone to see

• a more bursty v2

• faster scythe hits from 150 hyper

Damn maybe I shouldn't RR to Lynn

[unborn vale]

That is already live now

[sharp sable]

Wait W T F

Since when!!!!!!

[unborn vale]

Either last or 2 patches ago

🤣

[sharp sable]

Omg ty that's huge

[unborn vale]

Hopefully we get these though

[unborn vale]

Yea it was a sneaky ‘other improvement’

[unborn vale]

Someone will need to tell me how to use the 150 hyper if this changes

Preset with v1 and v4?

[sharp sable]

Yeah that sounds about right. If new duration is only 30s.

[unborn vale]

Cool to see if this happens as i play with 100% skill visibility

Reaper gonna be popping

[sharp sable]

Ayooo what how the hell do you see what's happening in boss fights LOL

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-dapaah-the-ting-goes-skrrra-gif-14220753

[unborn vale]

I dont

I started doing it to see the altars but now im used to it

[sharp sable]

I have it at 100% for ABing but bossing I do 20% lmao

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[dire gazelle]

I do 10% for both as its really laggy

Delays + lag spikes = too op

[dire holly]

I already do this with 150 hyper, v1, fd buff, and v4

Idk how anyone bosses with transparency above 0% lol

[sharp sable]

Wish there was a way to auto turn off battle rage during AB though

At least we can auto turn it on with your pet autobuff/bossing preset now

[dire holly]

this would be good, but I think what they did in pc was increase the target count

Currently in mobile I think it's limited to 3, but I would consider leaving it on pets if they increased it to 9/10

[sharp sable]

ooooo that's pretty good

[dire gazelle]

0% is kinda iffy imo as i cant even know what skill my character is using

My delay is that crazy

[dire gazelle]

I dont even turn off the BR xD

I use it to like leech a little

Actually no, i leeched quite alot

Considering i could of taken care of more mobs at once

But leaving that skill on means only 3 every time unless its condemnation time

[unborn vale]

I need to try this

Do you have it on preset that casts all at once? Or you hold down

[dire holly]

I have it on preset but it doesn’t cast all at once

It goes in order so there’s a bit of a delay in dps

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-hmmm-thinking-one-second-let-me-think-gif-15838250914742163450

Well i definitely need to do it if that hyper change is coming

[dire holly]

Yea.. I think I’ll have to readjust the order because I have 150 hyper set to fast first

But if it’s going to be 30 seconds long I might need to put it last

[cosmic ice]

Yeah I also changed recently to buff preset + sequence, I'm not sure how good it is, the delay is Abit long

Considering to go back to spam tapping

Doubt they will improve it anytime soon too 🥲 took 20+ years for that to come to PC version and the only reason it did is there are just too many skills rn to even fit properly on the keyboard for some classes 😂

[unborn vale]

Some good testing needed !

Would be nice if it could cast all 4 skills like they were on pets

With a single press

[wise gazelle]

What hypers do you guys lvl after you max finishing blow and boss aura? Do I lvl party shield hyper?

Persist or cooldown cutter?

[unborn vale]

Possibly worth waiting until next week just in case it changes, but I have done the shield persist

If its changed to an iframe ill do persist and cooldown cutter

[wise gazelle]

I see, is the patch next week?

Or assumed it is because they said it would be August?

[unborn vale]

Assuming so but haven’t seen anything official

Could be next month i guess

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

we got BA of how this effects us from kms or msthing? do i wanna re-push my will solo attempts before the change? or is it a buff that will probably be the clearing factor

the idea of removal of mini burst and making a "bigger" burst looks good. too bad i see nothing mentioning the noodle staff effect in-between

[unborn vale]

Worth trying still pre patch i guess

Not sure if our changes would make much impact apart from the shield

[cosmic ice]

oh im lacking damage, i had my perfect (atleast from how i see it) run and it was somwhere around the 5-10% hp left, no deaths till the web timeout.
ithink theres this guy echo , also posted arun with a DS simillar stats with me. only reason he cleared was that after the time out DS could stay iframed during his burest for few sec. which not possible to us sadly

[unborn vale]

Yea i saw that

Iframe and burst together hacks

I think in the next update ethereal form becomes a 10s iframe as well

So we go from 0s to 20s

[wise gazelle]

What is your gear looking like?@cosmic ice

[cosmic ice]

73m mdc

[dire holly]

Huh

You mean 5 to 20?

[sharp sable]

[unborn vale]

Full iframe though

[cosmic ice]

the common skill isnt a true iframe

its more like mana shield, you will still get all debuffs

[sharp sable]

Tell em yoni

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-not-for-long-not-long-for-now-gif-26792451

[wise gazelle]

So I wonder if we’re getting the balance next week or the next update. They didn’t mention it at all during the DevTalk

[unborn vale]

I’m guessing end of September now

[dire holly]

[gilded oriole]

He said a lot of stuff coming August and future updates was not discussed or even on the roadmap. Very promising vid tho tbf

[wise gazelle]

Is there a recommendation for trinodes? Doesn’t seem like there are a lot of pins on it

[dire gazelle]

What skills do you use? Exclude anything you dont use

[unborn vale]

I just have finishing blow, dark gen, dark shock, sweeping staff and condemnation

[unborn vale]

You could get battle burst in there for 6 skills but i never use it

[dire gazelle]

Yeah its a very awkward thing

[cosmic ice]

^ helps to teleport faster if you need to horizontal cross map in bossing

also you dont take touch damage doing so , so it helps in dojo

it has its uses 😅 its also easier to dodge will p3 bigspider leg attack with it

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[sharp sable]

See

[cosmic ice]

Saw the glimpse of bam model before reading the title ... Got me excited for a sec 😅

Good changes tho

[neat berry]

what are hypers for this class?

[dire holly]

Depends where gear is at, but it’s finishing blow reinforce, extra line, weakening aura for the first three (not in any order)

Last two, again are based on your gear. I currently have the last two in shield (cooldown reduction and duration), but if you want a little more dps you could put one point in finishing blow crit damage and then one in shield (probably cooldown reduction?)

[dire holly]

6 set abso (no abso wep yet) (full buff + 50%, no br)

[cosmic ice]

Wdym no br lol get that 100k 🫠

Gartz

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/flexing-my-muscles-isaiah-isaiah-photo-im-strong-kissing-my-biceps-gif-12949692915831630668

[dire holly]

100k possible once I get Will pocket accessory, or abso wep, or both

[dire holly]

Oh the event is helping too so there’s that

[rigid frost]

What’s your current SC @cosmic ice ?
I’m same mdc as you

[cosmic ice]

havent done a proper run in a long time. should be around the 70's without the event buffs. i belive icould do 80-90 with the ied buffs

[sonic plank]

Cleared solo Gloom with 39m mdc

https://youtu.be/pQt-NLxZpgU?si=JNeLWJ3Uqi9UfpF3

[rigid frost]

Woahhh 90! Tell me howwwww!

[unborn vale]

Best i got at the moment

[rigid frost]

nice!!

[hollow moon]

Good job mela!!

[sonic plank]

Techniques I Learned From Bossing (For New BaMs)

1. Abyssal Lighting provides about a 2-second iframe, which can be used to safely set up a burst
2. TP can be used multiple times while in the air, e.g., buy time in Gloom darkness, dodge Damien dives, avoid Damien orbs
3. Battle Burst + Finish Blow (animation cancel) + TP allows for quick horizontal movement
4. Upper Jump + TP Up allows for quick vertical movement
5. Dark Genesis damage mostly comes from its passive; removing it improves mobility without sacrificing dps
6. Finish Blow can be cast while in the air
7. Abyssal Lighting can be used again to summon team portals

Don't give up on BaM, she's not weak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTS408KJtOc&t=200s

[hollow moon]

Very close

[dire holly]

Updated

[unborn vale]

Dam strong bam’s out here

[snow thistle]

@dire holly hey bro one question

Is it advisable to change passive hyper skill points?

Point to bubble for auras?

[dire holly]

You have too many in fb. Need to change fb cd to weakening

[snow thistle]

Ohhhh!!

Other change?

What aura use for boss? Dark o weakening?

[unborn vale]

Weakening

[snow thistle]

Ok thx

[outer crane]

Hi everyone
Long time no see

[unborn vale]

Hello sir

How strong are you now? 😆

I finally made 100m mdc

[outer crane]

Wow

[outer crane]

I think I’m like 120m mdc

You’re almost as strong as I am

[unborn vale]

Hoping we get nice changes in the rebalance next week

[outer crane]

Yup look forward to it

[unborn vale]

I hope they give us the 10 second party iframe for shield

And ethereal form to 10s iframe

[outer crane]

I think we’ll get that for sure

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

[sharp sable]

3min cd tho =/ =/

[unborn vale]

Yea pretty long!

I guess you could do shield and ethereal back to back

For 20s full bursting

[dire holly]

3m at lvl 1 right?

Because current ethereal, if you level it, is 60 seconds

Current Ethereal is quite good for will orb test

[unborn vale]

Oh yea good point it might be level 1

Assume so?

Wonder if that means it’s 2 or 2,5 min at level 30

[dire holly]

Yea I’m pretty sure it’s because it’s level 1

Should be 2 at 30

[unborn vale]

We’ll be like a real warrior

Iframe galore

[sharp sable]

Oh no idea, that would be good

2min cd is a little better

[unborn vale]

We got a lot of changes 😮

V2 now single altar

https://forum.nexon.com/MapleStoryMGlobal/board_view?board=2690&thread=3150059

Dark genesis an iframe

[unborn vale]

Need a new skill wheel for this

[dire holly]

Dark Genesis I-frame hmmmm

Altar change is going to be interesting. I’m curious if the dps of it will be on par with the old

It’ll definitely help with farming. Animation is ugly though

[unborn vale]

Yea i wonder if DG needs to go back on skill wheel now

Maybe just for the panic iframe

And i need to put the 150 hyper on skill wheel finally

[dire holly]

It 100% does but maybe on second page

That’s where I keep ethereal form as well

[dire holly]

Yea I gotta readjust my buff preset. I currently have 150 set to go off first due to the duration, but now it might have to go last

[unborn vale]

In preset with v1 and v4 maybe?

[unborn vale]

Interesting

I will play around later

[dire holly]

I have… 150, v1, v4, and fd vskill in one preset (not in that order)

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[dire holly]

I feel like our off-burst dps is going to be really bad now lol

[unborn vale]

I guess the same as now

I’m surprised this v2 change happened

I thought it was far away

[dire holly]

Slightly worse due to 150 hyper duration change

Yea I wonder how they’re going to implement the new altar summoning

Or rather, what’s the cooldown to reactivate it because that was one of the biggest problems in bossing with the old v2

For example, in Will when you place altars down and change rooms you couldn’t replace it until it fully expired

[unborn vale]

I think it’s like 5s cooldown

I was thinking this, great for Will and scramble

[dire holly]

There’s no mention of it in the patch notes so I’m hoping it’s what you mentioned or 0 seconds lol

[unborn vale]

Very good patch for us i guess

[unborn vale]

Interested by v3 too

[dire holly]

60 hit count? Am I reading into this right?

[unborn vale]

I guess so

[dire holly]

Are the projectiles like orbitals?

Like it seeks nearest target?

[dire holly]

V3 still has the same duration (?) so should be a lot better

It’s more than 2x lines for only 2x cooldown

[unborn vale]

I haven’t seen any videos of v2 😱

Full surprise

Its gonna be annoying casting everything for burst

Hyper, v1, v4, FD buff, v3, Infantry and Will skill

Hopefully faster casting

[dire holly]

Animation is awful

The projectiles need to change to mini crescents and not orbs

[dire holly]

Yea I do all this currently and it’s quite bad because you lose like 3-4 seconds just casting skills

And with how short 150 hyper will be you can’t afford to cast v3/infantry/Will skill after it

Has to be done before

[unborn vale]

Hmm

Let’s see how this goes tomorrow

[weary vapor]

😩 The 10% hp recovery was the favorite thing about my bam

[cosmic ice]

Hell yeah lol I called for this for years 😂

Anyone a quick tldr on patch notes ? Hyped but without time tomdrill on 😅

[unborn vale]

Everyone gets iframes (we now have 4 incl ethereal)
Mythic powders and uniq/leg equips from elite dungeon

2 new character slots for the burning event
Loads of vmatrix slots

[outer crane]

[dire holly]

Everything ok?

[outer crane]

Still testing

[dire holly]

Is it bad?

I downloading game right now

[dire holly]

Having just a single altar looks so weird LOL

Altar duration is quite nice (120 seoncds)

[dire holly]

Post reblanace update (no event ied/stats, no boss rush pot). Couple of mistakes made

[unborn vale]

V3 is big gains

[dire holly]

Very burst heavy now. Cannot afford to miss a single attack

[unborn vale]

Need to cast it last too? Only 20s long

[dire holly]

Yea

[unborn vale]

So infantry/Will skill, then v1,v4 final damage and hyper buffs, then v3

🤣

[dire holly]

I honestly think that you could cast it after using burst buffs

It should cap so no point wasting time casting it during your 30/40 second burst

Unless you do it beforehand

[unborn vale]

Good point

Trying to decide the best skill wheel

[dire holly]

It should be more or less the same as to what you have now

If you had a buff preset you can just add a couple more skills to that

Just need to rearrange the order

[unborn vale]

Didn’t have any buffs on my wheel XD

[dire holly]

Let's see what you got

[unborn vale]

I only put DG in front page to test the iframe this morning

Unsure about where that goes

Maybe v3 as a separate skill goes there and DG can go in my preset with infantry and Will

[dire holly]

The spot where you have v4 is good

Just place the rest of the buffs in there

[unborn vale]

Yea that is with v1 and the 2 buffs

[dire holly]

Have ethereal form/dark genesis on second page; not sure how good of an i-frame dg is either

[unborn vale]

Its good in emergency… but timing is key after my tests

[dire holly]

Also, you can get rid of battle rage and put that onto pet now

[dire holly]

Yea.. I just wonder how long it is, because because i-frame timing for their genesis skill was mentioned

Think theirs went from like 1.4sec down to 0.7sec or so

So I think it may be close to the same as theirs

[unborn vale]

Yea seems like that

Assume the changes to it dont warrant it hitting the main rotation? Havent tries yet but will check

[dire holly]

Hmm

I think that it could probably go into your main skill preset seeing that it ignores dr

The thing is that the cast time is quite long so you may suffer a dps loss

But in return you gain a really small i-frame periodically

[unborn vale]

Worth a test

[dire holly]

Yea gotta test it in dummy later

On another note

What do you think of v2 so far?

[unborn vale]

Really like it

Just need to get used to it

[dire holly]

It's....

Overall good

[dire holly]

I don't know if the dps is better or worse than before though

But it has really good range

Only downside I noticed so far is that the orb prioritization is kinda bad in bossing

It doesn't actually priorize boss

[dire holly]

Yea it's quite good in farming

[unborn vale]

Oh really

[dire holly]

Yea. Definitely something worth mentioning in feedback channel

I can see it being a significant dps loss in certain bosses

Ooh I'm not sure if the new v2 still applies branding...

Need to test that as well

[unborn vale]

🫣 🫣

[dire holly]

Oh nvm it still does

It's just not in the skill description but it is listed near the very bottom

[outer crane]

It’s a buff for BaM

[dire holly]

Yea damage seems a little better

[outer crane]

I think it’s better

[dire holly]

Better auto battle too

[outer crane]

Yes cause V2 changed

[dire holly]

Yea v2 good in farming

But v2 in bossing a little worse

Because it can hit mobs

[outer crane]

Hyper skill I recommend
35789 for those whose finishing blow can hit to the cap
13578 for those who cannot

[dire holly]

Ooh 9 hyper over 20% fd on fb hmm

[outer crane]

I updated new tested videos
But sorry I don’t have time to translate into English
If you guys have any questions after watching it, just ask me anytime

https://youtu.be/gDAUZ_RV0n4?si=I607s7A7T8WK6QnH

https://youtu.be/HEegyT7HW1c?si=HtJPLwazBFberG--

[dire holly]

Will watch soon

[outer crane]

The first film is to explain Hyper Skill “Master of Death”

[dire holly]

Make sure to equip "Battle "Rage" on pet now too

No more target limit

[outer crane]

Yes

[sharp sable]

isnt v4 an iframe too? 😮

[dire holly]

It's insignificant because of how short it is

And it doesn't make sense to cast it outside of the rest of your burst buffs just for a tiny i-frame

Right now we have potentially 3 usable i-frames: Party Shield, Ethereal Form, and Dark Genesis

[sharp sable]

ya agreege

[dire holly]

Dark Genesis, if we base it off of the bishop's i-frame (Genesis), should have somewhere between a 0.5-1 second i-frame

If timed correctly it could be useful

[snow thistle]

Hi all

[sharp sable]

IDK HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE TINY BALLS

i miss the old animation

im sure ill get used to it

[dire holly]

I feel like it would look better if they were crescent-shaped

[snow thistle]

any changes to passive hyper skills?

[dire holly]

Or spinning scythes?

[sharp sable]

spinning scythes would be siiiiiiiick

[dire holly]

1/3/5/7/8

[dire holly]

Feedback it

[snow thistle]

and what new presets will be used now for the new skills?

[snow thistle]

[dire holly]

Same as before but you need buff preset

v1/150 hyper/fd buff/v4 (not correct order)

[snow thistle]

Can you show me what the correct presets will be?

to have a reference of mine

[dire holly]

This is what I have but it could be wrong

need to test more

[snow thistle]

Uhmmm....I use Battle Rage as a pet

And blessing

[dire holly]

Yes

Battle rage no more target limit

Blessing I think you need in preset

[outer crane]

Better manual 150 hyper now

[dire holly]

Yea

[snow thistle]

Ok

I use these preset skills so I want to see which ones to improve.

[dire holly]

All bad

[snow thistle]

I'm 44m mdc and I make 47k in sharenian culvert

[dire holly]

#1 need to remove Dark Genesis

#2 Needs blessing/150hyper

#3 remove v2, put v2 on its own

[snow thistle]

And skill of will?

[dire holly]

With #3

[snow thistle]

Ok

Blessing and hyper 150 remove of pet

[dire holly]

Yes

This is for bossing only

For farming you can put on pet

[snow thistle]

Dark genesis use alone?

[dire holly]

I think so

might put on #1 but not sure yet

But better to use alone if you can

Need to put on page 2 though

[snow thistle]

why the iframe?

[dire holly]

Iframe too short

Like 0.5 second to 1 second

If you pro you put alone on second page

[snow thistle]

at the exact moment it can be just right

[dire holly]

Yea but hard

[snow thistle]

Hahaha ok

I have to change all my buttons xD

[dire holly]

lol

[snow thistle]

[dire holly]

Mine the same

No change for me

[snow thistle]

Thx bro

[dire holly]

You're welcome

[snow thistle]

I need to improve my performance to go to will possibly this week

[dire holly]

Oh nice!

Shield good now

[snow thistle]

Yes shield and eternal form 10 seg inmune

[snow thistle]

I have a question, does the bubble make the entire party invincible?

[dire holly]

Shield party i-frame too

Yes

[snow thistle]

Ohhhh!!! Niceeee!!

[dire holly]

Still need to be inside

But good thing people can see it now

[snow thistle]

Yeahh xD

[cosmic ice]

I start with v4 to be iftamed while casting the rest (also it starts to deal damage sooner)

[dire holly]

seems like such bad use of its duration though

Don't really think there's any good way to fully utilize the duration of every skill

One possible way would be to to base it off how much dps it brings to the table

So it would probably going something like this: fd buff, v4, v1, 150 hyper

[cosmic ice]

i mean if you dont cap the line probably, dont see it happening with all the new vmatrix slots we gotten unlocked now. (all the common skills we can just throw in gives ALOT of m.att)

having a 30sec full dps duration on a boss is extremely rare. i rather get the most lines as possbile rather min.max on few k's per line and losing 3 sec of v4 procs (while testing i found it the most efficent damage wise)

[dire holly]

Hmmm yea skill timing will be different in different content

Like in culvert or mu lung

You’ll want to cast all burst buffs at or around the same time

In bosses where capping is slightly easier you could probably split the timings

V1 cast alone, and then when it’s off duration use 150 hyper + fd???

[cosmic ice]

you will end up with less casts per boss

rather stay 2min burst and play with the erda bind

[dire holly]

Hmm

Hmmm yea I don’t know anymore lol

[cosmic ice]

v1 is not just for capping lines but also provide line boost to your attacks

[dire holly]

Burst timing a little funky

[cosmic ice]

we are on a super weird spot

on pc , v1 & 3 have shorter cd

so they act as an "miniburst"

[dire holly]

I still think that for later stages of mu lung and culvert you’ll want to use all buffs at same time though

[cosmic ice]

here its all 2min so it put us in aweird place of losing/ganiing from diff sencrios

[dire holly]

As for the order, it’s honestly too min/max to figure out ideal order and when to cast each skill

You know what

Throw it all on pets

When it happens it happens LOL

[cosmic ice]

thats why * ithink * - playing with the full 2min relaying on bind + iframs is the better option we get

[dire holly]

Yea idk

V4 iframe isn’t that long

Maybe like 0.5 seconds?

But idk if it’s worth using just to dodge an attack, you know?

[cosmic ice]

it just a qol tbh, my thought behinde it is to let it proc while i cast the reset, for me i caps either way

[dire holly]

I mean we now have 20 seconds of iframes so that tiny iframe from v4 won’t even matter nearly as much

Yea your logic is sound

Not gotta figure out if it’s worth putting dg on the wheel

[cosmic ice]

i take in mind that ifi dont bind, i could prob gurantee only15 sec of clean dps, and other is rng/timing based

[dire holly]

Assuming it’s anything like Bishop’s Genesis iframe

It could be good?

[cosmic ice]

adding 10 sec bind into it thats 25 sec

so i rathers get the most out of it

[dire holly]

Isn’t bind animation long?

Let someone else do it LOL

[cosmic ice]

wdym

[dire holly]

Unless you solo

[cosmic ice]

oh

for minmaxing we talking on solo plays

the party ones will prob help you set up with better suited classes for it

[dire holly]

Hmm yea

I never had to use bind before

But now with more node slots

I guess it’s going on the second page

[cosmic ice]

yeah same here , only used for solo will

[dire holly]

Interesting times

[cosmic ice]

it will be "fixed" when we get the extra 10 sec bind with origin

[dire holly]

Are you enjoying the v2 change so far?

[cosmic ice]

its pretty good

you drop it once and forget about it

some lose of dps in gfb

[dire holly]

There’s one major problem with it though

[cosmic ice]

and vhila i guess

or p1 lucid

[dire holly]

Biggest problem right now is that it doesn’t have prioritization against bosses

[cosmic ice]

tbh could also be bad for will cuz the small orbs following you are also targetable ithink

[dire holly]

So it’s random where it goes

[cosmic ice]

yeah

dont think it will change

[dire holly]

I’ll make it happen

But yea

Overall v2 is nice

Watching it in ab is fun

We trigger fever way more now

[cosmic ice]

no more crying for bosses to dash out of it/ when you move to next stage you have to wait 30 sec from last cast

so thats should be an overall qol even if we lose some dps

[dire holly]

Definitely yea

It feels weird only seeing one altar

[cosmic ice]

im suprised to completey erased the cd on it

[dire holly]

I’m happy about that

[cosmic ice]

might as well make it like the hero's sword following you passively lol

[dire holly]

lol

A mini reaper buddy and a mini altar

[cosmic ice]

make the reaper do it

[dire holly]

I like the idea

The mini orbs is ugly though

[cosmic ice]

could be dart looking yeah

[dire holly]

Yea I mentioned earlier that it could be spinning scythes instead

But the orbs sort of follows the battle burst and dark chain animation

[cosmic ice]

might be too big to have it scatered all voer your screen every 2 sec

[dire holly]

It would look so cool though lol

[cosmic ice]

with the 2 min change i thought we deserve to get like +15% skill damage(for weaker/200m mdc bams) and +3 lines on our regular attack while v1 is off , we kinda weak chipping

[dire holly]

Yea off-burst dps is really bad

One other thing I didn’t think about is our dark brand/dark lightning activation

Since there’s a short reactivation cooldown now it’s probably even worse to time when you’re not bursting

[fiery ocean]

Bm is the most op class

[snow thistle]

Nice @dire holly

[dire holly]

A lot better?

[snow thistle]

before around 46k

XD

44m mdc

[snow thistle]

Now 45mdc and this

[cosmic ice]

so i tried solo will with the new chnages. hella "easy" now comapred what it used to be.
key changes:
previous patch gave us 1-1.5sec of iframe from respawning after death ( if it wasnt on kms , i take credit for that cuz of my post lmao )
dark gensis - that mini iframe every 30 sec i a game changer for p3 solo (1shot leg skill can easly be dodged with it , by easly im a 300ping gamer and i dodged everyleg)

BattlePap approves 👍

also being able to stand still and "burst" for 20sec every 2min (twice in solo will p3) is super nice instand of being sweaty and jump like a madman to squeeze everyattack

tip- dont use this crap when playing will 😂💀

[frozen zephyr]

Hmm can I ask how Weakening aura works? It says reduces the PDR/MDR of monsters...is it the go to aura in bossing ? I was consider 1/3/7/8/9

[cosmic ice]

if you cap, it dosent matter either way, the only "mandatory" ones are 3 -7-8. all the others are w.e

next closest is reinforce (1) will help in ab

its only prefrence for the reset of em

and depending on what you missing/how far are you in progress.
im considering getting 6 (blueaura) for testing

[frozen zephyr]

Ok, thank you haha
What aura do you use in bossing? I thought dark aura was the preferred, does weaknening have a particular beneefit?

[cosmic ice]

Applies and answers to your question again

The difference off burst is minimal to a point you could just use blue/red for better sustain, and while bursting you use them all anyways

Like when you have 600-700 crit damage , and 200-300 boss damage base you won't notice that 5% extra boss . Cuz it's not a direct
100 damage goes to 105.
It will be 100 to 100.somthing hella low and neglective

I think I've seen some excel sheets that allow you to calculate roughly the damage outputs before and after changes . Try to use em and see yourself, than weight the outcome to better sustain for example

But overall- all this nonsense is hella min.maxing the only time someone should be working hard on that is when he's ENDEND game, he knows he won't get any gains easy anytime soon and he needs/wants to get that extra 1m in culvert (out of the 200+ he already doing)

Ideally speaking of you have some godhands and insane macro , you should even switch auras manually off burst to get the lifesteal every 5 sec , block damage before risky attacks with blue aura and go back to damage aura in-between. I ain't seeing no one with sane mind even attempting to do so, it's rarely even happening in PC version (it does but again that's hella min.maxing pro gamer mode)

[grand adder]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[unborn vale]

14632 for me..

[grand adder]

Damn. Most classes are 15-15.5k.

I was hoping BaM would be at least 15k

[unborn vale]

Yea i did see Echo’s list

Made me think i did something wrong

😂

[grand adder]

Let’s see if more BaM has better data

[unborn vale]

My one minute was decent though

9789

With some casting delay at start so close to 10k

[cosmic ice]

did we confirmed alter works properly? ive seen that in harchon p2, the balls just doing the circle spread pattern and no "seeking" animation

might be a visual bug tho

actully, might not be a bug, cuz usally for archon the v2 skill damage is much higher

[grand adder]

I never really look at 1min since that just help determine who burst better. We all get a general idea how everyone burst. I’m more interested in line count just specifically to compare in hilla.

[unborn vale]

I’ll do 3min test in a minute too

[unborn vale]

Yea mine worked great in Will and Archon last night

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

3mins 24,611 for me

[dire holly]

@grand adder 15,130 if I did my math right

Let me double check

Yea it’s correct

[dire holly]

Looks like you have dg on your preset rotation. This could be causing you to lose dps/lines

[grand adder]

Dang

That’s def on the lowwr side

[dire holly]

I’m sure I could squeeze a couple hundred extra lines but due to having to manually cast our burst buffs we lose out a few seconds

[grand adder]

Would u mind trying just pet buff?

Sia is 15.5k. I’d imagine u guys are around there too.

[dire holly]

That wouldn’t be accurate data though

I don’t know any bam who uses all burst buffs on pet

[grand adder]

I mean it’s just for theoretical best line

Fog isnt a good test for all bosses anyway. Such as sia Will do more dmg than bam even with same line since their burst is so condense

[dire holly]

But testing methodology might not be the same between all classes

Because that would require all classes to put burst on pet if applicable

[grand adder]

I do

[dire holly]

I mean I can test it but you’ll probably have to put some sort of a disclaimer lol

[grand adder]

Well, I can’t control how eveetone does their test.

I just ask eveetone to do their best

[dire holly]

Yea.. I want to assume everyone is testing it based off of how they would play in bossing so

[grand adder]

For example, Evan 2min burst can be precast before boss spawn, so they can squeeze in an extra big burst while most other classes can. I just hope they give me disclaimer if they pull that kind of stuff

[dire holly]

Hmm

Precast can work for some but for bam it’s not exactly ideal

Again, due to cast time. In a perfect world all these bursts would go off at the same time (hence where pets come in), but that’s sadly not the case

[grand adder]

Yea so in the case above, I’d say I won’t accept that line count. But putting buff on pet or not doesnt affect it the same way so I think it’s fair game.

[dire holly]

I know players probably try to min/max their play by removing pets and what not, but it’s kinda overkill lol

🤔

I can test it with pets but it’s simply not a realistic example of what would happen in bossing unless you’re heavily min/maxing

[grand adder]

Yea. Just theoretical best

Fog never translate to real bossing

We all know that. Fog and line count is just one metric to see a class potential. Synergy w ds4, how their burst lineup eith boss pattern, boss disappear frequently (will, Damien) vs stationary boss (gloom, hilla) all will make a difference

[dire holly]

@grand adder I actually performed worse with burst on pets lol

15,078

I think the problem is that burst activated right away and some of my other attack skills (infantry/will skill) have considerably long cast times and cuts into my burst attack window

I cannot test again due to time constraints

[unborn vale]

Yea i had DG on preset. Took it off for 3min test though

Now taken off

[unborn vale]

Yea this kills the time

[dire holly]

Test again for 2 minutes if you have time

I gotta go for a little bit

[grand adder]

I guess it’s 15.1k to trade off for that op party iframe

I’m leveling a BaM now. I was looking forward to this change. Yes dmg still low but at least u guys have a super strong party skill that’ll let u guys get in party for that utility

[dire holly]

There’s something I need to test later regarding this shield

[dire holly]

Utility bam looking to get into vhilla

[grand adder]

I’d recruit bam into any party!

[unborn vale]

If anyone can test if shield stops dark altars being used in h damien…

Good to know for future

[dire holly]

I think this was something that was mentioned from other skills

Skills such as ethereal form in the past would not allow altars to charge, but that was changed in a previous update

I don’t know if that functionality will change now that it’s an actual iframe, but I don’t think that it will

[unborn vale]

I have damien soon so could try and find out

[dire holly]

Do keep us updated. My Damien run is not until Monday

[cosmic ice]

I just did my first will run in a party today, shield def was useful

I also tested it in gloom awesome for the lazer

[dire holly]

Is the eye still considered "open" during laser?

I guess that's a dumb question given the physical state of gloom lol

[unborn vale]

I don’t think you can hit it during later anyway