Battle Mage

[dire holly]

Auto battle is worse too

Have to use yellow aura instead of aura scythe now

[outer crane]

But in return we had more magic damage% from other skills

[dire holly]

This hyper is bad now too

So will probably switch to another shield hyper

[dire holly]

Yea... But healing aura was so good

[outer crane]

That’s what I was thinking

[dire holly]

Do you still think weakening hyper is good?

Only 5% extra reduction

[outer crane]

Still need that

Because mcd got higher

[dire holly]

Need v1 duration back

[dawn python]

I think no fb farming wheel works. Especially in a large party.

Need to work resistance infrantry in once I have a slot free. Then 3 summons.

[dire holly]

Where's the data

You gotta make sure all of the factors are consistent otherwise the data is worthless

[dawn python]

Just my feeling. Will see what tonight’s run end up at.

[unborn vale]

Was dark aura always 10% mag and phy dmg party buffs?

👀

Maybe I have forgotten

[cosmic ice]

V1 function is ok fornculv no more going down ropes XD

The rest is crap

So I wanted to compare the new bs old, but I noticed on my gloom run my Avg and lowest lines are kinda low -i guess it's me not hitting crits ? With fever I got 18x% crit rate isn't it enough to guarantee crits on bosses ? I'm confused but low-key happy if I figure out more CRIT will get me 10-15% more damage lol

I wasn't using ds4 so there no gaps between time stamps

Actually it would be over 20% more damage 🫣

[dire holly]

If I remember correctly, yes

[dire holly]

sad

[unborn vale]

Interesting

That kind of run is best to find out too

9mins

[cosmic ice]

xd fund out the guy i was thinking we on the same progression stage~ was more than 10m mdc LESS (and also less ied)
than what i had pre-patch.... OUCH lmao
also make it hurts x2 when my first main was a shade and i switched over to bam 💀

he also were dealing 1.2x damage than me btw ^

[unborn vale]

Justice for bam

[cosmic ice]

😂 wait we havent even tested how bad it is post change lol he might deal 1.5x me rn haha

[unborn vale]

I have basically the same mdc pre and post patch with a DB in my guild

Will find out how that compares later

[cosmic ice]

the fund of making upgrades from 34m mdc to 45m mdc is probbaly like making a new 34m mdc char

i couldve just re-gear my shade for better results.... man shades also have revive+ iframes 😂 😭

and they actually doing support duty on top of it all

[cosmic ice]

BTW

in GFB for the few which care - v1 is too short now to fit the full duration(yeah its obvious 40<60sec but didnt even think about it) aka we even weaker than before compared to otherclasses (if the gap wasnt big enough to begin with)

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-gif-scream-angry-mad-annoyed-gif-1924792145441447316

but on the other way around - we can just tap v2 now for slightly quicker reaction/and no rope downs 🥹
#enjoytheTINYMICROPETITElittlethings🙏

atleast they could do if they choose this change, is
v3> same lines nothing changes bt duration is back to 40sec at MAX (help with damage output, give back a little of AB effectivness)
v2>charge repalish time stays the same, alter summon till recasted last for 42sec (not effecting dps besides better qol mid fight even tho its super rare you wont be required to adjust in 40sec span)
v1> will stay sh*t but atleast now we can somhow just F' it and play burst cycles instand of using noodle staff for 80sec for "DPM"

v4>increase interval of lightnings
weakining aura > def reduction changed to 5% IED to give SOME value to these lame auras that lasts now only 40sec
shield > visable to party members regardless transparency settings , guaranteed 20% damage reduction + prevention from 1hit ko's + KBK resistance

these changes are not greedy ATALL, the ied is worth less than 1 item worth of ied flames
and the qol and other skill chnages just makes bam dps to move from lower end dps- to MID
while making support slightly more attractive yet definitely not a mandatory to have ( still less vlaue than sia/shade/bishop / paladin / phantom....)

[dire gazelle]

No idea seems like garbo

[cosmic ice]

yo, before you hit abso weapon , did you still had the finale attack hyperstat ?
right now these levels are going for crit% on my chaos BaM

these 5.5% looks juicy

[dire gazelle]

Is shield even viable

Maybe cooldown cutter

Lets see

[dawn python]

Next push should be v3 back to original duration with additional functionality being 1/5 duration burst mode. Make it viable for both bossing and mobbing.

[outer crane]

Yes I did

[unborn vale]

I guess this change making FB main skill makes sense with the 6th job coming

As it gets boosted again right?

[sharp sable]

This is such a joke

[dire holly]

Yea… gotta use 2x shield hyper now

Or maybe dispel hyper for fun

Actually that’s even more useless now

Ahhhhh

And ab sucks so much more

[dawn python]

Maybe use 3-4 mini dungeon runtime as the ab test setting.

I can’t think of much that will control the party composition etc to make the data meaningful

[cosmic ice]

if you comapre it to pc , post change its still a noodle, since its only on the 2ndcore (took pc around a year to get it)
and also v1 is getting a sagnificent buff on day1

[unborn vale]

So RR time?

[cosmic ice]

they made sure its too hard to RR so welp

[dire holly]

I sure love using my t-Rex arms in auto battle

[dawn python]

This is my current no fb wheel doing 3 mini dungeon with auto next map. I will run the same tomorrow with fb added.

IMHO if adding fb doesn’t improve that time by more than 10s. I probably won’t bother with fb on my farming wheel anymore.

[dire gazelle]

Sorry but what is fb

[unborn vale]

Finishing blow

Our new main attack 😭 😭

[dire gazelle]

Oh

The level 100 skill

Icic

So you just use battle burst & dark chain?

[unborn vale]

I use all the skills personally

🤣

[dire gazelle]

Oh

Wait i hope you dont mean you include triple blow quintiple blow and what the other blow is

[unborn vale]

Haha no i just mean v skills and level 100

I just did our gloom run now and had the same dps as pre-patch

With 20m more mdc

[unborn vale]

Do we just need to play different with the time changes?

[dawn python]

Just theorycrafting. Perhaps treat the new v1 as its own burst skill. Ie use all other skills during v1 downtime so when v1 is up. It’s all you do.

[dire holly]

THATS SO SAD. Why’d you have to say it like that? LOL

[dire holly]

I don’t think dark chain is any good

[dire holly]

No.. we just were never good lol

Realistically you can only use aura scythe for one rotation (eye opens) now

Before you could use aura scythe for at least 2 rotations

So despite them giving us more mdc, the so-called “timing” of our attacks are probably the biggest factor

The only thing I can think of is maybe using v1 right away

Possibly even v4 as well???

[dawn python]

What’s the benefit of casting other skills during v1? The dmg boost to other skills while v1 is on is less than before. Maybe we just treat v1 as its own 40s burst. Try to maximize its dmg by not wasting its precious uptime to trigger other skills.

[dire holly]

You still have to cast skills during v1 yes

With mdc being higher, you need to utilize all the stats possible

It wouldn’t make sense to skip using other skills just to maximize v1 attack times

In practice it probably takes roughly 4-5 seconds to cast all your other skills (infantry, v3, v2 (if it needs to be re-casted), v4, goddess, etc)

[dire gazelle]

Yeah its more for if you can 1 shot in sf maps with it then it is the only skill with battle burst that you need(+rope lift)

[dawn python]

Does our parry shield help protect from blue ball dmg in Damian? Especially for those on altar duty? I’m curious and trying to find use for us

[dire holly]

Even then I don't think chain is needed

[dire holly]

Just reduces dmg now

[dawn python]

So if we put the enhance party shield hyper on, it will reduce even more dmg?

[dire holly]

Yup

If you normally take 100k dmg

With bubble you will take 80k/70k depending on if you have the enhance or not

But cooldown/duration is better overall

Duration can probably protect you from two screen cracks in a party if you're quick enough

Solo you can easily survive it through a single shield

[dire gazelle]

Yeah i see what you mean

[dire holly]

What in the world is this?!?

https://youtu.be/g7MGfLwXWL8?si=aqHV1vhun_c4N_Do

Skip to 13 seconds

[rigid frost]

Does anyone have pre patch weakening aura skill description ?

[rigid frost]

20% reduced dmg or 30% if you hyper

And invincibility against tornado

[rigid frost]

Oh wow! I love it!! Hits surrounding mobs rather than within the range the towers are placed

Btw I’m still having to press down for V2 🤨

[paper basalt]

Don’t expect this to come to mobile they are still experimenting bam, and yes they also nerf bam in pc, because why not

That is still under test server, i feel like they need to put more balls, and make them go out at the same time, or make them track the mobs

[cosmic ice]

yeah i just changed my hypers to cd&duration

on weak bosses the damage change is insane ... but who cares about that xd
for anything that takes over 40sec ( legit anything that matters culv,gfb,arcane damien and above ) we are as we were if not weaker due to less kiting abillities (range of v1 is invalid now with the short duration) so no more hitting from far away fror 70% of the time...

i got no idea what was behind this , like they could just said "yo bam players aint paying enough so F them" or "we as dev wanted more bishops and bam is a waste of mage cuz they couldve been bishops so F them" like just be transparent with us like why would they bother so much to ruin it like that 😂

ngl if i were a bishop i wouldve been like 2 years a head in progress getting the free ticket for each team on the 2% min.cut instand of being required to 10%+ as a dps ..
imagine playing the class you like and enjoy rather wants needed

[unborn vale]

Looks like they stole that idea from Lumi v4 haha

[dawn python]

With fb

[dawn python]

Fb improves by a bit. Maybe I will keep fb for dailies preset but keep it off on farming preset.

[cosmic ice]

10sec out of 5min is still rng based

It's 1 good v3 placement

[unborn vale]

My Culvert score was 14k higher after patch

No boss rush

[cosmic ice]

40% increase~?
How does it look compared to the mdc change you had ?

Fore I had nearly 100% increase but I also had alot of upgrades from last week

22~ to 37~ and I also died mid burst at the beginning so -10 sec on that first burst (maybe even lost v3 )
But I don't really have a way to compare it to my pre-patch version sadly

[unborn vale]

I think pretty good as the added mdc only helps for those first 2-3 stages

I need to do some practice for the longer bosses for timings

[cosmic ice]

Wdym

Culv has 100% reduction so w.e ied you got is what you gonna hit.
The damage is the iedx mdc (assuming you cap)

My runs are so random cuz I got 124% base crit (174 buffed and 184/9 with fever&max)
Which is still not 100% crit rate...
Pretty sure I could've scored higher with 40 Necro 🥹

[dire holly]

So there was another video where the altar was limited to just one spawn, so who knows if that will change in the future

[dire holly]

The animation is a little weird. I feel like it needs to be something other than orbs

Maybe like a crescent wave?

[cosmic ice]

Old shade's spirit gate but with death ghosts 🤔

[dire holly]

Spawns mini reapers

[paper basalt]

Yes i agree with you on this

Does look quite unpolished

[dire holly]

fumbled a lot and died twice

Thinking that 65k is possible for me

[rigid frost]

What!?! No thank you!! I need 4 towers

lmao I only just found the activation button last night btw

[rigid frost]

Try again, I know you can get 65k

[unborn vale]

Epic! No BR either

So is the culvert gain just from mdc?

[dire holly]

Yea four towers is a must

lol yea that button is a game-changer, but I still have a habit of hitting the down arrow still lol

[unborn vale]

Restore, what mdc are you at now?

[dire holly]

Skill dmg increase too

[dire holly]

It's uhh...

67.65m

[unborn vale]

Nice 🐳

I was surprised at the culvert score improvement to be honest

I just managed 45k before with boss rush

[dire holly]

Let me check what mine was before

I think I was near 50

Ok I didn't save it, but I'm pretty sure I barely hit 50k

[unborn vale]

Nice boost for sure

I actually expected the same score if not lower with less v1 time

[dire holly]

I think the biggest reason for the score is purely just because of skill damage gains

Especially since we cannot really cap the last few stages

[unborn vale]

Yes for sure i only got 20s i think with ds4 triggered

Maybe less

[cosmic ice]

124% CRIT prebuffed look at how many non-crits i hit i cut down my dps by 20%

hard archon ^^

but theoretically i can cap all lines even darkshock is capping

[dire holly]

With br. Died once...

Too lazy to go again lol

[cosmic ice]

Wtb BaM updated culv rotation PoV😅
also i want pc / kms culv to come to us already im tired of dodging the flames let me attack a doll already its a mobile game why i sweat more than i do for Normal kaling on pc😭

[unborn vale]

I don’t do any dodging

Just stand on the bottom right platform and spam

[cosmic ice]

bruh i keep dying with 260k hp and power exlixers

[rigid frost]

How do you not die ?? I have to dodge

[dire holly]

Op

[unborn vale]

Only if i stick in that bottom right platform 🤣 , otherwise I die pretty quick

[rigid frost]

Hmm let me try your way

[dawn python]

Bottom right platform if you stay on the right edge (use battle burst to get there), flames doesn’t touch you. But you will get stunned etc. so get cure alls.

[unborn vale]

Hey @outer crane - what do you think of battle mage changes

Good or bad?

[outer crane]

Not good but not so bad..

[unborn vale]

🥲

Hopefully 6th job is our time

[outer crane]

As you can see
V1’s damage is still very high

Although it only remains 40 sec, it still hits the second rank

[unborn vale]

Need more focus when to use v1 now

[dire holly]

I miss v1 duration

[cosmic ice]

i feel it at hard archon, not sure if the non v1 attacks even hit from the statue to the left wall lol i always step out the statue towards left

[dire holly]

It does, but you have to be right on the edge of the statue

[cosmic ice]

Yep. BaM is tough for bosses above chaos expeditions 🤭

[limpid talon]

is drain aura beneficial in any bosses ? cuz it heals also party alongwith having the passive 10% hp recovery without drain aura .. it seems it could be helpful but at low lvls its hard to tell

im pondering maining a bam on another acct

[unborn vale]

In theory it’s great but I’m not convinced it even works 🤣

[limpid talon]

i dont understand the math on it. its worded so weird. it looks like it should heal more than it does. but im guessing its cuz my max hp on my bam is low

[unborn vale]

Somehow im the only one in my gloom team that offers no healing

[limpid talon]

drain procs with the one v skill too right? so in theory u should have heal contribution even if u didnt directly use drain aura

[unborn vale]

Yea exactly

Always confuses me

[dire holly]

Too bad the duration was cut in half

[dire gazelle]

It only heal once every 5s

For 15% of hp

Which means with every activation of aura scythe you can only heal like 8 times max

Drain aura description says : reactivation cooldown 5seconds

If they halves that maybe we'd be relevant

😂

But not even since 5 seconds is a long time in a boss battle

[dire gazelle]

It works as self heal tho maybe just a weird technical unreported error?

[dire holly]

It’s technically more than this

At least in terms of support

Because the description also states that anyone with the aura can heal themselves

So they can heal themselves and we can heal them and ourselves

So the party members effectively get 30% max hp every 5 seconds

[dire gazelle]

Hmm

I see

Or did they actually set aura scythe as "self" only

Wait

Red aura heals themselves only by party member

But then aura scythe aura should to all members

Odd

Unless the range is just so small

[cosmic ice]

tried looking at other boss healing results? at gloom has pretty high damage skills maybe just wierdly unlucky tigfers + god hands team xd?

i personally never looked at the healings

eitherway, auras , besides thier passive effects are worthless rn .. you bearly even notice any changes between them i just go blue rn since its the only thing wasnt touched and offer some low vlaue - vlaue

[unborn vale]

Yea we are always 0 in all bosses for healing its very odd!

[dire holly]

Red aura applies to all.

The way healing is calculated on the charts is a little weird

I think it only accounts for active skills that heal, not so much passive skills like our auras in this case

I’m pretty sure healing aura works as intended. it’s just the way that it works unfortunately doesn’t allow it to be added to the charts

[unborn vale]

Yea i think must be this, as it definitely works on us

Just annoying that it’s a cool support skill that doesn’t get recognition 😅

[dire holly]

Yea…

The heals are quite significant in longer runs

So I’m sure that we would be right under bishops

Even if it’s on a 5 second cooldown, a run that takes… 8 minutes gives a lot of time to heal

I can crunch the numbers later just to show how good it can be

[unborn vale]

Also i will check, but our shield does nothing in gloom right?

[dire holly]

Just reduces dmg if I am not mistaken

[unborn vale]

Would be so good for dark phase

[dire holly]

Yea dark phase always kills me like 3-4 times a run LOL

[unborn vale]

If it blocked the status or something at least

[dire holly]

Yea Blocking the stun at least would be good

Oh speaking of Gloom

Summoning altars is a little clunky isn't it?

Like if you summon them on the arms when the eye opens I think it disappears once the arms go away?

[unborn vale]

Hmm yea i think so

[dire holly]

I'm not even sure if alters can hit the eye if it's summoned on the ground-level

[unborn vale]

I always have to re summon them after the laser if i put them on the arms

[dire holly]

Yea...

I'm wondering if it's better to stay on the ground after arms???

Not sure

Assuming we can still hit the eye of course

[unborn vale]

Yes i think so

I sometimes stay on the floor under others so they eat the balls for me

And i stopped using blink

[dire holly]

lol

You stopped using blink?

[unborn vale]

Yea i use battle burst to get to the sides and teleport onto the arms

And i fight the dark room 🤣

[dire holly]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[unborn vale]

With ethereal form

[dire holly]

The sides of the arms don't hit us?

[unborn vale]

Nop

[dire holly]

Oh I never knew that

Oh question

[unborn vale]

Like 3-4 character lengths from each side

[dire holly]

Where do you place in your gloom team?

[unborn vale]

Is safe

[dire holly]

Oh that's good to know

I shall give that a try next time I cannot fly

[unborn vale]

Depends of we have a habibi

[dire holly]

So dead last?

[unborn vale]

But top 3 usually

[dire holly]

SAY WHAt

I'm almost always dead last LOL

[unborn vale]

Top guy is 150mdc ish

Or more 👀

[dire holly]

Wait

your mdc must be quite high then

[unborn vale]

81 now

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

The DB is 83.. and Nw about 75 i think

[dire holly]

I'm surprised at how low your culvert score is then

[unborn vale]

Yea man my culvert sucks

Never been good at it 🤣

Even when i use the stand on corner method

[dire holly]

Hmm

[unborn vale]

Maybe just my ds4 timing

[dire holly]

Cuz I'm at around 67.5m mdc

I don't even time ds4 lol

It just happens when it happens

[unborn vale]

I will try culvert again next week properly

[dire holly]

Yea I think you can easily hit 70k+

[unborn vale]

You think? Maybe with BR i thought id get 60k

[dire holly]

I think so yea

With your gear? Definitely possible

[cosmic ice]

You guys run gloom with ds4? Out guild runs with the node that give you 10sec iframe after x hits

Running with blue aura too . 0 deaths
We got 3 hard carries on pt tho

[dire holly]

Never thought to use this to be honest

Blue aura is not great unless you're also running the dispel hyper

[cosmic ice]

Unless you good with micro management, it just save you when it does .

[cosmic ice]

Helps tanking that 1 more hit

[dire holly]

Yea.. I don't really look at when nodes trigger

So the i-frame could or could not be handy

Huh

You can't tank a hit?

[cosmic ice]

I do it as an habbit , we don't have damage issue so I just use all defensive stuff I can gather , also might help abit to the surrounding

[cosmic ice]

Rn I'm good, 260k HP um buffed , was lower on first run

But I'm talking of multiple hits

I think I die out of 5 Instand of 4 hits

[dire holly]

The abnormal status is good, but I'm not sure if it's more valuable then draining aura

[cosmic ice]

And I don't die 🤭

I went shield hypers

It helps the tanks for harchon

I did cd reduction and persistence

[dire holly]

As you should

I don't think shield is needed in hArchon though

Maybe just during p1

[cosmic ice]

Might make the 1tik one shot from 9crtstals into 2tiks XD idk feeling more of a support this way

All other options for hyper rn are garbage anyways even with no points added you won't notice big difference

[dire holly]

Crystals shouldn't really appear in final phase though

But definitely want to be careful before then

[cosmic ice]

P2

Take one sleepy person with the spear target

[dire holly]

Maybe you guys run Archon differently than we do? hmmm

[cosmic ice]

But again either way no party does out in archon...

[dire holly]

The spear is part of p1 is it not??

[cosmic ice]

I might confuse it

But I see damage taken I shield 🤭 simple man

Party members don't even notice if it's casted or not

That's how insignificant out support became

[dire holly]

Definitely

Use whenever you can (not in Will)

BaM support was never really noticed so

It is what it is lol

[cosmic ice]

I legit role play as a support to make it more fun than just letdown attacking

[dire holly]

Role play as support but your dmg is quite good

[cosmic ice]

Tbh it is , for a chaos user and under leveled 🤭

But I'm a try hard on dps & full buff

So it's prob that

[dire holly]

I mean I full buff too and get dead last in gloom LOL

Dark room for BaMs is the worst

[cosmic ice]

Not really

It has a socold pattern

When it starts you teleport once to avoid the drop-down attack

Dash like once or twice , hold for 1 sec and Thier dash again or up-jump fly if you use fly in your skill wheel

And that's it

Not even needing to use eternal for gloom

[dire holly]

It's almost always the other stuff that kills me

not so much the mobs in the dark room

Like arms or one of the orb types

[cosmic ice]

Just don't panic move , each attack give you more than enough time to react

[dire holly]

And I have almost 300k hp lol

[cosmic ice]

Def with our superb twle

Tele

[dire holly]

the mobs can still stun you

[cosmic ice]

Try abusing up jump+ double telecast

[dire holly]

That puts you at risk of taking orbs

[cosmic ice]

Nah

There are no orbs on dark room

Only tentacles and torandos

And the mobs ofc

If you time the jump well you can jump above the tornado too

[dire holly]

You don't enter another "room" though

Your screen just turns dark

You still have to deal with arms, tornadoes, orbs, etc

[cosmic ice]

Ik , but no orbs dalling

Falling

[dire holly]

I'm almost positive they do

[cosmic ice]

Lemme check cod

Vod

[dire holly]

I'll see tomorrow

[cosmic ice]

Tbh I just cleared again today

Even got a ring drop 🤭

[dire holly]

idk

Every time I run gloom I die like 3-4 times and get dead last

Grats on the ring drop!

That extra mdc will be helpful

[cosmic ice]

Yeah in the vod I saw no orbs on darkness

Yeah also made me hit sf270 nice boost

[dire holly]

If that's the case then you still have to deal with tornadoes and arms

Dang 270 is big

I'm sitting around 261-263 right now

[cosmic ice]

Eh deaths no matter now when mdc went up so much tbh , 9;40 clears became 6min clears

But I'd you really care, you can always just hop into solo practice and press reduce HP

[dire holly]

Yea I don't think my team cares about my deaths as long we clear lol

Maybe I'll try using draining aura instead of weakening next run

[cosmic ice]

You die "slow" HP deaths?

Maybe try adjust the PE usage %

I'm at 50% with my humble 260khp

[dire holly]

I think 70% pe is solid

Any more or any less and it's too risky

idk a bout "slow" hp deaths

[cosmic ice]

Tent does 180k, or does 80k

[dire holly]

Draining will just help keep you topped up on hp

[cosmic ice]

I think with blue aura the orb does like 7xk , which is just perfect for me toget the PE usage after 2 hits

You also get healed alot randomly from your team mates

[dire holly]

Hmm

[cosmic ice]

Personally I haven't looked on drain aura as an option

But again w.e works

[dire holly]

10% reduction from blue aura hmm

Yea I just know that in terms of value

Draining is better

Especially for Will

[cosmic ice]

Haven't tried will beside solo practice so I'll take that

[dire holly]

You'll definitely feel more useful as a BaM in will

Shield is useful in pretty much all stages, but you will need to coordinate it with your team

And draining helps because of the constant dps you take as well

[cosmic ice]

Of only we had 70% uptime on v1

[dire holly]

You mean 100%?

[cosmic ice]

F it I'll even sattle on 50% XD ain't greedy

[dire holly]

I'm greedy lol

I would rather have 100% up time but have more consistent dps rather than burst

At least in this way we can maintain all auras and have slightly better auto battle

Not to mention the extra range that comes with v1

[cosmic ice]

We should be pretty decent with hexa and origin. Atleast by how it's in PC , I'll wait .... Got 10 levels to gap before they release it

[dire holly]

What's the first skill or hexa?

It's for condemnation right?

[cosmic ice]

Ya

[dire holly]

I am not too familiar with 6th job so it'll be a surprise to me

It's kinda lame lol

[cosmic ice]

The origin is the big deal

[dire holly]

Isn't it like every 3 condemnations is a different looking reaper?/

[cosmic ice]

One of the strongest dps compact origins rn on pc

[dire holly]

Well that's because of the shorter animation time, but it seems like it might not translate well on mobile

There was a youtube video on the kmsm 6th job skills with their line counts

And BaMs had one of the worst line counts

[cosmic ice]

No I mean the origin. It's a skill, with new kind of bond that stacks with reguler bind

[dire holly]

The difference from like best line count to BaM was probably over 1k lines

[cosmic ice]

Bam origin is overlapping with our passives and v4

Makes it a dps machine

[dire holly]

Yea my cousin was saying that BaM's origin was the best because of how short it was

How does it work with v4?

Seems more like a problem

[cosmic ice]

Procs lightning like crazy

[dire holly]

Hmmm

[cosmic ice]

Prices everything like crazy

Procs

[dire holly]

I sure hope it works like that in mobile

Cuz the origin skill hit count is so much lower than other classes

[cosmic ice]

I think it does with x72 shock branding or 72 lightning... Can't even remember

It does both, but I don't remember the numbers

[dire holly]

Is the reactivation for lightning the same on pc as it is for mobile?

[cosmic ice]

More smooth in PC

[dire holly]

On mobile the reactivation for lightning is 0.5 seconds

[cosmic ice]

Nah you can do multiple at once if you get the the branding to trigger it

[dire holly]

Hmm

Well hopefully that's how mobile will be

[cosmic ice]

The amount of lines it creates....

Doubt it

[dire holly]

Yea that's my concern

If we just compare origin skill hit counts alone

BaM is one of the worst

At least according to the kmsm video I saw

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[cosmic ice]

Wdym ... Cuz that's not how the origin spouse to work... The whole idea is that it proces everything with it.
It's like saying every buff origin does 0 while your origin burst triples the damage you deal 🤷🏻‍♂️
BaM's origin is goated in terms of how much damage that burst does compared to Thier non origin burst

[dire holly]

Yes, I am just saying that I hope that how the BaM origin skill works in pc will also work the same way in mobile in regards to the dark brand/lightning procs

Otherwise it will just be based on line count and animation time of the origin skill (not including buff origin skills)

[rigid frost]

I’m curious, does everyone use this method?

Cause I tried it last week and I couldn’t hit more than my usual..
maybe not quick enough with the ACP..

[rigid frost]

I use battle burst after speedos suggested, try it, it works! Even if I hit a tentacle while dashing, it doesn’t kill me haha

[unborn vale]

Glad it worked i would have felt bad

[dire holly]

I’ve been using this method and it has improved my score a bunch

[dire holly]

I need to find a spot for it on my skill wheel but I’ll definitely test it out

I know that battle burst does have this weird I-frame during the dash so that could be why the tentacles aren’t landing

[rigid frost]

hahaha yes you should give us 5B if @dire holly and I die from your method lol

[rigid frost]

hmm .. what exactly do you do differently?
im 61mdc and i hit 60k by dodging and no br

the other method i only hit 58K

i must be doing something wrong

[unborn vale]

You beat me 😅

[rigid frost]

Your goal this week is 70k !

[unborn vale]

I can’t see it happening 😦

[dire holly]

Spam all cures and pray I don’t die to flames when re-casting altars lol

I also use bossing jewels so I get knocked back by some of the boss’ attacks which isn’t ideal

[sharp sable]

just another day in the life of bam

[sharp sable]

i think they should be able to, i think almost all skills can hit gloom/gloom eye from the ground

[sharp sable]

CRAAAAAAAAACKED

[sharp sable]

bro wym we have the best mobility in the game, just dash/tp/dash/tp/fly/ethereal

[sharp sable]

no orbs during darkness

sorry jsut catching up

[dire holly]

Problem is that I have no room for dash

So it's a bit rough at the moment

Need to figure out where to fit it

[sharp sable]

Let's see ur wheel

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

I put ethereal blink and v1 on 2nd page and preset infantry with v3

Lotsa room

[dire holly]

v1 second page bad

[sharp sable]

Could also preset FB with SS for more room

Yeaaah especially now

[dire holly]

My wheel is as perfect as it can get without dash

If I didn't have to use blink dash would go there

[sharp sable]

Bro dash is so good

[dire holly]

no room

[sharp sable]

What if you preset v1 with v4

[dire holly]

I'm looking at that now

I'd have to prest 150/v1/goddes buff/v4

Currently I have 150/v1 as a preset

and v4/goddess as another

Both on first page

[sharp sable]

Oh damn u manual 150

[dire holly]

Yea

[sharp sable]

All my manual buffs are on 2nd page

[dire holly]

I just find that inefficient

Panic switch skill pages

and fumble with other buttons

[sharp sable]

Just don't panic 😉

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Yea i do this

And v3/infantry/will skill in preset…
FB and SS preset

I did a clip yesterday showing someone the run to the side thing for gloom

[cosmic ice]

tbh i linked both shield and EF on the same key , i just drop shield off cd anyways due to how insignificant it is 99% of the time never had issues with dying cuz of that

[cosmic ice]

can you share BA? why you have such a big gap from each attack ? i see 40-6Xm 's i dont have gaps like that besides that hyperstat attack

[unborn vale]

Yea good point shield is just there as i dont have anything else to fill in

[unborn vale]

What you mean?

Boss atk?

[cosmic ice]

battle analysis

[unborn vale]

Ah

[cosmic ice]

just for the line comparison , take in mind im also dealing with the crit% issue

like im ignoring your pre-burst lines and referring only at the end of your pov , you still doing 55-70m's often enough that both are noticeable

while mine (ofc they are much lower cuz im a nub) but they almost look consistent while i suffer from around 15% non crits while full buffed + fever

[unborn vale]

Its a good Q

Looks like lots of my average hits for finishing blow are in the 40s

[cosmic ice]

you at 100% + 100% crit rate right?

with fair trade (not sure if its shown in stats or not )

[unborn vale]

Yea like 220% with FT

[cosmic ice]

💀

But it's should not be this close

welp i read the min.damage as avg

That's a full ba from my last harchon

my guess, is that you laking some dmg% so some of the weaker skills suffer from a damage dip

andi guess my attack stats : MDC ratio is better so the gaps are lower (ihit my cap easier than you)

[cosmic ice]

yeah... you got skills that arent capping even on max burst. you need to RR some potentials

remember the FD~= M.dmg >boss > crit dmg
maybe play with your jewel set (i guess you dont need purple like i do so make sure its M.dmg%)
look at your vmatrix decent skills , combat order (m.dmg) is better than speed infusion (boss) , also leveling them to 25 is kinda whaling but required

your dark shock highest line is -12.5m below your cap... got alot to work . this is guranteed the reason your culvert is "low"

My issue is crit rate... I'm missing 2 more SS jewels that's 2.8% crits 🤢 also need the necro-chaos type changer for to change my m.dmg stat to crit on shoulder... And that's about it can't find more CRIT rate unless I give up on my ied flames which ain't gonna happen

[sharp sable]

My man

[sharp sable]

Wait if his dark shock is hitting average 43m and yours is only hitting 38m that means if you had higher cap you'd have the same issue as him

[cosmic ice]

First of all , ofc lol if I magically gain +20m mdc without counterpart upgrades to my stats sounds kinda obvious...
But my situation rn is pretty much best you can have...
I'm capping while bursting while at non burst I'm around 5% below the cap which is pretty fine. Take in mind majority of my resources are put into crit%
And the only reason there's a min.max gap aside ds4 is the 15% non crit on harchon/gloom/culv and I assume will

5% below cap with the weakest passive skill we own as bam ... Which low key I can fix in 30sec by upgrading the 7 arcane force levels I been holding back for few months 😅

[unborn vale]

I just need level 50 abso staff

[sharp sable]

Time to whale speedos

[unborn vale]

Not going well

🤣

[sharp sable]

OUFFfffff....

Okay yes that explains the culvert LOL

[unborn vale]

This and my 50 abso fails on my shoulder

Nexon trying to tell me something

[cosmic ice]

50abso stuff will fix my issue as well 🫣

But the fails on chaos hurts my soul

10b per attempt 🤢

Ignoring the 3% scrolls and the fact it's 92% fail chance visable odds (102% fail chance in the backdoor formula)

NGL Nexon will get so much more money out of me if the staff passes abso... All flames all potentials , jewels hyper stats all will have to be re-done 😂😭 Nexon bad at sales I swear

[cosmic ice]

new pr with teleporting .. the standing still method just yonk all my resources and give me 36-38k scores

[dire holly]

[dire gazelle]

What is this contents

[unborn vale]

56k only 🫣

58 last night with BR

B> level 50 weapon🤣

[viral gyro]

yea

[dawn python]

We need magic guard or a hyper to blue aura that doubles the dmg reduction. We are too squishy

[rigid frost]

haha nice, new personal best!~

[rigid frost]

lol update us on your wep, invested in your exalt story lol

[unborn vale]

It hasn’t gone well so far

[rigid frost]

do you throw one stone at a time? or do you save like a few ?

[unborn vale]

I’ve been doing stone at a time randomly

Game hates me

This and over 50 abso fails on my shoulder 🤣

[rigid frost]

theres this guide in the asian servers.. a few guild members made like 6 x 5% stones and used them and passed 3 or something

[unborn vale]

That’s what i need to do now

[rigid frost]

and thers also a theory not to exalt when nexon is selling exalt reduce scrolls LOL

[unborn vale]

And we have this lucky exalt stone in event soon

[rigid frost]

not sure though

i dunnooo.. im gonna feel bad if you fail 5% exalt lol

[unborn vale]

Well it’s technically a 40%

[rigid frost]

TRUE

[unborn vale]

But it all feels like the same chances

[rigid frost]

i pm'ed you

[rigid frost]

yeah .. ive failed many @ 70% too

[cosmic ice]

my nercro shoes were 7/7 lv 38 . got tilted, passed 5th 30% reduc scroll, bought 70% exalt from the package and failed it as 70+25% . passed with the red exalt stone.
numbers are rigged. ngl the amount of 0.00001% 's on the nagtive sides i had in this game are insane

i got 17 30%'s to fail in a row TWICE , and 9 50%'s to fail in arow .
the fact the game normalizing odds like 5% to be an everyday required sucess rate for basiclly alll items x 20 +++ times per item (sf , abso , flames , souls exalts ...) with no guarantee or somwhat logical rates is kinda amazing how the game even existing lol
got us addicted to 0 chance gambling

but also justifies the relativily low playerbase and the high p2w to f2p players ratio (in favour of p2w)

also these are just rocky numbers ^ we all griniding YEARS to pass sf5 on the accessories we got , personally took me around 3X dupes each
just to fall into another irreversible system of randomized emblem that if you got bad emblem you need to start all the grind again 🥲

[rigid frost]

ikr! forever SF3 for me lol

[viral gyro]

Lmao 30x

So painful, the game at post lv 200 you either solo and bet on your drop rate or do pubs and leave if full of leechers lol

[dire gazelle]

Honeslty leachers wouldnt bother me if i can solo

[cosmic ice]

😅 the bosses you refer to arent relevant for years now . thats why you struggle.
pubs used to be somwhat decent when up untill magnus release (when guilds started to relay on party bossing )

thw daily bossing routaion rn takes way toolong to team up with how badly the qeue is rn.
all the screen loading and having to re-inv each time ... not worth bothering to team up unless somone ask for help or smthing

besdies ark, which is the only one of daily bosses that kinda is required to run as aparty to maximize rewards ( well majority can solo party mode now but yeah..)

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

wait can u PM me too i wanna know the secrets

[rigid frost]

Lol! Do you have a lvl 40 wep too?

[sharp sable]

Hahah naaaw mines been 50 for a while, but I have a hat stuck at 40 for the longest time

[dire holly]

My wep still lvl 40 and I do just fine

[viral gyro]

yea

Aft wards it's painful until you reach absollab

[unborn vale]

Me too with Max exalt fails after 5 fail in a row

+40% though

[dire holly]

That’s rough

[unborn vale]

And the free lucky radiant stone failed with 40% bonus 🤣

Level 40 forever

[cosmic ice]

good you fail stacking for your abso attempt on it

[sharp sable]

Omg lol

[unborn vale]

Getting a bit better

[dire holly]

Yuge!

[cosmic ice]

It's freeeeeeeee 1/1 attempt (lies I bricked everything)

[cosmic ice]

Now I need to rebuild my whole gear and remove all the crit % 😂😭

[cosmic ice]

So that's my char post abso weapon, gain ALOT of boss&crit damage . Lost the set effect for chaos jhain so HP went down abit.

Overall I know first thing to do should be changing the crit rate hyper stat to the finale attack skill and the other points probs to boss damage (?)

Would like your suggestions on which item I should fix flame/pot (after removing the crit rate hyper I would still hva e over 100% crit rate passive)

Also can't remember besides mdc what the guilds lib stages give but we got it on low stage rn due to the upcoming update so I miss some stats

[unborn vale]

God dam first try?? Congrats

The matk is huge now, I’m just over 52k i think
But yea hypers, additional damage ones, then extra points into Boss atk

Don’t think there is much obvious on the other equips, unless you’re aiming for perfect pots whatever they are

[cosmic ice]

welp culvert was a disappointment 😂

https://youtu.be/nnq4n2hxbOk?si=y1rctO2n_iawOtO5

[unborn vale]

Do you have the Will skill ?

It’s quite a good chunk of my damage

[cosmic ice]

just now bought it, its level 1 so not usealbe

also missing some mdc from guild & no boss rush, i think i could get 1k extra

but lower than what i thought... i was missing 15% crit and also got all the insane stat boost and 4% ied.. was thinknig for atleast 50-55k...

[dire holly]

You guys op

[umbral python]

What hyper passives should I get in order? Thanks. It's not on pinned

[sharp sable]

It varies depending on your objective/playstyle/beliefs

[unborn vale]

Take the finishing blow buffs and then i dont even know about the rest

I went with shield cooldown and weakening aura i think

[cosmic ice]

it has so little effect now ,that even if you try to make it as bad as possible you wont notice the change unless you really at the end game 🤷‍♂️
get the extra line finishing blow reset is w.e

[dire gazelle]

Dont know why they decided the nerf an already burnt class

[cosmic ice]

Battlemage remastered when

Give us grim reaper transformation like old bucc's 🤭

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

lol abso weapon is a scam nearly no change

do you lose the FT between phases in archon? i dont think so right?

cant understand the min. dmg... im at 250% crit damage, so no chance i didnt crit. do i miss attacks ?

at lvl 240

[plain yew]

If you understand the shield mechanics in p3, you’d know that the damage dealt is only 10% when all shields are up.

[cosmic ice]

isee, well on gloom it also 90% reduction but it doesnt reflects on the BA like in archon
weird but explains it

gloom^

[cobalt crater]

the damage when the eye is closed doesn't count in the BA

[cosmic ice]

little by little

[dire holly]

Could have been better. I fumbled for 3-4 seconds

[sharp sable]

Why u fumbling

Also fun fact: did you guys know battle mage thread is the most discussed class in this discord with 10,675 messages lmao. 2nd highest is Sia which isn't even close with 6,375 messages

[dire holly]

Fat fingers? lol

I was fumbling with using all-cures lol

[unborn vale]

Epic!

[unborn vale]

I always notice this 😆 we are passionate about our D tier

[unborn vale]

Teach me

I managed 68k last week with boss rush

[dire holly]

Are you still doing the corner trick?

That run I just focused on dodging flames, but the rng wasn’t great.

68k seems like a near perfect run compared to your previous scores so it may just be that your stats are holding you back?

What’s your ied?

[unborn vale]

Yea still in corner

It was a PB for me

26% ied now with 52k matk

I do need to exalt my weapon, i’m in the K hole with it

🤣

[dire holly]

Yea I’m like 47-48k with around 36.5% ied

[unborn vale]

Wow 36.5!

Mythic flames?

[dire holly]

It’s the msw lol

Some

Most are leg flames

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

But I also have a 8* ark pendant as well

So that helps a bit

[unborn vale]

Da ful

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

Insane

Stuck on 4*

Makes sense then

[dire holly]

lol I got pretty lucky

But yea

Other than flames and accessory sf

I’m missing 7% on full abso set, and 5% on Will pocket slot

Ok gotta go

[unborn vale]

Very nice bro, i also need abso set (on 5 currently), msw and pocket 🤣

[cosmic ice]

Lvl 8 ark? I'm on the 10th fail on my lvl 3 😵‍💫
These items have some A rates . My MEP is stuck at 1 with 4 fails as well...

[dire holly]

You'll get there! I know the feeling of having bad rng

[snow thistle]

@dire holly hey bro bam no kill bam 🥲

[dire holly]

[dire holly]

I won't attack if you won't

[snow thistle]

Ok

Draw

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/relax-children-chef-south-park-calm-down-children-chill-out-gif-22243799

[dire holly]

[dire gazelle]

Does this mean he is attackeds

[cosmic ice]

haha all our bams in a2u are in the same guild we cant have FF like this

[dire holly]

I’m not sure. I don’t remember what happens in a draw

I’m pretty sure we both just lose, but if not…. I’m showing no mercy next time

Betray my trust and you’ll see what happens next

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[dire holly]

Kenshin is awfully quiet

[civic arrow]

As a new fellow BaM be easy on me

[dire holly]

Welcome

[cosmic ice]

Should we tell him ? 🤔🤭

[dire holly]

Go for it lol

[civic arrow]

Does weakening aura work the same way as it does on pc maple? Where it applies the debuff for like 60s

[cosmic ice]

nope

and if it was , in pc as long as you burst and mini its 100% uptime anyways

in mobile the only time aura is relavent is blue aura for weak gear sf farming and yellow aura for speed while farming 😂 💀

choose w.e aura and drop it on auto buff on pet

[civic arrow]

Lmao yeah i have been using yellow for speed while farming . Thanks for the reply

So its sounding like dark aura is the best option for bossing. Is there ever any reason to use weakening on mobile?

[unborn vale]

Yea dark or weakening kinda the same same in my opinion. I use weakening for bossing when v1 isn’t on

[civic arrow]

I see. Thanks for the reply

[sharp sable]

Definitely weakening. Not many sources of -DEF on bosses vs tonnes of sources of BA

[civic arrow]

Yeah that actually makes more sense.

[unborn vale]

Small wins

[dire holly]

YUGEEEEEEE

Our ab got slightly better!

[unborn vale]

I assume we leave on speed aura without v1?

Thats actually a great change for us

[dire holly]

Yea speed with v1

Best change in the patch notes

[civic arrow]

See what happens when I decide to main BaM

You're welcome

[dire holly]

[grand adder]

Just wanna congratulate the BaM community

U guys have a 2 min cooldown and 10s iframe for thr whole party!!!

Hopefully more teams will recognize your strength and utility beyond just raw dps. I always support u guys!

[unborn vale]

What is this

Future BaM change?

[unborn vale]

Dam if that shield change comes in that’s exactly what we wanted

[cosmic ice]

Ayo? We are not the neglected kid anymore??

We probably need to wait about 7months for this tho but atleast there's something to lookup for 🎊

[cosmic ice]

Any chance you could link/upload the original screenshot?

Looks like all the 60-90 sec CDs changed to 120sec with additional damage / lines .
So no more "mini bursts" with only v1&3

[gilded oriole]

KMSM patch

[unborn vale]

Last time we saw these we got the changes the next month

[gilded oriole]

Would love to get the link too

[grand adder]

It’s in Korean msm. U need Korean vpn to read it. It blocks American vpn

[gilded oriole]

😦

Thats a shame :/ Wanted to read up on the other classes 😦

[unborn vale]

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/juCBK4kz63h7H0-7Bef55Q

That’s the link someone sent me

[gilded oriole]

Interesting changes lmao.

[grand adder]

https://maplestorym.nexon.com/1198/board/1215/view/2946461

[cosmic ice]

Weird wanted to upload here the translated patch notes but apparently "it contains content blocked by this server " 🤷🏻‍♂️ I guess y'all should gpt it yourselves

Overall
Shield is 2 min cd, capped to 10sec
Now provide full iframe for team + visable to everyone+10% magic damage bonus (?)

-bursts v1-4 adjusted to 2min but though to understand the changes besides the lines and cd is adjusted

And one of the biggest small wins are

1.v1 can be set along with auras
2. The bossing toggle no longer limit target number to 3 (good for guild honor battle & early game mobbing)

[dire holly]

The 150 hyper change is questionable

[dawn python]

I’m not understanding the third hyper for party shield change. Is that 10% mdmg only during party shield uptime or it’s a passive. If only uptime then that hyper is pretty worthless.

What kills me is that ordinary conversion change. From 10% down to 1%. I think that is our passive heal. That’s a huge nerf. We were squishy and forced to be close range already.

But glad they took the full iframe approach 10s per 120s is kinda short. Wish it is 20s for ourselves and 10s for the party. Or better yet door effect for ourselves. Hehe

[grand adder]

It seems to be a flat 10% passive MD

[dire holly]

20 seconds is way too long. 10 seconds is solid

[grand adder]

With a lot of iframe getting nerf, BaM party iframe is superior

Pretty sure mihile and ilium rhe only other classes that can offer that long of an iframe

[dire holly]

BaM iframe is stationary so it stills requires a bit of coordination

I’m ok with it

[dawn python]

I just checked my ab wheel. I don’t even have fb on it. I guess we still should find a buff spot for v1 for the other benefits. Wish there is a way to activate fb only during v1 uptime.

[unborn vale]

I will take it too, pretty useful for later bosses

Eg dark room in gloom or crystals in archon

Probably something in the new hilla too

[dire holly]

Altars

I wonder if it can still be time leap’d

[unborn vale]

I thought i read it can be time leap

Which could end up being 30s of hold button attacking (shield - leap - shield - stun) 🤣

[dire holly]

The translation confuses me a bit

Because it states that cooldown reduction is prevented

But cooldown reset is not?

So xenon skill to reduce cooldown wouldn’t work?

[dire holly]

Pretty much this. About time we have some proper utility lol

Outside of ark

Oh! The bubble will also appear regardless of transparency settings! That’s a big one

[unborn vale]

Yes it’s a great update really even just for the shield

Hopefully not far away for us

[dire holly]

Hard to say because it looks like part of the v1 change was already implemented with this update

[unborn vale]

[cosmic ice]

I tend to ask for MORE, but 10 sec I frame for a 10men party is pretty huge ngl. I really want this to come live

[cosmic ice]

They noted that it will be shown to everyone regardless or skill transparency

_
Sorry for the topic change but I'm hyped 😅

As lv244 do I still have a need for accuracy? I got suggested to take exp but my sailor belt is much better by all means and I don't need more damage while mobbing rn so I tend to avoid Exp on this belt

Stats unbuffed on mount around 5k acc

[unborn vale]

Good question, i don’t think so to be honest (i went with CR)

I never see any miss hits but i might be wrong

[dire holly]

New update to fair trade, as of right now, has scared teams out of using it as it could potentially ruin runs. So crit rate probably is the better option if you’re running the harder bosses

On top of that it may be viable to put points into crit rate hyperstat as well as adjust legion to max out the crit rate block

[unborn vale]

Completely forgot about that part of the update

[cosmic ice]

I choose crit earlier from the thinking I need nothing
But my flames will be slightly better value with this + who knows maybe new bosses will require 250% crit 🤷🏻‍♂️

[cosmic ice]

You telling me, a Necro build character could adjust in one day to have 200++ crit rate with no FT???
As an veteran inherit user that just recently after years got abso weapon with FT it's super odd to me, it requires to reflame and re-pot , hyper stats legion and link skills (and more I'm on the go with it. Rn)

[dire holly]

I don’t think you need to go that far, but let me emphasize that this is just a fear that teams are having

Extra deaths due to new fair trade could lead to failure

And no, you won’t be able to earn as much crit rate as fair trade gives, but it at least adds some dps back to teams that run the risk of failing due to the changes to fair trade; this, of course, might not be an issue at all if you have enough hp

[cosmic ice]

I see, I thought the US severs just shifted meta overnight over something we just took as "oh gotta watch out but w.e"

Like really few weeks before I got my abso hit I was 250%+max buffed crit rate and capping majority of lines at 5Xm mdc but that's a character that I built for years towards playing with no FT (chaos muspell 5 piece set effect and all what I stayed above)

I was like - yo people doing my whole maple goal in a day for a change I nearly brushedoff 😬

[dawn python]

So a party of 10 bams can potentially be in iframe 100/120s plus stun reapplication is every 90s. Is this the new cheat code for bossing?

[unborn vale]

🤣

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-i-know-thinking-way-ahead-of-you-gif-25742685

[dawn python]

The problem is rounding up 10 bams in a server. 😂

[dire gazelle]

Can 10 bams get enough dps to kill

[cosmic ice]

we 3 bams above the 60m mdc 🤭 maybe with time leaps

[dawn python]

If tl cd is 2mins. Then 6 bam 1 buc and 3 dps is the way to go

Iframed the entire time and laugh at almost all boss mechanics.

And watch we lose our iframe party shield in an emergency patch within 24hrs.

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

No worries Our small number of survivors holding the torch will save us from this being exploited ... Where will you find 6 BaM's with valid gear to boss with 😂 it's hard enough to find a bishop and phantoms per party that aren't leeching lol

[civic arrow]

As a baby BaM ill represent for the new ones out there.

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-patrick-star-where-did-everybody-go-where-did-everybody-go-gif-26605152

[dire gazelle]

Prolly mostly are funded alts not main also

So they would not even bother using their bam.to boss

[cosmic ice]

Bams doing the work

[dire holly]

🤣

[outer crane]

[sharp sable]

Omfggggggghhhhhhhh this is literally the best news of 2025

[unborn vale]

I now want the shield thing

And 6th job in July?

[sharp sable]

I kinda doubt it but we shall see hahah

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-shrek-please-beg-pretty-please-gif-9647046979984591269

[civic arrow]

They better release xp boost when they release 6th job.

[paper basalt]

most likely

i doubt they will delay 6th job becuase kmsm also had problems clearing vhilla when she was first introduced until 6th job is released the patch after vhilla

plus next month is annivesary for us

[civic arrow]

Im gonna be so sad while waiting for my 45 more levels lmao

[paper basalt]

haha

i plan to make a proper main with their upcoming hyper burning max

1+4 is crazy

[unborn vale]

1+4 is wild

They need to start doing it to higher than 200 soon

[civic arrow]

Hyper burn max is nuts. I hit 260 in like 2 days lmao

[dire holly]

45 levels to reroll off bam

[cosmic ice]

Lol I thought no you mixing it up with PC version

I really doubt MsM will do 1+4 to 260 in the next year's 😅 there are no 260 s yet it make nonsense lol ... Sadly neither to 250... I'll definitely take a 1+1 till 250 tho (crying as 244)

[paper basalt]

no

its 1+4 to 230

i just look at what kmsm got

6th job in mobile is 250

[cosmic ice]

230 is such an odd number, idk who's behind these events ... Even if 250 for unlocking the new job is "too much" (as of the amount of money&time it requires isn't too much) why not upping it to 235 for unlocking all symbols or 240 to get you to a level worth re-rolling at 🤷🏻‍♂️
Cuz this ain't for mains the amount of 200-230 "mains" that worth putting effort too is probably the same amount of 256-259 players

We will see I guess

[paper basalt]

I hope it will be different here

But its nexon

They gotta milk whatever they can milk

[paper basalt]

There is also a 1+1 levelling event on the side

But im not sure if its free or not

[civic arrow]

Ill do that at 249

Do yall use dark genisis during bossing? I havent checked if it was an increase or not.

[dire holly]

Dark Genesis is a complete passive skill now for bossing

The active effect could potentially be used for farming but the line count is quite low so you may not be able to one-shot with it

[unborn vale]

Same as Restore, i have it in the wheel for AB for some more AoE but not for bossing

[civic arrow]

Thanks yall

[neat berry]

are Bams a credible class now?

[dire holly]

In what way?

[neat berry]

good bossing or farming class?

just curious if I should add it to my rotation or not

[neat berry]

🧐🧐

[civic arrow]

As a new BaM main I would say play it if you like the aesthetic. I feel pretty weak tbh lol compared to other staff users with similar gear but i really love the way the class looks and plays. Mobbing felt pretty crappy pre 200 but post 200 it becomes pretty decent with all the summons.

[dire holly]

You can add it to your rotation to get it to lol 200 for your legion board, but if you’re not going to put much effort into the class you probably won’t see its full potential

Bossing is bad, but ultimately any class can be good if you put enough money into it

Farming… well let me tell you

We are horrible lol

[neat berry]

well damm haha

[neat berry]

I do like the aesthetic of the class but idk if I have the resources to get it to a respectable level

maybe one day ill revisit

[dire holly]

The aesthetics are really nice, but if you’re one of those players who care about numbers then this class is not it

No I-frame (yet), burst timing is a little wonky, too many summons could make it difficult to deal the most damage in some bosses that are a bit more mobile, farming was slightly improved but still needs work, etc, etc.

We are, according to a pic that a user sent here, supposed to get a 10 second group iframe in the future, so maybe we’ll be more viable as a “support” then

Most of us here choose to play bam because we like the playstyle and aesthetics of the class (pretty much what PK said). We’ve come a long way in terms of our dps and quality of life improvements, but there’s more that can be done for us moving forward.

[neat berry]

thank you for the breakdown. im a corsair main but while working on my legion ive been experimenting with a bunch of classes. ive been missing out on some cool ones

I think you guys are cool 🫡

[dire holly]

A lot of classes are “cool,” but I wouldn’t let that sway you from your current main lol. Corsairs are an interesting class too

[neat berry]

yes we are haha im def not going anywhere

its just fun to see whats out there. im a lil stuck on my corsair, so im trying to find some other classes to play while I work on necro gear for my main

[dire holly]

Oh for sure. I’ve also found a lot of other classes fun, and I’ll maybe try to invest a little bit into them even if I don’t play them any longer lol

Like my hayato. He has an unrefined mythic secondary and necro wep

My erel has a mdc soul necro wep at like 27sf

My Sia has a necro wep

If I could I’d gear all my alts with necro weps lol, but that’s too costly

[neat berry]

🫨🫨🫨🫨

[neat berry]

I can only hope to get to this level someday

[dire holly]

Eventually yea

When your main has all necro/ancient gear

Well you technically don’t need to go this far lol

I just do it for fun because I enjoy the class

[cosmic ice]

Lol we might have to pin this

BaM
Pros-

1. has grim reaper and cool purple spells
2. Teleport is unique and fun/useful when manually playing
   3.?

Cons-

1. Relatively weak to other classes
2. As for now isn't considered as "true support" unless you really min.max and has no other options (as the party maker)
   3.along with being "weak" pretty bad in bossing overall due to summons and DPM (not burst) type of skills (require overseeing patterns and react fast to not lose dps, majority of the time it's impossible to fully use the whole burst )
3. Mobbing is a joke even with the recent change to v1 which made it a lil better
4. Oh and besides the common mage skill , no iframe 😂

Conclusion - play it if you find it fun / you wanna feel unique/ abuse lower competition on class related content (idk who really cares about but ya..)

[unborn vale]

I actually think our dps for stationary bosses is pretty decent

Like gloom etc

[cosmic ice]

you cant fit your 40 sec burst there. also dont have iframe good enough to commit to keep bursting. same for harchon you lose alot of dps between sheilds (when you have to hop out to not proc light and wait for others to remove shield) damien is hella though when he jumps around , lucid p2 same , will when you change rooms/he teleport or disappear p1/p2 and OVERALL the facr you cant fit full burst when ds4 is poping (if you hold and use when you see ds4 you waste like 3sec out of it assuming you had fast reaction, if you preuse again not full potential is used unlike alot other classes with proper 5-15sec bursts )

now, can you work majority of these issues around ? 100% . i know you do, i do it too but it still requires effort the other classes dont have. not everyone wanna "try hard" to still be a mid-dps with same stat comparison to other classes...

bottom line, you are at the top 1% of players, let me tell you that im weaker than you and im still in the top1% of players, so we aint a good example for "yeah sure the class is fine" lol theres a solid reason why this class is not common to see at end game

[civic arrow]

BaM needs an atk speed increase badly from what I have seen so far. Our sycthe takes for ever with each swing lmao

[dire holly]

There are many improvements that can be made; attack speed definitely is one that should be improved

V2 re-summon function is a little weird. You cannot replace altars if you’re too close to the currently-placed set; you have to go further away to replace it. The charge time along with the total number of altars per charge needs to be removed because there are many times where we lose dps if the boss moves out of it (Lucid p2 is a good example).

V3 re-summon feature is also a bit of a joke because I think it still has a cast time?? That and the skill only lasts 20 seconds.

V4 portal is useless and needs to be altered similar to our future shield changes to be shown regardless of our transparency settings. It’s also pretty useless in ab (although it has gotten a little better with the v2 change).

Sweeping Staff in my opinion is still on the weak end for being a lvl 170 skill. Hit count could be improved further as well as improving the hit range.

The future change to 150 hyper also has be worried about the longer charge times for condemnation attacks when it’s on cooldown.

[cosmic ice]

we tested if it works as teleport from boss to alter... it works only for ourselves since the 20men team isnt count as "party" ,,, we are so useless

in the new guild content ^

[dire holly]

Yea there are lots of little improvements that can be made to make us more useful on the supportive end

I was thinking earlier that they could do something similar to what they’ve introduced to the new pc maple class link skill

They could added hp% reduction (not sure what %) to our blue aura hyperskill

But that might be too powerful

[cosmic ice]

idk , even if they give us 10% fd and 10% more lines on each skill we still be on the mid level dps .
even if and when the 10sec team iframe will go live - you still wont be in the "most have" classes like bishop shade and phantoms

bam's are just too far behind the top to easly non-intentional "break" the class and make it op... im not worried about that 😅

im just happy that the 6thjob with origin are coming soon , which will make all bosses easier to a do-able level

[dire holly]

@unborn vale Have you done punch king event yet?

[unborn vale]

I have but not ‘properly’

What’s your score?

[dire holly]

Dangit I was curious what your score would've been because I think our scores are similar enough in culvert

[unborn vale]

I think I’ve done 150k

[dire holly]

Dang

Not properly?

[unborn vale]

I had buffs run out the last 20s or something

But didn’t time it like culvert

[dire holly]

So it was proper minus the 20 seconds

Ah

Not much time left to get a proper run in

[unborn vale]

Just entered right after bosses 🤣

[dire holly]

Are you number 1 in your region/server?

[unborn vale]

Oh i havent looked, either 1 or 2 as there is only 2 bams in eu

[dire holly]

Praying you get rank 1 for the effect

[unborn vale]

135k not 150

[dire holly]

Dang no competition

[unborn vale]

But seems ok for 1st

🤣

[dire holly]

135k pretty solid

Curious to see what strat you'd come up with if you had competition

[unborn vale]

I can have a proper go later before the event finishes

I think you would need to have the cooldowns with like 30s left before entering?

Then try to have a full 1 minute in stage 10

Of power and v1 etc

[dire holly]

Hmmmmm

I cannot say right now lol

But v1 is 40 seconds

[unborn vale]

Or at least cast v1 once reached stage 10

[dire holly]

Hmm yea that seems fine

[cosmic ice]

Looks like a tough competition 😅

Our server we got 3 BaM's 2 are full abso and me but I think I have 2nd highest mdc

[civic arrow]

then there is me with my 1k+ score LOL

[civic arrow]

Nvm i just got it to 2.2k. Moving on up

[dire holly]

Nice! 2x improvement!

[cosmic ice]

Got 142k~
I did some sweaty rotation not even sure how useful it was 😅

[cosmic ice]

is it "just happen" to resemble our v3 , or did they customize it for each and every class? cuz if they did, thats pretty impressive and suprising from thier side

[civic arrow]

If its custom that will be sick to see

Oh it is unique for each class

Nice!

[dire holly]

WHOA there’s a scythe in the center? That’s nice that they made each one unique

[dire holly]