Battle Mage

[cosmic ice]

Read grim contract description

Basically a strong long range attack towards the direction your BaM is facing

[idle wyvern]

[idle wyvern]

thanks

so ugh

what skills do yall use for bossing 200+?

[cobalt crater]

finishing blow, aura scythe, altars, abysal lightning and grim harvest

shield for ark screen crack, lotus push attack move, damien to reduce orb damage

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/this-deathmonkeyxl-deathmonkey-this-post-this-message-gif-24125642

[outer crane]

[unborn vale]

[outer crane]

I raised my cap to 4000

[outer crane]

I’ll try this again
See if there’s any improvement

[unborn vale]

Dam GG! How did you get to 40m?

Some Abso armour?

[outer crane]

Yes

I exalt my abso shoulder to lv58

And I crafted a dream belt

[unborn vale]

Oh dam that’s how

I saw the belt on YouTube, congrats!

[outer crane]

thanks

[idle wyvern]

TYTY! sorry I was super late!

[tacit parrot]

Finally first NDamien clear !!

[dawn python]

@dire holly any progress on getting our v4 trigger able by battle burst or any exceed skill? That could really improve our mobbing.

I also see that @unborn vale is now leaning towards have a burst mode for our v3. That would really help too. Return v3 to original stat (longer duration, less hits) with a burst mode that 1/4 duration and 5x hits would be awesome. And of course my personal pet peeve of having a secondary activation mode for v2 so that we can place all four down instantly while ab like we do with downarrow during bossing. Thank you very much.

[unborn vale]

Yes i want all of this!!

Especially doing CRA or faster bosses i really notice the lower burst speed we have

But we will see

[dawn python]

Yea, we aren’t bursty like other classes. Which can make us feel slow doing the easier bossing content.

[unborn vale]

I saw Echo did a video on Battle Mage

But i dont think he had any idea about our skills 🤣

[dawn python]

lol. Yea thinking our v2 is a burst. And confused why we werent. placing it down at cd

[unborn vale]

Cries in BaM

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

i give him that, he knows how to spot a skilled bam when he sees one 🤭

[unborn vale]

Oh it was you

I thought i recognised the outfit

[unborn vale]

Hey guys - any tips for using v2 on lucid phase 2?
Do we basically have to stand on top of the boss and drop all 4? Or summon 1 by 1?

[outer crane]

Good question
I’ll make a video then.

[cobalt crater]

make a square

[unborn vale]

I was dropping 2 and 2 which seemed to be ok but when it flies up or down v2 misses 😦

[sharp sable]

a diagonal would be better @unborn vale

or a figure 8

but that's too much set-up time

but could be viable during charge phase? @outer crane lololol. id get tired of placing so many altars during a boss run

[unborn vale]

Haha i know that’s what i was thinking

I did try the 1/1/1/1 in diagonal but it takes ages, almost not worth it while missing attacking

Maybe just stand on the same platform as Lucid and place all 4

[dire holly]

And this is why bam is bad in lucid

I place one by one, but making sure to follow lucid’s movements

You always want to make sure that lucid is in between the altars so you will have to place it ahead of her

Sometimes this isn’t possible depending on where she decides to stop

Also keeping track of where she comes back to after she rages is a good idea. You should be able to prep a few altars while she’s in rage mode as long as she’s not in her spawn area

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cry-phone-spider-man-cry-phone-spider-man-phone-toby-phone-gif-12875606672124040541

[unborn vale]

I’ve only done a couple of practice runs now but yea it was not easy with v2

The range of v1 seems to be great though for hitting lucid and golems on other platforms

[sharp sable]

Ya gotta try to memorize where she was before she goes into charge, so you can set some altars up before she comes back

[unborn vale]

Dam @outer crane i saw you hit the 5% abso shoes congrats

🍆

[outer crane]

😊thanks

[cosmic ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWgNAdpJt7E&t=585s
that reality check hits hard, when i struggle cleared Hdamien with 24.5m mdc while this guy with 18m inherit weapon (not chaos) clears it that easly...
but tbh im not really sure whats the diffrences between hard and normal damien in msm so eh

[cobalt crater]

DW has more uptime and more lines while BaM has to place their summons to maxmize their full damage. most part of Damien is kiting the orb to maximize damage. if you're kiting the orb a lot the summon won't always get its full potential

[cosmic ice]

yeah iknow 'why' , but still humbling seeingsomone with such minimal gear clearing it. i really doubt as a bam its clearable at 18m cp

[unborn vale]

Bam definitely not the best at Damien with out summons and boss always moving/flying

[cosmic ice]

Bossing will only equal out if and when hexa is introduced to MsM 🥲 and gl hitting 260 when they keep nerfing exp from AF maps

[unborn vale]

[little umbra]

What are the perfect trios for this class

[cobalt crater]

check pinned

[tiny spoke]

How good is battle mage

[cosmic ice]

Manual play mobility good, skill artwork.

Tricky bossing
Not the strongest
Not really considered as support by many

If you enjoy playing it, it's good
If you want the meta class, that can easily solo bosses with min.req or is really wanted in parties
Not this one

[unborn vale]

Agree with Yoni

[cosmic ice]

the "new" lotus & damien solo modes giving some good ideas now on how well a class preforms , i did comapred my results to other classes with similiarr stats of normal&hard Damien.
our need to pindown the boss / constant resummon stuff effect our damage alot, also the lack of proper short cd iframe and our "burst" being a 40 sec dpm (gotta say it got improved by ALOT with recent patchs ) is not only lacking but very hard to fully take advatage of in bosses like damien
Another aspect , is our vmatrix is alos an hard one to max, at 225 you mostlikely will have to give up on using your hyper (which got a buff recently) and to fully get all you need from your vmatrix you need to be 230+and buying the extra slot or being 235. and it takes a while as a 225/226 myself.

but we got some insane mobility only few can be comoapred to give us some advatages on some mechanics (on lotus you can tap teleport [up] above the debris or can upjump+teleport in damien to easly reposition / dodge majority of attacks
would give it a 6/10 overall with some mid-high player skill requirements (not brain dead class to min-max)

[little umbra]

which v skill worth leveling first?

[cosmic ice]

lol all of them, bossing prio is v1 , mobbing prio is v3 (cd reduction) but i personlly leveled em all equally

i wouldnt get one skill to 25 while the reset is 10 if thats what you asking

[cosmic ice]

Being humbled as a bam each time I see my cdd/legion muels mobbing 😅 that BM does in 30minutes what I do with my bam in full 60min (yes I'm aware of how good is the early levels map layout compared to the crappy 200-230 ones )

I haven't done a proper testing yet with same buffs (I usually buff higher in edege of space) but as for 225-230 it feels like af380 has higher exp rates than my 8-9k kill average in edege of space rn

[dawn python]

We need v4 trigger able by battle burst period.

Also revert v3 and add a burst mode to v3. And add a v2 secondary trigger that is same as down arrow and skill. Then our mobbing issue is probably solved.

[cosmic ice]

Tbh v4 working on AB in any sort will make it enough.
As for v2 making it work that while toggled it will spawn the alter as far as possible (including cross platforms)

But not sure how a burst mode to v3 will help neither to bossing or mobbing.
For bossing you will have to sit on a boss anyway since also your v2&4 requires to .
Mobbing wise, the shorter it is the less mobs it kills so it will also make it worst there

[unborn vale]

V3 burst could be our biggest gain just to get all the damage out in 5sec or something

Otherwise it rarely uses the whole 20s unless boss is completely stationary

Helps take advantage of ds4 too

[cosmic ice]

Yeah but v3 is easy to adjust it's placement, let's say v4 is much more annoying if the boss is moving (you need the v2 on it rn)

Not really sure how to make bam a bursty class without making it akward NGL, from PC version it was meant to be a dpm class

[dawn python]

Revert v3 to old 40s will help our mobbing. Adding burst mode is as speedo said. Easier to max dps to boss especially mobile boss. I sorta see v2 mobbing as a nice stationary summon that clear a good chunk of map for us with that bossing summon mechanic becoming the secondary activation. It’s optional to those that prefer the current way.

[cosmic ice]

I assume you also meaning that they also buff the overall line of our v3 ?
That's the stats I got on me

My vmatrix (exp mode but the v skill levels are what that matters )

And my recent Damien / lotus / ark runs
(Ignore the damage in numbers but more into the general idea of % damage of a skill from the total dps)

Our v3 isn't our key damage output, lotus (I believe it's the middle battle analysis) is the best damage % indicator since lotus not really moving too much

Really doubt we get another buff to our class. There are so many big issues in the game rn , that I rather they focus on fixing the bigger picture rather than look for small issues 🙄🥲

But I really think, Incase we can actually putout a request as battlemages - v4 should be the main skill to be changed , condensing the damage to shorter period, increasing the lines and allowing it to be used at AB (mobbing) will make battlemages somwhat aligned to other classes rn. We really bad at solo ABing (eos) compared to majority of classes by a large amount . (Slower exp progress , harder to reach higher levels in long runs , all arcane bosses are level gated rn ... Yada yada)

[dawn python]

If we ever get v4 to being a farming skill then I wouldn’t want its duration shortened for better bossing utility. Maybe we ask for a burst mode v4 too. 😂 but yea the primary pain point on bam right now is the very lackluster eos/mobbing performance.

[cosmic ice]

hows your culvert in the past 2-3 months , did anyone notice any changes after the v4 update ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzDC3FSEMIg&ab_channel=StFuPl0x1 this is my culv right after the v4 dropped

since than i added around 3.6m MDC , 3k M.att , more crit damage , more boss , more ied , all v skills & matrix slots increased by a significate amount

yet- this single attempt was 7.3k ish score and now with all my upgrades i consistently score 7.1-7.3k even with all the huge changes

will upload a current culv run (probably need to watch it and figure it out myself too ) but still checking if anyone else notcied similar behavior (boss wise i see a huge positive changes , for ex. my lotus dpm went from 60b ish~ to 120B ish ~ )

[cobalt crater]

I see misses in your culvert score, if you buy the fruit candy acc buff it might help. I believe there's a slightly weaker version in the dojo shop. it helped my BaM's score by 700 points

I would place the grim harvest when your ds4 comes up and aura scythe immediately since it's 80/90s duration

[cosmic ice]

i havent noticed it, culv requires accuracy ? tbh besides to gfb i never use it
will give it a shot

[cobalt crater]

culvert requires it depending on your level

[cosmic ice]

damn you right lol , would never notice it

i mean im 226 kinda shocking i need accuracy at these levels for an outdated guild content

suerly will increase my overall score if i can get rid of these few misses , still trying to figure out whats causes my upgrades not to effect my culv ( assuming the buffs remains the same from whative used in the uploaded pov)

[cobalt crater]

Definitely not an outdated content, probably just something you didn't notice until it was pointed out

that's why I recommend getting accuracy belt but once you're a higher level then it doesn't matter

I scored 8.7k this week. here's my stats and v matrix if you wanted to compare

I don't have any ied flames on this character, just my dom pendant

[cosmic ice]

Thanks,
Not as a flex but my stats are higher ,mdc,ied,m.att&vmatrix
Which makes it even more annoying 🥴 definitely I move wrong/too much

Or might even be just the "misse"

[cobalt crater]

no worries I was just about to point that out too. I definitely think you can score much higher

[cosmic ice]

Btw off topic

Why you have sharp-eye? You look like a Necro user

[cobalt crater]

differences that'll probably be is the necro weapon and acc buff

I had it from damien, didn't swap off and my character could use a bit more CD

[cosmic ice]

Fair, but isn't 10% boss from speed better than 12% crit damage -3%m.att?

[cobalt crater]

don't think it's hitting it's cap so that why it's there. I could use mana overload but I got lazy to swap

[cosmic ice]

Ohhh nah bruh mana overload is by far better

[cobalt crater]

I think so, but I'm not too worried about extra damage

[cosmic ice]

Like at lvl 1 it's like what 9% finale damage?

[cobalt crater]

what i like to do is wait a little bit on top of the blue meteor stun for like 1-2 second so the purple one stacks up on it then tp away

[cosmic ice]

I also just now removed the resistance skill to take 2x 25 nodes for the hyper skill (and shock) seems like a small boost in dps

[cobalt crater]

don't just tp away immediately

just feel for the rhythm of the stuns and you'll be good takes time to get used to especially when you're also placing summons

[cosmic ice]

Yeah that's for sure ideal , but I usually lose the timing from time to time in the 3min run

[cobalt crater]

it's okay to get stun atleast 3 times but what can you do about it 😂

need them to revamp culvert without the flames and stuns

[cosmic ice]

The PC version of culv could be perfect

As long as you not sleeping you do t really have to move around too much and it's basically a big test doll

Still glad they changed the "original" MsM culv (the one with the cannons) was terribly laggy and required specific timing and teaming up🙃

[cobalt crater]

yea

it was fun while it lasted

[unborn vale]

The dreaded culvert

I can never figure out the best combo for it 😂

[cosmic ice]

Can't wait to get my 40/48 belt to chaos 🥲 giving me nightmares but these are the stats rn

[cobalt crater]

got 9.3k with links in culvert now

did you try again with the acc buff? @cosmic ice

https://i.gyazo.com/b9cc60d9c073b975860c1685254ebe45.jpg

[cosmic ice]

Not yet was busy. Hopefully will do it before reset.
Gartz on the PR

[cosmic ice]

https://youtu.be/0K1jgHfzUZc?si=QZ6VzOIEDMJH3FI6

Not the best start but was on a car drive 😅 the accuracy did help

But still think it super low for my account progress...

[cobalt crater]

LETS GOOOOOO

looks good to me

[unborn vale]

Nice! I recorded mine tonight too

[unborn vale]

https://youtu.be/tk3oOFtB_l0?si=DK18lOo-VIFNqVGR

@outer crane do you move around in culvert or stay on the right?

[outer crane]

Stay on the right

[cosmic ice]

seems like i have alot of none crits , anyone have the crit res value in culv?

[cobalt crater]

i'd assume somewhere around 40-60%

so ideally you wanna be over 140-160% cri rate value

without necro

[unborn vale]

I think culvert is like 100%

Even with necro we need to buff crit rate to keep hitting

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-yes-sir-gif-21589754

[cosmic ice]

eh make senese i guess... i think iwas somwhere between 160-170 with 700ish crit atk

ill get 6% crit when i chaos my belt and around 5%~ ish from jewels (i still using exp event tho i gives me little to no value rn)
i guess the only way to have 200% crit as inherit is having full pitch set and high sf 🙃

the flame changes was peronnal hit for inherit users who needed to choose between crit% to ied...

[idle wyvern]

Bams life

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-hardest-thing-ive-ever-had-to-do-i-havent-had-a-very-hard-life-ed-helms-andy-bernard-gif-17634765

[idle wyvern]

its fun

[cosmic ice]

You cosplay PC maple on MsM? 😅 Also I'm pretty sure you missing buffs you look too slow/teleport short

Use dash+ teleport it's faster moving for moving left/right

[idle wyvern]

what do you mean?

[cosmic ice]

buffs you need to have are
Grim contract which you using
One of the auras
Teleport boost
Staff boost
Dark shock

You also have maple warrior now but in eos you probably don't need it

[tiny spoke]

Does battle mage have any iframe skills pre level 200

[unborn vale]

It does not, apart from the shield for Ark cracks and mu lung ; (if you count that)

[tiny spoke]

Dang

[unborn vale]

Pre 200, its not a great class 🤣

I love it after 200

[cosmic ice]

i legit wouldnt recommend this class at all tbh.
only reason to play this class if you either just like it for the way it is
too op and need to set yourself limits 😂
played it on pc maple and just here for the fun

even post "rebalances" and pretty shockingly good skill upgrades we arent close to compete the top 10, i would say we aint even in the middle barcket of classes (my way of seeing "power" is how the class handles solo content and how "wanted" it is in parties )

so if you found a "cheap" necro staff and thinking whos your next boss muel > wouldnt recommend

[idle wyvern]

I play because I enjoy it

idc about the rest

[dire holly]

[dawn python]

We need to make our party shield more useful for solo content and I don’t mean mu lung. Would prefer to have it offer some kind of door like extra life for the caster or some kind of iframe. Also buff our life steal aura to have it tick per sec vs per 5s. I feel very squishy. Since we don’t have magic guard.

[unborn vale]

Definitely agree with this, apart from the content where it acts as a shell, i don’t use the shield which is sad

And yes life steal gains i want, especially for the party too as i think it’s would be a really good party buff/heal

[cosmic ice]

Could also rework our hyper skill, if it would be like a mini map attack and function as a mini iframe (similar to how blazing mage hyper works but shorter) will fix both us not having I frame and improve our mobbing

Dark genesis can also be nice to be useable 🤷🏻‍♂️

Weakening aura could provide an actual IED% for party which will actually make us useful in parties AND value in solo content

[unborn vale]

I’m game for all these changes

[cosmic ice]

As if only we had a worthwhile suggestions box to drop these idea at

@outer crane remind me brother , you also using chaos weapon right ? And you have yt channel you uploaded your culvert somewhere ?

[outer crane]

Actually I crafted into abso a few weeks ago.

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-joe-pesci-pesci-what-gif-10718026964868693743

Wow congrats 🤯

[outer crane]

[cosmic ice]

Gartz!

Any chance you remember your crit % fully buffed pre abso weapon for culvert?

[outer crane]

197%

[cosmic ice]

Full crit rate jewelry?

Got my chaos set effect 2 days ago. (6% crit) Might rebuff to test my culv with it

Expirance d another 1/16 "30%" success rate 🤮 this happens to often (3rd time) they some "salt" in Thier "RNG" gens...

[idle wyvern]

200% is max needed for 100% on Culvert right?

[cosmic ice]

That's what speedos said. Last time I done it with 170 I had few non crits. But not 30% .
That's said I'm not 100% sure how crit atk works or crit res%

[cosmic ice]

idk it feels like that culv score is more about luck than stats

[outer crane]

Seems like you need some more Ignore rate

[cosmic ice]

had a bunch of "free" leg flames from last event & achievements (will get 4 more in 3days ish)
not buying anything from now on they dont deserve our money till they start working for it

pretty sure @unborn vale you managed to score higher with simillar stats and less IED right?

[unborn vale]

Yea i think my stats are similar to this with bit more mdc (but not so important for culvert) and i think i was at about 16/17k

I got to 10.5% ied now and got to 21k this week without boss rush

[cosmic ice]

its either the level (miss rate & vmatrix) or necro (crit% ) factorying than

or both

im not using the resistance skill, the extra attack skill from hyper stat is like lvl 5/6 and skills are lvl 50 to max all V skills. theres room for some "passive" improvements🤷‍♂️

[idle wyvern]

oh, yea its 200% for sure

[unborn vale]

Oh fair, I just finished maxing my v matrix skills (not the decent ones)

That final damage one helps a lot

[rare umbra]

Anyone have AB/Boss wheel I can use?

Also hyper skills and perfect trios

[outer crane]

New stats

[outer crane]

Left three are the perfect trio

As for Hyper Skills
I recommend 1 3 4 5 6

[rare umbra]

Thank you!

[unborn vale]

Dam nice! 60k matk?

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-11638060812026845608

[idle wyvern]

It’s a combination of how or when some skills proc. For example the timing of executing DS4 is important so you can maximize its time.

[unborn vale]

Got my new pb without boss rush or this current ied event buff ! Big one this week hopefully

[dire holly]

[outer crane]

New high score

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

[outer crane]

[cosmic ice]

xd each time i compare our bossing to any other class it hits me hard 😵‍💫

had to solo damien again this week. 26m cap 11.2 % base ied but man it was hella close...

[tiny spoke]

Popular class

[junior egret]

This is not that bad lol

[tiny spoke]

Why so many people play this class. Is it the skills animation??

Think I might make a battle mage

[cosmic ice]

You debating for weeks now 😭
Just create one , you need one of each job anyway for legion and linkskills .....

[paper basalt]

Im surprised there’s over 9k chats in the bam forum

from what i heard Bam is really good in pc

Cool concept tho

[tiny spoke]

Sorry

[unborn vale]

No 545Z but getting better

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

If i can be bothered to unlock the next node slot i could use another self buff too but not sure what that will give

1.9b feels a lot 🤣

[dire holly]

Will skill could probably help a bit

You'd also have to level it though

[unborn vale]

Oh yes waiting for that to drop in price a bit

It’s like 6b still

[dire holly]

For a single one?

[unborn vale]

Yea 🤣

I think only 1 team has cleared in EU

Maybe 2..

[dire holly]

Yea I don't think the number of teams that cleared in Na Scania are too high either

But the node prices are quite low

Think I got mine for under 2b?

It helps BaM farming a lot

[unborn vale]

That’s good to know! I’ll keep an eye on the prices

[cosmic ice]

you guys scored higher in the acron punch thing comapred to culv right?

[unborn vale]

I haven’t done it properly i dont think 😅

Just unbuff with boss gear on

But i guess i would as i get an ok score without buffs

[tiny spoke]

Got my battle mage to 200

I week easy

[tacit oak]

are battle mage V skills usable during AB?
Cz I want to make battle mage as my mule without pets

[unborn vale]

I think only v2 and v3 (i have v4 on pet as i dont think it triggers in AB?)

[dire holly]

It triggers, however, the conditions for it to activate is usually never met (attacking a branded enemy)

[cosmic ice]

In A2U there are like 3 BaM around the same score and one that scores like all 3 😅
Mulung is a fight lol

[idle wyvern]

[sharp sable]

Bam is gonna be so good for gloom

Team-wide Abnormal status RES/cleanse/speed/lifesteal and shield gonna save so many lives

(But people we still won't get any recognition since most people don't know about our support buffs )

[dire holly]

Well said sir well said

[idle wyvern]

teach them

guide them

shuveth down their throaths

[sharp sable]

@outer crane's got it

He's YouTube famous

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/hacks-wallhacks-meme-true-facts-gif-18229319

I need to change my hyper point back to blue aura for gloom dont i

For the dispel

[outer crane]

Gloom is quite difficult..

[cosmic ice]

Really? Compared to will? Or you mean just to reach the dps required

I know PC version wise gloom is the most straightforward "hard" boss basically a burst meter

[junior egret]

It would be here as well if not for the fact you get 2 shot by pretty much everything

[unborn vale]

You need a bam in your team obviously

[junior egret]

[outer crane]

I passed Gloom last week

lol

[unborn vale]

How was it? Congrats

[dire holly]

BaM has no iframe (v4 doesn’t count) so it’s rough

[unborn vale]

[unborn vale]

Isn’t shield quite useful in gloom?

[dire holly]

Good at reducing damage

I don’t think it does much of anything else

Blue aura hyper is probably useful when it activates. I’ve had this hyper for a while and it’s now kind of useful?

[unborn vale]

So we continue our OP support role 🤣

[dire holly]

I wouldn’t say OP is the right word

[unborn vale]

Ah yes i did think this would be, i don’t have the hyper on blue aura atm

[unborn vale]

Joking ofc

UW - underwhelming is better

[dire holly]

Yea… the reactivation cooldown is still too long in my opinion but it’s better than nothing I suppose

[dire holly]

Sadly..

Gloom scary for BaMs

[unborn vale]

Holding hope for another rebalance

[dire holly]

Lots of classes can I-frame dark room but we run around clueless LOL

[dire holly]

[cobalt crater]

need more attack speed/ faster animation on teleport to telecast in the air more often

[dawn python]

We need iframes and ab that trigger v4

[unborn vale]

Yes please

[outer crane]

Nice

6500

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

The new mdc is so high I'm considering going back to m.att soul 🤭

[gilded oriole]

What the.. always chase the mdccc

[cosmic ice]

im using a lame 1.6m soul haha but nah ofc i gonna keep it. even tho i do have to buff alot to reach mdc

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/jaw-dropped-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-no-way-oh-my-god-gif-6122530990630956765

I think i need some more matk to help with capping now, haven’t tried a buffed boss run yet though

[cosmic ice]

Xd you definitely should . Even for my lame 34m I need to full buff to cap with at all times

What's your legion?

I do think about doing something with the souls tho... My weapon is a mag queen soul, my gear is Damien/lotus for max stats

I'm missing 1k m.att for that soul effect

[unborn vale]

7800 now

[unborn vale]

Oh yea i have all my souls matching the weapon (vellum) for the matk boost

[cosmic ice]

Damn that's nice

[unborn vale]

I made gear for Erel but it didnt come out so used it to Tera burn a new character

[cosmic ice]

I'm at 6.6 ish should get that 6.7 soon with the burnning

I'm just burning an existing archer ... My legion bonus from them is low

[dawn python]

I would do wind archer. I think that’s the easiest mobbing archer.

I don’t understand pathfinder at all.

Bm and mm are strange too to me.

[cosmic ice]

bm is pretty decent too

but wa seems slightly better

eitherway it dosent matter , they at sf 168 hyper burnt and with all the new exp curve.. a week and i forget they exist lol

[cosmic ice]

I lied . The mayo mission rewards gave so many hyperstat reductions ifall into sf 180 😅 I guess I'm transferring that cra set when he's 200

[tiny spoke]

Mercedes?

[cosmic ice]

Mm-marskman
But Mercedes is squishy from what I remember. Been few years tho 😅

Level 200 is legit free. Took me 24hours to reach 197 .... And I haven't even ab'ed at hot times

[cosmic ice]

Share some BaM culv pr's

If anyone has "tips" or even better - vids of your burst rotations in bosses like Hdamien/lucid/gloom/will
Will be cool

[unborn vale]

This my latest one, i forgot the kerning mdmg ring so maybe just over 31

I’ll record my next Damien and lucid runs this week

[cosmic ice]

Awesome!
I used to skip that ring cuz of using Cygnus ring I can get the next StarForce lib for more mdc crit etc...
I guess with the new cap I might wanna re-check if it helps... Even tho I need the crit badly

[cosmic ice]

Thanks bud, would be useful for sure

That's my pre-patch ndam chart. Wasn't fully buffed cuz it was a re-run after hdam fail so ignore the dps but the burst timers shouldn't be diff

All bursts felt awkward af. Majority of it went to waste... I know I could definitely get to 80 dpm / 100+ top dpm (relatively , ignoring the huge boost we all just gotten)

[unborn vale]

Yea that’s what I’m doing now for like 200k more sf 🤣 and then keep forgetting to switch for culvert

[unborn vale]

Nice! I think BaM rotations seem to be tough in damien as hes never on the ground long enough

[cosmic ice]

Origin bind next year will make it easier 😉

But till than I need to screw myself in these higher bosses

[cosmic ice]

thats today's run after changes, i did missed the 50% magic attack buff for the first phase + some of p2, and had alot of orb aggro but idk i thought there will be a much higher diffrence

i think i found the issue, seems like i missing alot of crit / actually missing ?

[sharp sable]

Time for abso weapon

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-agent-smith-hugo-weaving-the-matrix-interesting-gif-9808495185908476156

[cosmic ice]

Better min.maxing suggestions?

For Damien I will replace resistance for fly

Kinda regrating going mdc 25 first and not crit&fd

But I guess it will be fixed in 5 levels either way

[unborn vale]

I stopped using blink for damien

Just up teleport instead

Has anyone done Gloom yet? Does our shield do anything useful?

@outer crane

[cosmic ice]

team still was on babysteps(didnt wanna be any extra even tho it works fine at solo for me), should be on a new team for hdamien today maybe next week ill try w.o it

[unborn vale]

Yea very fair, and blink is useful if you have orb for ages and just need to hide

[cosmic ice]

🥳

[outer crane]

Yes for decreasing damage

You can use shield while everyone is standing in the middle

[unborn vale]

Yea boi congrats!

[unborn vale]

Ok thank you!

[cosmic ice]

lucid is easier than damien 😅

[outer crane]

Yes
That’s why the price of the stone from lucid goes straight down now

[forest venture]

anyone have a pre200 ab wheel for like lvl 140~? 😄

[unborn vale]

I think just finishing blow and battle burst all you need (maybe dark Genesis too for some range)

[forest venture]

is it in one preset? or just one

[unborn vale]

I used to preset them if I struggled to stay alive

Otherwise just the one if you stay alive easy

[forest venture]

cool! thank you!

[wheat sequoia]

Can’t decide if I wanna go lumi or battlemage need some opinions ?!

[dire holly]

Go Lumi and don’t turn back

Also, Lumi has some buff that’s good for Gloom, but that’s assuming you plan to stick it out for that long

Also, also

Lumi has significantly better farming/aoe than bam

I think the takeaway is that bam is more fun to play manually, but Lumi has it beat in pretty much every other category

[forest venture]

@unborn vale did you go 3x finishing blow, 1 dark aura, 1 weakening aura? I read online that was the recommendation but not sure what you thought was best for farming sf144?

[dire holly]

I’m not Speedos, but yes that is the recommended

Technically if you’re never going to get your character to 200+ then it’s pointless having an extra point in dark aura

You’ll only use weakening aura pre-200

The final point (again assuming if you’re not going past 200) is a bit pointless in bossing

But I believe that shield cooldown is the best choice

Or duration

[forest venture]

ooooo i didnt know you are suppose to use weakening aura over blue aura

i have been using blue aura since i am only in unique gear

@dire holly thanks for the info!

[dire holly]

[forest venture]

This is my current gear

[dire holly]

Blue is honestly a waste of a point because the dispel, while it is nice on paper, the activation times are, as far as I can tell, random (I.e., it doesn’t activate when you want it to)

I have it because I feel that it’s useful in some bosses when it works, but it’s not ideal

[forest venture]

is the dmg reduction not worth having?

[dire holly]

At your level you’ll probably benefit more off of the extra damage

On top of that weakening aura effects the mobs so your teammates benefits from this as well

[forest venture]

ooooooooooo ok

[dire holly]

Blue is good if you have troubles surviving

But if you’re not dying then weakening is a lot better

Or better yet

If you’re one-shotting mobs then maybe consider using yellow aura to move around quicker

[forest venture]

oh definitely not one shotting mobs, i am so weak haha

but maybe when I get my weapon to legendary I can swap to that

those are good points

[dire holly]

Weakening will definitely help then

Honestly weakening and dark aura are comparable in farming, but in bossing you’d want weakening aura

Weakening also has a longer effect range than dark as well

[unborn vale]

Nothing to add from Restore’s advice

https://tenor.com/view/iamproudofyou-my-hero-gif-4096505581688945369

[forest venture]

i'll give weakening a try now to see if i survive at all, i only have 40k hp now, earlier this morning i was dying a lot

thank you for the helpful tips!

[unborn vale]

Yea bam is squishy as it doesn’t have the magic guard like the other mages

[forest venture]

might take the mesos i farm to upgrade my outfit to legendary

[unborn vale]

But it gets better

[unborn vale]

Nice yes!

[forest venture]

do you guys typically fuse at 18 to get 17 legendary, or would you recommend just using rank up stones? i have heard and read differing opinions

[dire holly]

You’ll definitely have troubles surviving at sf144

And sometimes it won’t even be your fault

Sometimes you’ll just walk up to someone else taking some punches and you’ll just die from it

If you’re at that 2 shot range with blue aura then I would suggest sticking to that

If weakening can help you one shot then switch over to it instead

I wouldn’t recommend using Dark Genesis either since the hit count is so low and it’ll only draw more aggro towards you

[forest venture]

so jsut finishing blow and battle burst?

[dire holly]

This is assuming it cannot one shot

[forest venture]

yea it defintieyl cant one shot

[dire holly]

Pretty much yea

[forest venture]

i think it takes me 5 finishing blows to kill tehse tbh

[dire holly]

I would even go as far as to remove battle burst lol

But it has high skill damage and provides some much needed mobility to an otherwise terrible mobbing class

[dire holly]

Ok yea definitely stick to blue aura

You may also want to do daily dungeons on Thursdays for the yellow jewels

You’ll want S-rank jewels for the knockback resistance as well

[forest venture]

what do those do exactly?

i read that people recommend that

but i fused them into xp jewels 😭

[dire holly]

Exp jewels are perfect

When you complete a set you gain a bonus depending on the rank/type of the jewel

So S rank is when you get knockback resistance, and a few other effects, for yellow jewels

[forest venture]

oooooooohhh ok, does it just stop you from getting launched by the mobs

[dire holly]

Pretty much yea

It’s pretty annoying in sf144

Especially since it takes you like 4-5 hits

Getting knocked back probably kills you more than it saves you

[forest venture]

ah gotcha that makes a lot of sense

[cosmic ice]

Wtb 1:1 reroll ticket 🤭

Lumi is an "hero" class > has Freud wisdom common skill = ez class .
As a PC GMS shade main I confirm it's the most op common vmatrix / buff in maple

[cosmic ice]

we got new prio for passive hyper skills for gloom ? does the cleanse do anything?

[unborn vale]

I don’t think so, the dark room piece happens too fast for our cleanse to be useful

[dire holly]

It could possibly cleanse other players in dark room if they get stunned

Hard to tell though

[unborn vale]

If it was quicker it could be great couldn’t it

Or even a team cleanse every 10s

[limpid talon]

does bam shield work as bishop shell in ark? it causes no dmg taken from screen crack or less dmg ?

[dire holly]

No damage taken, but you have to be inside the shield

If you’re doing it with groups then you need to communicate that with your team somehow otherwise they’re not going to know

[limpid talon]

ty

[outer crane]

[unborn vale]

Anyone got any culvert updated scores?

This without BR and everything timed perfect to ds4 (Will skill as well)

Unbuffed stats

[crimson bolt]

That’s beautiful! Amazing job idol!! x

Meanwhile I’m trying to scrap for 20k

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/my-big-fat-greek-wedding-bam-gif-13184196516200693906

[outer crane]

I did my best

😔😔

[unborn vale]

Dam this is huge

What are your stats now?

[outer crane]

[unborn vale]

[outer crane]

I crafted my cape into abso 2 weeks ago

[unborn vale]

I feel like my potential are wrong if my hp is higher than you 🤣

Need more matk

[outer crane]

no need to change them

[glass tulip]

bm op

[unborn vale]

You got the Abso staff right?

[outer crane]

Yes

[cosmic ice]

no ET yet? was expecting you to have it by now 😅

[cosmic ice]

unlocked 6.7k 🎊
whats the recommendations on filling up first ?

[cobalt crater]

move MATK blocks to BA/ MD/ CD

[cobalt crater]

if you're still using chaos weapon, i would keep the CR blocks, but if you're using necro, i would put the CR blocks into these blocks

[cosmic ice]

yeah? i thought on spreading the CD ones into the reset since cd is so inflated from the weapon / emblem

[unborn vale]

What’s ET 😅

[cobalt crater]

the gloom ring, Endless Terror

[unborn vale]

Ohhhh

We are trying

[sharp sable]

R u running around flying or using shield

[unborn vale]

For the dark phase?

Just moving side to side from the mobs, i wish shield was better for this stuff

[sharp sable]

It doesn't block the seduce/root/or confuse?

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Maybe i need to check again but i didn’t think so

[glass tulip]

op

[sharp sable]

Could be op, just stand in shield and attack seahorses and get out of darkness in 5 seconds vs 20

[unborn vale]

Would be a useful shield for sure maybe they will buff our shield this year

[sharp sable]

Dang I just tested, it does not

Wack shield

[unborn vale]

Yea its literally useless in gloom 😦

[sharp sable]

[unborn vale]

Reduce some damage 🤣

[sharp sable]

#buffbam

[glass tulip]

#buffbam

[dire holly]

[glass tulip]

buff bam

[unborn vale]

#buffbam

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

He knows something

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-okkurr-im-smart-think-smile-gif-12399869

Rebalance to double our lines?

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

V5 20000 lines?

[unborn vale]

At least

[dire holly]

[cosmic ice]

lol v5... i heard bam are strong when v6 will be released

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[glass tulip]

op

i frame pls

[dire holly]

[outer crane]

Almost 70k

[unborn vale]

[cosmic ice]

Sold "some" stuff lately might be buying an abso cape (2nd abso)
Rn I'm legit 50-50 on cd/ba emblems but I heard ba isn't a move anymore (?)
Advices considering bam's base critdamage&boss ?

To clearify I'm asking wether to get CD or BA emblem on that new cape

[unborn vale]

I always thought the BA helps us out more relative to CD

But i am not certain which is best

[cosmic ice]

Same, that's why I'm here to collecting thoughts and experiences 😅🤞🏻

Like all I find is "get 400 cd 150 ba"
And I'm sure it's like 3 years out of date lol cuz I'm way past that

[cosmic ice]

Gz on gloom clear btw. Hopefully I'll join that soon

[unborn vale]

Thanks ! I luckily got a very strong carry 😅

[dire holly]

It’s 500 cd minimum

One simple rule is that low skill damage characters should focus more on cd

If anything I’d go 6/2 cd/ba

6/2 I would say is the standard

Things may change, however, due to the addition of bonus potentials

[cosmic ice]

They haven't changed by the abso set effect? And yeah 500 is secured

[sonic sundial]

i need help, what are you trio nodes?

[cosmic ice]

Should be pinned

[sonic sundial]

Thanks!! 🙂

[cosmic ice]

how do we preform in will? any good usages of anything ( i assume no as always, but please surprise me )

[sharp sable]

Grats!! will next

[dawn python]

Our v4 is a such amazing mobbing move but totally unusable during ab. Putting us at the bottom for mobbing. Perhaps the reluctance to make v4 trigger-able by battle burst is that will make us too strong mobbing wise. So why don’t we offer a compromise and give v4 a secondary activation mode where it is only triggered by battle burst and in exchange the duration is cut in half. Surely only 20s of mobbing godliness isn’t too op every 2mins? @dire holly please run this up the flagpole and save us suffering bam mobbers.

[dire holly]

I’m not running this up a flagpole as the suggestion is, in all honesty, bad.

One thing that you fail to consider with the use of v4 is that mobs take time to spawn in, so halving the duration down to 20 seconds is not a trade off im willing to take regardless of if it is a toggle or not.

Likewise, making it trigger-able though battle burst is simply not enough. Think about how often we walk around or get ks’d; it’s not likely to go off often. On top of that, you have to factor in other skills being used as well (v2, infantry, v3, fb, sweeping, and possibly condemnation should you choose to run it on your wheel).

This whole idea of having high burst counteracts our ability to farm effectively. If you look at our v3 for example, the duration was cut from the previous version in return for slightly quicker attack times and higher lines. Did that help us out in bossing? It sure did, but where it failed us is in farming

If you pay close attention to how v3 works in ab with a full party, you would notice that it actually doesn’t go off often. You’d be lucky to get it to go off more than 2-3 times! <— This is due to what I had mentioned earlier about party members killing mobs as well; they’ll most likely kill it before v3 even gets the chance to recognize that it’s there!

[dawn python]

I’m all for even more mobbing prowess. I was thinking the hesitation behind making our v4 ab friendly is nexon thinks it will be too op. So I was willing to take even a castrated version of v4 that is actually usable in ab. V3 change, was a big hit to our already weak mobbing power level. So no argument there. Again the ideal shift to v3, imho, was to give it a burst mode and regular mode ala demon avenger v3. But they chose to go another way. I and every other bam probably just looking for some mobbing help of any kind. Curious does kmsm bam skills work exactly the same way as ours at the moment?

[dire holly]

Honestly, this is what I want out of v4

We are by far, one of the worst, if not the worst, mobbing class

So give us just the ONE skill that makes all the difference

Now what do I mean by this? I want v4 to randomly spawn dark lightning bolts throughout the entire map using the exact same reactivation cooldown, lines and duration.

BOOM

We decent at mobbing now

[dawn python]

So passive trigger almost like a random large aoe for the duration. That I like very much if we can get it.

[cosmic ice]

I think more realistic change should be applied to both our hyper skill and dark genesis *this way it would also make >200 less horrible as it is

Both could change from 15 mobs to 30.
Either one can be FMA , on DG side cd could be reduced to 15 sec to fit the hyper (besides the passive of DG it has no use in bossing so it dosent make us "OP" if that's what causes stuff to not be changed )

Also our v4 should also have it's duration and attack rate condensed into 20sec period. None of the bosses gives you the option of bursting properly over 20 sec. The only "good" we get from the long term dpm is for stuff like early culvert or dojo , which aren't anyone's concert now due to them being outdated (dojo is too ez. Haven't changed at all while we gotten around 15m FREE mdc, stats, new gear tiers ETC. aka too ez to achieve)

_

Btw, I don't think making v4 AB able will make us "OP". There are planty of classes with FMA skills and multiple of them with low CDs.
Damn, you have eral that his normal attacks hit box is better than your sweepingstaff....
So the game won't break if one of the least played classes get a slight boost...

It's to. A point, that I'm at af510 . I got around 110% clean P.exp. (which is considered HIGH if you not that into looking at stats)
I'm using chaos exp weapon. And it I get less mobs killed than classes with emblem mythic exp weapons which not even one shotting if the crit RNG isn't blessed all lines . That's how weak and wasted our class is.
If you watch the movement pattern of my mage, he will stay in the same box moving around wasting all summons (which is also kinda bad there's no smart deployment toggle for our v2 that will just deploy 2/4 at max range of each other regardless platforms)
And wasting away my p.exp investment...

[unborn vale]

Dont sit on the fence Restore 🤣

I dont even know what BaM needs at the moment, v4 passive for mobbing would be a nice win, I would still like some ‘more lines in less time’ skills for bossing but probably will not happen

Small boost to finishing blow (with v1 off) would be nice as when v1 is down it’s like the batteries ran out 🤣

[cosmic ice]

Staff becomes a noodle 😅

[unborn vale]

Absolutely!

[dawn python]

Widen sweeping staff horizontal hitbox by 2x will be a welcome change too for our mobbing wet noodle status.

[outer crane]

Latest stats

[unborn vale]

Dam very nice, 80m

[dire gazelle]

What is this heaviest hurting stat? I dont see it on my character screen

Oh is that max damage cap

Shouldnt it be "提升伤害之上线代码‘’

[outer crane]

最大傷害 means max damage cap

[dire gazelle]

Thats so odd

It should be "破坏力上限增加‘’

[cosmic ice]

lol not sure whats going on but you 2 just stated 3 different "correct" wording 😂 while even with out knowing what writtin there you could tell by the numbers what it means so all g

[dire gazelle]

I can read chinese but i just dont understand why it uses that iteration

最大伤害 can mean alot of things

[cosmic ice]

its a korean game , it also have or more like had english translation issues in the past . if you go over patch notes you will see planty of time "wording / description fixxed"

[dire gazelle]

Hmmm i guess that makes sense xD

They cant even decide if they wanna use total damage or damage increment

Lmao

[cosmic ice]

^

or wth is crit atk , crit res %

appreantly you cant type wt f

lol

[dire gazelle]

Lol

[cosmic ice]

😂

[cosmic ice]

Lazy Q cuz I assume y'all went through this decision already -
Even tho it's very minimal difference between both options (I kinda need that extra damage)

Which should benefit me more 5 slot levels on the trio or on mana overload ( basically to also increase FD on vmatrix "burst" )
I think the 5 levels are around 1% or 1.5% FD on mana overload, while the 5 on the trio is +10% damage for the skills (not sure if it's also FD or not for these specific skills)

🙏🏼✌🏻

There's also an option to add 5 levels for the other trio , but I don't think it worth it since how minimal the shock damage is and the hyper is always capping (?)

[dire gazelle]

How can i get the first 2 nodestone options

[unborn vale]

I’d probably go Mana Overload as its a fixed gain (even small) over the trio. dark shock which is such tiny damage overall, and i don’t use sweeping staff when bossing

[cosmic ice]

To clearify, the main concern is the main trio or mana overload

[unborn vale]

Oh sorry

Tough one, i guess I’d have to check the dps in the first training

But i imagine it’s really minimal

[unborn vale]

Our shield does nothing helpful in Gloom right?

Feel like it should either help guard from falling balls or in the dark room, given it blocks ark crack/lotus push

[cosmic ice]

nada

i would say we kinda useless as support

[unborn vale]

Was just hoping for myself 🤣

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

BaM quite good at gloom though i think as everything hits it

[dire holly]

Timing our skills for when the eye opens is not great though

[unborn vale]

This is very true

[dire holly]

Seeing that we have a 40 second window and the eye doesn’t even stay open for that long

[unborn vale]

It really makes the ‘non v1’ time feel extra weak

[dire holly]

Yea…

It do be rough for us bams

Like always

[unborn vale]

But it feels like we are only a small change away from being good dps now

Compared to before

Little buff to finishing blow / non v1 and it might feel a lot better

Or reduce the casting time of the summons so they are a bit more instant when pressed

[dire holly]

This would be good

Also, adjusting the recharge rate of v2 would go a long way

On top of that, adjusting v2 to where it can be placed anywhere

[unborn vale]

Always feel funny in guild fort when you enter the room and stand still for 5 seconds casting everything 🤣

[dire holly]

Currently there’s this weird issue where it won’t let you summon altars if you’re too close to the previous set

[unborn vale]

Yes that is annoying

[dire holly]

But yea, I think our non-burst got gutted pretty badly

I don’t mind it, but having to rely on positioning and summons can be a bit tricky sometimes

[unborn vale]

I keep seeing videos of bam 6th job in pc

Looks really sexy

Finishing blow looks different too

There is hope

[dire holly]

I saw some videos as well but I really don’t know what was changed

I see condemnation was altered a bit

Or the reaper attack

Didn’t really see much else

Oh! There was a video of the total hit count of v6 for all classes and let’s just say that we’re at the bottom of the pack

[unborn vale]

That doesn’t sound right 🤣

[cosmic ice]

I have bam on PC, nom burst is even more noddley than in mobile 🫣 the origin is on of the strongest compact skills since it procs com multiple times and branding etc... basically fully aligning with all our passives

At 6th job you also have skill damage bonuses to basically all vmatrix skills and "cores" which buffs your up to lvl200 skills hyper 4th job...
It makes bam from pure garbage to playable if you enjoy the play style . Would never say it's a meta class nor "you gotta try it" class

But ay , I play what I'm familiar with and enjoy being different 🤭

And for the "what could change" I've typed and repeated it way too many times and we are like 5-6 active members here so I don't think it's worth repeating hahahah

But maybe we could sattle at bringing back v3 to it's original duration keeping the the dps it provides now so we could atleast fully alligin our burst and get back some of our lame mobbing back

Was it 40/60 ? Don't even remember.

[rigid frost]

Hey how are you guys surviving the black screen in gloom?
Just ethereal form + kiting ?
Also is blue aura best for gloom?

I’m not sure about my timing cause sometimes I drop before the black screen clears, or I blink and get caught in the tornados .. sometimes when the next black screen appears again, my ethereal form is still cooling down.. shield is not helpful.. any advice?

[dire gazelle]

Aren't you using aura scythe?

[rigid frost]

Yes aura scythe is on my skill wheel

[unborn vale]

Yea shield useless annoyingly

To be honest the best strategy is just to battleburst or teleport until it goes away

Battle burst from side to side, or usually I’ll just wait for the mark to appear and TP/ Battle burst away 1 time and keep attacking

(Unless its same time as the giant laser, then i’ll ethereal / blink)

And i just stick with weakening aura when aura scythe is down

[dire gazelle]

Oh he meant the 30 seconds when it was down

I see

[unborn vale]

Only guessing so 😅

[cosmic ice]

If you good with reactions teleport can be enough, but safer way is to stall 2-3 sec when it starts , double jump into holding blink and EF usually enough to live through it

For the burst phase just stand in the middle and tp to the other way of the first platform and jump on it when the animation is done , we got it pretty easy for this one

[unborn vale]

Yea i like this approach

If my v4 is ready i stay in the middle, cast all the summons and hit v4 just before the platform appears

Then TP up

Makes me feel like a warrior with iframes

[rigid frost]

Ohhhhhhh battle burst …!!
My mates told me to just jump around and I died lol

Great, thanks! Will give this a go

[rigid frost]

Ok cool, yeah I meant when V1 is down

[rigid frost]

Thanks also!!

[cosmic ice]

Feel like I need more BA 🥲 prob gotta replace one item from CD to BA

[dawn python]

Anyone here got access to kmsm? I’m wondering about their linkskills. Specifically if they have lv3 linkskills and if so at what lvl are those unlocked? On PCMS it’s 210.

[jagged cloak]

What hyper skills do people reccomend for BAM - curious about end game ones as I don't want to reset my skills ideally

[cosmic ice]

just take all the main skill related the auras are w.e you feel like you need (personally i wentfull dps) and w.e for shield.
we aint support in the view of others, do w.e helps you. shield has verylow impact to bosses outside of dojo. wouldnt waste anything on it

[dire gazelle]

Hello what do i do with the things like triple blow and quintiple blow lv 1

So far ive been only scrapping them for shards

[south notch]

can anyone share their AB skill wheel?

[cosmic ice]

shred to pieces

[drifting slate]

TOM

[cosmic ice]

i heard we soon getting a huge bam msm buff

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/curiosity-curious-intrigued-interested-interesting-gif-14505707

[cosmic ice]

https://tenor.com/view/perception-is-reality-perception-explaining-awareness-senses-gif-13278980

[paper basalt]

Kmsm 13/3/2025 Patch

Keep in mind that results may change in Gmsm when the update drops

[unborn vale]

Interesting 👀

I cant tell how this would play out, halving v1 time feels like a big dps reduction but i know kmsm is different

V1 and lightning on the same buff time is good though

[dire holly]

That looks terrible

[dire holly]

This is bad

Casting Lightning alone already tastes up a second or two

Not to mention we lose utility from having less v1 duration

All just for 4 lines?

So 40 seconds duration, 120 seconds cooldown

And our core auras get nerfed?

We’re even more burst heavy now

[unborn vale]

Yes that’s my impression of it too, like a big nerf

The other skill buffs don’t seem to be much at all - hope this is just a kmsm only version 🤣

[dire holly]

It's reallly bad

Like v3 lines are nice and all, but if you consider bosses like Will

If you don't time your skills right your dps is no good

And because we are BaMs we are already going to be at the bottom

[unborn vale]

Concerning!

[dire holly]

It really is

[unborn vale]

The Dev note is like the opposite of what they did

🤣

Unless lots of other classes are also going into this 40s window

[dire holly]

It makes no sense man

I hate the change to v1

Cast times from other skills already ruin it

Casting sweeping, casting v4, casting infantry

You have literally no time to utilize v1 extra lines

[unborn vale]

Yes basically get 30s up time

After asll the casting

Let’s hope it’s not this change for us

[dire holly]

It's so dumb

The whole point of v1 is to combine all auras

But with such little duration

And assuming that the auras also get nerfed

It makes it so bad

Draining aura becomes less useful

Blue aura dispel hyper becomes irrelevant (it already is)

[paper basalt]

[unborn vale]

The RR is strong in this rebalance

🤣

[unborn vale]

Did you see any other kmsm changes for other classes? 🫣

[paper basalt]

yes

tdlr, underrated classes got some buffs

[unborn vale]

Oh nice

[paper basalt]

blaze wizard got buffed

mech got buffed

[unborn vale]

It seems like their changes come over to gmsm sooner or later

[paper basalt]

explorer get up jump

like arrow button and jump type

not the skill jump

[unborn vale]

Nice

[paper basalt]

yeah they got that in pc last patch, now they putting it inmobile asap

bishop became more dps centric

[unborn vale]

Thats a nice boost

[paper basalt]

i think shade got nerfed

alot of class cannot be time leaped anymore

oh yeah Ark got buffed

[unborn vale]

This is interesting

Do you have a link?

[paper basalt]

sure

i will send the link here

then i send the translator site

[unborn vale]

Amazing thank you

[paper basalt]

https://forum.nexon.com/maplestorym/board_view?board=1215&thread=2746151

https://translate.yandex.com/en/ocr

so if u wanna screenshot

[unborn vale]

I know it might not definitely happen for us but similar maybe

[paper basalt]

hold Windows Key+Shift+S

then u highlight, its like a box

go to yandex and CTRL+V to paste then it will auto translate for you

[paper basalt]

yeah

so take it with a grain of salt

[unborn vale]

Very cool website to translate!

[unborn vale]

That v2 change looks like auto summon 4 altars??

[dire holly]

It might be a feature that we have but they don't have yet??

I am not too sure

[dire gazelle]

Individual summoning seems really useful for multi platform maps

[cosmic ice]

Ayo, I swear I trolles lmao 😂

[cosmic ice]

I don't get it, we already have it... Unless no one knows about the down key+v2 ? I'm confused af by this

But it's a usual thing for Nexon. Devs never touched the game and do changes "oh numbers are high. That's good they will love it"
They buffed aura passive magic damage (copy pasta from PC) forgot PC damage cap is basically irrelevant while MsM people cap unbuffed 🤡

Btw on PC, while they buffed passives - they also doubled the attack instances and halved the damage % + added some extra value to prevent reaching cap (700b) .
Which kinda make sense for the 0.00001% that were reaching cap before lol

Tbh I already gave up, put bob Marley songs and leech AB(since our PvE sckass too) to reach 250 ✌🏻

[unborn vale]

I’m interested to see what they do for us (if it even happens!)

[dire gazelle]

Delete BaM

[unborn vale]

@outer crane

For your culvert, you cast v1 at the start? 👀

[outer crane]

Hmm maybe I press it too fast

[unborn vale]

Better to start it when the plaforms arrive?

[outer crane]

Yes

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Uh oh

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-gif-21200939

[dire holly]

We not in the picture

[unborn vale]

Im just hoping its not this 40s v1 change

🤣

I’ll take anything else

[dire holly]

No kidding

Make it perma uptime instead

[dawn python]

That v2 additional functionality might have been what I was asking for. Ie toggle so the 4 altar instant summon while on ab

At least I hope it is. If so I will put v2 on my ab wheel again.

If it’s just to save us from the effort of pressing down arrow then big fail.

[dire gazelle]

Does anyone use battle rage for the 25% fdi modifier?

[dire gazelle]

But the altar is more effective when summoned across the map, scattered

Hits more targets

I use it alot in mob count dungeons

Epecially in di & arcane dung

And when doing daily hunt/daily

[dawn python]

If you manually place them yes. That’s true. But I’m talking about ab. While ab altars aren’t that effective. So I don’t have it on my wheel.

If I manual, trigger v4 I can solo ed and ced all within 60s

[dire gazelle]

O

[dawn python]

So I don’t really use v2 except bossing and back when I was doing eos dungeons

[dire gazelle]

I see thats nice

[dawn python]

But if they add toggle to instant summon 4 while ab. Then I will use it farming for sure.

[dire gazelle]

I see

Do they even summon v2 on ab?

Sorry i didnt pay attention at all lol

When ab i just start then look elsewhere

XD

[crimson bolt]

When are we ever 🥲

[dire holly]

For bossing yes

[dire holly]

Pretty sure we were on the cover once or twice

[dire holly]

We do, but it’s one by one and it’s not great

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/forgotten-funny-gif-24480576

[crimson bolt]

Release date was one occasion?

[dire holly]

🤣

I’m sure there was at least one or two other occasions.

[dire gazelle]

Oh

[cosmic ice]

im just happy igot the gloom ring before bam becomes a fancy beginner class 😂

[unborn vale]

The end is near

[cosmic ice]

Ofc it does. But if you in AF maps unless you have mpets just take it off cuz you usually you waste alot of time casting them and majority of the time the has little to no value (covering space worth of ~4mobs per spawn 😅)
You will pick up more meso/nodes taking it down

[dire holly]

I’ve actually never tested this (whether having v2 on/off helps with mesos/nodes)

[cosmic ice]

minor change i would say 5-10% diff. not a biggy

compared 3 "with" and 3 "without" 's with simillar party (it matters too ) and without it on these 3 tests gave slightly more than each of the runs with v2 .
honestly if you have EoS as daily i wouldnt bother for that insignificant change . i also recently got mpets so i couldnt careless eitherway

but if for got knows why you said " yes , BaM will be my meso farming muel"
i would say take v2 off lol

[dire holly]

lol

Yea v2 is very hit or miss

Sometimes you can get good altar placements, and a majority of the time you can’t

What irks me is that when you get outside of the range of being able to cast v2 it’s basically like you never had it on to begin with

And even when you are able to cast it, you have to be in melee range (basically kissing the mobs) in order to place it down

By the time we walk up to the mobs someone else would’ve killed it lol

[unborn vale]

Dont worry they’ll delete v2 on Wednesday

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

And v1 will be 1 line per attack

[dire holly]

And sweeping will be map wide with 0 second cooldown

Also unlimited targets

Attack box widened to be the full horizontal length of the platform that you’re on, so you can hit a mob from a mile away

[unborn vale]

I can feel it

[dawn python]

lol make us best at something at least.

Still waiting for our v4 to become passive dmg aura.

Let’s go. We can dream

[dire gazelle]

That dont even align with the basic concept of battle mages being close range attackers

Lol

If they do that, they might as well just delete BaM as a class

[unborn vale]

This is also a possibility

🤣

[cosmic ice]

Annnnnnnd we lost the v1

They buffed dark shock damage (like 1% to2%) our DPS while cutting by half the v1 uptime 😂

Just saying, if some of you used v1 to increase AB kill count - welp back to yellow aura

Mind as well just proved us with class change tickets of they hate that class so much

[dire holly]

It’s a sad day

40 second duration on v1 and we still have long cast times on skills like infantry, sweeping, v2, v4, etc

Takes it down to more like 30 seconds of usable time

[outer crane]

I’m so sad

[dire holly]

I’m sad

You’re sad

We’re sad

[dire holly]

Ahhh this hurts so bad. Our auto battle just got way worse. Using v1 no longer makes sense in ab seeing that we now have 80 seconds of downtime; so we will probably have to use yellow aura

And I’m still confused on the new feature added to v2

[unborn vale]

God dam

This sucks

[outer crane]

Auto setting I guess

[rigid frost]

40s 😦

[unborn vale]

I think it will be an auto summon of all 4 altars

If we select the additional function

As soon as 4 charges appear it will case all 4

[dire holly]

Could be..

[dire holly]

Assuming it is an additional function (toggle I mean)

You know what’s also bad about v1 change?

We lose the extra attack range during downtime!

Even if our bossing potential goes up after this update, I’m still very sad about what was done to our v1

[unborn vale]

Yea it’s sad

V1 looks coolest too

And nerf the auras at the same time

[unborn vale]

How do we do a before and after test

Line count over 2mins?

[dire holly]

This is the most recent one that I have

I can’t do the math right now so please at least say it’s good news if/when you do the calculations

Forgot this one

[unborn vale]

Very rough calculation is that our line count goes up slightly

13844 to 14019

But hard to know impact on dps

[sharp sable]

Ayoooo Wat the fok is the meaning of this

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/яхочусейчас-gif-20547731

[sharp sable]

Why did they think bams need a nerf?????

90% of all the other classes are getting buffed

[paper basalt]

nexon logic

[cosmic ice]

lol i need to hear that "dev" who "thought" about these changes.
how hard is to just let somone who plays the game give actual pointers ?
they got cd of 50% more capping lines for 40 sec but gave us 2 more lines per slowass attack on each version in return...
oh and hey buffed a skill that if you are ENDGAME bam and could even afford give 2 MAXed matrix slots for it it did like 2% worth... which btw still aint capping most likely
and teleport still dosent trigger dark shock damage and gauge

so many good balancing changes couldve been done with out even getting to the point of changing the skills damage%/lines it werent even the issue now.
why they keep going this lame route. no buddy cares about lines anymore. give us useable skills , right now auras are pointless , the shield is a waste of a slot in the wheel
and overall our tool set it crap besides having mid-air teleport

[paper dock]

Gotta kick the dead horse

[dawn python]

Ouch. That’s a swift kick to the nuts. Our utility is now speed aura provider while farming and non factor while bossing.

That v2 change better be godly for mobbing. 😔

[unborn vale]

Yea basically?

5% BA is pointless and the weakening aura probably not great now either

Draining aura or Speed for bossing?

[dawn python]

I usually do draining

Only hope is v2 while ab now. It better work during ab or im torching nexon hq

[unborn vale]

I hope so

Not clear from patch notes is it

[dawn python]

I’m hoping it’s just single cast of all four altars while ab. Basically a stationary summon that locks down an area at a time.

That plus making v4 passive like @dire holly suggested would get us out of the basement in mobbing to probably mid to upper tier. With just this v2 change (if matching what I imagined) probably just get us to lower mid tier. At least not bottom barrel anymore.

[cosmic ice]

nope, the aura range is so short its basiclly a self buff

[cosmic ice]

eh the current spread is so A s im not sure how it would help beside not evening that super (i do belive they intentionaly did it as bad) bad random placments that just make us spend time casting with no rewards - to atlesat getting rid of it once to maybe clear a platform
maybe if they increased the max distance and auto max range spawn + speed increase for the ball movement i would say it might be a "game chnager" for abing but eh the best we get it it might be not AS bad to have it on post change

But again

the ones responsible to make the changes never read feedback, never played the game more than maybe a casual "i login buy fash and get carried " kind of game play at themost . definitely not bossing.

or even tried looking and compare his ab results from EoS (since the testing defiantly were done on a weak bam if the felt v4 and v1 need damage % buff )

[dawn python]

Well bossing on bam is becoming a lost cause. Let’s hope our mobbing can be saved.

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/hoppy-pepe-the-frog-driving-hoppy-the-frog-carry-minati-gif-11823957163445095231

[dawn python]

We should ask our 150 hyper uptime to be increased to 100% and just battle burst as our mobbing move. At least we will be different.

[dire holly]

I said this? When?

Oh you mean passive lightning

I did I did

[dawn python]

Yea. That would be a super change for us.

[dire holly]

Too bad it’s not happening

[dawn python]

V2 additional activation is actually exactly what I had asked. I’m putting it on my ab wheel now. That’s a small win.

[dire holly]

v1 is so bad

[dawn python]

It’s bad. Whatever we gain from v2 mobbing we maybe losing from nerf to v1

[dire holly]

It's a hard nerf

v1 ab no longer usable

[dawn python]

Yep.

[dire holly]

Better just to use yellow aura

[dawn python]

Gonna try v2 v3 dash and sweep staff only farm wheel

[dire holly]

That's not going to work with the additional function

[dawn python]

Why?

[dire holly]

Assuming it works like this:

You summon 4x altars

you have to wait for it to expire before you can cast again

So you will just be dashing and using sweeping until then

[dawn python]

Yea. That’s the idea.

[dire holly]

that's a terrible idea LOL

[dawn python]

Two summons v2 v4

[dire holly]

You're better off summoning altars one by one

v4 is not a summon

huh

[dawn python]

V3. Typo

[dire holly]

v3 literally does nothing in ab

Have you not watched your character ab before?

[dawn python]

Not since I stopped doing eos.

[dire holly]

Watch it next time

If you're lucky it will only get off like 2-3 attacks

[dawn python]

With only fb and its limited hitbox. I’m not sure how much value it adds to ab. Figure more dash improves my movement and get more loot. I don’t have mpets.

[dire holly]

Assuming dash can one shot

[dawn python]

I’m 2hko for sure. Not quite 1hko. I have 100% crit

I will observe ab a bit tonight.

Turn the transparency off and see what the heck is going on.

[dire holly]

Let me know how it goes

The only good thing to come from this is v2 lol

No longer have to hold the down arrow to cast all 4 altars

[dawn python]

If this method works then we should argue for 100% uptime on 150 hyper. Hehe.

Then your dash doesn’t need 1hko to still maintain high kill rate.

[dire holly]

It's so weird

150 hyper still has an 80 second duration

So are we burst or not?

Much confusion

[outer crane]

Hey guys

After testing we total get 700 more lines than before

14918

[dire holly]

Not worth

[outer crane]

Hmm sorry I forgot I didn’t use that will skill before

So it’s 14284

Still higher…about 80 lines

[dire holly]

Definitely not worth LOL

I miss v1 duration

[outer crane]

But you can see the damage of V1 and finishing blow are quite near

[dire holly]

But you lose so much from less v1 time

40 seconds for all auras now

Less time to heal your team, etc

[outer crane]

This is what Nexon want

To debuff team buffs

[dire holly]

So sad