Battle Mage

[dire holly]

Not sure if msm is ready to catch up to pc ms in terms of job skills

Like v3 is around the corner

V4, based on current trends, will happen the following year

Is that enough time for 6th job in msm to come out? I have no clue

[sharp sable]

Time will only tell

[dire holly]

Yea

[sharp sable]

Until then we suffer as we always have

[dire holly]

Lol

You suffering on cannoneer?

[sharp sable]

🤐

[dire holly]

Ok back to work I go

[outer crane]

Because i bounded it with resistance soldier....
but I took dark genesis off now

I tried once with sweeping staff and one time without it...it seems with sweeping staff is better.

[sharp sable]

yeah it looks like sweeping staff is slightly better

the difference is probably smaller when aura scythe is on is my assumption

From ur screenshot:

FB = 4798/238 = 20.16 per hit
SS = 506/17 = 29.76 per hit

but sweeping staff slower cast time than FB, so if FB = 1.5x the speed of SS, FB should theoretically be equivalent* to SS

but i'm not sure if that's the case. Maybe aura scythe FB is 1.5x but not non-aura scythe FB?

oh shit i just realizedw

now we can actually test how much faster aura scythe FB is vs non-aura scythe FB

ill try it right now

[outer crane]

yes you can try it and compare to my status

[sharp sable]

Non-aura scythe 79 hits in one minute:

Aura scythe 92 hits in one minute:

very cool

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

aura scythe is ~15% faster than non-aura scythe FB

[dire holly]

Now test which is stronger

With sweeping and without

And weakening or dark

[sharp sable]

no u

that depends on equips/team comps tho (the weakening vs dark, but weakening should almost always be better)

[dire holly]

I busy

[sharp sable]

me2

[dire holly]

True

Suffering

[outer crane]

😂

[dawn python]

Prior to this patch, I made a change to my trios. Now I’m favoring fb,dg,ds (60) and slightly less on sweeping staff, condemning, and battle burst (50) so I don’t need to switch nodes between bossing and farming. Me= lazy.

Seems like I lucked out in my choices. DS> condemnation.

[unborn vale]

I was also really surprised about DarkG being so good in analysis, and Sweeping staff so bad

And the condemnation bit (assumed it would be much better)

[unborn vale]

I’m same as you on nodes now, fb, dg, ds and condemn all 60 for me

Sweeping staff at 50

[dawn python]

I’m actually going to be 50 for the con/ss/bb trio. Trying to limit the number of slots I use for boost nodes. Still working on getting that last perfect trio for con/ss/bb

Figure a free slot will be more worth

I figure our v3/4 are all duration attacks which adds to lines we will do. With v2 auto brand targets, ds will get a natural boost from being triggered more. Condemnation on the other hand is basically capped at where it is. Now I wonder if ppl still oppose my idea to make it up 100% of the time.

I would still like to see that since it will help our mobbing/farming.

And clearly it’s no game breaking dps now that we have the actual stats.

[sharp sable]

Probably not the case for you since you're not funded

[dawn python]

I’m not capping anything, I don’t see how that would be different for me. Same ratio just lower absolute numbers. Unless you are suggesting that condemnation is capping while ds isn’t for those that are sharing ss. No I haven’t done any analysis myself. I don’t even have enough time to do all the dailies now that I need to push legion alts again.

[sharp sable]

Yes that's what I'm suggesting

[tired rune]

Yo, anyone getting this, not sure if bug, where I get oneshotted by Ark even when I have 145k hp?

[sharp sable]

Even with defense buffs?

[tired rune]

Yeah

It's doing my head in

My shade has lower hp yet surviving just fine

[sharp sable]

Hmmm is there a pally in the run?

[tired rune]

Yes

[sharp sable]

Ya that's strange...

[tired rune]

Any passives that may be interfering?

[sharp sable]

Not that I know of...

[tired rune]

Which defs buffs do you use?

[sharp sable]

I usually only need 30% pdef (latte) and 30% boss def buffs (bonbon)

But I have full necro almost max sf on each so it's a good amount of DEF

[tired rune]

Full necro here too

Cept for the hat it's fafnir

[sharp sable]

Did it start happening out of nowhere?

Like you weren't getting 1-shot before?

[tired rune]

Yeah it's my gf's BaM and she just started bossing

I mean ever since she started ark

[sharp sable]

Oooo hmmm

Show def stats maybe others that do ark on bam can help

I just usually try to dodge everything

[tired rune]

Before buffs

[sharp sable]

Oh yeah that's a tonne of DEF

Maybe it's the swipe/dash attack? That one does around 20k-40k x4

I find it helps to have PEs at 70%

Or is it the orb move?

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Yea i also get 1 shot on Ark

Only from the front on attack

Have 136k hp so a bit lower

Lightning is fine though

[dire holly]

I have a run later tonight so I’ll see if I die in one shot to something that’s not crack

[dire holly]

I'm not dying to anything so not sure what the problem is

[unborn vale]

Weird

It’s fine i just have to Dodge better 🤣

[rancid estuary]

tbh just attack from behind ark at alll times, telecast behind him and u won't get hit

[outer crane]

Check this out

You can use V skill teleport to float to the top to avoid this atk on 44F

[unborn vale]

Oh nice i have never used this skill

Do you guys think our v3 skill will be any good for bossing? looks good for mobbing but i guess it’s more lines at least !

[outer crane]

I think so
You can take it as a summon skill
It attacks automatically

[unborn vale]

Hopefully its good

[dire holly]

Picture from kmsm

It’s 25 lines

[unborn vale]

Nice

[dire holly]

Considering how slow it is to cast, I don’t think it’ll be that great in bossing

[unborn vale]

Thats what i think too

Looks really slow

[dire holly]

Yea, to me it’s more of a farming skill

[unborn vale]

Maybe a few hits on Ark

[dire holly]

It’s probably like a cast every 3-4 seconds?

[unborn vale]

I was hoping it would be a dark genesis that casts more

[dire holly]

But I’m not sure how it’ll work in bossing, because in farming the duration will go up based on how many kills it gets

I mean

It technically is like dg

[unborn vale]

That stays on the map

🤣

[dire holly]

It’s a little weird

It follows you

[unborn vale]

Interested to see

[dire holly]

Doesn’t stay in the initial spot you cast it in

[unborn vale]

We expect v3 next month?

[dire holly]

Need to see the trend of events the last two years

I don’t really know for sure

[unborn vale]

We’ll see

I’m saving nodes now in case they update the nodes opening system

That it only gives your skills

[dire holly]

Same

I have almost 100 nodes

Not as much as some other peoples, but it should be enough to get a few levels into a skill

[dawn python]

Since battle analysis says our 170 is weak sauce, how about we suggest a buff? I know @dire holly wants 72 lines per cast, I was thinking maybe have it do bleeding dmg instead? For example 30s duration bleed stackable 5x. Each tick does 50% So at max stack, that’s little lines at 50%. This way its bossing utility greatly increased while not translate the same power to mobbing (72 hits would translate 100% to mobbing). Thoughts?

170 mobbing is weak due to aoe is small

[worthy obsidian]

Cmon just tell us 😉

[dire holly]

That’s a little bit out of touch for what battle mage is suppose to be in my opinion. If they already had a bleed skill then maybe it would be a good idea, but there isn’t so it doesn’t make sense

[dire holly]

I know just as much as you sir

[worthy obsidian]

they're removing a lot of the DoT from many classes. I know blaze wizard's ignition skill is being changed when the cygnus remaster comes

which makes me think getting nexon to add DoT stuff to other classes is unlikely

[dire holly]

DoTs are just buggy

[worthy obsidian]

but maybe it's just BW?

[worthy obsidian]

you're buggy

[dire holly]

I’m a bug

[worthy obsidian]

restore bug

[dawn python]

I’m trying to think sneaky buffs that’s stronger than what it looks on paper. Better chance to get it hehe. So I’m just thinking what can benefit the most from the rest of our kit

[dire holly]

[worthy obsidian]

ultimately your suggestions are not what will lead nexon to make changes

[dawn python]

Since we have dark brand. I was thinking along the lines what we can add to 170 that will also trigger ds db

Or something like curse effect on target so that aura effects are 2x hitting on cursed target?

Make skills mutually reinforcing.

[dire holly]

Or, hear me out here, we do something very simple and just add more lines

Why make it so complicated?

That’s what a redesign is for

[dawn python]

Ok, so bam will get a remaster later? Then in the meantime let’s push for more lines. Tyty

[dire holly]

No, I’m saying that what you’re suggesting is more in line with a remake

The current playstyle of bam and the suggestion you made with applying a curse doesn’t add up

Will have to see what changes will bam 6th job in pc ms

[dawn python]

Yea. I hear you. We should be happy that we are no longer doormat. Too bad my other char is DA. Lol I’m just a glutton for punishment.

[dire holly]

DA looks fun

Spam nether shield

[dawn python]

Yep. That’s why I’m so looking forward to Adele. Auto aiming attacks for the win. Mostly I enjoy the speed at which da can run dailies.

[unborn vale]

Keen on above if they would double the lines of sweeping staff to 72!

Not sure what other changes I’d like to see, maybe quicker activation of condemnation?

[worthy obsidian]

No cooldown on 150 skill

Lvl30 v1 no cooldown

[dire holly]

[smoky fjord]

Now that we have the battle analysis. I've been saying condemnation animation is way to long

Because of that the number of uses are so low

They need to shorten the animation for it to attack faster

[dire holly]

It’s a combination of things with condemnation

[smoky fjord]

Comparison of grim reaper and dark genesis. In a 1 min time frame. What do you think?

[dire holly]

I don’t know exactly what the test you’re running is

Just using either skills?

[tiny wharf]

May I ask does BAM use a lot of potion or strong enough to be able to sustain potion from mob drop

[sharp sable]

Depends what aura you're using

It uses the least amount of MP potions out of all the mages from what I've seen

Hp is a diff story

[worthy obsidian]

I do not sustain hp potions but my bam only farms af60

So it is minimally geared

[tiny wharf]

how min is min, thinking of making an bam alt haha

worry about not being able to survive due to lack of pots

[tiny wharf]

most likely purple, dun think can use yellow haha

[sharp sable]

Oh I was gonna say red is probably best for pots

[tiny wharf]

was thinking kill faster then less pot use haha

[sharp sable]

Unless :

1. Purple helps you kill the monster in 1-hit rather than 2
2. Or yellow when you already kill the monster in 1-hit

[sharp sable]

Yeee

Agree

Red if it takes 2 hits or more to kill the mobs

[tiny wharf]

thanks! i hope i can kill in less than 2 haha

[worthy obsidian]

Mythic gear and fafnir weapon is working for me right now

[unborn vale]

Yea mine used to use quite a few pots until i had good gears, now i just use farmed pots and have to sell them every day

[unborn vale]

Little buff for us in the patch I’ll take it

Grim contract hit count 13-20

Interested where v3 will sit in battle analysis

[smoky fjord]

At least u can resummon the V3 to a different location

Still need to decrease the grim animation

[unborn vale]

Do you think v3 will recast grim more often because of more hits?

[smoky fjord]

No

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

If you try to analyze the preview video for v3, we can assume that grim attacks every 3 or so seconds

[unborn vale]

Yea seems to be every 3-4 seconds

[dire holly]

Now, doing some maffs and knowing what we know about the skill from kmsm, the duration lasts 30 seconds

So if you assume a total of 10 casts within that time frame, it’s going to be 250 lines

One important thing to note about this skill is that the cooldown of the skill decreases with levels

So at lvl 1 it’s 90 seconds, but at lvl 30 it’s 60

[unborn vale]

Nice i didnt know those stats

[dire holly]

So at lvl 1, the total number of lines, again assuming 3 second intervals between casts, would be 500 in 3 minutes

At lvl 30, this would increase by another 250 lines

Compared to our other lines pre-condemnation buff, it sits above sweeping staff (if it were to be used at all)

Now, if you’re wondering which vskill to max first after v1, the one that makes the most sense would be v2 just from a dps perspective

[unborn vale]

Yea seems to be v2 as next in line for sure

Maybe v3 useful for farming and small addition in bossing

I think my battle analysis similar to you too

[unborn vale]

I have 140 nodes saved up

Hoping for some v1 levels

[dire holly]

Useful in farming for sure, but it should be able to one shot at lvl 1 given how many lines it has

I’m definitely going for v3 though despite what the calculations are showing

[unborn vale]

Lines are lines

[dire holly]

Yeeeee

But capped lines are better lines

[worthy obsidian]

congrats bams i hope you guys top the charts

after this update

[dire holly]

Definitely not

[sharp sable]

Nice condemnation change

[worthy obsidian]

never say never

i believe

[dire holly]

Yeeeee! Like 55% improvement

[dire holly]

I haven’t done the math yet calculating hit count improvement from the new skill/changes, but it should be around 10%??

[worthy obsidian]

that's very nice

[sharp sable]

Ur very nice

[worthy obsidian]

no u

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-movie-blush-gif-24908885

[unborn vale]

I cant tell if the new Mage skill is any good

Just a bit of invincibility to take MP damage

I guess to use as an iframe is great

[worthy obsidian]

it's not that good

imo

we'll have to see how it scales with increased node level

like cooldown reduciton wouuld be cool

but it's probably just MP cost reduction

[dire holly]

It’s good on bam isn’t it?

We regen mana

[worthy obsidian]

MUST BE NICE

[rancid estuary]

yaaa :0 i was about to say , it’s pretty good for bams

[smoky fjord]

How are you guys doing at mulong 44?

[dire holly]

[dire holly]

I’m too lazy to try

I got it down to 2/3 once but it requires too much effort

And no one in na comes close to beating 44, so as long as I’m top 3 we good

[rancid estuary]

i’m coming for you

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Its 35 lines!

[unborn vale]

V3 was quite low on battle analysis like you thought

But it put condemnation 2nd with the extra hits

Node change was nice i got 6 levels on v2 and v3 level 5 already

[dire holly]

Would’ve been much lower before

Because the kmsm pic I was referring to had 25 lines

[unborn vale]

Seems it is good for bossing just to improve condemnation

30s burst anyway

[smoky fjord]

Post skill description

[narrow scroll]

shouldn't V3 move with you during auto tho?

[dire holly]

Unfortunately, it is stationary

[narrow scroll]

but but

didn't it move in kmsm videos?

[unborn vale]

You can resummon it

To your location

[narrow scroll]

yes, but manually

should do it on it's own while ab

[tired rune]

My bam's v1 is Level 17 (22 with the node slot level) Should I focus on maxing v3 or get v1 to max first?

[unborn vale]

V1 to max first i think

I am same as you (level 17 with 5 node slot)

As its our main attack, more levels for Mag dmg and less cooldown

Restore also suggested best (after v1) to focus on v2

As it does next best dps

[tired rune]

Not v3?

[unborn vale]

It looks like v3 last

Even though it does improve grim contract

[dire holly]

486 lines in 30 seconds

16.2 lines a second in 30 seconds

8.1 lines for a 1 minute run

[smoky fjord]

How does harvest improve grim?

[dire holly]

It doesn’t

[smoky fjord]

So why speed said rhat

[dire holly]

I think v3 attacks add to the grim contract soul count

So it’s good when 150 hyper is down?

[smoky fjord]

So it procs faster

[dire holly]

That’s my interpretation of what speed said

I assume so

Haven’t tested it alone yet

[sharp sable]

And leveling v3 improves cooldown vs leveling v2 improves damage?

Agreed you should continue maxing v1 first though

And yeah it doesn't re-summon it during AB...

Which I think is the case for most stationary re-summonable skills (mech, corsair, cannoneer, etc.)

[unborn vale]

Oh yea sorry this!

It gets activated more often

I tested without v3 and Grim Contract was much lower in analysis

[unborn vale]

Unless i just messed it up 🤣

[dire holly]

Maybe you didn’t have 150 hyper up

[outer crane]

V3 provides great damges when it's LV30

[smoky fjord]

Analysis

[outer crane]

Here

Lotus yesterday

[smoky fjord]

Cool

[dire holly]

V2 still better

I’d prioritize v2 after v1

V3 last

[outer crane]

Yes

I used about 400 nodes for V3

[dire holly]

Huuuh??? Only 400?

I used 140 and it’s only lvl 9

[outer crane]

Only?? It cost me almost 20B....

[unborn vale]

400 nodes and you got max v3? Thats amazing

[compact steeple]

@outer crane have you tested the battle analysis 3min? How many lines you can deal

[outer crane]

I’ll test it tonight

[outer crane]

About 15404

[compact steeple]

Wow 15k club

[unborn vale]

Nice !

[dire holly]

Nodes expensive now

[unborn vale]

EU server around 40m now

[dire holly]

I think na Scania was pushing 50

[unborn vale]

They were down to 27m and then 33-34m before patch

Ouch!

Like this patch though, im making good v skill progress finally 🤣

[dire holly]

Yeee

Can level resistance infantry too

Longer duration every 5 levels

[unborn vale]

I really need lv220 now to get another slot

[dire holly]

Lvl 230 would be ideal

Actually no, lvl 235 is

Because we need to add ethereal form

[unborn vale]

So far away

[dawn python]

So is dark shock behind condemnation again for boost?

[sharp sable]

It was always behind in terms of damage lol

[smoky fjord]

Do any class.use their standard V3 skills?

Pirates have a trade off, warrior has only a 3 second iframe with a passive

The blaze wizard on YouTube basically said ethereal form was trash

[worthy obsidian]

It's not that bad

It's an iframe

[dawn python]

Mmm. I really need that missing perfect trio to save a node slot. Damn.

[dire holly]

I’m not sure

Having an extra I-frame at the cost of mp doesn’t seem too bad

[unborn vale]

Only a level 40 hat but i like the pink

[candid hedge]

Would any of you guys mind posting screenshots of all our 5th job skill descriptions? I’d love to see the specifics before I hit 200. I’d really appreciate it!

[unborn vale]

In order:
V3 Grim Harvest / resistance infantry / v1 Aura Scythe / v2 Altar of Annihilation

Skill text so long

[compact steeple]

Every V skill is like writing essay

[unborn vale]

🤣 can only just get aura scythe into one screenshot

[candid hedge]

Holy shit, you’re amazing. Thank you!!!!

[candid hedge]

Another quick question, are the skill cooldowns subtracted from the reuse cooldown? Like for our 150 skill it’s a 3 minute cooldown but it lasts for 2 minutes, so the cooldown is really only 1 minute. Is that how aura scythe is also?

[worthy obsidian]

Yes

[candid hedge]

Thanks you guys so much. This place is a godsend.

[outer crane]

[outer crane]

Can’t agree more

Lol

[candid hedge]

How much does our mobbing improve at 200? Does it completely change the class like PC?

[unborn vale]

With the rope lift / v2 + v3 skills its great now (imo)

Just make sure the hyper buff is turned off so you can hit all the enemies

• battle rage *

[candid hedge]

Should I only be using battle rage for bosses then?

[unborn vale]

Yea i do that. Lots better now our attack range is pretty good and can hit multiple mobs

Our v1 skill also improves range of attack while it’s on

[candid hedge]

Thanks. I appreciate it.

[dire holly]

V3 is not great in farming when you’re with a full party

I’ve noticed that when a mob spawns right on top of it, it doesn’t immediately start attacking

Other players can get to it first, so I’ve seen it stand around for a full 30 seconds doing nothing

V1 is a great skill with the extra range, but it requires some leveling in order to one shot

And v2 has its moments

[rancid estuary]

all hail the #1 bam

[dire holly]

[candid hedge]

That’s disappointing lol. At least it looks cool 🤣. Would you mind posting your auto battle preset?

[dire holly]

I.... don't think my ab preset is ideal

Like I am not even using sweeping staff lol

[candid hedge]

All good lol. I don’t know what the term for it is but my damage is 5mil. Like the number underneath my characters name. So I was just going to do finishing blow, battle burst, sweeping staff, dark genesis, then just throw the 5th job skills on there. I didn’t know how AoA worked though. Like if it needed to be cast in a certain order to add more totems or not.

[dire holly]

That should be your CP or Combat Power

It's not really a good measure of strength

In terms of the AoA casting pattern, I still haven't really found a good spot on the wheel for it, but ideally you would want it to go something like this: AoA --> Battle Burst --> AoA --> followed by whatever else

This way you spread out your AoA placement so that it covers more ground

It's not always going to work like that in a party setting during ab though

[candid hedge]

Gotcha. I’ll figure it out. What should I be using to figure out my damage or strength then? Thank you so much. I appreciate the help!

[dire holly]

np!

[sharp sable]

yup this is what i do

[unborn vale]

What are the chances they change some of BaM’s auras to be more useful for endgame bosses

Either a small IED boost or maybe better party healing etc?

[unborn vale]

When everyone quite strong already our buffs (apart from speed) don’t really help anymore when we meant to have a bit of support

Maybe in hopeful

[dawn python]

V3 helps with eos from the one run I have done so far. 8.6k/hr from the previous 7.6k

But still lags behind most other classes. I actually don’t use altar during farming. Just eos which seems to help.

[unborn vale]

Never thought about this but a nice increase

[candid hedge]

What have you guys found to be the best AB preset for node farming? I know you have to move around a lot if possible. I spent like 500mil and unlocked v1, v2, v3 and rope lift along with resistance infantry and mana overload.

[unborn vale]

I actually use v2 and v3, with v1 (or yellow speed aura) on pets

With finishing blow/rope lift/battle burst

[candid hedge]

The only way to use v1 is with pets right? It said it can’t be used during auto battle so I wasn’t sure how it worked

[unborn vale]

Yea exactly

Then your only issue is if v1 is low level, you have a long time of cooldown with no auras active

I use v1 too now i have it up to lvl24

[candid hedge]

What’s the best way to upgrade my damage with nodes? Like should I focus on upgrading my boost nodes first? Or skill nodes? Like what’re the largest gains I can make without breaking the bank?

[unborn vale]

Boost nodes for sure, finishing blow / Dark Genesis / condemnation combo give the biggest dps boost together

Then if you get a v skill in the nodes level that too

Finishing blow obviously our biggest % of dps

[candid hedge]

Thank you!

[outer crane]

😍

[candid hedge]

What’s the best way to use nodes? Should I be selling all the nodes I find until I level up my slots a bit? should I be opening them and extracting? Should I be crafting boost nodes for finishing blow? I just don’t want to waste them.

[outer crane]

Hi Battle mages
Here’s my new video in lotus boss

https://youtu.be/ykVHRD-8svk

Take a look at Battle mage’s damage with V3, and if there’s any topic about Battle mage you guys want to see, please let me know.

[dawn python]

V3 secondary activation (hold down key) just relocates the skill. During ab that never happens anyway. Since we lack burst, what do you guys think if we ask them to change the secondary activation to burst mode where duration is reduced to 20% and hits = 5x and slightly more skill dmg? Kinda like how da’s v3 works.

Turn this skill into a 6sec burst.

Also I don’t understand the utility of party shield in its current form. I’d rather have a boss stun/hold move instead. Failing that maybe a 5-10s invincibility instead is better than this short duration good for nothing skill. I don’t even use it on boss wheel.

[sharp sable]

very nice!

just noticed at minute 1:08 you don't have to manually recast weakness aura? So instead you manually cast aura scythe for boss fights and keep weakness aura on pets? that's pretty smart!!

i did the opposite but i think im gonna start doing what you do

[unborn vale]

Yea i do this so you don’t have to think about anything apart from v1

[unborn vale]

Agree on shield it’s completely useless i don’t use it at all

Helps guard some boss attacks but it’s too short to be useful..

And haven’t used v3 enough to have opinion on your first point but having a burst option always sounds good to me

[sweet mango]

Depends on your aim. If you need mesos sell, if you are aiming for end game bossing level your nodes. Don’t think you will really be wasting nodes either way

[dire holly]

You uhh.. haven’t been doing that when you were on bam?

Shameful

[sharp sable]

No cause I mostly just farm with bam

So v1 usually on pets

[dire holly]

Yea true

[sharp sable]

R u running lotus yet

[dire holly]

Successfully completed it 2 weeks ago

Today I will get abso crystal, but I’m not sure if I should rip it or sell for like 90 nodes

[sharp sable]

Huge!!!! Big grats man

Ya I've only been selling

Using the profit to exalt my first item to 50 and then gonna start ripping it

[rancid estuary]

RIP ITTTTTT

[dire holly]

Tyty

[dire holly]

Hmmm

90 nodes can maybe get me like

2 lvls on my v3?

Lvl 20 v3, 70 second cooldown hmm

[unborn vale]

Are you maxed v1 and 2 @dire holly ?

[dire holly]

V1 max, v2 is not even close

I’m closer to max with v3 than v2

[unborn vale]

Nice!

I’m at 19 (24 with slot) on v1 then like 8/9 on the others

Long way to go

[dire holly]

Would’ve been closer to maxing v3 today but I decided to use the abso attempt and failed

[outer crane]

V2’s damage is more than V3

So better level V2 first

[dire holly]

Yes, I am well aware of this

But I chose to lvl v3 for farming purposes

Shorter cooldown will help slightly with dps in longer content like Lotus too

[worthy obsidian]

Just max all 3

[unborn vale]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-cute-blow-water-close-eyes-swimming-gif-16556295

[dire holly]

Yes, yes I didn’t think of that before

Where would we be without the great bw coax?

[worthy obsidian]

You mean wanna be bam hoax

[dire holly]

You rerolling?

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

That’s a ban-able offense

No discussions of account trading please

[rancid estuary]

my bad

[dire holly]

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Good riddance

Jk

[rancid estuary]

[worthy obsidian]

whoa i was tagged in a deleted post?

I must know what it said

[dire holly]

[worthy obsidian]

whoa do you have the fairy m label

I haven't seen you wear it

[dire holly]

Yea I’ve always had it but I had it anvil’d to my ice cream set for a long time

[worthy obsidian]

oooo

did you un anvil it recently

[dire holly]

I did

5k crystals down the drain

But worth it

[worthy obsidian]

good choice. fairy set is a flex

[dire holly]

Yeeee

Best set

[dire holly]

@worthy obsidian #msm-feedback-qol message

[worthy obsidian]

🤓

[dire holly]

What about BW?

[worthy obsidian]

what about BW?

[dire holly]

Why not make them great again?

[worthy obsidian]

we will never be great

only gemini can make us great

[dire holly]

Only 545Z can make us great

[worthy obsidian]

yeah

we chose the wrong staff mage class

fpm and evan are both very strong

[dire holly]

Meh

FPM has their own quirks

And their DoTs always seem to break

[worthy obsidian]

maybe the cygnus remaster will help us but i am not holding my breath

yeah i do not envy either of those classes aside from their dps

[dire holly]

Evan.... I don't like their playstyle

[worthy obsidian]

evan comboing is tough and fpm node situation is terrible

[dire holly]

Are there even any strong FPMs in NA Scania?

[worthy obsidian]

poison curry is the strongest

[dire holly]

Lemme 1v1 him

[worthy obsidian]

he makes vidoes from time to time

[dire holly]

[worthy obsidian]

he's full necro so his cap is definitely higher

[dire holly]

Oh nvm

[worthy obsidian]

but you may be able to take him idk

[dire holly]

Yea I can't win when it comes to a cap battle

[night grotto]

take me back I don’t want to play fpm anymore

[dire holly]

[rancid estuary]

[rancid estuary]

ripppppp itttttt

[dire holly]

I broke

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

[night grotto]

I’m too far in 😔

[dire holly]

Someone get the rope and get him out of there

[night grotto]

I’ll be back one day

[rancid estuary]

take me back too i don’t want to be a bishop no more

[dire holly]

https://tenor.com/view/grab-my-hand-nic-cage-nicolas-cage-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-hold-my-hand-gif-24413733

[unborn vale]

My guild leader is fpm

Their node situation hurts to look at 🤣

I find lots of the other classes so slow after playing BaM

[night grotto]

need to be 230 to max them all out

[unborn vale]

Yea hard work! Hes only lv215 so feeling the pains 🤣

[candid hedge]

Are these experience node stones worth buying from the starlight shop? If so, what should I be using them on?

[unborn vale]

If there is nothing else you prefer to buy i think yes and use on v1

Same as 450 shards of xp

[lost epoch]

Just wondering, is dark genesis good for clearing bots in lotus pt1 👀

[dire holly]

I personally don’t use it, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be used for aoe

Although you could argue that using when v1 is up is probably not ideal (?)

[sharp sable]

yeah i was gonna say the same - v1 has more hits, is faster, and almost as much aoe as DG

but when v1 is down it could be worth

[flat loom]

Didnt know you play BaM as well

[dire holly]

He’s the master of all things dead

[sharp sable]

i get #1 in mu lung for both classes every week

inosys is ded ded

[dire holly]

A true inspiration

[lost epoch]

Oh I c. Ty ty. Gonna try that next time

[lost epoch]

I just need the medal. Everything else is a nice add on

[sharp sable]

Oh shit Ur meeeepo in inosys????

I think Ur gear is better than mine u can defs be #1

[lost epoch]

LOl hai 👋

[sharp sable]

I wanna see Ur max 😤

[lost epoch]

I think it’s 15.7 rn? 15.8 round up lol

[sharp sable]

Oh I meant time-wise

I think 2:00 is my fastest for floor 42

[dire holly]

Wow so fast

[lost epoch]

Yep I think around there, around 2:10

[sharp sable]

Smh u probably get that for floor 43

[dire holly]

Possibly

I need to figure out floor 44

I don’t think I have enough dps to take her down before the second curse mark

[sharp sable]

shield for one, stun* for 2nd one

also apparently you can dodge even a 3rd one with hero's will if you time it right

oh wait does shield even work against it lmao

does it still work for ark crack?

[unborn vale]

Yea shield works on floor 44 (not against ark crack anymore though)

[dire holly]

It does work on crack, just not on the ones when the orbs touch

[dire holly]

Ah yea, I always forget about hero’s will because it’s on the second page

I also don’t have enough node slots to add stun or even ethereal form

[unborn vale]

Oh really?

Maybe i need to try again then

For party??

[dire holly]

Yea

[unborn vale]

Haha me too at the moment without sacrificing something good

[dire holly]

Yea

Probably need uhh

Lvl 235 to add those other skills

[sharp sable]

U n me both

[dire holly]

[lost epoch]

Yep verified 😂

[lost epoch]

Ditto

[dire holly]

[sharp sable]

I was wondering that too

[dawn python]

Does the mage common ethereal form even improve when you enhance it? I got it to lv3 but doesn’t really see any change. Did I just waste some nodes?

[compact steeple]

Only reduces the MP consumption and skill cool-down

[dawn python]

Oh. Thanks. Guess it’s good enough just to leave at lv1. And extract any skill nodes that comes.

[compact steeple]

Yeah, I think focus what matters more

Even decent buff is a better upgrade option than this

[dawn python]

I decided to rejigger my nodes. Ended up using 4 slots to get 60 fb/ds, 55 con/dg, 50 ss/bb. So I don’t need to change nodes between bossing and farming. It’s a compromise but saves time. Don’t know when we will ever get matrix presets. I know v1 is important to max out. Is the priority then v2 followed by v3. Is the mana overload worth using now?

[sharp sable]

Just stop trying

@plucky hinge gonna take over mu lung spot #3 soon

[dawn python]

Does blocking only work on a single server vs across discord? Don’t you have me blocked since ice age and yet constantly reply to me without offering something constructive. I just find you odd I suppose.

[unborn vale]

I think v2 probably next priority for dmg? Although probably v2 and v3 quite similar! I’m going to do v2 once i’ve maxed v1 and see how that goes

And i use mana overload for bossing - with all the nodes i opened its somehow level 10 so gives me like 11% fd or something? Probably less useful if you can cap without it

[dawn python]

Thank you for that input. I will probably do the same once I max v1. Right now just lv16 on its own. So will be a bit before I get there. Do you guys also extract fodder boost nodes at lvl less than 25? I know 25 will be most worth but will take so long to get there.

I have several in the mid teens

I know 16 maybe a good lvl since you can get there at 0% (meaning nothing wasted)

[unborn vale]

That’s nice! I get impatient and extract them if they get to level 5 🤣

I should really do that too, maybe I’ll aim for 16 as well and see if i can wait that long

[lost epoch]

I was just thinking of some funny random ign and that came up lol

[sharp sable]

Yes I have to click the blocked message just in case you make any stupid suggestions for bam

[dire holly]

In terms of the hit count between v2 and v3, v2 is significantly better in a 3 minute run, so this would be the next skill to max after v1

I, however, chose to go for v3 just because I wanted less cooldown for farming

[dire holly]

Mana overload is a must for all mage classes, but some classes like bw benefit less from it because it drains way too much mana

BaMs recently got a change where our attacks heal our mp by a percentage, so we never really burn mana in bossing

[worthy obsidian]

Must be nice

[dire holly]

No worries, I'll add it to bw soon

[worthy obsidian]

Thanks bro

[dire holly]

[smoky fjord]

Why a Sia beat you in lotus? You are supposed to make us proud

[smoky fjord]

What's bomb damage padding

[dire holly]

My mdc is too low so I hit lotus for like 11.9m with ds4 active

I’m sure I could be more competitive with Sia if I had 2m more mdc

Also I died twice so I lost some dps

[smoky fjord]

I see

[smoky fjord]

Haha ok

[dire holly]

My mdc is 15.84

I think sia is at like 18m?

18.5*

[smoky fjord]

Yeah that's a huge discrepancy

[dire holly]

Yea..

So I have a long way to go

[smoky fjord]

Wish we had a test server where all the characters have the same stats to put this talk about better damage to bed

[dire holly]

Battle analysis is a good tool

[smoky fjord]

Some of the classes we call the best now will probably not be that high

[dire holly]

Essentially all you have to do is count lines

And assume each class caps the same number

[smoky fjord]

Yeah but our stats are different

[dire holly]

I know, but if you just use that as a base reference

[smoky fjord]

I see

[dire holly]

Let me find the hit count for mages

Looks like BaM's is not updated

but in a 3 minute run

v3 should add about

..

1800 lines?

So yea, Sia would still have us beat

[compact steeple]

I believe @outer crane score was updated before, but not sure why it was removed

15.4k lines iirc

[dire holly]

Hmm

I guess we still need more lines lol

[smoky fjord]

What ability is this based off of. All the spells or attacks you use?

Rotation ok

[dire holly]

All skills you'd normally use in a boss fight

3 minute is to account for burst classes

[smoky fjord]

I didn't know luminous was that high. Is it their V3 that bumped them up?

[dire holly]

Helps to equalize the values

I am not sure too. Not familiar with Lumi

[smoky fjord]

Battle mage has a good base (4th job) but after that they fall of no real burst DPS

[dire holly]

4th job is trash

What you mean

lol

[smoky fjord]

19 hit count?

[dire holly]

I mean

[smoky fjord]

Not many classes have 19

[dire holly]

It's not always about lines you know

Attack speed matters

[smoky fjord]

True

[dire holly]

I have made this point before

People are quick to point out how many lines we have for a base skill, but fail to consider the rate at which we perform these attacks

[smoky fjord]

Yes I know it was at the back.of my head I did argue about the atk speed as well

Where is that table again. Link I wanna look at the warriors

[dire holly]

It's in #bot-commands

Should be the first post there right now

[smoky fjord]

Right now I'm just playing a class that's not valued at the moment and it will never be valued as much 😂

Also not up in the DPS count to

[dire holly]

BaM?

[smoky fjord]

Kaiser

[dire holly]

Looks like most warriors have roughly the same hit count

[smoky fjord]

Bottom of the list but 1500+

We are not far off yeah

[dire holly]

Blaster is kinda crazy though

[smoky fjord]

15000+ to 16000 close enough

[dire holly]

20,805 pre v3

[smoky fjord]

Yeah 20,000

[dire holly]

Paladin 21,000

What's the bug again?

[smoky fjord]

No idea

[dire holly]

Ah yea I did read this before

You know

I’m gonna play devil’s advocate here and say that if the fix for blaster was implemented

They’d be TOO broken

Already nearing 21k lines and they’re bugged

Yea..

Has anyone tried attack too fast for 3 minutes?

What’s the impact in a longer fight?

And how many times does it activate?

How many uses?

Anyone have a blaster analysis chart?

I know, but I need a number

In a 3 minute run, does it get used 300 times? 400? Times? 50 times?

So top one is their main?

Alright so 83 uses

If we assume the best

I do, sort of

They combo

And lose half their lines if they combo too fast

Well if it’s bugged it will need to be looked into

But as far as their overall hit count goes, they’re broken

I see

So it’s sort of like ark transformation without the transformation

Hmm

Well

We’re on the case, no worries

[worthy obsidian]

Harsh

[dire holly]

To be fair

I don’t

I played it just to get to 120 and I didn’t have fun

[worthy obsidian]

Is this the blaster mage channel?

[dire holly]

Yea I’m also not in the right place

I need to be in the warrior channel

[worthy obsidian]

Let's discuss blaze wizards

Leak to me the Cygnus remaster stats

[dire holly]

You want me to be fired?

[worthy obsidian]

We blaze wizards are in a constant state of fire

[dire holly]

Are you though?

Aside from having mp issues

You’re not really that bad

[worthy obsidian]

We're pretty low in the charting

I can post it here

Sanford has been compiling theoretical line count per class

Battle mage would be similar according to your recent comments

But pally mercedes and blaster are the best by far

[dire holly]

Why in the world is the mdc set to 32m?

[worthy obsidian]

I'm not sure if this is blaster bugged or not bugged

[dire holly]

I can’t even think of getting to 17m

[worthy obsidian]

It's a theoretical max

[dire holly]

[worthy obsidian]

It's very theoretical since mercedes has no shot at capping their clone lines

As of current stats

Maybe with absolab weapons

Final damage % and raw attack I guess

[dire holly]

Can we just separate out the mages?

[worthy obsidian]

And crit damage%

[dire holly]

This chart is too cluttered

[worthy obsidian]

The legend shows the classes in order if that helps you

[dire holly]

I’m surprised I can’t even make out bam lines

[worthy obsidian]

Lumi and sia are above the other mages by a lot

Not to be insensitive but are you color blind

[dire holly]

I see

So bam at the bottom

Sad

[worthy obsidian]

sorry

I take that back

[dire holly]

It’s just that the lines mesh together when I’m trying to follow a class from start to finish

[worthy obsidian]

No I never saw the raw data

[dire holly]

You guys lucky I take abuse for a living

[worthy obsidian]

We can fit a model to it and I'm sure it's more or less logistic

Sorry logarithmic

[dire holly]

This chart takes account of class skill damage % too?

[worthy obsidian]

I have been busy but I can talk to sanford about it and try to work some scikitlearn

[worthy obsidian]

Not so much skill damage %

[dire holly]

Hmm

Because 32mdc is quite a lot

Classes like Evan with high skill damage % would shine

[worthy obsidian]

You would think so

But this chart is really more line count with skill% not factored in

It's where this comment comes in

#msm-feedback-qol message

[dire holly]

Are the average line counts listed anywhere? Or are we to refer to the dps chart for that?

[worthy obsidian]

Average is not the best way to do it

Average over 1 minute? 3 minutes? 5?

Different classes would excel depending on the cut off

[dire holly]

It’s over 3

[worthy obsidian]

Maybe that's nexons point but idk

[dire holly]

The dps chart in #bot-commands uses a 3 minute run time

[worthy obsidian]

Wouldnt it be the same

You get two v3 in 3 mins

[dire holly]

Kanna gonna be op

[worthy obsidian]

Vs three in 6

I mean four

[rancid estuary]

u know what to do sir

[worthy obsidian]

Is the main attack a hold down skill

Leak

Please

Should I reroll

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

I are broke ma’am

[dire holly]

I have no idea

But did you see MoonBean’s video?

2m gd from kanna

[rancid estuary]

i don’t think it’s a hold down skill

[rancid estuary]

i saw that

should i reroll

[dire holly]

And kanna can shield with proper reduction like bishop?

Literally bam unplayable as support

[rancid estuary]

should i reroll ||back to bam||

[dire holly]

You’re crazy

Kanna the new and improved bam

[rancid estuary]

it’s too small tho , if u want it to support the party u have to tell them to stack on top of you

[worthy obsidian]

Then I'm not rerolling. Nexon knows what to do to milk my wallet and this ain't it

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

That can be coordinated

[dire holly]

But if you’re chasing damage, kanna is it man

[rancid estuary]

it was pretty hard to coordinate bam shield

[dire holly]

And she has a ton of aoe

Looks like way more than bw

[rancid estuary]

kanna’s aoe is ridiculous 😫

[dire holly]

True

[dire holly]

For real for real

[rancid estuary]

every skill is aoe even their main attack has wide range

[worthy obsidian]

Unless hold down skill for bossing I won't reroll immediately. I need to see what the remaster does for us

[rancid estuary]

no u

[dire holly]

She can literally clear af170 on her own

Just add a leeching bishop and you’re golden

[worthy obsidian]

You should get two

One immediately

And one after 2 minute cooldown

[dire holly]

Surely it’s better than spamming bw orbitals LOL

[worthy obsidian]

Comparable probably

[dire holly]

Probably yea

[worthy obsidian]

I do hate my orbitals

[rancid estuary]

i feel like when i was watching kanna bossing

u use the main attack like never cus there so many other skills 💀

[dire holly]

Lots of summon skills

[rancid estuary]

yeeee

[worthy obsidian]

Gg that's even worse than spamming one button

[dire holly]

And if you’re not tanking, you’re probably losing dps

[worthy obsidian]

Arthritis

[dire holly]

Because one of her summons only attacks in front

[worthy obsidian]

I see

[rancid estuary]

seems like u need to use type B skill wheel both pages

[worthy obsidian]

Ew

EW

Imagine

[rancid estuary]

evan

[dire holly]

Time for a type c wheel?

[rancid estuary]

[outer crane]

I’ll try again after I get to lv240
It’ll take about two days

[unborn vale]

Anyone with maxed v1, is it 210% skill dmg and 15% mag dmg?

[dawn python]

Please make our v3 have a burst mode. 5x lines for 20% uptime. We lacking burst big time.

[sharp sable]

that's almost maxed 😉

[sharp sable]

but yes

[lost epoch]

Oh oopss 🤣

So skill node can also lvl to lvl 25?

For some reasons I thought lvl20 is max for skill node 😂

Now I know

[sharp sable]

yup

lv20 to 25 takes forrrrreeeeever

[lost epoch]

Fak

[dire holly]

Yea you’re missing 7.5 seconds of added duration

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

That is by far the worst thing you could do to v3

This skill is pretty good in farming given its duration and 50% uptime

It has its moments like v2 does, but it’s aoe is solid

Reducing the duration and changing it to a burst skill would kill our farming potential with this skill. Would it make our burst in bossing slightly better in short form content? Sure, but it would be an overall nerf in efficiency when you consider the farming/lvling aspect which we spend much more of our time in

[dawn python]

Actually my suggestion was having a burst mode. Since the relocate skill isn’t used during ab anyway so farming doesn’t get impacted at all. Rather, I was thinking if you press down while tapping the v3 skill, it turns into burst mode v3. So that duration is 1/5 while lines 5x.

This gives us best of both worlds. During ab, that burst mode will never be triggered.

Or one can have a toggle with the skill to decide if they want burst mode or normal mode. Like how da v3 works.

[dire holly]

Meh

When I think toggle I think about bw v1 (if I remember right)

It’s too much of a hassle

[dawn python]

Then just the down arrow while press skill.

Then. Best of both worlds. No nerf ti anything.

[dire holly]

I appreciate the suggestions but that’s reaching

Like we might as well make all BaM skills into short duration high burst

Are you a hard core bam player or casual?

[dawn python]

I mean we have zero burst skill. Probably not bad to have just one.

My highest lvl char currently is bam

220

[dire holly]

You do realize we have our 150???

???

That’s considered a burst skill or buff rather

[dawn python]

With highest node investment of my chars.

[dire holly]

V1???

[dawn python]

That’s up 2/3 of the time. How is that a burst skill? I thought burst meant 1/6 uptime or something.

22

[dire holly]

Like if you don’t think we’re a burst class, you should look at some other classes

It’s still considered a burst buff

Always has been

[dawn python]

Ok. Then please help us get something better than the current partybshield. Right now that’s a total waste of space. Hehe. Tyty

[dire holly]

Lol

You do know that our shield was improved recently, right?

It might not be the old shield from back in the day, but it’s way better than what it was before with 5 second duration

If you ask me, I think we’re on par with most mages now

Maybe not with Sia, but they’re just on another level entirely

[dawn python]

Eh we aren’t bottom barrel dps wise for sure. I don’t really play any other mage. So I don’t have a feel for that. But shield is still lacking for what I use on a daily basis. Right now I don’t even have it on the wheel.

[dire holly]

And what do you use shield for on a daily basis?

Let me just tell you my experience so far

[dawn python]

I don’t. Just not on the wheel

[dire holly]

I’m a battle mage with 15.84m mdc and I’m getting second place in Lotus with players who probably have 18m, or close to, mdc

It’s not the fastest run by any means at 8:30 minutes, but that just gives you an idea of what kind of potential bam has

[dire holly]

So tell me then, what did you use shield for before?

Hilla? Von leon? Ark?

[dawn python]

Mu lung

And hhilla

From where I stand, I’d rather trade our current shield for a basic 10s cc. Would be more useful in more places etc.

[dire holly]

Shield still guards in mu lung

Shield still guards the dark cloud move in hilla

Shield still guards crack at intervals in ark

And you know what the great thing is about having 10s cc from a node skill?

You can have both shield and the 10 second cc

Wow a win/win

[dawn python]

Yes, but that’s 2min cd. While boss can be cc again in 90s. So have both cc would allow me to immobilize boss more frequently

Make our solo dailies content a bit quicker to finish.

[dire holly]

Now you’re reaching

Lol

It’s really not as bad as you make it out to be

[dawn python]

I mean I’m not privy to what Cygnus remaster will bring. So maybe I’m just not seeing the big picture. But please consider the burst mode for our v3. It’s just a flat improvement without hurting current usability.

[dire holly]

I won’t be considering that as it’s way too out of the box

[dawn python]

Having a 5s burst allows us to max dmg during that 10s cc

[dire holly]

I’d rather not have to deal with a toggle or any sort of arrow key input to toggle a burst

That’s just me personally. I’m looking at the bigger picture and I think v3 is ok the way it is

It needs a bit of a tweak in farming when mobs spawn, but aside from that its solid

Also, if you do a 1 minute run comparing v2 and v3, I’m pretty sure v3 beats v2 by a few hundred lines

Iirc, need to retest

[dawn python]

OIC. That’s after you max out cd so you can have it up 50% mmm interesting.

[dire holly]

Yes

It requires you to level it which is why I opted for lvling v3 instead of v2

But with that said, v2 will still do more lines than v3 outside of a 1 minute run

[rancid estuary]

[dawn python]

Guess v3 next after v1. Hehe Adele better come really late.

[dire holly]

Wrong

V2 first

Lvling v3 is only better for farming

[rancid estuary]

i think from 545z’s battle analysis, it showed that v2 was still better than v3 and he’s maxed all 3 skills (?)

[dire holly]

You don’t even need to see his analysis since you’re a bam

Run your own and you’ll see that v2 beats v3 in hit count in a 3 minute run

[rancid estuary]

o ya that too

[rancid estuary]

yes

[dawn python]

I do care about farming a lot though. When you prioritize one vs another. It just means what you craft right?

[dire holly]

Whoops wrong one

I need to run the test again because my v3 has improved since then

[dire holly]

Yea

[rancid estuary]

i mean what i was saying was it’s easier to look at what he has since his are maxed we can see which one is better with maximum duration

[dire holly]

Yes, yes

That too

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Even with maxed v3

I think v2 beats it by like

1500-2000 lines?

I don’t recall

So from a dps perspective, you want to max v2 second since it’s probably not going to cap at low levels

[rancid estuary]

that’s a lot of lines

[dire holly]

It sure is

But outside of counting lines

I chose to go for v3 for farming

[dawn python]

I will probably do the same.

[dire holly]

Since most of our time is abing anyways

[dire holly]

Now now, let’s not have this conversation here

End it please

If I have to mute both of you for some time I will

Ok I figured it out

Unofficial warning for both of you @dawn python @sharp sable

Let’s end it please

No more

[dawn python]

You won’t have any issue from here.

[sharp sable]

[dire holly]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-watchingyou-gif-18126667

[outer crane]

15627

[outer crane]

I sometimes get first place😆😆

[outer crane]

2205 I just tested today

Still V2 is better than V3

BaM needs V4