Battle Mage

[dire holly]

Where the sancro shield at?

Kidding

I'll test it out myself and get more data on shield

[smoky fjord]

For example from cvl swipe I took 6k+ now I'm taking 14k

[dire holly]

Lasers?

Lightning?

Before it would do 1s

[smoky fjord]

Hilla 35k from the explosion to about 45k now

U get hit from every attack in cvl. No more 1's

Ark still does 24k that won't change I guess

[dire holly]

And ark?

You said some attacks got blocked

I assume it's the same attacks as before?

[smoky fjord]

The orbs and the physical snake attack are still guarded

[dire holly]

And its swipe attack?

[smoky fjord]

Shield duration is too small I can't survive

[dire holly]

I guess that's what you mean by the physical snake attack

Hmm

So, so far the shield is worse off with far worse duration time

[smoky fjord]

Pretty much. The hp scale reduction is better than the current reduction

Taking more damage now

[dire holly]

Need to see what it does in Lotus and Damien

But I can't get into those runs

So Asia BaM has to post an update vid

[smoky fjord]

Ok I'm done testing. This shield is useless

[dire holly]

Thank you for testing, I will do some more testing myself and make note of the new shield changes

[smoky fjord]

The DPS did improve so that's good

[dire holly]

Honestly I think the shield duration change was a typo, even though they also changed the hyperskill duration to match

But again, I am not sure what it does in Lotus or Damien

[smoky fjord]

I'm gonna reset my hyper and remove shield

Not worth 10 seconds

None of the shield hyper stats are worth it.

[dawn python]

The alter on ab seems to be treated like a summoner minion. Meaning it doesn’t keep summoning if skill is off cd.

That is an improvement for ab at least. I left it on skill wheel for now.

You can see the effect more clearly if you only have alter on wheel

[dire holly]

Altar summon looks the same to me

[dawn python]

Oh. Guess I never looked deeply before. Taking it off wheel then if it’s the same.

[dire holly]

It's still added aoe so I use it regardless of if it can one shot or not

[smoky fjord]

Yeah I'm done playing this alt for now

[dire holly]

[night grotto]

the changes to fb is nice

let me hop back on board

[dire holly]

@night grotto Don't LOL

Shield is hot garbage now

[night grotto]

I wish there were more changes

[dire holly]

Considering all the other class rebalances, BaM got an ok one, but shield is really, really bad

[steady sinew]

Oooo how bad? I’m downloading now

I found shield really useless all this time

[dire holly]

Dps improvements are fine; you're not going to move up in rank much

But shield is really, really, really bad now

[steady sinew]

I’m curious what “all fixed dmg” means

[dire holly]

The old shield, from what I have heard so far is worse than the old shield

[steady sinew]

Was it fixed dmg?

[dire holly]

It wasn't fixed damage

[steady sinew]

Oh all dmg reduction

[dire holly]

TryLeft tested a bit earlier with shield hypers and it performed worse in Von Leon, and more or less the same in ark

[steady sinew]

Sorta weak sauce lol

Only 15%

[dire holly]

But the problem is that it does less than the previous shield and only has a 5 second duration

So it's literally not worth using anymore in my opinion

Also the shield cast time is long, so timing it to do anything good is hard

[smoky fjord]

Yeah it's pretty useless now

[steady sinew]

Hmmm

[smoky fjord]

So the damage of the new attack: you still need to be kinda close because it it doesn't damage at the tip of the attack

[steady sinew]

Lol @dawn python I like your suggestions don’t worry

[steady sinew]

Which? Finishing blow?

[smoky fjord]

Yeah

[dire holly]

The new animation is bad

It doesn't match the staff swings at all

[steady sinew]

aura scythe has the range and speed you’re looking for

When you max v1, it’s 2min aura scythe, 1 min finishing blow or whatever your preset is

[steady sinew]

Oh really? Show meeee

I’m out and can’t maple atm

[smoky fjord]

The activation feature they have for Sia and mechanic needs to be applied to bam alters

Have an in key for simultaneous summon so we don't have to press the down arrow. On the phone it's annoyed by to do so

[dire holly]

The animation reminds me of phantom

Not a fan

[dire holly]

This would definitely be better for ab

Lots of time is burned casting one altar at a time

And a lot of the time they are not placed in the best locations

[steady sinew]

Oh wow! It’s so different! 😂

[dire holly]

Yea

The range is a bit misleading according to @smoky fjord ,so that's something to get used to if playing with transparency on

[steady sinew]

So it’s still short ?

[dire holly]

Definitely still short

But it's 43% longer

Any sort of range improvement on fb is welcomed lol

[steady sinew]

Lol I saw a T rex comment somewhere before
Hahhaa good one lol

[dire holly]

Yea we hit puberty

Arms a little longer

[compact steeple]

Actually this is what this attack should be, in PCMS and KMSM

[dire holly]

Yea

Doesn't look too great to me

[sharp sable]

holy shit shield is so bad now

look what you 've done @dawn python

the extra range is nice tho

[unborn vale]

I got a 20% boost on dps in immortals dungeon (unbuffed) to 190m at least

[dire holly]

[lost epoch]

I’m all in for this

[dire holly]

[unborn vale]

Need to test if v1 dps = fb dps tomorrow

Mine is level 15 so maybe close

Someone here had it max

[dire holly]

Will be equal if you cap already

Fully buffed that is

[unborn vale]

Ah yes true

Maybe extra like wins for v1 if capping

[dawn python]

I always felt that v1 animation is a little faster than fb. So I can squeeze in more v1 than fb in a given time.

Like in mu lung fl39, I can usually spit out 5 v1 vs 4 fb safely before I need to reposition

[sharp sable]

They added a hit count this rebalance no?

To v1

[dire holly]

Yes, hit count +1 to v1

Extra hit count to dg lightning passive

Skill damage adjustment to lightning passive and dark shock

[sharp sable]

Ye so dps should be higher with v1 vs FB now

Not equal right?

[dire holly]

Adjustment to condemnation. So you don’t gain skill damage per level, instead it’s a flat % gain

Not equal but not much better lol

[sharp sable]

Ya true LOL

19 hits vs 18 hits

[dire holly]

Overall it’s a tiny improvement

Nothing crazy

But shield

[sharp sable]

But v1 auras should help dark shock/DG AD/altar output vs FB only

But yeah smol amounts

[dire holly]

This is true

[sharp sable]

Shield tho

[dire holly]

So I tested shield a bit more yesterday

The cast time feels quicker, and the icon appears way faster in the buff bar than it did before

But it doesn’t block more than it did before; in fact, it’s worse in some bosses

So given that it blocks less in some instances, and doesn’t improve on anything else

The duration being butchered makes no sense

[smoky fjord]

I can't wrap my head around them giving mechanics the simultaneous summon function and forget to give it to bam V2 alters. How can they forget a detail like that?

[dire holly]

I'll add that to the list of suggestions for a future update

Would be very nice to have in af

[dawn python]

Let’s put our heads together and come up with what we actually want our shield to be. I will go first. Revert back to old shield but add 10s damage immunity to bam when casting. Like how they changed aran’s skill to have 2s immunity when casting. That’s all I want. Some short sancro for each cast giving our very first own iframe.

[dire holly]

I'll let you guys go about that and lurk from the side

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Ok I just thought of something

[smoky fjord]

Al I wanted was the old shield to have around 40% hp scale when maxed hyper

[dire holly]

So I proposed this yesterday

45 second duration, 90 second cooldown, same 15% scaling without hypers

This makes it so that shield will have 50% uptime without hypers and 100% uptime with

But here’s another proposal: 5 second cooldown to allow us to reposition the shield, similar to what they did with mech’s hex or marksman’s arrow illusion in this update

[smoky fjord]

Explain this part

[dire holly]

Oh sorry

uptime

[smoky fjord]

I like the suggestion. The repositioning as well.

I don't like the 15% scaling..I prefer more

[dire holly]

Yea.. I would like more as well

But this is the only way I can see it making any sense

[smoky fjord]

Sacrifice up time to get more HP scaling

[dire holly]

Then it’d be too powerful

[rancid estuary]

i tested shield during von leon laser and died instantly

[dire holly]

Assuming it can be repositioned with a 5 second cooldown

[rancid estuary]

this is nice

[smoky fjord]

I loved the uptime for the original shield when maxed. 1 minute

Cool down 120 sec

[dire holly]

That’s 50%

Same as what I just proposed

But if we go with the repositioning suggestion, then it’s 100% uptime

[rancid estuary]

yea, and bosses like hilla and magnus have bleeds which are HP scaled. shield was helpful not only to me but the rest of party

[dire holly]

But the shield is just far worse than it was before

[smoky fjord]

Ok

[smoky fjord]

Right

[dire holly]

Embracing the new changes, I think this suggestion is the best we got

None of this sancro talk otherwise the duration will be half a second long

[rancid estuary]

now i’ll get hit 850000 instead of 999999 for chilla assplosion

[dire holly]

[smoky fjord]

Well 75k for me lol

That's max shield

[rancid estuary]

750k

[smoky fjord]

Yes 750

[dire holly]

You still ded

[smoky fjord]

Sorry

[rancid estuary]

1mil HP when

[smoky fjord]

I reset my hyper removed all shield. Few hours ago

[dire holly]

I’ll test shield bleed later in hmag

Unless one of you guys want to do it now

I gotta brb for a bit

[smoky fjord]

I'm done testing. The shield is just 🗑️ now.

I'm taking a break from bam to play another alt

[rancid estuary]

oh i can do it

[smoky fjord]

Their strategy must be to nerf it so bad and buff it slightly next update and expect us to be happy 😁

[rancid estuary]

first vid without shield second vid with shield

[dire holly]

So you’re taking roughly 10% hp-scaled bleed damage

Shield blocks close to 2k

So yea shield seems to be blocking around 15%

After seeing this, I think my suggestion is fair

45 second duration, 5 second cooldown (to allow for repositioning), 15% damage reduction

In terms of what it can block, it does not hold up to what was described in the patch notes

[smoky fjord]

😂

Miss old shield

The the dash missed as well

[dire holly]

Damage reduction description is also bad because it claims “all” damage reduction

But fixed damage doesn’t get reduced

And I am willing to bet that a lot of late game bosses have fixed damage abilities

[dire holly]

The one nice thing I will say about the new shield is that it appears almost instantly

[rancid estuary]

it does

fixed damage gets reduced by 15% that’s why we get 850k hit instead of 999k from assplosion

or purple wave

so ark’s lightning will hit 85% of 120k ,, etc

[smoky fjord]

I didn't make a video but it still guards in ark. But again the duration kills it.

[dire holly]

Ark lightning?

[rancid estuary]

magnus big red ball will be 85% or 104k

[dire holly]

@smoky fjord Didn’t you say ark lightning still does 24k?

[smoky fjord]

It does

[rancid estuary]

y u dodge lightninggggg i wanna seeee if it does 24000x5

HUH

[dire holly]

Yea so

Shield still weird lol

[smoky fjord]

This was the old shield. The 24k is fix

Even now

[rancid estuary]

oh

no

..

[smoky fjord]

Crack does 999999 but as you can see at 100% I never ran ark with a group to see what crack does at a lower %

[rancid estuary]

20.4k

[dire holly]

Shield sooo weird

[smoky fjord]

I can't play that

[dire holly]

In theory it shouldn’t block anything anymore

[rancid estuary]

20400 is 85% of 24000

[dire holly]

But reduce all incoming damage

[rancid estuary]

ikr

[smoky fjord]

Ss? Lol

[rancid estuary]

…

[dire holly]

Honestly I don’t mind reducing all damage if the cooldown and duration made sense

[smoky fjord]

18 sec not sure why I can't play it

[rancid estuary]

sry xD long vid too lazy to crop

[dire holly]

I’m sticking with my suggestion: 45 second duration, 5 second cooldown (to reposition), and 15% damage reduction

[smoky fjord]

Overall I prefer the hp scale besides the fix damage it reduced other damages more

[rancid estuary]

just bring back HP scale

[dire holly]

Me too, but if they were to stick with this change, this is the proposal I’d write down

[rancid estuary]

fair

it really does help for fixed damage

magnus balls, ark lightning

everything else MEH

[dawn python]

Explain please what is the 5s cd for repositioning?

[smoky fjord]

This shield imo was better than bishops benediction. But bishop has a higher HP scale reduction. But we are immune to a few more attacks than they are

[rancid estuary]

u can reposition the shield

[dawn python]

If it has 30s duration and normal 60s cd

[dire holly]

The only thing that should hit us is lightning in ark

So it’s not bad

[rancid estuary]

bishops shell is 10% hp scale attack reduction unless they put hyper into it that makes it 20%

[dire holly]

It’s just going to be a 5 second cooldown instead of the current 90 seconds

[smoky fjord]

Obviously ours are stationary so bishop has a lead there

I thought they had 40%

[rancid estuary]

oop we never had abnormal status res xD

[dire holly]

In this patch note, mech’s hex and some other skills got a cooldown reduction from 30 seconds to 5 seconds to allow skills to be repositioned

[dawn python]

If cd is 5s. Wouldn’t it then be 100% uptime? Or you mean shield has 30s duration. 10s later yiu reposition and it has 20s remaining duration?

[smoky fjord]

I tried benediction on top of party shield before. It's so good when both are combined

[dire holly]

45 second duration, 5 second cooldown

30 second duration is too short

Think of how many times you’d have to recast it

[dawn python]

Isn’t that still 100% uptime unless I’m missing something.

[dire holly]

Yes 100% but this is under the new 15% damage reduction change

Since it doesn’t perform as well as the old hp-scaled value

[dawn python]

I dig 100% uptime shield.

[smoky fjord]

How did you guys do in mulong today

[dire holly]

43 ez

[dawn python]

Haven’t tried. Normally I try 42 on Monday. Rest just clear 40

[dire holly]

Jk I haven’t tried but it’s not hard to get past 40-42

[smoky fjord]

I see

[dire holly]

Shield or not

Just practice using battle burst

[dawn python]

I do it unbuffed except Monday since I try to get medal

[smoky fjord]

Yeah I gotta try end of week I got knocked out of 3rd place on my main

[rancid estuary]

i teleport into worm and died

[smoky fjord]

Bam not very competitive on inosys

[dire holly]

The change to crit rate will also improve mu lung times, so have to update

[rancid estuary]

oh yeah

[dire holly]

Some may even be able to beat 45

[dawn python]

Not bam I don’t think. Other classes already beat 45 on my server

[smoky fjord]

Battle burst dashes through 43 plant monster easy?

[dawn python]

Yes it can. My dmg is just weak

[dire holly]

Well I’m saying classes that weren’t able to before might be able to now

I might be able to beat 44 if I tried hard enough

[dawn python]

Takes too long to clear 43 and I’m not willing to rebuff for mu lung. Just my leftover cra buff on Monday.

[smoky fjord]

Unfortunately I can't teleport through it with my kaiser. And our dash has a 5 sec cool down

[dawn python]

Try the blink node? Just wondering.

[smoky fjord]

Blink is short range

[dawn python]

Oh

[smoky fjord]

Kaiser teleport looks far but it's actually not

Maybe because in dragon for the body frame becomes bigger

[dawn python]

Does our new shield block 39/40 attacks still?

[smoky fjord]

I get touched

[dawn python]

From mu lung

[dire holly]

Haven’t tested

[dawn python]

I will do a run later in the day. Let’s see what happens.

[smoky fjord]

If it block it. Ok but the duration 😂

Which one is 39 again?

The night walker?

I forgot lol

Oh that 37

[rancid estuary]

try hard please so u can represent

[dire holly]

It’s the one before mu gong in the old version

[dire holly]

I am representing

[rancid estuary]

[dawn python]

The demon and then the mech. Ops I should have said 39/40.

[dire holly]

Mech is 41

40 is a ninja guy

[rancid estuary]

39 is the kaiser looking dude

[dire holly]

39 is wave sword maker doer

[smoky fjord]

Ok

[dawn python]

Ahh right I got mixed up with my da. Since I just aim for fl40 clear on da. Before the mech. The hat and sword guy and the Kaiser.

It was easy living with the long duration shield before on those floors.

[dire holly]

Shield not needed for those floors

Shield not needed until 44

All attacks before then are quite predictable

The only one that might give you trouble is mech

And flower just because of size

But battle burst is key

[dawn python]

I haven’t seriously looked at the flower yet. Usually by the time I clear worm my leftover buff is gone. Then I’m just wet noodle

[dire holly]

Yea it takes a while without buffs

But now with the crit rate changes

You should have more time on buffs

Assuming that you use a necro wep

[dawn python]

I have a crappy one. Bd emb. It went from bd to pa to bd. Was pissed

[dire holly]

Luckily there’s a 30% emblem change scroll for beating floor 43

[dawn python]

I’m saving all achievements for Adele. Hehe.

[dire holly]

Fair

[rancid estuary]

where

oh

i didn’t read

got excited once i read 30% emb change

[unborn vale]

You get to try Floor 43 first

I don’t know it’s attacks yet, i always beat worm and suicide as other BaM in EU only cleared floor 41

So just trying to be top

[dire holly]

Floor 43 attacks are very predictable

So long as you play with a little bit of patience, you will be ok

[unborn vale]

Ok nice I’ll try this week

[steady sinew]

5s cool down as opposed to 5s uptime? LOLLLLLL

If you can get this.. I’ll make an android in your honour @dire holly

Ill also settle for your suggestion ytd too.. 50% ratio.. 45s uptime, 90s cool-down .. it’s same as b4 just able to use more often as that’s their intention in their patch notes..

Battle mages are famous for their shields.. 5 second shield is really disheartening 💔

[dawn python]

I like matching the cd of shield with cd for v1 in some multiple fashion. I think v1 is 180s. So I would like 90s or 60s cd for shield with corresponding 45s or 30s shield uptime. That would be nice when we revert back to short arm/ T. rex arm status we can hide in our shield.

Actually I think that would mean the uptime needs to be 60s in order to be covered. So unless we change shield to be charge based. Like upto 2 charges and each charge is 30s uptime. That would work.

Being charge based will also allow Impromptu reposition. Maybe 3 charges with 180s total cd. Or 60s per charge refill.

Yea I think this setup for the shield duration will the ideal. 3 charges. Each charge last 30s. 60s per charge refill.

We can debate what shield protection needs to be as a separate issue. I think the baseline needs to be what we had before. With some improvement will be appreciated

I write in stream of consciousness if that’s not clear before. 😂

[dawn python]

Base duration per charge is 20s with hyper extending it to 30s. Base charge refill time is 90s with hyper cut it down to 60s. Boom 50% uptime maintained and gain more flexibility on where and when to use the shield.

Being charge based also means we can start a boss fight with 90s uptime in the bag. And during that 90s at least one more charge is refilled. So really we can start any boss fight with 2mins of shield. What’s not to like?

[dire holly]

So 45 second duration, 5 second cooldown to allow for more repositioning of the skill, similar to mech’s hex skill or marksman’s arrow illusion

The charge system seems good as well, but who knows

Shield currently doesn’t block enough attacks

If it blocked more attacks than I wouldn’t mind it the way it is

[dawn python]

I think the charge system has a better chance of being implemented vs the 100% uptime idea. Since on the surface it isn’t a buff vs what shield used to be. 50% uptime with hypers. But in practice, this will be more flexible and better duration wise than before since most boss fights finish within 3mins. So you have shield 66% of the time vs 50% in practice.

Therefore I suggest we long suffering bams band together and push the charge system for shield duration.

[smoky fjord]

Battle Mage Support: Also known as a support class battle mages should provide a higher offensive/defensive buffs percentage than non-support classes.

Note that dark aura and weakening aura were nerfed in the last character rebalance.
-Improve Haste Aura stat %
-Remove Draining Aura Reactivation use
-Improve Blue Aura stat %, and Blue Aura hyper passive so that it debuffs everyone in the party
-Improve Dark Aura stat %
-Improve Weakening Aura stat%
-Improve Party Shield DMG reduction and DMG reduction for HP-scaled attacks. Since BAM doesn't have an iframe, add the sacrosanctity effect to the shield where the user alone is affected for 30 seconds or the entire party is affected for 15 seconds while inside the shield.

Battle Mage Offensive: Also known as an attacker should have higher offensive ability.
-Improve finishing blow: Increase the attack rage and attack speed
-Improve Grim Reaper: Increase attack speed by reducing the animation, -Improve Grim Contract III skill damage
-Improve Sweeping Staff: Let it not be affected by damage reflect
-Improve Aura scythe: Increase attack speed, and let it not be affected by damage reflect
-Altar of Annihilation: Increase attack speed
-Dark Shock: Let this be a toggle skill, a debuff that brands the enemy in a certain radius that works similarly to the weakening aura.

Quality of life changes
-Grim Reaper: Let it be a toggle skill. This skill turns off frequently during expedition
-Aura Scythe: Let it activate during auto-battle or equipable to pet with another aura skill. Currently, you cannot equip aura scythe and aura skill to a pet at the same time. Battle mages suffer during auto-battle because of this.

Feel free to edit

This is the old feedback that was posted prior patch

[keen scaffold]

Would be kinda cool if the shield was a channel ability like super smash bro's . Feel like this game lacks in active thinking sometimes

[dire holly]

I only implemented the 5 second cooldown to reposition because of how bad the current shield is at blocking attacks. Also, take a look at Mechanic’s Hex ability. They recently changed it to a 5 second cooldown to allow for better repositioning of the skill. In case you aren’t aware of Mechanic’s Hex skill, hex heals for 5k per tick and also provides a fd bonus; this is also 100% uptime. So please do tell me 100% uptime on shield is a bad suggestion

[dire holly]

I don’t like this idea. That just sounds like bishop’s benediction without being able to cast attacks

[dire holly]

Let’s delete this from our memories and start fresh

I have already made an extensive note about BaMs, so we are in good hands

Only thing that we should focus on at the moment is shield

[dawn python]

I certainly will prefer 100% uptime with unlimited flexibility for repositioning over a charge system. Was just wondering if the devs will think that’s too op. So charge system is a sneakier buff on the shield duration. Not saying your suggestion is bad in anyway in terms of functionality. Just the chance of being adopted by msm. I only have a 12x mech alt that I just checkin with. I will take a look next time to see what it does.

[dire holly]

How is it op?

It blocks LESS than it did before

TryLeft can confirm this

Only boss I can see it being op on is ark

That is it

[dawn python]

I mean the protection part needs to revert back to before. The current protection is crap. I was using the old shield protection as baseline.

[dire holly]

And the charge system is dumb

Let me once again refer to the Mech Hex ability

Do you see how strong that skill is?

Why can't our shield be just the same?

[dawn python]

From your description yea. It’s perm 5k heal tick plus fd bonus. That’s op

[dire holly]

This is what I am saying. if they maintain the current reduction structure, my implementation is best considering the other changes they made to other class skills for "repositioning" purposes

Essentially my suggestion, if you think about it, is a shield with unlimited charges

Your suggestion is more or less the same concept, but with less options to move shield once placed down

[smoky fjord]

Well you have to consider that the new shield still guards some attacks. Repositioning refreshes the duration. They will think it's op

[dire holly]

That is also the problem

But right now

Shield blocks less than it did before

And if we assume that it really did block 15% from ALL attacks (instead of blocking some), this 100% uptime, repositioning suggestion is more ideal

[dawn python]

I’m holding out hope that if we accept less than 100% uptime we could argue for better shield protection. As you said if they give us just the current shield protection then yea we need your suggestion in order for me to consider any hyper investment in shield.

[smoky fjord]

When you consider ark for example. It's still blocking the attacks it did before

[dire holly]

Which is why shield is still bad

Because it blocks some and blocks less on other

It does not make sense

So shield still needs to be reworked outside of readjusting its duration

[smoky fjord]

What did we not like about the old shield?

[dire holly]

Basically the same as it is now

It's too finicky

It works well in some bosses

And doesn't work at all in others

Like if you had hypers in shield, you could block way more attack in von leon

Now you can't

But it still works the same in ark? That's wacky

Shield is just too inconsistent

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Like I don't even think it does anything in Lotus, let alone Damien

[rancid estuary]

shhhhh , let’s keep quiet before they nerf our shield again

[smoky fjord]

So you are asking for consistency

[dawn python]

This is the big issue. We don’t know what we can count on with the shield except via trial and error.

[dire holly]

It's going to get changed again regardless

Shield is, and always was, wacky

[rancid estuary]

[dawn python]

I want it to work well in nmag so I can solo it unbuffed with ease. That’s my goal.

[smoky fjord]

So the shield should be more consistent in what it blocks for every boss. That's 1 point

[dire holly]

This is my reply to that

Git good

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Shield is not needed in anything man

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Pract practice practice

I never really needed to use shield in hmag other than to stop the bleeding from time to time

But it can be done without it

[rancid estuary]

yeah same

[dawn python]

So to me. Shield protection should include status resist, stun protection and some % dmg reduction.

[rancid estuary]

only during assidents

yeah i’d like a 10% abnormal status resistance in there ngl

[dawn python]

My wish list ar least.

[smoky fjord]

That's a good point because the old shield with hypers would block stuns in hilla yet in hard von bon it doesn't block the stun

[dire holly]

You are really persistent on this sancro shield concept

Listen

We are Battle Mages

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Not a wanna-be secondhand paladin

Or any other support for that matter

What can we do differently from those other support classes?

[rancid estuary]

be the bottom

[dawn python]

We don’t have boss stun or iframe. So figured shield should offer something along those lines.

[dire holly]

I apologize if I am coming off strong, but I have played this class for far too long and am invested in it

You can argue that battle burst is an i-frame

[smoky fjord]

Only think I want is old shield with higher HP scale e reduction. With hyper it was 20% so maybe 35-40. The old shield blocked a lot of status effect already we don't need it to do more

[dire holly]

That is also a problem

I have mentioned this before

Bishop's benediction blocks up to 10% hp-scaled at the start and goes up with their max hp

Having 40% hp scaled reduction on shield is too much

[smoky fjord]

K just wanted to make sure that was my point. I'm not asking for sancro

[dire holly]

We cannot outdo bishops or paladins

We need something different

Something new

[rancid estuary]

i don’t think there are even HP scale attack greater than 20%

unless there is

[dire holly]

Well all I know is that

We can't outshine bishops

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

10% base was already good enough, but the inconsistencies in what it can/can't block was bad

If it was more consistent, many other teams would consider us in harder runs

But right now, we are only considered as dps

And that has always been a problem

Since day 1

[smoky fjord]

I want this shield to be so worth it that people want bam in their party. That's why it should be better than bishop

[dire holly]

I do as well

Not better than bishop though

Think about it

This is our 4th job skill

Theirs is a vskill

Think about it

[smoky fjord]

The shield was already better than bishop imo but no one cared still

[dire holly]

The thing is

Bishop bene is suppose to outscale shield

Not the other way around

[smoky fjord]

I want it to that's just me I guess lol

[dire holly]

Well..

I'll just lurk now and not provide my input

But let it be known

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

I have played since day 1

[rancid estuary]

we need the number one bam

[smoky fjord]

Not saying you shouldn't I just letting you know my stance and we can find a middle ground where we all agree

[dire holly]

That's going to be tough but I would like that to happen as well

I just want BaMs to be good

[rancid estuary]

give BaM shadow partner

[smoky fjord]

It's not even my main and I'm.fighting for this class

[dire holly]

And have other players consider us for runs like Lotus and Damien in the future

[dire holly]

Just give everyone shadow partner

[rancid estuary]

[smoky fjord]

The meta is DPS and support gotta chose one for bam

[dire holly]

Not even then

Look at bishop

[rancid estuary]

we janky for both

[dire holly]

All they were good for was support, but many bishop players complained that their dps was poor

[rancid estuary]

i cant lose FD Cd and an extra line on FB for like

[dire holly]

So they made them have the best of both worlds

[rancid estuary]

5 sec of shield

[dire holly]

Look at Paladin just as another example

They were once just a threaten mule

[smoky fjord]

Ok you are right

[rancid estuary]

[smoky fjord]

They are balanced

[dire holly]

But now they can do dps and be the best support outside of bishop?

[rancid estuary]

[smoky fjord]

What bam's can offered in terms of aura and protection is not worth it for a party as we all know. Nexon knows this to lol.

[dire holly]

No worries

We are in good hands

[smoky fjord]

I kinda feel they made a mistake with this shield

[dire holly]

Shield is just wacky

It is what it is

[smoky fjord]

I mean it literally makes zero sense the way it is now.

[rancid estuary]

shield taken off skill wheel

i honestly don’t even know when to use it

[dire holly]

It never made sense before either

[rancid estuary]

anymore *

[smoky fjord]

It's of zero use

[dire holly]

The only good thing that came out of shield is that the cast time, and the time it takes for the buff to appear, is almost instant now

[dawn python]

I think for me shield is a crutch. A bridge for the middling geared bam that can still do mid tier bosses easily. Like I mentioned before I also have da as a regular char I play. I was having a tough time clearing fl40 since I need to fly up every 5s to avoid dmg. Then I tried to research on YouTube to improve. Guess what all the da vid on mu lung never bothered to move. They just killed the boss before boss can even attack. Like they only started repositioning at the worm.

So having a long duration shield that blocks a lot of attacks was very good qol crutch since I can’t facetank nor blast through bosses in secs. For me the fights are a lot longer and I need to avoid any mistakes. That makes bossing exponentially harder vs someone who’s endgame geared. In other words I know and exp the pain of lower tier bams that the top end players may not realize.

[smoky fjord]

This is me in ark when I first got this skill. Enter ark dungeon. Wait for ark to get close to me put up shield, ark takes about 3 seconds to use an attack. 7-6 seconds left for duration 😂

[dire holly]

Shield in ark acts more like Bishop shell now

Shield cast is near instant so it's made to block crack for those who are near us

But with that said, it's still too wacky

[dire holly]

I understand what you mean. I see players who can reach/beat floor 44, but for me, I lacked the dps to knock down cygnus (floor 44); even floor 43 takes me a while fully buffed, so shield would come in handy at the later levels for me.

But with that said, the stages that we complete for dailies (floor 40) can be done by just battle bursting to the opposite side

I did use shield to stand and hit without being more proactive to get the floor 40 completion, but maybe it has become too good in mu lung

Like you said, it may have become a crutch for some players

[dawn python]

Yea I use shield for lazy 40 clear. It’s entirely doable without shield to clear 41. At worm(42) I really needed the shield for the uninterrupted dpsing. Since it takes so long if I have to teleport back and forth avoiding 1hko while trying to dps. (Need v1 active)

[dire holly]

42 is also doable

So the trick is to use v1 for the added range

Stand near the middle and spam attack, v2, sweeping

When the attack comes, you teleport to the left

Wait for the attack explosion to end

Continue attacking until the next attack comes, then teleport back to middle

It'll take a long time to clear it, but hey, at least it can be cleared

[dawn python]

That’s pretty what I do when v1 is up. When it’s down I was using shield to continue. With this new shield I will have trouble do dps while v1 is down.

[dire holly]

Fb range is uh

Yea.. it's not great lol

[dawn python]

Maybe I need to put that dark chain out. Lol

[dire holly]

But it just goes to show you that it can be done

I mean you could..

When you are not in range

[smoky fjord]

Who's top bam?

[dire holly]

A BaM in Asia

[dawn python]

Restore here.

[dire holly]

I'm no where close to the Asia BaM

[dawn python]

Not in this sever. Doesn’t exist. Haha

[smoky fjord]

This discord is also connected with Asia?

[dire holly]

It should be?

[smoky fjord]

Ok

[dire holly]

But I think most Asia players use a different chatting app

[dawn python]

I’m going to use the reset scroll to get hypers back from the shield. I think I will put 1 in ba aura and 1 in something else. Since it will be a few months before we get any shield change I think. Rn it’s trash.

[steady sinew]

I’m in A2

[dire holly]

If you want to go the full dps route, you can put points into 3fb, 1 weakening, 1 dark

[steady sinew]

Is top bam in A1 or A2?

[dire holly]

I am not entirely sure

[steady sinew]

I have 1 hyper on shield persist

[smoky fjord]

I skip additional 10% boss attack

Why they even lower it to 10% stupid

[dire holly]

If I were to put 1 point in shield, it would probably be to lower the cooldown to 60

It has always been 10% ba

[steady sinew]

I haven’t reset yet

But I’m casting dark shock now for that 10% ba

[smoky fjord]

I did 3 for the main attack, weakening and blue aura

[dire holly]

v2 does the same

I can't justify putting a point in blue aura

The 10 second reactivation time is too long

[keen scaffold]

Yeah I mean you'd know BaM playstyle better than me I'm still trying to find an active class that I'd have fun playing

[steady sinew]

After patch, shield is guarding orb and slash.. and I can tank lightning unbuffed - I think it’s 15% reduce of lightning

[smoky fjord]

I just did it because I'll never be top DPS

[keen scaffold]

Thought BaM's teleporting wombs combo would be cool but t rex arms meh

[dire holly]

Shield is just weird

[steady sinew]

Does it stack?
V2 + dark shock?

[dire holly]

It does not

v2 applies the dark brand

So you don't need to teleport

Just use it to dodge now

[dawn python]

How do you cast dark shock? Thought it was a buff.

[dire holly]

It is a buff

She's referring to the dark brand from teleport

[steady sinew]

Lmao I put it on preset with condemnation so I don’t forget to tap it

[dawn python]

I have it on buff pets. Hehe

[dire holly]

You can put dark shock on pets

[steady sinew]

Nani ?

[dire holly]

[steady sinew]

LOL

[dire holly]

Dark shock = buff

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

Dark brand is the little dark purple circle that comes from teleport/v2

[smoky fjord]

Can we tell them grim reaper should always be turned on. It's annoying when switching maps

[steady sinew]

B4 patch I tested in lotus too shield was guarding from 2 out of 3 bots

[dawn python]

So what is dark shock brand dmg now after this patch? Does dark genesis passive bonus stack on top of the dark shock dmg? So it becomes 120%? There anouts?

[steady sinew]

But could not guard stun..
Which is what you all said, shield guards stun in some bosses but not others

[dire holly]

Shield weird

[dire holly]

60% base

[dawn python]

That’s my biggest beef. I want it work like it did in hhilla. So useful. And then chilla = nada.

[dire holly]

Dark genesis passive is something else entirely

Both work

[dawn python]

Dark genesis has passive bonus on dark shock in description.

[smoky fjord]

What if just what if

What if they intend to add shield to node?

[dire holly]

It's just a % increase passive once you unlock dark genesis

[steady sinew]

Yup I use shield here too

[rancid estuary]

how would this work

[smoky fjord]

Get nodes to up the duration etc

[dire holly]

Shield = inconsistent

I don't like that idea lol

Would it be a boost node?

[rancid estuary]

i don't really wanna waste a slot just for shield

[smoky fjord]

I hate it to but just saying what if they planned that lol

[dire holly]

What is the point of having shield hypers if they add a shield node?

[smoky fjord]

I'm just to justify them doing it that way 😂 I guess I cant

[dire holly]

I'd rather not lol

[rancid estuary]

[dire holly]

My slots are full

And v3 isn't out yet

[rancid estuary]

same

[smoky fjord]

I hope this v3 teleports with the user

[steady sinew]

Just checked, it is on my pets LOL

[dire holly]

Yea, so you can just use v2 to apply dark brand instead of teleport

Now teleport is for dodging

[dire holly]

I think it does based on the video I saw

[steady sinew]

Yeah , it’s always been on

[dire holly]

[steady sinew]

Hahahaaha

[smoky fjord]

Was also changed in the PC because it used to teleport with the user

[dire holly]

hmm

So it's stationary in pc now?

[smoky fjord]

https://youtu.be/WoES_56qwks

This was posted 4 years ago. It's stationary now in the PC

At this time however it teleported with the user

[dire holly]

But have you seen the msm version of it?

It looks a little different

[smoky fjord]

Oh yes in MSM it's stationary

[dire holly]

Let me find the video

[rancid estuary]

i don't think it moves with the user, i think the user is re-calling it to reposition right above their head

[smoky fjord]

Ok

[rancid estuary]

honestly i'm not sure

[smoky fjord]

Well I know in the PC some skills are stationary you have to do what you said. Re summon when off cooldown.

To reposition it

But this was few years ago

[rancid estuary]

ahh

v3 looks rlly dope

pretty excited

[dire holly]

Yea you are right, it's stationary

But the aoe seems good

[dire holly]

Could be this

[smoky fjord]

The attack speed seems slow to me and the range doesn't look wide imo

[dire holly]

It's more for farming

I don't think it'll be that good in bossing

[rancid estuary]

yea >< agreed

[dire holly]

According to the numbers I saw in another video

Let me see if I can't find that pic

This is maxed v3 by the way

Looks like 50% uptime

[smoky fjord]

Yeah I've seen this

Compare this video to the shadower 😂

And look at von bon's hp

[dire holly]

Shadower?

Just judging from the hit count alone and the slow cast, I think upgrading v2 is better for dps than v3

[smoky fjord]

There might be a gear difference but still

What I was saying compare him using bam V3 and shadower V3. Look at how much hp both took from VB

Shadower V3 looks so strong

[dire holly]

Is shad v3 a burst though?

BaM v3 is over time

@smoky fjord I'm going to DM you

[lost epoch]

Idk if you guys notice but there was a patch last night and it claimed to fix a bug in FB. I tested and the range looks much better

[dire holly]

Oh yea

TryLeft mentioned that the animation was longer than the actual skill itself

So that's a good fix

[dawn python]

Are you my competition for bam mu lung each week? I see that you cleared 42 again post patch. I might have to give up the fight now with the shield change.

[lost epoch]

I’m guessing you’re Everlyn..? I mostly aimed to clear only until floor 40 to get the mu gong box 😂

If I got extra buff then maybe 42

[dire holly]

Beating floor 43 for the emblem change scroll is nice if you need it

[dawn python]

Same. I try once a week with buff (leftover from cra) and rest of time just fl40

Problem is I have fat finger syndrome. So hard to be mistake free for long periods of time. 😂 so sometimes I teleport right into worm while I tapping madly away.

[smoky fjord]

So can we come up with some changes we would like to see by the end of the week to post in the feedback?

[dire holly]

Look at the DM I sent you

[lost epoch]

I can relate. My eye hand coordination changes everyday 😂

[lost epoch]

Is it too much to suggest more lines on sweeping staff? 👀

[dire holly]

Already done

I have advocated for 72 lines already

[dawn python]

I will admit that I care a lot about our farming efficiency. So I would like to add some horizontal expansion on sweeping staff aoe would be nice. We don’t have a good map clear.

[dire holly]

I'll add it to the list

[dawn python]

See the passive dmg bonus to dark shock? So dark shock is 60% base. With DG, that’s now 130% sd

So I’m assuming that each time we attack a mob tagged by our dark brand (from v2 for example), we are also doing 2 lines at 130% sd boosted by the dark shock node. Now I think dark shock being a lv60 buff, the node boost should be 3% fd per lvl vs the 2% for 4th job skills.

Please add that to the list too. I mean we are still dps deficient so anything that even remotely make senses dmg wise we should ask for.

[dire holly]

That is not something I will add

[smoky fjord]

Finish blow better than lvl 1 aura scythe

[modest kelp]

Having IED on weakening aura

[dire holly]

Yes, I have made that an "iffy" suggestion

[dire holly]

Initial skill damage value of v1 could use a bit of a tweak

[smoky fjord]

Wasn't it suppose to be v1% on top of FB

[dire holly]

Nope

That’d be like 410% skill damage with v1 maxed out if that was the case

[unborn vale]

I need to test the dark shock piece again to see if levelling up the boost node gives us any extra dps - which it should?

When i tried it pre patch it didn’t really do anything

My suggestions for changes from now would be the lines on sweeping staff, and small increase in base % of v1 skill dmg

[sharp sable]

Just git gud

[sharp sable]

Don't let these alt bam noobs tell u what to do, u know what's best for the class, always have

I do think dark shock should be 3% FD per level instead of 2% though. Almost every other class has similar values (2% FD for 4th job skills, 3% FD for 3rd job, 4% FD for 2nd job, etc)

With some exceptions of course when the 1st/2nd/3rd job skill is their main skill (pathfinder, evan, sia, etc.)

[sharp sable]

O hai #1 inosys bam

[dawn python]

Agree 100%. Would like to see v1 start at just below fb and reduce the level up sd % increase so that by lvl 10 v1 should equal fb sd% and better after that. No reason to penalize players with less funding such that you need 50B in v1 nodes before you don’t suffer a dmg decrease using it

[dire holly]

That’s too much of an increase

The purpose of v skills is to level them up

If you get 10-15 levels into v1 you can do more than fb

[dawn python]

I mean scale down the per lvl increase so it tops out at the same lvl. Just a better starting value so we aren’t deep in a hole until lvl15+

[dire holly]

And given how node prices have decreased significantly since release, leveling v skills will only improve

V1 maxes out at 210%, 10% above fb

What you’re essentially asking for is to put v1 at like 175% and gain 1% a level

[dawn python]

Ok working backwards, that means 0.5% per lvl up and start at 5% below. Hehe

[dire holly]

That’s just not happening

What I’m ok with right now is if they made a 30% increase in the starting skill damage of v1

Because it currently sits at, what, 120%?

[dawn python]

They equalized the hits on v1 and fb now I believe. Before v1 had a hit advantage. So higher starting value for v1 isn’t that big of ask I think. B

[dire holly]

V1 is 19, fb is 18 now

Came directly from this update

High starting value is fine, but for it to be a smidge under fb is too much

[dawn python]

Oh. Still 1hit advantage. Well in that case a small increase to the starting value like you suggested will be good enough. .

[smoky fjord]

The scythe. Is its own attack? Has nothing to do with FB? So the only perk about this skill is reach and combine aura?

[dire holly]

Then you ask yourself, “what point is there in leveling it except for just a few % sd gain and duration

[dawn python]

Yea like 155-160% starting value I think will be good.

[dire holly]

Going from the initial 120% to 150% with adjusted scaling % sd (2%) per level is fine to me

[smoky fjord]

All other classes v1 is its own attack sheesh

[dawn python]

The combined aura is the big draw and range. I also think it had an animation advantage over fb. At least the old fb. Not sure if it’s still faster than the new fb

[dire holly]

New fb is the same from what I can see

And yes, v1 animation is quicker

[dawn python]

Just want to help out the bam’s just hitting 200. So v1 isn’t a dps loss for a few lvls.

[smoky fjord]

Feels slower than FB to me. When manual. In auto battle the frequency is slower

[dawn python]

Try it on fl39. Count the number of attacks you can perform before dashing. You will feel the difference

[dire holly]

Even at 150%, BaMs will not do more dps compared to fb

[smoky fjord]

I hope Koreans are doing their part since the shield change on their server

[dire holly]

The point is to level it to x lvl before it outscales fb

You also have to consider the support aspect of v1

[dawn python]

You can usually get it to lvl3 very quickly by using slot enhancement and lvl up 1 time. So goal is for lv3 v1 to be equal to fb in dps output when considering the combined aura extra hit and faster animation.

[dire holly]

Granted our auras still need a lot of work, it has a multipurpose function that other v skills that replace a main attack simply don’t have

[dawn python]

Yep v1 can be so good.

[dire holly]

I’m sorry, but that’s too little

You can easily put 5 levels in with node enhancements

It’s not hard to get to lvl 10 or even 15

[dawn python]

Ok then lv5 is the goal for balancing its dps vs fb

[dire holly]

Not even then

Like I said

Lvl 10-15 v1 is around the range when it outperforms fb

Again, consider the utility and the scaling

[dawn python]

Ok let’s just go with your proposal. 150% starting value with 2% per lvl up. That’s still better than current right?

[dire holly]

You’re simply asking for too much without putting in any investments into the skill itself

Of course it’s better than the current lol

The current is 120% lvl 1, 3% per level

[smoky fjord]

What's max value

[dawn python]

Yea that’s a tough starting pt.

[dire holly]

210% max value

[smoky fjord]

Sheesh that's low

[dire holly]

Yea that’s why not a lot of BaMs use it for dps

[dawn python]

We need it to be 25hits. Lol.

[dire holly]

Maybe in farming in some maps

[dawn python]

I use it to manual tangyoon

[dire holly]

I’ve advocated for 21 lines on v1 already

25 looks like too much on paper

[dawn python]

Yet we are not even 35% of top tier mage dps.

So even triple will only get us to top tier.

[smoky fjord]

Before you told me I thought it was scythe on top of FB. Being its own attack is definitely a draw back

[dire holly]

There are other ways for us to be “top tier”

Keep in mind that we are also a support class

Yea, having 410% sd with v1+fb stack would be too overpowered

[dawn python]

With shield trashed. We can only hope draining aura and other aura improvements. I’m with you 100% on the drain aura changes.

[dire holly]

We need lots of changes

But like I said before

We are in good hands

[dawn python]

What does that mean exactly? Any peek into the kimono? What gives you the confidence?

Any hint on coming buffs?

[dire holly]

It means I have it under control

[smoky fjord]

I hope the Koreans on kmsm are doing their part. It starts with them.

[dire holly]

From what I can tell, shield doesn’t do much in runs like Lotus or Damien

[dire holly]

But I frankly cannot tell what’s going on from the videos I’ve watched with the new shield

[unborn vale]

I definitely do more dps now with aura scythe on

Lvl15 v1

[dire holly]

What lvl is it?

[smoky fjord]

Nice

[dire holly]

Max cap?

[unborn vale]

Extra hit has made it more obvious

[unborn vale]

Only 12.3m

Thats next on my list

[dire holly]

You’re about to do more than me

[unborn vale]

[dire holly]

And I’m at 14.781m mdc

[unborn vale]

Oh nice

I need to try the dungeon with full buffs after next cra run

[dire holly]

My best before update

[dawn python]

How does everyone feel to increase the uptime of our 150 to 100% vs 66% currently?

[smoky fjord]

Nice

[dawn python]

That will improve our dps but also help mobbing a lot.

[dire holly]

Nope

[unborn vale]

Nice!

[dire holly]

I like the thing we have now, matching v1 with 150 hyper timing

[smoky fjord]

I have no issue with the 150 the way it is

[unborn vale]

I have a way to go to catch you @dire holly

[smoky fjord]

They need to lower the animation of reaper that's all

[dire holly]

You’re getting real close though

[dawn python]

Please explain why matching timing of 150 and v1? I just have it on buff pet. Are you manual triggering 150?

[unborn vale]

Rise up BaM

[dire holly]

Lowering the soul count of reaper might be a good idea

Outside of 150 hyper that is

[smoky fjord]

Yes outside

[dire holly]

Both skills, when maxed, have a duration of 2 minutes, so you can match the timing to do the best dps in bossing

[dawn python]

So you don’t have 150 on buff pet?

[dire holly]

I have it on pets

V1 I manual when it’s off cd

[dawn python]

So you watch to see when 150 is up and then manual trigger v1 I see.

[dire holly]

Nope

So here’s what I do

[dawn python]

But if 150 is up 100% there is no downside. It’s just a toggle.

[dire holly]

I always use a mount before starting a boss

[smoky fjord]

150 gives a hit count to

[dire holly]

So when the boss is about to get summoned in, I hop off the mount and use v1, condemnation, v2, etc

[smoky fjord]

I think it's too powerful if it's a toggle

[dire holly]

So the timing is more or less in line

[dire holly]

My exact thoughts years ago

Maybe not on the toggle part, but it being 100% uptime

[dawn python]

Oh so when on Mount buffs stop counting down? Never knew. Thought ppl just want to show off mounts in waiting room. Haha

[smoky fjord]

Do you keep the extra hit count?

[dire holly]

Mount stops all your buffs from being auto-used

So when it goes on cooldown it doesn’t start up again

[dawn python]

I see. Thanks. Pro tip.

[smoky fjord]

I did not know this

🤣🤣

[dire holly]

Yes

Do this for ghb, gd and what not

[dawn python]

What extra hit count is this?

[dire holly]

Mount up, wait for your skills to expire and go off cooldown, then go run something

[dawn python]

I just thought 150 has super fast condemnation trigger.

[smoky fjord]

The 150 hyper gives an extra hit count

[dawn python]

It’s like synchronizing watch before a raid.

[dawn python]

Even more reason I want 100% uptime haha. Well blue blood is 100% uptime. That’s bigger dps boost than ours even at 100% uptime.

[dire holly]

It does. It decreases the soul count requirement to 1

[smoky fjord]

2 effects

3 effects

[dawn python]

Very nice buff.

[smoky fjord]

Well 4 effects plus the passive

[dawn python]

A lot of our skills have this 3min cd 2min effect timing.

[smoky fjord]

The cool down is typical of any other class isn't it

[dire holly]

It is

[smoky fjord]

180 sec

[dawn python]

Maybe our party shield can work like a true sanctuary. 3min cd 1min uptime where you are fully protected but you also lose 50% dps while doing dmg. So we just turtle into the shield during 60s downtime and come out bursting for the other 2mins. Haha

[smoky fjord]

120 duration

[dire holly]

Ok

More sancro talk

[smoky fjord]

Lol

[dawn python]

Just want to rest my fingers 😉

[dire holly]

Why in the world would I try to lose dps man

[dawn python]

You don’t need to use it. Or you can get out of the shield range to do dmg.

[dire holly]

Your wacky suggestions are getting even wackier

[dawn python]

Like ihko coming, quick dash into the party shield. Then come out and do dmg. You can’t do dmg while under the shield will be the trade off.

Like creating a small plot of safe space in bossing content.

[dire holly]

What if the boss is right on top of shield?

[smoky fjord]

Too lazy to do that

[dire holly]

I’m losing 50% dps a cording to your suggestion

[dawn python]

Lose 100%

[dire holly]

And other players are doing 100%?

Bro

[smoky fjord]

I don't like the idea of losing dps for that

[dire holly]

I might just leave this thread entirely now lol

[dawn python]

100% for everyone under the shield. But if you are outside normal dps and no protection.

Just a random thought.

[dire holly]

Too random

[dawn python]

100% loss of dps under the shield.

[dire holly]

I like the out of the box thinking, but it’s not reasonable at all

[smoky fjord]

When is the next update April?

[dire holly]

What if I place it directly in the middle of a map and no one knows about it?

[smoky fjord]

That's for the new character right

[dawn python]

Would make us very unique. But anyway yea probably a bridge too far.

[dawn python]

I always teleport up to show where and when I’m placing a shield.

[dire holly]

That’s asking for players to ask to delete BaMs because they were standing under shield the whole time

The dps loss idea is dumb

No other support class offers a dps loss in exchange for immunity

[dawn python]

Gotta have a big trade off for total protection.

[smoky fjord]

Bams already suffer from dps problems so that's a bad idea

[dire holly]

At this point the new shield is better than this wacky suggestion

[dawn python]

But this protection is a user choice. You can choose to leave party shield during its uptime to do what you want to do. So it’s not a forced choice.

[smoky fjord]

At least they are better now I actually like the offensive buff

[dire holly]

The problem you’re not seeing is that

The boss can walk in the direction of the shield

What will happen then?

Everyone just has to sit around and wait?

[dawn python]

Most classes have some rang on their attacks. So even if boss is on top of the shield you can still do dmg if you are not under the shield.

[sharp sable]

Bro arionthe doesn't even know his own class

[dire holly]

I’ve lost hope for BaMs

[smoky fjord]

Let's talk about the duration issue. I believe you want 50% uptime right? @dire holly

[sharp sable]

Can we ban him from this channel

[smoky fjord]

I prefer the 60 min duration 120 cool down rather than 45/90

The extra 20 seconds.is huge

15

[dawn python]

Let’s drop the shield effect. Seems like I’m alone in this. But for party shield duration I think the 3 charges system will meet all our needs.

[smoky fjord]

Well the conversation is good. I like it 🤣🤣

[dire holly]

45 second duration, 5 second cooldown (for repositioning purposes as other classes have gotten the same treatment this update; mech hex for example), 15% damage reduction

[dawn python]

That’s 100% uptime. I mean if you can get it passed then all glory to you. That will be the optimal.

[dire holly]

I’ll show pictures of their changes later so you guys don’t think I’m out of my mind with a 100% uptime shield in its current iteration

[smoky fjord]

15% without hypers?

[dire holly]

This is all without hypers

[smoky fjord]

At 25% reduction with hyper?

[dire holly]

This is if we keep the current damage mitigation values

[smoky fjord]

As now

[dire holly]

Yes

[smoky fjord]

Ok I like that idea

I have nothing else to add

[dawn python]

Yea I will go with this if we can get it. Would be useful. Interestingly we will save at least two hyper pts for dps

[smoky fjord]

I would prefer hp scale instead of all damage but I can compromise

[dawn python]

So 15% helps with hp scale attack or no?

[smoky fjord]

Ok we agree with shield

Doesn't help with dbuff attack the one that bleeds

[dawn python]

I’m not sure what it blocks anymore atm. Since hhilla it no longer work as before b

[smoky fjord]

So we won't see 1's in magnus

[dawn python]

So new shield we lose bleed mitigation.

Damn.

Nmag is my next target to conquer. That’s bad news for me then.

[smoky fjord]

Ok so we agree with shield... Nothing more to say

[dawn python]

My mortal enemy llama seems to agree on dark shock node values.

[dire holly]

Here are some photos of other classes receiving the 100% uptime treatment because of the repositioning change

[dawn python]

Let’s talk about that haha. Must have some merit if he agrees with me on something.

[dire holly]

I don’t think he agreed with you, but simply forgot that dark shock is not a 4th job skill

[smoky fjord]

Dark shock isn't convenient for players lower than 200

It's very annoying the way it is

Should be a toggle skill

[dawn python]

Dark shock is a 3rd job skill. Other classes 3rd job skill has node boost at 3% per lvl. While we have it at 2% as if it’s a 4th job skill

[dire holly]

Also, mechanic’s Hex ability is very strong now with being able to reposition it. It heals 5k per tick (heals way more than battle mage’s draining aura) and provides final damage buff to though nearby

[smoky fjord]

That auto brands enemy. At at lvl 200 remove it from alter

[rancid estuary]

omg the CD decrease

did they mean to put BaM shield CD to 5 sec too

[rancid estuary]

ayo i’m coming for u

[smoky fjord]

Get rid of it...since the only use for it is to brand an enemy

[dawn python]

It’s 130% skill dmg at 2 lines.

[smoky fjord]

It doesn't do damage

It used to but not now

[dire holly]

Also, since you’re asking for a fd increase to dark shock, why not ask for battle burst too since it’s also 2%

[dawn python]

It’s roughly the same as dark lighting extra dmg from dark genesis.

[dire holly]

@smoky fjord @dawn python Did you see this?

[dawn python]

Same. I want to 3% too but I’m already capping lol. I have lvl60 boost on battle burst. The reason I play bam.

[smoky fjord]

Yes I saw. I like the repositioning idea. That's 100% uptime

[dawn python]

@dire holly can you confirm for us if dark shock still do dmg or not. Tryleft thinks it doesn’t anymore.

[dire holly]

It does 0 damage

Of course it does do damage lol

[smoky fjord]

It only brands

[dire holly]

Yea the brand does

The actual teleport does not as that was removed a while ago

[dawn python]

It basically works like the dark lighting dmg eight? Extra 2 lines per attack on branded mob

[smoky fjord]

So I propose making dark shock a skill that auto brands . like weakening aura range. Remove it from V2 alter

[dawn python]

So turn it into a perm aura more or less? I like that. At least that will be useful in ab

[smoky fjord]

Yeah

If the party can benefit that's an added bonus

[dire holly]

Once again, I have lost all hope for BaMs

[rancid estuary]

[smoky fjord]

Too powerful?

[dire holly]

It’s worse LOL

you’re asking us to go back to teleporting to apply dark brand

I’d rather be lazy and rely on v2 to apply it all

[smoky fjord]

Nooo

Not teleport

[rancid estuary]

he’s saying it to work like weakening aura so it auto brands nearby monsters

[dawn python]

His suggestion to make it auto. Not even v2 needed.

[smoky fjord]

Make it work like weakening aura

[dire holly]

Dark shock is a buff that effects teleport, therefore, the use of teleport will apply the branding

Terrible idea

[smoky fjord]

I want the brand to be applied like weakening aura

[rancid estuary]

i’ve never had a problem branding the enemies

[dire holly]

Might as well give weakening aura the ability to trigger condemnation on debuffed enemies

[dawn python]

Even when farming? Ab?

[rancid estuary]

don’t rlly need it or notice it ..

[dire holly]

Same

[rancid estuary]

one shotting the mobs makes branding unnecessary

[dire holly]

Branding is really only for bossing

For which v2 does that already

[smoky fjord]

I hate playing bam.prior lvl 200

[dire holly]

Teleport is purely for dodging now

[rancid estuary]

yea