Luminous

[solar rover]

44 is free though, just upjump tornados and stun or freud’s when you’re charging light for equilibrium

[pulsar ivy]

There's one closing in on 40M in EU

[latent ravine]

Thank you I didn’t know how to dodge tornados

[thick tiger]

Similar to lumi. The morning star skill u gotta be kinda close so all the ticks hit

[main bough]

Someone selling lv 40 shining rod mythic? A2scania

[quartz flume]

looks like our v4 looks great

[hazy frost]

Yes !!

I found this from a KMSM

lvl 1 vs lvl 30

Translated from korean to english

[quartz flume]

i know the skill got decent passive damages. Skill is OP when in equilibrim mode

[thick tiger]

Omg means we do more damage at all times when using reflection apoc and morning star/glory

[lost sundial]

https://youtu.be/GrwVegPIbQs?t=503

v4 showcase by @neat bay

[grave yew]

Please tell me you meant ender extra target

[gentle pendant]

So our V3 CD might be reduced to 30 sec, but with less hit count in future ?

[quartz flume]

Not sure will it be reduce that much. Looking forward to v4 tomorrow, think it will be useful while AB'ing due to its passive.
For bossing wise while on Equilibrium it will deal more dmg. That's what I think, and problem it's 2min CD is quite troublesome

[hazy frost]

we are expecting buff/nerf ??
tbh im abit nervous with the fact that they placed lumi , 2 times on the up coming update

[quartz flume]

Really got no idea, Lumi has gone through more nerfs than buffs imo

Need to wait for patch notes in hours to come to find out🙏🙏🙏

[graceful kiln]

Well sia for sure isn't nerfed as they like sia, and kanna can't be nerfed because it's too weak let's hope we get buffed even further. I think v3 had its dmg and line count increase on kmsm. Not sure we can learn much from that as it's all very different in there

[quartz flume]

The future ahead is more line count, and reduce abit of the dmg % in a way.
Lets see when it comes

[graceful kiln]

We cap easily so it could be a good deal let's hope for the best

[quartz flume]

seems like a huge change

[latent ravine]

Does this means no more cd reduction per ender cast on v3?

[quartz flume]

i think skill reduction still reduce the per cast, just that to Equilibrium CD increase.

actually our v3 got slightly stronger, chance to double cast under Equilibrium (?)

[gentle pendant]

I don’t like the fact they reduced V2 duration and hit count

[pseudo viper]

We got nerfed pretty bad

[quartz flume]

Our V3 and V1 seems buff, but V2 abit of nerf

[pseudo viper]

V3 is a nerf

[gentle pendant]

Yea V1 is pretty useless in bossing

[pseudo viper]

After continous use of ender, v3 cd is really like 30s alrdy

The % increase in v3 is useless since its easy to cap v skills

[quartz flume]

v1 CD is also quite long, dont understand if they could just reduce the CD

[pseudo viper]

Duration of v2 from 10 s to 6s is bad

[hazy frost]

Not looking good

[quartz flume]

why reduce the duration of v skills lol

asking us to cast reflection and dark skills to recharge

[hazy frost]

exactly

[quartz flume]

dont know how will this helps

really need to test if the casting reduction helps then will know

[hazy frost]

well , 25% less time to cast ender might balance it ?

[quartz flume]

because now with v4 coming in, thinking the adjustments of CD is to make us cast all skills readily

assuming its at max 2mins CD

[solar rover]

means you stay in equlibrium longer and downtime reduced

[pseudo viper]

Here’s my line test before the update

[quartz flume]

thanks. After update can post it after

[sullen falcon]

in a vacuum seems like a major nerf

[pseudo viper]

Yea, gonna do several test

[sullen falcon]

[pseudo viper]

Will have to test in action after update to see how much of a nerf we got

[quartz flume]

the v4 not to mention got passive skills

so best just eqiup at lv1 for better outcome of testing

[pseudo viper]

At least we got this. I asked for this in qol😅

[sullen falcon]

errr so how the skill wheel works now with v4....

[quartz flume]

this might cover some missing damages

[sullen falcon]

thats downtime dps....

[hazy frost]

good for farming

[pseudo viper]

Gonna experiment after update

[sullen falcon]

they chopped off our equilibrium dps and increased our down time dps by a bit

[quartz flume]

for our charging just small boost but take as a boost. I think the main purpose is us charging to full faster

[pseudo viper]

In kmsm, equilibrium time is 25s, i wonder if it’ll be 20s still for us

[sullen falcon]

As for Morning Star, does it affect bosses?

[gentle pendant]

For V3, line count decreased by 30%, CD also reduced by 30%

[quartz flume]

enders Reduced Skill Delay by 25% to help reduce V3 CD, not sure will it help in casting twice

[sullen falcon]

probably still 20s

[pseudo viper]

We alrdy cast v3 twice pretty easy

[quartz flume]

as in during equilibrium

[pseudo viper]

Ah

[quartz flume]

i know we cast twice before entering

[sullen falcon]

I usually cast v3 first then another time right after equili ends

[pseudo viper]

Thats gonna be revealed later with testing

[quartz flume]

is more like when in equili

[quartz flume]

looking forward to it

[pseudo viper]

I mean during equilibrium, i take off like 13s cd from v3

[quartz flume]

not bad, means after update might be able to cast twice before it wears off

[pseudo viper]

Maybe with 25% increase speed, around 20s you can chop off?

[quartz flume]

i think

[sullen falcon]

is it really 25%?

[quartz flume]

see how tmr.

[sullen falcon]

it says skill delay

probably start up delay only?

[pseudo viper]

It takes 11 seconds to recharge to equi via light skills and 6-8 seconds via dark

[solar rover]

reduction

[hazy frost]

delay = time befor casting

[gentle pendant]

Casting extra V3 just enough to cover the reduced line count of V3

[solar rover]

means the delay after attacking reduced

[quartz flume]

see how tmr i guess.

[gentle pendant]

I think overall it’s a boost for V3 with reduced CD and reduced skill delay of Ender

[pseudo viper]

Nexon wording always kinda off😅

[gentle pendant]

The rest of the changes sounds like a nerf

[quartz flume]

welcome to nexon

[sullen falcon]

Sigh, see first lor

[quartz flume]

i see most mages class is nerfed feels

[pseudo viper]

We can only make assumptions until after update

[sullen falcon]

Gate of light like... eh sure

massive buff but like

[pseudo viper]

Gol is useless lol

[quartz flume]

GoL the CD is the same, dont think it does any help lol

[sullen falcon]

yeah thats why

[quartz flume]

dont understand the logic, out of all Vskills, GOL CD no change lol

but maybe its not even mean for bossing lol

[sullen falcon]

equalise dun really care because I charge fast enough alr. I just use it when equilibrium is needed for final burst of dmg or dodge regular attacks

Aether Conduit is the one really shafted sia but see if other skills compensate...

[latent ravine]

Don’t forget the extra passive from ethereal form

[quartz flume]

i feel is if the recharging is compensated from reflection and Apocalypse/Morning star, think its ok

[pseudo viper]

All I can say is that eventually we'll receive another buff since kmsm has 25s equil

[quartz flume]

just see @pseudo viper test outcome

[quartz flume]

yea eventually will follow suit to match KMSM

[pseudo viper]

Yea, gonna do like 10+ test to get an accurate result after update

[sullen falcon]

no space for ethreal form. What is the passive again?

[quartz flume]

though Equalize is 630s, from 515s, which is 115s, about 1min40s ish

[pseudo viper]

I dont really use ethreal form, lumi already good in terms of survival

[quartz flume]

so that difference we need to hit fast

[pseudo viper]

Just a note, dont do ghb until after v4 update. If your opponent did it now then gg for them lol

[sullen falcon]

I mean, sometimes I dun wanna waste a stun because it is our only source of Iframe

[gentle pendant]

It’s 60 sec to 90 sec

[quartz flume]

sorry typo from my end, yes this CD is long. But hope is the recharging will be compensated in a way

[sullen falcon]

recharging dps confirm will improve

since we got v4 plus buffs to light and dark skills

but burst dps probably not so significant as b4

[pseudo viper]

I dont really use equalize as a note. I only use it towards the last few seconds for harder bosses

[sullen falcon]

same, I either use it as last burst, or to save myself from regular attacks that can kill me

[gentle pendant]

That’s only applies every 5 sec and I think it’s less than 10 line counts , so the effect in bossing is minimal

[pseudo viper]

the recharge time to get to equilibirum matches with ds4 activation

so best to not use equalize

[quartz flume]

think we got a new meta lumi based after tmr patch

[gentle pendant]

Agree

[solar rover]

Huh

[quartz flume]

think Equalize cant anyhow cast in a way i guess.

see how tmr guys

[sullen falcon]

It is not meant to be anyhow cast

[quartz flume]

might be better abit who knows

[gentle pendant]

The increased equalize duration won’t have huge impact

[sullen falcon]

For morning star, it says it stops the target.

[gentle pendant]

This

[sullen falcon]

Does it stop the stupid Lucid from flying around like a cockroach?

[solar rover]

I swap nodes so….

[gentle pendant]

The ball stops when it hits target

The boss won’t stop lol

[sullen falcon]

oh. stupid translations.

then yeah now it makes sense

[pseudo viper]

just wondering in immortal dungeon, if it will continue moving if the clock moves

[quartz flume]

just stand to the right side and cast XD

[sullen falcon]

Don't you just try to pin Papulatus in the corner?

[quartz flume]

so its stationary isnt

just those bosses move around might be hard lol

[pseudo viper]

Yea i do this, but the 2nd morning star activation

I attack and turn right for him to move through my 2nd morning star as i trap him in the right

[gentle pendant]

Yea losing abit hit count from 2nd morning star, I did the same

Will try out without V4 after patch in forest

[gentle pendant]

Let’s see if we could get >1900 lines in 3 min

[pseudo viper]

This is how i do my immortal dungeon

[solar rover]

Aren’t u missing it on V3 lines and extra equilibrium state by doing this

[quartz flume]

actually, our v2 is a boost

[pseudo viper]

how

[solar rover]

V2 is a nerf

[quartz flume]

see the duration. If max lv30, is additional 6s. Based on old is 10s, so max is 12secs

[pseudo viper]

level 1 its duration is 3seconds

[quartz flume]

hmm

idk, my guild says differently on this

[pseudo viper]

Unless the wording again lol

[quartz flume]

tmr u test and let us know

[sullen falcon]

yea

[quartz flume]

exactly

[sullen falcon]

it is either a massive nerf

or a sidegrade buff

[quartz flume]

hate the description

[pseudo viper]

This is what excites me tho

[sullen falcon]

so it could be 12 seconds but less lines per second

or 6 seconds and completely useless

[quartz flume]

haiz the description sometimes playing our mind

[sullen falcon]

I seriously hope its the former

though I will feel a little bad for those starting out

[west vault]

Lumi changes seems like a nerf to me

[sullen falcon]

have to check after update.

One thing we know is that downtime dps is buffed

but we dunno if the v skill changes is a massive nerf or adjusted

[pseudo viper]

Gonna be a long wait lol. After update, Hopping straight to fog forest lol

[sullen falcon]

So for Ethreal Form, which to replace then?

[gentle pendant]

I don’t think so, it already shows you before and after. Before was 10 sec, and after is 6 sec

[sullen falcon]

so v2 is butchered. Great.....

[quartz flume]

i think its not though. Based from ingame, there isnt additional effects to our V2

[faint agate]

Actually ended got a huge buff

[quartz flume]

this is our current description to V2.

[gentle pendant]

That would be great !!

[quartz flume]

with this, seems its additional?

[gentle pendant]

So it’s a buff for V2 if that were true

I can’t remember the V2 duration for level 1

[quartz flume]

our v2 got lesser lines, but at max lv30 is another

[quartz flume]

its 10s i think

[faint agate]

Well actually doesn’t seem a nerf at all

[quartz flume]

since no changes per upgrading our v2

its a new added effect

[faint agate]

V3 is basically given another cast

[gentle pendant]

My main concern was the V2 nerf, but if it’s 12 sec then I’m happy

[quartz flume]

v3 seems we can cast more than usual

[gentle pendant]

But understandably they reduced the V3 hit count by 30%

[quartz flume]

see tmr. We might actually like it tmr

[gentle pendant]

26 to 18

[quartz flume]

yes, they didnt remove the reduction per ender cast

[gentle pendant]

So hopefully the extra casting can make up the reduced hit count

[faint agate]

Yes but if cd 30sec can 2 cast in same equilibrium

[quartz flume]

so in a way, we can cast twice in equilibrium

thats my thought process

[faint agate]

Ender hits quicker

[quartz flume]

maybe they reduce it but can cast twice

se how tmr

[gentle pendant]

3 casts of new V3 = 54 hit count
2 casts of old V3 = 52 hit counts

[faint agate]

Yes so improvement overall

V1 also improve

V2 if 12 sec then also improve

[gentle pendant]

It should be improvement for every jobs

[faint agate]

Ender improve, and apocalypse and reflection also increase

[gentle pendant]

To prep for bossing like Will

[faint agate]

I believe overall even without v4, the existing meta improves

[pseudo viper]

If it's an improvement, then I better do 19.1k+ lines in fog forest for 3 mins without v4 skill

I did exactly 19,081 before the update

[faint agate]

Yo you my YouTube idol hahahaha

[gentle pendant]

Yea, need to bother your to try out for us haha

[pseudo viper]

lol

[gentle pendant]

Thanks in advance

[pseudo viper]

No probs. I like to experiment in games

[quartz flume]

see how tmr

thanks @pseudo viper

[hazy frost]

scale with levels ?

maybe its higher duration now

i think v2 has flat duration and not it will scale

someone can check ?

[quartz flume]

yes it scales now

our current is 10s default, no effects added

our v1 and v3 has it.

v2 is nothing

[quartz flume]

current description of v2

[quartz flume]

highlighted area not inside our v2

so at max lv30 its better.

[hazy frost]

+2 sec

[quartz flume]

i got confirmation from my guildmate also, not really a bad thing since longer by 2s

so we see how tmr

[hazy frost]

6>15% def ignore is nice

not so bad after all

[quartz flume]

we sure do better alot than now

the def ignore is probably in prep for new boss entry

[hazy frost]

yea ,im surprised they didnt implanted new boss at this patch

this patch is so good for EU btw

more damian teams

[quartz flume]

i think it will come in 1-2mths

[gentle pendant]

Yea but that also applies to every other classes

[quartz flume]

means bossing on current will be way easier

[gentle pendant]

5min hard Damien run

[hazy frost]

also morning star

will prevent boss from moving

so basicly it insure more hits

0.6 sec per hit > 0.5 sec pet hit

40% dmg in dark more will applied to morning star ?

mhh

[gentle pendant]

I think what it meant is morning star will stop moving when it touches boss

It’s a weird wording

[hazy frost]

LOL

[gentle pendant]

Otherwise morning start would act like stun

Which is too overpowered

[hazy frost]

i think it will

"they will stop moving unless they're defeated"

sound like it appllied to the mobs > not the skill itself

[gentle pendant]

Oh yea maybe

Will find out

[hazy frost]

enemies means boss?

thats the tricky part

[gentle pendant]

Haha yea you are right

[hazy frost]

yep

also new presents skills

you know what

im actually excited to see how this changes will played out

[gentle pendant]

They did increase V3 skill damage, that would help in mulung and SC

[craggy rover]

it's saying that the duration for our V2 varies according to the level of our V2's skill level. So does that mean our V2's duration at max level is 12 seconds or only 6 seconds?

[sullen falcon]

better be 12 seconds

or else i riot

[quartz flume]

the additional effect is new to V2. So its based 6s and incremental each 5 lvls

if u notice our v2 skill doesnt have any additional skill effect

[hazy frost]

👆🏼

lvl 30 was only dmg boost

now it has Duration increased as well

[gentle night]

Wtf why did we get nerfed

Is v2 6 or 12 seconds total?

[craggy rover]

I'm reading the dev comment again and it mentioned that Aether Conduit was "overly efficient". So I'm afraid it's 6 seconds at max level, but based on the wording "additional effect every 5 lvs" it should be 12 seconds. guess we'll find out after patch

[faint agate]

Should be 12ish

[hazy frost]

if thats true , basicly v2 . at lvl 1 , will be 3 sec duration ?

[craggy rover]

^ yeah, that would be a big ripp

[hazy frost]

disgusting

[hazy frost]

any information about v2 cooldown ?

[craggy rover]

I'm assuming the V2 cooldown is still 30 seconds, as there was no mention on cooldown changes for our V2

[hazy frost]

Alright, im optimistic

crossed fingers 🤣

[quartz flume]

see how tmr again.

[gentle pendant]

It would be 6sec + 3 sec I believe

[quartz flume]

so hard to understand sometimes

[gentle pendant]

But again the wording is confusing

[quartz flume]

i see it as v2 doesnt have the additional effect (every 5 lvl adds duration), based starts from 6s.
So tmr is the verdict

[cloud birch]

so v2 should be 30s cd 12s duration at lv30

am i reading it right?

[quartz flume]

thats if the description is correct and my understanding

see how after patch

[cloud birch]

so they increasing or reducing???

[gentle night]

Smh reduced lines and duration 😩

[cloud birch]

duration should be increased now 6+6 instead of 10

[hazy frost]

option 1- , lvl 1 3 sec - lvl 30 6 sec . option 2- lvl 1 6 sec lvl 30 12 sec

who knows

[cloud birch]

if its option 1....... 3 secs whats the point of the skill then LOL

[hazy frost]

I agree

we will have to check it tomorrow

check this out

befor or after v4

haha , tricky wording

[cloud birch]

the morning star change is even more confusing

[quartz flume]

sometimes the person who is doing the patch notes, dont know the way of description just confusing

dont know before posting was it even verified lol

[sullen falcon]

Nexon middle finger to us

[quartz flume]

the more i read, i feel it might worse case is max is 6s

[gentle pendant]

Why “however” was used at the last sentence

[quartz flume]

"as well as making small adjustments to the overly efficient Aether Conduit"
this part makes me wonder alot

[quartz flume]

in a way to tell us other areas got improvements to cover the ones that is nerfed

[solar rover]

Its 12s, kmsm had the same change

[hazy frost]

good news . ty

[sullen falcon]

can they also bring the equilibrium duration buff to our side too?

[faint agate]

How come 14 times use v3?

[gentle pendant]

this is NL

their duration at level 30 is 5 sec

so its very likely our V2 will be 6 sec, will find out in a few hours

[faint agate]

Max 6 sec?

Or max 12

[graceful kiln]

Looks like max 6sec to me

[faint agate]

Actually seems 12 sec

But we will find out

[graceful kiln]

Then the base duration is 6+3? Weird way to put this

I hope it's 12 ofc

[gentle pendant]

I hope it’s 12, but sounds like a 6 to me.

For NL shurikane, currently level 1 is around 5 sec, then increase to 8 sec when maxed at level 30

The wording they use is similar to our new V2 wording

[graceful kiln]

Here it says "duration increase", ours say "duration"

[gentle pendant]

If you noticed, the stat they state on the chart at before and after are the maxed level stat

[faint agate]

Can explain?

[gentle pendant]

for eg, look at our V3 duration, before was 45, after was 30sec

this is the stat at level 30

same for additional def ignore rate applied

so it only makes sense for the 6 sec of V2 to be the duration at level 30

[faint agate]

Oh

But someone said here kmsm 12 sec

Nvm

Just wait for tmr

[hazy frost]

can you send the source/SS ?

I saw video from ksms looks like v2 is 6sec..

over 1 minute

6 times v3

2 times v2

[gentle pendant]

kmsm is 6 sec

[faint agate]

Lol

Lumi doomed then hahahaha

[west vault]

Likely is 6secs, they already mentioned v2 is overly efficient and needs a nerf, if 12secs, it is actually a buff instead as lines increases overall

[gentle pendant]

you can just go to YT and watch one of the lumi fro KMSM gameplay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLWl_WpCD1w&t=84s

[hazy frost]

Yep

saw this

https://youtu.be/mzL2qXzaxCU?si=SPrHPYAW-4Oxc8b2&t=466

and this

https://youtu.be/DLWl_WpCD1w?si=GTJDIJ_UrPoIZgKT&t=172

second video the v2 is more visual

similar combo

[gentle pendant]

so decreased hit counts and 40% reduction in duration for V2, thats a big nerf, hoping the other buffs is sufficient to over this nerf

[hazy frost]

Ender spam with v3 cd reduction is our hope

[gentle pendant]

yeap i wished they didnt decrease V3 hit count, 26 to 18 is a big decrease too

[hazy frost]

check the dmg analysis at the end of the fog forest

his v2 deals more dmg than v4 + v3

[faint agate]

Just saw that

[hazy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-trailer-park-boys-mike-smith-what-gif-5296412

[gentle pendant]

yes their V2 and V3 hit counts are different from ours

[faint agate]

But I don’t understand how 30sec on v3 makes u hit overall more.
If u take into account the rotation between equi and light/dark, u won’t have time for 3rd cast

Let’s say u can use 2 times v3 in 20 sec equilibrium

U finish equilibrium with 30 sec cooldown

Of v3

So no time when in light/dark to cast another one

[gentle pendant]

yeap so gotta try out after patch

then we will now if its a nerf or buff overall

[hazy frost]

ye

this kmsm its not good example

his equlibrium is 25 sec

lets just hope

[gentle pendant]

maybe they thought our V2 is too broken

[orchid wave]

Pre v4 : 19,498 in 3 mins

[gentle pendant]

You are the legend who did >19k lines in 3 min

[quartz flume]

Game is up, looking forward to post patch outcome

[pseudo viper]

Can confirm not a nerf. Did more lines with slight mess up

19.2k lines with me messing up

no v4 used

Gonna test and see if I can maximize lines

[cloud birch]

is v2 legit only 6 secs now?

[gentle night]

Presets?

[lost sundial]

v2 max lvl is it 6s then?

[quartz flume]

My lv10 aether is 4s duration. Cant see the max lvl yet

[lost sundial]

same ^

[quartz flume]

And my movement pad missing, can't move

[gentle pendant]

6 sec at level 30

[lost sundial]

but by patch notes.. so im at lvl10 it is missing another 20 levels to max.. soo
it will be 6s total..
lvl1 - 3s
lvl 5 -3.5
lvl 10 -4 (Im here)
lvl15 -4.5
lvl20 -5
lvl25 -5.5
lvl 30 - 6 sec

[cloud birch]

i knew that 6+6 secs wasn't going to true

RIP

[quartz flume]

Oh well it's a nerf for v2 then

[lost sundial]

but may be overall improve with v4 and decreased delays on other skills

[cloud birch]

its an overall buff but v2 is now so useless at low levels

[lost sundial]

is the new shared skill worth? goddess blesing?

[cloud birch]

what is 3 secs gonna do

[gentle pendant]

the ender casting speed feels so fast

[quartz flume]

Means it helps our v3 to be double cast in equilibrium

[gentle pendant]

to compensate the line count lost

[cloud birch]

v3 is very spamable now with the lower cd

[quartz flume]

Nice 👍🏻

Can ignore v2 in a way

[cloud birch]

v2 is so sad now

[latent ravine]

For those that don’t have v2 maxed, does v4 take priority over v2?

[lost sundial]

I would say so, but I will let pros to reply that

[latent ravine]

That’s the most important for me

A pleb that didn’t max v2

[orchid wave]

Decide for yourself if it’s worth, but I’ll say why not

[cloud birch]

so at lv30 v4 has 6 more uses

[gentle pendant]

yes 1400 line counts per use

[lost sundial]

is it worth having v4 at pets auto buff? or better to manually use it?

[gentle pendant]

for bossing definitely manual

[lost sundial]

which AF map is better for 200-224?

[latent ravine]

Thank you my good sir

[graceful kiln]

Should be af170

[lost sundial]

With the new lvl requirements you can now enter the next island , Inwas at Af170

[gentle pendant]

Our 1 min burst seems to be lower than pre patch

Excluding V4

[hazy frost]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-little-girl-drinking-too-cool-chilling-yeah-whatever-gif-27534207

[graceful kiln]

You mean that maps that are 220? Previously it wasn't popular and people stayed at af170 between 230-234. I'm not sure if there's anything change to it, but if not then those weren't very good

[faint agate]

Anyone has more checks for us?

Cuz v3 v2 confirm nerf

The 30 sec vs 45 sec makes no difference

But we go into equilibrium wayyy faster

[quartz flume]

Hmm waiting @pseudo viper for it's testing.

[gentle pendant]

Yea the 30sec V3 doesn’t line up with our equilibrium timing

I think we would see the difference if was 20 sec CD

[faint agate]

Exactly

We should tell nexon hahaha

Also v4 weak af

[gentle pendant]

Let us know if someone figure out an optimal skill rotation to optimize dps for 1 min

Currently the use count of V3 in 1 min span is the same as pre patch, so that’s a nerf for V3 given lower hit count

[thick tiger]

i got like 21kish with a lvl 17 v4 and all other maxed

[quartz flume]

Seems a buff since we recharge faster from the stats above?

[gentle pendant]

21k+ minus 2.5k from V4 = around 19k

[gentle pendant]

This was pre V4

[thick tiger]

i can actually get two rounds of ender in one equilibrium cycle

[faint agate]

You mean two rounds of v3?

[gentle pendant]

But as you can see, that only translate to 1 additional V4 in 3 mins span. 15 vs 14

[thick tiger]

yea v3

sorry

[sullen falcon]

Hmm

[faint agate]

Ender overall lines didn’t change

That’s really weird

[sullen falcon]

We lose 2 lines per cast

[faint agate]

That it’s still 19k

[thick tiger]

wtf did equalize go to 90 secs lol

[sullen falcon]

Yup

[quartz flume]

Yea haha

[faint agate]

For what skill

[gentle pendant]

Yeap cos they nerfed ender hit count from 18 to 15

[sullen falcon]

Ender

[faint agate]

3 lines

[sullen falcon]

3 sorry

[gentle pendant]

Which would be 36 to 30 in equilibrium state

[quartz flume]

They asking us to charge using reflection/morning star

[faint agate]

Yes

Same ratio

Basically if 25% faster

18<15*1.25=18.75

So should be slightly more overall

[gentle pendant]

Yes ender seems like a minor buff

[faint agate]

Generally speaking, this is an unwanted change overall

V3 is confirm nerf 30%

V2 is 40%

Nexon lied

[graceful kiln]

[gentle pendant]

Yea

But would wait for others trial

Would only be fair to have same person trying pre and post V4

Let’s wait for MarkD

And maybe we can figure a way to optimize V3

[graceful kiln]

I also struggle to see any kind of buff. I mean the v4 could come handy, but other than that seems disappointing

[gentle pendant]

Yes agree

V4 is an additional skill, so it should be a buff by default

But rest of the changes they made to other skills are more on the nerf side overall

[solar rover]

V4 has an active activation limit of 20 counts per cast of the skill, so best to align it with equilibrium

[faint agate]

Generally

For low funded players it’s a buff

Even without v4

Taken into consideration

[quartz flume]

Yup

[graceful kiln]

How is it a buff?

[quartz flume]

Think is more like how to cycle our skills in this new format in a way I feel

[graceful kiln]

I mean lumi is pretty straightforward

[thick tiger]

idk where to put the v4

lol i threw it as 2nd skill after ender

[hazy frost]

should be v3>ender>v4>v2>v3>ender ?

[hazy frost]

New presents incoming

[pseudo viper]

Gonna have to test tomorrow after work. Didnt get to test much today due to patch delay

[quartz flume]

No problem. One of my guildmate tested w/o v4, got more lines (about 500 more or so).

But will wait for ur test outcome

Hopefully the bugs will be fixed by end of day

[pseudo viper]

Yep, most likely a quick patch today

[gentle night]

Someone share presets pls cant get more than 19300 without v4

[orchid wave]

Preset with v2

[orchid wave]

Zero presets, all single skill by itself, presets will only hinder the number of ender lines

[gentle night]

You manually click meteor and v3?

[orchid wave]

Yup this 2 must manual, the only preset is GOL with ender

[gentle night]

Can you show your wheel? I cant even fit all the skills lmao

[orchid wave]

Hang on in cdd

[faint agate]

Can share your wheel please

Thanks!!

Top top Lumi

[gentle night]

Feels awkward trying to click v2

[gentle night]

No teleport?

[faint agate]

This not hard to trigger morning star in equilibrium?

[orchid wave]

Just for sole purpose of fog forest I replaced v4 with it

[gentle night]

You play on your phone?

[orchid wave]

Single wise it’s easier to trigger morning star alone by itself

[gentle night]

Always feels like theres a delay after using v2 or v3 and then ender

Without a preset

[orchid wave]

iPad Pro for SC and Damien/Lucid

[gentle night]

Ok let me try with your preset tomorrow

Thank you 🙏

[orchid wave]

Don’t have to try hard to hit 19300 lines in fog w/o v4 , it doesn’t mean you’re bad if you can’t do that

Actual bosses do move around and have stuns/petrify/knockbacks

[gentle night]

Was trying to hit 20k to see if we got buffed lmao

Line nerfs were too much 🤦‍♀️

But you dont feel a delay without a preset for v3?

[orchid wave]

If +v4 original testing I did is around 22.8k

[gentle night]

Its up so often now i feel like i lose a few enders by having to click v3 sepratelt

[gentle night]

You got 20k without v4?

[orchid wave]

Cannot touch, barely 19.5k

[gentle night]

How did you get 22.8k?

[orchid wave]

I used v3 to proc ds4 to cycle the burst for V2

[gentle night]

Ok on actual bosses not fog right

[orchid wave]

Yup

[gentle night]

How do u know when ds4 is active?

[orchid wave]

Only a one time test so far so not very accurate, but I started off with dark to see if there’s a difference

[orchid wave]

Through buff tab or the V icon that appears on top of your head

[gentle night]

Loool ok im dumb

[cloud birch]

i still cannot process v2 lv1 is only 3secs LOL

[gentle night]

I think they need to change v3 cd

It doesnt line up with equil duration

I leave equil and v3 is on 12-15s cd still

[hazy frost]

30s cd > 25s cd will fix it

[orchid wave]

It was in line previously due to ender slowpoke animation and the cutting off of duration through using skills

[hazy frost]

even 27.5 lol

[sullen falcon]

If your V3 is max level it doesn’t really change your skill cycle. Just that V3 happens earlier

[gentle night]

Yeah it feels soooo bad going back into equil and v3 is 5s off

[hazy frost]

i feel forced to use equlise now

[orchid wave]

The reduction doesn’t help at all given the fact that in a 3 min cycle we used V3 for the same number of times

[hazy frost]

and it mess eveything up

[sullen falcon]

Well I think it’s probably to prep for times where the boss flys around like a cockroach and you can’t burst at it properly

[gentle night]

They overnerfed smh

[sullen falcon]

They nerfed us hard

[gentle night]

Reduce v3 cd by a bit or make equil last 25s

[sullen falcon]

Classes like IL and Pala got major buffs

[orchid wave]

The char dancing speed during ender is insanely fast now

[gentle night]

Yeah ender feels good but rest feels soo bad

Imma complain through a ticket smh

[faint agate]

Exactly what i said yesterday

It needs to be changed to 25

[orchid wave]

It feels like you’re hitting or using more v3 but when analysis it’s out it’s goddamn same 🤣

[faint agate]

They fooled us

Hard

[sullen falcon]

Nah they didn’t fool. They said our V2 and V3 too strong

They nerfed us into the ground

[gentle night]

I sent a suggestion ticket asking them to revert lines nerf ✌️

[sullen falcon]

Just suggest equilibrium duration buff to base 15 seconds

Equalise becomes better, and our natural equilibrium becomes 25seconds

[gentle night]

Draft one and ill send

I sent them a ticket asking to make ender faster and it worked

@uneven copper send ticket

[faint agate]

They really must do equilibrium 25 sec

Then 0 complains

Our v4 is basically trash

[graceful kiln]

V4 looks decent actually, but I agree on the equill thing, it's too short

Dunno haven't tested on proper boss yet

[faint agate]

2 min cd

[graceful kiln]

?

It's 2800 lines when maxed, isn't it?

[solar rover]

Yes

[graceful kiln]

Anyone tested yet? I managed 20.7k with my current v4 lvl (should be 21.1k if maxed)

[timber comet]

I hit 22k lines once. Hit 21.4 a few times

[orchid wave]

22550 for now, might be able to squeeze another V3 in at max

[faint agate]

Woah 41m mdc

Nice

[gentle pendant]

Thanks

What the optimal skill rotation for 1min content like GD

Is it still better to enter with light mode

[orchid wave]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yUwSaHJmXBOvc-eI0UD7EMVyu4WUc2OwjkXPbMa4AWI/edit

2 mins 16,150 lines for lumi

[quartz flume]

so for mages, so far we are leading. Thinking will BW, ILM overtake by abit

[thick tiger]

Oh did not think about the skill day for ender lol

[crude wasp]

where did u see this info?

[orchid wave]

Spreadsheet above!

[crude wasp]

oh ty i was looking at the wrong sheet 😂

was looking at the v3 one

[lost sundial]

how would an actuall wheel should look like? cuz I dont get to fit all skills in a useful way for actual bossing

[lost sundial]

I do 11.5k in two minutes.. means im doing something wrong?

[gentle pendant]

guys i noticed something for our V2 change

it's actually just a minimal nerf for the line counts, the shorter duration actualy works in favor for us

i compared my pre and post patch V2 line counts in battle analysis (total line counts divided by number of use)

its actually identical despite shorter duration

i think it gives better burst potential with shorter duration (10sec to 6sec) without losing much line counts

i might be wrong, you guys can go check out and let me know

@pseudo viper @orchid wave @faint agate what you guys think

[faint agate]

What’s ur numbers

Like how many lines and number of use before and after

V2 now not maxed for me yet so can’t compare

[gentle pendant]

You can just scroll up and see the one Kira posted before and after

For me post patch 3500 lines, 6 uses

Pre patch 3300 lines, 6 uses

[old panther]

We need buff, Lumi it's poor lines

[orchid wave]

I’ll send one in after tweaking it for boss tonight

[orchid wave]

Yup it should not be that low

[lost sundial]

I’ve been working so I haven’t test different ways to improve.. hopefully I’ll get better

[pseudo viper]

Same, just testing in a few now lol

[orchid wave]

The 10s was actually in line for ds4 activation, now will have to readjust rotation to fit in to trigger during ds4

[pseudo viper]

Yea, noticed this. Have to time ds4 some other way now

[gentle pendant]

oh I thought we can still activate every 30 sec, it’s just that the casting duration is shorten to 6sec

[pseudo viper]

v3 activation is the issue

I'll have to check again. I didnt really do much testing

[gentle pendant]

I was talking about V2

Yes the V3 is slightly messed up

[pseudo viper]

Let me play around with the skills and I'll get back to here

I'm behind lol

[gentle pendant]

Yes sir

I was under the impression our V2 got nerfed a lot due to 40% shorter duration but I was wrong based on the testing I did

[thick tiger]

I feel the ability to proc ender 2x in one equilibrium rotation from charging is pretty good. Buts its all button smashing now. Anyone tried the hold down featurew to se ifnits better than tapping? My thumbs getting a workout no

[quartz flume]

I think the new controls feel better, but not sure for our skills are actually applicable for it, would be nice if one or two skills works for us, will be way smoother

[gentle pendant]

Yes it seems like the nerf is just the line count

The decreased duration is not really a nerf, we basically is dealing more lines per seconds now for V2, means a higher burst potential

[pseudo viper]

At 21,768 lines in 3mins. Need to do some more testing. Prefer to use skill presets and willing to sacrifice a bit of lines for comfort😅. Think someone said skill presets slows done skill activation

[thick tiger]

what lvl is you rliberation?

[pseudo viper]

also my v4 and v1 not max

[thick tiger]

isn't it like an extra 1200 lines or something per activation?

[pseudo viper]

I'm at lv 11 on my v4

taking it slow for now

havent bought nodestones in like 7 months

been farming them

[thick tiger]

13900 for 2 min efff i cant get higher

[quartz flume]

I think we should look at are we dealing more dmg pre and post dmg, rather than the lines

If they give more lines, they will take away dmg %, longer CD etc.. Im not sure what others think about it.

Based on experience in class rebalance, the line game is still kind of there, but the longer term wise the game won't be just lines, they gonna focus on the equipments and getting the raw stats into actual count. Think they know all of us are too overly focus on capping etc.. maybe they doing another thing to make it more enjoyable

[thick tiger]

Im mosty capping

Im noticing my equilibrium is shorter than the liberation duration

Do u proc liveration before equilibrium?

[quartz flume]

But to share something, think it's a bug, but after I went into GD, somehow I'm on unlimited equilibrium mode lol

Surely there will be some hot fixes incoming unless it goes undetected

[quartz flume]

This I'm not sure, feels the same since they didn't change anything on this part

[red flume]

the press and hold delay was patched in a small patch ~7 hours after main patch

So if you tested yesterday, there may have been slowdown, but if this is today, then it should be maxed atk spd or very close

[solar rover]

Had this before but couldn’t replicate. Might be good now cos ender speed increased and reduced V3 cd

[quartz flume]

Yea hit and miss, not sure what triggers it also

[gentle pendant]

I think lines is the most objective way for comparison. Everyone will deal higher damage post patch due to higher MDC so comparing damage is less optimal than lines IMO

[lost sundial]

Cant get over 11.5k in two minutes /: but I don’t have any v1-v4 maxed, I guess that could be expected?

[quartz flume]

Should be expected if v skills not max due to reduce CD.

[faint agate]

Happened to me to

[quartz flume]

It's a small glitch, but if ur strong don't enter mulong with that, u have to wait till timer ends

[graceful kiln]

It happened to me as well so I just entered mu lung and casually cleared 45

[faint agate]

Lumi with constant equilibrium best class in the game

By far

[hazy frost]

Buffs tier list for bossing ?

[echo pelican]

Could you share your wheel/presets for post v4?

[lost sundial]

Well you have like 5 extra slot at vmatrix than me 😅
But I’ll do my best to fit thanks
Can you please share a GD ? Just to kind of see the dynamics of the wheel

Much appreciated for the SS’s 🙏🏼

[orchid wave]

If so I’ll recommend removing all decents to fit what you need at the moment

[orchid wave]

I ab for that … 🤣

[toxic fable]

@orchid wave @pseudo viper have you tried 2 min tests?

[orchid wave]

Yup I did

[thick tiger]

I get 14k

[orchid wave]

But I’m nowhere near 16k

About 15ish

[thick tiger]

Missing 2 liberation orbs activation

[toxic fable]

I’m 15,583

[thick tiger]

Rotation ?

Lol

[orchid wave]

Yea about there too 16k seems impossible to squeeze

[thick tiger]

@orchid wave @toxic fable Tldr rotation to hit 15k?

[toxic fable]

I start in light mode @thick tiger easier to time ds4 for me

[thick tiger]

Do u charge it up until right before equilibrium and hit v3 first then light then v3 , v4, v2 and ender?

[orchid wave]

Yea

[orchid wave]

Are you trying to go higher or?

High scores might have used external keyboard to hit

[thick tiger]

Ohhhh

Thought that was only for bw

[orchid wave]

Previously a blaster used it and it has zero delay at all

So the skills very perfectly smooth

[toxic fable]

bless hold down function

my fingers are saved x)

[thick tiger]

OoooooooO lol lemme try that ive been smashing

[orchid wave]

You mean your nails

[toxic fable]

smashing resulted in lower results imo

yes my nails how did you know

[orchid wave]

HAHAHAHAHA

but do be careful the holding part does get deregistered somewhere along the line

Thought you might be dealing dmg but it’s not

[toxic fable]

it happened once

[orchid wave]

It’s the same logic as holding down on spectral light and it goes off

[toxic fable]

but I play with 70% transparency

I’ll notice hopefully

[orchid wave]

Playing with sound helps

[toxic fable]

I cont

[orchid wave]

How about sc

[toxic fable]

I’m lazy my hubs runs sc for me every week

[thick tiger]

Lol i play soundless too

[toxic fable]

tbf lumis make the worst sounds

[orchid wave]

You’ll need to sacrifice those nails to hit well in SC

[solar rover]

female lumi sounds awful

[hazy frost]

🤣

[thick tiger]

Lol they should sell different voices for characters

[toxic fable]

when I watch other people’s lumi pov videos and the sounds on I’m like

here’s a really good Damien run if you guys are interested https://youtu.be/jp0xWhcD5cQ?si=Upek2RiHYZSHRnEQ

[orchid wave]

You mean the sound on part is good?

[toxic fable]

mute pls

[solar rover]

just waiting for other bosses, the current bosses got trivialised by this mdc increase and v4

[orchid wave]

Make a playlist and add it into your spotify

[onyx steppe]

Is lumi still good after the patch ?

[candid notch]

[lost sundial]

I have adjusted my wheel some how its almost the same..
thanks for it.. I will be testing and see how much I Can improve..
highest I did before the changes was 11.5k lines.
thanks

[orchid wave]

All’s good as long as you keep up the passion for playing lumi no matter how bad or good it is

[lost sundial]

lol

as I have never been in end game. it has always been good for me 😅

I do enjoy it

[toxic fable]

[pseudo viper]

Late on this lol, but I get 15,479 lines in 2mins. My v1 and v4 are not maxed tho. Been busy since patch😅

can probably get more if I activate skills faster😅

[finite beacon]

You can share your vmatrix slots and preset/wheel skill ? After the v4

@pseudo viper

[runic pulsar]

Would maxing v4 first be better or does v2 still take priority.

[gentle pendant]

I would prioritize V2 over V4. Looking at the 1 min, 2min and 3 min battle analysis, seems like V2 total damage/line counts is higher than V4

I just watched KMsM lumi gameplay, the 25 sec equilibrium actually works perfectly with the revamped V2(30 sec CD), the V2 CD would be around 2-3 sec at the end of first equilibrium(V2 was activated twice during the equilibrium), so they are able to proc the 3rd V2 before entering the next equilibrium.

I hope they bring this change(25 sec equilibrium) to global

[hazy frost]

I agree

Additional 5 seconds , will fix the rotation

Best thing about lumi was smooth skill rotations , it was so much fun to me

now i feel like
w/e ill use equalize and skip v3 reset

But i dont like it

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-little-girl-drinking-too-cool-chilling-yeah-whatever-gif-27534207

[thick tiger]

feet pics for wheel and presets LOL

and skill rotation 🙂

[pseudo viper]

https://youtu.be/lnP8dP_k6xo?si=l8d3NCTQBesZRaw8
This video shows my skill wheel and presets along with how I got 15.6k lines in 2mins

Still testing, so not confirmed yet if this is best rotation

Ignore my preset 4 lol

[thick tiger]

oh i see what u did there

u use lib and then waited for a bit so u get it up again

[thick tiger]

Omg

I hit 15k with ur strat

[pseudo viper]

So just compared my dps in lotus and damien. We got heavily nerfed imo

Even ark

Got ppl with 10m less cap than me outdmging me in first 30s

We might be able to do 15.6k lines in 2 mins, but that has to be timed and cannot be used in ghb or immortal dungeon since it's a min long

[gentle pendant]

Lumi is not a burst class to begin with, we can’t beat those class who deal 1000lines in 5 sec

Even our V4, it’s 1400 lines in 20 sec

[pseudo viper]

I know that, but pre v4, no one has passed me in burst with 5m less cap. this time someone with 10m less cap can

[gentle pendant]

Those classes likely have a strong burst V4 or their V1/2/3 got revamped to be more bursty

In contrast, our V2 line counts got reduced, which weakened our burst potential

Long fight overall dps might not be noticeable but I agree, we are definitely low tier when it comes to short duration burst potential

[pseudo viper]

Just compared my rankings in my boss teams. Used to place 2nd or 3rd. Now getting placed 4th and 6th

Same gear pre v4

for my boss team

I'll wait out till end of the year before nexon fixes lumi class. If not fixed by then, will just have to quit. Not really enjoying the new lumi combo rotation. Feels like im playing a different class

[solar rover]

yeah but you have to account that the same gear isn't really the "same gear" anymore due to the cap changes

[steep solstice]

Not to mention lumi was doing >19k lines when most other classes were probably at 17k average or so. What you're seeing is a more accurate representation of dps from gearing

[pseudo viper]

It's not that, its the whole rotation of lumi skills are now weird and difficult to sync with v4

Back then I never had to use equalize until the very last seconds

I prefer keeping v3 with same lines and 45s cd and v2 with 10s duration, and ender slower with 18lines per hit

Idk, some other lumi's may like the change, but I am turned off by it. Just me, not asking everyone to agree, just my opinion

[thick tiger]

i didn't like the v2/v3 nerfs

[gentle pendant]

I’m with you, I prefer the pre patch skill set up . If the revamped skills provide higher dps then I don’t mind, but apparently not

[pseudo viper]

This is my 3min test. 22,128 lines

[latent ravine]

Yes I felt weaker than pre patch too

Probably because we weren’t buffed as much as the other classes

[solar rover]

v3 doesn't feel like a nerf to me for bossing because its unlikely u get the 2 casts off with a moving target like damien/lucid with the old cd where you had to ender all the way to string 2 casts. now you pretty much almost get 2 casts with 1 equlibrium

and that's not counting the transition cast from non-equi to equi

[pseudo viper]

Just remember the number of lines v3 got reduced. From 26 to 18. Thats a lot. Back then I had to issue casting v3 twice with moving targets

v3 at 45s cooldown is good since I can reduce it to 2s cooldown once equilibirum ends. Charge time for light skills is about 10 seconds and charge time for dark skills is about 4-6 seconds depending on if morning star was already launched

If moving target, I can still reduce it by constantly spamming ender

ds4 had a 30s cooldown and it worked perfectly with our burst

20s equi and 10s charge time and then ds4 activates upon equi

[solar rover]

yeah I am saying its not quite possible once you have to move..... regarding v3

and u have to float in damien so no way u can do enders back to back

maybe for lucid but she moves alot so u have to adjust as well

[pseudo viper]

Yep, but I would rather have longer cooldown and higher lines

that's 18x13 vs 26x13 hits

for v3

[thick tiger]

Injust tell people to remember all the carries in the past

And carry my ass now

[solar rover]

to me it's more like 18 x 13 x 2 vs 26 x 13

[latent ravine]

To me I keep forgetting my v3 is up

[pseudo viper]

Ah, just add it to your preset

forgot to show my updated preset

still testing

[latent ravine]

Yeah I have it with my ender now

[solar rover]

anyway nothing was worse than the dark days of pre v3

[pseudo viper]

We got different perspctives😅

[solar rover]

i mean you should feel it if u do hdamien

i had so many times when i had 6s off v3

and i had to switch to equi to burst

[pseudo viper]

It really depends if you get tagged as blue ball

[solar rover]

because if I wait it out, he transitions to the next attack

[faint agate]

What class?

[pseudo viper]

ILM, Pathfinder, dark knight

[faint agate]

Exactly

I think u speak for everyone here

[pseudo viper]

But tldr, I like the new mdc increase and added lines of v4, but I do not enjoy having to change my entire skill rotation. Feels like a new class I'm playing

[solar rover]

well V4 is the last skill before the origin skill comes out

get used to it XD

[pseudo viper]

Might not have to get used to it if I'm quitting lol

[faint agate]

Same

[pseudo viper]

In the end, might have to rr to rl

[faint agate]

They effectively ruined the gameplay

What’s rl?

[pseudo viper]

real life

[faint agate]

lol

Anyhow don’t invest too much time and funds into a game

Just play if u can

[pseudo viper]

It was really the time wasted

I already quit about 5 years ago and just came back again last year

And dont forget about the bishop res nerf too

[thick tiger]

So ur saying ull quit and come back again

[pseudo viper]

kmsm does not have nerf in both sia and bishop res

[pseudo viper]

Most likely not if lumi doesnt get fixed before the year end. I'm just slowly gonna spend less time on it. I really only spend 1 hour on it

and rest is just testing

[toxic fable]

I get what you’re saying, I feel like it’s requiring more thought to play but the return is not more dmg lol

if it’s harder I should be doing more dmg for it to be worth it

but I feel a bit nerfed

[thick tiger]

It will become auto again just learning pains

[pseudo viper]

Yea I had a rhythm going playing before v4 lol. I knew my rotations without looking lol

[toxic fable]

did bosses over the weekend and I was not on rhythm whatsoever and then there’s people outdpsing me who never used to x)

it does sort of burn

[pseudo viper]

Yea, in kmsm equi is at 25s, With that, we wont have to use equalize

[toxic fable]

I’m hoping we get the 25s/15s equilibrium

it’ll fix us

[pseudo viper]

Yep, it would

Thats the only 1 change for me really lol

[thick tiger]

I kinda want the v4 to be .5 sec instead of 1 for each activation

[toxic fable]

the line nerfs actually hurt a lot, now we rely on squeezing in that extra v3 to deal dmg like before

[thick tiger]

I cant finish it in one equilibrium cycle

[toxic fable]

and v2 should have been 6s + 6s at max levels

it doesn’t even make sense that it’s only 6s lol like what’s the point of maxing it then

[pseudo viper]

Yea, every skill except v1(useless in bossing) got nerfed

[toxic fable]

in the name of atk speed increase

[pseudo viper]

Increase speed, but less lines. I prefer same speed pre v4 and more lines

Nexon should really stop nerfing and just start buffing. And if one class feels nerfed, just buff that class. Dont have to nerf other classes

[toxic fable]

ya, no one likes to be nerfed

[pseudo viper]

Yea, the amount of times people rr when their main class gets nerfed. I liked lumi pre v4 since the play style was fun, but not fun anymore lol

I like an easy class with an easy skill rotation

[faint agate]

EXACTLY

bro they ruined it completely

I don’t think there is even a slight chance of them fixing it tbh

[pseudo viper]

25s equilibrium will actually help fix since you'll rely less on equalize to enter equi right away

I only had to use equalize at the end of battle

[faint agate]

Yea but still the change is bad in terms of gameplay

Feels like a blaze wizard

[toxic fable]

25s would allow us to fluently squeeze in another v3 every single time

[faint agate]

Is there a case where it happened to a class and then got fixed?

[pseudo viper]

Not sure about that. dont really keep track of other classes😅

But this is the only nerf lumi got in kmsm after v4 release

[toxic fable]

oo do you know what their lines currently are for our other skills?

[pseudo viper]

Not yet, have to search that up if I can find any

Should get this skill soon if Will gets released

This is a skill preset for one kmsm player

[pseudo viper]

This is how many lines kmsm does per skill

Comparison to mine

[faint agate]

This game becoming way too complicated

Tbh

Eventually overtime the player base will get smaller and smaller

And new players won’t start because cannot keep up

[hazy frost]

I Agree
lumi is no fun to me anymore

they took its magic out

Did lotus the other day
I didn't enjoy it at all
its not even dps wise
The entire interaction is diffent
whats the point on have v3
cd reduce if you have to skips 7-8 sec every 2 combos
i understand the new combo , I added v3 to the ender/gol/morningstar preset
but v2 is not sync
v4 is really weak befor it maxed level

thats super annoying and disturbing

Its a shame , They should've released "Remasterd" announcement
I do consider quitting .

It was all about timing and smooth transaction
It's was smooth and stable combos , I knew the timing of my burst and DS in and out .
Now it's feel random

I do 3/2 minutes fog forest testing
I get different results every time
Plus , Timer ends on a different skill

Dont know why the fk they ruined my lumi
what a shame .
Will say it again
I DONT LIKE IT ANYMORE.

[gentle pendant]

Agree with ALL above. As a lumi main, these post V4 changes are really disheartening. Would encourage more lumi player to submit ticket to voice out the downside of these changes and hoping nexon will fix it in the upcoming rebalancing.

[latent ravine]

Dropped 2 ranks in lotus yesterday

smh

[turbid socket]

Actually, did anyone ask Breeze Zhen whether is he seeing a performance drop for Luminous

He's like the goat when it comes to Luminous's optimization and gameplay

[orchid wave]

Soon page 2

[orchid wave]

He’s busy studying a new rotation to hit SC

[gentle pendant]

He was top in SC across the world prior to patch, now he is losing 3-4K to other jobs like WA, mech, DK, phantom , DB

[mighty mountain]

https://youtu.be/zvHvoXJ0zXg?si=okkGVjD_pvb5XVjt

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2uRIrdUxo

[quartz flume]

not bad videos, for the class considered high or?

[faint agate]

What’s highest record

[turbid socket]

Seriously a DK could beat a Lumi??

I thought their line count isn't alot but they are known to have consistent damage output with interval bursts

[graceful kiln]

Yeah I think it's happening

[quartz flume]

to see a warrior class outcasting mage class like lumi, quite sad unless the DK recent rebalance has a big boost.

[worthy violet]

Anyone else struggling with bossing ?? I went from placing 4-5 in my lotus group to dead last even though my MDC went from 18.5m->24.5m. Only have my v4 to level 10 so far but it really throws off my rhythm now that I have to activate it while holding down skills rather than tapping them…not sure why I’m so weak now

[gentle pendant]

You can still activate the skills by tapping, the holding skill is optional

Let’s hope lumi get a revamp soon

[worthy violet]

My dmg is lower when I tap so maybe a speed issue ??

[gentle pendant]

I tried out, it’s about the same for me tapping vs holding

[worthy violet]

Must be a skill issue then. Meh. Need to figure out a new rotation. Thank you though

[gentle pendant]

We can only hope that lumi gets a revamp soon. It makes no sense to have the same V3 CD as KMSM but shorter equilibrium duration than KMSM.

[thick tiger]

Where do we write these updates?!?

[hazy frost]

feedbacl-qol thread ?

https://discord.com/channels/413046906638565395/501895709767761942

[hazy frost]

100% we got only the nerf parts

[gentle pendant]

Based on battle analysis, ender did get buffed(the 25% reduced casting delay despite decreased ender line count overall it’s a buff for ender), but not enough cover to line lost from V3 and morning star.

[main bough]

Buying Necro shining rod

A2scania

[graceful kiln]

Yeah but like, don't you feel that we don't hit hard anymore? I have no idea why but I used to feel undefeatable when in equilibrium, and now other classes just casually take on me even then. This was true even before v3. It just feel weak

[solar rover]

Nah, lumis were crap before V3 release plus addition of lines to V2 at the same patch

[river cedar]

It’s a chore right now, but I’d recommend Lumi players to look at the top buff bar to monitor DS4 activation and have V2/V4 as a separate bind from Ender/V1/V3. That’s the main way to coax more damage right now for extended boss fights instead of firing skills as and when.

Anything less than a min fight, don’t bother comparing to bursty classes. You’d feel better…

[quartz flume]

did lumi had any revamp from PC? Else this revamp is hard to wish for, rather rebalancing the skills

[gentle pendant]

Not sure. I only know KMSM had lumi revamp 3 months ago, when they reduced V3 CD from 45 sec to 30 sec. I think their equilibrium has always been 25 sec though, but I’m not sure.

[quartz flume]

hmm i see, not sure will global msm team listens to our feedback is another

[orchid wave]

It’s no longer a class that requires skills to play, if you’re after highest DPS/DPM mage, definitely do not recommend lumi for now.
Many mechanics and tactics are removed and made easier, even someone who has no experience with lumi can just buy off any acc get some decent gears on and play it as well as you do, a veteran player. Now you don’t have to control morning star to get more dmg or dps, it’s simple to the extent that once CD is over just use it and preset with whatever you like. Now the only cache is if you know how to use V3+ V2 during DS4 to get a decent ranking in boss/ contents.
It’s like Nexon just decapacitate the limbs of this class and left us to die.

[ruby moth]

This update was a double edged sword

In order to bring "balance" across all classes post V4, they had to compromise by nerfing the pre V4 classes top classes in Luminous and Sia to make every class now on a "levelled" playing field.

I'm not so sure how to feel about this. Maybe am overreacting. There will be players that play specific classes because they are touted as strongest or best of the best.

Now the Devs are shifting direction where literally any class can do very similar damage to another class effectively getting rid of the "meta" tag. They really want players to accept this new reality or just move on. They effectively made the mobile game like pc now where anyone can do damage -inserts Bishop

Maybe its good for the game, maybe its not

[faint agate]

Bro
The classes are not balanced at all

Compare hero/DB/nl/nw?

Hero 23k patt capping 17m.. how’s that makes sense

[quartz flume]

Can agree on the last part that devs want to give all classes a chance.
But giving others chance should nerf the others before the patch. If they want to do similar damage as other class, just buff up the class lacking areas, thats my opinion.
If the other classes came to catch up which is better than pre V4, then they are allowing more players to leave the game for good because most players now in-game probably are the ones playing since its launch. Maybe to new players not a big impact, but the experience players will be badly impacted

[river cedar]

Actually there’s an update on the total lines/3min chart and Lumi isn’t far away from the top. What most people feel off right now is the “rhythm” or the “flow” pre and post V4.

Whether it is fiercely punching or holding down attacks, or whether to fire off V3 the moment it appears since CD time has changed with more Enders per equilibrium state…or timing the chain of attacks, something just felt off.

On the first night of patch, my regular team has a DA with (I believe) close to max MDC, his output is double mine or even more.

Speechless.

On the second night of patch, I played with friends for Ark/Mag and was shocked how fast a team with 2 DK can outpace mine as well although I have a couple more million MDC more than them. Less than 1 min fight, Lumi is definitely worse off comparing to burst classes, BUT DPS/DPM has definitely improved (still self consoling).

Without DS4, I think most classes should be quite similar in terms of damage output, with similar MDC. The changes specifically referring to Lumi now is summed up quite nicely over at QOL page, with the variance in complexity of skills of characters, those classes with more skills/more cooldown variance/lines spread over 3min as compared to burst are impacted much more.

It’s a new way of fighting and having to practice to coax more output can be quite taxing, less enjoyable.

I was quite discouraged at the initial as well but facts are there, the moment the “rhythm” is back, the output increases. Over 3 days I spent about an hour a day re-running SC just to try to raise SC score with the new play style, and is able to coax about 10% - 15% more compared to the start.

Is it worth it? Well, I do like the character…so…

[quartz flume]

Cant deny that the class now is revamp in a way to ask us to play it differently than pre v4.
So what u shared is not wrong, by finding the right mechanics currently till the upcoming balances for it (be it good or bad).
At least if u have found the "rhythm" which can help enjoy the whole thing once again.

Was wondering whats ur skill wheel for bossing, maybe could try it out and see if it works well 🙂

[river cedar]

I do the following

• Maple Goddess set to pet
• V2/V4 manual, don’t bind with Ender/V3
• Enter boss fight mounted until countdown 1-2s, dismount and Fair Trade
• Monitor buff bar for DS4 and time V2 especially with it. The moment the first V2 is in sync with the first DS4, the subsequent ones become easier to time
• Fire V3 per normal, however, if the waiting CD time is about 3s till next, and just before equilibrium, I’d wait so that it fires twice (pre V4 habit)

It’s more to do with being more aware and timing with boss attack pattern/DS4

[quartz flume]

dont have ds4 for now, but good guide and will see if its better in terms of casting skills

[mighty mountain]

I'm not sure,my mdc is 39.88m

[hazy frost]

#msm-feedback-qol message
upvote if you agree

[quartz flume]

they got to see whether they are going to take the post V4 QOL feedback seriously in upcoming patches

[craggy rover]

not that I know of in the past 1-2 years. I don't know the exact details on their skill cooldowns, line counts, etc. But I can say, you do not want the PC version of Lumi. They are not able to charge equilibrium if there is no target to hit, morning star does not charge equilibrium per tick, and their equalize hyper is 150 seconds cd.

[quartz flume]

Then i guess we got to match what kmsm class note rebalance in a way, though both management are different in a way

[finite beacon]

Hello
Idk what’s going on but I was stuck at equilibrium for like 15min
I clear cra and hra during that time
Anyone else have this problem/gift?

[gentle pendant]

The V4 sphere of magic range is pretty big, if you stood at the center during arkarium and activate the sphere, you basically speed up the unlimited screen crack

[pseudo viper]

I also did notice a 5s reduction in freud's wisdom. So our iframe is only 10s now

[gentle pendant]

I actually like the new version of Freud, 3 min CD was way too long

[pseudo viper]

I'm the opposite, I prefer the longer duration😅

Although, I only use it during lotus

So i maximize dps during lasers

[gentle pendant]

You could use Freud twice now in SC, so you are invisible to stun for about 1 min with 2x use of Freud. That’s one third duration of the run

[pseudo viper]

I gave up on SC . Getting high score, but trash rewards. Not worth

[quartz flume]

U mean this patch they did changes to it? Patch notes didn't mention though unless is put somewhere

[candid notch]

Everyone go to the feedback section and say something please

[quartz flume]

Ahh I seem but buff and additional buff duration drops 5s, but CD is 2mins instead of 3mins, guess its better

[quartz flume]

Alot have feedback on post patch outcomes, now is really up to the team to look into it and when will it be answered

[solar rover]

Wait 6 months or so for kmsm rebalance to lumi to come about, i highly doubt they will do anything for now

[pseudo viper]

6 months, thats enough time for the class to go extinct

All nexon had to do was just give us the v4 and do no changes on anything else. They can buff the other classes, but keep the play style the same

For all the times I've wasted experimenting in Fog forest to maximize lines and nexon now forces lumi's to change all skill rotations and relearn the class

[solar rover]

Already went extinct once before V3, i guess its gonna happen again 🤷‍♂️

[pseudo viper]

I started playing again around when v3 is close to releasing. Came back from a 5 year break

[gentle pendant]

Lumi has been dethroned, but we will rise again

[quartz flume]

Is like just play and survive til rebalance again, and Nexon listening to QOL sometimes doesn't work

[graceful kiln]

I hope you used it to clear mu lung floor 45

It's a bug, it happens from time to time

[faint agate]

Can explain?

[finite beacon]

I forget about it maybe next time

[rich vigil]

Hi! Where can i see the chart? Thaanks

[dense python]

do we still use death scythe for ab?

[hazy frost]

if you 1 shot the mobs
sure , why not

[hazy frost]

I use lightning, Armagedom , v1 v2 , morning star , equalize

[graceful kiln]

It happened to me for the first after the Mac update. I think presets didn't work well (attack speed was slower), but without presets it was fine and I stayed in equilibrium for hours. If you ab then close the game the bug still continues

I couldn't replicate it myself though, it happened again a week ago but I didn't find the reason

[finite beacon]

Maybe we can find a way to use it
If we can stay for hours in equilibrium it will be grateful

[dense python]

i see, you dont use death scythe at all? feel that death scythe animation is too slow

[graceful kiln]

Dunno it seemed random to me, not sure

[hazy frost]

Used to be good , Nowdays for AB no real reason to use it ,
I dont use ender/apocalypse either
lightning got buffed, its good enough to be main dmg skill

[river cedar]

I realize no Lumi players sent in a bug report on V4, and it’s not under known bugs on their official forum/website. Does anyone have a ready video of this? Can trouble to file bug report?

It’s irritating to have V4 hitting the wrong tower even though can down Arkarium in less than a min…

[graceful kiln]

v4 triggers towers?

[river cedar]

It aims and hits tower instead of Arkarium even though you don’t intend for it to do so…standing in the middle doesn’t help

[orchid wave]

I thought it’s normal

It’s funny but the balls does diversify and splits

Half goes to boss half to tower

[river cedar]

Back then I recall Kaiser complain like mad for their V2 and got it fixed to target boss first

Same issue