Dual Blade

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, anyone wanna sell jaihin cd in A2S?

[nimble sinew]

Another patch we hibernate

[drifting palm]

Time to rr to shadower

[verbal delta]

inhaling that copium for another month and hope for april rebalancing

[crimson basalt]

Need some inputs here

There's a massive revamped in Kmsm on clone and additional damage line classes

https://forum.nexon.com/maplestorym/board_view?board=1215&thread=2518423

Is this a nerf?

The way how its worded is that the additional damage % lines are no longer tied to the maximum amount of damage you are dealing every line

Rather its now tied to your max damage cap instead?

[civic basalt]

Definitely a nerf to end game players

[verbal delta]

Ya nerf to those all classes w clones that were capping them

those who weren't will see an increase in dmg

[paper garnet]

They keep throwing dirt on our class

[nimble sinew]

Imagine them patching this in game before the rebalance for db

Or drop it at the same time so we won’t have things to compare

[verbal delta]

idk why they can't do the blade tornado and blades of destiny update at least

[hexed hull]

What is that update

[verbal delta]

Both get the same cd (15s), line count is increased for BoD to make up for the 5s increase in cd time, and the animation delay is reduced so you can chain both together more smoothly (in a preset together)

[paper garnet]

Probably will never get it at this point

[rough garnet]

I like BOD how it is it helps mobbing

[nimble sinew]

I think the skill is designed to be chain with v3 with 0 latency as 1 skill

So the 5s cd increase is to achieve that

[pulsar gull]

@verbal delta thoughts on cd % a class w clone line should get?

Was just told 500% cd full buff is sufficient, and aim for all BA after

[verbal delta]

There's no set %, it'll be affected by other stats and content

[pulsar gull]

Do u have a general % that u recommend?

I remember before someone said 150ba and 450cd unbuff

Echomsm has also been preaching to not go crazy over cd emblem and even 4 ba 4 cd is fine. It’s more about min maxing if we wanna stick w 6cd and 2ba

Have some cheap armor with BA emblem that I’m looking at but hesitant because of the stat

[verbal delta]

I don't have a set number, BC it changes based on your own stats, gears, class passives, link skills, etc
If you notice you're not capping crits, then I would try to increase my Crit DMG but I'd also take a look into my other stats. If my FD is super low for example, I'd probably opt to prioritize increasing that. Having a good balance in emblems can be good, I just know people underrate BA emblems since it really comes down to your class and whatnot. I've seen a shadower with 7 BA emblems outdmg almost every other class with 4+ cd emb as an example

[pulsar gull]

I see

[quartz pivot]

Saw this in my guild chat some time back. Not sure about its entire accuracy but generally BA scales with skill dmg % which is good for most classes. For clone classes, the skill damage is alot lower ( I believe its 35% x skill dmg%) so theoretically, CD should scale better than BA for clone lines. TLDR my take is that if you're looking to improve clone lines, CD should do a better job than BA.

[pulsar gull]

I’ve seen this chart but didn’t know how to interpret it

So cd is specifically for clones. Coz some classes like fpm and ark has low skill dmg%, according to this, it’d be beneficial with more BA for them then

[verbal delta]

Also a thing to note is that they'll be nerfing clones in the future
currently it's 0.35*(theoretical damage)
it'll be changed to 0.70*(actual damage)

[pulsar gull]

Huh? How is that a nerf?

[pulsar gull]

I saw that

The language is confusing to me

But basically instead of doing clone line as a % of our “supposed” calculated damage, it’ll be based off the actual damage we do, which is lower

So is it saying that let’s say I’m hitting lotus at 20m mdc. Currently clone is calculated off that 20m damage. But now in future it’ll calculate off my actual damage (16m per line)

And it says above that post that it applies to other “additional damage” skill. So does final attack of classes like Mercedes and heroes and the hyper stat adi line will be recalculated like that too?

[verbal delta]

let's say my mdc is 15m
i have enough stats to hit 50m, but my mdc limits me to just 15m
currently clones hit like this: 15/0.35 = 42.85m. So my actual stats let me hit 50m, i got enough stats (50>42.85) that would allow my clones to hit their theoretical cap, albeit still at 15m.
how this would change is 15*0.7 = 10.5m is what my clone lines would hit, even if i got the stats to hit more.

[pulsar gull]

Oh!

That’s crazy. I didn’t think that’s how clone damage has been calculated this whole time

Why 15/0.35 tho

[verbal delta]

If I want my clones to cap at 15m, my theoretical damage when I use that skill must hit >15/0.35

My example just assumed I wanted to cap clones, since it shows the bigger difference in how clones will change in the future

[pulsar gull]

Oh gotcha

[verbal delta]

Helps less funded players (will increase their DMG), decreases DMG for ppl who were capping clones

They did this to make overall DPS balanced for classes without clones, since apparently the DPS difference was huge after v4

Their reasoning anyways

[pulsar gull]

I didn’t know people are actually capping their clone rn

Seems almost impossible

[green magnet]

Another thing to note is that, this revamp only applies only if we get a huge mdc update

[pulsar gull]

Do these changes affect classes such as yours rubedo? With your blue blood line?

[green magnet]

Should they implement this now, its a nerf for me

However it can only be seen as a buff for all if we get a huge mdc uplift

The uplifit must be so substential that i cannot cap my blue blood anymore

Which is a problem in Kmsm for DS

After this revamp, DS were seeing a 12 to 15% dps increase

[pulsar gull]

So the sweet spot for mid tier player with that update is to actually keep raising cap til you can’t hit your cap anymore. Coz any time you can hit cap now, likely your clone line isn’t being maximized

[green magnet]

Yes

[pulsar gull]

But capping isn’t hard nowaday

I guess their way of implementing it is through that af req for lucid, which give u free mdc in that dungeon

[green magnet]

Tbh, Kmsm mdc gains comes from alot of avenues in the game

Arcane force is one of them

Their emblem gives them mdc

[pulsar gull]

Oh

[green magnet]

They have an insane enhancement sf system for gear set

[pulsar gull]

Well does this mean the rise of classes that’s easy to cap, such as hero?

[green magnet]

Smth like a sf liberation system for gears

Which gives them almost 30 to 40m mdc gain

[pulsar gull]

Wth

[green magnet]

In theory yes

[verbal delta]

They got so much more mdc than it's crazy

[green magnet]

Classes like DK, Hero, Luminous all are biggest beneficiary

[verbal delta]

At this point we're basically different games. I only look to kmsm to see what things may be implemented, don't hope we'll get exact changes every time, just similar things

[pulsar gull]

But it seems they’re going in similar direction

Such as this new guild individual skill change for more mdc

[verbal delta]

They had that like 2? Years ago and still get more mdc

From it

[green magnet]

I believe we will get those systems soon

[pulsar gull]

This makes me sad. Just started gearing my fresh 200 merc and now clone class getting nerf 😦

[verbal delta]

I mean it's not guaranteed to come for awhile, or at all. Just a possible future

[green magnet]

Because moving ahead, Commander Will definitely needs some form a power spike from our end to make him clearable

Will in Kmsm has 8 times the HP of Hard Damien

Its impossible to clear with what we have atm even with a maxed 60 dreamy belt

[verbal delta]

Our game always seems to make lifting base mdc the last option, but I guess that'll be it for Will

[green magnet]

Yup

Hopefully we are seeing a base mdc increase with V4 release

Although thats with some copium intake on my end 😂

[verbal delta]

it would be nice but I can see them waiting for Will, they probably don't wanna release him too soon

They havent much rebalances lately, so idk if they're waiting for v4 or what

[green magnet]

Maybe soon. I know DBs are due for some major changes at least if we compare what Kmsm DB gotten

[verbal delta]

Yeah I've been waiting for those, been almost a year for some changes

[gray shell]

Because of how the damage formula works, the effectiveness of BA and MA % changes depending on skill damage, so depending on which lines you wanna cap you gotta focus on different things

[pulsar gull]

Specifically only magic attack?

Can you give me an example on how to interpret the chart and I’ll try to apply it to my own situation?

[paper garnet]

Yeah they don’t buff us soon looks like time to quit 😭

[verbal delta]

Good thing my shadower is 214 jk
no more rerolls after every boss w lucid and after is AF locked

[paper garnet]

My shadower lvl 151

But what lvl is your DB @verbal delta

[verbal delta]

240

[paper garnet]

Flex your lvl 60 Abso gears sensei

[verbal delta]

LOL maybe in 2030

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, anyone selling jaihin dagger cd in A2S?

[verbal delta]

pd emb on swep > cd emb
10 seems overkill, unless all you care about is gfb i guess

[verbal delta]

i think asia2 uses telegram more than discord to communicate, might find someone there

[fair ivy]

do you have name of the group？

[dull gust]

I've pmed you

[sour grove]

Hello, whats the perfect trio needed for db currently? Or the above shared is still valid?

[warped frigate]

Blade fury, phantom blow, blade clone, blade mastery, sudden raid

Asura

[sour grove]

thanks for responding, how many node slot can get this all maxed?

[verbal delta]

you'll need to get pretty high (235+) in order to min max your matrix skills, so for boost nodes just focus on phantom blow, asura and blade clone until then. the rest are pretty insignificant for overall dmg. You could have some training nodes with blade fury and swap if needed.

[sour grove]

thanks again for your inputs. Having said 3 skills need to be maxed, its really hard. For example i need
Boost nodes 1 (LV20) = PB , Asuras, BC
Boost nodes 2 (LV20) = Asuras, PB, BC
Boost nodes 3 (LV20) = BC , Asuras PB
This gonna cost alot to roll these perfect boost nodes isn't it?

[verbal delta]

To get those 3 exactly? Yes it will be. You can use other boost nodes that have those skills in the meantime to help a bit

[sour grove]

in this way, i might require more node slots right?

[verbal delta]

Dual Blade also has the most base boost node skills at 17, so in general, nodes are not fun since we have to open a lot

[verbal delta]

Yep the more slots the better

[sour grove]

Currently I have (Boost node 1 = PB, Blade mastery, BC) (Boost node2 = BC,PB,Asuras) (Boost node 3 = asura, chains of hells, sudden raid).

seems like i can now focus to level up boost node 2 first? as 1 and 3 needed to be replaced? Or it is good to go too.

Or if you mean, out of the 3 skills, only PB needs to be maxed, then maybe i will get all with PB and maxed level 20 to get PB lv 60, im so blur when i hit level 200 for this new thing 😛

[native hemlock]

What's BIS katara?

[verbal delta]

Yeah just keep whichever nodes you can to prioritize the main 3 skills. You can extract the trash nodes later when you pull perfect ones, don't extract any boost nodes until they are lv25 to get the most return.

[verbal delta]

16sf mythic secondary wep

[sour grove]

Hello, thanks for answering my previous question. Here another one:

1. which link skill are good for DB?
2. should i only train my alt to level 120?
3. any guide on legion progress? As i only have one DB alone, no other character

[verbal delta]

1. explorer thief (self skill) 3x
   archers 3x
   adele
   evan
   warriors 3x
   merc (switch to Kaiser hp% if u need hp for damien)
   pirates 3x
   resistance 4x
   ds
   da
   xenon
   cadena
   sia
2. no, 120 is just to get the lv2 link skill. try to get them all 160+ for your legion.
3. do dailies on them for the daily task exp, monster park, throw them in sf80-144+ when not training your main / get someone (or alt accs if u have) to leech them, daily quests (starting at lv140)

[sour grove]

Very helpful, thanks for your time.

[pulsar gull]

Does our doppelgänger help w any debris or damage from lotus push ? Are any of them hp-scaled?

[verbal delta]

The trains are HP scaled, so probably would prevent 1hko

To reduce DMG from lotus punch you need rice cookie

[pulsar gull]

Oh crit res buff?

I was just reading through my db alt skill description. What’s are our smallest line? Passive from more sf enhancement? Venom? Clone? They all seem above 100% skill dmg except for clone.

[pulsar gull]

According to this chart, cd will boost dmg more if skill % is below 80% roughly

Phantom blow is 220%, and clone will be 35% of that so 77%

I’m sure there are other factors on how clone dmg is calculated, but roughly looking at it, seems like db doesn’t need too much cd? Like 450 is plenty and more ba maybe better?

[verbal delta]

Our lowest is additional damage increase hyperstat

Clone lines from blade mastery

[pulsar gull]

Isn’t this 200%?

Or does our clone does 35% of those also?

[verbal delta]

It doesn't get any boost from v matrix, so it would be the lowest

[pulsar gull]

Oh I see

[mental canyon]

What hyper passives should I be using?

[verbal delta]

Under 200:
Blade fury FD,cd, 3 in final cut
200+:
Phantom blow 3x, 2x final cut (enhance, cd cutter)

[mental canyon]

I appreciate it!

[hexed hull]

Hey I remember a long time ago someone told me to do CD cutter and persist. Did this change in the last year? Also, does enhance add 5% through the duration or is it only on first attack.

[verbal delta]

Enhance increases the FD buff by 5%
Cd cutter allows for iframe usage more frequently, which is more helpful when bossing

[hexed hull]

So persist is toast then? Get rid of it?

[verbal delta]

Yessir, just need the other 2 in FC and 3 in PB

[verbal delta]

Hey it's all good, I don't know everything myself lol. Always learning. I'm just happy to give my input/help when needed

[hexed hull]

I actually had the same conversation with him a year ago when he was initially using persist. I don't really care about lucid cause I'm nowhere near that. More concerned with where I'm at which is the less than 2min bosses.

I quit twice since then and never changed it to CD and enhance so I'm totally lost. All good now.

[quartz pivot]

Personally, I use CD cutter and Persist. I find it better for me because I use Final Cut pretty defensively in current boss content which means that I don’t immediately use it whenever it’s off CD. That being said, persist helps by prolonging the duration of the 10% FD until I have to defensively use Final Cut again. Aside, I prefer consistency in damage rather than bursts to min/max my dps so i value 10% FD for 60s over 15% FD for 45s.

[hexed hull]

Thanks for that explanation, I'll try to figure out what to do. I have been using the same thing and personally don't like having final cut active twice instead of having the extra enhance, but what you said makes sense. Wish we could use 3 skills in Fc lmao.

[pulsar gull]

Thoughts on flash bang?

Seems like most ppl cap and don’t care to use it during bossing

[verbal delta]

i've tried it before in battle analysis, and the DPS went up with it on

Also helps debuff the boss for teammates

[nocturne briar]

Are you guys also able to easily cap with PB? It seems like no matter how I upgrade, I’m still far off

[paper garnet]

2 top tier DBs has spoken

[pulsar gull]

What’s your preset n bossing wheel like ajit?

[pulsar gull]

I’m not db main but I think capping pb isn’t hard. It’s the smaller line

[verbal delta]

For 95% of bossing

I change it a little bit for Damien to include blink, and blink + blade Ascension for lucid

[pulsar gull]

What’s your rotation like for let’s say ark?

Looks like you use flash bang n sudden raid constantly?

And preset the last two as iframe and not care too much about the fd boost?

[verbal delta]

The last preset i use in damien and lucid where i prioritize survival
As for ark, my run won't always have a bishop so i just try to time stuff with DS4 or after screen crack
generally 1 min run so i'll do blade tempest -> asura -> blade tempest and try to time them with DS4/split
final cut/v2/v3 when available, shadow walker + ds at the start or ds later for 2nd crack

[pulsar gull]

You have a YouTube channel showcasing u bossing?

[verbal delta]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgdzKL9gstdhbuiVmGg4kGQ

Nothing recent for ark though

[pulsar gull]

Subscribed !

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, any advise pre 200lv skill wheels for farming in sf194?

[verbal delta]

blade fury, sudden raid, final cut

Our mobbing is awful until we get V2 (blades of destiny) at lv200

[distant holly]

Anyone Can please share dualblade:

1. hyper skill (passive page)
2. skill to set for both ab and bossing

Thank you very much

[lament sparrow]

If u scroll up u see

[sour grove]

i hope someone can share skills preset for ab too.

[sour grove]

Thank youuy

[nimble sinew]

Rebalance copium

[nimble sinew]

Copium indeed

[verbal delta]

Lol over one year worth of rebalance missing for DB and they'll continue to ignore it

[nimble sinew]

We are indeed in the era of bufftb but db instead

[verbal delta]

Burst meta with no burst

[dull gust]

I was hoping for blade clone with no cd

[quartz pivot]

That's because we don't have someone that actively push for the DB rebalance.

[verbal delta]

I sent them multiple tickets but I guess that doesn't work time to post daily

[quartz pivot]

Tickets dont actually work since its not vocal enough for the community to see.

All you get is probably an automated reply and your ticket hits the bin right after.

[verbal delta]

Some mod warned a member here for posting kmsm stuff just watch out for that

[quartz pivot]

Guess I'll take one for the team then

[verbal delta]

I'll post it too

[paper garnet]

It was me that got warned LOl

Dual Blade community !!! Let’s post !!!

[warped frigate]

#buffdb

[nimble sinew]

I copied elune’s and posted today. Is there a one type of feedback limitation per day? I see they deleted ajit’s

[verbal delta]

Yes, they're deleting copies

only once a day of that same message

[paper garnet]

[verbal delta]

[sour grove]

😇

[nimble sinew]

It’s 24hour rollover, let’s take turn kipidap

[nimble sinew]

Dang so is it the same on kmsm too

[verbal delta]

They need a buff in kmsm as well? Seems like the clone change was tough

[covert prawn]

Does the clone change damage shad too?

[tame glen]

Is it better to go for 3 of trio 2 (if possible?) or is there any «perfect» way to go about it?

[verbal delta]

every class w clones

[verbal delta]

it's nicer to have all 3 if possible in one node since you can save a slot in your matrix by theoretically just needing 2 variations of that node and putting 5 enhancement points in each. Our 2nd trio of blade fury/sudden raid/blade mastery doesn't really impact overall damage by much during bossing/versus content

[tame glen]

Okay, so if i understand this right, this trio (bossing) is the perfect one that has most impact on bossing, and is 1 of 2 needed. And the second trio is blade fury, sudden rain and blade mastery? Some people say its worth to switch the blade fury in the non-bossing trio with ashura or phantom blow since blade fury isn’t as effective?

Or does that make the build «only» for bossing?

[verbal delta]

You can use non-perfect trios like that while waiting to pull a perfect trio, since pb/asura/bc are the priority to get them to level 60

What I use for example. I have an extra slot with another asura/blade clone/pb node that I use to get the remaining 10 levels

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, just reached level 200 can someone pro can advise what nodes should be using? Willing spam more mesos to open

[paper garnet]

Right above ya bud

[rough garnet]

#1059991969805385729 message

[fair ivy]

here bro haha

[fair ivy]

what do you mean bro？

[paper garnet]

@fair ivy these nodes

https://youtu.be/6tF8wvTp0Bg?si=HrEFR4wVbv5RzbFb

Much needed DB content. I don’t understand but still. Abso weapon and v4

[fair ivy]

Thanks bro

[humble yew]

Hi is the pinned trio still the best trio to look for?

And are they still obtainable or it is through crafting?

[paper garnet]

Middle 3 trios

[paper garnet]

Obtain them through opening nodes

[drifting palm]

is blade mastery node even needed? the damage from it is very minimal from looking at the battle analysis no?

[paper garnet]

That little bit goes along way when you are bossing lol

[jovial pawn]

Hi does anyone know if the flashbang skill can debuff damage reflection?

[verbal delta]

it's a trash skill indeed counts for like 3-5% of our total dps... needs a major overhaul imo

[verbal delta]

nope
only stuns/immobilization before it appears and phantom steal can remove/prevent dr

[tame glen]

Does this count as a perfect "secondary" trio?

Or is the base wrong?

[drifting palm]

Yeah but like is the extra node slot for blade mastery justified over another decent node slots for example? I'm using 2 perfect trios without blade mastery and the skill is doing 2.7% of my total dps in lotus. Say even if it goes up to 5% with level 60 nodes, that's only an additional 10b there but I'll have to sacrifice a decent node slots which would affect all my other skills dps lol

[drifting palm]

For real I heard people ditches the skill nodes post battle analysis update when it's revealed how little it contributes

[paper garnet]

I mean if you’re a lower level then yeah focus on the more concentrated dps skills.

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, should i replace the 7th trio into the second images?

[verbal delta]

pouvoir emprunte

[verbal delta]

rope lift? that trio won't help with training so you can swap out ropelift for bossing

[fair ivy]

I used rope lift for ab

But how about the second images is that good ?

[verbal delta]

Not the best but you can still use it for now. Anything to get phantom blow/asura/blade clone to level 60

Don't extract it tho, only extract boost nodes when they're level 25 to get the most return for shards

[fair ivy]

Hi thanks for reply you mean that pb asura and blade clone in 1 trio?

[verbal delta]

1 trio is ideal, but i mean in total level of the skill

sudden raid, blade clone - very minimal impact on overall dps
blade fury - used for training
so these 3 skills aren't really that important when you don't have the luxury of using extra slots for them

[fair ivy]

I used phantom blow, sudden raid and other aoe skill for training is that good? Or i should replace bluade fury instead of phantom blow?

[verbal delta]

i like blade fury bc it's multi-directional
if you have a set party that kills way faster than u and has more pexp, i'd use phantom blow

[fair ivy]

Get it thanks

[fair ivy]

This one is better right?

[verbal delta]

that's pretty good if your blade clone skill is lacking
u can also use it for training

[fair ivy]

So i just change to blade fury for training ya?

Don phantom blow

Because it only hit 1 direction

[verbal delta]

Yup

[fair ivy]

How about the hyper passive ? Blade fury + sudden raid?

[verbal delta]

uh which hyper?

[fair ivy]

Final cut

hyper passive

Can up phantom blow , blade fury and final cut

Passive stats

Only 6 point i can add into them

[verbal delta]

i have 3 in phantom blow
and 2 in final cut (persist, cd cutter). i've been using this since @quartz pivot's comment about it being better for more overall consistent dps

[fair ivy]

I see but your training was using phantom blow right ?

[verbal delta]

right now i still use blade fury for training

i just gave a scenario where phantom blow could be better
there are some DB here that use PB for training, you'd have to test with your SF party to see what's better for you

if you don't have a set training party, just use blade fury

[fair ivy]

Get it , so the hyper passive i still stay with phantom blow + final cut

[verbal delta]

yes

we need it for bossing 😂

[fair ivy]

Oh ya! Can i have your training skill wheel? So i can refer with

[verbal delta]

#1059991969805385729 message

[fair ivy]

Currently i set it tornado with blade fury + asura + blade tempest + blade of destiny

[verbal delta]

Never have asura on training wheel

[fair ivy]

Get it thanks alot for answering my question!

[verbal delta]

Np

[fair ivy]

@verbal delta sorry bro a stupid question , when i enchance this trio , 3 of the skill will increase level also?

[fair ivy]

Or only the first skill will increase level?

[verbal delta]

All 3 will increase

[fair ivy]

thanks bro

[tame glen]

Don’t neccesarily need this node tho? Could just go pb/asura/bc x2?

Like these, these aren’t mine^ just a example

Those are more f2p since they mainly go for bossing i assume, but once db hits necro weap bf kills mobs good eitherway

[jovial pawn]

Alright thanks for the information!

[nimble sinew]

Saw Eddie mentioning pa is pretty important for nw in echo’s podcast, is that the case for db as well?

[fair ivy]

Where you guys watching pro db player in livestream or youtube?

[nimble sinew]

YouTube for me

[quartz pivot]

It has always been the case for clone classes that are not capping their clones. Never changed a bit since day 1. Every stat gain is important for us.

[nimble sinew]

Much appreciated

[quartz pivot]

[verbal delta]

Yep just like elune said every stat matters when ur not capping
It's just some skills weigh more than others in this regard, depending on personal stats

[nocturne briar]

Do we know where DB will stand after v4? I feel we’re kinda lagging behind comparing to other classes

[paper garnet]

2 pro DBs stepped in

[paper garnet]

I’m hoping we would be back to S tier dps after v4

Tired of pallys with 3-5m less MdC than me doing same dps

[verbal delta]

Our v4 is pretty nice
76 lines every 3s, activated w phantom blow usage
Just depends on other revamps between now and then

[nimble sinew]

Anyone tested if abing with pb at higher af maps farms meso/node better?

[paper garnet]

Not lvl 235 yet lol. Only lvl 230 and I’ve been at AF90

90 nodes last week

[nimble sinew]

Sheesh

[verbal delta]

honestly i'd only use it if my party kills faster and/or has more pexp than me
i believe blade fury has a larger hitbox and is multidirectional, and moves during use

[drifting palm]

when roughly is v4 gonna be released ?

[jovial pawn]

Sick! Is the exp better than af170?

[paper garnet]

Yes

[verbal delta]

Anniversary, so late june - july

[restive field]

What’s your drop rate and do you run 22/7?

[paper garnet]

Like 20%

Just DR belt and from exp jewels

[verbal delta]

Speed is more important than DR imo
Cover more ground in less time if farming nodes is your main focus

[restive field]

Even with all 3 mpets

[verbal delta]

with mpets, don't have cygnus link skills on
Speed can help, drop rate is nice if everyone in the party is maximizing it, since you can pick up nodes from your party member's skills, so ideally the highest kpm has most drop rate %

[alpine elk]

ooohh in this video, they have the v2 and v3 change where the cd and motion is more fluid?

[nimble sinew]

Yes that’s why we gotta actively post on feedback channel

[fair ivy]

Hi guys, can i ask a question regarding with v skill currently asura,pb,mastery,blade clone max level already and i have extra 2 slot which i put are blade fury level25 and final cut 25level is this good for end game or i just put either one of it to max level ?

[nimble sinew]

Unless you have extra slots sitting around I don’t think bf and fc is crucial for bossing. I only have the trinode and the rest are buffs since I solo most content.

[drifting palm]

My v matrix is exactly the same as yours. 2 perfect trios + decent buffs give the most dps for the slots

[nimble sinew]

Gonna lay low till v4 and open up all the nodes

Probably gotta sacrifice a buff slot or venom burst to make way for the v4 and a blessing buff

[drifting palm]

Is it just v4 and a blessing buff or 2 blessing buffs?

[nimble sinew]

I believe another blessing is just 4th job skills

[drifting palm]

No v matrix slot for that one then? Nice

Probably sacrifice venom burst and decent sharp eyes then

[nimble sinew]

Yeah, gotta push 230 in the meantime so i can try to switch to trinode with sudden raid and mastery

[drifting palm]

How much damage increase does mastery give at max node lvl? Really underwhelming iirc

[nimble sinew]

I think it’s 2-4% overall dps at any level. Feel like it’s just fomo for clone at this point

[drifting palm]

Guess I'll keep the 2 nodes build till 240 at least then

[jovial pawn]

How much extra does the poisonous venom help to contribute to the overall dps?

[drifting palm]

I've only used it since unlocking the 225 node slots but it does more than blade mastery. Probably around 3-5% overall

[jovial pawn]

Okay cool thanks for the info!

[fair ivy]

thanks for answered my question actually i putting 4 trio to max all of the bossing skill and buff ， and have extra 2 slot for them so just wondering bf or fc is better? Maybe including mobbing?

[fair ivy]

Used blade fury for mobbing

[paper garnet]

lol every time I post a feedback it always gets deleted. But anyone else post something about DBs it stays.

[verbal delta]

Can't post the same message within 24 hours of another

[paper garnet]

Wack

[river lynx]

What is the best bossing rotation to maximize our dmg and lines? I’ve just started with last resort > aa > blade tempest > bd > blade tornado > pb. Then use whatever comes off cool down next. I’m at 14.6 mdc so obviously that is a limiter and I am capping on ark. But is there anything else I can do to squeeze out more dps while I work on mdc?

Here is my ark battle analysis if that helps

[nimble sinew]

I usually check at evening and post if no one else does 😂

But there’s 2 iteration to repeat daily

[nimble sinew]

For me AA, tempest and blade clone will always be the top 3 of my analysis. And depending on length of content, it’s either v2/3 on the following spot or pb

[manic fossil]

what skills do u guys use to AB?

[nimble sinew]

Someone pin it

[warped frigate]

are we still maxing adi before phys dmg in hyper stats?

@verbal delta

[verbal delta]

Yessir

[sour grove]

Hello, for our amors and weapon, any ration on how many pieces to be cd and how many pieces to be ba?

[verbal delta]

at this point in the game, it's not really a deal breaker but having at least 3-4 CD embs and the rest BA is good. you got some DBs with 3 cd embs and others with up to 8.

[paper garnet]

Yeah I’m a mix. I’m half and half Cd / BA

MDC is literally king rn

[sour grove]

Thanks so much.

[warped frigate]

I got one v spot left, should I use venom burst or last resort? @verbal delta

[verbal delta]

Last resort for sure

Passive 1k attack at level 30, and then the 15% FD every 45? seconds is nice

[paper garnet]

Do you leave it on Pet or do you slap it on manually

[verbal delta]

Pet

Try to use when one duration can get both asura and V1 in ideally

[verbal delta]

Congrats @quartz pivot !!! how many tries did it take you?

[quartz pivot]

Thanks! Took me 2 tries. Totally lucked out here 😂

[fair ivy]

Hi guys , should i build exp set with emblem cd or ba?

[fair ivy]

Can stay until end game?

[fair ivy]

5 exp eq with emblem

[paper garnet]

Wow that’s amazing. Lol post some stat photos in here plzzzzzzz

[paper garnet]

Exp set always go for CD emblem

[fair ivy]

Full of cd? Ba not worthy?

[verbal delta]

Ba = boss attack
Useless against normal mobs

[paper garnet]

If you’re using exp set to train yes only CD

[fair ivy]

if 2 in 1 also use on bossing?

[fair ivy]

Ya get it this just consider if i use pen set for bossing as well

[verbal delta]

oh nah, it's different from pc game where they use pen set til cra

for your exp training set, which would be pensalir, ideally CD emb if possible

[fair ivy]

its costly to build 5 pen cd set

[verbal delta]

Some of my set doesn't have emblems I just did it for exp bonus

[fair ivy]

I see usually we need how many cd and ba for bossing?

[verbal delta]

#1059991969805385729 message

[pulsar gull]

I’ve decided to make db my 3rd main 😄 joining the club. It’ll be my last one.

Feeling inspired by u, @verbal delta

[verbal delta]

welcome to db gang

[nimble sinew]

By 3rd main how far are you gearing it and what boss you’re looking to do?

I feel like a second main is more fun than chasing exalt mdc

[pulsar gull]

My first main 23m mdc now

2nd one is 18.5m

This third one I’m not sure. But probably will gear to lotus

I sell necro for a living so the weapon will be necro for sure. Gear idk if I’m gonna make necro armor for him or go full inherit lv50 like my second main.

The cheaper route will be at least clear solo nmag easily to get weekly chaos pieces

I do wanna gear a few alts to collext chaos weekly but definifelt just clean mythic isn’t cutting it. Wondering if anyone had experience w making cháo piece alt

[dull gust]

Hi guys can i check if yall use this for hdamien? Or if there's any use for this. I heard that in pcms it's used to lure damien's dive. Does the hp-scaled damage decrease reduce ticks from orbs?

[verbal delta]

Useless in Damien bc none of the attacks are HP scaled

[nimble sinew]

I’m gearing my old ilm with necro weapon,top bot and rest mythic/legrndary. Soloing Nmag for weekly chaos pieces too. I feel like that’s the cheaper part as you might find cheap necro weapon overtime and the node price now is easier to build for maybe lotus solo. Survival on the other hand is pretty tough

[pulsar gull]

Mythic w good flame n pot or just normal?

How long does it take your ilm to clear nmag?

[nimble sinew]

Pmed you the stats

[dull gust]

Got it thanks!

[fleet wasp]

Anyones db keeping dying like every 5-6h and 2x 24h? Think I have rn 4x ancient and 2 mystic and 1 legend

On sf194

[river lynx]

You setting level 9 pots on 90%?

[viral vigil]

hey guys do you only focus on 3 skill for dual blade or 6 skill for node?

just curous

like should i do
Blade clone, Phantom, Asura
Blade Fury, Sudden raid, and Final Cut?

[verbal delta]

Focus on pb/bc/asura first
When you get more room later on the matrix to play around with, you can incorporate the last trio for minimum gains (you get room after 230 or 235, depending on content). You can always switch out to the 2nd trio when you train as well

[dire tundra]

Any db pros can pm me? Need some advice and analysis on eq to cap dmg. Will pm you eq,stats,nodes,hyper

[sonic star]

@dire tundra post here bro so i can see the advice too

sharing is caring

[sonic star]

@verbal delta do we db use cra top/btm or outfit?

[verbal delta]

Endgame every class will use outfit

[sonic star]

Ah ok

I am having a dilema if i should make cra top/btm for sf or purchase a necro outfit

Or should i be looking at other items

[verbal delta]

If you have the resources available for an outfit, you can get one
If it'll take time to make/buy one, use a cra top/bot as a placeholder and sell them later or turn them into a radiant stone

[dire tundra]

Haha I don’t wanna flood this main chat tho

[dire tundra]

Don’t mind me pming you for advice?

To DB pros, need help and advice on how further consistently cap dmg

[nimble sinew]

Do you have a hard time capping with your stat at full buff?

Some work on flaming, probably better to start rolling away from exp now

Maybe start working on necro outfit once you plan to work on exalting your top bottom

Please tell those aren’t necro 30 😬

[dire tundra]

They’re all Necro 40

[dire tundra]

Yeah sometimes, how do you define full buff? 50% patk, pdmg & ba food?

[dire tundra]

Aside from flaming to max hp/ba, what else should I work on to consistently cap?

[nimble sinew]

And tangyoon or boss rush

Tbh from what I could estimate you should be able to hit your cap consistently on main lines with these stat

[dire tundra]

Doesn’t 30% pdmg food override tangyoon?

Like the baby chic and jellyfish salad doesn’t stack yes?

[sonic star]

what stat choice should i choose for necro outfit

[drifting palm]

Tangyoon buffs stack with the 30%s or 50%s buffs

So usually full buffed means at least the 4 buffs (30cd, 30pd, 30/50ba, 30/50pa) and 2 tangyoons (20pd, 20ba)

[sonic star]

anyone can advise what options do i select for necro outfit? is it crit atk or EVD?

[drifting palm]

Take evd for Necro and then ba for abso

[sonic star]

oh

evd?

why not crit atk tho

any reasoning

[verbal delta]

Since you'll be using Fairtrade everywhere but hard Damien, you don't need the Crit atk

When it comes to hard Damien, your current Crit atk, Crit rate and team composition will probably be enough

[sonic star]

i see thanks

[sonic star]

I was watching edduh latest video and wondering why he has all cd emblem on his gears

Then his BA is still so high at 200%

Where are his BA sources coming from

[verbal delta]

set bonuses, passive skills, individual guild skills, potentials, jewels, link skills, armour souls, high level msw

[sonic star]

Ahhh

I thought normally ppl go for fd soul

[verbal delta]

I'm just citing examples where most get BA from, most endgame players will opt for fd souls, but i have seen ba heavy flame builds use ba souls instead

[sonic star]

Oh i see so its base on what kind of flame stat

[verbal delta]

yeah it's common to see
fd souls - blue jewels - hp/mp flames
ba souls - purple jewels - ba flames
when people try to maximize their flame build

but imo ba/hp/mp are all good, chasing a specific double line is very expensive and not worth the cost

unless you got the money to burn... then do you

[pulsar gull]

I’d say that crit dmg is also viable. It’s usually the same scaling as my mp. Ba and hp scaling are very similar for me right now and are the two most ideal.

[verbal delta]

Yeah CD is not that bad either after they buffed the amount on armours and weapon

[pulsar gull]

Yea my cd scaling has been solid

[north vigil]

Guys, I have been thinking about funding a DB for solo bossing purposes, would you guys recommend it?

I love the skills animation but don't know much about DB's post 200 and bossing power

Like if you can help me out by listing the pros and cons that'd be great

[nimble sinew]

Db has 3 iframes and mobile burst skill is a pretty boss friendly design imo

If I had to sacrifice, which between Pa/pa% has less impact? Trynna roll some hp/% in but can’t decide which part to start with

[verbal delta]

Probably belt and hat you can do first
Rings
Android
Outfit/shoes

I wouldn't touch gloves/pendant/earrings unless you really need to for hp

[nimble sinew]

Thanks! Was working on hat and wondering what’s next

Will probably do pocket along with rings

[verbal delta]

Right I forgot about pocket that's a good choice

[dire tundra]

Anyone knows of any vt vids for db v4?

Tried searching can’t find

[nimble sinew]

https://youtu.be/a4fNz1E_hfk?si=JTcnTx70a8Tn10AF

Or just moonbean’s v4 compilation

[paper garnet]

Wonder what’s that spider web looking buff skill

[verbal delta]

Special skill node u get from Will

[paper garnet]

[paper garnet]

@verbal delta you think this combo is good ?

[verbal delta]

That'll probably be something we'll use with v4

Since you'll be using PB to activate haunting edge in between the other skills with >3s CD

[nimble sinew]

I saw this and wonder why he didn’t start with pb and only cast it after v1

Can’t wait to have pb as our top contributor

[paper garnet]

Yeah his dmg is so consistent it’s insane.

[nimble sinew]

Have a feeling Nexon is just gonna skip the db rebalance altogether until v4 so we won’t know if the class is good or bad because of v4

[paper garnet]

Yeah I don’t know just have v4 by July or else ima quit and sell everything. Going on a strike

[nimble sinew]

Late June to early July for the past 3 v skill so shouldn’t be far off this time

[drifting palm]

Or better, just release it for the June update. Got 800 nodes ready for v4 and I'm having trouble keeping my fingers in check

[sweet monolith]

How many nodes does it takes to make a v skills?

[drifting palm]

150 node shards so if you're that unlucky, it'll be 15. But you could just get the v skills from opening the nodes or extracting other skill nodes give 40 shards.

[sweet monolith]

800 node stones should be more than enough to max v4 right? lol

[verbal delta]

Should be enough unless you get really unlucky

Definitely sucks we probably need to open the most nodes

[paper garnet]

450 nodes so far and counting. Lol

[pulsar gull]

O.o someone told me we needed way more to level the new goddess skill too. So I stock up 1200

[verbal delta]

500-800 is good for 1 v skill depending on the class
So yes you'd need more if you're trying to max both skills on day1

[paper garnet]

Time to load up 3000 nodes

Max decent nodes too

[verbal delta]

Buy some for me too

[covert forge]

@quartz pivot Is there any tips on how your team managed to clear Lucid without any issues with trumpet?

https://youtu.be/B8VZvHEnm8I?si=XnreUcVEM3KaYVaB

[nimble sinew]

https://youtu.be/1psTzqONtkU?si=VbH_OqQ7H0Aod7yM

[quartz pivot]

If my understanding is correct, there are pretty specific timings / checkpoints which the trumpet has to be activated. I think you can try following those timings in the video itself. However, as the trumpet charges depends on the team’s overall dps, you probably have to experiment a little to get the hang of it.

[paper garnet]

lol they don’t care about what we have to say

[verbal delta]

yeah looks like they just gonna do all the rebalancing at once with V4, the last few patches have been so lacklustre

[verbal delta]

will be diff for mobile, our v4 is quite better than v2 and v3

[nimble sinew]

Ya v4 looks sick here

[drifting palm]

V3 is especially underwhelming. Hopefully our v4 will make up for the lack of damage

[nimble sinew]

I mentioned that because other kmsm db or even his sequence on other boss doesn’t look like that

[drifting palm]

This is definitely what I have in mind to maximize v4 uptime

The second pic. Although might reduce the time aa is on with ds4

[sour lake]

Hello, need help with passive hypers, where do I put the points after 3 on pb?

[warped frigate]

Final Cut persist and cd cutter

[sour lake]

Ty

[sour grove]

Hi, how many nodestone needed to be stocked for upcoming v4?

[paper garnet]

3000 is ideal

[sour grove]

Thanks, do we need to redo the 2 slots node?

[paper garnet]

Jk about 3k but probably 6-800 nodes lol

What do you mean redo 2 slot nodes

[sour grove]

Currently im maxed with this

[paper garnet]

You’re good with that. I have 3 trios

[sour grove]

Hello, whats the nodes for auto battle?

[nimble sinew]

Don’t think anyone build for ab, mostly using the by product of bossing node with combination of blade fury, sudden raid and maybe blade mastery.

I actually opted for phantom blow during ab to ‘move’ more

[drifting palm]

Do you actually move more / get more nodes using pb rather than blade fury on ab?

[nimble sinew]

32. Fixed an issue where during Root Abyss ‘Pierre’ content by a Dual Blade character, getting the Pierre’s hat on while ‘Mirror Image’ skill’s on would display the skill effect abnormally.

DB mentioned 📈📈📈🗣️🗣️🗣️🗿🗿🗿🗿

[nimble sinew]

I actually have nothing but copium to show for 😂

[hexed hull]

Abnormally, meaning naked.

[quartz pivot]

@verbal delta Saw Mushie's recently uploaded video. Is there beef between mushie and that other evan ? 😂

Didn't seem like friendly banter to me

[verbal delta]

Lmao they're very good friends 😂 our guild just has a lot of ppl who like to trash talk mushie sometimes, so a lot of ppl were betting on the other evan to win

[quartz pivot]

Ahhh i see! Please tell him to keep em coming. Love such videos 🔥

[verbal delta]

We got a phantom vs evan 1v1 lotus coming this week 🙏

[quartz pivot]

Littttt

[paper garnet]

Can V4 come any sooner

[bright thorn]

Pretty excited for the arrival of V4!

What should be the order of leveling our V skills including V4?

[drifting palm]

Hopefully v4 will restore us to our former glory

[drifting palm]

Ideally you'll max all v skills but prioritize v1 > v4 > v2 > v3

[nimble sinew]

Sadly the truth is kmsm rebalance > v4 now. Can’t believe they even leave out db during the rebalance bug right after patch

[bright thorn]

With 4 v skills being the same level, would you recommend using experience nodestones evenly among all of them or focus on v1?

[drifting palm]

U mean later on when v4 is released? Depends on whether you're still planning to buy more nodestones in the future. But definitely prioritize on maxing v1, the dps increase is huge.

I maxed my v1 early on and left my v2 and v3 at 13 and didn't bother using exp nodes on them yet. I have a lot of nodestones stacked that I'll open once they release v4 and then probably use the exp nodes to max whichever skills that are not yet maxed after. Or if you're feeling 🐳 enough then max your vskills with normal nodestones alone and keep exp nodes for decent buffs

[noble ginkgo]

Ooo what rebalance did they have?

[verbal delta]

blade tempest goes from 30s to 2min cd, with increased line count to make up for it
blade clone gets 100% uptime
blades of destiny and blade tornado have the same cd, and 30% delay reduction in animation when used together

[noble ginkgo]

Oooo thanks!! Oh wells hopefully we will receive this rebalance as well

[verbal delta]

Hopefully with v4 update 🤞

[quartz pivot]

Db would be ridiculously broken if this were to happen. Not that I mind though

[drifting palm]

Only rightfully so, no? tired of getting out-dps by everyone with few millions mdc lower

[paper garnet]

lol we can only all hope. But I want to be broken 🥲 we need to be S tier again

[pulsar gull]

Will the increase in line count make up an equivalent amount of line with increased line?

Like how a lot of the v skill are getting shorter cooldown but also shorter buff duration to condense burst, but overall it’s slightly more line.

[verbal delta]

Don't think so but overall dps goes up, because of the other changes

[dire tundra]

Hi db pros, is db a crit based char? Heard that its skill % is low compared to other classes. Should I build more cd or ba or have a good balance of both?

[verbal delta]

Let's hope they don't fok up our v4

[nimble sinew]

Me ignoring any teaser Nexon is throwing so they don’t know I’m dying for a good v4

[drifting palm]

Omg finally. When is the update coming?

[nimble sinew]

The copium is patch note tonight

Reality is always the mid week after maple m tv

[noble ginkgo]

Will db move up in dps rankings after v4?

[paper garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hope-so-kodak-black-im-hoping-gif-13096278

[verbal delta]

next wed/thurs

[green magnet]

It should be 27th June

[paper garnet]

Who is ready for v4 ?!?!?

[verbal delta]

https://tenor.com/view/curly-gif-3150847328052340860

[pulsar gull]

How is dmg calculated? What’s the formula?

[verbal delta]

Damage to normal mob = ATK * skill% * (1 + DMG%) * (1 + FD%) * (1 + ATK%)

Damage to Bosses = ATK * skill% * (1 + DMG%) * (1 + FD%) * (1 + ATK% + skill% * BossATK%)

Critical Damage = Non-critical damage * (1 + Critical Damage% + 0.2)

[pulsar gull]

Thank you

Does that make pd% and fd% similar?

What’s the ideal ba to aim for (after rolling ba on accessories and guild skill and mlabel 3+3 and hyperstat and what not) before investing the rest in cd?

[verbal delta]

1. Yes
2. Depends on your specific classes' skill damage

[pulsar gull]

Let’s say a class with lowest skill% at 50% or some clone classes, and a class with lowest skill% at 100%

[verbal delta]

Generally the higher your skill %, the better BA is, and the opposite is true for CD
Since they can buff/Nerf skill damage with any patch, you'll only be at the "ideal" amount for a certain period of time, and it's something I wouldn't get caught up with. With 4/4 ba/cd emblems most classes can get to >190% BA and >520% CD with near (lv50) endgame gears

At this point in the game, stressing over ba/cd min maxing is a waste of time, imo

[pulsar gull]

I’m 4:4 and at 190ba and 430cd

My ADI line is lower than a similar stat friend w 150ba and 500cd

Hence I think for Evan, we need more cd to reach our potential on the smaller line

[verbal delta]

Adi hyperstat might be a bit different, since you'll see that it still misses from time to time when none of our other lines do. So it could be calculated differently or involve other factors

You would have to compare every stat difference, level difference l, boss tested, and take that into account

[pulsar gull]

He’s a nw. 5 level above me. Do his ADI is maxed versus mine. It def could have had an impact based off of that. But we were comparing it in the same run. And I forgot is he has br on or not, but I did

I’m 218 and he’s 223

[verbal delta]

I would find a similar level Evan to compare to

[nimble sinew]

https://youtu.be/Va1NrxwVzV0?si=Hxk4I7yF4tfntF4B

Cd/Interval confirmation

[sweet monolith]

4s?

[paper garnet]

It’s in the video ?

[nimble sinew]

ya I believe the :45 timer is showing 2 continuous proc of v4

[sonic star]

can someone advise me if i should go full cd route or 6:2?
currently i got 3 necro pieces. wep, outfit and hat all are cd

[drifting palm]

No rebalance this patch

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[verbal delta]

They usually post FB pictures on Monday, Tuesday (america dates) of rebalancing so if there's nothing tomorrow then probably no rebalancing

[quartz pivot]

The equivalent V skill update patch of last year also featured no rebalance in maple m tv but the patch notes had a massive rebalance for numerous classes.

Put it simply, they're just lazy to put all the content in maple m tv.

[paper garnet]

This update needs to come already

[nocturne briar]

With the rumored new cap increase, are we gonna fall further behind because we already have trouble capping our clone lines?
We desperately need the rebalance even more now ..

[verbal delta]

Can't say anything until we see the patch notes

[paper garnet]

The calm before the storm.

This patch is about to be crazy. So much content. I love it.

[nimble sinew]

taiwan stream did not show the buff bar nor line count during db showcase

we'll see if tsukki does

[hexed hull]

I missed half the stream, did she show dB? If nothing changes I feel like we're about to be weak af compared to others, especially with the mdc inc.

[quartz pivot]

Db was not featured. She did mention about class rebalance though, so fingers crossed we're included in this round.

[verbal delta]

I feel like we'll get the "cd starts as soon as u press the skill change" so that'll mean 2min cd V1, cuz they probably wouldn't leave it at 30s lol

[quartz pivot]

we need way more rebalance than just this 😂

[nimble sinew]

Nexon: challenge accepted

[verbal delta]

oh yeah i mean it's a good indication we'll get the other changes

we'll see in 8-9 hrs or so

[nimble sinew]

Btw Does this take away the ds3/4 swap utility?

[verbal delta]

it shouldn't since it only applies to certain 170, V skills

[nimble sinew]

Feel like it’s more friendly for noob fingers like mine to perform without the ds swapping since the main burst v1 and 170 cooldown is both divisible by 30s cooldown of ds4

[verbal delta]

Yeah i never ds swapped personally, since the main advantage is to do it for SC

[verbal delta]

Oh I see what you meant, they added cd for special nodes @nimble sinew yeah that means no more switching

[nimble sinew]

I actually didn’t know about that 😂 purely asking based on skill cooldown cycle

That’s good to know

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[paper garnet]

Where’s the patch notes

[sharp cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[drifting palm]

Patch is out boys

https://forum.nexon.com/MapleStoryMGlobal/board_view?board=2690&thread=2590265

They implemented the kmsm buffs. Not sure what asuras anger total damage would be? Increased line but significant decrease in skill dmg

[paper garnet]

Summary

Plz

[nocturne briar]

We got all the KMS rebalance and clones are reworked

[nocturne briar]

I think it should be more or less the same as before, with increased hit count it compensates for the clone dmg reduction

[drifting palm]

Only one way to find out

Massive increase in mdc wtf

[nocturne briar]

And our blade clone has no cooldown anymore, v2v3 got lines increased too to compensate I think. So overall it’s a big improvement

[drifting palm]

Yeah and we have v1 as our crazy burst now

[sonic star]

but our skill dmg got decrease tho

how is that an improvement

is it because of the additional amount of lines?

[jovial pawn]

How much difference is it with the clones dealing 70% dmg, but with a damage cap?

[nocturne briar]

I don’t think the increased hit counts compensates for the increased CD, CD increased 4 times, hit count only by 2.5

[paper garnet]

Damn

Asura down 140%

That seems a lot only extra 3 line

[nocturne briar]

Should still be full cap I think

[void garnet]

Thought of the pro ? @verbal delta

[drifting palm]

Yeah saw that, but I think the IED is also increased. And I guess more importantly it improves our one shot potential for lower bosses and we only need to use it once every 2 mins instead of 4 times. That's 3x7 sec more time for phantom blow and v4 procs. Idk maybe it makes up for it

[jovial pawn]

How much damage cap will the clones have?

[alpine elk]

LETS GOOO

DB'S UP

[drifting palm]

Yeah I would like to think that it prolly won't make a difference since asura has always capped anyway but then they increasing the mdc by quite a lot. 3m base mdc bonus, alot more from mag souls for weap and also mdc from gears went up by like 1.5x

[paper garnet]

I’m just waiting to test Max lvl V4

760 nodes on standby today boys !!!

[drifting palm]

1.2k ready huhu

25 exp nodes too

We also have the shared class skill for more final dmg and CD. Not sure if it scales to level

[paper garnet]

Dang I thought I had enough.

[jovial pawn]

What is this shared class skill?

[paper garnet]

Wow didn’t notice. Blades of destiny. 96 hit count now

@quartz pivot how you feeling about this rebalance ?

@verbal delta wake your ass up

[hexed hull]

From what I'm seeing and hearing, this is HUGE and we're strong af again. I'm soooo effing happy.

[sour grove]

I hope your seeing and hearing is truth. I am dreaming for tomorrow after patch now.

[paper garnet]

Patch is today my friend

[paper garnet]

Yeah no it sounds good. Extra 18 lines for our V1. That will be our main burst now and 70% for clones

[sour grove]

Its tomorrow for me, already 10.56pm now 🫤

My friend once told me to go Phantom, but i like dual blade, i hope db is strong now

[paper garnet]

We are strong again with v4

I was going to RR to phantom too but I kept going with DB

[hexed hull]

I was almost considering quitting again if they didn't fix us today. Helllll no we are good, especially with blade clone.

[paper garnet]

Yes

50 % delay reduction now

[verbal delta]

Insane buffs, finally caught up with the missing rebalances . With the max damage, clone changes, and V4, we'll be a lot higher in the job ranking tiers

[paper garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-leonardo-dicaprio-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-5271427

Who is ready to boss tomorrow !!

[jovial pawn]

For the shadow partner, it is a slight nerf because they limit the cap right?

[paper garnet]

[nocturne briar]

What’s the most optimal rotation now? V4 > V1 > V4 > asura etc?

[verbal delta]

Yes, for those players who closer/at endgame, it's a nerf. But our DPS will be so different after the patch, can't really complain

[sonic star]

with the clone changes, would it be wise to go 6:2 in emblem ratio compared to full CD?

[paper garnet]

This is it guys. After patch and we still suck. Time to all leave this channel and go to NW

[dire tundra]

Does the sequence matter if you chain BOD + BT

[verbal delta]

I think having at least 4 would be good, anything else just depends on your funds
We'll be getting more FD from v4 common skill, and with your current stats, you might be able to cap your skills since we don't really have to worry about capping clones anymore

[paper garnet]

I have a video of someone

If I can find it I’ll post

With the v4 in rotation

[verbal delta]

I believe they always chain BoD -> BT

[paper garnet]

@nimble sinew think you have the video months ago of someone doing the training ground with v4 rotation

[verbal delta]

there's also this pic
#1059991969805385729 message

i'll probably change my preset to put PB first, just to get that v4 in first

pre boss start for dps combo: final cut, shadow walker, dark sight, last resort, maple warrior

fight starts: pb/v4 -> flashbang (optional) -> venom burst -> sudden raid -> pb/v4 -> v2/v3 -> pb/v4 -> blade tempest -> pb/v4 -> asura -> pb/v4
repeat

something like this

[nocturne briar]

I think you might be able to fit the venom, sr and v2/v3 within one v4 proc cycle, because like this you might have 3-4second delay before actually going asura and v1

Pretty much same as pic1 from what you referred to

[verbal delta]

I really hate that wind up for asura, it's like trying to start a lawnmower

But yeah we can do some testing in fog forest post patch

[paper garnet]

I still feel like after you let off PB,v4 I’d go straight into V1 and Asura

Just to maximize DS4

[verbal delta]

Yeah that's true

[jolly valve]

my db survived the culling

[paper garnet]

Wth

What are you doing in here ?

You’re not a DualBlade …..

[jolly valve]

This says otherwise

I got a two piece mc necro f2p style

[nimble sinew]

Sheeeeesh we getting the full package of 150 0 cd and clone revamp

[verbal delta]

New main?

[verbal delta]

Christmas came early

[jolly valve]

Funding it one lotus leech at a time

[paper garnet]

lol ohh did you take Nero’s acc ?

Dang now I gotta compete with you in scania too ? Smh

[jolly valve]

Nah I ain’t that serious lol. It’s for fun and no

[nimble sinew]

Screw v4, imma do this first thing post patch

[nimble sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-baby-goal-funny-face-gif-13347383

v4 blade fury felt nice during ab

[paper garnet]

V4 maxed 🎯

Wow this new mdc increase is insane.

Ark under 30 seconds

[sweet monolith]

How many node did you opened?

[nimble sinew]

370 node only me to level 4

[nimble sinew]

any line count testing senpai

[sonic star]

For nodes, do we extract skill nodes at lvl 25 too? For duplicates

[paper garnet]

760 nodes and I had 5-6 exp nodes

I opened everything and lvled them up. Didn’t care if it was lvl 25 lol just extracted everything.

Well they all end up being mostly lvl 17+

[paper garnet]

Haven’t tested. I’ll leave that to the real senseis @verbal delta @quartz pivot @grizzled grotto

[quartz pivot]

I tested 23893 lines in 3mins. But prob not optimised yet, still trying to get used to the skill rotations.

[nimble sinew]

btw is 3 minute still a thing?

although fog is still 3 minute maximum, but with all cooldown reduced from 180 to 120 across all class

feels better with v1 set at 120 haha

[hexed hull]

Agree. Everything feels amazing tbh.

[nocturne briar]

Huge gain here, at guild dungeon about 1.8x increase with little buff

We need more patches like these 😁

[sharp cargo]

2 min

[noble ginkgo]

Do our v4 have clone lines?

[jovial pawn]

Wow blade tempest is higher than Asura?

[nimble sinew]

Phantom blow yes, blade fury no

[noble ginkgo]

Oh, thanks!!

[bright thorn]

Need some advice.
If i have v1 at lvl 17 and v4 at lvl 4, should i still prioritise exp nodes for v1 first then v4?

[verbal delta]

I personally saved all my exp nodes, in the future Will has a skill node that'll only be levelled from exp nodes or if he drops the node during boss fights

Class feels amazing post patch

https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

[bright thorn]

What does that skill do?

Yea loving the changes

[verbal delta]

iirc it's like weapon aura, 600 lines per use

Reduced cd the higher the lvl

[noble ginkgo]

Our v4 isit 2k+ lines in 2mins?

[verbal delta]

Yes

Look at the ss above from Matina

They tested 2, 3 min interval

[void garnet]

So now BT is our strongest burst with PB ?

New pre set incoming since v4 is in the picture now ?

[pine meteor]

any link for the thief discord?

[nimble sinew]

V4 it’s additional “proc” when using pb, so just do what you usually do but lesser(v1 cast) but deal more dmg in comparison

[jovial pawn]

Sorry what's this exp nodes?

[civic basalt]

Managed to do a 24803 hit count for 3 mins

[quartz pivot]

Apparently there's a bug with the new hold-down feature that causes the PB to be significantly lower than expected. With the bugged hold down feature I casted 220x PB or a total of 23800ish lines. I reverted back to manual tap and got 237x PB or 24880 lines in 3mins. Conclusion: Do not use that hold down feature.

[sonic star]

When u all do all these testing

Do u guys change the level of the dummy and def?

[paper garnet]

Was that just now after patch ?

I felt like PB was a little slow last night

[quartz pivot]

The bug was before the patch. Not sure if it was fixed.

[nimble sinew]

Don’t think it matters when we just wanna see raw line count

[sonic star]

Oh

[quartz pivot]

Update: The bug appears to be fixed. I redid with the hold down feature (post patch) and my line count actually improved even further. 25035 lines now.

[nocturne briar]

What skill rotation did you use?

[thin minnow]

What is the hold down feature?

[quartz pivot]

Precast v2 and v3 > pb + v4 > asura / v1

[quartz pivot]

Literally hold down the button to simulate repeated taps

[sonic star]

After asura or v1 should we use pb again for procs of v4?

[quartz pivot]

Definitely. Key idea is to proc v4 whenever it’s off cd as far as possible

[sonic star]

Nice ok

Ty

[thin minnow]

Thank you

[primal violet]

Hello, when do yall trigger last resort?

[paper garnet]

Oh wow that’s new

I didn’t know that

[paper garnet]

Hey what’s your skill rotation looking like for the FOG training

[sour grove]

Hello, can anyone shed some light, what does v1 v2 v3 v4 means? Like someone is explaining v1 first then pb asura, but v1 is which skill? What I know is when I am 200, just find the perfect trio and level them max 🫤

[warped frigate]

V1 blade tempes, v2 blade of destiny, v3 blade tornado, v4 the new one that just came out haunted edge

[sour grove]

Now its clear! Thank you so much, screenshoted!

Hopefully someone can share bossing skill wheel 🥰

[nimble sinew]

It’s pinned somewhere here I believe, skill wheel didn’t change for db coz it’s a passive

[pulsar gull]

I find that for me (Evan) the hold down makes me hit less. 55 use count manually vs 51 with hold down. Are u experiencing a similar issue?

[nimble sinew]

hold down feels damn good for me

[native bough]

Anyone know if hold down work for other skills that’s preset with PB?

[verbal delta]

Yessir it works

[pulsar gull]

I’m loving this hold down

Amazing qol change for us 30yo players who are at risk for arthritis

[verbal delta]

back in my shadower days, we would manually cast meso explosion while bossing with assassinate, that was true cancer . this change will def help eliminate whatever chance we had of getting arthritis though 🙏

[pulsar gull]

I can’t wait to get my db to 200

Only got 500 nodes on him but will go nice n slow w him

[verbal delta]

might need 2000

17 boost nodes = WOAT class to open nodes for

[pulsar gull]

Woat?

[verbal delta]

worst of all time

[pulsar gull]

Lol yea

I usually stock 900 nodes to make sure it’s max boost nodes at least

Seems like w maple goddess n v4 I’ll need a bit more

Just an alt so I’m taking it slow. Not buying during this nodestone price surge

Do u find at lower level and not consistently capping , that decent skill is more important than things like last resort and maple goddess buff?

[verbal delta]

really will come down to the boss fight, if it's over in a minute then for sure last resort, maple goddess. over 3mins probably the decent skills for more consistent dps. last resort also gives passive 1k attack though so that's nice at max lvl

[pulsar gull]

That’s what I’ve been running on my lower level alt

2 boost nodes lv25, all v skill, and any slot left go into decent sharp eye firsts then combat order then speed infusion

[nocturne briar]

If we account for clones.. and multiply by 0.85, does that still mean we’re bottom tier?

[nimble sinew]

What’s .85?

[civic basalt]

Ur main lines 100% clone line 70% add up and divide accordingly

[nimble sinew]

Ooh, but most class has ‘clone’ lines now. Averages out I think

[void bear]

Who can help me with my vmtrix I'm level 217 just

[verbal delta]

I'd take the matrix points off of v2 and put them on v4

If your asura caps and blade clone doesn't, then you can take points off the 2nd boost node and put them on the 3rd

[paper garnet]

Looks pretty good to me

But yeah lean towards v4 more

[pine meteor]

Any suggestions? Some times I play with hb or w/o and use speed infusion or w/o venom and used speed infusion

[void bear]

OK bro then I will follow the indications

[verbal delta]

Hm it might be better to remove the matrix points off of v2, v3, and 1 on v4 to max all your boost nodes but with the IED change, this is something you'll have to test out yourself, either in ark+ bossing or fog forest w/def setting.
Other than that, I'd finish maxing v skills as v1>v4>v2/v3

[native bough]

Hey @verbal delta whats your 12 link skills to optimize damage? Also for legion do you have PD and BA?

[verbal delta]

1. explorer thief (self skill) 3x
   archers 3x
   adele
   evan
   warriors 3x
   Hoyoung
   pirates 3x
   resistance 4x
   ds
   da
   xenon
   cadena
   sia
2. yes pd and ba

[native bough]

Thank you!

[pulsar gull]

@verbal delta with the recent changes to clone, does that mean if you can reach cap with your main line, you’ll reach cap with your clone now?

[verbal delta]

Not necessarily, because pre-patch you could cap your main line but not cap your clone. It's just become a lot easier to do so now, last I checked in fog forest the other day, I was capping (clone included) basically every skill but ADI hyperstat

[pulsar gull]

Well, someone told me for merc n nw clone (70 50 30), that’s also their cap

So if it’s calculated as 30% of my final dmg, so wouldn’t it mean that if I hit cap, I’m also gonna get the full 30% ?

[native bough]

@verbal delta I currently have full SS PD blue jewels. Is PD jewels better or should I work on BA ones?

[verbal delta]

Oh sorry, your'e right, since the clone is now based on actual damage and not mdc. So you would be hitting your mdc

[pulsar gull]

So essentially that clone gives us 1.5 worth of capped clone line (30+50+70)

[verbal delta]

I still use blue PD since it was my lowest stat, and my flame build isn't fully BA, moreso towards HP. If you got almost all BA flames, it's probably better to go the purple route

[verbal delta]

yeah if you added them like that

[native bough]

Ty!

[pulsar gull]

That nerfed it prett hard. Compared to 4 possible clone back then albeit harder to cap

[verbal delta]

Yep it definitely hurts NW a lot

[humble yew]

Hello! Can anyone guide on what are the perfect trios for DB? Don’t really understand nodes

Is this a perfect trio? Compared to the pinned the order looks different

So I need to get the same one but in another different order?

[nimble sinew]

Yes that’s good enough, focus on this 3 skills for now will do until you hit damage cap then expand into blade mastery for minor late game upgrade

[humble yew]

Expand meaning? To have another trio slot but with blade mastery?

[nimble sinew]

Ya mix the trio slot with mastery like what the other has shown

[humble yew]

Hmm I don’t really understand by any chance you have a pic to refer to?

[nimble sinew]

For my case, I’m struggling with slot so I just kept using 2 trinode

[nimble sinew]

Otherwise this is the optimum setup to max 4 skills

[humble yew]

I don’t see mastery though, don’t really understand that guide

[nimble sinew]

His 2. Here is mastery

[humble yew]

Oh so we are looking to max 4 skills and the way to max them is to have them on 2 nodes each. However the 4 skills that are relevant are

Blade clone
Phantom blow
Asura
Blade mastery

Am I getting the understanding right?

[nimble sinew]

Yes

At earlier stage you might need extra trinode to fill up the level to max it at level 60(only until you open enough nodes that you get to use 2 level 25 node with level 5 node slot to cap it)

Coz node sucks for db with 16-17 variations

[humble yew]

GG I don’t understand this comment either hahah

Max level for nodes is level 60?

I always thought it’s 50. And what are variations?

[hexed hull]

The slot itself can get 5 points max. So if your trio is lvl 25, the slot gives it 5 making it 30. If you have phantom blow on one trio, and phantom blow on another trio, both lvl 25 with both slots lvl 5, that's lvl 30+30 for both of those trios. All 3 skills would be 60.

Notice how the trio says lvl 25 but the slot enhanced it by 5 points.

[humble yew]

Ahhh okay that is clear I understand it now thanks a lot!

[quartz pivot]

Just wondering who are the top performers in your respective servers and worlds ? Specifically which class and what ghb score ?

[crimson basalt]

Just GHB specifically?

[quartz pivot]

Yeah specifically ghb

[crimson basalt]

I'm from A2Z, there's like only one person who is the absolute king in GHB in that world lol

Rubedo, i think last season he did 1.9 trillion

Demon Slayer

[nimble sinew]

The guild mates haha

[green magnet]

👀

Yeah he is my guildmate lol

He doesn’t have to worry about me

[native bough]

Anyone else also experiencing my share of unluckiness where I’ve opened thousands of nodestones so far and still can’t land a single perfect trio?

[river lynx]

Curse of db nodes

[native bough]

Dang I wish I knew this sooner instead of keep pulling nodes. Thank you tho!

[warped frigate]

I opened close to 700 nodes, my v4 still lv10

And get this

Lv17 for v1 😂

[ember rose]

Now with v4, is it still worth it to use flash bang?

I hate the delay in attacks whenever flash bang is available for use.

[verbal delta]

I took it off

We're basically capping everything anyways

[sterile rivet]

Can i see the preset you're using ? Tks

[verbal delta]

pb > venom > sudden raid > soul summon

[bright thorn]

May i know your thoughts on pb > fc > v2 > v3?

[nimble sinew]

Depending on content I think the end gamer use fc as I frame survivability since they prolly don’t rely on that fd during Damien+ content

[verbal delta]

I like to keep FC separate for the reason EJ said, it's a clutch iframe to use when needed. I keep v2/v3 preset on another button in case there's something like DR, and the preset can be used to track DS4 timing

[pulsar gull]

Hey ajit, has this new patch made pretty much clone class easily cappable now? Since all clones are based on fd and with low to mid tier funding you can easily cap nowadays

[verbal delta]

Looks to be that way, mdc is the most important stat now

assuming they don't have some further rebalancing coming up soon

[pulsar gull]

Have you seen anything else from kmsm?

Looks like kmsm have a lot more hp than us. Hopefully they give us more ways to raise our hp

[verbal delta]

Their stats system is a lot more diff, so if anything they'll just scale boss hp and attack dmg

rebalance wise, i just know there's a change for lumi they can make, haven't read much into anything else

[pulsar gull]

I was kinda scared before when I start my db journey

Feels better now since if that’s the case, I’m willing to fund my db to hit cap

[verbal delta]

Rn it seems like every class is doing about the same dps with roughly the same max dmg, might vary depending on boss duration but it's pretty close

only class i've seen that seems to be noticeably ahead of everyone with same/less mdc is NL

[pulsar gull]

Yea it seems like that’s the direction they’re taking to make every class do similar dps, even support

I don’t play NL so i don’t understand their skill too much but are they one of the big winner of this patch?

[verbal delta]

probably the biggest winner

[pulsar gull]

I just know they suffer the same fate as merc before. Buff up and burst 1 min. Then u fall of very hard for the next 2 min.

[verbal delta]

they seem to be rly good now for every boss better than merc for sure in that regard

[pulsar gull]

Damn when is it my time to shineeee

[nimble sinew]

Would you recommend hoyoung over sia link skill? Sounds like fix vs burst

[verbal delta]

I'd probably use Sia skill

[dire tundra]

Hi anyone has maxed haunted edge? Can send a ss of the stats it gives for lvl25?

[dire tundra]

Is venom and sudden raid worth putting in a boss skill wheel?

They don’t do much dmg, thinking of the timing opportunity cost to cast another pb

[nocturne briar]

They don’t do much but venom is worth it through DoT, and sudden raid decreases the CD of final cut, which is an iframe, so quite essential during certain bosses

[drifting palm]

Think it was 510 skill DMG in kmsm

Or I might have hallucinate that

[paper garnet]

Perfectly said. Plus gives us that 3 seconds before Haunted edge activates again anyways

[dire tundra]

How many nodes did you open to reach max v4?

[dire tundra]

Hmm but issit worth the slot to replace maple world goddess or dse/dsi?

I’m in the low 210-215 range with limited node slots

[nimble sinew]

If you’re not capping then probably decent skills or buffs are better

Vb is adding on whatever you’re already capping

[drifting palm]

It's my mobbing skill wheel. I put BoD and tornado on a preset with pb when bossing

[drifting palm]

I opened 1200. Didn't get too lucky with V4 but had 25 exp nodes that did the job

Generally when mobbing u switch out pb to bf and take out asura and v1. Also take out all other skills and keep blade fury, V2, V3 and sudden raid only.

I only use 2 presets:

1. V2 > V3 > pb
2. Flashbang > final cut > sudden raid > summon/venom

[pulsar gull]

@verbal delta how hard is it to cap our smallest line?

[pulsar gull]

My Evan has a small line w 50% skill dmg , same with fpm. I’m sure u know even with mushie gear and firepoison gear they can’t cap it either.

[paper garnet]

God damn. I had 750 and 5 exp nodes and it worked out good. Did you level up trios before extracting ?

[verbal delta]

Not too bad, our lowest line is ADI hyperstat at 150% dmg

[drifting palm]

Yeah I did. Well TBF my V2 and V3 weren't maxed too and the 1200 got them to max. Just didn't get enough of the V4 skill itself from opening the nodes alone

[odd granite]

That is true. Notice that NL is doing at least 10% more dps even with a lower MDC.
To put in context, in Ndam, I have 4m MDC more than the NL. Yet the NL is doing 10% more dps than me.
With that say, do you know if this is the same case for NW?

[verbal delta]

From what i've seen
NL > DB/Shad/Phant > NW
Of course there will be differences in gears and such, but the above is what've personally seen

[odd granite]

@verbal delta would you recommend pushing PA or MDC to improve average damage?

[verbal delta]

MDC seems to be king

[odd granite]

Damned, alright. Thanks for the quick reply

[verbal delta]

Np and good luck

[odd granite]

Ouh, 1 more thing. Is MSW important to have?

[pulsar gull]

That new NL burst looks insane. But they still fall pretty hard after 30s. Still feel like db/shadower is king rn. Phantom is in their own league.

[verbal delta]

It's nice to have, but isn't the biggest difference maker. If you do get one or plan on it, I recommended running alts in culvert to farm rubians to try and refine it as much as you can

[verbal delta]

I feel with the same MDC, no other thief is beating NL
assuming similar matrix

[pulsar gull]

That’s what I’m hearing too. Maybe the NL i run with aren’t optimizing their burst.

[quartz pivot]

This is not true. DB is 100% not 'king' rn just so you know. NL is definitely superior in terms of burst and overall DPS.

[pulsar gull]

Based on ease of bursting and offload all damage or their line count is also superior now?

[quartz pivot]

Everything.

[pulsar gull]

Maybe I’m missing something but just purely from a line count perspective, phantom is 1k+ than them based on world record. Am I missing something here?

[verbal delta]

That line count chart is misleading
It should be changed to total damage done in 2 minutes given the same mdc

[pulsar gull]

Yea coz some class has clones and a clone is essentially only a 0.7line instead of 1 line for most classes w 1 clone

But at the end of the day, with same mdc and and assuming capping all line, it’s still line count that matters except of certain classes in real bossing situation can time their burst with ds4 or have an easier time to offload all their dmg without boss moving away or teleport away

[paper garnet]

With Hayato coming out …. Why this like a remastered Dual Blade

lol

[charred canopy]

Any advice for my node progression

[verbal delta]

Boost nodes are good, you just want to max the V skills by getting more nodes

[verbal delta]

I hated hayato when it came out on PC was boring AF. Idk if it'll be the same

[paper garnet]

Umm really. I don’t know skill animations looks pretty nice.

[verbal delta]

The skills might've been remastered but I was a lot younger then lol. It definitely looks nice in the video

[paper garnet]

Their v2 has crazy range wtf lol. Hits like entire maps

Only thing sucks is warrior class wtf.

[pulsar gull]

@verbal delta

Are u noticing a difference in your skill max damage?

Before this patch, we always hit our max damage as 75% of the mdc.

I’m noticing a different number in my own run

Now all of my skill is hitting 71% of my mdc.

Interestingly, spiral of mana (my v4) is hitting a higher max cap comparing to my other v skill. And all my v skill is lv30 while spiral mana is only lv25. A lower ied skill does higher max cap than a max level v skill?

[charred canopy]

Would you say to craft node stones or craft specific skills

[verbal delta]

First point could be level difference between you and the boss
2nd might be because of shade, I'm not sure

[verbal delta]

Always craft the specific V skills

Get random boost nodes to 25, extract, craft V skills, repeat

[pulsar gull]

Well I was thinking that hard and normal has different level now. I’m only lv219. But there’s a clear difference in my average damage per skill between the two boss and I run same team same buff.

No shade in the run tho.

But that does not explain the lower max damage cap. It’s the same in both bosses

[verbal delta]

What was this in? Damien?

[pulsar gull]

Yes

Hard and normal Damien analysis.

[verbal delta]

When ur touching the blue ball and using a skill, ur max DMG is reduced
Some skills u cast while touching them, some u don't

[pulsar gull]

These two runs were done back to back with the same team comp and same buff.

[pulsar gull]

But then when I hit when I’m not getting hit by orb, it should have recorded a higher number.

[verbal delta]

The blue ball explains minimum cap

[pulsar gull]

The small minimum like u said is due to being hit by orb and turning fair trade off. I never paid much attention to it in Damien.

[verbal delta]

Idk about the max DMG if everything is the same IED% and no shade

[pulsar gull]

A few people said my difference in average damage is because of orb

Like more and faster orb in hard compare to normal.

I disagree when I look at my own recording. I was not spending a lot of time getting touched by the orb.
More importantly, my v3 (elemental radiance) is my big burst with 2 min cooldown so I make sure it is lined up with ds4. I used it twice in both analysis. Once during p1 and once during p2. I cwatched Mỹ video and in both run, i lined them up with ds4 while not having any orb near me. Yet, the average damage of elemental radiance in the 2 analysis is 3m which is quite big to me