Shadower

[hazy pond]

Which daily dungeon to focus on for shadower?

[wet wigeon]

dang flip of the coin consumes a lot of MP

my first char that consumes more MP pots than he drops

[timid crystal]

what Hyper Skill Passive should i add?

[strange ivy]

^

[edgy shoal]

Is there a way to cancel “into darkness” animation? Feels so clumsy

[strange ivy]

skip it, v2 more viable

[edgy shoal]

Thought so. Was trying to see if there was a way but seems like not really

[timid crystal]

what auto battle skill wheel setting is good for farming?

[strange ivy]

Cruel Stab if you can 1-2 hit
otherwise assasinate
Dark Flare
Sudden Raid
Hyper

[hazy pond]

Which alts is a must for shadower?

[zenith kiln]

Anything that gives phy dmg, phy att, hp, boss att and exp for leveling

[hazy pond]

How about belt? If no pink

[drifting geyser]

Don’t forget final dmg links also

[drifting geyser]

Do your links in order final dmg, phy dmg, boss atk, crit dmg

If you want damage first before exp

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-bailey-asmr-cap-bailey-twitch-stream-don't-feed-the-trolls-gif-17110067460605946630

[hazy pond]

So xenon and cadena final dmg priority?

Or pirates blessing?

[drifting geyser]

Those 3 and Adele @hazy pond

Well you need 3 pirates cause it stacks 3 times I believe

[hazy pond]

What if you have 1 slot? Left to use? Just adele?

[hazy pond]

Or cadena and xeno?

[drifting geyser]

Probably Adele

[hazy pond]

I have one more slot after adele who should be next?

[drifting geyser]

Xenon

[keen tinsel]

Do you guys know if venom burst is worth using? I came from pc maple shad and it was a useless skill when i played

[drifting geyser]

If you have slots sure

[drifting geyser]

For bossing In higher lvl venom is better than the original but i started to use matrix venom at lvl 6 for mobbing

[hazy pond]

Upgrade helmet or Outfit first?

[drifting geyser]

if u pre 200 and dont have emblem equipment then outfit but if ur working on endgame equipment (ancient +) ill go for helmet for cd

[edgy shoal]

anyone got shadower tips for Ark? I feel like my ark damage is pretty low compared to others with less MDC than me? In Lotus I pull ahead but about even in ark.

[west zinc]

Exalt more hyung

I SEE U SNEAKING HERE TO OUTDPS ME

https://tenor.com/view/lor-lord-of-the-rings-sauron-lord-sauron-the-great-eye-gif-17124185

[edgy shoal]

LOL more to come soon

[drifting geyser]

Stats?

[edgy shoal]

i'm sitting at like 25mdc, ~500CD, ~170BA

[drifting geyser]

What’s ur dps then

You shouldn’t be losing to people with less mdc then you as shadower unless it’s a pally, Mercedes.

show your best ark run

[edgy shoal]

Died once. Idk maybe the math is different because of DR but dpm is similar to lotus. Would have thought my dpm would be higher in Ark

[strange ivy]

shad better the longer the run is, so not surprised

[edgy shoal]

Mmm okay. Was worried if I was messing up mechanically or doing something wrong

[strange ivy]

record a run and post it here

[edgy shoal]

Busy for a couple days but I’ll post the next time and share

[dusk pendant]

Yea post your run, this is mine (this month) and my cap is only 20m. I usually only buff chic with fair trade and guild skill.

[dusk ledge]

Our burst is strong right now. It's probably one of the stronger burst classes compared to other classes. Are you timing your v skills with ds4? Also, are your v skills maxed? You should also save your dark sight for DR. Your ark dpm should be a lot higher compared to your lotus dpm.

Mines is almost 180% higher for ark compared to lotus dpm

@edgy shoal

[dusk ledge]

u sure about that? What happened to last boss run

[edgy shoal]

Hmmmm yea im saving everything for DS4. Even like adding on last resort whenever it’s time to burst. Also saving DS for DR and have all my skills maxed. Someone in my run was saying it might be because I’m usually agro?

But anywho I’ll try to remember to record tonight and share

[zenith kiln]

Venom burst, last resort, shadow walker which one helps most with DPS, like in what order should I max ?

[strange ivy]

Commons V2 > V3 > V1

[zenith kiln]

Which is which 😂

[strange ivy]

Shadow Walker
Last Resort
Venom burst

[dusk ledge]

Having aggro is a good thing. If you have aggro, you don't need to move around much. So your dpm should be high.

[broken atlas]

Hi Hi, which is the cd of our v3 at max lvl? it's 90s or 95s? on the patch notes it was saying 90s but i'm with it at lv 28 and is 100s cd only

[vast wave]

90s, it changes every 5 lvls if i remember correctly

[broken atlas]

indeed but if at lv 28 it's 100s... at 30 should be 95s not 90s

[vast wave]

perhaps the last jump is the most

i can send u a ss of my skill node if u wanna confirm

[broken atlas]

i would be grateful

just to be sure

[broken atlas]

wth

ty @vast wave

[vast wave]

given ur stats doesn't seem to make any sense to me, maybe ur v3 got cancelled coz of knockback?

[serene cedar]

Anyone here who can share perfect trios + boss skill wheel please ?

[strange ivy]

Within the chat history above

[serene cedar]

Couldn’t find bossing wheel tho

Maybe some things changed too

[strange ivy]

Wheel something like
V1, v2,v3, Ds+LS, SW, assa+venom+sr, hyper+smoke, ft

[rocky cedar]

anyone have a pre hypers ab wheel, i searched and cant find one

[zenith kiln]

Blue or purple jewels for bossing ?

[drifting geyser]

Im using phy dmg (the blue)

There is no much of phy dmg% source

[vast wave]

i like purple BA since it scales to flames

but i think either works fine, personal preference

[zenith kiln]

Thanks for answering, yeah also started on blue, but wasn't sure

[zenith kiln]

Ah makes sense, might increase some phy att from the scaling

[dusk ledge]

If you're a light spender, I recommend blue Jewels because we lack phy dmg compared to other classes. Purple will help with BA flames, but it's quite expensive to reroll BA flames for your equips. I only know the big whales that go with purple jewels. I have blue jewels

[drifting geyser]

Sir you are whale

[dusk ledge]

u da bigger whale. Imagine if you didn't reroll at all

[drifting geyser]

[zenith kiln]

Ah makes sense, most my flames scales with hp / mp and some exp and crit DMG / boss att

I will try scale with HP though

[dusk ledge]

Yeah, hp flames are ideal, but mp/BA aren't too bad either. If you get a combination of hp and mp/ba, you should keep it. I still have some ba/mp flames

[broken atlas]

Hi Hi, it's me or after patch "flip the coin" is draining way more mp than usual?

[glossy pumice]

hi guys wana ask whats the requirement for cra

[vast wave]

probably full mythic emblem lv40 is comfortable, that's what i had when CRA first released

btw anyone else feels that sdw SC is very lackluster? i'm scoring way below other classes with similar or worser gears than me

[drifting geyser]

SC?

[drifting geyser]

SC

?

[vast wave]

culvert

[edgy shoal]

I feel like it’s not the best sometimes? Though when I tried for a PR with Boss Rush I was able to get a little over 8K when I was around 24mdc? Not sure where that lands with other classes.

But on an average week, a mage with less mdc is not too far away from me point wise

[vast wave]

my best is 17.8k at 40.5m, and i just feel alot of classes are beating me with lower mdc

it could be the fact that i don't do DS swapping for SC but i don't really think the others do too

[edgy shoal]

lol not qualified to speak at that level but yea there are those in my guild who don’t have as much gear/cap who do equal if not more sometimes

[vast wave]

oh well, i guess we just gotta accept it. on the bright side i do think sdws are SS tier for bossing DPS

u win some; u lose some

[strange ivy]

yes sir

PF, Hero with way less MDC scoring the same as me

should be 10-11k at almost 25m, while they are at 19m-21m iirc

[drifting geyser]

Ohh yes im missing 200-450 points in culvert with the same setup and buffs

[drifting geyser]

Well ill try to understand what's happening there, i mean the only reason to not reaching or succeeding to pass with a good score is wrong skills or hard ground to play... Nexon didn't change nothing on Culver last patch

[fierce musk]

Not sure about Pure, but Tazo and me both did DS swapping.

[vast wave]

Yeah I know but I’m not even comparing with u guys since ur mdc is far ahead of mine…i just find it strange that bossing dps doesn’t seem to correlate with culvert scores

[fierce musk]

Are you moving alot?

Like jumping back and forth to avoid flames and stuns

[vast wave]

Yeah have to

Cant do the stationary method coz v2 will tele us to the floor anyway

And thats every 15s

[fierce musk]

Then i think you gotten your answer

[fierce musk]

Most classes that are hitting high scores are not moving and just continuously hitting and swapping DS.

The uninterrupted damage for the remaining duration of phase 6 is the main reason between the extreme disparity of score between Shadowers and others

The only 2 classes that i know off that could notch high SC scores while still moving and swapping DS is Evan and Lumi (Even that require alot of skill and good micromanagement)

[vast wave]

I see I see, makes sense. I wish they gave us a toggle to stay stationary when using V2. Would also fix the GHB issue where we tele into the water.

[west zinc]

I’m ăn Evan with 21m mdc and I hit 6k

I dont DS swap. Full 50s with boss rush. I feel like level play a big part coz a guildie lv227 as Angelicbusfer and a 225 lumi , both 19m mdc, are scoring 9k

[strange ivy]

that seems kinda low tbh
@limber falcon aint you around the same mdc?

[west zinc]

I miss a few times here and there. Mulung acc not good enough?

[limber falcon]

I'm at 21m cap and do 10k, no DS swap

[west zinc]

Wow I wonder what I’m doing wrong @.@

[limber falcon]

Record a run for me and I'm happy to give some pointers

[west zinc]

I’ll do one without boss rush

[west zinc]

https://youtu.be/oCythsYLBgY?si=Pg_YbisWRmfoAs5Z

Def need to practice my movement more, perhaps time ds4 with v3 for better burst. And the for some reason when u teleport near the ladders it’ll hook you up on the ladder.

[fast sun]

It's because shad is better in longer fights. DPM class.

[iron compass]

Culvert is 3 mins tho

Aka 1 full rotation

[dusk ledge]

We just gotta wait for gmsm to implement kmsm culvert. Trickblade is not great with the current culvert

[strange ivy]

feels like 1 minute just to re-position after v2

[iron compass]

[drifting geyser]

Which way is easier to work on to reach pink equipment? Top/bottom or outfit?

[strange ivy]

If you plan on stinky pinky, top/bottom is way cheaper
and since everything is rng, i wouldnt care too much about the lower % to hit chaos from it
just gotta remember, it will be low cuts

[drifting geyser]

Low cut is only sf right?

Well either way my outfit will be chaos

I dont have the funding to make it nacro and then abso

[strange ivy]

sf?

[drifting geyser]

Star force

[strange ivy]

cuts has nothing to due with star force?
its about the amount of times the item can be cut and traded before being untradeable

so overall from cra gear will stay at 2-3 cuts depending on if you made it yourself or bought

[drifting geyser]

Haha silly me ihv confused it with something else

[drifting geyser]

Ohh didn't know that so no no ill work on an outfit then

Ty sirr

[regal meadow]

can anyone share AB/Boss wheel and preset? much thanks

[drifting geyser]

Pined

Or scroll up

[regal meadow]

!pin

[glossy nebula]

May I know how strong Shadower is in mobbing and bossing vs other Thief class?

[vast wave]

Probably the best among thieves for both right now

[keen tinsel]

How many lines are you guys doing in 3 minutes?

[strange ivy]

18.1-18.3

[keen tinsel]

Are you just spamming everything off cd? I only got 16.3 💀

[cobalt patio]

• Shadowers still weave on mobile, right?
• I'm thinking I can try to learn to weave with skill preset for assassinate, explosion, assassinate and just time the button presses. Is there a more recommended skill set-up or is this fine for a beginner?
• Seems like I can fit more assassinates in between every explosion, so is it recommended to just explode between assassinates regardless?
• Should Flip the Coin be on my pet for auto-buff or nah? Seems to get recast a lot on my pet, not sure if that's worth given Shadower limited MP

[dusk pendant]

I don't think weaving is possible in mobile, someone correct me if I'm wrong

[dusk ledge]

What is weaving?

[dusk ledge]

Just put explosion and flip the coin on pets. You don’t need to worry about pressing them at all

[strange ivy]

Like a pc „glitch“ to get in more Assa iirc, but shouldn’t be possible due to the 1.x sec cooldown from ME/BE

[dusk ledge]

Oh, I see. Good thing we don’t need to worry about that lol. Much easier on mobile

[cobalt patio]

I can't seem to put explosion on pet. I assume I don't even need to put it on pet if I'm looking to auto-cast it b/c the skill already had auto-cast on all the time, right?

[strange ivy]

You can just put either ME or BE maybe that’s the issue?

[dusk ledge]

Oh nvm I forgot you don't need to put it on pets. It automatically casts lol

Don't need to worry about pressing meso explosion

[dense sphinx]

would like to confirm the bis option for necro belt is crit rate and phy dmg for abso shoulder yea?
was advised to leave both unselected previously
my crit rate is 58.2% before fair trade

[dusk ledge]

I would go with acc on belt and phy dmg on shoulders

[dense sphinx]

is there a reason why accuracy on belt?
im pretty casual and have only managed to clear magnus hard, havent notice missing anything yet

[dusk ledge]

Hmm, well, if you don't have Necro, crit is probably better. But if you have necro and fair trade, more crit rate wouldn't help at all. I guess I just prefer ACC for future bosses.

There are not many acc buffs compared to crit buffs

[strange ivy]

would agree with TK

[dense sphinx]

coz the other day when i tried soloing ark, i couldnt kept my fair trade up because of the 2.5k damage being done to myself every second, that's when i realized how low my crit rate was without fair trade

im thinking crit rate would be better, if i cant afford to use fair trade in lotus and damien

[strange ivy]

you will have to use FT and you will have to use Power Elix

[dense sphinx]

i dont GA enough to stock up PE

[strange ivy]

yea, that will be an issue later on

just buy em on ts

[dense sphinx]

😲

didnt know its on TS

[small pelican]

Hi guys. Does mesos guard allow shadower to be able to enter higher tier boss that require HP requirement? Compare to other classes without

[dusk ledge]

Nope, meso guard doesn’t work on bosses

[covert flare]

Can anyone show me skill setup/presets for bossing if possible pls? I’m pre 200 at mo if that matters

[strange ivy]

something like Assasinate + Sudden Raid, Veil, Flare + Smokescreen, Dark Sight

[covert flare]

Thank you!

[drifting geyser]

What do guys think about 'dash' skill in bossing?

I cant see if i get hit when using it on ark

[strange ivy]

try dashing through laser, you will see the hit

i do use it sometimes to dodge like in Lotus P3

[drifting geyser]

U prefer dashing or the teleport one?
I guess u use dashing in lotus first part..

[strange ivy]

well v2's range is further but it kinda depends on the situation

never use dash in p1 as it would result me going straight into the laser

i mostly try to keep my v2 for close calls to dodge laser in p1

[drifting geyser]

Good idea ill try it

When u can... Could you show your skill wheel for lotus?

Ahi

[strange ivy]

i literally sent you a dm a few hours ago

[drifting geyser]

lol..... on it!

[ember osprey]

Can I get a Copy of that?

[strange ivy]

https://youtu.be/iQ8PGJfPm-s?si=EHoC9IV3yjo0VWDE
bit outdated run but yea

[ember osprey]

Thanks

[dusk ledge]

Wow, I didn't know you had a youtube channel. Number 1 shadower in EU

Liked and subscribed

[rose stream]

Just to be 100%, these are the trio correct?

[humble pond]

Hello what hyper passive should I lvl for shadower?

Asssinate 3 pts
1 for ME reinforce
1 for ME enhance

Is this right?

[strange ivy]

@humble pond

[humble pond]

If I cap, what do i give up for extra coins?

Give up cd or fd for 30% chance ME

@strange ivy

[strange ivy]

cd i guess if 1.x seconds isnt fast enough for you
shouldnt be that much of a difference

[rapid notch]

Any legend can share your battle analysis in lotus or damian bossing? Is it normal for assassinate min and max dmg to have a big cap?

For instance: my assassinate min dmg is 1.5m, but max dmg is 24. 5m

Is it normal?

[strange ivy]

Lotus, Damien, Lucid

[keen tinsel]

Is this a slight buff for shad

[strange ivy]

well technically yea, in a 10min boss runs thats a boost from ~220hits to 240 hits

[mental kindle]

where is this from?

[keen tinsel]

One of my friends sent it i think its the patch after v4

[final fable]

Where i can see this?

[mental kindle]

Yeah same please

[dusk ledge]

These were the patch notes from KMSM after their v4 update. It's not guaranteed that it will come to MSM. Our initial burst will be weaker (which was the goal for the rebalance after v4; some classes' bursts were too strong compared to some classes), but its a buff to more prolonged battles

[strange ivy]

for the lazy mates:

[edgy shoal]

A nice buff especially for shadow assault

[narrow egret]

Definitely seems like a buff to me!
I’m not understanding the developer notes though. Was there some bug tech with Sonic Blow that you could reset all your other abilities?

Or was this just specific to Sonic Blow in general?

[strange ivy]

You were supposed to be able to cancel SB and in return get a reduced cooldown - which ofc didnt work properly, just like the KB resistance
#msm-bug-report message
this post summons it up pretty well

[edgy shoal]

The clone dmg work should be a nice change

[narrow egret]

Ah ok ok, yeah that never worked lol

[narrow egret]

Yeah I’m excited

[strange ivy]

kinda unexpected tbh, especially v1 is quite big

[edgy shoal]

Yea going to be a really nice change. Also trickblade getting almost double lines is nice

[narrow egret]

Thoughts on Clone dmg changes? Not sure I understand their example…. Lol

Say it’s a Buff overall, but their example makes it look much worse?

I think I understand in theory how it’s going to work and I guess having a cap and not always chasing small %gain is nice

Was their before supposed to be based on 35% damage? Really don’t understand this example. Lol

Seems just wrong

[strange ivy]

i think this by @potent thicket is pretty much the best explanation i did read so far

[narrow egret]

Ah ok, so the cap is 70% of the damage that you actually do. Not 70% damage of the potential damage you could do (MDC)

[potent thicket]

yes

[narrow egret]

Cool. Their example still makes no sense

[potent thicket]

It makes sense, their wording is weird. good thing they provided the example or else I would've been clueless

If you cap your clones before, you'll still cap your clones after patch

[narrow egret]

I don’t think I understand fully how the clone damage worked previously

[narrow egret]

Are they try to display the previous calculation vs the new calculations, but using the new damage of 70%?

Because it was 35% before correct?

[potent thicket]

yea

[narrow egret]

(Not really a before an after then… but w/e )

Weird way of putting it, but I think I get it now

[potent thicket]

Previously it was based on MDC, but now it's damage dealt. In a sense it's a nerf, but what you gain is higher skill damage on your other skills.

[narrow egret]

Before 35% * MDC
After 70% * Damage Dealt

Oh awkward. So now on bosses with DEF your actual damage is lower and therefore lower clone lines. Where previously since it was based on MDC clones weren’t as effected by DEF?

[narrow egret]

Or did it still calculate that in?

[potent thicket]

it's still calculates DEF ignore. there no reason for your clone to not take that into account

[edgy shoal]

Or before it was 30% of the total potential damage you could have done.

Your mdc might be 30 but if let’s say you have abso weapon and could do like 70m dmg you would do 30% of that 70.

So now your clone line is dependent on the actual damage that you do. So even if you can do 70m worth of damage, if you have 50mdc it’ll only take that 50m for your clone

[narrow egret]

Anyone else seeing fluctuating line counts for v4? Seeing from 1003 to 1019 in FoG

[gusty rapids]

can someone advise on C skill priority? new buff, last resort, shadow walker. Which is better to focus?

[drifting geyser]

Im seeing big deferent between allis form to dark lord form 1200+-/360 hit count and 2b/1.8 ich.... (I dident max it yet) It looks like allis att are much better to cast

[edgy shoal]

Are clone lines being applied correctly?

Also for our v4 on-hit effects not applied. Anyone know what that means?

[strange ivy]

that happens to v3 as well tho, might miss a line here & there

[drifting geyser]

Actually never thought of c skill priest before but i would say probably shadow walker and new buff can be great together but last resort u need some times to cast the second form (if u use it)
And im actually using SW after dark sights and then V3, when SW buff is over im using last resort for another buff to keep going and less managing mechanic strategie

[dusk pendant]

For posterity this is the new stats

V1

V2

V3

V4

[eager wind]

wow

[strange ivy]

did a first 2min test, 16k lines

[vast wave]

Got abit curious and went to test the new v4

I thought we might be able to utilize the 1min cooldown in 1 min content by pre-casting before the boss spawns

But i think the timing has to be perfect

Coz theres a delay from when u first cast v4 and the damage being dealt

I tried instant casting the leader but that still takes 3s to come out

Worth testing it out though, especially now since we can’t utilise v3 shortened cooldown

[sacred kelp]

Welcome back

[valid trout]

https://youtu.be/1VSF1DDBzQU?si=-Jy_8l6A4xdBakKl

[dusk ledge]

Wow, nice to see an op shad still in Scania

[topaz bronze]

Does smokescreen useful? I still don't understand how it works though 😐

[drifting geyser]

U just needs to cast it next to bosses and the debuff will work for any monster or boss within the smoke 'it lower the Crit Dmg resist (-15%)', its an active skill so in theory other members within the smoke suppose to do more Crit Dmg too,
Im definitely sure it works for us in fog and other bosses but i can't be sure if it work for other members in our party too...

It just means you can land higher CD lines

[topaz bronze]

I see, thank you

[mental kindle]

Prioritize leveling v4 over v2 or v1?

[strange ivy]

Yea I’d say v3 > v4 > v1/v2

[drifting geyser]

Any guide for mu lung 43 floor im struggling to survive ther but can kill 42 boss in 30 sec

Maybe my skills not accurate to the task

[strange ivy]

you can ignore the roses, just move away
for the smash ether use v2, a single v1 burst to move to the other side
or dash through it if you got the HP

[drifting geyser]

But v2 and our teleport moves me too close and then i get hit

I got 140hp

[strange ivy]

v2 gives you a small iframe tho

okey 140k is rough

[drifting geyser]

Ya i need to invest my gear ill try to change my skills

[strange ivy]

maybe try
attack as long as she wont smash
use DS & burst all your v's start with v1 to save some seconds on cd
when DS is off use v2 when she smashes again
dps
when she is about to smash again, use stun
afterwards your v1 should be off cd again
so you can use 1 burst to move through her until your DS is up again

[drifting geyser]

Mmmmm.... Thet is very detailed haha... Thanks man

Ill try it

[rocky glade]

Im really glad with this patch and v4. It really makes me feel godlike when doing bossing. Able to out DPS classes with higher mdc in commanders.

[idle cobalt]

Yo guys, y'all know any fellow shadowers content creator on YT? Care to recommend please, would like to support them

[topaz bronze]

Itachi has one
https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick-rr3fr

[idle cobalt]

Oh nice thank you

[idle cobalt]

Following this too!

[strange ivy]

I really wouldnt call that content creator
I keep forgetting to record stuff like Culvert etc and ofc thats when the runs turn out good

@unborn star used to do a lot of guide & bossing stuff
but sadly kinda retired until further notice
Thats her yt: https://www.youtube.com/@lydiay.Akatsuuki/videos

[idle cobalt]

Haha it takes a lot of effort to record, edit, and upload 🤙

You're doing great man

[idle cobalt]

Oh yeah I'm already following her since wayyyy back!

[idle cobalt]

Hey guys, is it just me or sometimes V1 Shadow Assault goes into cd immediately after using just 1 out of 4 times? I thought it’s fixed long ago already

[drifting geyser]

Mmm they did say cd will start when you press and not like before ( after skill casted)

But we should be able to cast v1 in at least 10-20 sec before cd start

Ill see

[drifting geyser]

It work fine for me, it should be a delay when you start casting to count down, even if you cast only 1 time

[idle cobalt]

Of course I know there’s a time limit to cast all 4 🤭 I’ve experienced it went to cd IMMEDIATELY after just casting 1/2 hits, will observe more and try to record

[drifting geyser]

Lol sorry for assuming thet, well its interesting if count when hit the 2/4 hits, but it let u keep hitting the other 2 hits?

If it cd after 2 hits and still let you hit the other 2 is good for us...

[strange ivy]

nexon bugging shadower v-skills?

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[idle cobalt]

Haha V2 remain bugged til this day

V1 I’ve observed since the other day, 10% of the time the skill goes into cd immediately after 1 or 2 tab

[strange ivy]

haven't looked at it yet tbh, but ill keep an eye on it

[echo zenith]

Hey guys I just hit 151 and haven’t used my Hyper Stats points yet (2). Should I put it on MESO Explosion? Or is Assassinate better?

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[lament hornet]

do you guys change between Pick pocket and blood money for bossing and mobbing?

[strange ivy]

no

[lament hornet]

so always blood money?

[narrow egret]

Yup! In MSM there is no difference in targeting, so always blood money

[rapid notch]

Hi guys. What is emblem ratio for sdw? Currently I have 3 piece of boss att emblem and 5 CD emblem.

Is that healthy?

Normal

Or should I made is 4 / 4

4 Cd
4 boss att

[dusk ledge]

Def keep 5 cd and 3 ba. Because of the high MDC you can get, you want more cd emblems. I think 5/3 is perfect

[rapid notch]

Currently unbuff my
BA 126% Cd 450%

Without any skill buff

[strange ivy]

Looks good, just keep

[dusk ledge]

Has anyone run GHB since the patch? I feel like our v2 is more bugged now. Whenever I use it, I teleport to where the boss spawns. This used to only happen in the beginning, but now it happens every single time.

[idle cobalt]

Kinda got used to it tbh

[idle cobalt]

Yeah I was right at V1, it’s so annoying how our skills are constantly bugged

Let’s send some bug report guys

[strange ivy]

its not like we didnt try
Either it got ninja-fixed without any msg about it
or it was stated "wOrKs As InTeNdEd" or ignored entirely
doesnt matter how many times we've posted, even with proper recordings

[idle cobalt]

Very masochist of us to still be hooked into this game despite all these, what else can we do?

[drifting geyser]

Ping cm to here every day till they fixe it?

We can try this

[strange ivy]

You go first

[idle cobalt]

After you 😂 (don’t do that you will get warned > restricted > banned)

[full raft]

possibly silly q but wtf is eating all my mana? i keep running out of mana pots with buff pets

[narrow egret]

Flip the Coin can be a real mana burning passive skill

[drifting geyser]

Ill have more luck playing 'chicken' with god

[drifting geyser]

Its never happened to me... Not mana... Only HP pots, what lvl are you? Do you use pets? And did you equipped all your buffs on pets?

[full raft]

i think it was flip the coin yeah

lvl 178 with the free buff pets

i was using flip the coin instead of blood money

[drifting geyser]

any bossing skill rotation on shad? And what is the best trio?

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[drifting geyser]

No v4? Or it is not being used? And question for the trio, is it that hard to get the perfect one?

[strange ivy]

depends on the amount of nodes you are gonna open, you can use a trio as long as the base is correct and level it up until your get the prefect version
So for example you get Assasinate/Hyper/Cruel Stab just level it up until you hit Assasinate/Hyper/Mes Explosion and use the already leveled one to lvl up the new perfect one
Skill wheel is kinda the same-ish for most ppl with a few edits here & there according to their own preference/playstyle

as reference my current one

[drifting geyser]

May i also see the skills for the preset?

[strange ivy]

smoke/flare/hyper
assa/venom/sudden raid

venom burst can be kinda ignored until leveled, not that much of a difference compared to the normal venom
there's better skillwheel options to optimize dmg output, but i prefer it that way to focus on survivability

[drifting geyser]

Thanks! Will use this for reference and will just adjust based on my preference. Also for clarification for the trio, if i leveled a non perfect and used that to level my perfect trio, will the level carry up?

[strange ivy]

as long as the 1st skill is the same, yea

[drifting geyser]

Thanks alot! This is our first time trying shadower so we do not have and idea on post 200 skills.

[static steeple]

hi guys I need help... just started and I'm not sure what to progress now... what should I focus on next?

Most items are from the growth pack...

[strange ivy]

this is a pretty decent beginner guide

important is, to not rush rank-ups
you want you unique gear to sf18+ before ranking it up because if it breaks at unique all you need is another unique item to craft a restoration scroll
If gear breaks above unique its way more difficult & expensive to repair it

[static steeple]

thank you so much!

[strange ivy]

still among the top ranks, yea

[idle cobalt]

Still very bugged too 😇

[marsh jetty]

Just get to 4th job. Doesn’t take long

[grave birch]

Is there any guide here for 4th job preset 1 and 2?

[strange ivy]

Assasinate + Sudden raid
dark flare, hyper for bossing
cruel stab if you can 1-2 hit the mobs
sudden raid, flare, hyper for farming

[grave birch]

anyone knows?

[strange ivy]

Overall id say no, but some quests give decent exp
Has been a while but i think besides the daily quests after 140+
the story quests are quite good but other than that just SF/AF grind

[grave birch]

i'm at lvl 110 now. Where's the best place to build exp? thanks

[strange ivy]

depends on your starforce & gear

[grave birch]

at SF88 now

[strange ivy]

hm try to get your unique gear to sf120/123 or even 130/133 if you can
shadower is tanky so shouldnt be a problem, do your daily expeditions for asseccories

[keen tinsel]

Do you guys use truck blade in SC?

Trick*

[idle cobalt]

Why not

[keen tinsel]

Having to get back onto the second platform on the right

[strange ivy]

I don’t do the tanking method, so yes I’m using tb

[vernal pier]

hi may i know which hyper stats and skill should i add for shadower?

[drifting geyser]

For main or bossing: 3x assasinet and 2xME reinforced and CD
For mobbing: 3x cruel stab, 2x ME reinforced and CD

[vernal pier]

Noted what about hyper status?

[drifting geyser]

Same for everyone

[vernal pier]

The top 3 and the last one ?

[sharp lion]

Hello everyone~

Apologies for not being more proactive but just wanted to give an update regarding the V2 bug that was reported and that it’s being investigated and hopefully should be fixed by the next update^^
Thank you for your patience

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/khabib-alhamdulillah-muslim-thanks-ufc-gif-12699545

[ebon heath]

Omgggg

[dusk ledge]

[rapid notch]

What bug on v2?

[grim iris]

Which is better for only mobbing between Assassinate and Cruel stab?

[drifting geyser]

Im using cruel coz im killing in 1-2 line and it hit more monsters, assassinate hit only 3 monsters every time it cast..... But if you cant kill fast enough with cruel then use assassinate

[grim iris]

Thank you 🫡

[keen tinsel]

Which one would you guys pick? I’m not sure if I wanna go SS with purple or blue jewels. Most of my items are equally scaled to both HP and boss. First picture is Purple jewels, second is blue jewels

[drifting geyser]

If you caping all 40m lines (thets crazy btw) when bossing, then probably phy dmg coz it means your BA already overcome the boss defense and just needs to stable the lower CRIT lines (thets what's i would do)

[strange ivy]

Just go testing ground and find out?

[dusk ledge]

I would still go for blue jewels. It’s better in the long run. There are multiple ways to get boss attacks and fewer ways to get physical damage. I'm an end-game shadower, and I can tell you that you won't regret going for blue jewels. The little increase in boss attack won’t increase your dmg output as much as phy dmg.

[keen tinsel]

I did it was practically identical haha

[keen tinsel]

Appreciate you big dog! You’re number 1 shad in ino huh

Tryna get like you

[dusk ledge]

yes I guess I'm number one in inosys. I'm glad there are still a couple of shadowers left in Inosys.

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[keen tinsel]

The shads in ino are nice asf

Aii basically taught me how to do lotus

[dusk ledge]

Yeah, she's awesome. There are a lot of friendly folks in Inosys

[ebon heath]

omg haha and guess who taught me, @dusk ledge

look at your glow up tho

[keen tinsel]

Wouldn’t have made it this far if it wasn’t for you! You guys are awesome

[muted swan]

any guides?

[drifting geyser]

I wanna immigrate to inosys now @keen tinsel @ebon heath @dusk ledge

[dusk ledge]

It depends on how far you're in the game. If you're a beginner, Patrick (Itachi) posted a beginner guide above.

[dusk ledge]

We always welcome new players in Inosys, especially shadowers. Hopefully, Scania and Inosys will merge in the future.

[west zinc]

That’d be awesome

[strange ivy]

your time to shine and post some content @dusk ledge

[dusk ledge]

nothing to post. I'm a noob here

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[dusk ledge]

[sly schooner]

Hi , shadower is better that paladín ?

[strange ivy]

you'll have to include some variables
boss, mobs, single content
which funding level...etcetcetc

[ebon heath]

no mention on shadower v2 ghb bug fix in this patch notes

[narrow egret]

I noticed that too

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[ebon heath]

lmfaoooo

got my hopes up from tsukki's message

[dusk ledge]

[strange ivy]

prepare yourself for either more bugged skills
or line reductions post-patch

[ebon heath]

[ebon heath]

ooo

they fixed it

[strange ivy]

They actually did

[dusk ledge]

Oh, I haven't tried it. Is it similar to how it was before the bug? Sometimes going down the water?

[strange ivy]

For me it kept me above water level today

[dusk ledge]

ok I see. I'll try it tonight

[dusk ledge]

I think it went back to what it was previously, if not a bit better. Out of the 3 trickblades, one of them landed under the water. Still hit pr though. I also realized I didn't have venom in the preset this whole time

[idle cobalt]

Yeah V2 seems to work as intended in GHB now

V1 still goes to CD prematurely though

Just last night I tried to zig zag across the map, only managed to dash one time 😂 and sometimes the dash didn’t even apply even though used manually with pointing

[dusk ledge]

https://youtu.be/u1CjlJDeH6s?si=rFW0Ss1bkhV1-SHF

maxed out shad in action.

[strange ivy]

You better make sure to record your clear run, sir

[dusk ledge]

I might not be in the run when the Inosys team clears. my schedule is getting tight, so I can't run most days now.

[strange ivy]

#1 carry not in the run

[dusk ledge]

We have like 1-2 ppl that they can replace me with. I'm just a sub and helping out practice

The team (I'm not in the run) is running tonight. Hopefully, Inosys get their first clear before reset

[feral sentinel]

!pins

How can I see the pins for auto battle skill wheel etc?

[strange ivy]

Cruel Stab, Hyper, Sudden Raid, Dark Flare, v1-4, Venom

[dusk ledge]

how do you check the pins?

[strange ivy]

u such a senior

its not pinned tho

and on mobile just click on "shadower" - "settings" - "pinned msg"

[dusk ledge]

Ohhhhh, I didn't know you had to look at settings lmao

Thanks Patrick

[dusk ledge]

Does anyone here put hyper stats in dmg ignore rate %? With our shadow shifter, we can potentially have dmg ignore rate % above 25%. Idk if that ignores all atks like hp based, but it might be worth it. 25%+ ignore dmg % and having a chance to evade.

[strange ivy]

@iron compass i summon you

[iron compass]

Hello?

It only ignores normal damage

No fixed damage, no HP scaled damage

Also @white sundial I think late happy birthday

[white sundial]

LOL why did u send it in here

but thank uuuuu

[strange ivy]

y would u even know it

creep

[iron compass]

Late could be anywhere between yesterday and like 2 weeks ago since that was the last time I was here

[iron compass]

I just remembered it was the same day as one of my friends xD

[white sundial]

it was yesterday haha

[iron compass]

Smh now she exposing herself

[dusk ledge]

Oh so it doesn't ignore hp scaled atk or fixed dmg?

[iron compass]

Nope

At least it'll help in mu lung

[dusk ledge]

Hmmmm

[coarse cove]

100% on this?

cuz isnt this chance to ignore all attacks, like evade causing misses

[iron compass]

This was how it worked when seph tested

[coarse cove]

hmmmmmmmmm

lol

[dusk ledge]

Someone ping seph

[coarse cove]

im conflicted cuz if it was just pure damage

it would say damage ignore %

[dusk ledge]

I can't test cause its not Thursday

[coarse cove]

they added rate %

[strange ivy]

@ionic lava

[ionic lava]

it didnt work in damien

dont see why it should work in Will

[iron compass]

It could work on debris I guess

As that's normal damage right

Or is that fixed aswell

[ionic lava]

fixed damage

[dusk ledge]

Dang so useless in Will/Damien

[iron compass]

Fixed ye nvm

[mental kindle]

just curious, which skills do yall preset together for bossing?

ark/lotus/damien

[strange ivy]

flare + hyper
Assa + Venom

[robust halo]

Is there a bug with shadowers ?? After i use trickblade, I don't do damage for 2-4 seconds.

[strange ivy]

Works fine for me

[wintry shuttle]

does shadower only have 1 perfect trio as pinned here?

[strange ivy]

thats the one for bossing, yes

[wintry shuttle]

how about mobbing? cruel stab, dark flare and sudden raid?

and does anyone have a skill wheel for mobbing and bossing!

[dusk ledge]

This is what I use

[wintry shuttle]

Is this for both ab and bossing?

[dusk ledge]

Nate + venom burst preset and hyper with flare and SR

No, only bossing

I don't use Nate for ab

[wintry shuttle]

Is venom burst worth to use tho for its dmg

[dusk ledge]

This is my ab wheel

[dusk ledge]

Yes it is. But you have to max it to lvl 30

Great thing about venom burst is that it has def ignore rate, short delay cast, and DoT.

This is Will battle analysis. Venom doing more than hyper

[wintry shuttle]

Dammm thanks!!

[dusk ledge]

[tawny sinew]

Anyone know if when using sonic blow, will using trickblade or shadow assault cancel sonic blow cast?

[strange ivy]

wont cancel, its like Dark Flare
You place it and its kinda autopilot

[old mural]

Is pickpocket supposed to be better for farming

[strange ivy]

Better than what

[old mural]

Blood money

[strange ivy]

Nah nobody cares, just go with blood money.

[patent flame]

can someone show me skill set bossing and V maxtrix pls and thank

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[dusk ledge]

This is my bossing wheel. As for v matrix, you can check the pin

Nate preset with venom, hyper preset with sudden raid, dark flare, and reflection, and dark sight preset with buffs + summon

[fierce hull]

Dedication is the key for success

You pros changed your flames to FD? Or did you guys change something at your equipment after last update?

[strange ivy]

Me no pro, but started to swap all the CD/CR flames for IED. Now working on the PA flames from shoulder & overall. Gonna keep Weapon for now

[brisk musk]

Hi sorry noob question how do I check for pins in shadower class forums?

[brisk musk]

Uhhh alright thanks!🙏

[fierce hull]

Lol

[fierce hull]

Well i guess its what we should do but won't it change the att of the normal lines? Is thet mater?

Are you seeing any change by now after increasing FD?

[strange ivy]

as long as you cap, you gucci

[strange ivy]

i havent increased my FD yet, just rerolled IED lines
and im scoring now with 9% IED higher, than pre-ied with more chaos instead of absos and 3m more mdc in culvert as an example

pre-ied 34.5m cap was like 22k
post-ied 31.7m cap is 24k without a sweat

[fierce hull]

Mmmm then ied is a game changer so won't it be smart to change in hyper stats to 1 point additional skill and the rest to ied?

[strange ivy]

@severe smelt can you update the pinned bossing v-matrix?

[strange ivy]

Hyper-stats aint Ignore Enemy Defense, thats DMG Ignore Rate.
Slightly different wording, huge difference in game.

[supple ore]

What are the hyper stats I should be investing into for the long run? Lvl 190 Shadower (main account)

Not planning on putting any Mesos into it for awhile but I have some hyper stat discounts

[strange ivy]

the usual
cap, adi, fd, pd, ba, cd

[supple ore]

in any specific order?

or doesn't matter

[strange ivy]

if you cap yea, if not swap cap id say

[idle cobalt]

Greetings, anyone can share your SDW POV Lucid conquest vid?

[idle cobalt]

S’ok I found em in Patrick’s channel heh

[supple ore]

199 😩 so close

loving shadower so far

are V skills good?

[strange ivy]

ofc they are

[supple ore]

excited to hit 200

[edgy shoal]

Anyone know why Sudden Raid reduces dark sight CD for Night Lords but for shadowers it’s just a CD reduction on smokescreen? Is it like a PC mechanic?

[strange ivy]

maybe to make up for our 5s of longer duration from DS? idk if NL has that as well

[edgy shoal]

Oh that would make sense

[patent flame]

Can someone teach me how to combo SD idk why dps too low

[neat lily]

youtube? what’s the channel name?

[idle cobalt]

Only fan dot come / patrick

https://www.youtube.com/@Patrick-rr3fr

Jk here you go

There are other sdw channel too I’ll send here if I have time later today

[neat lily]

lmao thanks! not a shad main rn but tempting to rr

[strange ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/@lydiay.Akatsuuki/videos @unborn star will hopefully upload more soon again
https://www.youtube.com/@阿彪仔 also a good one

[supple ore]

newbie who just hit lvl 200, any tips for v-matrix? what are the skills I'm looking for in my "perfect trio"

@strange ivy🥺👉👈

I CANT GET TO THE PINSSS

[strange ivy]

r u on mobile?

[supple ore]

yes

where tf

[strange ivy]

click on channel name

[supple ore]

settings

I see

ty

weird

[strange ivy]

and for farming cruel stab/sudden raid/flare

[supple ore]

oh man 😞 this is all so confusing

[strange ivy]

we've all been there

[supple ore]

so

those 3 in the middle are your "perfect trios" and what I should be aiming for when opening nodestones?

other than that just work on getting my actual abilities

[strange ivy]

you are aiming for the perfect base 1st if you cant pull a perfect trio
So as long as either Assasinate, Meso Explosion or Veil is the 1st skill at that trio you can level it until you open a perfect one

you can always transfer the not perfect one into the perfect one afterwards, without losing on progress

[supple ore]

oh that's really good to know

thank you for the info

[strange ivy]

np

[neat lily]

you can do this only from the same base to another right? or can you also transfer to a different base and still not lose progress

[strange ivy]

just same base

[idle cobalt]

Question, y’all know if there’s a cap on CD & BA %?

[strange ivy]

No cap

[idle cobalt]

Y’all know what these 2 characters mean?

I can read Chinese but somehow I have never seen em before @@

From the latest special style for explorer shadower in cash shop

[edgy shoal]

This is in PC?? Dang I want it

[idle cobalt]

Mobile

Effect from the weapon

[edgy shoal]

I just saw the link

I just want Korean Fan though

[dusk ledge]

Finally been wanting this since it came out in pc.

How much is that in usd

[iron compass]

Probably around 15

That's what it is in euros anyways

[dusk ledge]

damn that's quite pricy

[iron compass]

You can also buy a 100 euro package to get all 15 packages + a title that doesn't give any stat but it's a cool flex I guess

But if you're gonna buy 7 packs or more it's cheaper to get that bundle

[dusk ledge]

Ohh Okie. Guess we will see how much is it here

Probably might get the package

I want all of them

[strange ivy]

[strange ivy]

might be time for a new m-set

[dusk ledge]

[sharp moth]

Can this style anvil onto M label?

[idle cobalt]

Why not

[neat lily]

wait you can anvil style items??

[dusk ledge]

Yes

[neat lily]

how? i only found the anvil reset coupon

[dusk ledge]

You need fusion anvils. It comes up here and there from events or cash shops. You can't get it from current events.

I usually stock up on them whenever they come with an event or if you can buy them

[neat lily]

ohh ok gotchu. getting tired of my m label set but the stats are too nice to let go

[dusk ledge]

Yeah, just keep an eye out for it. It's nice to change m label styles to your own styles.

[mint geyser]

Shadower or wind archer recommended to main?

[strange ivy]

Shad ofc
easier to f2p
better to giga-chad

[fierce hull]

Lol not the place to ask thet

[fair haven]

Hey guys just reach lv200 and what should I do with nodestone

[strange ivy]

Get perfect trios and pump your bursts

^

[fair haven]

Thanks

[fair haven]

Can shadower able to survive in af30 with unique armor?

[fair haven]

Can anyone screenshot shadower v matrix boost nodes

I am so confused

So I have to get cruel stab/assainate/mess explosion and veil/darkflare/ sudden?

[fair haven]

Nvm I got it

[supple ore]

perfect trios confuse tf out of me, I understand them a little but

what are my perfect trios? how many of them are there? should I have different trios equipped for mobbing/bossing?

[strange ivy]

@supple ore
trios can be confusing at the start, if you deal with em for the 1st time

hold on, lemme dm u

[supple ore]

ty man

[opaque horizon]

how did you guys mapped your skills?

[opaque horizon]

what is in the "p"?

[strange ivy]

flare, veil, will skill
assasinate, venom

[opaque horizon]

ok thnx

[dusk ledge]

Fusion anvil packages are out now 👀 idk if you saw. A bit expensive tho

[strange ivy]

LF> 5.5k gem donation

[neat lily]

oh just saw them .. yea they’re pricey for sure and it don’t look like it’s tradable in TS for me to buy w mesos lol

[dusk ledge]

[mint geyser]

How does trickblade work, does it have to be linked with assassinate?

[strange ivy]

Not as in preset but as in used afterwards yea

[mint geyser]

Torn between DB and shadower what do you guys suggest

[strange ivy]

you'll get pretty biased answers within a shadower forum haha, but imo Shadower atm above DB

[feral sentinel]

I have played all thief classes and would say Shadower too

[mint geyser]

Shadower because of the survivability? Because from what I see, the bursts are pretty good in DB.

[strange ivy]

we got pretty good bursts as well

[west zinc]

I play both

I think w v4 update, if u can stand still n never have to worry about dodging or anything and in terms of raw dmg, shadower is slightly better than db rn

Their 1min burst is also faster to execute within ds4 duration

Db v1 + asura + v2/3 combo takes like 16-17s to execute perfectly so you have to be Uber focus. Shadower burst is a lot faster.

Shadower has a semi-iframe with shadow assault.

Even tho both have dark sight, db has 2 1-min cooldown iframe that lasts 3s. I very much enjoy the extra survivability.

I’m more biased toward db for aesthetic n that extra survivability.

[strange ivy]

and iframe with v2
but proper reasons

[west zinc]

They’re so short tho. It’s hard to get a lot of good use out of them

But definitely the overarching theme is slightly more dps - shadower, slightly better survivability- db

[strange ivy]

15s for a 1.x s iframe sounds pretty nice imo

[west zinc]

It’s great for like laser lotus n ark crack

I usually struggle with surviving Damien orb so I’m more biased toward the 3s

[strange ivy]

fair

[fierce hull]

Im working on farming/exp equipment and hyper stats rn.... What would you guys do exp, p-exp, buff duration and ?

[fair haven]

Are you guys using cruel stab when farming?

[supple ore]

does shadower hold up in end game bosses?

[strange ivy]

#gloom-conqueror message

overall yea, we in a good spot

[dusk ledge]

It is very easy to play and still one of the top classes for bossing

[idle cobalt]

Keep it down guys, the devs doesn’t like people to be happy with what they have, they might try to nerf us (or bug) ?

[strange ivy]

who cares, we are used to it by now

[dusk ledge]

we haven't had a nerf or a bug for like one year+

[strange ivy]

disagrees in v2

[dusk ledge]

Oh right I forgot about that in ghb

[fair haven]

What happened in v2

[dusk ledge]

Nothing is wrong with it now.

[fair haven]

Anyone willing to share their hyperstat

What should prioritizes to level up

[strange ivy]

Just the usual
Fd,mdc,adi,pd,ba,…..

[fair haven]

Itachi looks handsome

[iron compass]

That's becaus he is handsome

[fair haven]

Question for lv220+: Are you guys still using Eos dungeon for exp, or does it become ineffective at a certain level?

[strange ivy]

after 230 nonsense

[sand yew]

can shad survive AF 30 / 60 / 90 with regular mythic weap?

[supple ore]

probably but haven't tested myself

shad very tanky

[strange ivy]

should be fine yea

[feral sentinel]

Yeah been doing it here on my alt

Mythic exp weapon

Sold 40 and now using 30

[dusk ledge]

https://youtu.be/YJgyefjPrYk?si=OmGe4VYCJNvftLhC

4800

[strange ivy]

Bishop 6.8k #buffshad

[dusk ledge]

Damn #buffshad

bishop has the highest hit count for 6th job?

[strange ivy]

Haven’t checked yet

[edgy shoal]

Dang that looks so nice

[sand yew]

which hyper passives to max first, cruel stab or assassinate ?

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/check-the-pins-kowalski-penguin-gif-20219688

[sand yew]

oki found it ty

also there seems to be a skill / buff that’s draining MP like mad

anyone know what it is?

[topaz bronze]

150 hyper

[strange ivy]

Never experienced any mp draining

[summer vine]

Guys, any AB can share for pre 200 lvl ?

[sand yew]

this was it hahah

draining my mp like a mfer

[jovial geyser]

guys, should i put flip of the coin in pet buff? that skill seems suck my mana dry in bossing

Is it recommended that the 5 stacks of FOTC be pressed manually?

[jovial geyser]

can anyone tell me what are the v1 to v4 cooldowns?

[strange ivy]

no idea how you pull that off, never happened to me

[strange ivy]

30s, 15s, 60s, 60s

[jovial geyser]

Tqtq

[jovial geyser]

Are shadower weaker usually compared to other classes?

Or does the real experience comes after 200?

[strange ivy]

good class for f2p & low spenders as wel

[jovial geyser]

Absolutely insane when it comes to farming but usually once i reach 181 and get all the hyper skills i will test it by soloing czak

This is by far the weakest class but i dont want to give up just yet

I will push to 200 and see

What makes it good for f2p? Is it just the survivability?

[strange ivy]

Skill issue, lol

[dusk ledge]

Shadowers are great mid and end game. Easily one of the top bossing classes. Many shadowers that I know are beating other classes with higher mdc. Also, gigawhales like @forest remnant decided to RR shad bcuz of how strong they are

[forest remnant]

#buffilmthough
im just a canned tuna compared to other gigawhales

[jovial geyser]

Okay tqtq that explains alot will push to 200

Cuz i was looking something similar v skills cd to phantom and make them long term alt

[sand yew]

pre and post 200 are very different so i wouldnt worry too much, esp since as abovementioned there are many top players using shad

crazy farmer class though lol, was surviving 144 / 147 with just the unique event gear

[devout obsidian]

yes i decided to drop my phantom for good this time

tqtq

[summer vine]

Is this for bossing ?

[strange ivy]

Template, yea

[summer vine]

What is cap and adi ? I do focus on all assisnate skill and mesos explosion, is that correct ?

Sorry I'm asking hyperskill passive 😅

[calm forge]

Hi may I know what hyper stat y’all max? I couldn’t find the pin ! Thanks in advance

[strange ivy]

Same as every class basically
Mdc, adi, fd, pd, ba

[fierce hull]

Do you reset BA to use the points on MDC/FD? Or just keep on growing? I have 8 point on BA wondering if it worth it to reset it

[strange ivy]

indeed yes, i would have preferred to reset CD but CD just has 11lv rn so i had to reset BA and will start to re-do BA now

[fierce hull]

Ohh lol you already on CD lol.... And adi doesn't feel like it worth it to max to 25, i mean it just another line and we cap it already...

[strange ivy]

not sure if I would call 5% wasted, but up to yourself I guess

[fierce hull]

Lol i mean the extra 5 points, coz in thet point it feels like BA would be better to invest

[sand yew]

pot positive shadower at AF30, jic anyone was curious

feels so good just being able to have him perma farm without needing to worry about dying / stocking pots

[iron compass]

Not even CDD alt is wild

[sand yew]

nah he’s a CDD alt too with boss accessories haha

[calm forge]

And also can anyone share their v skill presets for hunting and bossing? Much appreciated 🙏🏻

[strange ivy]

V-skill presets?

[calm forge]

Yes , I mean I’m entering 200. But I still don’t know what main shadower farming or busting skill.

[strange ivy]

V-Matrix is pinned for bossing, for farming u just swap out the decent skills for rope lift, exp buff and Cruel Stab/Flare/Sudden raid trios

[strange ivy]

^

[lament hornet]

Any pro Shad have clip for culvert?

[ionic lava]

https://youtu.be/NgEOxM0nHbQ?si=mSvccRECG1ZxrQJP

[forest remnant]

Thank you Goat @ionic lava

[lament hornet]

Ty sir

[summer vine]

Can show us your farming wheel ?

[fierce hull]

Any recommendations for good Damian guide, v and skills setups, and just a good Damian guide?

[strange ivy]

v skills, hyper, cruel stab, flare

[calm forge]

Thank you so much sir! Much appreciated

[calm forge]

Bro may I know your v skill preset conclude of v1-v4 all put in preset?

[strange ivy]

No preset

[calm forge]

Thanks bro 👊 this will do! BTW you have a nice IGN 😄

[strange ivy]

[forest remnant]

Thank you Goat @strange ivy

[summer vine]

Thanks

[drifting geyser]

I just hit 200 on my shadower can someone help me with boost skills to focus on first?

[fierce hull]

Cruel stab/sudden/flare - for farming
Assassinate/veil/me- for bossing
V1+v2 are wide hits and good for fest farming
Try to craft rope lift first
And if you cant survive arcane fields then try to lvl up arcane symbols and craft Decent combat order/Hyper body to your v skills

[shut merlin]

Question, is this hyper stat relevant for shads?

[fierce hull]

Ya we max it usually

[feral sentinel]

Almost every class uses it im pretty sure

[drifting geyser]

Thanks for the advice

[slim thicket]

Can any one tell me what’s the perfected trio for hunting / bossing

[strange ivy]

With 60s of your own research within this thread you will figure it out, best of luck

[dusk ledge]

Nate/meso explosion/veil for bossing and stab/darkflare/sudden raid for hunting.

[dense sphinx]

this forum format on the class channels is a mistake, ctrl+f here is searching the entire class forum instead of just shadower

[feral sentinel]

U need to check pins

[dense sphinx]

Hmm i dont see any, is it under #1059991588643811388?

[strange ivy]

Click on „settings“ you’ll see pinned msg

[dense sphinx]

Oh lol, weird because other channels have pin message on this UI, tysm

[feral sentinel]

Yeah mobile pins sucks

[proud slate]

what hyper stats should i focus on for shad?

[strange ivy]

^

[proud slate]

whats the damage cap? or should i just put a couple points jn it and just forget about it until i get much better gear?

[strange ivy]

oh, those

just the same as for everybody
cap,adi,fd,pd,ba, cd

[proud slate]

okay ty. still fairly new

just been leveling a bunch of classes i think look cool but im enjoying this one so i might make it my main

[strange ivy]

good choice

[noble barn]

can anyone link me a good AB skill wheel?

[fierce hull]

Pre 200- cruel stab, flair, sudden, veil and ME for quick execution
200+ - same skills and add v1 (30s cd) v2 (15scd), v4 (1mincd), u can ues venom also but u can wait with thet

[fierce hull]

Up there

[proud slate]

this worth grabbing or wait for another to show up?

[strange ivy]

Low cuts, I’d say wait

[proud slate]

went ahead and grabbed since i never see cd jaihins. been looking for awhile. but i have enough crystals for scissors

[strange ivy]

That’s not the problem, you want a tradeable one to not having to cut it when trying necro attempts on alts. This way it’ll stuck at your main

[proud slate]

oh i see what you mean. rip

the scania server seems to have very little shadower gear on trade station so i just didnt want someone to take it while i was sleeping

[strange ivy]

well, you can use it for now its very decent for a long time i just wouldnt invest too much into it

[proud slate]

should i bother exalting it?

[strange ivy]

purely depends on your wallet, you can try to exalt it to 40 for now
Shadower with lv.40 mythic weapon can still do a lot of content, iirc my 1st lotus runs were with a lv.40 mythic dagger and thats been like 2? years ago so with the increase in base mdc & stats you should be totally fine until then and can still work a sideprojet from there on

[proud slate]

alright cool tyty 🙂

[sand yew]

damn, did u have max nodes?

[forest remnant]

@strange ivy plz carry me

[strange ivy]

the trios yes, the vskills back in the days no

i think around lv.10-15? but we just had v1 & v2 i think

[noble barn]

is shadower more f2p friendly or DS?

[forest remnant]

Correct answer is no class is f2p friendly

[edgy shoal]

^

But shadowers will be buying potions less than everyone else so that’s a f2p plus I guess

[dreamy arch]

The trios are confusing me. Do I have the correct bases?

I seen the image that's pinned and I was running a different setup before but I cant' find the correct stack

[strange ivy]

1st & 2nd bossing if you got +5 on the slots each
5th & 6th at least have the correct base, both 2 out of 3 correct just last skill wrong

[dreamy arch]

This is currently how I have mine setup at the moment

Should I equip 1st and second then extract the rest that are 20+?

[strange ivy]

nah u dont have enough matrix points yet

id say put 5 matrix on your v4 instead of your v2

and put 1st, 2nd and 4th trio for bossing so you will have at least veil & assa at lv.60 even tho Meso explosion would be better than Veil

if you wanna ignore the farming trios, thats up to you feel free to extract even tho i wouldnt recommend

[dreamy arch]

So best to run it like this for now?

The image compared to my setup for the middle setup looks all different, does that matter?

Like the skills in the trio setup are in different locations

[strange ivy]

That doesnt matter, the important thing is just that you have the 3 skills in that trio

i just happen to hit different trios

and dont invest too much into common v's yet until you maxed out your bursts

v3 >v4 > v1 > v2 lv.19 looks good so far, try to get a 3rd trio with Veil as base + assa & meso explosion

ME is just too good of a "passive" dmg dealer to miss out on it

[dreamy arch]

Gotcha, thanks a lot!

[harsh cobalt]

Hey whatsupp can someone send a skill wheel and presets for boss?

[humble pond]

guys is there a way to use v2 without teleporting to boss?

[shrewd timber]

anyone has skillwheel for AB lv 200 shadower ?

[fierce hull]

no part if thet skill is teleport behind and att, it is what it is

[fierce hull]

No

The usual skills plus v1-2-4 and venom thets what i do

[noble barn]

hey guys. is shadower better at bossing then NW?

[supple ore]

imo yes

messed up and put a stat into cruel stab awhile back

I know I want assassinate max so do I go ME reinforce and Crit DMG or enhance

[strange ivy]

at everything

[fierce hull]

Well, ME reinforced and CD is the best option
Enhance is pretty useless because its just means thet the coins will get faster from monsters, it doesn't mean it lets you hit more lines and ether way ME can auto cast every 10-15sec so it useless (in my opinion)

[whole spear]

Whats the best skill setting for bossing?, sorry guys im kind of new in this game lvl 210 shad, but im having trouble setting my skills for my burst

[forest remnant]

This is what i use, but im still a noob a shadower

[whole spear]

Niceee tyvm

This is what i have for now, i didn't know venom burst was good

[forest remnant]

Wouldnt waste node slot for it till you have more

[whole spear]

okay, I'll take it into account Ty

[sand bear]

On average how many nodes would it take to max out v skills and bossing boost nodes?

[fierce hull]

You should consider switching between last resort and shadow walker skill for extra FD and decrease Cooldown for dark sight

[fierce hull]

54 for boost and 110for skill

[forest remnant]

toolazy to min max my damage, honestly just leave it on pet buffs

[fierce hull]

Lol so u abso kinda shde uh.... Leed the way master!!

[noble barn]

which would you guys say is better for dps. shadower or night lord?

[strange ivy]

[dusk ledge]

If it’s straight dps, night lords will be better. But shads have more mobility and iframes. Night lords are like glass cannons.

[dusk ledge]

He's number 1 shad, gotta listen to him.

[noble barn]

@dusk ledge thanks for the info 😊

[forest remnant]

Plz dont lie to yourself like that Mr.Goat

[dusk ledge]

[forest remnant]

[strange ivy]

i'd agree with the goats

[forest remnant]

Yes! You and Tksg

[fierce hull]

🐐🐐🐐

[whole spear]

Hey guys, its worth to max this??

[strange ivy]

yes

[strange ivy]

non that has happened to me so far, any details?

[strange ivy]

[torn kindle]

@strange ivy I'll delete my messages to not cause confusion

Thx

[strange ivy]

np

[proud slate]

finally 200 lets fcking go

[slender lichen]

Hi just wanna ask for my mule shadower, do i also follow this perfect tri node as well?

Cause my hyper skill pumped all 3 into cruel stab

[strange ivy]

If it’s just for farming and not for bossing you can ignore it, if u r able to kill the mobs with cruel stab properly otherwise you’ll need Asssinate

[slender lichen]

Alright thanks.

[whole spear]

Hi guys! I just hit my necro in my third try, now the question is, boss dmg or crit dmg??

[strange ivy]

Crit

Overall math is ~ 2% cd = 1% ba and as u can see you got like 4x the amount

[whole spear]

Thx broo !

[hot cloak]

Hi friends, I just got to 220, wondering whether to open the extra slot and what to put in it, in boss mode, replacing the eye buff with the hp buff and the rope for DS4. If you have any suggestions on how to improve or where to improve first in levels.

[strange ivy]

dont u run with a paladin anyways? So you dont need Decent Combat Orders

[hot cloak]

Most of the time I am

But even with full buff really hard to hit cap stable

It’s only me or all the shadowar

[strange ivy]

we've had this discussion alr, you are hitting your cap

[hot cloak]

Hhhhhhhhh

Hit yes but not stable

[low lodge]

@strange ivy hey can you guise me on shadower stuff. I just got started what gear should i focus on? I a lot of 200+ running full penslar anything that give xp boost. Also are there any pinna for good rotations and perfect nodes to focus on? Any adive would be appreciated.

[strange ivy]

the ppl 200+ with full pensalir are most likely just their farming equipment, everything shad-related should be pinned here already
Overall the guides and tips in #1252420400181415987 etc are pretty much your go-to

[supple ore]

do y'all equip phase dash in your farming skill wheel?

[manic ibex]

@strange ivy Hey i know you a shadower main i wanted to pick your brain a bit in regard to progression ive seen the reddit guide to progress but i need to figure out which route to take from where i am and it seems you are a seasoned player

Let me know if you got a few minutes

[forest remnant]

hes the goat of shadowers, can ask him anything

[manic ibex]

Thats why im trying to ask for some guidance :p

Dont want to waste his time though lol

[forest remnant]

i have to ask him a question too actually, #1 shadower please spare us some time

[strange ivy]

@forest remnant is the 🐐 my man pumping out 150k+ culvert like it’s nothing, if somebody can help it’s defo him
Me just small fishie 🐟

[forest remnant]

you added an extra 0

15k culvert

[manic ibex]

alright which one of you sexy goats can help me out lol

lmfao

O.O

[strange ivy]

i dont even know how to play this class, im just pretending

jawn is the better person to ask, trust me

[manic ibex]

:[ okays no one want to guide a returning player

sorry wasted time bois

❤️ you though

[supple ore]

you didn't ask a question 🧐

[fierce hull]

I do.... Its look like im moving faster but im killing the mobs in 1-2 lines

[blissful heron]

Smoking game class

[jovial geyser]

[blissful heron]

Itachi recommended class

[whole spear]

Hey guys, was wondering for a Shad which emblem is better BA or CD, i got those by fusing, and was working on the BA one and then got the CD one

[forest remnant]

@strange ivy

[iron compass]

@forest remnant the goat

He can answer

[forest remnant]

[iron compass]

Patty didn't even max his emblems you really think he can give good advice here

[forest remnant]

@whole spear honestly both work as shadowers, comes down to what stats you need more of but id lean more towards BA as shadowers have no passive buffs for stats and CD is easier to get meanwhile BA is harder to get

For myself i rolled half cd and half BA on my gears

[whole spear]

Hmmm ok ill try to split too, rite now i have 2 BA and 1 CD

[strange ivy]

[strange ivy]

Im 2-6 lol, I just took whatever I could get my hands on

[supple ore]

does trick blade give i-frames? I feel like I'm avoiding damage sometimes when I shouldn't be

[strange ivy]

yea like 1.ish seconds

pretty good for yellow eyes in

[supple ore]

oh thats sick!! thanks dude

[blissful heron]

OP

[twin summit]

Just hit lvl lvl 200, should I expand to 6 slots instantly? And I don't have a messo explosion+ assa+ veil yet sadly.. what should be my priority for now from these 3 skills and also should I get 3 boost nodes on or first get the 4 skill nodes on?

[supple ore]

expand what you can afford, the slots definitely come in handy, if you don't have perfect trios yet I'd probably focus meso explosion + assassinate as those will be your top DPS

maybe itachi can drop in and give you some actual good advice tho

[twin summit]

Ok so veil 3rd priority

And gotcha tyvm

[strange ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/863-project863-b27check-pins-b27-matthias-gif-25299246

[twin summit]

I actually did check the pins 😁

I just wanted to know which of the 3 skills I should prioritize cuz I didn't get a node with the 3 of them🥲

So it's just to know what to start with as a fresh lvl 200

I saw the "end goal" build tho thanks🙏

[supple ore]

@strange ivy sorry for the ping, would you say the class rebalance for shadower is overall positive or negative? looking very positive but ME and assa slightly nerfed

I lied assa kinda looks like a buff, just ME nerf

[strange ivy]

ME tend to cap quite easily, so might be a buff in the end
we gotta see

[supple ore]

let me know your consensus

[edgy shoal]

Feel like it’ll be net positive with the extra damage from the buffs. Sucks to lose some skill damage but increase to buffs seems nice for now. We’ll see

[forest remnant]

@strange ivy too op

[broken atlas]

this update made me doubtful about something, how much 10% skill damage worth when compared to another stats
coz we lost 20% of skill dmg on ME, this is pretty huge to me

[strange ivy]

we'll see tomorrow

[forest remnant]

I think it’ll effect more early-mid game shadowers

End game i dont think be too much of a difference

I have a baseline so ill see if its a nerf or a buff

[supple ore]

thank you for this ! please report back after your testing

[fierce hull]

ME got nerff

[dusk ledge]

Keep us updated number 1 shadower.

[forest remnant]

….stop the cap please

[dusk ledge]

no cap

[supple ore]

have you done any testing :0

[edgy shoal]

This is with a mix of 30s/50s and BA and PD tangs