Night Lord

[graceful salmon]

Out of curiosity, would a craftable decent skill (where level slightly affects duration) satisfy your version of your need for another iframe? Or are you more-so asking for a NL buff version only? 👀

[proud holly]

Anything like a revive or short iframe like fual blade something extra on our toolkit.

[opaque steppe]

What would be a good trio if I was just focusing on farming right now?

[iron pond]

Showdown, assassin mark, and sudden raid

[opaque steppe]

Thank ya

[stray parrot]

Where should I go with nodes from here? Besides a quad/mark/showdown trio

[graceful salmon]

Unless you’re a whale, decent HB is very useful for us (whales tend to be deep into exalts on HP gear and have sufficient HP for most content without looking for sources of it). Otherwise you’re doing good, just continue maxing. Bring in your other trios when you’re ready. You seem to be doing fine as is lol.

Very nice

[normal vector]

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[rustic ether]

..

[rustic ether]

anyone knows why this pops up whenever i try to swap throw blasting out?

[tawny inlet]

I think the buff or the cooldown is still busy

Once it’s over u can swap it. But if you have it on your pet it will automatically buff again. So u will need to remove it from your pet. But ik not sureeee

[rustic ether]

not sure too ahah, wasnt on my pet or anything haha

[normal vector]

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[grim thorn]

The passive effect was probably on

[tawny inlet]

Anyone know which skill nodes I need to max up first with my matrix points? (The extra 5 levels)? I’m level 218.

[iron pond]

You’re trios first

Followed by your burst vskills

[tawny inlet]

Tyyy

[rustic ether]

p2

bc thats rng and u need to get them via opening node stones to find the trio that suits you

[woven stump]

usually u will need to spam open nodes till u get the best trio then if u need to max them only craft the same base and level

[stray parrot]

@restive lodge what are the stats/what would you recommend after maxing main burst skills? I’m unsure if I should dump into shadow walker, last resort, maple world goddess blessing or decent hyper body next

[restive lodge]

Go for character skills ( Maple World Godess, Shadow Walker, and Last Resort) last thing to do are the decent skills which only gives extra PA%.

[stray parrot]

Ah I was thinking I might get some needed HP, but generally get the real thing anyways from party members. Any DMG ignore on those 3 maxed out? I don’t have any flames with it yet so I have 2.9% + w/e I get from vskills

This is where I’m sitting and these path of proof nodes level up fast

[eternal panther]

yea

[rustic ether]

yea

[graceful salmon]

3 trios are usually used when you want to full max a boosted skill without investing matrix slot levels into it. Lv25+25+10

[rustic ether]

get an extra slot every 5 levels or u can pay mesos to access some slots earlier

thats bc his slots were enhanced to level 5, (25+5)*2=60 levels

[inland shuttle]

Can someone show me there bossing skill wheel and ab skill wheel?

[rustic ether]

its on pinned message

[inland shuttle]

Fresh lvl 200 this is my current skill wheel for bossing. Should I change anything ?

[iron pond]

get rid of four seasons

[inland shuttle]

Not worth using if it’s apart of my trio node ?

[iron pond]

yeah not worth it, the casting animation takes up dps time

[eternal panther]

Dark sight is 5 seconds in kmsm now I think

[woven stump]

HAHAHA 5 sec bro NL is gone

[restive lodge]

But there is a new iframe with 10s

[eternal panther]

oh which one

[restive lodge]

First skill

[eternal panther]

interesting new 4th job skill

[normal vector]

They removed the DS cooldown removal on sudden raid?

-10s every use of sudden raid?

Is that a buff to v4?

[iron pond]

What? If that’s so, then they made sudden raid useless in boss battles

[restive lodge]

I am not sure about that tbh

[restive lodge]

We will have extra seconds for dpsing since sudden raid is not counted as a dps skill

[iron pond]

Yeah that is true, not a huge loss

[tidal halo]

wow they changed some of our skills? When did this happen?
Any links to the kmsm forums? For some reason my old links keep redirecting me back to our msm forums ._.

[iron pond]

The change didn’t happen yet

[tidal halo]

Oh i meant for kmsm. Would be exciting to look forward to it haha. The V2, V4 adjustments look wild

[eternal panther]

youtube

[normal vector]

is it good wild?

[iron pond]

Who knows with Nexon driving

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-reckless-driver-accident-driver-asian-gif-3815730

[rustic ether]

#buffnightlord i guess

[tidal halo]

It does look pretty good in Sword’s photo above. The V4 went from 14 lines to 147 lines? 🌚 would say that’s pretty wild. And that Shurrikane buff by 11 hits per tick is pretty dope too

But I can no longer access kmsm from my own link. Keeps redirecting me to the English sites.. was gonna pop over and take a look at the skill changes

[rustic ether]

thatd mean thta other jobs are gonna get better buffs too LUL

[restive lodge]

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/juCBK4kz63h7H0-7Bef55Q

There you go

Had the same issue before

But that should work

[tidal halo]

What to do... they like to shove us haiz. But we are no longer seeing reductions in our skills for a change!

[rustic ether]

would that be considered an improvement for 4seasons?

[tidal halo]

Damn ok... V4 went from 14 hits to 18 hits. Still not bad at all, with at least 25% improvement!

I think 4 seasons is considered an improvement. They seem to have increased the hit counts and put our sudden raid's effect to it (i'm guessing the DoT and the DS cd) to encourage its use

[sturdy grotto]

new invincible skill for us !!

[rustic ether]

yayy

[sick trail]

Staying off?

[graceful salmon]

Huh

[rustic ether]

Huh

[visual oasis]

Huh

[storm verge]

Yes off

[harsh igloo]

Nice

[inland shuttle]

Best hyper stat order for NL? And when’s an ideal time to start lvling them? Currently lvl 205

[ornate mist]

is there any post for optimal skill rotation for SC/Bossing?

Typically I start with:
Throw Blasting v4
Frailty curse
Dark Flare
Venom Burst
Shurrikane v2
Dark Lord's Omen v3
True Arachnid Reflection Will skill
Quad star/Four season

[sick trail]

Need advice on Night Lord V Matrix what should I improve or replace?

[iron pond]

@ornate mist seems like you’re throwing out a lot of skills during your burst. Remove some of those skills from your wheel. Four season is useless, take off curse and flare, I don’t personally use Venom burst but a lot of others do

[iron pond]

You need two sets of the same trios or 4 sets of all your perfect trio

[iron pond]

For NL, decent Hyper Body is a must for us because we’re….delicate

I like to switch out rope for DS4 for bossing, think everyone does this

[mint marten]

Hey guys for throwing star barrage (V1) when it active do we have to stand right in front of the boss or it's just an animation that split to top and bottom direction ?

[rustic ether]

haha ure actually making NL for lotus?

yes we need to stand infront of the boss :/

[mint marten]

Why do you think that 😂

[rustic ether]

[sick trail]

Can you send me the all perfect trio?

[keen stag]

Check the pins - I think they're still relevant.

Some guy shared a very well written thing: #1059991474357424148 message

[graceful salmon]

Boost nodes that you’re after are in the pins. It’s RNG as to what you get and don’t get, so we can’t tell you exactly what to get. You should settle with whatever you end up with and figure it out as you go along. You can always ask for help on decisions you’re actively making. But you ideally want to divvy the trios up into something useful for your playstyle.

I.e. if you prefer to switch boost nodes between auto battling and bossing, then you are most likely going to be separating your trios based on that. Or if you don’t want to swap and don’t mind the inefficiency, you can make a set of the main things you want from both your ab and your bossing skills so that you don’t need to keep swapping. Again, the RNG factor from opening nodestones makes this hard to advise directly.

[keen stag]

Bossing trio - four seasons may be swapped out idk. Some guy always said it's useless now.

[graceful salmon]

While I respect that playstyle, 18 lines of 300% skill dmg is still worthwhile to me
I just leave that up to players deciding how they want their skill wheel setup

[keen stag]

Same.

[hidden nebula]

@hexed pine everything you need is pinned in here.

[hexed pine]

Looking already

I’m just trying to find out the first five skill i should be focusing on at level 200

I know rope lift is one of the important ones

[hidden nebula]

No one is going to give you a step by step. The question youre asking is more of a personal one. what do YOU need with where youre at rn.
Are you ABing? Rope lift.
Do you have your main boost nodes down?
What is going to help you where YOURE at rn. other than that, i dont see anything that cant be answered from the pinned.

Pinned section is literally broken down into Mobbing/AB, bossing, V1-V4, its very detailed.

And if youre confused on the whole matrix system, then consider the suggestion earlier in game-help and read this. #msm-game-help message

[ornate mist]

I've tried with and without four season, the dmg is probably 1-2b difference not that huge.

I will remove it because using four season causes the char to freeze on the spot for animation casting which is bad for most bosses xD

[tidal halo]

Four seasons will likely need to be back into the skill wheel after the next readjustment update. Will be buffed quite significantly

[iron pond]

I hope the changes are good enough incentive to put it back in either bossing or farming

[tidal halo]

18 hits > 27 hits despite skill % changed from 400% to 270% should still be ok I think? Plus the darksight cooldown effect will be applied there instead. So every 10s of 4 season cast we can cut DS’s cooldown instead of the current 30s. Should be neat

[iron pond]

Oh very neat! It’ll increase our survivability

I hope they increase the hit box of 4 season.

And reduce the cast animation

If they do all that, what’s the point of sudden raid then?

[normal vector]

THESE ARE IN KMSM CHANGES?

[restive lodge]

I don’t think it will have that effect

[restive lodge]

^^

[harsh igloo]

When we should get that?
This upcoming update??

[rustic ether]

looks like theres a rebalance patch in aug-sep according to a screenshot thats been circulating ytd

[red estuary]

For NL hyper stats, after maxed out FD PD MDC, what's next? BA or CD or Additional Skill DMG?

[iron pond]

Additional dmg

[normal vector]

New NL skill in next class balance?

[red estuary]

Need to maxed out this Add Skill DMG first before start increasing BA lv?

[graceful salmon]

Yea

[red estuary]

O dear... ok

[hexed pine]

Do we need decent sharp eye for v matrix or is that a total waste?

[iron pond]

Eventually you’ll unlock sharp eye but it’s not the first priority.

[hexed pine]

Well I have hb, rope hang, I’m going to get a free slot next level

So maybe sharp eye next?

It’s starting to look juicy

From being level 190 2 weeks ago, pretty good progress and I got a brand new mythic hat too

Couldn’t have done it myself without this guide, where do I give thumbs up

[iron pond]

I wouldn't worry about decent skills like sharp eye yet

Your first piority for those limited slots are for your trios, and other vskills

[hexed pine]

Yes sir

[trim prism]

Hi guys, do you all use true arachnid? Is it worth to level up the skill?

[graceful salmon]

Sorry I don’t speak whale

If you have a good amount of exp nodes saved up it’s worth it, the dmg increase is noticeable. But you gotta get some levels on it for that dmg

[iron pond]

I’m curious if buying the skill from shop to level up would be cheaper

They’re so cheap now

Versus using exp nodes

[graceful salmon]

Can’t run Will regardless so I leave that to yall

[proud dove]

You'll need 108 of those or so, depends on your server but wasn't worth it for me atleast

[rustic ether]

whats the price in ur server

[proud dove]

At lowest I bought mine for 22m, but they're usually around 35-45m

[trim prism]

Should we use the experience nodestone to level up the true arachnid ? If all the trios, and other skills have maxed?

[iron pond]

Oh I thought you only need about 30

I’m not sure if it’s worth it, I have it max but never use it

[hardy igloo]

Are night lords super squishy ? And how many iframes do they have ?

[keen stag]

stop rerolling.

yes super squishy.

1 iframe.

[iron pond]

Is it just me or we can never hold aggro even top dps?

[keen stag]

it's you

need a bigger cap gap

[iron pond]

[hardy igloo]

I can’t ><

[hardy igloo]

How squishy is super squishy LOL 😂😂😂 is it cause of low defense?

[hardy igloo]

Nexon is telling me to rr right now with this equipment change event T.T

[iron pond]

If a red snail looks your at you the wrong way….youre dead

[hardy igloo]

😂😂😂😂 so it’s actually bad alright thanks LOL

[hardy igloo]

What’s the best trio for bossing ? Is it still the same ? Quad mark and four season ?

[hardy igloo]

And which 5th job skill do I max first ?

[iron pond]

Sheepey has info pin with pics

Let us know if you have questions, your burst is your bread and butter, omen, barrage, and this other skill I forgot the name

[hardy igloo]

Shurrikane ?

So max one and barrage first ?

Omen **

[hardy igloo]

I read the pins but it shows 6 trios to max but I wanna focus on 3 right now mostly for bossing because I don’t have the node space

[iron pond]

Ahh ok

[iron pond]

The important trio is assassin mark and quad

The other 4 is optional

[hardy igloo]

Ahh ok tyty

Which skill do I max first ? Barrage or omen ?

[iron pond]

Barrage

[hardy igloo]

Okkk

[keen stag]

LOL

[hexed pine]

I have 12 experience node that I had saved up, which is the most optimal skill that I should be levelling up first with my experience node?

[hexed pine]

Anyone got any idea

[iron pond]

either put it in barrage and omen or decent hyper body

[keen stag]

decent hyper body?

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-meme-wait-a-minute-gif-14484132

[eternal panther]

Need buff

[iron pond]

Wut? Did I miss something

[eternal panther]

Probably asking why decent hyper body

[keen stag]

decent hyper body doesn't increase the hp % boost, only phy atk.

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-7922961204564264622

am I mistaken?

or missing something? LOL

[iron pond]

Yes you’re right

I meant that as exp nodes are better used on decent skills in the long run

And his first decent skill is hyper body, since NL really always have it on

[eternal panther]

I don’t got hyper body

I do have one slot that I haven’t used yet so probably will use it

[graceful salmon]

Nathan’s body is finally hyper

[solar niche]

Hi, Im really2 new on this game

Can we upgrade all skills? Or limited to the points later?

Right now I only have lucky seven and some passive. dont know if i need to max all of this

[rustic ether]

yeah u can

there is a limit for hyper passives later on but u could max out everything before that

[solar niche]

Ok so just max out everything?

[rustic ether]

yuh

[solar niche]

Thanks!

[rustic ether]

np

[harsh igloo]

When NL get buffed?
I’m too weak

[rustic ether]

one can only dream 🥲

[eternal panther]

next update 100%

[rustic ether]

hearsay we will be quite strong with 6th job as well

[eternal panther]

Yea

[rustic ether]

looks sick damn

oh that's not a burst skill

[harsh igloo]

Next month update?

[rustic ether]

i believe the patch next month was only a rebalancing patch

we getting a new iframe iirc?

[eternal panther]

should be around winter

[harsh igloo]

No clue

[graceful salmon]

Trojin never weak

[keen stag]

Sheepeysuperstrong

[eternal panther]

Carry pls

[tidal halo]

hahah.. did you finally start feeling the pressure from shadower and other classes

[rustic ether]

gotta do that #buffnl more to be heard

[tidal halo]

If they follow the kmsm buff rebalance, it should be a major improvement for both omen and throw blasting.
Which is really going to be appreciated cuz the off burst downtime is really quite terrible

[rustic ether]

ohh i dont remember reading about that, what are the improvements?

[eternal panther]

yeah off burst we are weak

[tidal halo]

It doesnt even out adequately with the bursts... hence will get gapped. Not sure about the mdc difference of his team make up but im guessing his statement was made due to his observation in recent bosses.

[tidal halo]

From boss Sword a few weeks/months back:

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/juCBK4kz63h7H0-7Bef55Q

[rustic ether]

ahh about the line count improvements?

[drifting totem]

Will the update help us survive in auto battle? This class is like a glass cannon.

[iron pond]

We’re not even a cannon, we just dish out our burst within 5 secs

[eternal panther]

auto battle not that hard to survive if geared decently

[keen stag]

yea what nate said

[proud dove]

Yea

[harsh igloo]

Just realized thanks to 🗡️

Fd is so important for NL

I wasn’t capping

[proud dove]

🗡 da real MVP

[rustic ether]

whats the FD we should be aiming for for our class?

[proud dove]

Every class wants % fd as high as possible to be honest

Best stat in the game since it adds raw % dmg increase instead of being taken into a formula where you need to balance out multiple stats

[rustic ether]

u know some classes like heroes got ridiculous FD buffs etc im at like 75 rn but it still wouldnt be as high as then even if i rolled FD souls on all of my eqs

[proud dove]

Ofcourse if you're sacrificing one stat for another then sometimes you'll loose out, for example I swapped my 20% p att soul for a 10% final damage one and lost like 2m dps (it's nothing really 😂) but I did loose instead of gain

[proud dove]

Yeah some classes have a higher base % final damage, just like some classes like archers usually have a higher % crit rate then others

In the end nexon did calculate it through a formula so don't let yourself get bothered if you got 50% fd and some hero with way worse gear is over 100% fd for example

[eternal panther]

#BuffNL

[rustic ether]

#BuffNL

[proud dove]

Yea

[iron pond]

Are you all MDC souls? whats your MDC now?

[graceful salmon]

#BuffNL

[harsh igloo]

My mdc is 183m
I gave up on wep and 2 armor mdc souls

[rustic ether]

ah is that the point u start rr-ing souls to FD?

[harsh igloo]

I mean
I try to see the overall picture

Eventually 4.5m cap is 2%

It’s a lil bit more than arcane exalt

Then it’s hard to cap the little lines and clone stuff

[eternal panther]

op

[rustic ether]

yeah true that

[eternal panther]

Heard 6th job increases fd to our old skills

[rustic ether]

could be sick

[tidal halo]

I think it does. No harm increasing more mdc in the meantime xD

[restive lodge]

Yeah but your quad stars is your main attack so you want a high base fd to keep hitting the cap not just when the buffs are up.

[proud dove]

Yeah especially your main bossing skill, for example dual blade's phantom blow goes from 330% skill damage to a whopping 530% skill damage (this is pc info btw, idk about kmsm and how much it will actually be once 6th job gets released for us)

Also tons of extra stats added with hexa stat

[iron pond]

I guess we’ll find out soon

#BuffNL

[harsh igloo]

When 6th job out and when rebalancing?

[eternal panther]

They said rebalancing next patch. 6th job probably in December or January

[iron pond]

Rebalance is the next update and so is 6th job

Idk why they’re stretching 6th job for the next 3-4months so I’m not entirely sure

[proud dove]

It's prep for 6th job, will not be released next update

Prob will be released in either december with Darknell or Januari with Black mage

[iron pond]

Make sense

But rebalancing is for sure coming next

[restive lodge]

Yeah but what do we expect for NL

We need some extra dmg% for our NLM and quad stars

[iron pond]

Our dark sight is getting a slight nerf, and four seasons is getting a buff

That’s all I know but I’m sure there’s more

[restive lodge]

Yeah I know these things

But do you think it will be worth using 4season ?

[iron pond]

I’m curious at what part in my MDC journey will I stop capping

[restive lodge]

I will do some tests before the update without 4season

And after with 4season

[iron pond]

I want to assume so if Nexon is making this change, plus it has a shorter CD than sudden raid

[restive lodge]

Are you capping NLM and quad stars ?

[iron pond]

What’s NLM again?

[restive lodge]

Night lord mark

[iron pond]

I believe so last time I checked

[restive lodge]

You have to see the avg dmg

[iron pond]

But my MDC is not as high as you guys, when I checked I was around 80m

I’m at 91m now

[restive lodge]

You must hit 63m as a max dmg I think

For NLM

[iron pond]

I’ll check my last boss run

[rustic ether]

we need a buff dang

[rustic ether]

oo wow

[iron pond]

That’s my best run on Hard Archon

[rustic ether]

my NLM is like 20m below my cap or something

[iron pond]

So I’m assuming that’s why my NLM is hitting cap

[eternal panther]

op

[rustic ether]

hea

[iron pond]

@harsh igloo Why it must be this way brother?

[harsh igloo]

Didn’t buff give it a try

[graceful salmon]

Good guy trojin

[proud holly]

Guys for jewels i have the blue phy dmg

But i see some videos where they have purple boss

Which is is better,?

[proud dove]

At first % boss damage is best, then later down the road of progression there's a turning point (around lvl 40 abso's) where the p dmg jewels are better

Best would be to do your own testing if you're close to that point

[proud holly]

Ok ty I guess I will juat continue with phy dmg

[iron pond]

Just get SSS exp jewels

[harsh igloo]

So should I switch to pd?

I got boss jewels

[eternal panther]

Thought it depends which stat you got lower of

[rustic ether]

flames as well i think

[harsh igloo]

I mean 12% boss attack is nothing

It’s barely 5% of my base boss attack

On the other hand my base phy dmg is only 200%

[proud dove]

I think you're long due to swapping to p dmg jewels 😅

I would suggest doing your own testing to know for certain, but at your stage of progression you should benefit more from p dmg then boss atk

And yeah tina had a good point, would also kind of depend on your flames, if everything flamed to benefit from boss dmg then it could be different, but most choose % hp to be able to do certain bosses and they will benefit more from p dmg

[harsh igloo]

Not buffed

[proud dove]

You could test it with just using s rank boss jewels and s rank p dmg jewels and test 1 min dps to see which benefits more

But I'm quite certain for you it'll be p dmg (unless everything is flamed to ba)

[harsh igloo]

Well noted thank you
Will try

[proud dove]

Let me know how it went curious about the results

And np!

[eternal panther]

ba gives some cr too lol

[rustic ether]

cd is it

oh ba cd and cr

[harsh igloo]

Well I cap with both ba/pd

No difference

[rustic ether]

ig the difference aint huge

[harsh igloo]

Well nothing to do atm
Can’t tap hat/shoulder

[proud dove]

What about your min dmg lines and avg lines?

Or also cap both?

[harsh igloo]

Cap when buffed

Maybe in vhilla no entirely

[eternal panther]

Purple jewel looks cooler anyway lol

[proud dove]

Try unbuffed

Or gotta wait untill you hit arcane

You're too strong atm 😂

https://tenor.com/view/tracoon-tracoon-too-rich-tracoon-suffering-from-success-gif-1458791985615496704

[harsh igloo]

Too expensive

I’m f2p now

[rustic ether]

same

[eternal panther]

Same

[harsh igloo]

U r the ultimate f2p

[eternal panther]

Strongest

[iron pond]

We’re all f2p until we need to exalt

[restive lodge]

Try increasing the def%

If you were in training ground

[low acorn]

Is this the recommended hyper passive still?

[boreal frost]

Ok NLs of the world I need your help

I’m stuck in culvert and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong

I have more IED, more phy atk, new skill (235), more mdc and it’s still the same between 17-19k

[rustic ether]

do u have a vid

[boreal frost]

Vid?

What you mean

[rustic ether]

video

[boreal frost]

Mmm no but I can make a video

[low acorn]

Are these the recommended hayper skills?

Showdown - Reinforce
Showdown - Spread
Showdown - Enhance
Quad Star - Reinforce
Quad Star - Boss Rush
Death Star
Bleed Dart
Epic Adventure

[graceful salmon]

Pre-200, sure. Post-200, or after you start trying to boss seriously, can convert to 3 quad and 2 curse or showdown if you want. I know some NL don’t even use curse when bossing

[vague shoal]

I’m thinking of job change from ho young should I do it????

[rustic ether]

#BuffNL

[iron pond]

With a lvl50 abso wep, at what MDC do we have trouble hitting cap?

[hardy igloo]

What vskills do we max out after trios and omen, barrage, and blasting is done ?!

[iron pond]

Correct

[hardy igloo]

What do I max after those ? @iron pond

[rustic ether]

the last v skill that u hasnt maxed

[iron pond]

Yeah you won’t have many choices after that

[hardy igloo]

Was thinking are the class skills worth maxing (maple blessing, last resort, the poison one) or max decent nodes.

[rustic ether]

v skills then class skills then decent skills

[hardy igloo]

Ok tyty for clarification

[graceful salmon]

Venom burst last, if at all

[hardy igloo]

Was looking at that too . Does it interfere with bleeding dart?

[rustic ether]

it just doesn't really do much

[graceful salmon]

It takes nearly maxing it before it is worth it (and barely, at that), so do it last

[hardy igloo]

Ok so finish shurikane, maple goddess, then decent nodes ?

[graceful salmon]

Nah I’d put decent skill after that, because they’ll only give PA

But again that’s if you even wanna use venom burst. Some don’t use it depending on their situation

[eternal panther]

Venom burst does Tiny damage

[rustic ether]

unbanned?

[eternal panther]

Yeah they fixed it yesterday

[rustic ether]

nice

[hardy igloo]

So just skip venom burst. Do last resort and shadow walker and goddess then decent

[unborn temple]

why skip venom burst?

[low acorn]

Am i the only one that feels the flashing emote the top of the screen is annoying? What would someone with epilepsy do if he came here?

[hexed pine]

Do we max out barrage or throw blast first?

[iron pond]

I think blast then barrage then omen

[hardy igloo]

Really ? I was told barrage omen then blast

[iron pond]

I had to do barrage first because blast was not out

So I’m not entirely sure, I only from a dps is that blast does so much dmg

So does omen

[rustic ether]

i did omen first

could use it to farm kek

[iron pond]

Good idea

If I had to pick again I’d do omen, blast, and barrage

But likely you’ll max all 3 around the same time frame

[rustic ether]

ye

[keen stag]

I kept everything the same/similar level.

Hate when I have a maxed skill and open nodestones and have extras.

[rustic ether]

yea

[boreal frost]

Go first blast, omen then barrage, our stronger burst is blast and omen

Look that test.

No buffs of any type

1 min each one

All skills maxed

Only Barrage and quad

Omen, blast and quad

[hexed pine]

Looks like omen does the most damage

[iron pond]

Usually it’s blast

[harsh igloo]

U miss

Tons of lines in quad

[boreal frost]

the second test is without barrage that’s why you don’t have the same lines as the first test

[harsh igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/mckinley-whale-big-gif-3873017581534036627

[tidal halo]

No need for the exact same core. As long as youre boosting the same 3 skills you'll be fine

[glad gust]

So looking at this… should I stop putting effort into throw barrage and focus on blasting / venom burst? And once those are maxed get sharp eyes?

[stray parrot]

Ignore venom burst for the foreseeable future. Throw blast and barrage biggest priority

[glad gust]

Sounds good. Been prioritizing these since Ancient wep out of my foreseeable future

[boreal frost]

First blast then barrage

[harsh igloo]

Blast barrage each to 20 first

Then max it

In any order to 25

Shurrikan very important also

[glad gust]

Ok cool. Will focus that way

[boreal frost]

Hi people I need some help here because Idk if I’m doing something wrong or this is normal as a NL, I have this ups and downs on the damage in every boss

For example this is my last solo Damien, the difference between my max - mid and avg is insane

[boreal frost]

And lucid

[keen stag]

Damien - you're probably standing on orbs.

Lucid, could be when you die there's a def buff to lucid or something.

[graceful salmon]

Wow you know the nuanced boss mechanics. That’s rare in msm tbh

[keen stag]

[normal vector]

https://youtu.be/ynW1EySTGWI

NL changes

[eternal panther]

Pc only

[normal vector]

NL buffs next patch?

[boreal frost]

Yup, if is the same as china yes

[tidal halo]

Did anyone gauge the NL rebalance in comparison with other classes' changes? are we finally on the more positive end rather than seeing nerfs every single rebalance patches

[normal vector]

Looks like iframe is like 2 min cd now

Rest r buffs

[rustic ether]

at least 2 iframes now ig

[normal vector]

Yea should help wit vhilla now

[rustic ether]

with the overall lines/damage buffs should be able to clear quicker

just hope that we wont have to be aggros if sacros getting nerfed too 🤣

[tidal halo]

usually NLs cant hold aggro for too long so it shouldn't be an issue haha. Tough luck on aggros - it should really be a tank's job but for some reason this gameplay doesnt exist in mapleM

[rustic ether]

having my aggro switched with someone 30m below me off burst sometimes and its kinda...

[tidal halo]

If they follow the kmsm rebalance to a certain extent, the burst will be quite solid so you should be able to hold it back from whoever was taking it off you.
Off burst wise it’s still going to be abysmal. If you watch some PC players they really just hit when bursting and focus on dodging when off burst 😂 they don’t even bother with off-burst quad star

[iron pond]

Our survival needs to be buff tbh

At least give us a way to hold aggro for more than 5 secs

[eternal panther]

Yeah

[keen stag]

Yeah

[graceful salmon]

Yeah

[harsh igloo]

Looks huge

[iron pond]

Does “Posey Jess” now reduce CD for our inframe?

[harsh igloo]

Hhh

That’s what I heard

https://tenor.com/view/mckinley-whale-big-gif-3873017581534036627

Nonetheless NL will be #1 class

[iron pond]

Our dmg is great but our survivability is lackluster

Thanks for translating! Im excited to see our new dmg output

[eternal panther]

Looks like four season worth using again

[normal vector]

Dual blade too strong

[keen stag]

rr dual blade

[iron pond]

#nerfDB

#buffNL

[harsh igloo]

NL will be op

More than db

[rustic ether]

whats happening to db this patch

[harsh igloo]

NL are king

Biggest boost from all classes

Every mid tier player with low cap (under 250m) could pass me on bosses

Where are the days I can outdps a 50m higher than me

Outdps

[rustic ether]

now we getting outdpsed by everyone

[proud dove]

Dark sight nerf, chains iframe duration increase to 5sec but cd atleast doubled
Other then that more lines to our vskills

[rustic ether]

[proud dove]

Dw, you still outdps me

[rustic ether]

what are you doing on nl forum u spy

[proud dove]

I'm on every thief forum

Come spy in DB forum aswell

[eternal panther]

NL needs more buffs

[harsh igloo]

Elite Nathan need more MDC

[eternal panther]

Yea

[graceful salmon]

Same

[cosmic kestrel]

Anyone thinking were gonna get nerfed in the upcoming update? :X

I wish they would lower HS CD lol.. give us more then 1 losey iframe for 2min

[rustic ether]

we need to whine harder if that's the case

#buffnl

[rustic ether]

whats HS

[cosmic kestrel]

Hidden sight I mean

[rustic ether]

ah dark sight

duration for ds is getting lowered from 10s to 5s allegedly

but we getting a new iframe on top of that allegedly

[tidal halo]

The rebalance did say some classes have lousy V skills which they are balancing.
I think in terms of V skill output ours isnt too bad. So theres a potential possibility we actually dont get rebalanced properly

[rustic ether]

we rely so much on those 10s when those skills are up

[tidal halo]

I think we should just wait for patch notes and expect nerfs.
Anything else that happens will then feel positive 😂

[rustic ether]

average nl experience #buffnl

[harsh igloo]

We get serious buff dude

That’s huge

15 seconds iframe

Massive skills boost

One of the most op jobs post patch

[rustic ether]

but we dont necessarily follow kmsm patches tho

[harsh igloo]

Paladins and phantoms getting hammered

[harsh igloo]

We do

U will see

[rustic ether]

thatd be sick

[harsh igloo]

100%

NL gonna be god

[rustic ether]

how good are they in kmsm now?

[harsh igloo]

Godly

Don’t forget some op jobs like pally and phantom getting nerfed

[iron pond]

Nerf them all!

[tidal halo]

There’s no way to kill future bosses in that state

[iron pond]

NL can do all the killing

[graceful salmon]

Buff NL

[eternal panther]

Buff

[rustic ether]

Buf

[grim thorn]

BuffNL

[keen stag]

BuffNL

[iron pond]

BuffNL

[static ether]

buff nooblord

[normal vector]

No buff to four seasons

[rustic ether]

ye 🙁

[cosmic kestrel]

So these are the changes from kms:
New Iframe 10sec, 2min cd
Hidden Sight reduced to 5sec

V4 burst small line boost
Dark Omen dmg % & huge lines increase on explosion(?)
Shurrikan cery nice boost to lines
Seasons still looks s**t? Lol they said they increased it alot to be a dmg skill but its a mere 0.9% boost O.o

Ahhh official is out!
Was just going over the kms one sent above lol

[rustic ether]

need dpm testers

[cosmic kestrel]

Hmmm interesting changes
I wonder how it will affect gameplay

[rustic ether]

nothing much, we just wont be a melee class anymorr

[cosmic kestrel]

Any1 wants to share fog / skilwheel combo?

Got to lvl 237 and might need to refresh my tactics abit

(Obviously will be different after patch, just wondering current 'meta' that works for you)

Wdym melee? We atk from far

[tidal halo]

Sigh... this means sudden raid is not as useful now. "Possy Jess" (LOL) is still as useless as before.
they didnt buff us as much as we had hoped

[rustic ether]

looks pretty mid lowkey

another day another #BuffNL

[tidal halo]

Cant tell if we got it as good as DB / shadower.. but I guess we can stop being melee

[normal vector]

Shadow walker still reduces DS cd

[tidal halo]

I think the best news is that NLmark got buffed. That part is pretty dope

[rustic ether]

yeah

gotta see howd that played out

along with maybe a bit more lines from barrage now that we can hit from further

[jade crag]

So four seasons still useless?

[proud holly]

They said , they adjusted the angle of barrage we will need to test if no need to melee anymore but it sounded like they juts narrow it a little so I might of gave us little more space but we should completely throw stars from far away will see how it works

Hopefully we can throw barrage from far away now

[rustic ether]

yeah

[normal vector]

Do you guys think you will use the new iframe skill with the V4+V1 preset together? Since they are 2 min CD?

Or separate the new iframe skill from the preset?

[tidal halo]

Probably still gotta keep it for safety usage in times of difficulty where we cant dodge lines and cant dodge purple/green strikes from VHilla haha

[cosmic kestrel]

+25% range no? Should also support ranging

[proud holly]

Well that's the quad star while barrage is active

But the actual barrage they will narrow it apparently but they not saying completely range

So it might give us a little more space to be more away from boss

But not completely im guessing only

Nl should be able to throw from far away

[iron pond]

Interesting

[weary cedar]

Yea

Sudden raid and 4s still useless

[normal vector]

Still using it for gloom hands

[weary cedar]

99% useless

They buffed v4 lmao

I guess having 80% of our dmg in a 10 second window wasn’t enough

They want 90% of our dmg in a 10 second burst

Might as well afk for the other 1 min 50s

[normal vector]

Passive

V4 passive still triggers

16 hit count

[weary cedar]

Basically nothing compared to the active

[normal vector]

They should increase our hit count when it’s off cd lol

[weary cedar]

Yea

Feel like barrage change won’t make a big difference

Need to be close for shurrikane anyways

[normal vector]

Not if ur aim is good 😉

[iron pond]

NL aim is not good otherwise he wouldn’t be wearing an eye patch

[harsh igloo]

Idk how you guys aren’t happy
All our skills got boosted
Barrage got range and no need to be melee

I’m very very happy

[weary cedar]

Yea but you still need to be melee for shurrikane

[harsh igloo]

And 15 sec iframes

[weary cedar]

Or 4S if you use it

[harsh igloo]

Ok? So cast it 1 second

That’s it

4 season useless still

[weary cedar]

Melee is fine anyways not even a big deal

[harsh igloo]

It is

Go to vhilla hard
It’s a problem

[iron pond]

I’m happy

[proud holly]

Thats not completely true until true testing the adjusted a little tha angle but I think we might have to still melee.

[harsh igloo]

Let’s see tmrw

[iron pond]

Im still going to use sudden raid for it’s effect tho

[weary cedar]

The 4s piece?

Or the dmg?

[proud holly]

Yeah will have to test because they should of made it completely range instead of just adjusting the angle of the 3 little closer but that ain't making it completely range as we supposed to be .

[iron pond]

Resetting 4s

[weary cedar]

They shoulda made the angle 0 degrees

Just 3 stars ontop of each other

Then we can be ranged for real

[iron pond]

If only they can make 4s track the boss

[weary cedar]

Do you use 4s

[harsh igloo]

No

[weary cedar]

Track boss how? You mean shurrikane?

4s is that dumb thing on ur head

[iron pond]

Oh wait I’m reading that wrong, I was assuming 4 season is shurikain

I’m dumb

[weary cedar]

Yea 4 season useless

[iron pond]

Yeah something I don’t understand from Nexon

Well…sudden raid is now off my skillwheel

[weary cedar]

They didn’t buff 4season then made SR reset it, so SR kinda useless now

It still has the 15s dot tho I guess

Might still be useful for the dmg

[iron pond]

You would think this might be a typo or mistake on their part?

It would make more sense if SR resets shurikain

[normal vector]

SR still nice with the quick cast time

[normal vector]

That’s too OP

Shurikane is V2

[iron pond]

I wouldn’t want to use SR in bossing now, just farming

[harsh igloo]

Ofc useless

The dot is nothing

[proud holly]

Exactly thats my point but let's see how far can we go from boss after the angle change.

I guess we can go as far as the shriken can travel

Maybe

[iron pond]

Like throwing sand in a gun fight

[eternal panther]

Need more buffs

[eternal panther]

yup four season and sudden raid useless

only worth using in training

[proud holly]

Guys I did some tests we basically can attack from far away now

The only thing is the shurikane you will have to be as far as thw shurikane

[tidal halo]

Completely no changes? Not even to ninja animation effect speed increase?

[eternal panther]

still the same

[iron pond]

How did the other patch notes get 4season upgrade???

And we don’t

[rustic ether]

they've got 6th jobs too

[tidal halo]

Truly sad. Guess Possy Jess and SR are dead until the next rebalance

[eternal panther]

I know 6th job increase more damage for four season

but we need more lines

[tidal halo]

It should come with 6th job enhanced hexa throw or wtv that nonsense is called.
but yeah the shadow partners capping at 70% is pretty tragic given our limited main lines

[normal vector]

I like the new range for quad and barrage

[tidal halo]

Anybody tested NLmark on FOG yet? It was previously averaging ~20% lower than the other hits

[eternal panther]

or let shadow partner copy our 5th job skills

[normal vector]

It alrdy copies V2 shuriken

Not V3 tho I think

[tidal halo]

Oh didnt know it copies shurikane. Are you sure it does?

Was under the impression it copied pretty much nothing else except Quad star

[eternal panther]

v2? that's new to me

[graceful salmon]

I don’t think it does…but I’ve never checked in fog before maybe it does

[normal vector]

Check FOG training ground

Wit the lines

[graceful salmon]

I mean I guess omen makes sense, since it’s more of a buff and then a “summoned” or “turret” type of entity maybe shadow partner doesn’t really do that. Just copies attacks used, so maybe it could work on venom burst?

[tidal halo]

wow the new barrage range is superb. We can finally stand at the appropriate spots as range dps.
I dont have a super recent pre-patch Omen / shurikkane FOG stats for direct comparison but I think the update increased omen by 300ish lines, shurrikane by about 50 lines?

[normal vector]

Yea the barrage range is nice

[tidal halo]

but for real though.. no clue what the devs are thinking with the bottom row throwing stars - shouldve properly adjusted the bottom line upwards as well.
Makes 0 sense for them to think something is going to exist below and beyond their designated "floor".

[harsh igloo]

At this distance u still hit all garage attacks?

[rustic ether]

@eternal panther dont need preset if theyre just making us put in all the skills now LOL

[eternal panther]

Exactly

[normal vector]

Guys, I know we been taking a dump on FS and SR being useless… but i tried putting it into preset. FS > SR.. and it seems like a faster animation. It does FS, SR, FS

Idk if it’s just me or it seems smoother when it does FS > SR > FS

[tidal halo]

Does it translate accordingly on FOG?

[normal vector]

Try it and see if u like

[rustic ether]

is that worth dacrificung quad star time for?

[proud holly]

Range is nice but then you have to be close to throw shurikane . Or really far away the distance of the shurikane

They should of made the shurikane follow the boss. Because eto be honest you will still have to be close to completely use shurikane

[normal vector]

Not sure

[rustic ether]

could it work if we disable the skill and let it go as far as it could?

might work on bosses that get pinned at the edge maybe

[proud holly]

I tried it the thw shurikane will ga really far and pass the boss unless you kind If eye measure where the shurikane stops and you stay at that range

But my few tests dmg changed

So the more consistent was stay close

[normal vector]

Could see myself using it when V4 and V1 is on CD 🤔

[proud holly]

Or get close to throw shurikane and jump away or something but you will have to do that every time shurikane is up

[rustic ether]

oh so it doesnt jusy stop at the edge

[proud holly]

Is a fixed range

So you can basically see how far it will go and then stay at that position away but most bosses will move infight

So yeah ill have to stay close for shurikane to work

Because the time it takes for me to get close throw shurikane and go back away takes off dps time

So until they fix shurikane to follow boss in my opinion I will have to stay close range. It sucks

[unborn temple]

finally someone did the test. lmao, i thought its bug on my side that FS magically has 36 lines,

[normal vector]

It should be 72 lines when casted twice. 18x2x2

Shadow partner

[unborn temple]

yeah either way it has more lines than quads even under barrage (22

[normal vector]

Think u gotta compare the same time to cast FS SR FS vs regular QS

[harsh igloo]

Actually looking good

[tidal halo]

wow, I tried a short 10s burst interval and it does show up as superior to just using plain QS (unbuffed)

[eternal panther]

So use four season and sudden raid and four season preset then

[normal vector]

U don’t need to preset FS after SR, it will automatically pop up

I have sudden raid as my last preset slot

[iron pond]

Can we see your preset for bossing?

[normal vector]

Still tinkering it to see what feels better for me

At the moment it’s like this

Boss spawns, activate preset2, drop curse, omen, will skill, and spam preset 1

Any recommendations?

[iron pond]

I still need to figure mine out

[tidal halo]

My preset 2 is same as yours. but I can’t figure out how to fit FS SR FS into preset to make the animation less clunky + need to account for the bad range of FS

[normal vector]

Once the other skills are on CD, FS will pop up after reset

[rustic ether]

has anyone done any bosses after rebalance yet? how did we do in comparison to pre-patch

[normal vector]

Which boss would be ideal to compare? Vhilla?

[rustic ether]

yeaa since thats where we get better teammates ig

[normal vector]

[proud holly]

I will redo some tests on the skills but the one I did was 1 min attacking and with fs and all those skills I got less dmg than just taking out 4S and SR

[main sierra]

Test .

[graceful salmon]

123

[cosmic kestrel]

Begging for help!
I feel like I'm doing way less damage then i should
Here's the latest FOG, would love any tips or if you can showcase how you run fog burst for bosses? and buffs presets?

This is the skillwheet set I do whenever I start a full burst..
Feel like every other character few levels below me with same gear or even less is taking on me.. same as guildies

[rustic ether]

whats ur stats looking like?

[cosmic kestrel]

😢

Feel lost lmfao

[rustic ether]

did u test ur FOG on full buffs?

[cosmic kestrel]

no Ill prob hit max cap on full buff

but isn't everyone measuring without full buffs?

[graceful salmon]

don't test if not full buffed, all decisions are made based on full buff

[rustic ether]

no, we all measure on full buffs

[cosmic kestrel]

OH

srsly?

[rustic ether]

yes

[iron pond]

When you doing any bossing for dps check, why wouldn’t you buff?

I think you have a lot of skills in you’re preset

[rustic ether]

whats ur preset like now?

still undecided on how important sr fs are now

[iron pond]

Still the same, I leave sr and fs off

I also don’t do green poison and will skill

[rustic ether]

im gonna try and see if its worth using sr and fs later

cast time thro2s me of

[tidal halo]

NLmark buff is definitely palpable. Way more consistent and stable now.

And after playing in melee range for so long, playing at range needs some adjusting to 😂

[proud holly]

I did a test but quick without buff . Having 4S and Sr I did almost 9bill more dmg in fog.

But It feels weird for some reason

[rustic ether]

its the cast animation

[proud holly]

One of the test the difference was 3bill

I dont know if thats enough to make a big difference tho

[rustic ether]

what % are those figures for u overall

[proud holly]

Haven't checked. I just saw 300bill in one quick test and 302.9 on another

[iron pond]

P2 at the start when ds4 triggers

P3 at the same time when boss spawns

And just hold down quad

[eternal panther]

[iron pond]

Can someone send me a comparison

[rustic ether]

before and after?

[iron pond]

After

[harsh igloo]

I was sure u are way stronger 👀

[rustic ether]

need your comparison

[harsh igloo]

No comparison

[rustic ether]

are u doing 4s sr 4s

[harsh igloo]

No

4s not even boosted

[rustic ether]

thinj they were saying to use 4s just bc of sr refreshing the cooldown

not sure if thats worth doing yet, gonna test later

[graceful salmon]

I’m so happy I’m not as strong as you and have to do this LMAO

[late wedge]

Hi all

The pins are outdated, so my question: what hypers do u guys use?

All quint

Showdown FD

And what else?

[rustic ether]

same

[late wedge]

I don’t know what is same haha, I am old-NW player now playing Paladin

[rustic ether]

what are you doing in nl forum then LOL

[late wedge]

Making a new bossing alt > NL

[rustic ether]

the pins are still relevant

[late wedge]

Il go look again, next time if someone ask nicely and said he/she searched could u just answer the question? It’s not like I came in and just dropped question without searching.

2 years ago - still relevant lol. “Up to you”

[rustic ether]

thats it

[restive lodge]

Showdown fd is useless since u using FT on pet now if you farming with necro wep

[late wedge]

Ah u use Quint with AB’ing now Saif?

[restive lodge]

Tina knows everything

[late wedge]

Tina plays to much Borderlands

[rustic ether]

false

[late wedge]

Sorry grumpy - not much sleep here due daughter

[rustic ether]

thats ok, but thats literallt it, personally quad star is the only relevant skill there-

showdowns are so you could farm more effciently

the just pick whatever u feel like for the last one

[late wedge]

Thanks

[sturdy grotto]

😂

for now i suggest not add any point to showdown and again the rest 2 point left still up to you

[rustic ether]

i still have them on show down just so i could clear them erda mobs quicker 🤣

[iron pond]

Thanks!

[iron pond]

It’s not about being strong it’s about bursting right and getting the correct line count

[iron pond]

Oh this is a line test no buffs

[harsh igloo]

🐳

[stuck mango]

I’m looking for 2 min line count along with battle analysis results. Please let me know your best number!

[iron pond]

2mins | 16,555 total

I only ran once

[stuck mango]

Which one of ur skill is affected by clone?

[iron pond]

I want to say quad and barrage?

[tidal halo]

This looks pretty poor right? damn still got room for rebalancing

[iron pond]

I think there’s room for improvements but I want to see how others do so I can compare

[tidal halo]

Off the top of my head I think some classes are close to 20k? and that was pre-rebalance I think?

[iron pond]

I saw the line counts of some classes yesterday post patch, the highest is 18kish

Rest is 17kish

We’re in the top 5-6

[eternal panther]

Buff NL

[stuck mango]

I see most classes below 15.5k so far

Your 16.5k isnt adjusted for clone so it’s not real

[iron pond]

So I need to remove shadow partner skill?

If so, how would we count the dmg that it's contributing ?

[stuck mango]

No. I just have to calculate it and reduce line on skill Thats cloned. Just wanna confirm which skill is cloned

[rustic ether]

buff

[eternal panther]

Need more buff

[stuck mango]

Can anyone confirm which skill is clone?

[normal vector]

sheesh look at that cap

[normal vector]

v2

just did omen in fog without shadow partner, confirmed shadow partner doesnt apply to OMEN

[rustic ether]

only quad and barrage yhen? iirc shurikane doesnt either hm

[normal vector]

ur NLM not capping?

[normal vector]

interesting both gave me about 500 lines

thought there was clone on v2

[rustic ether]

need more lines fr

[normal vector]

confirmed no clone on v2

[iron pond]

omen and shurikain are considered summons

[harsh igloo]

It’s not just the amount of line

Also the quality of the lines

Pally got more lines but weaker

[rustic ether]

oh? do they not cap their lines?

[cosmic kestrel]

Those who were here this week when I asked about the dmg ...
Jumped from 2.3b -> 3.6b DPS without buffs on FOG

Readjusted my skill wheel and presets, made some tests
And most importantly, used the hyper reset scrolls to fix incorrect hypers (THANK GOD I FOUND OUT I HAD THAT ISSUE! Could have easily been missed)

That's much more like it 😂

[severe dust]

What hyper did you change? WHat should be the hyper skills now after the sep 25 patch

[harsh igloo]

Nothing he probably had wrong ones

[graceful salmon]

As in you tested again unbuffed? Or tested full buffed this time?

[proud holly]

In the tests I did. Having four season and sudden raid is not worthy. Venom burst either. So the best optimization so far is only having fragility curse for the debuff. If anyone finds better wet up let me know but so far thats it.

[rustic ether]

yeah used them in my recent boss runs, do not have significant effects

[eternal panther]

buff NL

[rustic ether]

buff

[iron pond]

BuffNL

[graceful salmon]

Did they buff curse a lot cuz before NL rarely even had it on their skill wheels

[rustic ether]

was there any changes to curse?

[proud holly]

I dont think it got buff but it seems from my test that fratility curse debuff the boss and in fog you can get about 10bill higher dmg from what I saw in my test

Some night lords dont use fratility but I find is good to debuff.

But 4season and sudden raid are garbage

[graceful salmon]

Yea lots of NL I talk to don’t use it but idk how much they test before taking it off. 10b is a noticeable diff

But dang here we were hopeful four season and sudden raid would be good again

[proud holly]

One test i did it was 265bill and without fratility it was around 256bill

[proud holly]

Yeah absolutely garbage not even 1bill difference in 1 of my test having them on

They need to fix shurikane also to be able to follow the boss. Now it gets me triggered that we can throw stars away from boss but then the shurikane needs to be on top of boss and If you decide to throw normal it will go to the end of f screen and miss on the boss.

[cosmic kestrel]

@severe dust yup. Lmao
Had showdown passives instead of fratility curse, which made a HUGE difference..

Also, changed my skillwheel & burst set *a bit, which also helped nicely

[cosmic kestrel]

My guild and everyone I know who play always compare FOG UNBUFFED, so that's what I did

I hit cap without buffs now on fog anyway so buffs dont really matter for fog?

[harsh igloo]

What are you using now?

[severe dust]

So showdown (used while farming exp) hyper is no longer needed and the hyper points Need to be spend on fratility?

[normal vector]

Vhilla stats

For using FS and SR

[eternal panther]

small difference

[rustic ether]

yes need buff

[eternal panther]

yup massive buff

[severe dust]

If someone can share there skills that would be awesome. 🤩

[rustic ether]

spend the extra points aside from quads on whatever u want babes

[harsh igloo]

Fs and sr not worth it

[cosmic kestrel]

I think once you hit 'endgame' bosses or looking at cap and maximizing damage, showdown is less important.

Check fratility curse passives, it doubles phy dmg red. And made a significant boost for my dmg alone, so I personally think its better

I kick monsters a&& when mobbing, that extra passive on showdown is less important to me

[severe dust]

I never changed the passive hyper before. Def going to do it now. So the best is the phy dmg red and the crit damage red? Or is the cont damage better?

Thanks for sharing.

[cosmic kestrel]

Try it in fig and let me know how it did for you :]
Even before and after if u havent still

Also.. if u use 4S then hitting FC right after the animation of 4S starts cuts the entire delay (iframe of the animation), cuts down on time if timed on all hits during a boss

[severe dust]

With 4S, you mean the Fourseason skill? Does this also make you invincible for damage?

[cosmic kestrel]

No it doesnt

Did u try fog after thr changes?

[severe dust]

Yes I did. It gives more damage now. Thanks for that.

[iron pond]

Am I crazy but did we just got ninja buffed?

[rustic ether]

its from that spread

reduction

and the extra iframe, more time to hit yes

[iron pond]

I just hit a lot higher in ghb with no ds4, buffs, and my burst was off by 3 secs due to timing

[rustic ether]

we did get some lines buff lool

and nlm

[iron pond]

Like I hit an extra 200-300m

I didn’t see the changes after the rebalance

Let me know if you guys noticed it too

[rustic ether]

look at yiur SC too haha

[iron pond]

Omg I just hit a lot higher in GD

NO DS4 or buffs

Something weird is going on

[rustic ether]

more lines and some skill dmg% buffs too that must be it!

[iron pond]

But this change happened in the last recent 12 hrs

After rebalancing

[rustic ether]

oh?

interesting

didnt notice that, my ghb been pretty consistent since patch

[iron pond]

Did you do ghb today?

[rustic ether]

yeah

[iron pond]

Pay close attention tomorrow to see if you notice the increase in dps

[eternal panther]

What did they buff?

[iron pond]

No idea

[harsh igloo]

Post patch

[sudden isle]

Need help with what to add or improve?

[harsh igloo]

Looking good

[rustic ether]

need buff

[sudden isle]

Which one

To start

[rustic ether]

#BuffNL

wdym to start

[tidal halo]

yea a bit sad QS is so low in average damage now...

[rustic ether]

probably aould do more damage just hitting with quad 🥲

[harsh igloo]

Easy to say

Hard on vhilla hard

[rustic ether]

isnt the cast time for 4s quite annoying on hvhilla aha

[harsh igloo]

Indeed

Not usable

[tidal halo]

Wonder if theyll balance QS skill damage in future readjustment. Might help pull up the average which seems to be lagging behind even NLmarks now

[rustic ether]

what about our skillset that makes us so mediocre LOL

[iron pond]

Where is your other set of trios?

[limber knoll]

hello fellow NL

i'm new to NL, anyone here has complete exceel sheet for all the possibilities nodes crafted?
im trying to get boost nodes for Four seasons (main), with its secondary Quad Star and Showdown. is it possible?

[rustic ether]

no

[limber knoll]

cause ive been crafted for so many times, only gotten Four Seasons(main), triple star and showdown..

can share best end vmatrix setup for NL? thank you.

[rustic ether]

youve already got the boost nodes u wanted no?

[rustic ether]

this is a pretty good reference

[limber knoll]

looks nice. will check through. thank you!

[indigo beacon]

why no add spare Trinodes for Dark Flare / Showdown / Sudden Raid with all those open slots available ;>

also makes me wonder which setup u guys use for Forest

[rustic ether]

yeahu can do that too

[proud dove]

I'd add these as last but you can now with the newly added slots, you'll eventually hit a point where you have too many slots and can't add anything more 😂

[rustic ether]

yeah

[indigo beacon]

with 225 i think i already had enough slots for all stuff including full decent buffs

with more slots i will move Trinodes from Enhanced Slots to normal slots and add another Trinode to keep Lv60

then move other skills up the line to enhanced slots ;>

[keen stag]

yeah

[iron pond]

All these slots but no iframe decent skills

[boreal frost]

LOL we have 2 iframes that’s alot

[iron pond]

More can’t hurt….no pun intended

[oak quarry]

Hi guys, I would like you to help me with the perfect NL trinode and how is your vmatrix

[proud holly]

Check the pin messages

[sudden isle]

Help please

[rustic ether]

ba

[hexed pine]

Hello ladies and gents, I scrolled through quite a bit of message and also looked into the pin, but I can’t seem to find the order of levelling hyper stats, just started a brand new new page so I can start dealing some serious dps, tired of the exp page

[late wedge]

U mean hyper stats?

Depends on your gear and if u cap or not

[proud dove]

FD, PDI, MDC & ADI (till lvl 240)
If you already cap, focus on MDC + ADI
If you don't cap, focus on FD + PDI

After lvl 240 you have two options, either BA or Ignore DMG (passive iframe)

[hexed pine]

So fd and physical dmg increase first if I don’t cap

Very easy to understand

[rustic ether]

#BuffNL

[graceful salmon]

remind me if i need to update any of my pins, or please post well formatted and easy to understand info and ping me for pins <3 ty #BuffNL

[iron pond]

#BuffNL

[boreal frost]

Ignore dmg is the way

[iron pond]

I thought ignore dmg is useless ?

[eternal panther]

Buff NL

[proud holly]

The ignore dmg on the hyper page is not the same as ied.

[proud holly]

BA is the way to go

[proud holly]

It is. I wish it could be def ignore that would be nice.

[proud dove]

When did Bergo mention that Ignore DMG = IED?

[proud dove]

At max lvl you have a 25% chance to ignore DMG that you normally should've taken, this prevents many situations where you normally would've died during bossing

[boreal frost]

With that hyper you can ignore any damage, you can get BA from many ways but as NL are paper have 25% chances of survive without using iframes is the best

[rustic ether]

nl needs more damage

[proud holly]

I did not say he said it. I meant that people tend to confused them. But not directly at him

[proud holly]

We got an extra iframe now so I still would go for BA

[rustic ether]

#BuffNL

[eternal panther]

#BuffNL

[keen stag]

#NuffBL

[rustic ether]

BL u say? 👀

[iron pond]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-a-spy-caught-secrets-tell-us-what-you-know-fbi-gif-14536503

[delicate drum]

Any necro claw for sale A2S?

[graceful salmon]

Maybe but this server is not to be used as a marketplace. Take this as an unofficial warning.

[graceful salmon]

Where did you get the confirmation that this applies to all dmg?

[boreal frost]

Doing gloom, Archon, Damien

[delicate drum]

Oops my bad!

[graceful salmon]

is that the one where it says IGNORE? or is that different?

[boreal frost]

Dmg ignore

[graceful salmon]

As in, that’s what it says over the top of your characters head when it triggers?

I don’t use that hyper stat, not high enough level for points to go into anything like that yet so I’ve never seen it

[indigo beacon]

is there a specific Setup i should use for Forest of Erda ? im still with very low dps as my Weap just wont succeed my necro attempts 😬

Showdown feels good vs the low mobs cause im hitting so many at once , but QS is needed for the bigger ones else they take ages to kill for me

[iron pond]

Option 2: Don’t do Erda

[graceful salmon]

You can try putting your burst buffs on pet and add QS on second page of your ab preset for it but usually if you’re too weak, you’re too weak.

[indigo beacon]

for the time being i was keep doing that option2 .. but obviously i wanna lv Up , so looking for ways to make Erda happen if possible ;>

[oak quarry]

tnx ^^

[ebon arrow]

I was gonna go this route, unfortunately doesnt work in vhilla... works in all the other bosses though....

[jagged flicker]

hey guys would like to ask is nl easy to play?

in terms of bossing wise

[rustic ether]

wouldnt say its complicated

[eternal panther]

Need buff

[jagged flicker]

nl or phantom

[storm verge]

Nl easier

Phantom more balanced overall in terms of dpm

Nl front loaded class

[jagged flicker]

yea i feel phan need study more in terms of bossing wise, while nl just straight forward class

[storm verge]

Correct

[jagged flicker]

alright i guess i will be burning nl then

[rustic ether]

its easier to get into teams as phantom