Night Lord

[normal vector]

Mix of exp hp and CD

Don’t have any phy atk to BA

[tidal halo]

Do flames scale to pot's HP or CD?
Seems like it doesn't scale to HP right?

[graceful salmon]

Flat HP & CD% yes

[urban timber]

Im reaching lv200 soon, just wondering if maxing my hyper stats in the wrong sequence.
Currently max: Final dmg + Phy dmg
Next: MDC > ADI > BA

Should I change?

[plucky sundial]

MDC > ADI > FD > PD > BA
For end-game purposes

MDC because when you start capping, it's the only way to increase damage
ADI gives you extra lines, so it's sort of like extra MDC, but MDC is better

FD/PD/BA in that order just helps you to cap
It just depends on your gear whether they're more important than MDC/ADI

If you can't cap without them, then yes, they're better
But I'd still recommend not taking PD/BA before MDC/ADI
FD > MDC > ADI > PD > BA would probably be better future-proof progression

Because you'll need to be 220 to max your 4th hyper stat and 240 to max the 5th
That's gonna take a while

[plucky sundial]

P.S.
Since you already have FD and PD, then yes the next important ones are MDC > ADI > BA

Probably not worth your money to reset

[urban timber]

Understood, thank you!

[urban timber]

My non-buffed stats now, seems like my PD is too high

I was thinking to either reset my PD or just mix add MDC & ADI next from lv200-220 :/

[proper hinge]

guys may i know which weapon best for NL?

[broken pelican]

always jahin

[proper hinge]

alright, so for the emblem is always crit dmg right?

[broken pelican]

wep i would go for CD yes

but i prefer for myself 4:4 emblem rotation

[proper hinge]

what does tht mean ?

4:4?

[broken pelican]

4:4 emblems

4x Ba 4x Cd

[proper hinge]

ahh ok~ got it. thanks

[urban timber]

May I know why?

Im at 5 CD 3 BA now

[broken pelican]

the meta changes alot so 4:4 is for me always best

i had 5:4 and 4:5 too

for me feeled 4:4 always best

[proper hinge]

dang...im at 7 cd..now i need to change them

[urban timber]

Thank you

[plucky sundial]

You don't really have to, the meta switches around and iirc 8CD is actually optimal if you have good enough BA jewels and good potentials on your pendants

[proper hinge]

i see, thx for the info.

[crystal quail]

any strong nl here would be willing to share skill wheel and presets with me? looking to maximize my dps output and trying stuff out

[plucky sundial]

I don't have Four Seasons at 60 because it caps just fine at 50. The only skill with a higher SkillDMG% is Sudden Raid. By my rough calculations, I will continue capping it with 50 boost node up to 39.8m cap.
Sudden Raid is doing 2% of my total damage. Not much, but it is material, and I'd use it even with 0 damage due to cd reduction for Dark Sight. It actually is quite significant, because it caps all its lines. The reason it does so little in aggregate is it has a long cooldown.

I don't have DCO equipped because all my bossing groups have a Pala.

There's probably some optimizations that can be done for SC/GHB, though. Decent Blessing/CO would probably help for SC.

General bossing skill wheel; empty slot is for FairTrade

GHB/Mulung skill wheel
Need Showdown for octopus
Need Showdown's debuff for Floor43

[urban timber]

Showdown debuff?

[plucky sundial]

Enemies hit with Showdown cannot deal touch damage for 10s
I use to dash past the flower

makes fl43 a lot easier

You can stand right on top of the boss

[urban timber]

I didnt even know 🤣 thanks for the tip sir

I am just gonna blatantly copy your skillwheel & nodes placement sir 🫡

I just reached lv200

[urban timber]

I saw another preset is quad + omen + shurrikane

And i was wondering if any of the V skills is viable for mobbing

[plucky sundial]

Ummm, I'd add a few bits of adjustments you can make
You can save a Vmatrix slot if you give up Showdown/DarkFlare

You can have
QS/Mark/4Season
Mark/QS/SuddenRaid
SuddenRaid/4Season/Free

The free slot can have showdown
It'll be lower level, but will have no impact on bossing anyways

[urban timber]

Make sense…

Its really hard to decide

[plucky sundial]

I have Omen on for mobbing
I don't bother with Shurrikane, but I know some people use it; but let it fly instead of keeping it in place for mobbing

I'm to lazy to make the toggle when switching to bossing, so I just leave it out

Lastly, VB should be equipped if you can get it up high enough
It's really hard to cap the DOT, but if you can get lv20+ VB, then the IED makes it worth it
The improvement over regular venom is very slight, though, so I wouldn't invest heavily into it

Oh last lastly, the preset is not 100% optimal
Technically, having 4seasons/sudden raid in your preset reduces your dps slightly when barrage is on
So if you wanted to be 100% efficient, you'd have QS by itself on the skillwheel to use when barrage is on; only using 4seasons when Barrage is off and only using sudden raid when DarkSight is on cooldown

I just have it this way because it's very easy to use

[plucky sundial]

The reason I don't do this is I've had Shurrikane miss while doing this (most notably in GHB, where I want to push the boss all the way to the side before using shurrikane)
It probably works ok ~90% of the time, though

[urban timber]

Why only use 4 season when barrage is off? I understand for sudden raid & dark sight because of the cooldown reduction

[plucky sundial]

Because when Barrage is on, Quad Star is stronger than it. When Barrage is off, it is stronger than Quad Star.
I wouldn't worry about it, though.

Barrage only buffs Quad Star.

Something to consider if you're really comfortable with your mechanics, but it's a very minor improvement

[urban timber]

Oh i see! So spam QS when barrage is on for the maximum output during bossing 😆

Is that how it is supposed to be?

[crystal quail]

tyvm , will try this out. never got pass lvl 433 mu lung, showdown debuff was unknown to me, will try it out

that was very precise snd helpful, tyvm

@plucky sundial one last question, do you have this problem where presets don't work in mulung ,ghb, gd ? only one that works for me is my quad preset, the others i have to spam quand to activate

[plucky sundial]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by preset not working.
But I guess the straight answer's no, coz I've never had an issue with presets.

Could you describe the issue more? Maybe we could troubleshoot what's happening.

[crystal quail]

if I enter say gd or mu lung, when i use a preset (ex. frailty curse, dark flare, Pierre mag skill) when I tap the preset, it doesnt activate.
i have to spam QS and quickly press the preset for it to cast

it does it in gd, mulung amd ghb. it works fine for bossing content and sc

[urban timber]

Sorry may i know what is DS4?

[plucky sundial]

That would be Defense Smash 4, a special node

Special Nodes are a type of node that expire in 1 week
You can either get one from opening nodestones, or you can craft them
You can also only equip one at a time

Defense Smash 4, specifically, is the BiS special node for bosses with defense
It gives Defense Ignore, which is a damage boost that can increase your MDC against bosses with defense
Against Lotus, it's about a 15% increase with 50% uptime

[plucky sundial]

I'm not sure what the issue is, but if I had to guess, it's because of Auto-Battle, since you seem to have trouble only in content where you can turn AB on

Maybe try turning AB off?

[urban timber]

Thank u sir

[plucky sundial]

Oh, one thing to note
The 1 week expiry means it disappears in 1 week after crafting/opening
But you can extract it within the week to refund 20 shards, so don't forget to do that
It's not much, but it's something

[crystal quail]

you were correct sir

[urban timber]

Thanks for the tip!!

[sturdy grotto]

Guys i have some question.

Is yellow jewel can prevent us from lotus kbk ?

[hallow jasper]

How do I change the stars I’m using? I’m MS PC you can buy different stars, but in this game I’m lvl 120 and can’t figure out how to change the basic star

Also, anyone have AB wheel for Night Lord pre-200?

[sturdy grotto]

You can’t

[finite mesa]

Hi, I’m a f2p NL trying to increase my BA. Are there any sources of BA that I’m missing? Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Current BA :
Dark serenity - 15%
4x BA von bon souls - 11.2%
2x lvl4 BA emblems - 14% (working on 3~4BA +13~23%)
DSI - 9%
LSW Sharenian ability lvl5 - 6% (stagnant)
Top & bottom set bonus - 2%
7/7 boss set - 5%
3/6 commander set - 2% (not progressing at the moment)
S rank BA Jewels - 6.5% (SS jewels work in progress)
Legion - 3% + 6.5% (max values unknown but reached current limit of heroic rank)
Link skill - 6% (remaining 8% not in progress at the moment)
M label - 10% (work in progress 1/5)

Current total : 86.2%
Current achievable total : 121.2~131.2%++

Other sources
M pet - 3% (not in consideration)
Pony - 10% (not in consideration)
Upgrade to 4x BA lotus souls - +5.8% (not progressing at the moment)
Hyper stat - 20% (23 levels away)

[graceful salmon]

Potentials

[hallow jasper]

Still looking for this

[sturdy grotto]

Showdown & Sudden raid & Four season

order is up to you

[hallow jasper]

Is that it? lol

I guess NL is good bossing not AB?

I didn’t realize the order on wheel matters

[sturdy grotto]

Yeah but after explorer remaster update NL mobbing is much better

[hallow jasper]

Is that through four season?

[sturdy grotto]

I think it because a new showndown

atk range of it is very far and wide

plus high skill dmg %

[granite whale]

it reduces it but not completely

[sturdy grotto]

Ty 🙏

[crystal totem]

Showdown revamp + v3 pretty decent for mobbing now too.
Not the best in the game at mobbing but definitely not bottom of the bucket mobbers anymore.

[plucky sundial]

The last little bit missing from this is Title.
The one you get from completing RA/Commander monster collection. It's a few%.

[hazy stirrup]

Anyone kind enough to share their bossing and auto battle presets ? After 200

[urban timber]

@hazy stirrup

[finite mesa]

Oh yea nice! I do have the RA one. Looks like I just have slowly and steadily work on BA with what I currently have. Thanks a bunch!

[mighty parrot]

What’s dsi?

[mighty parrot]

Notice you also don’t use venom burst, not worth a node slot in your opinion?

[plucky sundial]

DSI is Decent Speed Infusion

Venom Burst's DOT is weaker than NL's passive Toxic Venom. It's not worth using until you can cap it and IED makes it better. It varies depending on your stat, but should happen at level20+ at least. Hence, not worth equipping before then.

Same thing happens with DB, after some testing. Having VB lowers dps.

It's only good for classes like Phantom, that doesn't innately have Venom.

[graceful salmon]

Decent Speed Infusion* haha

[drifting latch]

Actually DSI is Decent speed infusion. DSE would be sharp eyes

[plucky sundial]

Oh my brain was short circuiting when I answered that hahahahaha

[graceful salmon]

Bahahaha! I do it all the time

[mighty parrot]

Gotcha, thanks for the insight!

[finite mesa]

Based on my current buffed stats. How far away am I from capping all my non shadow partner lines in content like Hra and Cra? I’m doing on average 4-7+m damage per line with maybe 1/30 lines hitting cap. Picture below is my damage without barrage activated.

[crystal totem]

Is your perfect trio (Quad Star, assassin mark, four season) level 60?

Would also help if you used 50% PA and 50% BA buffs

[finite mesa]

My nodes aren’t maxed but quad star and A. mark are lvl60.

[finite mesa]

I usually only buff tang yoon and chick when I’m doing hra but for the purpose of this question I decided to go with 3020. 503020 would put me in 5~8m+ damage per line in Hra/Cra. Number of capped lines maybe increased to 3/20~30lines? I’m not too sure about that

[crystal quail]

whst are your stats only self buffs

[plucky sundial]

Non-Shadow Partner isn't saying much as our smalles lines are from Barrage and Night Lord's Mark.

But based on those stats, I think you should be able to cap Quad Star, Four Seasons and Sudden Raid's non-clone lines.

You could check your Battle Analysis to check for sure, though.

If your max DMG column is equal to MDC, it means you're capping the big lines
If the Min DMG column is equal to MDC, it means you're capping clone lines without temporary buffs

For anything in-between, you'll want to go to Fog Training Ground for controlled experiments

[plucky sundial]

It does look like you're not capping anything, but I'm not completely sure why...
Some rough math shows you should be capping non-clone lines

Also, just fyi, shurrikane is better than omen at lower levels
You might want to switch your vskills around if you're lacking slots

[finite mesa]

Lowest numbers are clean
Mid mumbers are with self buff
Highest numbers are with self buff + 503020 buff without boss rush

[finite mesa]

I do hit cap but I reckon I’m not even capping a quarter of my non clone lines. My stats aren’t that great but I didn’t think it was that bad that I couldn’t cap in Hra either.

Fog training boss level 250, 0% def, Barrage unused, fully buffed with all self buffs active.

Same conditions but this time with Barrage activated

[finite mesa]

Yea, majority of my lines are in the 3-5m range though I believe those are supposed to be clone lines, it looked as if at least over 75% of my lines hit that much.

Thanks! I see! Shurrikane isn’t that useful for me, I tend to set it in a preset with quad but due to the fact that I’m always bossing with people far stronger than me, I’m never the one pinning the boss down and end up just missing shurrikane majority of the time I do use it so I just use omen because the homing function is convenient haha

[plucky sundial]

With those stats, you're probably capping exactly 0 clone lines. But that's expected. NL has a slow gradual curve for capping small lines. They're pretty hard to cap.

[plucky sundial]

Don't test against 250
Test against 200 or 210. It's a better representation of your actual damage.
No boss currently is lv250.

[plucky sundial]

Ya you do see a smattering of 10m+ even on this. You're definitely capping main lines. The dmg reduction on lv250 is disgustingly high.

[finite mesa]

Indeed. My main concern is how far away am I from capping all my non clone lines in hra. I beginning to feel my limits as a mostly f2p player

[finite mesa]

Oh I was unaware of that. Someone told me to always test against 250 and I just blindly took that advise. 200- 210 should be the sweet spot for testing then?

[plucky sundial]

My own testing had matching damage against Ark with a Lv201 statue.
But most I know test either against 200 or 210.

[finite mesa]

I believe I’m capping some main lines but I don’t think it’s close to all of them. I reckon i need another 3k~5k PA and 30% more BA and CD to cap every main line in hra

[finite mesa]

I see, that’s really good info to know. Thanks a bunch!

[plucky sundial]

Yeah. A majority of our lines come from clone + barrage.

[plush locust]

are you using hp potentials on hat/belt? your patk inc looks lower than I'd expect

like half as low

[finite mesa]

Hmmmm I’ve always assumed that when barrage is down,at least half our lines should cap if we have enough stats. Barrage is calculated differently at 25% right? I noticed when barrage is up my overall damage goes down

[finite mesa]

My potentials aren’t very good at the moment, I’m still slowly rolling them. All of them are single line PA, CD, HP or MP accompanied with 1 or 2 other trash stats

[plucky sundial]

This is the approximate damage ratio vs. Quad Star

QuadStar (Clone) 35%
QuadStar (Barrage) 25%
Night Lord's Mark 33%
Four Season (Main) 121%
Four Season (Clone) 42%
Sudden Raid (Main) 140%
Sudden Raid (Clone) 49%
ADI 29%
Bleed Dart 56%
Toxic Venom 46%

It changes depending on your BA%, but should still be approximately equal to these

This assumes QS, Mark at 60 while Four Season and Sudden Raid are at 50 boost node

Barrage will be the last thing you cap by a long shot

If you cap up to Four Seasons (Clone), that's about 60% cap

So you're right, about half our lines cap
But not when barrage is down, but overall

Barrage always increases damage. It adds extra lines and takes nothing away.
If your dps drops, it's probably because Bleed Dart ran out and you're not using it with Barrage or something like that.

[sturdy grotto]

🥹

[finite mesa]

Wow so detailed.

Is sudden raid a must have? I mainly only use pierre, omen and four seasons in a preset with quad. Sudden raid is about 2% of total damage during fog training but I reckon that’s because the cooldown time is long

[finite mesa]

How much BA unbuffed do you think would be ideal for NLs?

[finite mesa]

Oh i meant to say I noticed my overall damage per line goes down a bitwhile barrage is up. The extra lines definitely double my total damage for sure.
Hmmmm I need to do some testing to confirm it but you are probably right. Do you manually cast bleed dart or just leave it on pets?

[finite mesa]

I see… We can still cap even if we keep sudden raid and four seasons at level50, I may have to start looking for perfect trios so I can invest my vmatrix points else where.

[plucky sundial]

Sudden Raid is decent lines per cast, coz it has a DOT component and is really easy to cap
But that aside, you should probably use it for the Dark Sight cd reduction

[plucky sundial]

This... no real answer, as it depends
Some will have higher or lower BA even when fully built based on:
Emblems
Pendant Potential (BA vs PD)
Jewels
Soul (FD vs. BA)

Particularly, you'll want more BA if you have a lot of PA to BA flames.
But FD is still better than BA for soul even with lots of BA flames.
So it varies, and there's no real "optimal" BA.

The only thing I can say w.r.t. this is for most NLs, more CD emblems is probably better at the current state of the game.

[plucky sundial]

Oh ya
The lines count as the same source in Battle Analysis, so you'll see a lot smaller lines, but higher overall damage. When you start capping more stuff, Barrage should be giving you about a 67% dps boost.

[plucky sundial]

Yep. They're pretty easy to cap, given their enormous skill dmg%.
I've capped Four Seasons well before I finished my perfect trios, which is why my perfect trio is QS/Mark/Showdown instead of QS/Mark/FS
You should probably still aim for QS/Mark/FS if possible, though. Helps in content with ridiculously high defense (SC, Fort, ...)

[finite mesa]

Oh I didn’t know about the dark sight cooldown reduction! That’ll shaves off at least 30-40 seconds from DS cool down

[finite mesa]

I see, for a very very low budget mostly f2p player like me I think it’ll be better to max out my BA as much a possible since I wont be able to focus on stats like FD and phy dmg as much. Just exalting mythics are already tough enough as is hahaha

Most of my Flames are PA scaled to hp/mp/exp at the moment. I’ll probably aim for mostly single line PA/CD scaled to HP and BA flames since hat and glove doesn’t have the option to scale to hp.

Soul wise FD is out if the question. I’ll be sticking to radiant souls for a long time.

I reckon BA jewels will be more important for me than PDI jewels in the long run if I fake flames into consideration.

Emblem wise, I’m aiming for 3BA & 5CD at the moment . More CD is more ideal for clone lines to cap better I assume? I’m guessing that you are using 8CD?

Do you think a rebalance where quad goes back to 400% dmg will ever happen? Or an increase to shadow partner + A. Mark dmg % and/or lines.

[finite mesa]

I really need to redo my boostnodes then. I’m already using one trio with QS, mark & Showdown so I to get another one with Showdown or mark base then.

I’ll take that into consideration as well but SC and fort aren’t really high priorities for me so I think I’ll be satisfied with FS and SR at level 50

[oak laurel]

Omg I just got a magnificent Cygnus soul what do I do with it helps

I see on the market it goes for around 100+ million, I was thinking of selling it so I can get a better weapon like an emblem weapon

[crystal totem]

Probably better off to ask here: #msm-game-help

[normal vector]

My min dmg doesn’t equal CAP, means my clone is not capping?

Or is my barrage lines not capping?

I just PR for ark

[eternal panther]

op

[sturdy grotto]

op

[plucky sundial]

Barrage lines are smaller than Clone lines
But the diff is not that big, so if you min dmg is at 5m, you're not capping both

[normal vector]

i would assume i need more BA/phyatk/phydmg to those on ark?

im alrdy at like 500% cd with 30s

[solemn temple]

Isn't a better indicator avg dmg? Cuz ive noticed on hmag at least when ur outside his zone u do tiny dmg. So that puts ur min dmg low but doesnt affect ur avg dmg much

And most lines would be coming from clones so they'd weight the average more. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

And I haven't really done ark yet so idk if he has a similar damage reduction mechanic 🤷‍♂️

[solemn temple]

Ah no maybe not the same thing for ark 🤷‍♂️

[graceful salmon]

just from DEF and curses

[crimson lichen]

Your FDI looks so high. Is that because of last resort, shadow walker and DS? Any advise how to get higher FDI and PHY atk? I struggle to past 37k with lvl 40 weapon

[crystal quail]

yes thats with self buffs and fd hyper i believe

first for higher phy atk, I would say necro. theres no better way honestly. the benefits from fair trade are huge. then the rest come from flames mainly on android, shoulder, toop, bottom , weapon and swep.

[teal wren]

Lv 100 skill wheels for leveling please ?

[graceful salmon]

Showdown lol

[glossy hollow]

What are the skill u guys use to kill@ mob in lotus?

Kept getting stun. 😫. For solo mode

[sturdy grotto]

Try to use sudden raid & four season like i use in my video.

Hope it help ✌️

https://youtu.be/CXKOf4CJSOI?si=RNz_KFgZC-Wyd29P

I have the same problem like you at first but after i try this rotation and it work very well (at least for me yea 😂)

[glossy hollow]

I watch your video before I start.

So I keep four season and use it only when I climbing up stair? Or when new wave of mob coming towards me?

[sturdy grotto]

for me i use it when they coming toward but i think it ok if you use it as soon as it spawn

[glossy hollow]

Let me try again. Manage to go last round, but I need at least 1 more revive at last stage right?

[stuck mango]

Minimum gear needed to survive sf144?

[graceful salmon]

Leg weapon helps, otherwise uniques and maybe a leg outfit for the extra hp/def.

[plucky sundial]

It's clearable without dying at all
The riskiest part for NLs is probably just phase 1 because of our lack of aoe options

The only thing to watch out for is the platform dropping
And make sure you have enough ACP in stock, this will prevent you getting stunned->debris to death

[plucky sundial]

@still fossil

[still fossil]

Anyone got a link to a NL progression guide. I’m lvl 196 and just feel like I did a bunch of stuff wrong

[graceful salmon]

Nothing like that exists to my knowledge. This class forum is probably the best bet haha. Like what kind of wrong stuff?

[hallow jasper]

@still fossil I think the answer is to restart because accoridng to everyone on this forum anything < lvl 200 is early game

[still fossil]

Lmao I’ve spent way to much time on this character to restart.

[still fossil]

I just don’t think I’ve prioritized the right stuff. Wasted way to much money on stupid stuff like hyper stat points, instead of emblem gear and didn’t prioritize getting my SF high enough early on, so now I’m playing catch up to get ancient gear. I use to throw away expedition accessories that I wasn’t using cause I didn’t know I could emblem them 😂. I’ve made a lot of mistake, just wondering what else I missed.

[hallow jasper]

@still fossil Wait — how do you emblem them?

[graceful salmon]

Max sf

[graceful salmon]

Oh those are all common mistakes. Not really a job thing. Yeah it happens, especially if you start spending without asking around first

[hallow jasper]

Max SF = Free emblem? What?

[graceful salmon]

Yeah hyperstats are usually one of the later-on things to invest meso into. First and foremost when starting is sf. You just want more sf, bigger picture wise. How you go about it can vary. Some buy, some make, some use temporary gear, some only work on the gear if it’s meant to stay, etc.

[graceful salmon]

You asked him how to get an emblem on an accessory right? Or did I misunderstand

[hallow jasper]

Yeah oh I see

If you max SF then it gives you emblem automatically?

[graceful salmon]

Yep

[plucky sundial]

I'm gonna clarify that this is only for accessories.

[glossy hollow]

Anyone of u consider rr to Cadena?

[normal vector]

nope

[sturdy grotto]

She is strong but a bit complicated to play 😵‍💫

[normal vector]

What link skills r u guys using

Now that cadena is added and has 4% FD

[plush locust]

wtb more link skill slots ; ;

[snow gale]

Should I go for crit dmg or crit rate hyper stat for nl?

[high igloo]

dmg

[still fossil]

how long does it take yall to level? im 198 and its taking me almost a week per level. my sf is 176.

[brazen spruce]

Get used to it, a week+ per level at 200+

AF90 farming haha

[high igloo]

Get it to at least 180sf and you should level a lot faster. If you can 194 is best but 180 is decent enough that you can hit 200 without doing 1 level per week

[graceful salmon]

^ lv200 should be aimed for seriously when you’re in sf180+ for reasonable timeframes. Otherwise keep the sf grind as the focus

[snow gale]

Is it good to use 3x perfect trio?

So I can get lvl60 faster

Example first base quad second base assassin mark third base showdown is this correct?

Or is 3x perfect trip too much

Thanks for the advices in advance 😊

[graceful salmon]

Yes you can use 3 if you don’t have the slots levels to max with 2

[snow gale]

Ah i see

Thanks

And I can use 1 slot for 4season,sudden raid and dark flare?

So in total I will be using 4 slots for my boost mode is not too much?

[crystal totem]

Bossing:
Quad Star, assassin mark, 4season

Training:
Sudden raid, dark flare, showdown

[snow gale]

Oooo

4 season is for bossing as well?

Alright thanks for the guide I just reach 200 😊

So still kinda new to these nodes stuff thanks

Just want to confirm the best way to get nodestone is to farm them correct?

On af maps

[glossy hollow]

Best way to buy them

Farm them at lvl 200 is very very slow

[snow gale]

Alright thanks

I did try to use 4season in my preset for bossing I notice there is a very slight delay while casting it

Is it necessary to use 4season for bossing? Or is it optional?

I bought a little nodestones but they are pretty expensive haha

[broken pelican]

yeah showdown u wont use for bosses only for Multi GHB and some stages in Dojo. With Barrage (V1) your Quad will get a huge boost for the duration of the V1

[broken pelican]

off barrage safe good boost to ur dmg

[snow gale]

Alright thanks very much for the advice 🙏🏻

[crystal quail]

have you tried mutli ghb with quadstar instead? i feel like quadstar with barrage is better for ghb multi since there's onl'y 3 targets

[high igloo]

Ya qs does more imo than showdown

[plucky sundial]

QS 5 lines + 5 clone + 12 barrage + 4 Mark = 26
Showdown (4 lines + 4 clone)*3 = 24

I use Showdown for Octopus
QS seems to have more lines, BUT they're not practical to cap, as opposed to Showdown
I don't think most people full buff for GHB, or maybe no buff completely, so capping Barrage lines is not feasible
QS Barrage is probably only better for those with less boost nodes on Showdown (my trio with matrix pts is QS/Mark/Showdown)

I actually don't remember if I ever tested it, though

Also, I don't pay much attention to GHB lines, but I've always thought it was 4 targets...?

[broken pelican]

tbh i dont do ghb 🤣

[crystal quail]

i do ghb after ark so i usally cap 99% of my lines but then again, I only have 17.1m cap

[brazen spruce]

What do you use the extracted V skills for after getting rope lift?

Upgrade shruiken or barrage?

For inherit claw fodders, buy 0/3 30/30 mythic empress claws and mastercraft from scratch more worth it vs ready made ancient fodder?

[glossy hollow]

U are saying, u wanna ancient fodder. But will it be cheaper if u buy inherit claw and try to master craft it ya?

I mean it works both way

Because u can’t master craft all the way, there is limitation on your master craft stone

So u need to do both way

[brazen spruce]

Yup, not enough stocks in TS nowadays too. Feels like it’ll take months to stock up

[plucky sundial]

You can craft Decent skills as well (Decent Sharp Eye, Decent Hyper Body, Decent Speed Infusion, ...)
They can also be levelled up (including Rope Lift) for a bit of PA%.

But ya, aside from crafting Decent skills at lv1 for putting in slots, you should use them to craft vskills for exp

[brazen spruce]

Oh yes see sharp eye in some of NL YouTube videos haha

Working on slot expansions, 300m+ for next one

[plucky sundial]

A bit of extra advice on that
DSE/DHB/DSI are the most common ones to use
DCO/DAB/DHS are useful, but situationally, because they do not stack with the party buff versions
They're useful if you don't have the class that gives the buff to you, so despite being better, they're usually unnecessary
DSI also has a party buff version, but Buccs are a lot rarer than Bsp/Pala in bossing groups
They are still useful later on when you have plenty of slots, though, for the passive PA% and for solo content (Sharenian Culvert)

[brazen spruce]

Any optimal number of trios to cap lvl 60 for main skills?

I’ve 5 trios since they’re all lvl 10 or so haha, gets showdown/quad star/4 season to 40

[graceful salmon]

2

Boost node lv25 + vmatrix slot lv5 = lv30
Do that 2x to get your optimal lv60

[brazen spruce]

How much do you guys spend on node stones?

I’ve spent 5b so far (around 300 nodestones), still less than halfway to cap v skills haha

But at least can solo chaos bosses now

[plucky sundial]

5b to halfway maxing even one vskill requires tremendous luck

There's a few ways to go about it

1. Extract all other vskills to level up one vskill ASAP
   -- This used to be mainstream, basically because most vskills we open up isn't for our class; but now we can only open vskills of our own class

2. Level them up as evenly as possible
   -- Most efficient method
   -- Because you want to avoid maxing one vskill faster than the rest. When it's maxed, you end up extracting when you open them while levelling the rest of your vskills
   --- Having a maxed vskill while levelling others is less efficient as vskills cost 150 to craft, but only extract for 40

3. Hybrid: feed what you can, but craft specific
   -- Halfway between the two above, which is basically what most people do, I think

Either way, you'll want to level Boost Nodes to 25 before extracting
Now...
Assuming you have no vskills maxed, the average shard value of a node is 39.50
You need 16500 to max out one vskill
So that's... 417.7 nodes per maxed vskill
Which is ~2506 nodes to max out all vskills

Plus a bit more because you first 3-4 maxed boost nodes won't be extracted, but used, and most people don't level vskills evenly (prioritize key vskills)
But anyhow, nodes cost around 20m in my server, which puts maxing vskill cost at around 14.5b per vskill at max efficiency and average luck

[urban timber]

I have spent about 40b to max 2 v skills & all my trios

[brazen spruce]

Omg 40b

[urban timber]

Trios takes about max 20b to get it to lv25

A tip would be to craft nodes instead of crafting specific skills using your node shards for enhancing

[snow gale]

For emblem is it better to have all crit dmg emblem or half crit and half boss attack?

[graceful salmon]

You wanna base your ratio on your CD% — aim for 400-450% unbuffed. Naturally for us that leans CD heavy so going 4:4 (starting with CD) in the beginning is fine if you’re unsure

[snow gale]

Alright thanks for the tips

[rigid pagoda]

It’s for sell anyone interested?

[still fossil]

Hey guys, I too have just turned 200. Can someone send a pic of their vmatrix. I’m trying to figure out what I need to prioritize as a fresh 200

[graceful salmon]

Without even seeing vmatrix layouts: Boost nodes

Lol start searching for your perfect trios

In that search you’re more than likely to get some vskills now that nodes only give us stuff we can use so by focusing your boost nodes you’ll get the other things you’ll need for starting off naturally

Grats on 200!

[graceful salmon]

RECOMMENDED NIGHT LORD BOOST NODES

Quad Star
Showdown
Assassin’s Mark
Four Seasons
Sudden Raid
Dark Flare

How you divvy them up is entirely up to you and there are varying opinions on how to go about it. The less funds you have, the more beneficial it is to be practical on how you divvy them up; for example having specific trios for specific types of content (I.e bossing/training) helps less funded players since they can focus leveling 2 specific trios for overall boosts in that specific type of content - as opposed to having scattered random perfect trios (easier RNG-wise) where you need to level 3-4 different trios that happen to have the specific skills you’re trying to boost instead of just 2 trios. But in the end it is still all RNG on finding the trio combos you are after.

Common “bossing” trio:

• Quad Star
• Assassin’s Mark
• Four Seasons (I hear some NL’s don’t use it anymore)

Common “training” trio:

• Showdown
• Sudden Raid
• Dark Flare

Misc. Boost Node Info.

• Max boost level is 60

• Max boost node level is 25
• Max vmatrix slot level is 5
• A max level boost node + a max level vmatrix slot provides 30 levels for the trio. You can do this twice to reach 60, or you can get the third perfect trio for that particular combo and level that to 10 to make up for the lack of slot levels required to reach the full 60.

[stuck mango]

How is NL survivability at sf194? Seems like touch dmg is the big thing in sf194 and showdown negate that so NL can survive w just mythic gear?

[graceful salmon]

its on the bad end of the spectrum lol

[stuck mango]

Curious since my NL is surviving sf144 with full unique and lv 135

Sf147*

[kindred lake]

What hyper stats should I be investing in? Necro user, Final Dmg/Phy Dmg/Max Dmg is my current understanding, wondering if CD over Phy Dmg is what I should be doing

[graceful salmon]

CD is easily obtainable in many other places, along with having diminishing returns starting early on compared to the standard progression of your other stats (around 400-450% CD)

ADI and BA would both come before CD

[kindred lake]

Gotcha Ty - I’m (non-improved) BA emblem heavy if that changes anything (50% BA, 288% CD)

[graceful salmon]

I see I see. I recommend ADI next after FD> PD> MDC

[eternal panther]

No NL buffs this update

[potent heath]

Its considered a buff if nexon didnt nerf NL further.

[tight flicker]

so rood of them

[graceful salmon]

[snow gale]

Is it ok to get all emblem crit dmg and all enchanted soul boss atk?

Or is it better to just use emblem and enchanted soul all crit damage?

[graceful salmon]

Some people do full CD emblems, despite the diminishing returns. As long as you get your CD around 400-450% then you will be better off going for other stats.

No, definitely not. Souls are either going to be EXP, BA or FD. Which route you should choose will depend on both your flames and your budget.

[normal vector]

How to get PD souls? Is that from mag souls?

[graceful salmon]

Oh oops, when I typed PD I thought of gems

[dense cradle]

Last resort/DS4 for bosses?

[high igloo]

Ds4 for lotus ark, last resort for the rest

[dense cradle]

First v skill to max? (crafting included)

[kindred lake]

Barrage

[rigid pagoda]

What hyper skills do you use?

[high igloo]

Yes

[graceful salmon]

Depends where you are in progression. If you’re still fairly weak and/or leveling to 200:

Showdown Extra Strike
Showdown Reinforce
Quad Star 3x

I’m still unsure on the actual best bossing hyper skill passives since I haven’t done a deep dive on the comparison between the revamped frailty curse options, but I currently use:

Quad Star 3x
Frailty Curse Additional Attack
Frailty Curse Bountiful Enhance

[rigid pagoda]

Thanks for the respond 🙏

[umbral fox]

Hey I’m new here and this has probably been asked many times but where is the V matrix guide for NL? Or do I follow the PC discord guide ?

Also I can’t seem to find any unique CD emblèmes claws on the market ever

[graceful salmon]

here are the boost nodes, at least. top 3 are labeled as bossing, bottom 3 are labeled as training

[umbral fox]

Yeah I actually scrolled up and saw these thanks. Was wondering about the rest. Thanks tho

[graceful salmon]

if you mean vskills, you'll want all at lv1 eventually. except venom burst - that one is arguably not worth it for us. barrage is the most important one to get first

[tight flicker]

ur guide here #1059991474357424148 message

has four seasons instead of sudden raid for bossing trio

which one is better?

[graceful salmon]

Four seasons tends to do more dmg, I’d take four seasons for bossing. But it’s really up to you haha

Ideally you have all 6

[nimble ruin]

I see a lot of top nl in Asia using cr weapon is that only beneficial for whales? Is cd best?

[graceful salmon]

do you mean necro claws? and yes jaihin base/CD is best.

[kindred lake]

And what would be a good cd/ba emblem ration on gear right now i am 6/8 on cd and i dont think full cd is that good

Ratio*

[high igloo]

full cd is fine

cd boosts the clone dmg by alot so its not like other classes that dont have clones

BA is just a good alternate for if you cant find a cd

[kindred lake]

Oh thank you for the reply

Now i need to finally find a good claw…

[mystic wadi]

I am all unique gear, yellow. I am lvl 177. Trying to figure out what progression path I should shoot for. Anyone got any guidance on what I should go after. I am doing the usual daily and boss raids.

[graceful salmon]

CD heavy is ideal. However full CD has diminishing returns once the rest of your gear that provides CD catches up. You want to hover your CD around 400-450% unbuffed and then dump the rest into other stats.

Asking around for items+availability in-game would need you to also include your region and server, since gmsm encompasses 3 regions and all of their respective servers. But also, we don’t allow frequent trade/market related inquiries in this server so try to avoid posting around too much to be safe! Good luck with the search

[graceful salmon]

This early on you’re still pushing for sf and levels. Posting your inventory screen helps people give specific advice as well! :)

[mystic wadi]

Got it thank you. I will get a proper screen shot going. I been fusing to get my gear up.

[mystic wadi]

Now pictures added. Side not I am currently chasing after meso so I can try to build more starforce reliably since it feels like 5 lower my star force and the 6th raises it. I included a general image of my level, and hyper stats. I realized I miss remembered my level. I am lvl 179.

[graceful salmon]

For now, I would only spend meso on hyper stats if you have a decent discount coupon for it.
For your gear, so far so good! Just gotta push your armor to sf18 then start fusing them up. Your next milestone is sf168. And as a heads up, we usually need to be at least full mythic to survive in there unless your damage is very good. Cra top/bottom helps reach sf168 after you’re nearing full mythic. Continue working on your boss 7set. Already being in sf144 means you’re in a good spot to just save up for upgrades or work on alts that will help increase your flow of income

[mystic wadi]

Note: please clarify on "cra top/bottom" would thst be crit rate or something? What do you mean by boss 7 set?

[graceful salmon]

Wdym?

[mystic wadi]

"Cra top bottom helps reach sf168"

[graceful salmon]

Boss 7set is the set of accessories dropped by expedition bosses that are included in the boss set bonus list when you view the item

[mystic wadi]

Ohh ok got ya yeah I been aiming to farm them.

[graceful salmon]

Oh I think I understand what you mean. Cra = chaos root abyss

[mystic wadi]

G9t ya

[graceful salmon]

You can either get carried by friends/guildies for the pieces to exchange in the ra shop for the equips or you can purchase off of the TS

[mystic wadi]

Oh ok

Next question, if I hit 18 across the board. And mythic raise I will drop down to 136 total minimal. So woukdnt it be better if I got my star force higher before mythical.

[graceful salmon]

If you have a large amount of funding you can sf your uniques past 18sf, but it’s extremely costly. In the billions on avg.

[kindred lake]

Thank you sheepey for your replay and i will see how i will continue to build me character

My*

[mystic wadi]

That is fair on cost. I feel like it will take forever to get about eto 144. It was hell to 133 and now I got lucky on 144

[graceful salmon]

Best of luck!

[graceful salmon]

Yea sf is a grind for sure. You can pick from pouring meso into going above 18sf while still unique to increase your resulting sf after fusing or you can fuse up and wait for free sf protection scrolls+wards to make attempts at sf slowlyyyy

Sometimes you can find cheap mythics with sf on it in TS. People will sell their non-emblem mythics after replacing it with an emblem. Chances are they sf’ed it up themselves and didn’t need it anymore/wanted meso instead of cutting it to an alt. Might be worth it to you! Might not haha

[mystic wadi]

May just save uo the meso and watch the market. Going to test 144 and see how well I hold in it.

[graceful salmon]

Good luck! :) Long journey ahead~

[dense cradle]

diffrence between lvl 19 / 20 barrage is only 1 sec buff duration?! if so should i even bother lvl it ?

[sturdy grotto]

you can stop lvl it here for a while then start lvling another v skill

mine recommended - try to max out V3 dark lord omen ASAP its too good especially in commander lotus phase 1 (its too OP)

but if you have plenty of resource to lvling all of them then “lets go!!!”

[graceful salmon]

it's all just duration increases on barrage haha. level it if you do longer duration bosses, otherwise you're better off levelng shurrikane first

omen is good too

[broken pelican]

max lev is 30 and every sec Barrage is a better sec

[sturdy grotto]

lvl 22 - 25 each lvl need 7-8 pieces of skill node to lvl its

i understand why you think its not worth 😂

☠️☠️

[broken pelican]

imagine you maxed decent nodes to

[sturdy grotto]

[graceful salmon]

BALLIN

maxed rope lift

[broken pelican]

thats flex on other level if you max out a decent node u need to af

[graceful salmon]

💯

[sturdy grotto]

my ex guildmate has done it already 😂

he is a super big whales

[broken pelican]

[graceful salmon]

LOL can you get me a ss of it one day. i think it's so funny seeing ppls reactions to stuff like that

[broken pelican]

it excites me too now to max robe lift

[sturdy grotto]

as you wish sir 🫡

[graceful salmon]

you maniac HAHAHA

[graceful salmon]

ALPHA THE GOATTTT

that was so fast looool

tysm bro

[broken pelican]

[graceful salmon]

you can tell it's a whale when it's all maxed and they just need levels

[broken pelican]

[graceful salmon]

insaneeee

[sturdy grotto]

Actually he is a brand new player he just start playing MSM last month

this SS he shared to me last week and now i heard that he start to make all his absolab to lvl 60

this guy is so rushing

[graceful salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[azure gyro]

Hey, is there a recommended jewels type (S+) for bossing as a NL? Exp with matching flames? PHY DMG to balance damage formula? or BA?

[plucky sundial]

Early, EXP
Later on, BA or PD
You will switch to BA/PD when you start completing boss accessory sets

[jovial anchor]

What equipment/level did you need to survive 144?

[graceful salmon]

Sf144 has been nerfed since many of the active NL’s have been there haha. Generally full uniques with a leg outfit and leg weapon is enough once you’re above lv155. We are considered a squishy class so if you still struggle with that setup then more levels or another leg hp equip will help (outfit/hat/gloves/shoes). If you can afford a better weapon then that also helps

We used to need a lot of mythics just to survive back then 💀

[mystic wadi]

Big thanks, I am nearing that point myself. Getting enough extra star force to pad my losses from fusing into legendary

[graceful salmon]

Nice! Keep on keepin onnn~

[left gale]

what shd i invest my hyperstats on

[dense cradle]

FD - PHY DMG - ADD DMG - MAX DMG

[left gale]

Thanks

Are we 5 cd 2 ba?

[dense cradle]

CD/BA : 4/4 5/3 no matter in my opinion

[left gale]

Okay thanks

[kindred lake]

Currently i have 6/8 cd and no ba atm is it better to have 3 or 4 ba or is 6/2 also good?

And how do i get 400%+ cd when i have only 4 or 5 cd?

[broken pelican]

im 4/4 and i got 450% base CD the time will make it

[graceful salmon]

Max CD emblem gives 20%, if your emblems aren’t maxed yet.

[normal vector]

forever 4 lines

[tidal halo]

Wts this job is really getting trash.
No idea why ppl are still saying NLs are tier 0/1. Doesn't make sense at all.
No burst, no dps, no multi target. Wonder if itll eventually become a doomed class

Also, is it the same for you guys as well - that V3 Omen hits the same/more than total dps done by quad star?
Have recently opened battle analysis and got a shock at how bad quad star, mark of NL, four seasons and venom burst, sudden raid all are.

Doesn't even matter if its single or multi target. Basically quad star/mark of NL gets out dps by omen which lasts 15s every 60s cooldown.
Feels weird to have skills that are constantly in use but still unmatched by a cooldown skill that's only available 1/4 of the time

[graceful salmon]

Only in lotus and that’s because of the way omen works with map mob count. In ark my QS is noticeably better than omen

[tidal halo]

Weird for mine then cuz its the same for magnus, despite magnus being single target. Omen is still better than QS in magnus for my case

[graceful salmon]

oh hmm. that kinda makes sense i think. for magnus you'd spend more time dodging than you would in ark. so i can see why QS usage/output could be lower in that situation. but i agree buff nl

[crystal quail]

but yes, nl isnt that great anymore. v4 will probably help but for the moment, our line count makes us mid tier only. lotus is the only boss that can give us decent dpm because of p1..

[mystic wadi]

I have a equipment question. The dark symbol looks like it should improve everything. But when I equip it, my score drops. I am confused by this. Why does it drop?

[granite whale]

Crit rate has a higher impact on cp than crit dmg but cp is meaningless

[mystic wadi]

Oh I thought that was important

Didn't realize one 2as dmg and the other was rate lol. Which would be better than for me?

As a night lord I mea

[granite whale]

Depends on your stats and what bosses you’re doing, it’ll get replaced with lotus face eventually anyway

[mystic wadi]

Oh ok not sure what lotus face is but cool

[granite whale]

Face drop from lotus

[mystic wadi]

Guess lotus is a boss

[wintry sigil]

Optimal trios/node set up?

[graceful salmon]

#1059991474357424148 message

[normal vector]

No more db?

[wintry sigil]

Nope 😊

[normal vector]

NL more fun?

[wintry sigil]

Oh ya, I love it.

[hidden nebula]

what didnt you like about db btw?

[wintry sigil]

Nothing, it’s my second fav class. I’m a returning player and decided to just stick with my all time fav is all. No hate against db, I just prefer nl a tad more.

[hidden nebula]

aah okk

[regal tusk]

Does Frailty Curse slow lotus laser?

Just curious.

[dry cypress]

Guys any tips for NL hyper skill ?

[kindred lake]

Yes

[regal tusk]

👌

[graceful salmon]

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[still fossil]

Is fafnir claw good? Or terrible.

[graceful salmon]

Not worth

[dense cradle]

depends

its good for an alt character where you want to farm rubi crystals with culvert or smt like that ,
for the long run ( main) i'd say go for a good jahin sith emblem

[dense cradle]

https://youtu.be/eqRpx4-sMxA?si=7qqmFz6UWXC8FFpr

Opinions on our V4 skill ?

[eternal panther]

barrage 2.0

our damage will skyrocket

[graceful salmon]

yep. v4 is what makes us strong

[lament mirage]

Excited for yall

NL will reclaim the title as no 1 bossing class

Prolly NW and Mercedes will still compete with yall for that title

[wintry sigil]

Glad I rr to nl 😊

[tidal halo]

#forever4lines

[mighty parrot]

Any tips for nl soloing ark, so harddddd, keep getting rooted and die

[wintry sigil]

Yes, the most important tip,Pay very close attention!

[graceful salmon]

they are fixing the bugs, we should have it much easier after patch haha. the petrify+frontal attack combo shouldn't be happening anymore as long as it's not in the fixed rotation

[sturdy grotto]

What link skill you guys choose to remove for a lately FD skill ?

CD or BA or ???

Can i have an opinion ?

[dense cradle]

4% BA IS BETTER THAN 4% CD

sry for cap

[sturdy grotto]

After yesterday patch it was so easy if you have enough gears to down him just try it again 👍

the only thing you have to aware is his forward atk

[mighty parrot]

Excited, going to try today!

[dense cradle]

yo guys

any lotus solo guide ?

NL specific

[sturdy grotto]

No cd bleed dart & more fd on barrage !

This will make us great again hope this change came to us too in near future🥹

[eternal panther]

toxin buff omg

[high igloo]

Do you have the link for this?

[sturdy grotto]

sure

wait a minute

[sturdy grotto]

https://forum.nexon.com/maplestorym/board_view?board=1215&thread=2439978

This

[high igloo]

Ty!

[wintry sigil]

This isn’t all that great at all….. quite trash actually.

[high igloo]

I mean the only thing that’s really good is the perma bleeding dart, the v1 skill is better but they nerfed assassins mark for no reason

[wintry sigil]

Ye it’s great until assassins mark was nerfed…. So that was pointless. Barrage wow an extra 30 seconds of uptime in a 10min frame….. how many bosses are under 10mins? Ye absolute trash. I think this hurts us more

[sturdy grotto]

Talking about marks i feel like our marks is already trash 🥹

[wintry sigil]

This is a nerf 😂

Not a buff

[broken pelican]

rip

if they nerf mark again

stupid game

good i moved to reboot

[daring lava]

first quad throw now they take mark... WOW

[lament mirage]

I doubt this is a nerf. Most of these rebalances are always an overall buff rather than nerf.

[lament mirage]

Depends. Lotus runs can take up to 7, 8 minutes depending on your team strength. Damien also takes around 8 to 9 minutes.

Final damage of barrage is increased as well as permanent bleeding dart. Prolly all these rebalances will supercede Mark of Assassin and Night lord adjustment.

The only L i'm probably seeing here are NLs under 200 who are f2p and yet to unlock 5th job. This Kmsm rebalance is a "nerf" for them. Context is important.

[daring lava]

nl keep getting nerfed (quad/mark) and db keep getting buffed.

[tidal halo]

Tbh.. assassin's mark is only 50% skill dmg for us. For it to be 225% > nerfed to 150%, tbh I think we will still feel overpowered.
Can't complain cuz we've never gotten the treatment kmsm gave their NLs

[potent heath]

I use erda nova for lazy single mode ark. Not sure if it helps but it made the clear faster

[graceful salmon]

don't forget that kmsm is a different game

[sturdy grotto]

Sadly i have to agree with this 🥹 it is a fact 😭

[still fossil]

Anyone got a Jahin claw with BA or Crit Dmg laying around they could sell me

[tawdry shell]

I see a lot of presets/wheels post 170/200, but what should I be using to mob with? I feel like I have a ton of stuff on my wheel that may not be the best. Thanks in advance homies. 🤙🏼

[wintry sigil]

I just use showdown, sudden raid and omen for mobbing. That’s just me

[graceful salmon]

Really depends on how fast you’re killing. If a skill is taking more than 2-3 hits to kill you should probably pull it off the wheel so that you don’t risk increasing your chances of dying. Then add them back when you’re stronger

[dense cradle]

YOO my fellow thieves

Any Lotus SOLO guide ? NL specific

I Die so quick from this flying rats !! (16m cap ) + 135k HP

[graceful salmon]

assuming "flying rats" = bombs then you probably won't be able to solo. if you aren't strong enough to showdown the bombs quickly then you might not be able to clear p1. and you definitely don't want to spend all of p1 only using showdown to clear bombs haha

[dense cradle]

exactly. i cant 2/3 shot them with showdown and they're killing me. NO SOLUTION IS NOT A SOLUTION !!!!!!!

[graceful salmon]

it sounds like you need upgrades then, back on the grinddd

[dense cradle]

shoulder 40 cape 38 shoe 34 need new one

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[sturdy grotto]

You have no boost in T2 skill at all 😳

^
^
^
In my case i can cleared solo lotus because of them

[still fossil]

Guys, be honest. Do night lords suck? Should I just give up on this class and reroll into a class nexon likes? 🥲

[graceful salmon]

They don’t suck. There’s just better jobs in the current meta

Over half the jobs in msm are worse than us haha

[still fossil]

Nice. I needed that.

[dense cradle]

do you have 25k to invest?

otherwise RUN

[still fossil]

25k? Good lord

[dense cradle]

short iframe , no stun ,
brust dmg is short ( lets say you go cra ? choose 1 boss to pop up in dmg )

you need to invest x3 money than stupid kinesis to over dmg him

no survivability

[graceful salmon]

that's not true at all

[dense cradle]

one example of many

I can give you an entire list

where's the rr bottom?

[graceful salmon]

the only kinesis i've lost to had better gear than me

[dense cradle]

aran out damaged me 1.5x same gear ich less cap

end game ? sure

mid game / f2p? big no no

[graceful salmon]

you don't compare non-end game unless you know everything they have

nodes play a huge part in dmg

[dense cradle]

yea sure ,

let me double down with more 3k to find out

[graceful salmon]

i'm not saying to spend more i'm trying to help you understand where you aren't understanding

[dense cradle]

im saying , unless you're spending A lot of money , you dont pop up

[graceful salmon]

that's not exclusive to NL

believe it or not, both of the jobs you mentioned (aran and kinesis) suffer from that more than we do

[dense cradle]

I gave more examples

Paladin

fqing bishop

you can argue its fine

[graceful salmon]

bishop is even worse than the first two you mentioned haha. paladin is a top tier job so ofc they have it easier

[dense cradle]

you said youself there're much worse classes , i say there is even more better classes

🤷🏻‍♂️

[graceful salmon]

yeah you can say that. numbers-wise you'd be wrong though. if you're this upset about being a NL you can rr, i just wanted to help keep you from rr'ing for the wrong reasons and possibly regretting. if you feel strongly though, dont let anyone stop you

[dense cradle]

haha lets agree to disagree

for the guy who asked befor ...

yea , go ahead dump it and go get your super paladin. (heres a secret , you can also use it as a support 🤝)

note added :
TBH & fair , I Just came back from vc with friends ,
b2b , evan , dk and aran finished solo lotus infront of me , meanwhile my precious NL died in the first part .

[eternal panther]

#BuffNL

[graceful salmon]

afaik they all mob p1 better than NL so that's not a surprise lol

[dense cradle]

|| afaik|| they all ||mob p1|| better than NL so that's not a surprise lol

[broken pelican]

kinesis is weak

[broken pelican]

we classcanons thats why. DK got like 1min Invisibility. Evan got Teleport which is very OP in Phase 1. Thats all Points you have to take in ur calculations. And my friend who was strongest Lumi EU rr to Kinesis and dropped from rank 1-3 in dmg board to rank 7-9. In Lotus i do double the DMG of Rank 2 but in Chaos Von Bon i get out dmg by a Sair. Not because the Sair is stronger then me because the boss get killed under 30 sec and Sair got one of the highest bursts in the first 15sec. You can compere Classes on a 5min + boss when everyone can use his full potential of burst and skills. in the first min everyone opens all there burst and skills after 1min u gona see who do constantly dmg

[tidal halo]

right now our burst isn't truly a burst anymore. Tbh, DKs burst pretty hard in a few seconds (on top of corsair you mentioned above) + shadowers etc to name a few.

But kinda hoping a buff will come around the same time as Cygnus revamp.
Otherwise good luck to the remaining of us, gonna be painful days ahead as V4 doesn't really save us (looking at current hit count breakdown from Kmsm)

[sturdy grotto]

v4 line testing in 2 minute

NW 3000+
DB 2600+
Shad 1400+
NL just 900+ wth is this

[potent heath]

I think the meta changes every now and then. Yea some is stronger and some not as strong as of current/previous meta. I know for sure NL is not the best class but which class is future proof anyways? I was so glad to be in NL during launch of lotus (phase 1 ftw babeh!)

Im still enjoying this class alot..sure its not the best but its the best i can play at the moment as compare to other class

Another thing worth to mention is to know which game your class excel in. Diff class has a diff yardstick as a measure. For Hra i can get outdmg by a semi necro shadower with much lesser mdc (im having 4x lvl50 absolab) but in a 2min game NL sure surpass waaay more than that.

[tidal halo]

We can wait and see with v4 as it completes the package. Was previously supposed to be one of the better classes but I think in this mobile version we gonna remain somewhere in the mid field. Not the best for solo hits, not good for mobbing too but middle class

[broken pelican]

wtf?

we should get a huge boost from v4

but not on mobile how it looks

so future of nl in mobile dont look that good

if we watch on 6th job

where NL wss one of the loser classes

[tidal halo]

Yeah 6th job is a loser job as well. Waiting for them to release some sort of job change tbh, can't wait to change class within the job itself or smth

[dense cradle]

Another Ice/Lightning less-geared than me finished solo lotus

[dense cradle]

RR to NW 🙂

[tidal halo]

For some reason NW feels way too clunky despite shooting stars like us. Think DB or shadower are more future proof

[normal vector]

this is in KMSM?

anyone can translate?

[normal vector]

so basically every minute is barrage

[kindred lake]

Original source of 960 lines: https://youtu.be/lc-x28e4k7s?t=215

The battle analysis is for 1 min (when v4 buff is up)

There's a passive effect that does damage when the v4 buff is down

So he should run it for 2 mins, not 1

[normal vector]

why 2 minutes?

v4 buff duraiton is 60 sec?

[kindred lake]

There's a passive effect that still works when V4 buff is down

I don't think it makes a huge difference, we're not going to have 2600 lines like DB

But should be above 1k lines

[dense cradle]

Assassin mark hits count?

v4 triggers it i belive

[broken pelican]

nah i dont drink pepsi

[sturdy grotto]

I think its because most of thieves v4 have 2 min cd

[normal vector]

isnt it better to combine all V skills together and test how many lines total within 2 min? instead of comparing v4 to v3 to v2 to v1?

see how many lines we can dish out with all our skills up

[sturdy grotto]

Yea it shoud be like that

[broken pelican]

lets hope for the best

i thought v4 maybe will get me back in the mobile hype

but it looks bad

[fickle bane]

can you solo ark and hmag with your gear? have similar gear so curious since I haven't tried

[dense cradle]

Ye/ , you can try !!

[still fossil]

If I had to rr to another theif, what’s your recommendation? I’m seeing a lot of phantoms. Are they blessed by nexon?

Also NW would be the easiest rr, cause they use all the same gear. But I checked the NW discord and they don’t seem very happy LOL. Kinda bearish in there from what I read.

[normal vector]

probabaly phnatom, more wanted in boss parties

[azure gyro]

@dense cradle decided to RR?

[broken pelican]

new mark in kms

[wintry sigil]

[tidal halo]

Hmm, doesn't sound like it changes much. Feels it works kinda similar to the old marks but with slightly higher skill dmg %

[graceful salmon]

nino do you mean kms as in korea maplestory pc?

compared to us that's more than "slightly" higher skill dmg haha. 50% proc chance and 150% skill dmg is what we have in gmsm atm

[wintry sigil]

I have a feeling this is part of the 6th job patch notes

For pc

[tidal halo]

the one above sent by nino is part of kms test server post 6th job. Skill dmg % is way higher in all server/game types than ours (I.e. region, PC vs mobile). But why can't they make it 5 stars or smth

[broken pelican]

if i got it right its will be a additional throw to our normal makr

[broken pelican]

yes pc version

its for the 6th job

[normal vector]

isnt this what we already have lol?

not much change from current skill

[tidal halo]

It'll be good if it actually works on top of the existing mark. Will be throwing stars galore in that case

[stuck flame]

Is Venom burst worth getting or Shurikane > ° <

Which V Matrix skill is good for NightLord > ~ <

[graceful salmon]

Not until you have everything else maxed. Shurrikane is much better

You ideally want lv1 of all except vb for now. Barrage first, that’s our main burst buff

[stuck flame]

Ohh okie thanks so much ^~^

[still fossil]

Does refining help necro conversion? If true, to what level of refinement is optimal.

[graceful salmon]

Yeah 2% -> 4% doubles your success rate. Lv1

[still fossil]

Any other tips or tricks.

[graceful salmon]

Use lucky scrolls

[still fossil]

Hmm. Still nexon rng stinks. I’ve failed inherit so many times. And the exalts don’t even feel like 50% chance sometimes.

Someone’s gotta have a glitch guaranteed conversion.

To**

[graceful salmon]

Someone once told me a really good tip for that

“Just be lucky”

[full cairn]

what damage link do i go for in order?

between FD/ Phy Dmg/ CD/ Crit rate

[high igloo]

Fd, p dmg, ba, cd

[kindred lake]

Anyone have a vmatrix guide? Not sure which skill nodes to be leveling

[graceful salmon]

Make sure your boost nodes are maxed first

Get one of each at least (if you can fit them)
Max barrage if you’re doing ark+ (altho even ark runs can be short these days)
Shurrikane if not
Then work on the vskill you didn’t max first of the two above ^
Then dark lords omen and the buffs (probably shadow walker before last resort)
You can ignore venom burst until you max everything else. You honestly don’t even need vb if you wanna save yourself the shards

If you’re doing lotus, omen is our bread and butter and you can switch up the order if you want to focus the leveling order around that

[kindred lake]

Thanks! My boost is maxed, deciding what to do with the holiday experience nodes. Do you use hyper body at all?

[graceful salmon]

I used HB back when I first started doing ark since I needed more HP haha. After my first several sessions of exalting my HP items I don’t need it anymore though

[jade crag]

Hello everyone! Semi new night lord here, what emblems should I go for? More BA or CD or just try half cd half ba? Currently got BA weapon and BA shoulders..

And btw for cape what’s better? EVD or CR?

[broken pelican]

i went for 50/50 worked fine for me

[broken pelican]

nowdays i would say EVD

[eternal panther]

No buffs

[night vessel]

What's needed to survive SF144 for night Lord? my NL is lvl 176

[graceful salmon]

you probably need all uniques + at least leg weapon and 1 or 2...maybe 3 leg hp armors

we are squishy...

[night vessel]

Gotcha 😅 Thanks

What are HP armors? 😅

[graceful salmon]

armor that gives hp. in the order of hp amount given:

outfit
hat
glove/shoe

[night vessel]

Ahh, okay. Thank you so much! 😀

[steady bear]

New to all these. What should i focused on?

[graceful salmon]

Craft your vskills first and keep lv1. Barrage first. Then start your journey searching for your perfect boost node trios and max them. You can find a general vmatrix guide in #bot-commands and boost node tips in the pinned posts of this thread. Good luck!

[steady bear]

Whats the vskills that we would need

[graceful salmon]

All but venom burst

[steady bear]

So what i should do now is keep buying nodestones?

[graceful salmon]

However you prefer to acquire them, yea

Some farm, some buy

[full cairn]

are there a gearing progression guide ?? i am new to this game and idk how to get stronger

[steady bear]

Using these for mobbing. Not sure if im doing it right?

[graceful salmon]

I would start here

[graceful salmon]

Looks good!

[full cairn]

awwh crap

i 18'd the wrong weapon 😭

i dont need to go for the set?

[graceful salmon]

It’s okay, the gear type is not really important in this stage. You just want to reach your first milestone of sf144 using uniques!

[full cairn]

okies

what happens at 144SF?

and also where should i farm ? im lvl 142

[burnt flume]

The best sf for leveling in lower levels

and mesos per min

[full cairn]

until then , do i just do the highest SF i can do for now?

[burnt flume]

Wat sf are u

But ideally u want ur character in sf especially for ht so u can get an exp buff to level faster

Ht = hot time

[full cairn]

im at like 103

lvl 142

[burnt flume]

Yea do 80 for rn until ht over

[full cairn]

ok

[burnt flume]

Then try to get to sf 130

Then 144 if u have the mesos

Break uniques.. not leg and above

[full cairn]

i just started the game so

[burnt flume]

Yea probably is gonna be a min thn

[full cairn]

so to get to 18 stars, i should use 19 unique fusing?

[burnt flume]

You would go to forge > star enchantment

Then try to get it to 18 stars

If you break it and its unique quality, aka orange, you can make a scroll for 5m? To restore it back to the unbroken status

And then repeat the process

[full cairn]

so i dont need to make my gear legendary

just keep at unique 18 stars?

[burnt flume]

Eventually u will but mainly try to get to sf 144

These gears aren’t permanent anyways because you need this thing called emblems on them to really do more damage

[graceful salmon]

We are very squishy so you will likely need to tier up your weapon (more dmg) and outfit (more hp) to survive in sf144. But that will be later, as Dakota mentioned

[steady bear]

Is there any one of these that i should focus on now? Since it being lv20/40 gives extra stats

[brazen spruce]

What will be the best stat to work on apart from max dmg? using inherit claw so thinking crit rate %… stats are without buff pots/other class buffs

[graceful salmon]

They will level up passively as you continue to open nodes. I wouldn’t spend shards just to max boost nodes unless you’re on a boss team recruitment deadline or you’re close to maxing one of them already.

Side note, I find it alarming that you don’t have any trash trios 👀 you should be leveling them up before extraction to get more shards out of them

[steady bear]

Oh i just extract them all

Should i extract those venom bursts or level it up?

[graceful salmon]

I would extract all vb.

No worries! We learning everyday here ya go, the yellow rows are the optimal extraction levels for boost nodes as far as efficient shard yield is concerned. Max gives the most but takes the longest to payout

[steady bear]

So i should lv vb to lv5 then extract it?

[graceful salmon]

No that table is for boost nodes only. Extract vskills at lv1

[steady bear]

I see, alright!

[warped raptor]

Any tips to pass stage 43 mu lung?

ya boy needs that emblem change scroll

[graceful salmon]

showdown grants touch dmg invincibility, keep it refreshed everytime or every-other-time you dash to one side (pick left or right and create that rhythm everytime you dash to that side)

as long as you don't get smacked or eat a rose, you will kill

[warped raptor]

Showdown the mobbing skill?

I keep getting smacked

[graceful salmon]

[warped raptor]

Any video demonstrating?

Couldn’t find on YouTube

[graceful salmon]

i can record rn, sec

[warped raptor]

[graceful salmon]

Dojo F43 (Slurpy Tree)

Almost died cuz my preset used an aoe and stopped my dash LOL but the concept is there!

[warped raptor]

What the

The dash doesn’t take touch damage?

[graceful salmon]

it does but showdown negates it as long as you keep the debuff refreshed

[warped raptor]

Do you gotta dash and immediately use SD?

[graceful salmon]

nah it last like 10s i think? i just do it more often so that i'm not cutting it too close

[warped raptor]

Hm gotta test this when I’m buffed

[graceful salmon]

post vid of the clear

lfgggggggggg

[wintry sigil]

I did not know this, this is new to me, thank you! ❤️

[warped raptor]

How did I not know sd has a debuff after all these years

[graceful salmon]

it was added with the remaster!

[steady bear]

What should i do with this? Continue exhalting? Necro attempt? Inherit?

[daring lava]

exalt till lvl 40...refine and then necro

[steady bear]

Man how long to get 150 refinement materials

[wintry sigil]

You can get up to 2 stones per emp run, normal and chaos. It’s 120 stones for weapon

[warped raptor]

I couldn’t do it

I don’t think I know the animations for rose vs smash enough

Sometime I’m in the middle of an attack and the rose pops

[graceful salmon]

Ahhh yeah that might take a couple warm up rounds! If he starts to sink his head downwards he’s gonna spawn a rose on you in a second. If his arm goes up he’s gonna smash forward. Getting the hang of stalling for a moment when his head sinks down will take a little bit to get used to

Wish we could dash without cooldown

[plucky sundial]

Just dash across every single attack for a first clear

Dash across as in dash across his body

Hit him with Showdown once every 10s to disable contact damage

or after every time you dash across him if you want to play it super safe

If you're not going for record time, jumping around more often will help with clearing

When in doubt, jump around

[warped raptor]

yea i guess i just need to switch sides more often rather than trying to fit a bunch of attacks in

[solemn temple]

Correct. Also idk if its just me but sometimes showdown doesn't mark the boss. Maybe if miss

But i usually use showdown 2-3 times

[normal vector]

Does the showdown de buff refresh or u have to wait until the effect is over before u can apply again?

[graceful salmon]

It refreshes

[warped raptor]

I was so close today

[graceful salmon]

Progress vidsssss

[warped raptor]

No video but I did it

W

From the achievement

[solemn temple]

Insane

👏

[graceful salmon]

WOOOWWWWW HAHAHA THAT WAS SO WORTH

LETS GOOOOOOO

[potent heath]

Hmmmm...was late to post on stage 43 but heres a stage44 if someone needs it

[tidal halo]

Oh? So it seems keeping her in the middle is the proper way.
I always end up having to rng the purple pillars of flame + put myself at risk of that wtv that purple OHKO blast

[potent heath]

Still need some luck though. Sometimes the whole floor is filled with them lasers

[solemn temple]

First time 🥹

[prisma quarry]

On the verge of making a new char, would yall reco nw or nl? So torn

[tidal halo]

Shadower is better. But between the 2 you've mentioned, will likely need to reserve comments until cygnus remaster

[prisma quarry]

Fair enough, I heard it’ll be around summer time so I’ll check back in then. Thanks!

How much would you say a mythic cd emblem sf17 pensalir boot is worth?

[warped raptor]

[plucky sundial]

Nice

That clutch miss at the end tho

Butt clenching moment!

[warped raptor]

[graceful salmon]

LETS GOOOOO

[tidal halo]

rekt… I was like shucks at that last second mistake. Would’ve been so disappointing had it ended there with a OHKO

[warped raptor]

Haha has happened before 😂😂

[azure gyro]

Passed 43 for the first time thanks to the vids and tips posted here by you guys ❤️

[graceful salmon]

Grats! And good luck on the scroll! Haha

[prisma quarry]

Can I get a price check on this pls? Na scan

[eternal panther]

[sturdy grotto]

#pleasebuffNL 🙏

[eternal panther]

buff please

[tidal halo]

Wonder if they'll change anything together with the remaster. Hopefully so...

[solemn temple]

At this point just hoping for no more nerfs

[tidal halo]

Tbh, true too...
"quad star skill dmg % reduced from 270 > 220%."
Or.. "quad star skill dmg % improved from 270 > 275%"
Typical nexon trolls

[eternal panther]

they need to bring quad star back to 400% lol

[graceful salmon]

Pls don’t post such horrid words

[tidal halo]

LOLOLOL but for real though...
Not sure what they can do to help balance us out.
They wont increase hit count cuz it just doesn't work for quad star.
I'm not sure higher quad star % is useful as well or not since there's cap. Not sure how things work with IED at 270% vs 400%

[daring lava]

upcoming nerf....mark % reduced to 150%

[tidal halo]

What's our mark % now? Isn't it only like 100% or smth nonsense

[plucky sundial]

150% + 120%FD with maxed boost node

Pretty horrendous considering a fair amount of lines come from Mark

Barrage doubles Mark lines

[graceful salmon]

And is even weaker

[plucky sundial]

so other classes have similarly low skill dmg on their ADI-like skill, but are less affected

and 150% is one of the lowest, but not quite the lowest, I think?

[daring lava]

this

[plucky sundial]

Higher QuadStar% helps with Barrage

[graceful salmon]

400% again pls

[plucky sundial]

If CM reads this, 400% isn't even insta-cap for us
But would make it actually reasonable to cap

50k PA, 3+3, commander set, fully flamed, avg 2max line potentials
Fully buffed (50% buffs where available, Tangyoon, BleedDart, Last Resort and Shadow Walker)
Including party buffs from Bsp, Pala

Barrage quad star should be hitting around 26m

without Bleed Dart, Last Resort and Shadow Walker
22m

[tidal halo]

Barrage and shadow partners have long needed a revamp as well.
Same for our NL mark which is quite tragic.

[graceful salmon]

You’re actually a beast Ronald

[plucky sundial]

Yeah. At least let us cap when we're on Last Resort + Shadow Walker

[plucky sundial]

Not even top3 NL in my server

The best thing going for NL is how smooth and mobile we are (imho)
I helped some friends do Lotus with their characters
Every other character (Lumi, PF, Bsp) felt so chunky compared to NL

Not sure if I'm just too used to NLs animations or it's an actual NL advantage tho

hahaha

[graceful salmon]

I do like the way NL plays as well. If we didn’t have that split second of dash cooldown I would say it’s perfect for me to save my ass when I make positioning mistakes

[sturdy grotto]

^
^
imagine they have make this dash have a littile time of iFrame

it’d be so great 🥹

[tame girder]

That is the default for maple global, which is an excellent short iframe right after dash. Sadly we didn’t get it

We don’t have enough iframe and stun >.<

[high igloo]

Nw is so op after rework

[wintry sigil]

Nah

Maybe mid, from trash to mid

[azure gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/taehyung-bat-boy-taehyung-v-bat-boy-gif-22600312

[solemn temple]

Anyone have any tips for improving GHB multi score? I can hit like 120B on single target but only like 180B on multi

I've tried both showdown and throwing star barrage...

[tidal halo]

#buffNL

[grim escarp]

Hi there 🙂

I'm just restarting MapleM and I main a 204 NL. I'm currently 10mCP and my objective is to be usefull in NRA and manage to clear Hilla/Magnus soon enough but I was wondering is there a chart that exist for like recommended CP for commanders or something like that?

[graceful salmon]

Welcome back! CP is a near irrelevant metric as far as strength goes. Ignore that number. Usually by the time you max your boost nodes and have mostly proper emblem mythic gear you’ll be able to at least meaningfully contribute to all of those. Don’t forget that a lot of strength comes from food buffs. Even simple food buffs like chick and buckwheat (can periodically get for free from dailies) can make noticeable increases in dmg.

[grim escarp]

Ok I see well thanks alot for the information I’ll get to those, would you recommenf spending time farming nodes or its actually more worth my time to farm mesos from alts elite dungeons and buy the nodes?

[graceful salmon]

Node prices are fairly cheap atm, but there’s nothing wrong with doing both!

[eternal panther]

Yea

[fringe glacier]

Fingers crossed NL gets a little rebalance during the KOC remaster.

[graceful salmon]

Same

[fringe glacier]

Need Nexon to throw us a bone.

Time to force the devs with that mod power @graceful salmon

[mystic wadi]

Thanks for the help, I been grinding in 147 lol I am almost completely sf 18 across the board on my gear, and about two mythics/red gear(?) And level 191. The boss drops have been so rough.

[graceful salmon]

Yea I feel you on the boss drop luck. It’s rough sometimes. Took me like a year or so to catch up to everyone else on accessories after I started playing haha.

[mystic wadi]

I been going over a year. I don't have time for boss drops 😦

[graceful salmon]

Dang yeah I had to commit to daily bossing religiously to get my sets done. Now I barely boss cuz I’m on a burnout break LOL. Just lotus once a week and sometimes carrying friends alts or something

[plucky sundial]

Don't use your V2 and V3 at the start, as the boss getting pushed back will make you lose hit count.
Wait until it reaches the edge.

Showdown > QuadStar for multi-target.

Make sure Bleed Dart is available at the start.
If available, make sure Shadow Walker and Last Resort are too.
Also, place down Dark Flare and Frailty Curse (with hit count hyper on FC).

I think I'm hitting 150-160b on ST and 260 on MT. So you may be losing some lines due to misuse of V2/V3, or maybe it's just due to different levels of V2/V3.

But most important to note is... NLs just suck at multi-target, so manage your expectations.

[mystic wadi]

Yeah I got a complete set as needed. With mythic belt now. I gave up getting a complete set.

[frosty wren]

We need to make NL multi target strong again.. we are so weak in GHB.

[graceful salmon]

Wdym “again”? Idt we were ever strong mobbers. If anything we are in the best place we’ve ever been for it post remaster

[potent heath]

Agree with this. Before the remaster NL would get kick out of public af/sf group. Now with the enhanced showdown and v3 we're able to mob more efficiently. Although more lines won't hurt hehehe

[tidal halo]

Side track for a bit - sad how remastered NW's quint star are all >320% skill dmg while ours kept getting nerfed previously to eventual 200ish sigh...

[frosty wren]

Unfortunately that NL, mediocre at best

[eternal panther]

[daring lava]

Quick question should I reroll my nl to nw, is it worth it?
Currently my NL is lvl 211 V skill all lvl 15-18. I do some comparison and the line is not much difference between both of them, except for the survivability of Nw

[plucky sundial]

"Should I cut" depends on too many things for others to give an input to.

But general advice:
Cutting is quite expensive.
NWs are indeed stronger than NLs at this time in general. Probably, but the gulf isn't that massive. Also depends what content you're focusing on.
They have their pros and cons.

Just to name a few:
NWs have better MT for GHB.
NWs have a self-revive mechanic, and DOT resist (for Magnus).
NWs have a longer burst duration (120s) which I think is a bad thing overall. Classes with short bursts are typically better.
NWs have more lines.
NWs cap their lines more easily (our smallest lines are around equivalent I think, but they have less of these as only the weakest of their clones match our barrage; their stronger clones cap easier because PentStar has much higher SkillDMG compared to QuadStar).

NLs get a slightly better iframe (less cd due to Sudden Raid)
NLs get a high jump (useful for Damien)
NLs are Explorers (easy 100% uptime on lv200 CD buff, because Bishops are in every bossing team, basically)
NLs are Explorer Thief (free PA link skill, which isn't great, but better than KOC's CR imho)
NLs are very very good for Lotus.
NLs dash forward (which I think makes it easier to use)
NLs Showdown makes ML fl43 pretty easy (not as easy as classes with long dash, but I imagine NWs have it rougher before their damage gets up there)

In my opinion.
Just pick the one you enjoy more. The difference isn't big enough.

If you want to go for meta...
Both classes are not the right choice.
And I also don't recommend chasing this.
It takes way too long to build a character optimally now (accessories, individual guild skills, levels for arcane force). It's not feasible to cut to the meta class frequently.

[sweet juniper]

NL is such an amazing class; I love it! I have two friends who play it and make it look so strong. Sheep have lots of muscle.

[graceful salmon]

LOL

[sweet juniper]

hi NL friend

you stronk

[normal vector]

with the V skill changing to a 2min CD from 3min, that means we have more burst windows, right?

shorter duration but lower CD on barrage in kmsm

[tidal halo]

for real, there’s such a change incoming?What’s the uptime for V skill then? 45s uptime with 2mins cooldown?

[normal vector]

i think its 1 min uptime w/ 2 min cooldown, so its really 1 min cooldown

[plucky sundial]

That'd be near optimal for Lucid's phase 3

but basically still the same 50% uptime

but yea, generally a good thing

[plucky sundial]

is this confirmed tho?

this'll mess up our buff syncing with Bleed Dart tho

unless they change that too

[solemn temple]

I thought they were changing bleed dart to 100% uptime

[plucky sundial]

That would be a pretty amazing buff

Not game changing, but a nice breath of fresh air
We haven't been buffed in ages... last NL rebalance was during the Explorer remaster, where we were actually nerfed damage-wise in exchange for some utility

[tidal halo]

make us as good as Shad please please please..
Or release job change

[normal vector]

Not sure just following kmsm

[mint marten]

Guys can i you share hyper stat priority ?

[plucky sundial]

If capping
MDC > ADI > FD > PD > BA

[mint marten]

Thanks ! Many ppl told me ADI is later after PD is that true ?

[potent heath]

Guess its only applicable if youre not capping then PD made more sense.

[mint marten]

thank youuu

may i raise one more question, what buff u guys put on pet beside decent from V ?

should i add Bleed Dart , Barrage and Last Resort on Pet ?

and between last resort and dark omen what should I bring to boss

Thank you !

or another decent would give even more dmg lol

[normal vector]

anyone have V4 skill description from asian server or KMSM?

[mint marten]

Hey guys for bossing at lv 210 should I bring all V skills or leave venom ?

[graceful salmon]

I wouldn’t even craft venom burst tbh

[wintry sigil]

Venom super duper op should be your first v skill to max. True story

[plucky sundial]

To be more detailed, NL's basic Toxic Venom's DoT is stronger than the Vskill Venom Burst's
so leave it

The active portion of VB isn't worth the reduction in DoT

[granite whale]

VB has IED and also 15s duration increase from using the active, the skill dmg difference is 25% lower but the duration and IED should more than make up for it

Plus it’s a fast cast

[eternal panther]

So it’s worth to use it

[graceful salmon]

shouldn't need to assume, it can be tested on def% applied dummy. i don't have a maxed or even decently leveled vb so i can't test it. someone can though, otherwise i wouldn't go around recommending it just yet. i was last told that a maxed vb barely beats out passive nl venom, hence leaving it for last on the progression list but i'm unsure how long ago that was tested (pre-ied or not). if that was pre-ied tested then it might work out nicely!

[high igloo]

Maxed out VB on lotus run does about 4.6% of total dmg for me. For reference, shurrikane is about 10% and four seasons is 4% overall dmg.

[burnt flume]

op

[graceful salmon]

Any chance you can pull out vb on your next run and ss what the battle analysis says?

[plucky sundial]

Can't see it this way because it removes Toxic Venom.
The benefit from VB is only the diff from Toxic Venom to VB... which, unless you use the active component, VB should be worse

and it may look like it does more than Toxic Venom due to the active component, but the active component is barely any good (and is worse than QS when Barrage is on)
So you'll end up doing less damage total

This on top of wasting a Vmatrix slot where you could slot in DSE/DSI etc

Maxed VB does have potential to do decently because of Ignore Defense (and you'll probably have more slots by the time you max it out)
But it's lowest of low among Vskill priorities and require significant investment before its low skill dmg% isn't a detriment

and even at its best, you'll barely feel a difference from using it

This was tested with lv26 VB... Toxic Venom > VB unless you are ~90% of the way to capping ADI, then the IED kicks in to push it over VB
Requires a stat distribution heavily weighted toward attack stats (ie. Weapon lv50, but all Armor lv40, so much higher PA:MDC ratio; or you have perfect 3 line pots and mythic flames but never exalt past 40, that kind of thing; not a recommended thing to do)
Upgrading will eventually have your MDC outscale your damaging stats; and you will barely cap those small lines with Bleed Dart/Shadow Walker/Last Resort all active at the same time

Capped numbers are with DS4 active and IED applied

Toxic Venom does ~115 - 117 lines per minute in Fog

[eternal panther]

not worth crafting then

[plucky sundial]

I'd say just level it slowly as you open up nodes

it'll eventually be useful, sort of

hahahaha

but definitely one of the lowest impact vskills

it's really good on Phantom though, since they don't naturally have Venom

Minimal crafting, and don't extract any vskills until maxed -> most efficient but low short-term gains method of maxing vmatrix

Frankly, though, the difference is so slight that run variance will probably be bigger (ie. you won't be able to tell the diff)

The significance of this is just for new players starting to build their vmatrix
Don't waste resources or slots on the thing

[granite whale]

Def the last skill you should work on

But you’ll have space for it when your vmatrix is fully unlocked

[mint marten]

so VB is worth to keep as passive when we have enough slot right ?

im just 211 so i dont think i have enough space for it 😂

[fringe glacier]

Finally maxed barrage and omen, which one is next

[eternal panther]

Shurkine

[fringe glacier]

Thanks Nate

[graceful salmon]

OUTDATED Throwing Star Barrage (Lv25 + Lv30)

OUTDATED Shurrikane (Lv25 + Lv30)

OUTDATED Dark Lord’s Omen (Lv25 + Lv30)

Shadow Walker (Lv25 + Lv30)

Last Resort (Lv25 + Lv30)

[eternal panther]

🐳

[normal vector]

So it’s +30% FD while dark sight is active during shadows walker?

15% and another 15 if dark sight is active?

[graceful salmon]

15+15

[scenic helm]

Hey guys I'm just coming back after a looong break, my main is a Night Lord but I have no idea what skills I should have for auto battling. Can anyone show me what their Night Lord setup is please or what skills I should be upgrading. All my sp has been reset. Also I'm level 181

[plucky sundial]

Showdown
Sudden Raid
Four Season
Shurrikane (vskill)
Omen (vskill)

[normal vector]

So many downvotes for NL

#msm-feedback-qol message

lol

[fringe glacier]

Haters gonna hate

[graceful salmon]

Time to go remove them

Jk LMAO

[eternal panther]

they jealous

[wintry sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-gif-19096123

[plucky sundial]

Really no idea why
I'm matching a Shadower who has 5m mdc less than me in Lucid
and was slightly lower by a DA with also 5m mdc less than me
and against an Evan that's 7m mdc lower... I lost by ~30%

The NL hate is kinda ridiculous

[eternal panther]

we need our v4

[plucky sundial]

Rumor has it our v4 is underwhelming in KMSM vs PC
It's smack dab average in terms of total lines added to our rotation

[eternal panther]

hopefully global is different and they make it stronger

[plucky sundial]

Passively 12lines per 10seconds
Active -12/10s
+12/0.5s for 75 casts of QS
~24/s for ~32.5s
682.5-39
~643.5extra lines

If Shadow Partner adds lines
~1287

So at least a bit better than V3
Best case scenario double V3 lines for NL
With 425% sdmg, that's more than our current highest sdmg; so it'll be easy to cap

But overall not that many lines

and takes quite some time to dish out the full amount, so doesn't work well with ds4

Based on a list compiled by Sephy, we were #30 out of 42 classes in KMSM

for v4 amount of lines

So fingers crossed it's better over here, or well... manage your expectations 😅

[normal vector]

buff time is only 20 seconds at max level? sheesh..

[plucky sundial]

sent the wrong ss my bad

60s buff time
but shouldn't last the whole duration
there's a usage count limit

[normal vector]

ooh i see

make more sense now lol

max lines is 12x75 = 900, is that right?

[plucky sundial]

Yes

It activates every 0.5s when buff is active
When buff isn't active, it's still there but the cd is 10s

It's an additional burst component, which is nice, until I heard NW is getting 3k lines

[normal vector]

does the buff end once max cast has reached?

so that the passive starts kicking in?

or do you have to wait the full 60 seconds before passive kicks in...

[plucky sundial]

Passive kicks in after all used up I think

[lament mirage]

Maybe you could try smth different for Lucid?

https://youtu.be/siUI3yu4g6o?si=_nEbCvCHMJkKvss2

[plucky sundial]

4 NLs in A2Z cleared Lucid
All punching below their mdc

[lament mirage]

I saw in Rubedo’s most recently video

[plucky sundial]

Escanor's MDC is well above Derr

[lament mirage]

The NL so much better

[plucky sundial]

They're my guildies

[lament mirage]

Because he changed the Sancro strategy

[plucky sundial]

But as you can see, Escanor isn't doing much better

[lament mirage]

I think it’s isn’t really a fair comparison for phase 2 since Lucid going off screen due to mini games makes your burst window very unpredictable

Unless you can entrust that your team can maintain the consistency of the trumpet execution

[plucky sundial]

The shorter your burst, the better off you are

For everything because of ds4 and split

But more so for Lucid because of staggered dps windows

We understand why NLs arent doing so hot

[lament mirage]

I noticed NL excel best at phase 1

At least from the video above

Sancro was given to NL

The NL matched the DS

[plucky sundial]

If we time our v3 with mob spawn

We get good lines

But still not amazing

[lament mirage]

Why not you ask your team leader to assign Sancro to you

[plucky sundial]

Particularly because we hit 1 target at a time

Not needed

[lament mirage]

That’s what I’m asking you

[plucky sundial]

I survive just fine
We have a higher mdc NW who takes echo

[lament mirage]

But does NW really need Sancro?

[plucky sundial]

Same thing for both of us

We both dont need it

[lament mirage]

When their remastered skill is supposed to give them plenty of life leech

[plucky sundial]

Bit having it helps with dps uptime

[lament mirage]

So

Why not you get the Sancro